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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #649

 1. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 2. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
 3. Re: SETC Conference
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 4. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 5. Another Certified Rigger
    by Maia Robbins-Zust <Maia.Robbins-Zust [at] williams.edu>
 6. AV Tech/Company  needed January 18 - Columbus, GA
    by Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
 7. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 8. Hallooo
    by "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
 9. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
10. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
11. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
12. Re: vector works
    by "rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
13. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
14. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
15. flaming arrow
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
16. Rosco Keystroke
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
17. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
18. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
19. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
20. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
21. RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
22. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
23. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
24. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
25. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
26. Colored fog
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
27. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
28. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
30. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
31. Re: flaming arrow
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
32. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
33. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Steve Jones" <steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org>
34. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
35. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
36. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
37. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
38. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
39. Photoshop Question
    by "Steve" <sschepker [at] charter.net>
40. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
41. Re: Photoshop Question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
42. Re: Photoshop Question
    by "Dre Suchoski" <DSuchoski [at] olneytheatre.org>
43. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
44. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
45. solenoids/SETC
    by "Bathum, Peter N." <BathumPN [at] interlochen.org>
46. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
47. Re: Colored fog
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
48. Re: Followspot Boomerang
    by Bob Frame <framer [at] cayuga-cc.edu>
49. Re: Photoshop Question
    by Stan Jensen <jense1s [at] cmich.edu>
50. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
51. Re: solenoids/SETC
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
52. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
53. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
54. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
55. Re: Followspot Boomerang
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
56. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
57. Re: solenoids/SETC
    by Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
58. Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
59. gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
60. Re: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
61. Re: Rosco Keystroke
    by Miles Dudgeon <mdudgeon [at] gmail.com>
62. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
63. Re: Colored fog
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
64. Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
65. Re: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
66. Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by Alan Schaefer <schaefera [at] wpunj.edu>
67. Re: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
68. Re: Colored fog
    by J Burch <jeanburch_td [at] yahoo.com>
69. Re: RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
    by Patrick McCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
70. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by Paul Schreiner <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
71. Re: Colored fog
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
72. Re: [SPAM?]  RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
73. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
74. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
75. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
76. Re: Another NEC Question
    by Mitch Hefter <stagecraft02 [at] DesignRelief.com>
77. Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
78. Re: Another NEC Question
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
79. Re: Rabbit Ears
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

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Message-ID: <b7318c480601110335n66123f06xd7425fe49ca16f09 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:35:40 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
In-Reply-To: <list-26549332 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26549332 [at] prxy.net>

Greg,

That site and those pictures age gone, but I can take new ones for
you. What exactly are you wanting?

Also, I saw a "new" design for rabbit ears that are used on WICKED.=20
The new version is made of steel and is much more compact.  It wis
definately more expensive to build, it is stronger.  This new design
is for synthetic ropes that are 5/8" in dia. or smaller.

Let me know how I can help you and I will send it to you.

-Delbert

--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

On 1/10/06, Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Delbert, I believe it was you that had a page posted on your old
> company web site showing "rabbit ears."  Are those pics still available
> somewhere or did someone copy them from his site that I might access?
> I wanted to show them to some colleagues.  Thanks
>
> Greg Bierly
> Technical Director
> Hempfield HS
>
>


--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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References: <list-26549332 [at] prxy.net> <list-26559203 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <1a9c9977a6a742b783679e6d193120b5 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:19:22 -0500

I remember the overall look of the unit and the operation.  I forget 
the details of the cam.  I remember it as very simple and of course as 
soon as I see it again I'll hit myself in the forehead and say "duh, 
that's it"  Of course I am always interested in seeing "new and 
improved."

Really a picture of the unit and a close up of the cam action of any 
unit you have would prove beneficial.  I am in no rush so when 
convenient either send them to me or let me know where you'll post 
them.  (Maybe Noah would be kind enough to post said photos on the 
stagecraft site)

Thanks


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:17:50 -0500
Subject: Re: SETC Conference
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BFEA7DBE.94B1%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26543691 [at] prxy.net>

Years ago we went to SETC primarily looking
for actors for our summer theatre.  There were
750 auditions in two days.  We also picked up
some tech folks, all of them very good.
Haven't been back lately.

Steve

> From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:09 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: SETC Conference
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Jim,
> 
> SETC caters primarily to high schools, community theatres, and
> colleges.  You get a LOT more students at SETC than at USITT, so the
> programing is less technical.
> But, a lot of people attend.  ZFX is exhibiting at SETC this year for
> the first time, so we think there is an audience there.
> 
> -Delbert
> 
> --
> Delbert L. Hall
> ZFX Flying Director
> Phone: 714-585-7070


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Subject: RE: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:30:34 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A92 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > The two collaborated on both "Phantom," which opened in 1988, and=20
> > "Cats," which played a mere 7,485 performances at the Winter Garden=20
> > Theater from 1982 to 2000, when it closed.
>=20
> For those of you teaching at the college level, this means=20
> that the current crop of freshmen have never known a world=20
> without "Phantom."

Thanks.  Really.  Just what I wanted to start my morning off with.
Especially considering I remember listening to the soundtrack from that
"brand-new" musical back in MY freshman year of college.  I recall
trying to read the Gaston Leroux novel with one eye while the other was
glued to the TV in the dorm lounge, watching the election returns...

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:54 -0500
From: Maia Robbins-Zust <Maia.Robbins-Zust [at] williams.edu>
Subject: Another Certified Rigger
Message-id: <43C525DA.9050708 [at] williams.edu>

Coming out of lurk mode to do a little dance and proudly announce that 
there's another certified rigger on the list!  A certified 'Girl' rigger 
even!

Hey Uncle Bill, do you know if we will ever get to find out which 
questions we got wrong and what the right answers were?  Now that I've 
passed the test, I find I'm really curious to know what my - ummm - 
"mistakes" were.

Maia Robbins-Zust
Technical Director
Williams College Dept. of Theatre



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Message-ID: <20060111153902.74541.qmail [at] web51708.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:39:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: AV Tech/Company  needed January 18 - Columbus, GA
In-Reply-To: <list-26530101 [at] prxy.net>

Looking for an AV Tech or company to handle a dinner
meeting in Columbus, GA on January 22, 2006.

If you are a tech we can drop ship the equipment. LCD
projector, laptop, projection screen. Set up 4:30pm,
Pick up 9:00pm. 

You can contact me at laza1 [at] dyventive.com or call
215-354-9200 ext 133.

Thanks,

Norman Lazarus

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:40:09 -0500
Message-ID: <000801c616c5$4e2df180$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26564150 [at] prxy.net>


> Coming out of lurk mode to do a little dance and proudly 
> announce that 
> there's another certified rigger on the list!  A certified 
> 'Girl' rigger 
> even!

Great, now we have to hire different people depending upon whether we want
to rigs girls or boys....


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Message-ID: <BAY12-F9F9A6715712439ADADCD9E0240 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Hallooo
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:42:14 +0000

Um am I on?  Got a message saying I am Bouncing from the Stagecraft Admin, 
far as I can tell, I am sitting still.

