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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #648

 1. Re: Followspot Boomerang
    by Jason Tollefson <jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com>
 2. Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by Michael Powers <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
 3. Re: Followspot Boomerang
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
 4. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 5. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
 6. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
 7. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
 8. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
 9. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
10. Re: Followspot Boomerang etc.
    by Mick Alderson <alderson [at] uwosh.edu>
11. Walkie-Talkie
    by Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
12. Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
    by "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
13. Re: Walkie-Talkie
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
14. Re: Walkie-Talkie
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
15. Re: Walkie-Talkie
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
16. Re: Walkie-Talkie
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
17. Re: Another NEC Question
    by "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
18. Re: vector works
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
19. Selecon Fresnels
    by "Lon Butcher" <Lon.Butcher [at] wwu.edu>
20. Re: Followspot Boomerang
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
21. Re: Another NEC Question
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
22. Re: I saw something beautiful last night
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
23. Re: vector works 
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
24. Re: vector works 
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
25. Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
26. Re: vector works
    by Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
27. Re: vector works
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
28. SETC Conference
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
29. Re: SETC Conference
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
30. Re: SETC Conference
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
31. Re: SETC Conference
    by "Ash Munro" <amunro [at] avcompany.com>
32. Re: SETC Conference
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
33. Re: SETC Conference
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
34. Re: SETC Conference
    by "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
35. Re: vector works
    by "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
36. Re: SETC Conference
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
37. Re: SETC Conference
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
38. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
39. The Phantom of Opera" officially knocked off "Cats"  NEWS
    by Seth Ricahardson <stagecraft [at] adelphia.net>
40. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
41. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
42. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
43. Rabbit Ears
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
44. Re: I saw something beautiful last night
    by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.)
45. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>

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Message-ID: <20060110121123.34642.qmail [at] web51009.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:11:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Tollefson <jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com>
Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com
Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang
In-Reply-To: <list-26530101 [at] prxy.net>

I would like to comment on the standard being proposed below.  As we all probably know, ETC has
not yet introduced a 450deg Source Four so I believe that the nomenclature below may confuse some
technicians.  I would like to propose the followwing alternatives for pubilc review:

Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four, Fifty Degree

Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four - Fifty Degree

Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four(tm)  Fifty Degree

> And while we're about it, I demand that we legislate that all paperwork say
> "Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four Fifty Degree" (or other degree as
> appropriate) instead of "S4-50" or similarly misleading and confusing
> phrases.

Jason Tollefson
Lighting Designer
www.tollefsondesigns.com


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Message-ID: <58f67b0f0601100624t7464b6f7n995abb4acb427fb7 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:24:56 -0600
From: Michael Powers <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)

 Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:

>>> start labeling my socks and making sure
>>>that the "right" one always goes on the right foot?!?

>I have some socks that say "HEAD", that's confusing enough!

Jerry,

My brother-in-law's name is Bill, the family found a gift catalog with
al sorts of things labeled "BILL".  So the whole family got together
an each gave him a "BILL" gift.  My wif'e and my contribution was four
pair of socks labeled "Bill's sock"  and "Bill's OTHER sock"
--
Michael

Michael Powers
Director of Operations
Central Lighting & Equipment
1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
West Des Moines Iowa 50265
515-277-4190   877-977-4190
Fax  515-277-2295
515-557-0178  cell
michael [at] clelights.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:19:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <BFE92CBE.5E11%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26531246 [at] prxy.net>

> I would like to comment on the standard being proposed below.  As we all
> probably know, ETC has
> not yet introduced a 450deg Source Four so I believe that the nomenclature
> below may confuse some
> technicians.  I would like to propose the followwing alternatives for pubilc
> review:
> 
> Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four, Fifty Degree
> 
> Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four - Fifty Degree
> 
> Electronic Theatre Controls Source Four(tm)  Fifty Degree

My vote is for the last one - and when it's ratified I'll be investing in
paper manufacturers and companies that make large-capacity hard drives!

- John



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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:39:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFE93160.7530%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26533279 [at] prxy.net>

Oh god.  Please, please, please do not let my family see that catalog.
Puleeeeease????

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>



On 1/10/06 9:24 AM, "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Jerry,
> 
> My brother-in-law's name is Bill, the family found a gift catalog with
> al sorts of things labeled "BILL".  So the whole family got together
> an each gave him a "BILL" gift.  My wif'e and my contribution was four
> pair of socks labeled "Bill's sock"  and "Bill's OTHER sock"
> --
> Michael
> 
> Michael Powers
> Director of Operations
> Central Lighting & Equipment
> 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
> West Des Moines Iowa 50265
> 515-277-4190   877-977-4190
> Fax  515-277-2295
> 515-557-0178  cell
> michael [at] clelights.com



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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:28 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
In-reply-to: <list-26533580 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C3CC84.1060500 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26533580 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Oh god.  Please, please, please do not let my family see that catalog.
> Puleeeeease????

