Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 26452839; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:00:53 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #644 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:00:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, TW_AQ,TW_QH autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #644 1. Re: 2D AutoCAD by "Bill Conner" 2. Re: Followspot Boomerang by "Jon Ares" 3. Re: Flaming Arrow by "Storms, Randy" 4. Re: FW: OT: The Redneck Challenge by "Jon Lagerquist" 5. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Herrick Goldman 6. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Greg Bierly 7. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Stephen Litterst 8. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge (way way OT) by Herrick Goldman 9. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Bill Sapsis 10. Re: Flaming Arrow by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Re: Garbled message by CB 12. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: Operatic amplification, redux by CB 14. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Bill Sapsis 15. Pipe grid discussion - archives by Eric Rouse 16. Re: Pipe grid discussion - archives by Mike Katz 17. Re: Pipe grid discussion - archives by Seth Ricahardson 18. Re: Flaming Arrow by Eric Lin 19. Re: Followspot Boomerang by June Abernathy 20. Re: Followspot Boomerang by Steve Bailey 21. Re: Followspot Boomerang by "Occy" 22. Re: Operatic amplification, redux by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge by 24. Re: Followspot Boomerang by 25. Re: Flaming Arrow by Michael Drury *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000b01c612c1$10de9ad0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: 2D AutoCAD Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:59:43 -0600 If you have a version of AutoCAD with Express tools, simply use the "flatten" command. (If you don't have a full version or above, you have no idea what you are missing. The Express Tools alone were worth the cost.) Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901c612d2$0395aa10$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:01:03 -0800 > In the 24 years I've been followspotting, frame 1 has been closest to the > spot-op, > But hell, just MHO and YMMV.... > > Bill Brinsley, > Light Fx, Auckland, New Zealand. > > -----Original Message----- > > I always thought > frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft specifies frame > 1 as furthest from the op. > FWIW, my "standard" is Frame 1 is at the front of the beast. Everywhere I've been in this country, either their 'rangs were already numbered that way, or didn't have a problem with my method. At least the spot ops around the country haven't burned me in effigy, to my knowledge.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Flaming Arrow Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:36 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C0F9 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I imagine a natural, yet flammable substance such as tree pitch might = work in this application. -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- >you can't spill one drop of kerosene on the ground,=20 >much less into a lake. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:14:25 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: OT: The Redneck Challenge Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43BE34F1.22989.1504F27 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: References: <43BDDC58.6070704 [at] dubber.org> I assume that he is your former pal as one is always an Eagle Scout . > Ok my former Eagle scout (Liberal redneck) pal replied with this Jon Lagerquist Eagle 1/22/1974 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:14:41 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No He is a current Pal. But can't you get kicked out of Eagle scouts for um...certain things? :) On 1/6/06 12:14 PM, "Jon Lagerquist" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I assume that he is your former pal as one is always an Eagle Scout > . > >> Ok my former Eagle scout (Liberal redneck) pal replied with this > > Jon Lagerquist > Eagle 1/22/1974 > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3b27547e67a3defe3b3bc98f5e42227d [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:17:13 -0500 > can't you get kicked out of Eagle scouts for > um...certain things? :) I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:22:38 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge In-reply-to: Message-id: <43BEA75E.4070302 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Greg Bierly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> can't you get kicked out of Eagle scouts for >> um...certain things? :) > > > I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:33:13 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge (way way OT) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Just for the record this guy is still an eagle scout and a fine upstanding liberal Tennessean. I wouldn't want to inadvertently smear the name of such a fine homosapien. On 1/6/06 12:22 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Bierly wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> can't you get kicked out of Eagle scouts for >>> um...certain things? :) >> >> >> I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. > > Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:32:16 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/6/06 12:22 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Bierly wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> can't you get kicked out of Eagle scouts for >>> um...certain things? :) >> >> >> I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. > > Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) Swell. Thanks, Steve for loading me up with that image. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <199.4e69a05f.30f00c4f [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:09:19 EST Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In a message dated 06/01/06 00:02:47 GMT Standard Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > Erm, high accuracy may not have been important to the natives who were > trying to annihilate the ne-er to well invaders (read > settlers/cowboys/cavalry etc!) but I suspect that some modicum of an idea of > where an arrow might land in the situation as posted by the OP might just be > useful....!! Flaming arrows were intended as an incendiary weapon against wagons and buildings, probably with thatched roofs. Hitting large targets like these is a very different proposition from hitting people fatally, for which you do need accuracy. The original poster said that they were to be aimed to a lake, which ought to be difficult to miss. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060106121541.00d1d2d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:15:41 From: CB Subject: Re: Garbled message >Guilty. I would like to make an appointment. Please speak slowly so >that I may understand... :-< Those that are beta-testing new technology are obviously excused from normal classes/punishments. Remember, I did say that there are only a few that actually fit my narrow lil' view, but the narrow lil' view allows my a smug, warm feeling of superiority. VBG! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT: The Redneck Challenge Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A8F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > >> I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. > >=20 > > Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) >=20 > Swell. Thanks, Steve for loading me up with that image. I know it's not strictly a rigging tool, but maybe Unka Bill oughtta look into carrying Brain Scrubbers in his catalog forthwith... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060106124300.00cfd920 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:43:00 From: CB Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redux >First, the director IS the boss. OK, he can't abrogate the laws of physics, >nor override the budget, but when he says no, that is usually what he means. >And, conversely, when he says he wants something this way, that's the way it >will be. Yes, Frank, we are all familiar with how things are supposed to work. I was posting what actually happens outside your theatre, in the real world, where I work. While I am absolutely sure that there are directors that know as much about sound as I do, and there are MD's who understand what is going on, what needs to change, and how that happens, I have yet to meet any. I'm not saying that I wouldn't *like* it to work as you describe, I'm saying It just doesn't happen as often as you seem to think that it does. MD's and directors have far too many things to know to also shore up their knowledge of the arcane art of sound. That's why they have me there. I understand the 'mechanics of the bus' if you will, and I know when the bus is being pushed too hard, doesn't have the guts to make the hill, etc. We tend to have a lot of these conversations, i.e., you telling it like it says in the book, me telling like it happens on the deck. I wonder why that is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:39:39 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/6/06 1:24 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>>> I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. >>> >>> Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) >> >> Swell. Thanks, Steve for loading me up with that image. > > I know it's not strictly a rigging tool, but maybe Unka Bill oughtta > look into carrying Brain Scrubbers in his catalog forthwith... Hmmm. Color coordinated with the type of harness you are wearing. Soft, medium or firm depending on the intensity of the image. Safety strap included so you don't drop it from 100ft up. The mind boggles at the possibilities.... Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680601061143r558c09f4o67bb9e663563691a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:43:02 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Pipe grid discussion - archives Lookin for some old info in the archives. Must have been before my Gmail account. Does anyone recall when the discussion came up most recently about hanging pipe grids in black box type spaces? Thanks. -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180601061151r40d6fcc8oeff0a50319ba1a2e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:51:02 -0500 From: Mike Katz Subject: Re: Pipe grid discussion - archives In-Reply-To: References: Eric, I checked my gmail and I have the messages, email me directly with more specifics and i will send you what you want. Mike Lookin for some old info in the archives. Must have been before my > Gmail account. Does anyone recall when the discussion came up most > recently about hanging pipe grids in black box type spaces? Eric Rouse > TD-Penn State University Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Seth Ricahardson Subject: Re: Pipe grid discussion - archives Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:25:38 -0500 On Jan 6, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Eric Rouse wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Lookin for some old info in the archives. Must have been before my > Gmail account. Does anyone recall when the discussion came up most > recently about hanging pipe grids in black box type spaces? http://stagecraft.theprices.net/digest/2005/06_June/ StagecraftDigest-0414_Wed_2005-Jun-01.txt Or ( http://tinyurl.com/ aqhm8 ) http://www.google.com/search? num=100&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&as_qdr=all&q=Pipe+grid+material +site%3Astagecraft.theprices.net%2F&btnG=Search or ( http://tinyurl.com/9c3wr ) Seth Richardson ------------------------------ Message-ID: <914532060601061339h2efd130ds9205b923a092df1 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:39:21 -0600 From: Eric Lin Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References: I may be wrong, but can't something such as olive oil be used? On 1/6/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 06/01/06 00:02:47 GMT Standard Time, > deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > > Erm, high accuracy may not have been important to the natives who were > > trying to annihilate the ne-er to well invaders (read > > settlers/cowboys/cavalry etc!) but I suspect that some modicum of an i= dea > of > > where an arrow might land in the situation as posted by the OP might j= ust > be > > useful....!! > > Flaming arrows were intended as an incendiary weapon against wagons and > buildings, probably with thatched roofs. Hitting large targets like these= is a very > different proposition from hitting people fatally, for which you do need > accuracy. > > The original poster said that they were to be aimed to a lake, which ough= t to > be difficult to miss. > > > Frank Wood > -- -Eric Lin ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060106220139.17872.qmail [at] web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang >I was looking at the USITT Draft Standard for Lighting >Design Graphics. (Nice piece of work BTW) But there was >one thing that I have a question about. I always thought >frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft specifies frame >1 as furthest from the op. Admittedly it's been awhile >since I ran a spot gig- is my memory faulty (well, about this >at any rate) or isn't there a standard and the Draft is trying >to set one. >Color me curious >Bob Well, I run a spot for a living, and I have always had Frame 1 closest to the operator, and have never encountered a situation where it was deliberately set the other way. Is this USITT document online somewhere? Probably a typo, or something not proofread well, rather than a deliberate