Moe



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Message-ID: <a04ef3ba16b05a3309759205bf607e57 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:44 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26564361 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26564361 [at] prxy.net>

On 10:40:09 am 01/11/06 "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >  Coming out of lurk mode to do a little dance and proudly
> >  announce that
> >  there's another certified rigger on the list!  A certified
> >  'Girl' rigger
> >  even!
>
> Great, now we have to hire different people depending upon whether we
> want to rigs girls or boys....
>


  Just remember that when you are rigging up a girl or a boy, 
fire sprinkler heads in your hotel room are *not* structural. 

  --Dale


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Message-ID: <000a01c616c5$d624eb70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26564361 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:43:58 -0800

>> Coming out of lurk mode to do a little dance and proudly
>> announce that
>> there's another certified rigger on the list!  A certified
>> 'Girl' rigger
>> even!
>
> Great, now we have to hire different people depending upon whether we want
> to rigs girls or boys....


John McK can show you how to denote the rigged girls and rigged boys using 
VectorWorks and classes....

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:45:44 -0500
Message-ID: <000901c616c6$15614630$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26564439 [at] prxy.net>


> > Great, now we have to hire different people depending upon 
> whether we 
> > want to rig girls or boys....
> 
> 
> John McK can show you how to denote the rigged girls and 
> rigged boys using 
> VectorWorks and classes....

I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.


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Message-Id: <200601111550.k0BFo8Ka010797 [at] ns1.ldassistant.com>
From: "rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
Subject: RE: vector works
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:49:59 -0600
In-Reply-To: <list-26543037 [at] prxy.net>

Ken,

I suggest that you take a look at all the programs and pick the one that
best works for you.

I am sure that you can find a lot of guys willing to tell you what they use
and how well they like the program that they use.

A common mistake that we see a lot of is someone taking the advice of
someone who has only has used one program and has no experience or limited
knowledge of other programs on the market, then after the purchase realizing
the mistake.

A CAD program is a tool; you should take a look at all the tools/commands
offered in the program before jumping into one. Each program has plus's and
minus's so pick wisely.

I am sure that most of the CAD companies will be at USITT showing their
products. Moreover, all CAD companies offer discounts to the educational
market. If you are going to be at USITT take the time to look at all the
programs then you will be able to make an intelligent decision based on your
needs.

Best regards,

Rufus Warren III

Design & Drafting Software Co.
  
Voice 708-499-0107
Fax Line 708-499-0046
E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com
Web Site www.design-drafting.com 

autodesk
authorized developer

HP
developer

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kevin
Linzey
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:26 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: vector works

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Ken,

(First off, I work for the makers of VectorWorks, just so you know.)

>From your message and signature, it looks like you are in an educational
enviroment.  When you talk to the sales person from Vectorworks, make sure
that know, because pricing for educational is much less then professional.  

Yes, VectorWorks is easy to learn, use and teach. 
One of the tings I like to point out is that it is easy to teach
VectorWorks, but is it also easy to teach drafting using VectorWorks.
Drafting is still a required skill and CAD just makes it easier for those
that know how to draft.  All the power and technology is available in
Vectorworks, but the interface allows you to control how much you expose at
any one time.

Check out: http://www.nemetschek.net/academic/index.php for more resources
and information.

Kevin

----------------------------
Kevin Linzey
Nemetschek North America
Integrated Products Engineer
-----------------------------

 





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: vector works
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> First off if this has been discussed recently I apologize.  I 
> checked the archives and could only view postings from 2004 and older.
> 
> 
> We are looking at purchasing new CAD software and I am 
> curious what others experiences have been with VectorWorks 
> Spotlight.  Is it easy to learn/use?  Any major problems?  
> Annoying quirks?  Is RenderWorks worth the extra money?  etc.  
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Ken Zinkl
> Auditorium Manager
> Fort Zumwalt South High School
> 



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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFEA9580.7623%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26564150 [at] prxy.net>

Hi guys.  Seeing as how we're in announcement mode, both my guys that took
the test, Mike Sapsis and list member Chris Harris, passed.  I ain't gonna
tell you who scored higher.

With regard to a test review, please check in with Katie at the ETCP. They
really don't want me answering questions because of my involvement with the
test.  She can give you the correct answer and the reasons for it.

Thanks
Bill S.
(yes, I am an ETCP Certified rigger also)

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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On 1/11/06 10:35 AM, "Maia Robbins-Zust" <Maia.Robbins-Zust [at] williams.edu>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Coming out of lurk mode to do a little dance and proudly announce that
> there's another certified rigger on the list!  A certified 'Girl' rigger
> even!
> 
> Hey Uncle Bill, do you know if we will ever get to find out which
> questions we got wrong and what the right answers were?  Now that I've
> passed the test, I find I'm really curious to know what my - ummm -
> "mistakes" were.
> 
> Maia Robbins-Zust
> Technical Director
> Williams College Dept. of Theatre
> 
> 



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In-Reply-To: <list-26559203 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26549332 [at] prxy.net> <list-26559203 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <65c017d22a39799f876e392553db9032 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:16 -0500

Thanks to Delbert and Richard.  I got what I needed.  To bad every 
industry doesn't have a resource like this list.


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Message-ID: <20060111161024.69336.qmail [at] web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:10:24 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: flaming arrow
In-Reply-To: <list-26558608 [at] prxy.net>

> At 03:16 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>  >I can find no postable words to describe such
stupidity.
>  
>  Politician.

>>Now, that I take unkindly. I just try not to post
>>bad language, temting 
>>though it sometimes is. I assure you that I have
>>the vocabulary; it'sw 
>>just that this does not seem a suitable forum for
>>displaying it.

Frank, me thinks he was offering POLITICIAN as a
postable word, and not calling you one.


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

__________________________________________________
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Message-Id: <b38df1918a2f2f63c93e12eb23dc7873 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Rosco Keystroke
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:18:19 -0500

I am looking at Rosco's new Keystroke for a production in March.  Has 
anyone had their hands on it yet?  It only lists PC operation.  Has 
anyone tried it with Mac?  I did browse the manual.  It looks like it 
is just the software is written for PC.  As far as I can tell the 
hardware just duplicates keyboard keystrokes (thus the name) so it 
might work on a Mac since I use USB keyboards interchangeably between 
platforms if you can just map the USB commands to a specific key.  
Anyone (those from Rosco included)?  Thought for Rosco, could you not 
include the sofware onboard to duplicate a keyboard with some dipswitch 
mapping.  I know nothing about what I am suggesting.  It might make it 
a little less user friendly to program but would take less software on 
the operating computer.  Just thinking out loud.  Looks like a cool 
product.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:28:37 -0800
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
In-reply-to: <list-26564483 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C53235.2000303 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
References: <list-26564483 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>  
>
>>>Great, now we have to hire different people depending upon 
>>>      
>>>
>>whether we 
>>    
>>
>>>want to rig girls or boys....
>>>      
>>>
>>John McK can show you how to denote the rigged girls and 
>>rigged boys using 
>>VectorWorks and classes....
>>    
>>
>
>I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.
>
>
>  
>
I've heard that one before...

Carla

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In-Reply-To: <list-26564483 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26564483 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <48D47207-CC5E-46CF-B6E4-25802F27CDF3 [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:02:04 -0800


On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

> I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.

