Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 26530117; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:01:05 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #647 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:00:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #647 1. Rigging safety website by "Peter Scheu" 2. Re: fun with Nutcracker by Noemi Ybarra 3. Re: I saw something beautiful last night by Noemi Ybarra 4. Re: Followspot Boomerang by Jerry Durand 5. Re: Rigging safety website by Bill Sapsis 6. Re: Re Flaming arrow by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 7. vector works by 8. Re: Followspot Boomerang by John McKernon 9. Re: vector works by Stan Jensen 10. Re: Followspot Boomerang by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: Followspot Boomerang by John McKernon 12. Re: Followspot Boomerang by Jerry Durand 13. Re: vector works by "rufus" 14. Re: Followspot Boomerang by "Matthew Breton" 15. Re: vector works by Davy Davis 16. Re: Flaming Arrow by CB 17. Re: Followspot Boomerang by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: High School Theatre Program Needs Help by "RD" 19. ETCP results are in by "Bill Conner" 20. Re: Followspot Boomerang by John McKernon 21. Re: ETCP results are in by "Jon Lagerquist" 22. Re: Standard Labeling (Was Followspot Boomerang) by "Alf Sauve" 23. Re: Bastard Prompt by "Alf Sauve" 24. Re: Followspot Boomerang by Mitch Hefter 25. Re: NEC acceptable cable types by Michael de Almeida 26. Another NEC Question by Brian James 27. Re: Re Flaming arrow by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: Rigging safety website Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:21:02 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: To those who may be interested, there is a new website with a lot of good general information about stage rigging. It is "sponsored" by JR Clancy, so there are some references to their gear, but all-in-all a good site if you're looking for generic safety, training, and design information (including a shameless plug for Unca Bill's training seminars). URL is www.rigging-safety.com Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43C2848E.95AE8F27 [at] jonesphillips.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:43:10 -0500 From: Noemi Ybarra Subject: Re: fun with Nutcracker References: I actually light a Nutcracker every year (for the past...umm...12?) that really IS the same as last year. The choreographer likes having the same ol' crew, the same ol' props and all so that she can concentrate on the dancers. Noemi Ybarra Paul Marsland wrote: > > "Same as last year" always feels like an excuse to not > think through the show details properly. Lots of > tongue-biting since you can't really say that to the > client... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43C28907.37D42200 [at] jonesphillips.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:02:15 -0500 From: Noemi Ybarra Subject: Re: I saw something beautiful last night References: Chris - do tell. Noemi CB wrote: > I will repeat waht one other poster said, I 'saw' and 'heard' what you saw > and heard, just from your description. It is these few moments that keep > me coming back. I will never forget a backyard birthday party I mixed once > that had one of these moments. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060109082105.01f2b6d8 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:21:24 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:48 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Does this mean I'm going to have to start labeling my socks and making sure >that the "right" one always goes on the right foot?!? I have some socks that say "HEAD", that's confusing enough! -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:01:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Rigging safety website From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks for the heads up Peter. Looks like it's got lots of good info, including the fact that they spelled my name correctly. Thanks Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 1/9/06 9:21 AM, "Peter Scheu" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > To those who may be interested, there is a new website with a lot of good > general information about stage rigging. It is "sponsored" by JR Clancy, so > there are some references to their gear, but all-in-all a good site if > you're looking for generic safety, training, and design information > (including a shameless plug for Unca Bill's training seminars). > > URL is www.rigging-safety.com > > Peter Scheu > > Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. > www.scheuconsulting.com > Tel: 315.422.9984 > fax: 413.513.4966 > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.6b2ab7fa.30f40997 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:46:47 EST Subject: Re: Re Flaming arrow In a message dated 09/01/06 09:23:27 GMT Standard Time, paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes: > <> > > I assume that it's flashpoint raises to a significant level when it's heated > in a pan. Don't know why this would be a concern. As far as ecology > concerns, seems to me they would seem to be moot if powerboats are used on > the lake. I was thinking of the initial ignition. When heated, it lights up more easily. Think of a Primus stove, which runs on paraffin (kerosene), but needs a pre-heat from methylated spirits (sterno) before it gets going properly. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060109190947.90258.qmail [at] web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: vector works First off if this has been discussed recently I apologize. I checked the archives and could only view postings from 2004 and older. We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am curious what others experiences have been with VectorWorks Spotlight. Is it easy to learn/use? Any major problems? Annoying quirks? Is RenderWorks worth the extra money? etc. Thanks in advance Ken Zinkl Auditorium Manager Fort Zumwalt South High School ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang From: John McKernon Message-ID: > Not only that John ..but someone is going to try to tell you which direction > to count lights from. SL to SR or SR to SL! Oh dear....The horror! OK, when that happens I'm changing Lightwright to only accept "Roscolux 33" instead of things like "R33" or "R-33", because we certainly can't have people confusing Rosco gels with Robert's gels or RuthColor. And from now on, the phrases "N/C", "NC", and "OW" will be strictly forbidden. The only permissible phrase will be "No Color At All" (capitalized as shown - and no, you can't abbreviate it as NCAA). And while we're about it, I demand that we legislate that all paperwork say "Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four Fifty Degree" (or other degree as appropriate) instead of "S4-50" or similarly misleading and confusing phrases. And of course, all stage directions must heretofore be expressed in metric polar coordinates from the latitude and longitude point of the physical center of the parking space nearest the front door of the theater, so that the worldwide confusion caused by such terms as "SR", "SL", "OP", "US" and "DS" is eliminated. GMAB...;) - John McKernon ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8B8C0A3C-E9FC-4F23-957D-27F0AFD61C8B [at] cmich.edu> From: Stan Jensen Subject: Re: vector works Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:23:48 -0500 On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, wrote: > . . . We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am > curious what others experiences have been with > VectorWorks Spotlight. Is it easy to learn/use? Any > major problems? Annoying quirks? Is RenderWorks > worth the extra money? etc. I highly recommend it. I have used it since it was MiniCad 2.something, so it seems easy enough for me. I teach a class in VectorWorks, and my students generally catch on quite quickly after a few basic concepts are made clear. I believe that if you buy the Spotlight package, RenderWorks comes automatically. Stan Jensen Central Michigan University Department of Speech Communication and Dramatic Art Moore 242 Mount Pleasant, MI 48859 (989) 774-1990 office (989) 774-2498 fax ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Followspot Boomerang Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c61558$3b7f9480$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And while we're about it, I demand that we legislate that all > paperwork say "Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four Fifty > Degree" (or other degree as > appropriate) instead of "S4-50" or similarly misleading and > confusing phrases. What should we do about the guy who keeps advertising on E-Bay that he's selling a "Source 4 PAR64"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > What should we do about the guy who keeps advertising on E-Bay that he's > selling a "Source 4 PAR64"? Why, slap him in chains, of course...;) - John ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060109120918.01f0f1c0 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:12:04 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang In-Reply-To: References:

At 12:06 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote: >What should we do about the guy who keeps advertising on E-Bay that he's >selling a "Source 4 PAR64"? Send him to one of the timeshare buying companies we just ran across. Such a deal! You give them the deed to your timeshare AND pay them $$$$. :( Nah, that's too evil for using the wrong name. Just make him clean all the dirt out of your grid. :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200601092024.k09KOmPU001040 [at] ns1.ldassistant.com> From: "rufus" Subject: RE: vector works Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:24:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: May I suggest LD ASSISTANT Ac04 it comes with a built-in 64 universes DMX visualizer, high end render and a lot more. You can find out more about the product at www.ldassistant.com Let us know if we can be of any help. Best regards, Rufus Warren III Design & Drafting Software Co. Voice 708-499-0107 Fax Line 708-499-0046 E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com Web Site www.design-drafting.com autodesk authorized developer HP developer -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:10 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: vector works For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- First off if this has been discussed recently I apologize. I checked the archives and could only view postings from 2004 and older. We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am curious what others experiences have been with VectorWorks Spotlight. Is it easy to learn/use? Any major problems? Annoying quirks? Is RenderWorks worth the extra money? etc. Thanks in advance Ken Zinkl Auditorium Manager Fort Zumwalt South High School ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:04:37 -0500 >And of course, all stage directions must heretofore be expressed in metric >polar coordinates from the latitude and longitude point of the physical >center of the parking space nearest the front door of the theater, so that >the worldwide confusion caused by such terms as "SR", "SL", "OP", "US" and >"DS" is eliminated. Just use GPS. It's a heckuva lot easier than Labanotation.... -- Matt _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:11:27 -0700 From: Davy Davis Subject: Re: vector works In-reply-to: Message-id: <43C2D17F.7010702 [at] du.edu> Organization: DU Theatre References: I highly recommend Vectorworks and specifically the industry collection. It's everything from Mechanical, Spotlight, Architectural, and Renderworks. The discount for educational institutions puts it in the cheap category. A few years ago when deciding what software to get for our lab I found some sites that reported on CAD shottouts. Vectorworks never won overall compared to the programs that were up to 5 times the price but always one the category of ease of use and intuitiveness. And it easily links to Lightwright, a major plus. There are also some nice tutorials for it at Kent Goetz website for his classes at Cornell. They are here: http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/thetr263/ If you want to email me off list or call please feel free. I am a firm supporter of this program and it's capabilities. Davy > We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am > curious what others experiences have been with > VectorWorks Spotlight. Is it easy to learn/use? Any > major problems? Annoying quirks? Is RenderWorks > worth the extra money? etc. > -- William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060109161958.00d12cb0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:19:58 From: CB Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow >> What can one say? US state legislatures have a long-standing reputation for >> impractical legislation, with which you have to live. > > Hear Hear! Occasionally Frank makes an observation that I can totally >agree with. I doubt that even CB could dispute this particular statement! Now, I do give Frank his due. He has a few things that he knows well, this and 'scotch is good, and only single malt is scotch' are among them. Of course, we here in the states have learned how to get around it. Remember the story that I told about the cop that wanted me to turn down the PA in an industrially zoned area? We went to the 'residence' of the complainant and took a SPL reading, only to be interrupted by traffic noise. The second time we tried to get a reading and it was interrupted by traffic noise, I suggested as to how he may want to stop traffic going by the guys 'house' and then come talk to me again. >If the best meter >available doesn't read zero, you're guilty. Shoulda had him test water straight from the spigot at the same time. Once he got a needle fluctuation off the drinking water, you coulda suggested that he has bigger fish to fry... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19e.433102cc.30f44a04 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:21:40 EST Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang In a message dated 09/01/06 19:23:04 GMT Standard Time, stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com writes: > And of course, all stage directions must heretofore be expressed in metric > polar coordinates from the latitude and longitude point of the physical > center of the parking space nearest the front door of the theater, so that > the worldwide confusion caused by such terms as "SR", "SL", "OP", "US" and > "DS" is eliminated. This is a bit over the top. But the confusion would be much mitigated by the use of 'PS' and 'OP' for the lateral directions. They completely remove the left-right problem. Admittedly, this involves rembering that 'PS' is stage left, but since most theatres have the prompt desk there, it's not hard. Those few which don't are said to have a 'bastard prompt'. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: RE: High School Theatre Program Needs Help Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:01:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just down my alley, if one wishes. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Peter Scheu Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:38 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: High School Theatre Program Needs Help For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- WARNING - longish post... A bit OT, but a cause somewhat close to my heart... A high school drama program in Beloit, WI (Kristi - I assume you know where this is?) is facing a challenge convincing the PTB that its technical systems need to be replaced after being condemned last year. They are attempting to convince the school board that the cost is worth it, and are raising $120,000 themselves to get the process started. Here's a link to a local newspaper article: http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2005/12/23/news/122305news07.txt I have corresponded with Greg Wallendal, and he is looking for anecdotes regarding how high school performing arts and music programs affected peoples' lives in an effort to convince the school board that replacing a full stage counterweight system with 7 dead hung sets just doesn't cut it. As he put it: >Part of what we are faced with now in our fundraising efforts >is convincing people (both school board and the public) that >we need this facility restored to its original condition in >order to service the wide variety of functions this auditorium >is used for (40 different groups use it for student >assemblies, plays, musicals, concerts, dance recitals, and >pageants each year). However, many of these groups come and >use our stage now and see lights and curtains (dead hung) and >think the stage is just fine even though we have no >accoustical ceilings, teasers, or legs hanging above. People >who are familiar with the stage look up and see its nakedness, >but the average person sees nothing wrong. I remember what a difference joining the drama club in my own high school in Nyack, NY, made in my life. Not only did it start a long and fulfilling professional career, it also helped turn a shy and somewhat introverted freshman kid into the senior class' "Most Dramatic" student in the class yearbook (all too many years ago!). So if you're willing to share your personal story, or give him some "ammunition", I'm sure he'd appreciate it. You can e-mail Greg Wallendal at: gwallend [at] sdb.k12.wi.us Thanks. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <020b01c6157a$04685e60$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: ETCP results are in Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:08:42 -0600 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Shall we share scores anyone? Regards, ETCP Certified Rigger Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:31:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > This is a bit over the top. But the confusion would be much mitigated by the > use of 'PS' and 'OP' for the lateral directions. They completely remove the > left-right problem. Admittedly, this involves rembering that 'PS' is stage > left, > but since most theatres have the prompt desk there, it's not hard. Those few > which don't are said to have a 'bastard prompt'. Oh, dear... I was afraid someone would take me literally! Frank, I meant to be satirical - - John ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:53:40 -0800 Subject: Re: ETCP results are in Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43C2A324.17049.129EA819 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: Congratulations Bill Conner wrote: > ETCP Certified Rigger Bill Jon Lagerquist ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01ab01c61592$387d44a0$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Standard Labeling (Was Followspot Boomerang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:01:54 -0500 My shoes are labeled inside, "SGOF" Alf Sock Go On First ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 03:48 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Does this mean I'm going to have to start labeling my socks and making >>sure >>that the "right" one always goes on the right foot?!? > > I have some socks that say "HEAD", that's confusing enough! > > > -- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 > web: www.interstellar.com > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01aa01c61592$384df740$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Bastard Prompt Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:00:07 -0500 Would Apollo call that "fatherless prompt"? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang > This is a bit over the top. But the confusion would be much mitigated by > the > use of 'PS' and 'OP' for the lateral directions. They completely remove > the > left-right problem. Admittedly, this involves rembering that 'PS' is stage > left, > but since most theatres have the prompt desk there, it's not hard. Those > few > which don't are said to have a 'bastard prompt'. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060109212336.03214068 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:27:11 -0600 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang In-Reply-To: References: John McKernon wrote: > >> I always thought >> frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft > specifies frame > >> 1 as furthest from the op. > >I just came in on this - what is "the draft" that's specifying something as >trivial as this?!? USITT RP-2 (revision 5), Recommended Practice for Theatrical Lighting Graphics, is available for public review until 5 p.m. Eastern time on March 20, 2006. http://www.usitt.org/standards/UsittRP-2v5.html More discussion in Digest #645. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Office: Entertainment Technology / a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlyte.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.vari-lite.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: NEC acceptable cable types Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:38:02 -0500 Hello, Just a suggestion. You should probably buy or get the University to buy a copy for your class. The most important thing is for the students to know where in the NEC code book they can find what they need. If they are just presented with the information they'll have just what you give them. If you show them where to find it, they can find the information they need anytime plus other information, should they need it in the future. Knowing your way around the code is a very valuable skill for students to know. - Mike D ATD Theatreworks, Hartford On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:05 PM, sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > Does anybody have a list of the currently acceptable cable > types in the USA (S, SO, ST, STO, > etc.) for stage usage? I don't have a very up to date copy of the > NEC--I think it's 23 years old or > something. > > It's for my intro class, so I'm sure they thank you in advance! > > Steve Boone > Bowling Green State Univ. > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43C32EE7.9080405 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:49:59 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Another NEC Question Does the NEC require speaker cables that are installed as part of a 70volts distributed system to be in conduit? I see sections that would lead me to believe this is the case, however I see a lot of actual installations that do not have conduit for the speaker runs. Any ideas, or maybe is there something I am missing (probably the most likely situation) -- Brian James ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007b01c615b9$1201aab0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Re Flaming arrow Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:40:03 -0700 Paul? Have I got this all correct now? 1. Remove unflaming arrow from heating pan 2. Quickly load into launch device: Bow, Crossbow, skeet launcher 3 Ignite with flame source: Bic, propane torch, coil extension from pre-1967 Ford Truck, 4. Once ignition takes place, aim for powerboat as to keep it from falling into lake. 5. Launch. 6. Look in general direction of Director to see if desired effect achieved. 7. Let Designer know of cost involved for each arrow launched. (cost of powerboat(s), quick release flotation collars for arrows that miss the powerboat, Chemical fire extinguishers for those that do hit the powerboat,...) (note: OVERALL cost will be less if designed on a Mac) I shouldn't be up this time of night Robert Riddle Devil's Advocate Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Guncheon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:22 AM Subject: Re Flaming arrow > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > <> > > I assume that it's flashpoint raises to a significant level when it's heated > in a pan. Don't know why this would be a concern. As far as ecology > concerns, seems to me they would seem to be moot if powerboats are used on > the lake. > > I think this all about keeping the arrow lit during flight. Might I suggest > some experimentation? > > And let us know the successes and failures. > > Switching to Mac and am unable to send to the list for some reason from the > Mac. > > Not as easy as Mac users claim. > > Laters, > > Paul ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #647 *****************************