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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #655

 1. high school classes
    by kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il
 2. Re: 
    by Patrick McCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
 3. Re: Re: 
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 4. Re: Union Dealings
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 5. Re: Union Dealings
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 6. old topic: McHales.
    by Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
 7. Re: College/Professional Advice4
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 8. Re: old topic: McHales.
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 9. Re: Union Dealings
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
10. Re: old topic: McHales.
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
11. Re: old topic: McHales.
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
12. Re: Union Dealings
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
13. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
14. Re: McHales. (Warning)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
15. Re: 
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
16. Re: McHales. (Warning)
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
17. Re: McHales. (Warning)
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
18. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
19. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
20. Re: 
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
21. Screwing mics of of 82 A/B pilots
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
22. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
23. Strand 300 boot-up
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
24. Re: McHales. (Warning)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
25. Re: old topic: McHales
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
26. Re: old topic: McHales
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
27. Re: old topic: McHales
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
28. Re: Lightweight headsets
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
29. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
30. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
31. Re: Strand 300 boot-up
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
32. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
33. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
34. Re: Lightweight headsets
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
35. Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
36. Re: URTA
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
37. Re: College/Professional Advice
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
38. Re: Fire suppression
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
39. union dealings and 4 hr minimum
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: Carpentry/Paint Call
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
41. Re: Union Dealings
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
42. Re: Fire suppression
    by Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
43. Re: College/Professional Advice4
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
44. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
45. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
46. Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
47. Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
48. modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
49. Re: modern instructions
    by "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
50. Re: modern instructions
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
51. Re: Call Time
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
52. Re: modern instructions
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
53. Re: Walkie-Talkie
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
54. Re: modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
55. Re: modern instructions
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
56. Racks Alot
    by Patrick Drone <padrone [at] umich.edu>
57. Re: Racks Alot
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
58. Re: Racks Alot
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
59. Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
60. Questions on automated scenery
    by "Rock, Michael Edward" <ROCKME07 [at] uwgb.edu>
61. Re: modern instructions
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
62. Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
63. Re: modern instructions
    by "Josh Ratty" <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
64. Re: modern instructions
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
65. Re: modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
66. Re: modern instructions
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
67. Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
68. Re: modern instructions
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
69. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
70. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
71. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
72. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
73. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
74. Re: Questions on automated scenery
    by "Rock, Michael Edward" <ROCKME07 [at] uwgb.edu>
75. Autoyoke personality for Expression 3
    by Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>

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Message-ID: <1137411851.43cb870baf605 [at] webmail.tau.ac.il>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:44:11 +0200
From: kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il
Subject: high school classes

"> What high school classes do you wish you had taken?

It's more like, "What HS classes do I wish I'd paid closer attention to?"

Algebra and Geometry.

"I'll never need that stuff; I'm going into theatre."

Of course, I use "that stuff" every damned day; I had to go back and teac=
h
myself.  There are still annoying gaps in my knowledge."

AND A BIG AMEN TO ALL THAT!!!!!The most important stuff I didn't learn in=
 HS!





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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:56:16 -0500
From: Patrick McCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re:
In-reply-to: <list-26699193 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.1.20060116075335.01f3b548 [at] incoming.verizon.net>
References: <list-26694350 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:11 AM 1/16/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>On 1/15/06 7:43 PM, "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com> wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>> SUSPEND
> >>
> >> That a rigging command?  :)
> >
> >
> > Actually, it's the answer to #104 on the certification exam....
> >
> > People are posting the answers in code, and if we all pay very close
> > attention to this list, eventually all the answers will be given.
> >
> >       - Jon Ares
> > www.hevanet.com/acreative
> >
>
>
>Damn.  Hey Katie....they're on to us.  We're gonna have to change the test!
>
>Bill S.
>www.sapsis-rigging.com
>800.727.7471
>800.292.3851  fax
>267.278.4561 mobile
>
>Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
>motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>


You guys are a hoot -

I was trying to send a command to the server - we're going to New Paltz for 
a week for the KC/ACTF region II Festival.

But then, maybe I'll just start sending random one-word messages to the 
list and see how many times you guys can make me smile the next morning.

Patrick

G. Patrick McCreary
Ass't. Professor - Technical Director
Department of Theater and Dance
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana, PA 15701
(Office) 724-357-2644
(Home) 724-349-4309


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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:07:02 -0500
Subject: Re: 
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF104A6.791A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26711956 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/16/06 7:56 AM, "Patrick McCreary" <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net> wrote:

> But then, maybe I'll just start sending random one-word messages to the
> list and see how many times you guys can make me smile the next morning.

It's a tough job but someone has to do it.


Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>







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Message-ID: <43CB9BF1.2090501 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:13:21 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Union Dealings
References: <list-26689052 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26689052 [at] prxy.net>

Mick Alderson wrote:
> compensation to make it worthwhile to bother showing up. As CB said,
> when you include travel time and other jobs turned down, a two-hour
> work-call isn't worth MY time. It doesn't even make my expenses.

I don't think a 2-hour call would be worth _anyone's_ time. Unless you
happen to live pretty much next door to the venue, and weren't doing
anything anyway.

> From the Local's point of view, the strict "minimums" setup is ALSO an
> incentive to employers to negotiate a contract.
The contract incentive has been mentioned a few times in this thread,
but I think it's finally sunk in (sorry to be so dense ;=)  OK, maybe I
can see its value now.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43CB9D2F.90905 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:18:39 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Union Dealings
References: <list-26693756 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26693756 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> Unhappily, some of them can't. Many do a service to their members, by 
> insisting on reasonable conditions of work and pay scales. Others, on both sides of 
> the pond, are not at all reasonable.

Yes, I can think of several examples where certain powerful unions (not,
to my knowledge, IATSE) have gone on strike simply to show how powerful
they are, and to extort even more unreasonable (IMO) demands from the
employer. Those unions have forgotten why they exist.

Now that I think about it, it seems to me those unions tend to exist in
industries where the only work available is through the union (e.g.
government, auto workers, etc.). In theatre and film, you can still work
in non-union places, so I think the theatre and film unions tend to have
a more realistic view of their purpose, since many of the members have
probably worked in non-union places.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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In-Reply-To: <list-26676767 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26676767 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <AFAE44CE-8697-11DA-9349-000A9592AE20 [at] tany.com>
From: Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
Subject: old topic: McHales.
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:55:00 -0500

McHales is in fact closing.  Today probably last day.

BA

Brian Aldous
Lighting Design

brian [at] tany.com


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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:56:31 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice4
Message-id: <009301c61aa4$a898c220$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
References: <list-26708098 [at] prxy.net>


<<I am working on a "Build Your Own High School Curriculum" article for
secondary technical theatre students and am interested in your responses
to the following:

What high school classes do you wish you had taken?>>

I attended a college prep high school (Fenwick, Oak Park, IL) so did not
have much of an option... actually no options.

I did have a few classes that I consider a waste of time:

Medieval History
Gym
English Literature (I still remember the crushingly boring "Domeby and Son:
by Charles Dickens... I was assigned a book report over a Christmas break on
this 800 page brick.  125 pages into it and Dickens is still in the
expository phase... describing somebody's frickin' buttons.  It was the only
assignment I didn't complete in high school.)

Biology

I basically learned how to learn, or better put, "how to go to school".  The
classes that taught me things I use almost daily I mostly took in college
(Institute of Design / Illinois Institute of Technology).

Technical drawing (which I use far more than geometry when I do layouts)
2D / 3D design
Color

What I wish I had been able to take in High School:

Shop... any shop (carpentry, mechanics, auto, welding)
Drawing (art rather than technical)
Japanese
Electronics
Home Economics
Personal Finance
Music (guitar)
Computer Science

Laters,

Paul

"I organized a big party for the prisoners," Tom confessed.



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:01:57 -0500
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales.
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFF11185.A3A3%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26713226 [at] prxy.net>


Yeah Unkie Bill and I made it there last week. Waited an hour for a burger.
The place was packed! I may go tonight just because it could be really fun
to be there. 