Of course, his family's not on the list.  I think Bill's 39th birthday 
is coming up sometime soon...


Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <20060110080645.zxg8ogs44oc80wo4 [at] www.email.arizona.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:06:45 -0700
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
References: <list-26533580 [at] prxy.net> <list-26533921 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26533921 [at] prxy.net>

Quoting Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>:

> Of course, his family's not on the list.  I think Bill's 39th birthday
> is coming up sometime soon...


Which one?


Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
520-621-7025
520-591-1803 Mobile


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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:12:40 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
In-reply-to: <list-26534002 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C3CEE8.6060007 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26533580 [at] prxy.net> <list-26533921 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26534002 [at] prxy.net>

Mark O'Brien wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>:
> 
>> Of course, his family's not on the list.  I think Bill's 39th birthday
>> is coming up sometime soon...
> 

> Which one?

I've said too much already.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:26:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <BFE93C5E.307E%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-26533580 [at] prxy.net>

Bill wrote:

> Oh god.  Please, please, please do not let my family see that catalog.
> Puleeeeease????

Which entity is potentially be more dangerous with this catalog, Bill's
family or "the list"?

Hmmmmmm.....

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:40:49 -0500
Message-ID: <000601c615fc$3b6b56b0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26534420 [at] prxy.net>



> > Oh god.  Please, please, please do not let my family see 
> that catalog. 
> > Puleeeeease????
> 
> Which entity is potentially be more dangerous with this 
> catalog, Bill's family or "the list"?

It'd be funnier if we sent all that stuff to someone who name *isn't*
"Bill".

I nominate Frank.


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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:41:04 -0600
From: Mick Alderson <alderson [at] uwosh.edu>
Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang etc.
Message-id: <B05C2570-893D-474B-ABE5-61AB9F226F4B [at] uwosh.edu>

Frank wrote:

>  But the confusion would be much mitigated by the
> use of 'PS' and 'OP' for the lateral directions. They completely  
> remove the
> left-right problem. Admittedly, this involves rembering that 'PS'  
> is stage left,
> but since most theatres have the prompt desk there, it's not hard.  
> Those few
> which don't are said to have a 'bastard prompt'.

We usually call our shows from the FOH booth, so would that make  
PS=Downstage and OP=?

I'm so confused!  ;-)

(PS: It was a JOKE, a JOKE...!)

Mick Alderson

TD, Fredric March Theatre
University of Wisconsin Oshkosh

alderson [at] uwosh.edu




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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:11:23 -0500
From: Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
Subject: Walkie-Talkie
Message-id: <cfaff3d765c37805180e64b4ece53ecd [at] williams.edu>

Can we re-vist the walkie talkie discussion we've had in the past?  Is 
there any new equipment worth looking at?  We have found the Motorola 
Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly in the 
lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them w/o getting 
into high end equipment?

Cosmo


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Message-ID: <BAY12-F27208D6319A516BBE1ED4CE0250 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-26534757 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:24:18 +0000

So would that make it Bill's Frank?

Moe



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>From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
>Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: Labeled socks (was Re: Followspot Boomerang)
>Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:40:49 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> > > Oh god.  Please, please, please do not let my family see
> > that catalog.
> > > Puleeeeease????
> >
> > Which entity is potentially be more dangerous with this
> > catalog, Bill's family or "the list"?
>
>It'd be funnier if we sent all that stuff to someone who name *isn't*
>"Bill".
>
>I nominate Frank.
>



------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Walkie-Talkie
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:46:07 -0500
Message-ID: <000701c61605$5ad45430$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26535376 [at] prxy.net>



> We have found the Motorola 
> Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly in the 
> lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them 
> w/o getting 
> into high end equipment?

You could always use Martin or Varalight.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <001d01c61606$4637ba70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26536202 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkie
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:52:42 -0800

>> We have found the Motorola 
>> Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly in the 
>> lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them 
>> w/o getting 
>> into high end equipment?
> 
> You could always use Martin or Varalight.
> 


Yeah, but you really have to yell into those things.  (Noisy fans, too.)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 

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Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B370C11 [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Walkie-Talkie
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:18 -0700

You could also go with Motorola's Professional 2-way products.  The Walkabouts are basically toys for family use. 


Chip 

-----Original Message-----
> We have found the Motorola
> Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly in the 
> lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them w/o getting 
> into high end equipment?

You could always use Martin or Varalight.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <0c6225242995caddf2635f0b88ee407f [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:04:16 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkie
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26535376 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26535376 [at] prxy.net>

On 11:11:23 am 01/10/06 Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Can we re-vist the walkie talkie discussion we've had in the past?
> Is there any new equipment worth looking at?  We have found the
> Motorola Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly
> in the lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them w/o
> getting into high end equipment?
>
> Cosmo
>

  FOr coverage into buildings, two things pretty much 
rule.  Power and frequency.  You want to have a higher 
frequency, since the smaller wavelength can fit through 
smaller holes in the incomplete faraday cage that modern 
building construction presents.   
  Higher power, gained by more watts coming from the 
transmitter, more efficient antennas, and more sensitive 
recievers.   This punches through the concrete that 
attenuates the signals.   