I don't know, I've known some guys who are really hard to tell from  
girls (an ex-housemate was the queen of TGSF.org).  There's also been  
a few girls that could pass as guys.  :)


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Message-ID: <007701c616d3$978f0180$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26564483 [at] prxy.net> <list-26565963 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:22:22 -0700

Are we going to go there?  Oh please, lets not go there!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:
>
 > I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.
>
> I don't know, I've known some guys who are really hard to tell from
> girls (an ex-housemate was the queen of TGSF.org).  There's also been
> a few girls that could pass as guys.  :)
>


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Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:29:00 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A93 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

>  > I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.
> >
> > I don't know, I've known some guys who are really hard to tell from=20
> > girls (an ex-housemate was the queen of TGSF.org).  There's=20
> also been=20
> > a few girls that could pass as guys.  :)
> >
> Are we going to go there?  Oh please, lets not go there!

Go THERE?  I'd-a thunk any requests about not going "there" woulda been
in reference to the hotel-room-sprinkler-head comment...

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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV1449EC0B00B693CB3BA226DF240 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:30:34 -0600
Message-ID: <001c01c616d4$bb14acd0$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>

I just wanted to update the results of my search for RGB dimmable
fluorescents for those that are interested.
I did find several manufacturers of these units.
A company called Brightlines has
them(http://www.brightlines.com/seriestwo/index.htm).
LDDE systems out of Vienna also has
some(http://www.ldde.com/ENGLISH/PRODUCTS/EProducts.html)
And Martin has one
(http://sse.martin.com/product/product.asp?product=stagecyclo)

I was unable to find anyone who had any of these products for rent.
I did find that The Dallas Theatre Center (thanks to Fred Schoening) had
some single color dimmable fluorescents from L&E. Since we could not find
any RGB's the designer decided to go with the single color ones.

I can report that these units worked very nicely for us. No need for
separate ballasts or any complicated wiring, just plug into a dimmer like
any other light. There is a pop on but a little creative cueing bringing
them on in an otherwise bright cue and most of the audience will never see
it.

Laura McMeley
Resident Lighting Coordinator
The Dallas Opera
972-333-5016
http://www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:39:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFEAAD04.A1B4%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26566548 [at] prxy.net>

Wait! Where was this scandalous story? What thread did I miss?

You guys gotta give a shout out for fun stuff like that in otherwise boring
arguments with Frank Wood.



On 1/11/06 12:29 PM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:


> 
> Go THERE?  I'd-a thunk any requests about not going "there" woulda been
> in reference to the hotel-room-sprinkler-head comment...
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Message-ID: <008001c616d7$63c1c1e0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26566548 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:49:36 -0700

I think any rigger has already been there.!
There are "good" hotels and not so good hotels. (ahem)
and I'm pretty sure, Bill S can input here, that THAT was not part of
the test!
And I doubt there are any "recognized publications" of study materials
for such if it is.
(To quote Judge Alito:  "I don't recollect reading that")

And congrats to the newly certified.       male, female, and "Pats"

Come March I'll see if I'm certifiable

Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

>  > I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.
> >
> > I don't know, I've known some guys who are really hard to tell from
> > girls (an ex-housemate was the queen of TGSF.org).  There's
> also been
> > a few girls that could pass as guys.  :)
> >
> Are we going to go there?  Oh please, lets not go there!

Go THERE?  I'd-a thunk any requests about not going "there" woulda been
in reference to the hotel-room-sprinkler-head comment...


------------------------------

Message-ID: <71da477388ff55549ccedad4f0822f58 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:48:36 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26566730 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26566730 [at] prxy.net>

On 12:39:32 pm 01/11/06 Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Wait! Where was this scandalous story? What thread did I miss?
>
> You guys gotta give a shout out for fun stuff like that in otherwise
> boring arguments with Frank Wood.
>
  While I wasn't personally there, a couple of friends of mine were 
there.   I was actually up in baltimore working on another convention.  
To make a long and amusing story short.  There was a private party 
in a hotel room at a convention.  The man and woman involved found 
out about 4am sunday morning that the sprinkler head would not hold 
the weight of one of them.   My friends had the room directly 
underneath them, and were awoken by the water dripping down.  

Google for disclave and discwave.  That should find many accounts 
of the incident, and the song written to commemorate it.  

  --Dale


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Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:09:26 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A95 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net

> Google for disclave and discwave.  That should find many accounts=20
> of the incident, and the song written to commemorate it. =20

Tried, but only got two hits, and they were both pointing to a
discussion thread from rec.arts.sf.fandom that involved a hypothetical
disclave of size 0 (or something like that).

------------------------------

Subject: Colored fog
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:17:02 -0800
Message-ID: <AE704B0123616D4BBE8BD0A464A0FD294518A8 [at] ESERVER.mail.local>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

Ladies and Gentlemen:

I'm in the middle of "blue sky" design for a job right now, and one of
my partners-in-crime swears on a 12-pack of very good beer that he saw
mention of a colored fog system here on the list at some time during the
last couple of months.

Now, personally the only inherently colored fog I've ever dealt with was
actually a smoke, generated from either a burning product or from a pyro
charge (OK, basically the same thing with different durations of
generation).  Other than that, it's always been a case of coloring the
fog with light.

Anybody out there know of a colored fog system that I've stupidly
managed to miss?  Or am I going to be enjoying a 12-pack of Boulevard
Brewing Company Nutcracker Ale in the near future?

(if somebody *does* know of such a system, I'd really, really appreciate
any info you could pass along...both posted to the list and directly, as
I think I'm missing the digest about every 3rd or 4th time...)

Thanks - and a Happy New Year to everybody!

Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
www.thinkwelldesign.com <http://www.thinkwelldesign.com/>=20
=20


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:16:08 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
In-reply-to: <list-26567470 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C54B68.6050608 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26567470 [at] prxy.net>

Paul Schreiner wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>>Google for disclave and discwave.  That should find many accounts 
>>of the incident, and the song written to commemorate it.  
> 
> 
> Tried, but only got two hits, and they were both pointing to a
> discussion thread from rec.arts.sf.fandom that involved a hypothetical
> disclave of size 0 (or something like that).

Google "disclave" and "sprinkler."  Tons of hits about the incident, 
including pics of the lobby.

No pics of the rig, sadly.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <e3.237ea779.30f6a657 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:20:07 EST
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)

In a message dated 10/01/06 23:42:59 GMT Standard Time, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 
writes:

> jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:
>  
>  > At 03:16 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>  >  >I can find no postable words to describe such stupidity.
>  >  
>  >  Politician.
>  
>  Now, that I take unkindly. I just try not to post bad language, tempting 
>  though it sometimes is. I assure you that I have the vocabulary; it's just 
> that 
>  this does not seem a suitable forum for displaying it.

Having just re-read this post, it struck me that 'politician' is indeede a 
good word for applying to terminally stupid people. Perhaps that was what was 
meant.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <79.53fba1b4.30f6a8c0 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:30:24 EST
Subject: Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS

In a message dated 11/01/06 06:39:33 GMT Standard Time, ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu 
writes:

> >>>For those of you teaching at the college level, this means that the 
> current crop of freshmen have never known a world without "Phantom.">>>

From the other side of the pond, who can remember a world without "The 
Mousetrap"? This opened in 1952, and is still running in the West End.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:34:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <BFEAB9D4.30EF%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-26564920 [at] prxy.net>

Greg, Delbert or Richard,

I too would like to see your "rabbit ear" photos.

We have a few here but I am not sure who made them and/or how they might
compare to others.

Does anyone have drawings?