Brian where did you get your info. As of last week it was indeed day to day.

_H

On 1/16/06 8:55 AM, "Brian Aldous" <brian [at] tany.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> McHales is in fact closing.  Today probably last day.
> 
> BA
> 
> Brian Aldous
> Lighting Design
> 
> brian [at] tany.com
> 
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:00:04 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Union Dealings
Message-id: <009401c61aa5$270876f0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
References: <list-26708098 [at] prxy.net>

>  This is precisely why unions were formed: to PREVENT such abuses, and if
>  the unions can't remember that, then they have outlived their usefulness.

I do not know the what abuses were referred to in this post but I think
unions were not formed to prevent abuses but to cause the employer to PAY
for them.

I believe my local (665) has a 4 hour minimum for stage, and an 8 hour
minimum for production (film).  Stage also has 1 hour meal breaks every 4
hours, and 15 minute breaks every 2 hours.  (This can make for some very
long days.  A 12 hour stage call ends up being 16 hours long with 1 hour
drive time each way (for me) and 2 - 1 hour meal breaks).

Production typically has longer hours with 10 hour days being the normal
minimum.  Depending on the project, 6 - 12 hour/day weeks are not unusual.

Laters,

Paul

"I flatly deny this," said Tom under pressure.



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:05:29 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales.
In-reply-to: <list-26713341 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <A857E370-42A9-4A42-89EF-7330CB6CBA8E [at] klad.com>
References: <list-26713226 [at] prxy.net> <list-26713341 [at] prxy.net>

I have a mid-day meeting in mid town, I may have to stop.

I was never a regular at McHale's, I've always preferred Barrymore's, =20=

but it was a revered institution.







On Jan 16, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> As of last week it was indeed day to day.


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:11:47 -0500
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales.
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFF113D3.A3A9%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26713472 [at] prxy.net>


Oh yeah, and Barrymore's is closing too. As is Sam's and Puleo's.

On 1/16/06 9:05 AM, "Kevin Lee Allen" <klad [at] klad.com> wrote:



-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:12:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Union Dealings
Message-Id: <20060116.061316.16359.9815 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com>

For many of us, a 14+ hour day on a LA film location is not unusual...
/s/ Richard
________________________
Production typically has longer hours with 10 hour days being the normal=
 minimum.  Depending on the project, 6 - 12 hour/day weeks are not unusu=
al.
Paul



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Message-ID: <43CBAB73.9090206 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:19:31 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice
References: <list-26680179 [at] prxy.net> <list-26684176 [at] prxy.net> <list-26685859 [at] prxy.net>

Well DUH! But while there one might want to discuss archeology, 
renaissance art, plate tectonics or the like. ;)
Steve

Jim Hyslop wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Stephen E. Rees wrote:
> 
>>Be sure to be interested in
>>something(s) other than theatre.  You need to have something you can
>>escape to at the end of call.
> 
> 
> Isn't that what pubs are for? >:->
> 



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0500
Subject: Re:  McHales. (Warning)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF1157A.792E%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26713341 [at] prxy.net>

Warning....This is me waxing philosophical again.

Changes, people and places coming and going are all part of the natural
order of things.  But some things are harder to take than others.  In Philly
there was the stagehands bar, McGlicnhey's.  In the 70's there was a
bartender named Tony.  Great guy in the true tradition of a bartender.  What
you said to Tony stayed with Tony.  The bar is still there but Tony passed
away years ago.  McHales became the hangout du jour when I was in NYC in the
early 80's.  I spent a fair amount of time  on a stool at the west end of
the bar by the pay phone.  It didn't hurt that my sister-in-law, Katie was a
bartender there at the time.

When I started a family and a business my ability to hang out was severely
curtailed.  But every time I managed to get to McHales there was always
someone in there to say hello and catch up with the recent gossip.

The point?  Not sure.  I guess, for me anyway, having a place like McHales
is important, even if I don't get there that often.  Just knowing it's
there, knowing I can run into an old friend and see what going on in the
City is comforting.  It's that sense of comradeship that I think we all need
from time to time, especially when we're working long hours on a project we
may not be in love with and could use some reassurance that it's not all in
vain.  I dunno.  I've seen a lot of places and people come and go in my day
and I guess I don't want them all to go quietly in the night.  Ya know?

Hey Herrick.  Rip me out a bar stool, will ya?

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 1/16/06 9:01 AM, "Herrick Goldman" <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Yeah Unkie Bill and I made it there last week. Waited an hour for a burger.
> The place was packed! I may go tonight just because it could be really fun
> to be there. 
> 
> Brian where did you get your info. As of last week it was indeed day to day.
> 
> _H
> 
> On 1/16/06 8:55 AM, "Brian Aldous" <brian [at] tany.com> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> McHales is in fact closing.  Today probably last day.
>> 
>> BA
>> 
>> Brian Aldous
>> Lighting Design
>> 
>> brian [at] tany.com
>> 
>> 



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Message-ID: <43CBAC8E.3030804 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:24:14 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: 
References: <list-26693851 [at] prxy.net> <list-26694248 [at] prxy.net>

No.  It's about your disbelief.  Sorry, had to go for the obvious. :)
Steve

Jerry Durand wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Patrick McCreary wrote:
> 
>> SUSPEND
> 
> 
> That a rigging command?  :)
> 
> 



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:54:21 -0500
Subject: Re: McHales. (Warning)
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <BFF11DCD.6202%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26713808 [at] prxy.net>

> Changes, people and places coming and going are all part of the natural
> order of things.  But some things are harder to take than others.

And it's not just McHale's - most the block south of it is coming down, too.
That means Barrymore's, Sam's, Puleo's and even the Smiler's deli.

Guess a lot of us will be walking to Ninth Ave...:(

- John



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:01:07 -0500
Subject: Re: McHales. (Warning)
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFF11F63.A3B5%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26713808 [at] prxy.net>


On 1/16/06 9:18 AM, "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:

> 
> Hey Herrick.  Rip me out a bar stool, will ya?


To which I reply:

Yeah!!?? Me and what army?

There's only like 10 of those! I'll have to fight off most of Local #1 for
those. I tell ya if I try for  a bar stool and get to it at the same time as
the Claffeys or The Maloney's  forget it pal I'm just helping them to get
their stool!

I'll be happy to get in and get a beer.

-H




-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Message-ID: <003101c61aad$c2b82430$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:01:41 -0600

Frank W. posted:  "... I still regard the safe and orderly evacuation of the 
audience as the main priority."

No disagreement but suppressing the fire and ventilating the smoke and heat 
both aid substantially in this effort, along with aisles and corridors and 
such that are well illuminated, not too steep, of adequate width, with well 
designed railings, and with a design factor that accounts for some being 
obstructed, all without mention that our means of egress have to serve 
people with disabilities equally as well.

"For this, I think our way better."

I believe that our regulations on the safe and orderly egress of the 
audience and performers and technicians are in fact much more stringent then 
yours, especially when the changes resulting from the Station nightclub fire 
are factored in.  Of course that doesn't necessarily take into account that 
as a society, we in the US tend to rely on regulations more than personal 
initiative for our safety and usually fail to be proactive or go out of our 
way in the least to mitigate an obvious hazard.  Thus, the endless cycle, 
and new regulations are enacted because of this.

For all this, I think our way is different.  Modern suppression systems go 
hand in hand with our demand for automation and instant gratification. 
Besides, as a theatre consultant, I wouldn't mind if a few more theatres 
burned down and had to be replaced as long as no one was injured, as if 
anything can happen and someone not claim to be injured.

Regards,

Bill 


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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: RE: College/Professional Advice
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:04:55 -0600
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-26679695 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1EyVum-0005QS-U0 [at] smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Like so many others, my answer is a combination of things I wish I'd had
(high school or college) and classes in which I should have paid better
attention:

Trigonometry - I've had to relearn that all over again.  Lighting angles.
Fixture beam spreads.  Rigging.  Audio.  (Though learning was MY
responsibility, I REALLY wish that the teacher had had a better foot in
reality in terms of the practical applications.)