  --Dale


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Message-ID: <005901c6160e$872db270$640aa8c0 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC>
From: "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
References: <list-26522948 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another NEC Question
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:46 -0600

This would be considered low voltage cabling so no (at least not where i am
from),  but fire code may require some thing other than a PVC coated cable,
if the run is through a space the is used as a plenum air return.

Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: Another NEC Question


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does the NEC require speaker cables that are installed as part of a
> 70volts distributed system to be in conduit?
>
> I see sections that would lead me to believe this is the case, however I
> see a lot of actual installations that do not have conduit for the
> speaker runs.
>
>
> Any ideas, or maybe is there something I am missing (probably the most
> likely situation)
>
>
> -- 
> Brian James
>


------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV29474A2A55940DD0116A2DF250 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: vector works
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:56:46 -0600
Message-ID: <006001c6160f$394f0bc0$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-26511876 [at] prxy.net>

I use Vectorworks Spotlight all the time. I taught myself to use it and last
year I taught it to my first year lighting design students and they had it
figured out easily. In talking with colleagues, it seems that if you have
been using Autocad or an Autocad like product it is harder to learn. I think
it's a little like the difference between Mac and PC. If you already know
one the other is harder, all the buttons are in the wrong place, etc. I
don't have Renderworks, so I can't comment on that. One annoying quirk to
mention is if you want to trade files with Autocad users, I'm told they find
the Spotlight symbols annoying, apparently they show up in an Autocad file
as a separate symbol name for each light on the plot. Of course, if you're
not trading with anybody, that's a non-issue.

Laura McMeley
LD, Dallas, TX


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
> kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:10 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: vector works
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> First off if this has been discussed recently I
> apologize.  I checked the archives and could only view
> postings from 2004 and older.
> 
> 
> We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am
> curious what others experiences have been with
> VectorWorks Spotlight.  Is it easy to learn/use?  Any
> major problems?  Annoying quirks?  Is RenderWorks
> worth the extra money?  etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Ken Zinkl
> Auditorium Manager
> Fort Zumwalt South High School

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Subject: Selecon Fresnels
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:29:30 -0800
Message-ID: <F43E397F01F82C4088F714D0D1FAE6AB03AEC616 [at] EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu>
From: "Lon Butcher" <Lon.Butcher [at] wwu.edu>

Greetings to the list,

A very happy new year to one and all.
I'm helping to equip a couple of small performance spaces, appx. 30' =
square=20
with ceiling heights of 12 to 14'.  I'm interested in the Selecon =
Acclaim 4 1/2" Fresnel.
I'm intrigued by their wide range of beam angle 6 to 60 degrees and the =
range of lamps
that are available.
If anyone has experience with them especially in comparison to standard =
6" fresnels
I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks in advance!
Lon

Lon Butcher
Performance Technician
College of Fine and Performing Arts
Western Washington University
Bellingham, WA 98225-9109
Phone:=A0 (360) 650-7926
Fax:=A0 (360) 650-7903


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1f8.19577ea6.30f55783 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:31 EST
Subject: Re: Followspot Boomerang

In a message dated 10/01/06 00:32:36 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com writes:

> > This is a bit over the top. But the confusion would be much mitigated by 
> the
>  > use of 'PS' and 'OP' for the lateral directions. They completely remove 
> the
>  > left-right problem. Admittedly, this involves rembering that 'PS' is 
stage
>  > left, 
>  > but since most theatres have the prompt desk there, it's not hard. Those 
> few
>  > which don't are said to have a 'bastard prompt'.
>  
>  Oh, dear... I was afraid someone would take me literally! Frank, I meant to
>  be satirical -

I know. But, 20 years ago, could you have foretold all the rules and 
regulations that now bedevil us? Then, the theatre I work in was a happy, cheerful 
place to work. Our electrical installations were always done, by amateurs, to 
conform to the current rules, but apart from that we relied on the goodwill and 
common-sense of our members. Both these are wearing thin, nowadays, driven out 
by safety and security measures.

Who knows what will come in the next 20 years?

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <24b.4fd32fd.30f55aff [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:23 EST
Subject: Re: Another NEC Question

In a message dated 10/01/06 03:50:21 GMT Standard Time, 
brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com writes:

> Does the NEC require speaker cables that are installed as part of a 
>  70volts distributed system to be in conduit?
>  
>  I see sections that would lead me to believe this is the case, however I 
>  see a lot of actual installations that do not have conduit for the 
>  speaker runs.