Thank you

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2d5.100bc3a.30f6ab48 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:41:12 EST
Subject: Re: flaming arrow

In a message dated 11/01/06 16:11:00 GMT Standard Time, b_ricie [at] yahoo.com 
writes:

> Frank, me thinks he was offering POLITICIAN as a
>  postable word, and not calling you one.

 Yes. When I read the post again tonight, that struck me. A bit of 
punctuation would have helped. "Politician!" had I been right the first time: 
"'politician'" if the second interpretation is true, as I think it is. These funny 
symbols are sometimes useful.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <22d.48c7a92.30f6ac1f [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:44:47 EST
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger

In a message dated 11/01/06 16:29:37 GMT Standard Time, 
admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com writes:

> I've heard that one before...

 Well, there are tests which can be applied.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: "Steve Jones" <steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org>
Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:46:33 -0600
Organization: Plaza Theatre
In-Reply-To: <list-26567470 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000026568395 [at] prxy.net>

Google for "disclave" and "sprinkler"

Steve 


*************************************
Steve Jones, Director
Plaza Theatre
115 E. Main Street
Glasgow, KY  42141
Voice: (270) 361-2101
Fax: (270) 834-8147
http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org


The Spencers-Theatre of Illusion
Sunday, February 12, 2006, 7:00 PM

An Evening With Groucho
Saturday, April 22, 2006, 7:00 PM


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: Stagecraft
Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> Google for disclave and discwave.  That should find many accounts of 
> the incident, and the song written to commemorate it.

Tried, but only got two hits, and they were both pointing to a discussion
thread from rec.arts.sf.fandom that involved a hypothetical disclave of size
0 (or something like that).




------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:47:15 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
In-reply-to: <list-26568349 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43C552B3.2000508 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26568349 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In a message dated 11/01/06 16:29:37 GMT Standard Time, 
> admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com writes:
> 
> 
>>I've heard that one before...
> 
> 
>  Well, there are tests which can be applied.

But first we'd have to assemble a panel of Subject Matter Experts to 
define the scope of the test...

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <b7318c480601111050n4a56f814r110f16fd8efa1da2 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:50:44 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
In-Reply-To: <list-26568124 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26564920 [at] prxy.net> <list-26568124 [at] prxy.net>

OK, it seems that there is interest in rabbit ears again.  I will set
up a web site with photos and a link to download a CAD drawing.

-Delbert



On 1/11/06, Curtis L. Mortimore <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Greg, Delbert or Richard,
>
> I too would like to see your "rabbit ear" photos.
>
> We have a few here but I am not sure who made them and/or how they might
> compare to others.
>
> Does anyone have drawings?
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> Curtis L. Mortimore
> Technical Director
> Ball State University
> Department of Theatre and Dance
> Muncie, IN 47306
> <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
>
>


--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <9d.6f293305.30f6ae14 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:53:08 EST
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger

In a message dated 11/01/06 17:02:47 GMT Standard Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> > I've never really had a problem with denoting the difference.
>  
>  I don't know, I've known some guys who are really hard to tell from  
>  girls (an ex-housemate was the queen of TGSF.org).  There's also been  
>  a few girls that could pass as guys.  :)

There are some tests which may be applied by observation. The need to shave 
is obvious; so is the relation of the ears to the jaw line. The pattern of the 
body mass is significant. After that, experiment may be needed.


Frank Wood

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFEABF30.7660%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26566996 [at] prxy.net>

OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or certification
tests?  It's important to recognize the difference.
<<gg>>
Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>








On 1/11/06 12:49 PM, "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I think any rigger has already been there.!
> There are "good" hotels and not so good hotels. (ahem)
> and I'm pretty sure, Bill S can input here, that THAT was not part of
> the test!
> And I doubt there are any "recognized publications" of study materials
> for such if it is.
> (To quote Judge Alito:  "I don't recollect reading that")
> 
> And congrats to the newly certified.       male, female, and "Pats"
> 
> Come March I'll see if I'm certifiable
> 
> Robert Riddle
> Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
> Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060111120108.00cfe2e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:01:08
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)

>>  I posed the question of "flaming arrows into a lake" to my Sister who
is an
>>  SCA member and an amateur archer .

Never, never ask an SCA member.  You will get far more answer than you are
prepared for, including precedence and historical references and etymology.
 I'm surprised she didn't tell you what the archer should be wearing to
make it period-correct.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that thy're bad
people (I'm actually going to war next month) I'm just saying that you
gotta be careful standing that close to Pandora's box.
OTOH, wouldn't sparklers be the solution you;re looking for?  They'll stay
lit in flight, glow brightly, and extinguish when they hit the lake.
They'll also balance better on the shaft of an arrow, and present a far
smaller aero silhouette.
						
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <009e01c616e1$700953f0$7e640847 [at] D78YGH41>
From: "Steve" <sschepker [at] charter.net>
Subject: Photoshop Question
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:01:32 -0600

Greetings,
I created an image in Photoshop CS.  It is 1-1/2" X 3-1/2".  
I flattened it.  
Selected it. 
Copied it and then tried to paste it in another image.
When I paste it, it is not the same dimensions.  
It is much larger.

What am I doing wrong?

I'm sure it is something simple, but the Mac is about to go out the window.

Thanks in advance,
Steve Schepker
Southeastern Louisiana University

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:05:23 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A97 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or=20
> certification tests? =20

I think the question was revolving around whether there were any items
on the certification test regarding proper methods for the, um,
specialized rigging involved in the activities that the couple in the
incident mentioned (found it, thanks!) were partaking of...

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Photoshop Question
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:07:35 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A98 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Copied it and then tried to paste it in another image.
> When I paste it, it is not the same dimensions. =20
> It is much larger.
>=20
> What am I doing wrong?

Check the resolution of the two different images.  Photoshop doesn't
work strictly with inchwise measurements...if one pic is, say, at 300
dpi and another is at 72 dpi, the images won't match
overall-dimension-wise.

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Subject: RE: Photoshop Question
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:12:02 -0500
Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BE3BF [at] stage.OTC.local>
From: "Dre Suchoski" <DSuchoski [at] olneytheatre.org>

Check under Image Size for both the iamge you have created and the image
you are trying to cut and paste into - make sure both are the same
resolution (100 dpi) or so.

D'oh! Paul beat me to it!

Dre=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:02 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Photoshop Question

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Greetings,
I created an image in Photoshop CS.  It is 1-1/2" X 3-1/2". =20
I flattened it. =20
Selected it.=20
Copied it and then tried to paste it in another image.
When I paste it, it is not the same dimensions. =20
It is much larger.

What am I doing wrong?

I'm sure it is something simple, but the Mac is about to go out the
window.

Thanks in advance,
Steve Schepker
Southeastern Louisiana University

------------------------------

From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c0.35889ab4.30f6b618 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:27:20 EST
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger

Maia.Robbins-Zust [at] williams.edu writes:
<< Hey Uncle Bill, do you  know if we will ever get to find out which 
questions we got wrong and what the  right answers were?  Now that I've passed the 
test, I find I'm really  curious to know what my - ummm - "mistakes" were.>>
 
Maia - 
 
I highly doubt you'll get the specific questions from your personal exam.  
Standardized test makers can't reveal individual questions and correct  answers 
because it compromises the reliability of the test. Every  question that is on 
a test like this is reviewed for correctness, bias, the  quality of the 
"distractors" (wrong answers) , variety among other test items,  and the amount of 
time it takes to answer. Think back to the questions that you  weren't 100% 
certain of the answer then write to one of the SME's asking their  advice - they 
are the experts after all. Most likely the questions you weren't  certain of 
are the ones you didn't get.
 