Personal finance/math of finance - The basics, like balancing a checkbook,
actual loan costs, and the like.

Writing (business, creative, and technical) / vocabulary - Being able to
communicate effectively on-paper (or in whatever "text" medium one chooses)
is INCREDIBLY important.  (How many proposals/e-mails/resumes have you read
that seem like they were written in German, then translated into Japanese,
then into French, they into English?)

Public speaking - Learning how to present one's self verbally - for
presentations, meetings, and the like.

Basic Business Psychology - Essentially, how to work with people and
learning what motivates them.  (I'm re-learning that and am having a lot of
"so that is why that was important" moments.)  


Classes I'm glad I had (aside from the "normal" theatre/stagecraft courses):

Sales - Whether a piece of gear or one's self, we are ALL selling something.

Technical drawing/drafting - Though I haven't done a "T-Square" drawing in
years, I still think the basics taught in these types of courses are
important:  Setting up/organizing drawings, line weights, how to read
drawings, etc.

2D and 3D Art

Shop


Just a few things that come to mind...

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com



 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
>Of Dana Taylor
>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:03 AM
>To: Stagecraft
>Subject: College/Professional Advice
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: High School 
>Class Wish List    
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>-----------------
> 
>Hi Folks: 
>
>I am working on a "Build Your Own High School Curriculum" 
>article for secondary technical theatre students and am 
>interested in your responses to the following:
>
>What high school classes do you wish you had taken? 
>Specifically, what classes (outside of theatre classes) do you 
>now realize would have been of benefit to you? Likewise, what 
>classes would have made your collegiate technical theatre 
>studies more meaningful or easier? 
>
>Thanks for your assistance, 
>
>Dana Taylor
>
>Dana W. Taylor
>Mt. Vernon Sr. High School
>812.838.4356
>



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From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Subject: RE: 
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:16:05 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26694475 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <MALFRONT7vXee4fDGCl00000347 [at] malfront.capital.edu>

Sky hook?
 


>>> SUSPEND
>>
>> That a rigging command?  :)
> 
> 
> Actually, it's the answer to #104 on the certification exam....
> 
> People are posting the answers in code, and if we all pay very close 
> attention to this list, eventually all the answers will be given.
> 
>      - Jon Ares

   I got that one wrong, I guess.  I chose   LEVITATE.  .




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From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Subject: Screwing mics of of 82 A/B pilots
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:19:09 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26698803 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <MALFRONTlwM9UtHCqcx00000348 [at] malfront.capital.edu>

And I thought we weren't gonna go there. Man, those army pilots.

Couldn't resist.

Semper Fi, mac.

J



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Message-ID: <43CBBBAB.60404 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:28:43 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice
References: <list-26714888 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26714888 [at] prxy.net>

C. Andrew Dunning wrote:
> responsibility, I REALLY wish that the teacher had had a better foot in
> reality in terms of the practical applications.)

You have to remember that the vast majority of teachers go from directly
from learning (high school, college/university, teachers' college, etc.)
to teaching. Most teachers simply don't have any exposure to "reality"
outside an academic institution. The curriculum doesn't help, because it
merely states what has to be taught, not why it's useful.

I am also of the opinion that many (not "all" or "most", but "many")
teachers barely grasp what they are teaching, and have to expend most of
their energy simply keeping one step ahead of the students, leaving very
little energy or creativity to make the lessons interesting or
applicable to real-life. There are, of course, the gems who have a firm
grasp on - or better still, a strong passion for - the subject they're
teaching, but ISTM they are in the minority.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <003501c61ab2$53496e60$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Strand 300 boot-up
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:34:22 -0600

I hate to ask but did you try the Strand 800 number for tech service?  I 
think it's  800 478-7263 (or 800 4 STRAND).

Bill C 


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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:38:56 -0500
Subject: Re: McHales. (Warning)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF12840.7942%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26714782 [at] prxy.net>

LOL.  It was worth a shot. (groan)  I can't make it up there tonight.  Have
one for me then, would ya?

Bill
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 1/16/06 10:01 AM, "Herrick Goldman" <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> On 1/16/06 9:18 AM, "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hey Herrick.  Rip me out a bar stool, will ya?
> 
> 
> To which I reply:
> 
> Yeah!!?? Me and what army?
> 
> There's only like 10 of those! I'll have to fight off most of Local #1 for
> those. I tell ya if I try for  a bar stool and get to it at the same time as
> the Claffeys or The Maloney's  forget it pal I'm just helping them to get
> their stool!
> 
> I'll be happy to get in and get a beer.
> 
> -H
> 
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601160814n570e8bffvfd66a99ac7441e49 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:14:10 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales

>>>>Oh yeah, and Barrymore's is closing too. As is Sam's and Puleo's.<<<<


Wow. They're just ripping away all sorts of  "staples of NYC" in that
district, as well as some nostalgic childhood memories for me. No good
bums :)
Puleo's was good stuff. And like you've all said, nothing beats
McHales. Best burger ever!!

What's next, CBGB?  Oh wait, they already tried that one too (and are
still trying!).
http://www.savecbgb.org/

I know this is OT (sorry), but what exactly is going on over there
shutting everything down? I want to say I recall a while back someone
on the list (Herrick?) said they were building condos?

One moves away, and look what happens. Geez.

--
SS
TTS-EKU

"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
 --Bill Lumbergh

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:26:42 -0500
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <BFF13372.6219%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26716545 [at] prxy.net>

> I know this is OT (sorry), but what exactly is going on over there
> shutting everything down? I want to say I recall a while back someone
> on the list (Herrick?) said they were building condos?

Yes, they're tearing down everything on the east side of Eighth Avenue
between 45th and 47th streets, to put up apartments. And I assume that also
means the arrival of another dozen Starbucks...:(

And what's more *on* topic for the stagecraft list than discussing where
Broadway stagehands (and designers!) are going to go for lunch/dinner/break,
now that all of the affordable (and theater-friendly) places are going?

- John



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601160842ibac7665u871edf1bf4b4a45f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:42:56 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: old topic: McHales
In-Reply-To: <list-26716792 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26716545 [at] prxy.net> <list-26716792 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Yes, they're tearing down everything on the east side of Eighth Avenue
between 45th and 47th streets, to put up apartments. And I assume that also
means the arrival of another dozen Starbucks...:(  <<<<

Ugh!. For real?

>>>>And what's more *on* topic for the stagecraft list than discussing wher=
e
Broadway stagehands (and designers!) are going to go for lunch/dinner/break=
,
now that all of the affordable (and theater-friendly) places are going?<<<<


Good point.  Touche :)

-
SS
TTS-EKU


"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
 --Bill Lumbergh

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Message-ID: <e065c01d58bf86af0de8dbb3b6e5699a [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:48:23 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Lightweight headsets
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26663389 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26588822 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26662545 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26662913 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26663389 [at] prxy.net>

On 6:21:26 pm 01/14/06 Phil Genera <pg [at] fivesevenfive.org> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Mat Goebel wrote:
> >  I've been happy with my modified motorola. Cheaper than a standard
> >  issue clearcom headset too...
>
> Has anyone tried this rig with the higher end cell headsets on the
> market today, like the Shure QSHB3 or Etymotic ETY*COM? I'd sure like
> an excuse to spend far too much money on a cell headset, and doing
> double duty in the theatre is certainly a good one.
>

  I bought one of the plantronics headsets that were 
modified to work with clearcoms from toolsforstagecraft.com 
and I'm very happy with it.    

  If I ever get around to it, I have another phone operators 
headset that I got some years ago to modify to connect up to 
intercoms.  that headset weighs in at slightly over one ounce, 
including the custom mold for my ear.  It is so comfortable 
that I will literally forget I am wearing it, and getting up 
to go someplace I end up yanking my phone off the desk.  

  --Dale


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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:10:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BFF14BD0.CB12%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26714833 [at] prxy.net>

> Of course that doesn't necessarily take into account that
> as a society, we in the US tend to rely on regulations more than personal
> initiative for our safety and usually fail to be proactive or go out of our
> way in the least to mitigate an obvious hazard.