I don't know your code. That said, it is a sensible provision, to protect the 
cables from mechanical damage. In the UK, 70V RMS is marginal between 
extra-low voltage and low voltage. If, of course, it's 70V RMS. We call it 100V 
lines. Either way, it can bite you.

It is wise to do this with low impedance speaker cables, as well, more for 
mechanical protection, and for the availability of standard boxes for outlets. 
While it involves extra trouble and cost at the installation, I think it to be 
worth it.

Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060110121721.00cff8d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:17:21
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: I saw something beautiful last night

>Chris - do tell.

*sigh*...  It was a friend in the industry's birthday party, 'All' (from
the Descendents) headlined, a few local bands opened, and one of the bands
that I toured with offered up their guitarist and lead singer to do an
'unplugged' set.  Their road manager, and close friend of mine, also showed
up at the party, which might have been an issue if they hadn't already been
on stage, because they had been spatting for the previous three months.
The guys started into 'Ole Fifty-five' (Tom Waits song, covered by the
Eagles), a song that the manager sang excellent harmonies on.  I stuffed a
wireless in his face, he refused, I insisted, he refused again, I gave him
the "What is this, high school?" look, and he started singing.  As he
stolled through the crowd on his way to the stage, the looks of incredulity
on the faces of the guys as I dialled him up in the monitor were priceless.
 The looks that were exchanged as he took a chair between them on stage
literally brought tears to my eyes, as, without a single word, an entire
conversation took place with their eyes and expressions.  The smiles that
they adopted as they finished the song needed no interpretation, as three
friends left their animosity behind, and realised that their friendship was
far more important than whatever it was that they were fighting about in
the firs place.
And that's when the cops showed up.  Right in the middle of two acoustic
guitars accompanying three voices harmonizing beautifully, and told me that
I had to shut it down, as there had been a noise complaint.  After 'All', a
power trio alterna-thrash band with 2300 Watts of stage power between the
guit amp and the bass amp (not to mention what I had there) and a drummer
with double-oilskin Evans heads and sticks so large that they should still
have had bark on them.
I refused.
It was sooooo beautiful.
If you're interested in the Tucson music scene (back when there was one)
"High and Dry" is showing in Portland in the coming week, and 'Giant Sand'
will be playing, along with an old Tucsonan's new band.
<http://www.upstairsfilm.com/highanddry/news.html>
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: RE: vector works 
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:50:58 -0600
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-26511876 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1EwPWH-0007pn-5x [at] elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Ken -

I've been using VW since 1999.  I switched kicking and screaming, but have
been quite happy since I got over the change.

It is fairly easy to use.  As manuals go, that for VW is fairly
well-written.  As long as I know the name of the feature/tool I'm trying to
find it is pretty helpful.

The majority of the "annoying quirks" that I've found have more to do w. the
"that isn't the way I'm used to working" sort of thing.  For example:
- In VW you work in scale - as opposed to being "scaleless" until printing,
as in in some other packages.
- VW has Classes and Layers.  For some folks, getting around the difference
can be challenging.
- There are a few commands that I find odd to be missing - but have been
able to get around them quite easily using scripts.
- VW is a lot more heavily GUI-based than I'd been used to.  Though I still
find that to be somewhat annoying, I've gotten over it.

As to Spotlight, save for a one or two tools, I have never really gotten
along w. it. Though it does have some nice features, I find it to be WAY
more difficult than it needs to be.  A good bit of it is on my "You've got
to be kidding" list.

As to Renderworks, spring for it.  It is well worth the extra $.

Your timing is actually pretty good.  The new version of VW that has just
come out in recent months has some pretty nice added features, like
volumetric rendering and live sections.

One thing that I would recommend is spending a little time w. an experienced
user who can give you a quick hands-on run-down.  Prior to my buying my
first copy, I found that to be extremely helpful.

Regards -

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
>Of kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net
>Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:10 PM
>To: Stagecraft
>Subject: vector works 
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>First off if this has been discussed recently I apologize.  I 
>checked the archives and could only view postings from 2004 and older.
>
>
>We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am curious 
>what others experiences have been with VectorWorks Spotlight.  
>Is it easy to learn/use?  Any major problems?  Annoying 
>quirks?  Is RenderWorks worth the extra money?  etc.  
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Ken Zinkl
>Auditorium Manager
>Fort Zumwalt South High School



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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:03:12 -0500
Subject: Re: vector works 
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <BFE97D30.5E70%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26540217 [at] prxy.net>

> - VW has Classes and Layers.  For some folks, getting around the difference
> can be challenging.

In my VW class, I tell the students to think of the drawing as a building.
Each layer is a floor in the building, and each person in the building is
assigned to the "Male" class, the "Female" class, or the "Pat" class. You
decide which floor(s) you want to look at, and which class(es) of people you
want to see or work with.