A better bet would be to post the question to this list WITHOUT IDENTIFYING  
IT AS A TEST QUESTION. This would enable all of us to learn but won't tip us 
off  to "this is one we need to know for the test."
 
Kristi
 

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Message-ID: <b7318c480601111134n52829ad2q89ec70da09169d3f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:34:19 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
In-Reply-To: <list-26568495 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26564920 [at] prxy.net> <list-26568124 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-26568495 [at] prxy.net>

A photo and CAD file for Rabbit Ears can be found at

http://delberthall.tripod.com/rabbit_ears/

-Delbert
--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Subject: solenoids/SETC
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:35:40 -0500
Message-ID: <07CD33F538554F4296136A9003B2A5E105652FE4 [at] icaexch.interlochen.org>
From: "Bathum, Peter N." <BathumPN [at] interlochen.org>

I am executing a design for a stage play that requires several fabric
panels to drop.  I haven't used solenoids in quite a while, but would
like to use them for this purpose.  Is there a source for info on these
beasts that someone can point me to?  I tried the archives but they
weren't working.  Google brought up a lot of electronics suppliers...I
would be using 2 per panel, 6 panels, and want them all to release at
once.  I am purchasing a pair to experiment with but would appreciate
further information.  I remember the thread was pretty active back in
the 90's but can't recall all of the info. I think it would be easiest
to just use devices rated for 120v ac so I can avoid a transformer but
am interested to hear other thoughts.  I plan to run all these off a
single stage dimmer.  I work in a thrust stage with no fly system, wire
mesh grid.  I am thinking of having the wiring run down from the top of
the posts and off stage under the deck, since they are 5 feet short of
the grid. =20

I've been to SETC each year, for the past three, to hire staff for the
theatre division of our summer camp. Even though we are way up north in
the tip of the mitten here in Michigan I travel to this conf. because
there are many qualified individuals looking for summer work.  I have
asked and people tell me that they come to SETC since this is the
largest pool of potential employers for their buck.

It's great to see the list is still going; long time list addict
returning to the fold.  Thanks for any help and/or derisive banter.

Peter Bathum
Production Manager
Theatre Division
bathumpn [at] interlochen.org
T (231) 276-7414
F (231) 276-7879


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Message-ID: <00de01c616e8$d0c60560$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco>
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
References: <list-26568739 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:54:19 -0800

>>>  I posed the question of "flaming arrows into a lake" to my Sister who
> is an
>>>  SCA member and an amateur archer .

  Maybe we should consider a more traditional 'stagecraft technique' 
oriented solution.

  Imagine the 'arrow's' shaft as a straight length of coat hanger wire. 
Lining the wire, firmly duct-taped in place, would be a row of AA batteries. 
This shaft will have more visual weight, a 'good thing' since we want to see 
the arrow travel, and more weight, which should slow its travel, also a 
'good thing' for increasing visibility, and it carries its own power source. 
The wire of the shaft provides a return path to the head of the arrow, which 
is a small electric fan, oriented to blow at and agitate a set of silk 
ribbons in various flame colors, also a 'good thing' for visibility, and 
offering no chance for the flame effect to be extinguished by the wind of 
the arrow's flight.  The action of the fan will also aid in overcoming the 
drag of the unusually large mass of the arrowhead, by assisting in providing 
motive power, and the trailing ribbons will aid in the stability of the 
flight, much in the manner of the fletches on an arrow or the tail of a 
kite, though nowhere near as efficiently, of course.  And, best of all, no 
kerosene will go into the lake. 


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Message-ID: <d92d2d783429f88b8471c22590fee385 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:53:49 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Colored fog
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26567582 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26567582 [at] prxy.net>

On 1:17:02 pm 01/11/06 "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen:
>
> I'm in the middle of "blue sky" design for a job right now, and one of
> my partners-in-crime swears on a 12-pack of very good beer that he saw
> mention of a colored fog system here on the list at some time during
> the last couple of months.
>
> Now, personally the only inherently colored fog I've ever dealt with
> was actually a smoke, generated from either a burning product or from
> a pyro charge (OK, basically the same thing with different durations
> of generation).  Other than that, it's always been a case of coloring
> the fog with light.
>
> Anybody out there know of a colored fog system that I've stupidly
> managed to miss?  Or am I going to be enjoying a 12-pack of Boulevard
> Brewing Company Nutcracker Ale in the near future?
>
> (if somebody *does* know of such a system, I'd really, really
> appreciate any info you could pass along...both posted to the list
> and directly, as I think I'm missing the digest about every 3rd or
> 4th time...)
> Thanks - and a Happy New Year to everybody!
>

  It was probably a garbled memory of the post about the race 
car tire company that had found a formulation for tire rubber 
that produced colored smoke during a 'burnout' manuver.  IIRC, 
they had red and blue available in prototype. 

  --Dale


------------------------------

Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE4423 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu>
From: Bob Frame <framer [at] cayuga-cc.edu>
Subject: re: Followspot Boomerang
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:01:59 -0500

Okay I asked the initial question regarding Frame 1
close or far from Op.  (it seems the consensus was 
close but it varies depending on the space) However
it seems that the "fun" got a little out of hand.  
I certainly hope that no one really was trying to 
denigrate the work of the Draft Standards committee.
It seems like a lot of work has been done creating
and updating the standards that we squints use when
drafting our plots.  Will I slavishly adhere to the 
"standard"? No- there are things that I need to denote
on a plot that are specific to my situation and the "standard"
allows for such variations.  Will I use the "standard" as 
much as possible and teach it? Yes! Anyone needs to be 
able to look at a plot and easily cull information 
from it- standardization makes that easier
Will I sometimes wear my left sock on my right foot-
probably because I didn't know there was a way to tell
them apart- Maybe we do need a USITT Sock Standard!

If you haven't already, check out the proposed standard at
http://www.usitt.org/standards/UsittRP-2v5.html

BTW- I was just at the site and one word that I have left 
out is "Recommended". What the Committee has written is a
"Recommended practice" not a "Standard".  So have no fear you 
anarchists out there.  The USITT Non-conformity Police won't
be beating you about the head with a T-square if you use un-
sanctioned symbols!!!!! 

Bob

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In-Reply-To: <list-26568766 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26568766 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <89AF6621-9767-4001-82B6-F7C278920997 [at] cmich.edu>
From: Stan Jensen <jense1s [at] cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Photoshop Question
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:22:48 -0500

On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Steve wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> . . . I created an image in Photoshop CS.  It is 1-1/2" X 3-1/2".
> I flattened it.
> Selected it.
> Copied it and then tried to paste it in another image.
> When I paste it, it is not the same dimensions.
> It is much larger.
>
> What am I doing wrong?



Check your pixels/inch resolution. I am guessing they are not the  
same for each picture.