    Chicken or the egg of course. The more people are told what to do the
less likely they are to take any initiative. It's like raising children - if
kids aren't allowed to take any risks, they never learn to be responsible.

    "Don't touch that" rather than "Here's how to do it safely". "No wine
with family dinner because you are underage" leads to alcoholic excess when
they are older and can get away with it. Not to advocate anarchy or
abolishment of all safety regulations, but excessive restrictions does tend
to erase any self control or responsibility.

    Our "over protective mother" of a government needs to wean the citizenry
from her tight grip, or we will all continue to be "Mama's boys" unable to
stand on our own two feet!

> Thus, the endless cycle,
> and new regulations are enacted because of this.

    Exactly!

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: RE: College/Professional Advice
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:23:15 -0600
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-26715331 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1EyY4d-0003k7-Px [at] smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

>...the vast majority of teachers go 
>from directly from learning (high school, college/university, 
>teachers' college, etc.) to teaching...

I won't argue that.  BUT, I don't think that it is unreasonable to expect a
high-school math teacher - who teaches nothing but algebra and trig to have
a pretty good clue regarding the "whys" of what he/she is teaching.  If a
person loves math enough to learn how to teach it, wouldn't that person have
enough interest in it to know real application - or, is the theory exciting
enough?

I remember asking my trig teacher "Why are we being taught this?"  Her
answer was that we'd use the knowledge on an Air Force entrance exam.
Bzzzzt!  Wrong answer...

- Andy



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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner)
Subject: RE: Strand 300 boot-up
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0000
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPKEDODKAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26715433 [at] prxy.net>

Nope - as I'm in the UK, that wouldn't have helped me (though a call to the
service dept in Blighty would have followed had I not succeeded in getting
this sorted)

Anyway, after a similar posting in the Blue Room I had a response from Baz,
who dug into his mental annals and came up with the solution!
It is indeed a config issue, and similar to the suggestion made by John
Gibilisco here on this list - I did indeed need to set the show ID # to '0',
but it's an easy path to get to it via the 'notes display', 'config files'
route when the desk is running Genius.

All now sorted and the wee beastie does now do what I need it to!

All hail the combined wisdom of the newsgroups/message boards!!!
8-))

Thanks for all the suggestions, anyway.

TD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill
> Conner
> Sent: 16 January 2006 15:34
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Strand 300 boot-up
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I hate to ask but did you try the Strand 800 number for tech service?  I
> think it's  800 478-7263 (or 800 4 STRAND).
>
> Bill C
>
>



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Message-ID: <001f01c61ac2$d3600220$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26718110 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:32:29 -0800

> I remember asking my trig teacher "Why are we being taught this?"  Her
> answer was that we'd use the knowledge on an Air Force entrance exam.
> Bzzzzt!  Wrong answer...


With Mr. Bush's "No Child Left with a Behind" program, 'teaching to the 
test' is about all some teachers can manage to do, with limited time.

I find all these various answers/suggestions very interesting....  I, and 
several others, have been poring over these very things for the last 2 
years, as we prepared to open a brand new, from the ground up, high school 
this past fall.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, a lot of the 
wishes/desires and reasons for offering <whatever> that have been offered up 
on this thread are things you'll hear most every high school claim they're 
striving for, or believe they're doing, regardless of whether there's a 
'technical theatre' bent to it.  Every college prep and voc ed high school 
would have answered the questions the exact same way.  (Of course, proof is 
in the execution and result, not in the mission statement.)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <82ce9efb04cdaa56da742917f84b3d3a [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:30:53 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26687759 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26683935 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26687759 [at] prxy.net>

On 1:31:37 pm 01/15/06 Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> And speaking of state of the art fire suppression... I saw within the
> last year, a liquid product that was totally inert and evaporated in
> about an hour.  The demo tossed laptops and cell phones in to the
> liquid with no ill effects.  The fire suppression system could be set
> off in a television studio, and once the burned pieces had been
> removed, the studio could be up and running in about an hour (once
> the stuff evaporated).  Has any one had experience with this stuff?
> Might have been a 3M product.
>

  With the phaseout of halogen based fire suppressents, 
there has been a lot of research into replacements that 
are a little more ozone layer friendly and wouldn't 
destroy electronics in a computer room.  They are out 
there, and they are rather pricy.  For a theater setting, 
a mixture of various types of hand-held extinguishers with 
appropriate annual crew training works well.   Back up 
the hand helds with the fire curtian, fire compartmented 
construction, and a good sprinkler system.  
   The objections frank had to sprinkler systems in a 
theater are all solved problems.  There is also some 
hollywierd myths about sprinklers out there that produce 
resistance to installing sprinklers in places like 
museums and historical landmark structures, due to fears 
of water damage.  
  Ordinary fire sprinklers, installed appropriately for 
the fuel load, are unbelievably effective at containing 
fires, slowing down their growth, and extinguishing them.  
Frequently the only thing that we had to do for fires 
in a building that had a good sprinkler system was to 
ensure the fire was out, shut off the water, and give 
the building owner the names of the local emergency 
cleanup companies.  
  While there are cases of sprinklered buildings burning 
up, the nearly all involve cases of the system having 
been turned off, or compromised by remodeling, or the 
fuel load of the building changing, such as the case 
of a produce warehouse that was leased to a dairy 
company to store butter instead.


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Message-ID: <b11cdf21fe62bbc884ea3b7cfe080255 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:55:10 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Lightweight headsets
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26699163 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26698803 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26699163 [at] prxy.net>

On 12:10:26 am 01/16/06 Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello,
>
>     I'm using a Production Intercom SMH-110.  As a sound person I
> like it because the earpiece sits away from your ear.  This makes it
> easy to hear the show and clearcom at the same time.  The microphone
> is really sensitive and it takes a little sidetone tweeking to make
> it not feed back.  But it's light and sounds really good.  I don't
> know if you can still get them, but if you can, it is worth a look.
> Good luck.
>

  I have a couple of them.  ( I think, without going and 
unpacking them to verify model number. )   Drawbacks are 
that they are fragile, and the intercom audio is audible 
to other folks sitting nearby.  I do corporate gigs, with 
operators out in the audience, so they sit on my shelf 
gathering dust.  Make me an offer.  

  --Dale


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Message-ID: <90d9c9980601161007m756524fbkc5f72c4a52a3bd37 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:07:01 -0500
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Article: lighting life outside of theater

Greetings All,
I've been asked to write an article on the topic: "Is there a lighting
life outside of theater (i.e. corporate gigs, architecture, etc.) ?
Are schools teaching kids this?"

Obviously, there is life outside of theater for lighting folks. I'm
looking for a bit of help in the second area; are schools teaching
kids this...

Are you covering non-theater lighting in your theater lighting classes? How=
?
Are you involved in teaching lighting for corporate events?
Do you cover architectural lighting?
Do you teach interior lighting design?
Does your school have any classes in these areas?
    Do your lighting students partake in these classes?
    Do they cross department lines?
    Do these classes count towards their theater major?
Does your program encourage/teach students to explore non-stage
lighting areas including working as: show electricians, rental shop
electricians, lighting equipment sales, lighting programmers, optic
engineers, lighting equipment designers, electrical engineers, insert
your idea here_______, etc....

Please reply off list if you wish. Your name & institution can be
mentioned or not. Let me know.

Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060116111501.00d0b008 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:15:01
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: URTA

>Get there on time (early)

If you haven't learned this already, practice getting the fries out without
splattering yourself with hot oil.  Lots of theatre people are operating on
the misconception that the term 'Call Time' came from what time you are
called to be there.  I believe the root is the time that your boss (BA,
steward, whatever) starts making calls for replacements.
If you wish to make theatre your life's work, be prepared to be on time,
all the time, no matter what.  If you come rushing in two minutes before
the call starts, its because you had a flat tire and changing it ate up the
fifteen minute cushion that you left yourself.  Good escuses for not being
there are: 1. You were in the emergency room.  2,  Uhm, wait...  Nope,
there isn't a two...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060116111745.00d0b008 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:17:45
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice

>I'd say, theater or not, the one class I wish I had taken is some sort
>of personal finance. This should be required for high school
>graduation. I screwed myself over with credit cards in college,

Of all the classes that had anything to do with finance, none of them
taught me anything about staying away from credit card debt.  Some math
classes did, but my responsible attitude about debt came from my parents. 
I owe on my house, and that's it.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Subject: Re: Fire suppression
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:20:16 -0800
Message-ID: <AE704B0123616D4BBE8BD0A464A0FD29451B92 [at] ESERVER.mail.local>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com> wrote:

<<And speaking of state of the art fire suppression... I saw within the
last year, a liquid product that was totally inert and evaporated in
about an hour.  The demo tossed laptops and cell phones in to the liquid

with no ill effects.>

The product is called Novec 1230 or "Sapphire", and is part of fire
suppression systems from Tyco and Ansul.  Developed by 3M, in
partnership with Tyco.  Very, very cool stuff (we're looking at it for
some effects work), but not cheap.  Already deployed and operational. =20

The MSDS wasn't completely terrifying!  Although they do recommend
against drinking it (we asked what the LDL (Lethal Dose Limit) was, but
nobody knew - other than it was "a pretty good amount".  Since we were
thinking of using it in close proximity to performers it was actually an
important question.  Hate to kill the little devils off by accident.)

A couple of links to articles:

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown/2004/generalinnovation/article/0,22221
,768056,00.html

https://www.ansul.com/Products/clean_agent_systems/sapphire.asp

I'm sure I have the links to the MSDS and developer's info around
somewhere if anybody wants them.  Contact me off-list, since I'll
probably have to ask my assistant to dig them out.
=20
Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
www.thinkwelldesign.com=20


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060116113140.00d0b008 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:31:40
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: union dealings and 4 hr minimum

>To better illustrate my point(sorry for the band with)
>Getting a show that had already played all over North
>America into the Kodak in LA was like going to a
>foreign country.

I had similar problems at a venue populated by the same folk.  We knew that
the venue had this kind of issue going in.  The last time we put a show in
we had to fire three guys off the rail in the first 24 hours.  This time
was a bit different for me, however, as the house sound guy was a list
member, and treated me like a visiting dignitary.  
This local really tends to be the example that people cite as why the IA
isn't a good thing.  I have met crew from this local that are absolutely
great, and those that are absolutely horrid.  I've not experienced anything
in between.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060116114859.00d0b008 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:48:59
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Carpentry/Paint Call

>That works for a periodic Seder, too. Did you request a bump for Tet?

All I need is some (even anecdotal) evidence of a personal historical
religious bent in that direction, and it goes on the list!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <cf.365273e9.30fd4682 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:57:06 EST
Subject: Re: Union Dealings

In a message dated 16/01/06 13:19:15 GMT Standard Time, 
theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes:

> Yes, I can think of several examples where certain powerful unions (not,
>  to my knowledge, IATSE) have gone on strike simply to show how powerful
>  they are, and to extort even more unreasonable (IMO) demands from the
>  employer. Those unions have forgotten why they exist.
>  
>  Now that I think about it, it seems to me those unions tend to exist in
>  industries where the only work available is through the union (e.g.
>  government, auto workers, etc.). In theatre and film, you can still work
>  in non-union places, so I think the theatre and film unions tend to have
>  a more realistic view of their purpose, since many of the members have
>  probably worked in non-union places.

They tend to be unions whivh have established a closed shop. No union 
membership: no work. Back in the nineteenth century, some were truly awful. They 
would exact a premiun, and a hefty one, from someone wishing to work in a trade. 
Failure to pay led to sabotge. For instance, mixing gunpowder into the ashes of 
your forge, so that it literally blew up in your face when you lit up. See 
Charles Reade's "Put Yourself in His Place", which is a fictionalised account of 
the cutlery trade in Sheffield in those days.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <43CBE810.9030000 [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:38:08 -0500
From: Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Reply-To:  Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com
Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc
Subject: Re: Fire suppression
References: <list-26719370 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26719370 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Finney wrote:

>The product is called Novec 1230 or "Sapphire", and is part of fire
>suppression systems from Tyco and Ansul.  Developed by 3M, in
>partnership with Tyco.  Very, very cool stuff (we're looking at it for
>some effects work), but not cheap.  Already deployed and operational.  
>

I thought it was particularly interesting as the demo I saw was right 
after the Subway signal transformer fire here in NYC.  It sounded as if 
it would be perfect for that type of application:  Locked electrical 
closet that when a homeless person sets a fire could set shut down a 
subway line for a week or two...

-- 
Barney Simon
JC Hansen Co., Inc
Drapes Drops and Dance Floors

423 West 43rd Street, NYC
212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189
JCHansen.com
866-988-8055



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <287.4053598.30fd4be6 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:20:06 EST
Subject: Re: College/Professional Advice4

In a message dated 16/01/06 13:57:30 GMT Standard Time, 
paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes:

> What high school classes do you wish you had taken?>>
>  
>  I attended a college prep high school (Fenwick, Oak Park, IL) so did not
>  have much of an option... actually no options.
>  
>  I did have a few classes that I consider a waste of time:

But, did you know that, then? I didn't, at that time in my life.

The English system offered virtually no choices, then. I did English 
Language, English Literature (which I failed: the teacher's tastes and mine were poles 
apart. Richard II, The Cloister and the Hearth, and the poems of Wordsworth), 
Latin (because it was thought that I had the potential for Oxford or 
Cambridge, which then required it), French, History, Geography, Physics, Chemistry, 
and Maths. I regret none of them, really. With the 20/20 vision that hindsight 
affords, I wish I had studied German, Italian, and Technical Drawing, as well. 
Technical Drawing I have taught myself: The two languages would have proved 
useful, forty years on. I have a smattering of both, but opera is not very good 
at providing a vocabulary for everyday affairs.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <26f.4333a20.30fd5172 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:43:46 EST
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant

In a message dated 16/01/06 15:02:12 GMT Standard Time, bill-conner [at] att.net 
writes:

> I believe that our regulations on the safe and orderly egress of the 
>  audience and performers and technicians are in fact much more stringent 
then 
> 
>  yours, especially when the changes resulting from the Station nightclub 
fire 
> 
>  are factored in.  Of course that doesn't necessarily take into account 
that 
>  as a society, we in the US tend to rely on regulations more than personal 
>  initiative for our safety and usually fail to be proactive or go out of 
our 
>  way in the least to mitigate an obvious hazard.  Thus, the endless cycle, 
>  and new regulations are enacted because of this.

I don't know your rules, and you don't know mine, and we work in very 
different theatres.

When I was a Safety Advisor, I and my collegue checked out the show after a 
late rehearsal. All the fire appliances had to be in place, and all the exit 
doors unobstructed, and the exit paths from them too. That's basic. Trip 
hazards, handrails, emergency lighting were all checked, as was anything else we 
thought of.

Neither of us was a professional. Dr. Davidson would probably find some 
things we had overlooked, but he is a professional pessimist, and rightly so. I do 
not personally believe that a hazard-free environment is possible, in the home 
or in the theatre. I just try.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2ca.1ecc353.30fd5549 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:00:09 EST
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant

In a message dated 16/01/06 17:37:48 GMT Standard Time, dale [at] cybercom.net 
writes:

>    The objections frank had to sprinkler systems in a 
>  theater are all solved problems.

I am glad to hear that. Sceptical, but glad.

Tell me, and us, of the solutions.


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: Article: lighting life outside of theater
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:33:19 -0600
Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB097B5FC4 [at] danube.river.idm.com>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>

Shoot - if you read Live Design or PLSN, it seems MOST of the lighting =
work is outside of theatre.  It seems to always be about automated =
lighting on concerts or trade shows, w/just a dash of theatre articles =
thrown in here and there.  But there's a lot of work in museums, =
churches and clubs too, I guess.

