Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 26501355; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:00:51 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #646 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:00:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, TW_KV,TW_VN autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #646 1. Re: Flaming Arrow by Paul Guncheon 2. Re: Flaming Arrow by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 3. Re: Flaming Arrow by Jerry Durand 4. Re: Flaming Arrow by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 5. NEC acceptable cable types by "sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu" 6. Re: NEC acceptable cable types by 7. Re: Flaming Arrow by Bruce Purdy 8. Re: Flaming Arrow by Bruce Purdy 9. Re: Followspot Boomerang by John McKernon 10. Re: Followspot Boomerang by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: NEC acceptable cable types by Seth Ricahardson 12. Re: Flaming Arrow by "Occy" 13. Re: NEC acceptable cable types by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 14. Re Flaming arrow by "Paul Guncheon" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:12:28 -0900 From: Paul Guncheon Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-reply-to: Message-id: <906810B5-078F-4BE6-9B60-1CE96F59162A [at] verizon.net> References: On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > I shouldn't advise olive oil, as it has a high flashpoint Olive oil works just fine for candles with floating wicks. High flashpoint when it's heated in a pan though. I think the main issue is whether the flame will go out when the arrow is released. Trial and error. Laters, Paul "That sonofabitch" sobbed Tom. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000401c61481$347b2460$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:27:38 -0700 Frank... FYI "Ben Franklin also was experimenting with nanotechnology years ago. Once in England, he put a teaspoon of oil on a choppy lake and the surface of the water became as smooth as glass. The oil spread into a layer only a single molecule thick and changed the properties that govern how the wind interacted with the water" (http://www.pnl.gov/breakthroughs/win00-01/rogers.html) Works with a drop of oil also Rob't Riddle Owner manager Idaho Scenic and Rigging Boise, ID ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow > In a message dated 07/01/06 23:03:40 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > > > How does olive oil maike it easier to hit a lake? Or did you mean that it > > would make it easier to miss a lake? > > The point, made some posts ago, was that the 'flaming' bit would disturb the > balance of the arrow, and hence its flight. > > I shouldn't advise olive oil, as it has a high flashpoint. Perhaps some > cheaper cooking oil might serve. As for the thought of using brandy, the mind > boggles. Some other spirit might work, although the flames are usually blue. > Kerosene is the best bet, environmental considerations apart. And honestly, are the > residues of a few flaming arrows really going to damage the environment? Look > at the amount of explosive debris deposited in the countryside on July 4th, > November 5th, or New Year's Eve. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060108103125.01fd16d0 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:40:12 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:27 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Frank... FYI >"Ben Franklin also was experimenting with nanotechnology years ago. Once >in England, he put a teaspoon of oil on a choppy lake and the surface of >the water became as smooth as glass. The oil spread into a layer only a >single molecule thick and changed the properties that govern how the >wind interacted with the water" >(http://www.pnl.gov/breakthroughs/win00-01/rogers.html) > >Works with a drop of oil also And if you're in California, you have to worry about "any detectable quantity" of any substance that may, in any quantity, cause harm. Personal experience is an inspector having his meter bouncing between "no detect" and one part per billion (one teaspoon of "bad" to 1,302,083.33 US gallons of water) has been enough to cause us grief. And this was for a substance that occurs naturally, is used as a drug in medium doses, and is only toxic in high dose. The fact that the meter accuracy is stated as "+/- 5 parts per billion" also doesn't count along with the law being written when the best meters could only read parts per million. If the best meter available doesn't read zero, you're guilty. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2e2.401a6c.30f2c9f5 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:03:01 EST Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In a message dated 08/01/06 18:40:53 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Personal experience is an inspector having his meter bouncing between > "no detect" and one part per billion (one teaspoon of "bad" to > 1,302,083.33 US gallons of water) has been enough to cause us > grief. And this was for a substance that occurs naturally, is used > as a drug in medium doses, and is only toxic in high dose. > > The fact that the meter accuracy is stated as "+/- 5 parts per > billion" also doesn't count along with the law being written when the > best meters could only read parts per million. If the best meter > available doesn't read zero, you're guilty. What can one say? US state legislatures have a long-standing reputation for impractical legislation, with which you have to live. This ranges from a state law making pi equal to three, to the 'Jack Daniels' problem, whereby it is legal to distill and mature it, but not to sell it. Myself, I am more familiar with electrical testing, where the parameters are properly specified. Earth loop resistance less than whatever; live-to-earth resistance more than whatever; and so on. The test conditions are defined, and the whole thing was put together by real engineers. State legislators, and others in authority, are prone to be absolutists. "This can be a harmful substance, therefore we shall tolerate none of it" appears to be their mind set. I can just see their idea of electrical testing. Earth resistance, zero. This is a practical impossibility, period: even the thickest cables offer a finite resistance. Insulation resistance, infinite, another impossibility. With gear powered from 50 or 60HZ supplies, there is always some capacitative impedance. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:05:05 -0500 From: "sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu" Message-Id: <1136754305-1178.025.235-smmsdV2.1.2 [at] smtp.bgsu.edu> Subject: NEC acceptable cable types In-Reply-To: Hi all, Does anybody have a list of the currently acceptable cable types in the USA (S, SO, ST, STO, etc.) for stage usage? I don't have a very up to date copy of the NEC--I think it's 23 years old or something. It's for my intro class, so I'm sure they thank you in advance! Steve Boone Bowling Green State Univ. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:44:26 -0500 From: Subject: Re: NEC acceptable cable types Reply-to: In-Reply-To: References: On 4:05:05 pm 01/08/06 "sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see /> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > Does anybody have a list of the currently acceptable cable types > in the USA (S, SO, ST, STO, etc.) for stage usage? I don't have a > very up to date copy of the NEC--I think it's 23 years old or > something. > It's for my intro class, so I'm sure they thank you in advance! > > Steve Boone > Bowling Green State Univ. > The university electrical repair folks should have a current copy of the NEC that you can look at for this. If it is needed for your class preparation, then the U should spring for a copy, just like they do for other instructors. Send the requirement to your library committee to put it on their recurring buy lest with each update. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:02:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > What can one say? US state legislatures have a long-standing reputation for > impractical legislation, with which you have to live. Hear Hear! Occasionally Frank makes an observation that I can totally agree with. I doubt that even CB could dispute this particular statement! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:04:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > And if you're in California, you have to worry about "any detectable > quantity" of any substance that may, in any quantity, cause harm. One might wonder how MacDonald's is allowed to operate in California! ;-) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:48:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> I always thought >> frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft specifies frame >> 1 as furthest from the op. I just came in on this - what is "the draft" that's specifying something as trivial as this?!? Does this mean I'm going to have to start labeling my socks and making sure that the "right" one always goes on the right foot?!? - John McKernon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:07:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Not only that John ..but someone is going to try to tell you which direction to count lights from. SL to SR or SR to SL! Oh dear....The horror! On 1/8/06 6:48 PM, "John McKernon" wrote: > > I just came in on this - what is "the draft" that's specifying something as > trivial as this?!? > > Does this mean I'm going to have to start labeling my socks and making sure > that the "right" one always goes on the right foot?!? > > - John McKernon > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <56F79BD6-DEA6-40E8-96E4-D47440BFBB1A [at] adelphia.net> From: Seth Ricahardson Subject: Re: NEC acceptable cable types Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:06:45 -0500 On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:05 PM, sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody have a list of the currently acceptable cable > types in the USA (S, SO, ST, STO, > etc.) for stage usage? I don't have a very up to date copy of the > NEC--I think it's 23 years old or > something. > > It's for my intro class, so I'm sure they thank you in advance! > > Steve Boone > Bowling Green State Univ. > Save me time typing this I have copied Eddie answer to this from the archives. http://stagecraft.theprices.net/digest/2005/03_March/ StagecraftDigest-0343_Sat_2005-Mar-26.txt or ( http://tinyurl.com/ akvnv ) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:44:45 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: A/C Power Cable If its a theater in the US, SJO is not a good choice and not code compliant. SJO is hard usage cord also known as Junior hard service cord, but extra-hard usage cord is needed, see 520.68(A)(1) of the NEC (below). Hard service cord or extra-hard usage cord is rated for 600 Volts and marked "600 Volts" on the jacket, it is also commonly marked "S", or "SO ", or "SOO ", or "SW", or "SOW ", or "SOOW ", or "SE ", or "SEO ", or "SEOO ", or "SEW ", or "SEOW ", or "SEOOW". It never has a "J" (junior cord) or "V" (vacuum cleaner cord) on it. Types with a "J" or "V" are 300 Volt cords and not as durable as the heaver extra- hard usage cord. See table 400.4 of the NEC for more information on the differences between extra-hard usage and hard usage cord. *** NEC> 520 -THEATERS, MOTION PICTURE AND TELEVISION STUDIOS, AND NEC> SIMILAR LOCATIONS NEC> 520.68 Conductors for Portables. NEC> (A) Conductor Type. NEC> (1) General. Flexible conductors, including cable extensions, NEC> used to supply portable stage equipment shall be listed NEC> extra-hard usage cords or cables. *** Seth Richardson ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:12:27 -0800 Well I am in So California and they cook only the fries at MacDonald's for many years now where the food is really cooked these days I don't know. But the food taste the same still for 20 years. I do know that SCAQMB has been coming down restaurants on their emissions to the air. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Purdy" > > One might wonder how MacDonald's is allowed to operate in California! > ;-) > > > Bruce > -- > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:47:18 GMT Subject: Re: NEC acceptable cable types Message-Id: <20060108.164726.9696.109427 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Of the 'type accepted' cord designations listed, 'Type S' is the one tha= t best works with the strain relief features present in most brands of p= in connectors without the use of adapters, which can deform, fail or be = lost in assembly and then be replaced by electrical tape, which is a sub= optimal solution. 'Type S' also appears to work best with the physical c= haracteristics of NEMA listed twistlock connectors. This assumes that th= e cables will be exposed to Rough Usage, and not the oil in an elevator = pit or excessive sunlight or ozone that shouldn't be present on the stag= e of a typical theatre. /s/ Richard. ___________________________ > Hi all, > Does anybody have a list of the currently acceptable cable = > types in the USA (S, SO, ST, STO, etc.) for stage usage? = > Steve Boone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:22:42 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re Flaming arrow Message-id: <002401c614fe$3ea97720$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: <> I assume that it's flashpoint raises to a significant level when it's heated in a pan. Don't know why this would be a concern. As far as ecology concerns, seems to me they would seem to be moot if powerboats are used on the lake. I think this all about keeping the arrow lit during flight. Might I suggest some experimentation? And let us know the successes and failures. Switching to Mac and am unable to send to the list for some reason from the Mac. Not as easy as Mac users claim. Laters, Paul "You sonofabitch" sobbed Tom. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #646 *****************************