Stan Jensen

Central Michigan University
Department of Speech Communication and Dramatic Art
Moore 242
Mount Pleasant, MI  48859

(989) 774-1990  office
(989) 774-2498  fax


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Message-ID: <00ed01c616ed$7ae58440$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26568665 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:27:44 -0700

For the sake of brevity I defer to the post of same topic by
Mister P Schreiner

Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or certification
> tests?  It's important to recognize the difference.
> <<gg>>
> Bill S.
> www.sapsis-rigging.com
> 800.727.7471
> 800.292.3851  fax
> 267.278.4561 mobile
>
> Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country
charity
> motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/11/06 12:49 PM, "Idaho Scenic and Rigging"
<idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
> wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I think any rigger has already been there.!
> > There are "good" hotels and not so good hotels. (ahem)
> > and I'm pretty sure, Bill S can input here, that THAT was not part
of
> > the test!
> > And I doubt there are any "recognized publications" of study
materials
> > for such if it is.
> > (To quote Judge Alito:  "I don't recollect reading that")
> >
> > And congrats to the newly certified.       male, female, and "Pats"
> >
> > Come March I'll see if I'm certifiable
> >
> > Robert Riddle
> > Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
> > Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning
>
>


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Subject: RE: solenoids/SETC
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:37:24 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E081 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

We have theses device in our inventory that we've had specially
manufactured for similar purposes- that we call "curtain droppers".  We
do lots of corporate "reveals" and the like in our Production
Department, and have used these with great success.  They can be hung
via c-clamp or half-coupler and trigger off 120V. =20

If you want more information, or think these might do the trick for you,
please feel free to e-mail me off list, or call if you wish.

Abby
On Location Lighting Systems, Inc.
859-426-5500=20
www.onlocationls.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Bathum, Peter N. [mailto:BathumPN [at] interlochen.org]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:36 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: solenoids/SETC




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Message-ID: <012001c616ef$96b5a7c0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26568739 [at] prxy.net> <list-26569887 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:42:47 -0700

YHGTBK?

Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>  I posed the question of "flaming arrows into a lake" to my Sister
who
> > is an
> >>>  SCA member and an amateur archer .
>
>   Maybe we should consider a more traditional 'stagecraft technique'
> oriented solution.
>
>   Imagine the 'arrow's' shaft as a straight length of coat hanger
wire.
> Lining the wire, firmly duct-taped in place, would be a row of AA
batteries.
> This shaft will have more visual weight, a 'good thing' since we want
to see
> the arrow travel, and more weight, which should slow its travel, also
a
> 'good thing' for increasing visibility, and it carries its own power
source.
> The wire of the shaft provides a return path to the head of the arrow,
which
> is a small electric fan, oriented to blow at and agitate a set of silk
> ribbons in various flame colors, also a 'good thing' for visibility,
and
> offering no chance for the flame effect to be extinguished by the wind
of
> the arrow's flight.  The action of the fan will also aid in overcoming
the
> drag of the unusually large mass of the arrowhead, by assisting in
providing
> motive power, and the trailing ribbons will aid in the stability of
the
> flight, much in the manner of the fletches on an arrow or the tail of
a
> kite, though nowhere near as efficiently, of course.  And, best of
all, no
> kerosene will go into the lake.
>


------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:45:09 -0500
Message-ID: <000201c616ef$e9708ca0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26568665 [at] prxy.net>

 
> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or 
> certification tests? 

Yes.


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Subject: RE: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:49:26 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A9A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or=20
> certification tests? =20

Of course, I coulda been mistaken, and the OP mighta been asking for
your input on which hotels actually have sprinkler pipes that could
handle significant loads...

------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Followspot Boomerang
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:49:54 -0500
Message-ID: <000601c616f0$937183d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26570077 [at] prxy.net>

=20
> Okay I asked the initial question regarding Frame 1
> close or far from Op.

I don't see where it's the designer's business whether Frame #1 is close =
or
far.  As long as I get the color I want when I want it, how it gets =
there is
the operator's business.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <013101c616f1$78a422f0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-26571486 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:56:18 -0700

I have a working list... Thank You
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or
> certification tests?

Of course, I coulda been mistaken, and the OP mighta been asking for
your input on which hotels actually have sprinkler pipes that could
handle significant loads...


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43C572D5.7050003 [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:04:21 -0500
From: Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Reply-To:  Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com
Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc
Subject: Re: solenoids/SETC
References: <list-26569594 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26569594 [at] prxy.net>

I have several mounted to a truss unit I thought it would be good to 
rent, I need to remove them as the are really no good as a rentel the 
way they are.  If you were closer, I would let you borrow them for the 
labor of re-configuring them.  They are 120v, and I think theyh are 
washingmachine parts.  Power ON opens them, and our controler has two 
spring switchews that must be fired together to get them to release.

Be sure to visit me at SETC, it will be the second show I've exhibited 
at... kinda getting my feet wet slowly with the expo stuff.

-- 
Barney Simon
JC Hansen Co., Inc
Drapes Drops and Dance Floors

423 West 43rd Street, NYC
212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189
JCHansen.com
866-988-8055



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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:09:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Another Certified Rigger
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFEADE3E.7684%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26571319 [at] prxy.net>

Don't take one while staying in the other????




On 1/11/06 3:45 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>  
>> OK.  Confused.  Do you want my input on sleazy hotels or
>> certification tests?
> 
> Yes.
> 



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Message-ID: <20060111212342.15062.qmail [at] web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
In-Reply-To: <list-26568569 [at] prxy.net>

--- FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> > > I've never really had a problem with denoting
> the difference.

> There are some tests which may be applied by
> observation. The need to shave  is obvious; so 
> is the relation of the ears to the jaw line. 
> The pattern of the body mass is significant. 
> After that, experiment may be needed. 
> 
> Frank Wood
> 

I could point to individuals around this town that
could confuse any or all of Frank's tests.

         Jacki
     Northampton MA

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

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Subject: RE: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:32:54 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A9B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I could point to individuals around this town that
> could confuse any or all of Frank's tests.

As could one of my college roommates.

You know a guy for four years, been roomies for two of them, but the
first time you see him in drag--if he's good--you're still liable to get
whiplash from the double-take.

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Message-ID: <6947c8d40601111338s59c6c19cg3f43f8c2d6195007 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:38:03 -0500
From: Miles Dudgeon <mdudgeon [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rosco Keystroke
In-Reply-To: <list-26565134 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26565134 [at] prxy.net>

Greg,

Right now Keystroke only works on Windows XP with a Mac version
currently in the works.

The software does exactly as you said; it duplicates keyboard actions
based on the DMX value. However the hardware does not register as a
keyboard to the computer. The setup software lets the user define what
the keystrokes are. You can define multiple button presses or
sequences of presses that fire when a specific DMX value is hit.
Technically you can define 255 different "keystrokes". This setup file
lives on your computer, not on the hardware, so the application
actually needs to be running for it all to work.

The flexibility of the product makes it really hard to setup with some
sort of dipswitch system. Keystroke was originally designed just for
PowerPoint, but it's great for all sorts of programs, sound playback,
video stuff, Word, etc. One of our test shows used it to trigger DVD
playback. The show was "Captain Louie" at the Little Shubert Theatre
in NYC.  Right now the show is preparing for a North American tour and
they plan on continuing to use Keystroke.