And, there's a whole other industry (spotlighted at shows like LightFair =
International) that focus on residential and retail lighting =
applications.

I think, at least career-wise, theatre seems to be at the bottom of the =
lighting world.  Although it's my favorite aspect, I never did find a =
way to support a family with it, and now work fulltime in software (and =
only part-time in theatre lighting design).  Maybe I never looked hard =
enough, but it seems all the money is in concerts & trade shows.


- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
---------------------------
http://www.stagelights.info



>I've been asked to write an article on the topic: "Is there a lighting
>life outside of theater (i.e. corporate gigs, architecture, etc.) ?
>Are schools teaching kids this?"

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980601161247s4343d48dwc188e41aae5e752b [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:47:03 -0500
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
In-Reply-To: <list-26723006 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26723006 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/16/06, Steven Haworth <sjh [at] idm.com> wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Shoot - if you read Live Design or PLSN, it seems MOST of the lighting wo=
rk is outside of theatre.
------------------------------

That's the thing... Many of the most successful stage lighting
designers are supporting themselves via non-theater design work. Ice
shows, theme shows, industrials, etc.... The request for the article
comes from a publication that mainly covers the theatrical world and
they are curious about our training viewpoints and practices.

Sonny Sonnenfeld wrote a piece that appeared in one of the lighting
magazines discussing this very point. Having a lighting life outside
of lighting design for the stage. It addresses areas including sales,
manufacture and other services.

My work is to focus on what the educational community is doing to
train those who decide stage "design" is not their thing.

Scott

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060116124919.01f60658 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:54:45 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: modern instructions

We just got a new small (2 gallon) air compressor and I see modern 
instructions are more amusing than they used to be.

It came with a hose and a couple of inflator/blow accessories.  But, 
no quick release fittings.  You are supposed to screw and unscrew 
tools as needed.  Also, it says to remove
all tools and hoses at the end of every day.

You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less than 50 
psi before opening the water drain (also every day).

Ok, so who's shop does this?  :)

-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <007801c61ae2$15460800$1401a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP>
Reply-To: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
From: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:16:14 -0500

We use to do that daily here when we built scenery alot with the large (50 
gallon?) compressor we own. It was suprising how much water, not to mention 
rusty looking water, built up in the compressor when you let it go for a 
week. Especially if it was being used constantly and thus recycling alot.
Now that we rarely use it we have to remember to actually go up and do it 
ONCE in a while. Small units should be fairly easy to bleed and drain and is 
meant to keep them from rusting through from the inside out!

Chris

Christopher Harris
Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: modern instructions


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> We just got a new small (2 gallon) air compressor and I see modern 
> instructions are more amusing than they used to be.
>
> It came with a hose and a couple of inflator/blow accessories.  But, no 
> quick release fittings.  You are supposed to screw and unscrew tools as 
> needed.  Also, it says to remove
> all tools and hoses at the end of every day.
>
> You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less than 50 psi 
> before opening the water drain (also every day).
>
> Ok, so who's shop does this?  :)
>
> -- 
> Jerry Durand
> Durand Interstellar, Inc.
> 219 Oak Wood Way
> Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
> web:  www.interstellar.com
>
>
> 



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:19:05 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-reply-to: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43CC0DC9.2020505 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Durand wrote:


> You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less than 50 psi 
> before opening the water drain (also every day).

We try to drain our tank weekly, and after opening the valve at 100 
psi a few times while installing the system, we let the compressor 
empty before opening the water drain.  That stuff hurts at high 
pressure.  :)

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <019f01c61ae3$35382c50$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE>
Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com>
References: <list-26719275 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Call Time
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:59:22 -0500

One contract I saw for actors and stage managers said the only excuse for 
being late was death.   Your own!   And even then it was highly desirable 
that it be schedule a month in advance.

Alf 


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From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: modern instructions
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:29:13 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20060116212928.JNOC23065.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

I used to run an audio CD and cassette duplication shop (before CD-Rs were
so common and cheap) and we had several machines that was air powered.  The
manual on our compressor said all the same stuff as you've quoted.  I
decided it was best to follow those instructions, so it was somebody's job
everyday to run down the tank pressure and drain the water.  In the work
area, we added quick release fittings where they would be helpful.

Jim
www.theatrewireless.com

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Jerry Durand
> Sent: January 16, 2006 3:55 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: modern instructions
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> We just got a new small (2 gallon) air compressor and I see 
> modern instructions are more amusing than they used to be.
> 
> It came with a hose and a couple of inflator/blow 
> accessories.  But, no quick release fittings.  You are 
> supposed to screw and unscrew tools as needed.  Also, it says 
> to remove all tools and hoses at the end of every day.
> 
> You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less 
> than 50 psi before opening the water drain (also every day).
> 
> Ok, so who's shop does this?  :)
> 
> --
> Jerry Durand
> Durand Interstellar, Inc.
> 219 Oak Wood Way
> Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
> web:  www.interstellar.com
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV2C323F26E82BAC53D0A52DF1B0 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: Walkie-Talkie
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:31:56 -0600
Message-ID: <002901c61ae4$5e015890$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-26535376 [at] prxy.net>

We use Motorola Radius Sp-50's. We get them cheaper used from a contact at
the local racetrack. Apparently the racetrack people like to keep upgrading
to the latest and greatest, so they have a lot of used equipment available
at a better price than buying new.

Laura
The Dallas Opera


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Cosmo
> Catalano
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:11 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Walkie-Talkie
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Can we re-vist the walkie talkie discussion we've had in the past?  Is
> there any new equipment worth looking at?  We have found the Motorola
> Walkabouts to not give us the coverage we need, particularly in the
> lower areas of our building.  Is there a step up from them w/o getting
> into high end equipment?
> 
> Cosmo


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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060116134008.01fb15e8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:40:51 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-Reply-To: <list-26724220 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26724220 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:29 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
>I used to run an audio CD and cassette duplication shop (before CD-Rs were
>so common and cheap) and we had several machines that was air powered.  The
>manual on our compressor said all the same stuff as you've quoted.  I
>decided it was best to follow those instructions, so it was somebody's job
>everyday to run down the tank pressure and drain the water.  In the work
>area, we added quick release fittings where they would be helpful.

So, you also removed all hoses every day?  Without quick-release 
fittings?  Seems a lot of wear and tear on threads.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



------------------------------

From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: modern instructions
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:53:33 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26724460 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20060116215403.TNZH5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

Sorry -- no.  That's just plain silly.  :)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Jerry Durand
> Sent: January 16, 2006 4:41 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: modern instructions
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 01:29 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
> >I used to run an audio CD and cassette duplication shop 
> (before CD-Rs 
> >were so common and cheap) and we had several machines that was air 
> >powered.  The manual on our compressor said all the same stuff as 
> >you've quoted.  I decided it was best to follow those 
> instructions, so 
> >it was somebody's job everyday to run down the tank pressure 
> and drain 
> >the water.  In the work area, we added quick release 
> fittings where they would be helpful.
> 
> So, you also removed all hoses every day?  Without 
> quick-release fittings?  Seems a lot of wear and tear on threads.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand
> Durand Interstellar, Inc.
> 219 Oak Wood Way
> Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
> web:  www.interstellar.com
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message-Id: <2F7B20D8-C561-4C1A-BFFC-B3720ACF20D6 [at] umich.edu>
From: Patrick Drone <padrone [at] umich.edu>
Subject: Racks Alot
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:10:13 -0500

Greeting Everyone,
I have recently been given a task that I'm looking for options and  
opinions from the great oracles. I'm have to come up with 2500 linear  
feet of hanging costume storage racks. I have been unable to locate  
any companies that make racks. So I am now planning on building the  
rack, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Are there designs that  
anyone has seen and liked? Or Disliked? In some of the warehouse  
space I am concedering hanging 1" schedule #40  pipes from the  
beams.  With the pick points at about 7 feet on center. Unfortunately  
about 1100 feet of the racks will be in an area that does not have a  
load bearing beams and has a ceiling height that is at about 10 feet.  
So the racks will need to come up from the floor  with cross pipe at  
about 6 feet 4 inches to hang the costumes on. What I'm unsure of is  
the using of pipe fitting for structure. Any help or ideas are welcome.
Thanks
Patrick A Drone	
Props Artisan
padrone [at] umich.edu

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:16:07 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Racks Alot
In-reply-to: <list-26724953 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43CC1B27.6020005 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26724953 [at] prxy.net>

Patrick Drone wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
  So I am now planning on building the  rack,
> but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Are there designs that  anyone 
> has seen and liked? Or Disliked? In some of the warehouse  space I am 
> concedering hanging 1" schedule #40  pipes from the  beams.  With the 
> pick points at about 7 feet on center. Unfortunately  about 1100 feet of 
> the racks will be in an area that does not have a  load bearing beams 
> and has a ceiling height that is at about 10 feet.  