- John



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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:50:08 -0500
Subject: Flaming arrows(rather long)
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <BFE98830.30A1%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>

All,

I posed the question of "flaming arrows into a lake" to my Sister who is an
SCA member and an amateur archer . I shared the link to the archery PDF from
one of the previous responses. This is her response:

Good grief, how many arrows are they planning on shooting?  For no more
kerosene than they would be using, I would think it would have to be a
phenomenal amount for it to have much environmental impact.
The method described in the magazine article is a pretty good one.  It
depends on what the desired effect is though to determine how closely
you want to follow it.  The method described will torch off quite a
bonfire of gasoline-soaked hay bales which will be the impressive part.
Since they are shooting into a lake, I'm guessing that they want a
relatively long shot and the flaming arrow to be the big deal, pretty
much like in the movies when someone has an arrow with a great ball of
flame that is strikingly visible along the whole flight of the arrow.
Usually in the movies it lands on a thatched roof and the whole building
is miraculously suddenly fully engulfed on impact.
Real flaming arrows don't work this way.  You need a fuel source that
will stay lit even though air is rushing past it.  This is where the
trick birthday candles come in.  Historically, pitch or tar was used,
the arrow smoldered more than burned fiercely in flight and relied on
the target being highly flammable, and had a much lower success rate
than in the movies.  Many arrows went out in flight or failed to ignite
whatever they landed on.  Even the successful ones actually smoldered
for quite some time before the fire really got going.  To burn down a
peasant village with flaming arrows, the peasants have to either not
notice the fire until it has enough time to really get going or they
have to be distracted with not getting themselves killed long enough for
the flames to get started.  I suspect that the vivid flaming they
generate in the movies comes from some system similar to the Olympic
Torches where there is a constant flow of fuel to keep the flame
burning.
Kerosene is easy to ignite and burns quickly with a bright flame.  Great
visual but wants to burn out quickly and really needs a constant supply
of fuel to keep going.  This is why they have soaked the target with
gasoline in the example.  Your brandy or other potable alcohol will have
much the same problem only worse because the alcohol content is actually
slight and will largely evaporate before you get it lit.
Pine pitch or tar is much harder to ignite and burns much more slowly
but doesn't have the same visual flaming effect.  It do better at
keeping the arrow lit through the whole flight and have a higher success
rate of actually igniting a target.
You need some combination of these two ideas, something that is hard to
put out (trick birthday candles) to keep re-igniting the other part what
burns quickly and goes out easily (kerosene).
Did I mention that this is dangerous?  Not only because of the obvious
fire hazard, but also because adding any weight to the tip of the arrow
will make it fly differently.  Deer and other big game hunters have
special inserts that they use with their practice tips to make the front
of the arrow weigh about the same as a broadhead tip so their shots will
fly the same.  The archer who is doing this shooting into the lake needs
to be aware of how much difference they have from the arrows they are
used to shooting so they don't fall short, miss the lake entirely and
start a forest fire.  The article's suggestion of 31" aluminum arrows is
good too.  Obviously, you would want shafts of some material other than
wood which leaves the choice between aluminum and carbon.  Aluminum is
much, much cheaper.  Get the longest shaft you can.  Normally an arrow
is only about an inch or so longer than your draw length.  In this case,
you want as much arrow sticking out between the front of your bow as you
can get so you have room for the flaming rag.
You probably could substitute something for the kerosene but I would
think alcoholic beverages would evaporate too quickly and burn out
pretty much before you even had a chance to shoot the arrow.  The amount
of kerosene doesn't have to be great.  They are soaking the front of the
inner cheesecloth and only dampening the outer one.  The outer layer
provides an easy ignition point and the inner wad a wetter source of
fuel that will wick outward and keep the fire supplied. The birthday
candles keep the whole thing hot enough that the fire doesn't go out.
Theoretically.  If you are worried about putting kerosene into the lake,
you could still get a good flame for a fair way with even less fuel.

Regards

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


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Message-ID: <b3333cd60601101316m29f9ce02u728415c98fc9d306 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:16:06 -0600
From: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: vector works
In-Reply-To: <list-26540452 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26540217 [at] prxy.net> <list-26540452 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/10/06, John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com> wrote:

> Each layer is a floor in the building, and each person in the building is
> assigned to the "Male" class, the "Female" class, or the "Pat" class.

I don't get it.....;-)

--
Patrick Immel
Lighting and Scenic Designer
Northwest Missouri State University
patrickimmel.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:23:40 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: vector works
In-reply-to: <list-26541742 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C425DC.5040502 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26540217 [at] prxy.net> <list-26540452 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26541742 [at] prxy.net>

Pat Immel wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On 1/10/06, John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Each layer is a floor in the building, and each person in the building is
>>assigned to the "Male" class, the "Female" class, or the "Pat" class.
> 
> 
> I don't get it.....;-)

Apparently you and Ms. Kight are in a class by yourselves.