Feel free to email me with any questions. On the list or at miles (at)
rosco (dot) com

Regards,

Miles Dudgeon
Rosco Product Manager

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Subject: RE: Flaming arrows(rather long)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:41:56 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A9C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I suspect that the vivid flaming they generate in=20
> the movies comes from some system similar to the Olympic=20
> Torches where there is a constant flow of fuel to keep the=20
> flame burning.=20

I haven't been following this thread too closely (maybe time to check
the gmail account?), but didn't they light the flame at one of the
recent Olympics with just this trick--an archer shooting a flaming
arrow?  Anyone know what they used on the arrow for that?

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060111135359.0205eef0 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:54:47 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Colored fog
In-Reply-To: <list-26567582 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26567582 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:17 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>Anybody out there know of a colored fog system that I've stupidly
>managed to miss?  Or am I going to be enjoying a 12-pack of Boulevard
>Brewing Company Nutcracker Ale in the near future?

Skylighter.com had an advertisement for multi-colored smoke, but it 
was just a good job with Photoshop (they have fake products at times).


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2c7.1af8cd5.30f6ed88 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:23:52 EST
Subject: Re: Flaming arrows(rather long)

In a message dated 11/01/06 19:51:50 GMT Standard Time, taco [at] peak.org writes:

>   Maybe we should consider a more traditional 'stagecraft technique' 
>  oriented solution.

You forgot the red and yellow LEDs to illuminate the silk flames. But you are 
pulling our corporate plonkers! OTOH, as a coarse assessment of 'stagecraft 
technique' it's pretty fair. 

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <154.5f56bac2.30f6ef88 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:32:24 EST
Subject: Re: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger

In a message dated 11/01/06 21:24:12 GMT Standard Time, jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com 
writes:

> I could point to individuals around this town that
>  could confuse any or all of Frank's tests.

But, not all at once. There are others, which I do not remember.

Frank Wood

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From: Alan Schaefer <schaefera [at] wpunj.edu>
Subject: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:34:22 -0500

Hello All.

Some of you may remember me as a participant on this list from years  
ago... but as my job as evolved from  Production Manager to Director  
of Operations, I've not not had the time to keep up with the list.  
One of the things that brings me back here is a fire safety question.  
The facility I'm responsible for is part of a NJ state university.  
Until recently, the fire marshall has not required us to flame proof  
wooden sets, only drapes & fabric. The new fire marshall wants all  
wood used on stage treated. I don't object, but I've been asked to  
investigate whether or not this is common practice and how you handle  
this requirement for touring shows, rentals, etc.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Al
---
Al Schaefer
Director of Operations/Production Manager
Shea Center for Performing Arts
William Paterson University
Wayne, NJ 07470
973-720-2384
Fax: 973-720-3592
schaefera [at] wpunj.edu




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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:42:20 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: gender specificity, was Re: Another Certified Rigger
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
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On 4:32:54 pm 01/11/06 "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> >  I could point to individuals around this town that
> >  could confuse any or all of Frank's tests.
>
> As could one of my college roommates.
>
> You know a guy for four years, been roomies for two of them, but the
> first time you see him in drag--if he's good--you're still liable to
> get whiplash from the double-take.
>

  Nothing like the double take I had when I came home on leave, 
met someone I'd known for many years, but in the two year gap, 
he had turned into a she.   It was a great mental shock, and 
it took me over ten years before I really internalized the 
gender change.  Even now, nearly 20 years past the day, I 
still sometimes think of her as a him.  

  --Dale


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:56:57 -0800 (PST)
From: J Burch <jeanburch_td [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Colored fog
In-Reply-To: <list-26567582 [at] prxy.net>

Greetings
There was an article (link) posted a few months back
that described an individual who has created colored
bubbles.  Someone mused that if we could make colored
bubbles, perhaps in the future we could make colored
fog.  There were only a couple posts about it if
memory serves.  I do not have the posts, but the
following link I found doing a google search - it is
the same guy / bubble, but a different article.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/0a03b5108e097010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

Hope this helps
Jean Burch





--- Michael Finney <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
wrote:

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> 
> Ladies and Gentlemen:
> 
> I'm in the middle of "blue sky" design for a job
> right now, and one of
> my partners-in-crime swears on a 12-pack of very
> good beer that he saw
> mention of a colored fog system here on the list at
> some time during the
> last couple of months.
> 
> Now, personally the only inherently colored fog I've
> ever dealt with was
> actually a smoke, generated from either a burning
> product or from a pyro
> charge (OK, basically the same thing with different
> durations of
> generation).  Other than that, it's always been a
> case of coloring the
> fog with light.
> 
> Anybody out there know of a colored fog system that
> I've stupidly
> managed to miss?  Or am I going to be enjoying a
> 12-pack of Boulevard
> Brewing Company Nutcracker Ale in the near future?
> 
> (if somebody *does* know of such a system, I'd
> really, really appreciate
> any info you could pass along...both posted to the
> list and directly, as
> I think I'm missing the digest about every 3rd or
> 4th time...)
> 
> Thanks - and a Happy New Year to everybody!
> 
> Michael Finney
> Thinkwell Design & Production
> mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
> www.thinkwelldesign.com
> <http://www.thinkwelldesign.com/> 
>  
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:12:21 -0500
From: Patrick McCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
In-reply-to: <list-26566592 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.1.20060111190616.01f31c38 [at] incoming.verizon.net>

Laura wrote:

>I can report that these units worked very nicely for us. No need for
>separate ballasts or any complicated wiring, just plug into a dimmer like
>any other light. There is a pop on but a little creative cueing bringing
>them on in an otherwise bright cue and most of the audience will never see
>it.
>
>Laura McMeley
>Resident Lighting Coordinator
>The Dallas Opera
>972-333-5016
>http://www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/

Pretty much any tube that can be dimmed can be dimmed directly from a 
theatrical dimmer using a Mark 10 Powerline ballast -

         http://www.advancetransformer.com/products/fluorescent-electronic.jsp?pbid=37

We 're spec'ing them for houselights in an upcoming renovation. Wire the 
fixtures up, plug 'em in to a lighting circuit, and let 'em rip.

As far as bumping on goes, very few people seem to be aware that virtually 
every ballast and lamp manufacturer say that a flourescent tube wants to be 
"burned in" for at least 100 hours before you can expect a smooth dimming 
curve.

Patrick

G. Patrick McCreary
Ass't. Professor - Technical Director
Department of Theater and Dance
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana, PA 15701
(Office) 724-357-2644
(Home) 724-349-4309


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:57:34 -0500
From: Paul Schreiner <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
In-Reply-To: <list-26575697 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26558608 [at] prxy.net> <list-26575697 [at] prxy.net>

It might help if you asked him his rationale...

That being said, it's not a situation I've run into before.  Most of
the time I follow the same basic guidelines you have, with
flameproofing restricted to soft goods.  When I have gone so far as to
flameproof sets, I've always used Rosco P50 mixed in with the base
paint...

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Colored fog
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

Actually, if I remember the April Fools article correctly, it was about
"color changing smoke" - e.g. getting multiple colors out of the same
smoke pellet.

Bill


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:41:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [SPAM?]  RGB Dimmable Fluorescents report
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> I was unable to find anyone who had any of these products for rent.
> I did find that The Dallas Theatre Center (thanks to Fred Schoening) had
> some single color dimmable fluorescents from L&E. Since we could not find
> any RGB's the designer decided to go with the single color ones.

I don't know the make, but the local high school just installed some 4
tube (3 colors plus white) fixtures. Since they hadn't done the mandatory
burn-in, we did not use them in our lighting design.