We have costume storage shoehorned into any available space in the 
building.  One thing to consider is double stacking your costume racks 
when possible.  You can usually fit two rows of mens suits, shirts, 
pants into 8' of height, much less 10.  The more you can do this, the 
less floor space you'll need.

Our "permanent" racks are made with Kee Klamp fittings
http://www.keeklamp.com/us/index.html

Some flanges to hold the uprights in place at the floor and ceiling, 
and a ton of rigid tees to hold the crosspieces in place.

Hope that helps a little.

Steve Litterst


-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060116171636.038ee9f0 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:19:03 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Racks Alot
In-Reply-To: <list-26724953 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26724953 [at] prxy.net>

We did something similar with our Newer warehouse space at Cornell.  We 
used Kee Clamps.  When Dick Archer sees this in the morning, I'm sure he 
can give you some help.
-Ford

>Greeting Everyone,
>I have recently been given a task that I'm looking for options and
>opinions from the great oracles....

>  Any help or ideas are welcome.
>Thanks
>Patrick A Drone
>Props Artisan
>padrone [at] umich.edu



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Subject: RE: Article: lighting life outside of theater
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:31:05 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E088 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

Scott writes:
"My work is to focus on what the educational community is doing to train
those who decide stage "design" is not their thing."

Funny you should state this in such a way.  That's precisely what I
found out and how I felt when I went the route of Higher Education.  I
discovered in High School that I had a passion for Technical Theatre,
and promptly headed off to college to pursue that dream.  Boy oh boy was
I ever disappointed. =20

I had no desire, and was mostly averse to how much the programs were
design-oriented at the particular school I went to for a short time.  I
quickly realized the kind of training I needed was perhaps best gleaned
from real-world experience (or some other school with an entirely
different focus). =20

I wish I- as a young, gung-ho technician, would have had more, or dare I
say BETTER, guidance for my career goals. I feel I could have gotten
where I am much faster and much more efficiently.  Looking back, I
probably would have been better served going to a 2 year technical
college and getting a degree in Electronics or Drafting.  I started out
100% focused on getting a job in a theatre, but over the years, my main
bread and butter has ultimately become Technical Service, Sales, and
Project Management...and I LOVE what I do!

Abby

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Subject: Questions on automated scenery
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:55:32 -0600
Message-ID: <2121C6A125DFE64FAC02D41B52C3391602585EE1 [at] msc.uwgb.edu>
From: "Rock, Michael Edward" <ROCKME07 [at] uwgb.edu>

I have started looking at automated scenery and have more questions then =
when I started. I'm looking at put together a set inventory to build on =
later, for example two motors drums and a plc for control that can be =
assembled or added to on a show by show basis. Anyone have any tips or =
tricks to share? Right now my mind is trying to figure out a way to vary =
the speed of the motors, moving the wagons across the stage is not a =
problem but I can not think of a way to change the rate at which they =
move. Nothing has been bought yet and all the ideas are on paper so the =
project is pretty flexible as of now. I have experience with PLCs and =
ladder logic as does one other person in the department so the =
programming aspect should not be too bad.

=20

Mike Rock=20

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Message-ID: <002301c61af9$131240a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:00:49 -0800

> It came with a hose and a couple of inflator/blow accessories.  But, 
> no quick release fittings.  You are supposed to screw and unscrew 
> tools as needed.  Also, it says to remove
> all tools and hoses at the end of every day.
> 
> You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less than 50 
> psi before opening the water drain (also every day).
> 
> Ok, so who's shop does this?  :)


Mine.

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <be.3617aea0.30fd8e4e [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:03:26 EST
Subject: Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater

In a message dated 16/01/06 22:22:45 GMT Standard Time, 
aldowning [at] onlocationls.com writes:

> Scott writes:
>  "My work is to focus on what the educational community is doing to train
>  those who decide stage "design" is not their thing."

Interesting. There are many areas of lighting design: architectural, trade 
shows, concerts, and theatre. The principles behind each and every one of these 
are the same, as are the properties of the luminaires. When you come out of a 
course, you should know both. That is what schools are for. What use you make 
of what you have learnt is up to you.


Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:11:36 -0500
From: "Josh Ratty" <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
Subject: RE: modern instructions
In-reply-to: <list-26723906 [at] prxy.net>
Cc: chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net ('chrisharris25')
Reply-to: <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
Message-id: <01ae01c61afa$95a4f5c0$0201000a [at] Rattys>

Our large shop compressor (I don't know the size though I probably
should) is all hard plumbed out to various spots in the shop. But the
coolest thing about it is the automatic bleeder we have installed on it.
It opens the drain for a few seconds every couple of minutes or so. You
can adjust the timing of it to suit your needs. We(I) also went through
the trouble of installing an air dryer in the system so that much less
moisture makes it out to the shop. So I guess to answer the original
question - We don't.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
chrisharris25
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:16 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: modern instructions

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We use to do that daily here when we built scenery alot with the large
(50 
gallon?) compressor we own. It was suprising how much water, not to
mention 
rusty looking water, built up in the compressor when you let it go for a

week. Especially if it was being used constantly and thus recycling
alot.
Now that we rarely use it we have to remember to actually go up and do
it 
ONCE in a while. Small units should be fairly easy to bleed and drain
and is 
meant to keep them from rusting through from the inside out!

Chris

Christopher Harris
Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com




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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:43:40 -0800
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-reply-to: <list-26727437 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43CC3DBC.1060603 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
References: <list-26727437 [at] prxy.net>

The Grainger Catalog Number  4KT04 "Pneumatic Auto Drain, 1/4 Inch 
Female NPT' should do the trick.

And even with one of these, if you have a plasma cutter you also need an 
air dryer in-line.

Carla

Josh Ratty wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Our large shop compressor (I don't know the size though I probably
>should) is all hard plumbed out to various spots in the shop. But the
>coolest thing about it is the automatic bleeder we have installed on it.
>It opens the drain for a few seconds every couple of minutes or so. You
>can adjust the timing of it to suit your needs. We(I) also went through
>the trouble of installing an air dryer in the system so that much less
>moisture makes it out to the shop. So I guess to answer the original
>question - We don't.
>
>Josh
>
>  
>


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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060116165323.01f83480 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:57:24 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-Reply-To: <list-26727107 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26727107 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:00 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
>>It came with a hose and a couple of inflator/blow 
>>accessories.  But, no quick release fittings.  You are supposed to 
>>screw and unscrew tools as needed.  Also, it says to remove
>>all tools and hoses at the end of every day.
>>You are also supposed to run the tank pressure down to less than 50 
>>psi before opening the water drain (also every day).
>>Ok, so who's shop does this?  :)
>
>
>Mine.

You don't use quick-fittings and remove all hoses every day?

I know you meant drain the tank, just poking at the people who 
skipped the first part of my post.  :)

I like the auto-drains , but don't stand near one on a 100HP 
compressor when it opens!.  I also had the "pleasure" of walking by a 
smaller (10-25HP) compressor when the outlet pipe blew off.  Seems 
the installer had soldered the 2" copper pipe on with no flex 
coupling and it vibrated off.  I think that blast was worse than 
standing next to one of my fireworks mortars when it fires.