Steve l.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: SETC Conference
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:33:13 -0500
Message-Id: <20060110213322.OFKQ20927.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

I seek the opinion of the fine members of this list...

What do you know about the SETC Conference
(http://www.setc.org/conventions/index.asp)?  Is it really "The country's
largest and most exciting annual theatre gathering"?

We are thinking of exhibiting (people often need to see wireless lighting in
action to fully grasp it's usefulness), but the USITT Stage Expo is only a
couple of weeks later and shows are expensive to be in.

What would you do if you were me?  (gulping a shot 'o whiskey and standing
back from the screen)

Thanks so much!

Jim Smith
www.theatrewireless.com



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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:37:10 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
In-reply-to: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C42906.7050006 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>

Jim at TheatreWireless.com wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------- 
> We are thinking of exhibiting (people often need to see wireless lighting in
> action to fully grasp it's usefulness), but the USITT Stage Expo is only a
> couple of weeks later and shows are expensive to be in.

My humble opinion is that USITT has a broader range.  But that's 
without ever having attended an SETC gathering.

> What would you do if you were me?  (gulping a shot 'o whiskey and standing
> back from the screen)

I'd offer a 90% discount to list members.  And a free bottle of 12 yr 
old single malt to first time buyers.  And a pony.  :-D

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060110134126.02066768 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:41:50 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
In-Reply-To: <list-26542105 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26542105 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:37 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

>I'd offer a 90% discount to list members.  And a free bottle of 12 
>yr old single malt to first time buyers.  And a pony.  :-D


And throw in one of our boxes to generate the DMX.  :)



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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From: "Ash Munro" <amunro [at] avcompany.com>
Subject: RE: SETC Conference
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:54:51 -0500
Message-ID: <00f101c61630$7e9bf870$6403a8c0 [at] charlottedt>
In-Reply-To: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>


Jim wrote:
>What do you know about the SETC Conference
>(http://www.setc.org/conventions/index.asp)?  Is it really "The country's
>largest and most exciting annual theatre gathering"?

It has been many moons, but my 3 or 4 visits were always as a college
student looking for a job, or looking to hire students when I was at Wolf
Trap Opera. Seemed most of the attendees were in one of the same boats,
looking to get a job or find a grad school. 

>What would you do if you were me?  (gulping a shot 'o whiskey...

And yes, there was a whole mess of that going on as well.

Ash Munro
Charlotte Division Manager
A&V Company
 




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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:57:28 GMT
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
Message-Id: <20060110.135818.3033.116174 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

Dear Jim,
Without question, I would exhibit at USITT, as it has a much better fit =
to your product. When you talk to Helen Willard, make sure that you also=
 reserve a slot at the 'New Products Showcase' presentation.
/s/ Richard
___________________________________
We are thinking of exhibiting (people often need to see wireless lightin=
g in action to fully grasp it's usefulness), but the USITT Stage Expo is=
 only a couple of weeks later and shows are expensive to be in.
What would you do if you were me?  =

Jim Smith



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Message-ID: <007d01c61631$71b12080$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:01:43 -0700

Kind of looks like a big time ACTF, with a job fair

Having been to their website and read the other posts.


IMHO, If one is the limit.

SETC Conference no
USITT  yes

oh, one other thing... lean back and sip it.

Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: SETC Conference


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I seek the opinion of the fine members of this list...
>
> What do you know about the SETC Conference
> (http://www.setc.org/conventions/index.asp)?  Is it really "The
country's
> largest and most exciting annual theatre gathering"?
>
> We are thinking of exhibiting (people often need to see wireless
lighting in
> action to fully grasp it's usefulness), but the USITT Stage Expo is
only a
> couple of weeks later and shows are expensive to be in.
>
> What would you do if you were me?  (gulping a shot 'o whiskey and
standing
> back from the screen)
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Jim Smith
> www.theatrewireless.com
>
>


------------------------------

From: "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
Subject: RE: SETC Conference
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:11:27 -0500
Message-ID: <011b01c61632$cd8466a0$d901a8c0 [at] nemetschek.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>

 Jim,

I've been an exhibitor at both shows.  Last year was our first year at SETC
and we are going back this year.

If budget is a concern and you can only go to one, then go to USITT.  It may
be a slightly different crowd for SETC since it is in Orlando this year, but
last year most of the people we saw at our booth were students.  It appeared
to be a much less technology oriented crowd then I have seen at USITT or
LDI.

It was a good show for us and we are going back again this year because we
want to get VectorWorks into the hands of students and teachers.
When all is said and done, SETC will be one of the least costly shows that
you can exhibit at.