These particular units just plug into non-dim circuits and have DMX control.

Bill


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From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:59:47 -0500

>Until recently, the fire marshall has not required us to flame proof  
>wooden sets, only drapes & >fabric. The new fire marshall wants all  wood 
>used on stage treated. I don't object, but I've been asked to  investigate 
>whether or not this is common practice and how you handle  this requirement 
>for touring shows, rentals, etc.

I live in Boston.  Sadly, we have a history of fires, from the Cocoanut 
Grove to, more recently, the Station in Warwick, RI -- close enough that it 
affected many Boston and Cambridge venues very dearly -- and the North Shore 
Music Theater.

Many of the halls request or require renters to backpaint all their flats.  
It's a decent way to get rid of all the trailings in gallon cans left over 
in the shop.  I haven't (yet) met anyone who has required undersides of 
platforms to be built, unless its part of the scene design.  I also haven't 
yet met anyone who required anything more stringent than latex paint.

I have heard of some shows needing to be designed, redesigned, and 
redesigned again to meet code, and a few shows that had to extend their 
load-in process to figure something out, but no out-and-out "can't do that 
show here" closures.

So, yeah -- paint any visible surface, either in accordance with the design, 
or sweet-Jesus-grey if the audience can't see it.


-- Matt

========

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:10:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFEB32DB.76C2%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26575697 [at] prxy.net>

Back in the day....I used to build scenery too.  It was good to build
scenery.  Made my heart feel good, ya know?  The wallet, on the other hand,
was feeling a bit ignored.  Wallet had to win this one so I stopped doing
scenery.  But back in that day.....we *always* flameproofed the entire set.
Wood, fabric, everything.  If the wood was supposed to be raw looking we
still put the flameproof stuff in with the sealer.

I'd of flameproofed the actors if I could have gotten them to sit still for
a few minutes.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 1/11/06 6:34 PM, "Alan Schaefer" <schaefera [at] wpunj.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Some of you may remember me as a participant on this list from years
> ago... but as my job as evolved from  Production Manager to Director
> of Operations, I've not not had the time to keep up with the list.
> One of the things that brings me back here is a fire safety question.
> The facility I'm responsible for is part of a NJ state university.
> Until recently, the fire marshall has not required us to flame proof
> wooden sets, only drapes & fabric. The new fire marshall wants all
> wood used on stage treated. I don't object, but I've been asked to
> investigate whether or not this is common practice and how you handle
> this requirement for touring shows, rentals, etc.
> 
> Any input would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Al
> ---
> Al Schaefer
> Director of Operations/Production Manager
> Shea Center for Performing Arts
> William Paterson University
> Wayne, NJ 07470
> 973-720-2384
> Fax: 973-720-3592
> schaefera [at] wpunj.edu
> 
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <019101c6172d$0738d4d0$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE>
Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
References: <list-26568014 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:44:18 -0500

Also, today's college students have never known a world with out Bob Barker 
heading up The Price is Right.  While not as long as Mouse Trap or Phantom. 
It's got it's place in history as well.

Alf


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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060111212309.01e8b150 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:20 -0600
From: Mitch Hefter <stagecraft02 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Subject: Re: Another NEC Question
In-Reply-To: <list-26530101 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26530101 [at] prxy.net>

Brian James wrote:
>Does the NEC require speaker cables that are installed as part of a
>70volts distributed system to be in conduit?
>
>I see sections that would lead me to believe this is the case, however I
>see a lot of actual installations that do not have conduit for the
>speaker runs.

The 2005 Code does some circular references, Article 520 (Theaters, 
Audience Areas of Motion Picture and Television Studios, Performance Areas, 
and Similar Locations) says look at 640 (Audio Signal Processing, 
Amplification, and Reproduction Equipment).  640 says look at 520 along 
with 300.22 (Wiring in Ducts, Plenums, and Other Air-Handling Spaces) and 
725 (Class 1, Class 2, and Class 3 Remote-Control, Signaling, and 
Power-Limited Circuits).

So the answer is "it depends."  Depending on the ratings and listings of 
your equipment, you may or may not be required to employ conduit.  If you 
do, it must be metal, not plastic.  Use of metal conduit would be a safe 
choice.  However, if the wiring is considered part of a Class 1, 2, or 3 
system, other rules apply regarding separation of circuits.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

Regards,

. . .
------------------------------------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter   Member NEC Panel 15

Office:  Entertainment Technology / a Genlyte Company
     mhefter  [at]  genlyte.com   +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967
http://www.etdimming.com  ::  http://www.vari-lite.com




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Message-ID: <006901c6172e$3c4eced0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26568014 [at] prxy.net> <list-26581580 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: The Phantom of Opera' officially knocked off 'Cats'  NEWS
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:11:17 -0800

> Also, today's college students have never known a world with out Bob 
> Barker heading up The Price is Right.  While not as long as Mouse Trap or 
> Phantom. It's got it's place in history as well.
>


Bob Barker's been on PIR for more than 30 years....  just to be sure, I 
checked....
http://www.cbs.com/daytime/price/about/bios/cast_bios_bbarker.shtml
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0054837/bio
http://www.go-star.com/antiquing/bobbarker.htm

...and many more links...

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <43C5D929.3060201 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:20:57 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Another NEC Question
References: <list-26530101 [at] prxy.net> <list-26581693 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26581693 [at] prxy.net>

Thanks for the info, it warms the heart to see that others are arriving 
at the same answer I am. I guess this is why we AHJ's around.......

Mitch Hefter wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian James wrote:
>
>> Does the NEC require speaker cables that are installed as part of a
>> 70volts distributed system to be in conduit?
>>
>> I see sections that would lead me to believe this is the case, however I
>> see a lot of actual installations that do not have conduit for the
>> speaker runs.
>
>
> The 2005 Code does some circular references, Article 520 (Theaters, 
> Audience Areas of Motion Picture and Television Studios, Performance 
> Areas, and Similar Locations) says look at 640 (Audio Signal 
> Processing, Amplification, and Reproduction Equipment).  640 says look 
> at 520 along with 300.22 (Wiring in Ducts, Plenums, and Other 
> Air-Handling Spaces) and 725 (Class 1, Class 2, and Class 3 
> Remote-Control, Signaling, and Power-Limited Circuits).
>
> So the answer is "it depends."  Depending on the ratings and listings 
> of your equipment, you may or may not be required to employ conduit.  
> If you do, it must be metal, not plastic.  Use of metal conduit would 
> be a safe choice.  However, if the wiring is considered part of a 
> Class 1, 2, or 3 system, other rules apply regarding separation of 
> circuits.
>
> Sorry I can't be more specific.
>
> Regards,
>
> . . .
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mitch Hefter   Member NEC Panel 15
>
> Office:  Entertainment Technology / a Genlyte Company
>     mhefter  [at]  genlyte.com   +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967
> http://www.etdimming.com  ::  http://www.vari-lite.com
>
>
>
>


-- 
Brian James


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

There are a number of problems with rabbit ears, and similar devices. They
are bulky - and it is easy to get line end tangled up in the ears.

But they certainly are inexpensive to make. I like the variation that has
the front open, so that the line tail can be slipped in without threading
it up through the middle. I often also use a variation that has only one
"ear" - basically a wooden cam cleat.

Bill


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