attempt to set a new standard, but, you never know . . . June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL � Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Followspot Boomerang Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:49:02 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ares [mailto:jonares [at] hevanet.com] FWIW, my "standard" is Frame 1 is at the front of the beast. Everywhere I've been in this country, either their 'rangs were already numbered that way, or didn't have a problem with my method. At least the spot ops around the country haven't burned me in effigy, to my knowledge.... Easy enough to lable, but I've always seen it as 1 towards the rear of fixture. In my mind it seems natural that as the Spot Op looks at the fixture, while standing on the right side of the fixture (from a rear view) which is how most spots are setup to operate, the left handle would naturally be 1, then 2, etc.. reading L to R, rear to front. Never seen a spot - Trouper, Super, Gladiator, assorted Lycians & Altmans, Robert Juliet, etc.. setup any other way. Well, I did run a Hall and Connelly lime arc at the Shea's Buffalo decades ago that had a vertical sliding color changer with a rope and pully that moved the colors up/down. The spot could easily be operated from either side with the colors labled top to bottom 1-6. Wonderful unit. In practice here, the visiting LD either asks whats in the machine and goes with it, writing down "F1=R03, F2=R18, etc... Or spec's whatever they need. The operator can put the color anywhere they want as long as they remember which is 1, 2, etc... Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:12:42 -0800 June, I agree with you I have been running spots for just about 30 years. Yes if you loaded the frames in the opposite order I would have to reverse them. And yes I did come from the carbon arc era, it was hard not have your lamp flicker when doing TV and Film shoots, I listened to the old guys to make sure it didn't happen, now I am the old guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Abernathy" > Well, I run a spot for a living, and I have always had > Frame 1 closest to the operator, and have never > encountered a situation where it was deliberately set > the other way. Is this USITT document online > somewhere? Probably a typo, or something not proofread > well, rather than a deliberate attempt to set a new > standard, but, you never know . . . > > > > June Abernathy > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) > FOH Electrician > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.2ed8d68.30f05f3c [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:03:08 EST Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redux In a message dated 06/01/06 18:48:17 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Yes, Frank, we are all familiar with how things are supposed to work. I > was posting what actually happens outside your theatre, in the real world, > where I work. While I am absolutely sure that there are directors that > know as much about sound as I do, and there are MD's who understand what is > going on, what needs to change, and how that happens, I have yet to meet > any. I'm not saying that I wouldn't *like* it to work as you describe, I'm > saying It just doesn't happen as often as you seem to think that it does. You misunderstand me. The problems to which you refer should have been sorted out at the preliminary stages of the production. When the director asks for technical impossibilities, you need to be right in there, tell him so, and make constructive suggestions. As for MDs, I have nver had to work with one who needed amplified sound of any description. The closest I have come is the thunder FX in "The Magic Flute", and then the director picked them and set the levels. 'What needs to change' is a bold statement, and needs qualified by 'in my opinion', particularly when you presume to override the MD. He's the guy the critics are after; you come way down the list. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1aeed474dc2507f9986a4af692c717ac [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:58:18 -0500 From: Subject: Re: OT: The Redneck Challenge Reply-to: In-Reply-To: References: On 1:24:56 pm 01/06/06 "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see /> > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> I think so, but you don't get stripped of your badges. > > > > > > Unless that's what got you in trouble in the first place. ;-) > > > > Swell. Thanks, Steve for loading me up with that image. > > I know it's not strictly a rigging tool, but maybe Unka Bill oughtta > look into carrying Brain Scrubbers in his catalog forthwith... > I think Karl has brain scrubbers in the cavebear catalog. http://www.cavebear.com/ Click on the links for the catalog. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <484aefeb28f88bb17a1c5203a98a9e89 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:12:09 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang Reply-to: In-Reply-To: References: On 11:49:02 am 01/06/06 Steve Bailey wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see /> > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Ares [mailto:jonares [at] hevanet.com] > > FWIW, my "standard" is Frame 1 is at the front of the beast. > Everywhere I've been in this country, either their 'rangs were > already numbered that way, or didn't have a problem with my method. > At least the spot ops around the country haven't burned me in effigy, > to my knowledge.... > Usually the spots I see, don't have any numbers, and I count myself lucky if all the frames actually work. Bonus if they have any usable gel in them. My usual practice is to label them with the gel code. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BE8D33.8040304 [at] peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:30:59 -0500 From: Michael Drury Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow References: In-Reply-To: One of the outdoor dramas from my earlier days used flaming arrows. Remember, you are not just changing the 'arrow-dynamics', you are changing the weight too. More weight = less distance. As it outdoors and dark(?), you might consider making the arrow yourself or find a local fletcher. I would suggest making it longer than normal to keep the fire away from the archer's hand at full draw plus a few inches to keep from burning their knuckles when released. As to the combustibles, we used a little excelsior covered with burlap and held in place with thin wire. This was soaked in kerosene overnight then placed head down for an hour or two to allow the excess to drain off. As others have mentioned, you may not want to use kerosene now. But since I have not needed to do this since then I don't have any sure "fire" suggestions for the fuel. You might try brandy or some other consumable combustible. msd ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #644 *****************************