Kevin

----------------------------
Kevin Linzey
Nemetschek North America
Integrated Products Engineer
-----------------------------

 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Jim at TheatreWireless.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:33 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: SETC Conference
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I seek the opinion of the fine members of this list...
> 
> What do you know about the SETC Conference 
> (http://www.setc.org/conventions/index.asp)?  Is it really 
> "The country's largest and most exciting annual theatre gathering"?
> 
> We are thinking of exhibiting (people often need to see 
> wireless lighting in action to fully grasp it's usefulness), 
> but the USITT Stage Expo is only a couple of weeks later and 
> shows are expensive to be in.
> 
> What would you do if you were me?  (gulping a shot 'o whiskey 
> and standing back from the screen)
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Jim Smith
> www.theatrewireless.com
> 


------------------------------

From: "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
Subject: RE: vector works
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:25:56 -0500
Message-ID: <011c01c61634$d3949b80$d901a8c0 [at] nemetschek.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26511876 [at] prxy.net>

Ken,

(First off, I work for the makers of VectorWorks, just so you know.)

From your message and signature, it looks like you are in an educational
enviroment.  When you talk to the sales person from Vectorworks, make sure
that know, because pricing for educational is much less then professional.  

Yes, VectorWorks is easy to learn, use and teach. 
One of the tings I like to point out is that it is easy to teach
VectorWorks, but is it also easy to teach drafting using VectorWorks.
Drafting is still a required skill and CAD just makes it easier for those
that know how to draft.  All the power and technology is available in
Vectorworks, but the interface allows you to control how much you expose at
any one time.

Check out: http://www.nemetschek.net/academic/index.php for more resources
and information.

Kevin

----------------------------
Kevin Linzey
Nemetschek North America
Integrated Products Engineer
-----------------------------

 





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: vector works
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> First off if this has been discussed recently I apologize.  I 
> checked the archives and could only view postings from 2004 and older.
> 
> 
> We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am 
> curious what others experiences have been with VectorWorks 
> Spotlight.  Is it easy to learn/use?  Any major problems?  
> Annoying quirks?  Is RenderWorks worth the extra money?  etc.  
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Ken Zinkl
> Auditorium Manager
> Fort Zumwalt South High School
> 


------------------------------

From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: SETC Conference
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:30:27 -0500
In-reply-to: <list-26542548 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20060110223036.ZCWO17035.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

> oh, one other thing... lean back and sip it.

I... I... I thnew... I knew I with... I wiz doonit... Rong. <Hiccup>



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Message-ID: <b7318c480601101456y63cdcf73k54665693e1a9a369 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:09 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
In-Reply-To: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26542038 [at] prxy.net>

Jim,

SETC caters primarily to high schools, community theatres, and
colleges.  You get a LOT more students at SETC than at USITT, so the
programing is less technical.
But, a lot of people attend.  ZFX is exhibiting at SETC this year for
the first time, so we think there is an audience there.

-Delbert

--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1b9.23121b0b.30f59a5f [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:16:47 EST
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)

In a message dated 10/01/06 20:50:43 GMT Standard Time, clmortimore [at] bsu.edu 
writes:

> All,
>  
>  I posed the question of "flaming arrows into a lake" to my Sister who is an
>  SCA member and an amateur archer . I shared the link to the archery PDF 
from
>  one of the previous responses. This is her response:

And, I trust, the definitive one. It sems to address all the problems. Bar 
one, which stems from a previous post about pollution meters, and inspectors who 
measure a threshold between 0 and 1 ppb (parts per billion) with a meter 
accurate to +/- 5 ppb. I can find no postable words to describe such stupidity.

Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <6CB099F8-2B91-4885-B74B-BAB586310109 [at] adelphia.net>
From: Seth Ricahardson <stagecraft [at] adelphia.net>
Subject: The Phantom of Opera" officially knocked off "Cats"  NEWS
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:17:41 -0500


( http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/theater/10phantom.html?ex=
1294549200&en=a5a78b58debc733b&ei=5088&partner=r
ssnyt&emc=rss  ) OR ( http://tinyurl.com/c9d89 )

After 7,486 chandelier crashes, gondola rides and dramatic endings,  
"The Phantom of Opera" officially became the longest-running show in  
Broadway history last night, knocking the musical "Cats" off its throne.

The "Phantom" coronation, at the Majestic Theater, was attended by  
all manner of Broadway royalty and presided over by the two men  
largely responsible not only for the new record-holder but also the  
previous long runner - the composer Andrew Lloyd Webber and the  
producer Cameron Mackintosh.

The two collaborated on both "Phantom," which opened in 1988, and  
"Cats," which played a mere 7,485 performances at the Winter Garden  
Theater from 1982 to 2000, when it closed.