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <43CC42F6.3040803 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:05:58 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: modern instructions
References: <list-26723483 [at] prxy.net> <list-26723906 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26723906 [at] prxy.net>

chrisharris25 wrote:
> We use to do that daily here when we built scenery alot with the large
> (50 gallon?) compressor we own. It was suprising how much water, not to
> mention rusty looking water, built up in the compressor when you let it
> go for a week. Especially if it was being used constantly and thus
> recycling alot.

I came into a shop once, and at the end of the day I opened the drain
valve. From the astounded look on everyone's face, and the stench of the
water being expelled, I realized that nobody in the shop even knew you
were supposed to do that.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.0.20060116153858.01c32370 [at] insightbb.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:41:05 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Article: lighting life outside of theater
In-Reply-To: <list-26723006 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26723006 [at] prxy.net>

I believe that the vast majority of the dollars are in industrials 
and architectural lighting.

I am another part-timer: insurance agent, now, most of the time, a 
few select clients through the year for lighting design.

Mike

At 03:33 PM 1/16/2006, Steven Haworth wrote:

>I think, at least career-wise, theatre seems to be at the bottom of 
>the lighting world.  Although it's my favorite aspect, I never did 
>find a way to support a family with it, and now work fulltime in 
>software (and only part-time in theatre lighting design).  Maybe I 
>never looked hard enough, but it seems all the money is in concerts 
>& trade shows.


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Message-ID: <43CC53E1.5030501 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:18:09 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
References: <list-26727437 [at] prxy.net> <list-26728338 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26728338 [at] prxy.net>

Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote:

> The Grainger Catalog Number  4KT04 "Pneumatic Auto Drain, 1/4 Inch 
> Female NPT' should do the trick.
> 
> And even with one of these, if you have a plasma cutter you also need an 
> air dryer in-line.


We finally gave up on the whole air dryer thing, the last 
time we needed to do a bunch of plasma cutting we called our 
gas supplier and got a tank of nitrogen.   Cheap, absolutely 
dry and made a slightly nicer cut than air.

Stuart


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Message-ID: <43CC5722.6090104 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:32:02 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
References: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>

Rock, Michael Edward wrote:


> I have started looking at automated scenery and have more
> questions then when I started. I'm looking at put
> together a set inventory to build on later, for example
> two motors drums and a plc for control that can be
> assembled or added to on a show by show basis. Anyone
> have any tips or tricks to share?

You are gonna want a bunch of limits and/or encoders
and lots of E-stops!

> Right now my mind is
> trying to figure out a way to vary the speed of the
> motors, moving the wagons across the stage is not a
> problem but I can not think of a way to change the rate
> at which they move.

Vary the voltage supplied by means of an AC or DC motor 
controller.
Use a CVT or other transmission.
Generate the Three phase power for the motor in an inverter 
or VFD.

> Mike Rock
> 
> 



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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:57:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
In-reply-to: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <1448.172.175.112.224.1137466638.squirrel [at] 172.175.112.224>
References: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I have started looking at automated scenery and have more questions then
> when I started. I'm looking at put together a set inventory to build on
> later, for example two motors drums and a plc for control that can be
> assembled or added to on a show by show basis. Anyone have any tips or
> tricks to share? Right now my mind is trying to figure out a way to vary
> the speed of the motors, moving the wagons across the stage is not a
> problem but I can not think of a way to change the rate at which they
> move. Nothing has been bought yet and all the ideas are on paper so the
> project is pretty flexible as of now. I have experience with PLCs and
> ladder logic as does one other person in the department so the programming
> aspect should not be too bad.

We just ventured into this realm.  We purchased a system from Creative
Conners (creativeconners.com) of a motor, a motorised winch and two drive
units.  The software is easy to use and amazingly bug-free.  Our first
show with the motorised winch tech'd faster than most of our hand-operated
winch effects.

Steve Litterst
(disclaimer - Gareth Conners is a graduate of Ithaca College.  But we
picked his stuff because it worked)



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Message-ID: <43CC5EE4.6050606 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:05:08 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
References: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net>

Rock, Michael Edward wrote:
> I have started looking at automated scenery and have more questions
> then when I started. I'm looking at put together a set inventory to
> build on later, for example two motors drums and a plc for control
> that can be assembled or added to on a show by show basis. Anyone
> have any tips or tricks to share? Right now my mind is trying to
> figure out a way to vary the speed of the motors, moving the wagons
> across the stage is not a problem but I can not think of a way to
> change the rate at which they move.

I'm speaking more from a knowledge of robotics than of moving scenery,
but the principles are similar.

Use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) for your speed control. If the PLC
doesn't have a built-in PWM output (many microcontrollers do), it should
be trivial to implement.

You'll also need to compensate for the differences in wheel tracking -
if one motor is slightly faster than the other, or if one wheel has
slightly less traction, the set piece will not move in a straight line.
You'll need to compensate for that somehow. If you really want to get
fancy, line-following algorithms have been around long enough that
they're pretty much standard.

Here's a page with tons of schematics you may find useful:
http://commlinx.com.au/schematics.htm

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43CC6653.8090908 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:36:51 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
References: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net> <list-26730359 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26730359 [at] prxy.net>

Stuart Wheaton wrote:
> 
> Vary the voltage supplied by means of an AC or DC motor controller.

I don't know about AC, but for DC speed control, Pulse Width Modulation
(PWM) is much more effective than varying voltage, particularly at low
speeds. With PWM, the motor is either on, at full voltage (which is the
most efficient speed for the motor to run, dissipating the least heat),
or off. Speed is determined by modulating the width of the 'on' pulses:

(these diagrams best viewed in a fixed-pitch font)
Slow speed:
On  |-|            |-|
    | |            | |
Off | |____________| |____________

medium speed:
On  |------|       |------|
    |      |       |      |
Off |      |_______|      |_______

fast:
On  |-----------|  |-----------|
    |           |  |           |
Off |           |__|           |__

full speed:
On  ------------------------------


Off

You can get reeeeeeaaaaallllyyy sssllloooowwww with a PWM control, much
slower than with lowering the voltage. With voltage control, when the
voltage drops too low, the motor will simply stall, and generate a lot
of heat (and noise). If left stalled too long, you could burn out the
motor.  This also means there is a minimum speed the motor must run.
With the PWM control, you can go much slower, and the motor will not
suffer at all.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43CC669F.6010509 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:38:07 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
References: <list-26726977 [at] prxy.net> <list-26731269 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26731269 [at] prxy.net>

I wrote:
> Use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) for your speed control.

I had assumed DC motors - if you're using AC motors, I don't know if PWM
will work.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:37:50 -0600
Message-ID: <2121C6A125DFE64FAC02D41B52C3391602585EE3 [at] msc.uwgb.edu>
From: "Rock, Michael Edward" <ROCKME07 [at] uwgb.edu>

That looks like top notch stuff that would do the job but it is a bit =
spendy. Were there any other products you looked into?
=20
Mike

________________________________

From: Stagecraft on behalf of Stephen Litterst
Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 8:57 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Questions on automated scenery



For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see =
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>

We just ventured into this realm.  We purchased a system from Creative
Conners (creativeconners.com) of a motor, a motorised winch and two =
drive
units.  The software is easy to use and amazingly bug-free.  Our first
show with the motorised winch tech'd faster than most of our =
hand-operated
winch effects.

Steve Litterst
(disclaimer - Gareth Conners is a graduate of Ithaca College.  But we
picked his stuff because it worked)


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In-Reply-To: <list-26708098 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26708098 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <199347B6-870E-11DA-8D46-000A9592AE20 [at] tany.com>
From: Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
Subject: Autoyoke personality for Expression 3
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:02:38 -0500

I need an Autoyoke personality for Expression 3.  I download the one on 
the City Theatrical website, but when I put it into the console, nada. 
I followed the directions ETC gives exactly but the board ignores the 
disk entirely.

Anyone out there done this?


BA

Brian Aldous
Lighting Design

brian [at] tany.com


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