For those that wonder here a list of the other longest running shows


1. The Phantom of the Opera*                 7,486
2. Cats                                                          7,485
3. Les Miserables                                       6,680
4. A Chorus Line                                         6,137
5. Oh! Calcutta (1976 Revival)                 5,959
6. Beauty and the Beast*                          4,812
7. Miss Saigon                                            4,092
8. Rent*                                                        4,033
9. Chicago (1996 Revival)*                      3,811
10. 42nd Street                                           3,486
* denotes shows that are currently playing
Seth Richardson

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060110152316.020560b8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:23:23 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
In-Reply-To: <list-26544102 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26544102 [at] prxy.net>

At 03:16 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>I can find no postable words to describe such stupidity.

Politician.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2d5.f55fe9.30f5a060 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:42:24 EST
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)

In a message dated 10/01/06 23:26:18 GMT Standard Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> At 03:16 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>  >I can find no postable words to describe such stupidity.
>  
>  Politician.

Now, that I take unkindly. I just try not to post bad language, temting 
though it sometimes is. I assure you that I have the vocabulary; it'sw just that 
this does not seem a suitable forum for displaying it.


Frank Wood

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:04:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
In-reply-to: <list-26544129 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <2154.172.135.19.88.1136948685.squirrel [at] 172.135.19.88>
References: <list-26544129 [at] prxy.net>

> ---------------------------------------------------

> After 7,486 chandelier crashes, gondola rides and dramatic endings,
> "The Phantom of Opera" officially became the longest-running show in
> Broadway history last night, knocking the musical "Cats" off its throne.

> The two collaborated on both "Phantom," which opened in 1988, and
> "Cats," which played a mere 7,485 performances at the Winter Garden
> Theater from 1982 to 2000, when it closed.

For those of you teaching at the college level, this means that the
current crop of freshmen have never known a world without "Phantom."

Steve


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Message-Id: <336e2b25b115ed0cc0a09d931bbec979 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Rabbit Ears
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:29:42 -0500

Delbert, I believe it was you that had a page posted on your old 
company web site showing "rabbit ears."  Are those pics still available 
somewhere or did someone copy them from his site that I might access?  
I wanted to show them to some colleagues.  Thanks

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.)
Subject: Re: I saw something beautiful last night
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:05:54 +0000
Message-Id: <011120060405.11329.43C48421000E0A5800002C4121587667200E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net>

 Unsnipped becauase the story is important...
Chris, 
great story, in a different time and a different place (NJ exit 105 Asbury Park) I was there. Probably why we still do those gigs....
Gerry G.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> >Chris - do tell.
> 
> *sigh*...  It was a friend in the industry's birthday party, 'All' (from
> the Descendents) headlined, a few local bands opened, and one of the bands
> that I toured with offered up their guitarist and lead singer to do an
> 'unplugged' set.  Their road manager, and close friend of mine, also showed
> up at the party, which might have been an issue if they hadn't already been
> on stage, because they had been spatting for the previous three months.
> The guys started into 'Ole Fifty-five' (Tom Waits song, covered by the
> Eagles), a song that the manager sang excellent harmonies on.  I stuffed a
> wireless in his face, he refused, I insisted, he refused again, I gave him
> the "What is this, high school?" look, and he started singing.  As he
> stolled through the crowd on his way to the stage, the looks of incredulity
> on the faces of the guys as I dialled him up in the monitor were priceless.
>  The looks that were exchanged as he took a chair between them on stage
> literally brought tears to my eyes, as, without a single word, an entire
> conversation took place with their eyes and expressions.  The smiles that
> they adopted as they finished the song needed no interpretation, as three
> friends left their animosity behind, and realised that their friendship was
> far more important than whatever it was that they were fighting about in
> the firs place.
> And that's when the cops showed up.  Right in the middle of two acoustic
> guitars accompanying three voices harmonizing beautifully, and told me that
> I had to shut it down, as there had been a noise complaint.  After 'All', a
> power trio alterna-thrash band with 2300 Watts of stage power between the
> guit amp and the bass amp (not to mention what I had there) and a drummer
> with double-oilskin Evans heads and sticks so large that they should still
> have had bark on them.
> I refused.
> It was sooooo beautiful.
> If you're interested in the Tucson music scene (back when there was one)
> "High and Dry" is showing in Portland in the coming week, and 'Giant Sand'
> will be playing, along with an old Tucsonan's new band.
> <http://www.upstairsfilm.com/highanddry/news.html>
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ
> 
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...



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Subject: RE: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:39:01 -0600
Message-ID: <5CF1C3D95785A143A3E33ACFD864609B03834689 [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu>
From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>



>>>For those of you teaching at the college level, this means that the =
current crop of freshmen have never known a world without "Phantom.">>>

Unless they have a good memory of being two... I think the majority of =
college frosh are from '86 as of right now...two more years though and =
we could be having the first crop of kids that were born as a result of =
a little after Phantom fun...

(sorry, it's very late and I'm about to open two shows, reality has =
taken a backseat to a very surreal world, you all know what I'm talking =
about...)

Ryan J. Zirngibl

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