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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #658

 1. Re: Tour loadouts
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 2. Re: Tour Loadouts
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
 3. Re: Tech table designs
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 4. Re: Tour loadouts
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 5. Tour loadouts
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
 6. Re: Autoyoke personality for Expression 3
    by "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
 7. Re: Tech table designs
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: Tech table designs
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 9. Re: Tour loadouts
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
10. Painting Scrim
    by "Dulcie Arnold" <Dulcie_Arnold [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>
11. Re: Feller Auction
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
12. Re: modern instructions
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
13. Re: Tech tabel designs
    by Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
14. Re: Painting Scrim
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
15. Re: Trade publications, was tech tables
    by "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" <Trey.Haagen [at] usafa.af.mil>
16. Re: Tech table designs
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
17. Aye
    by rwhitco [at] comcast.net
18. Re: frayed strap?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. Long Reach Long Rider Announcement (OT)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
20. Re: Rocks (was Scenery and Flame Retardant)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
21. Re: frayed strap?
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
22. Re: frayed strap?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
23. imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "Ben Thoron" <bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org>
24. Re: Tech table designs
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
25. Tech Table Design
    by "dk" <dk [at] calarts.edu>
26. Tour loadouts
    by <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
27. Re: Tour loadouts
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
28. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: Lightweight Headsets
    by "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
30. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
31. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
32. Re: Tour loadouts
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
33. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
34. Re: Tour loadouts
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
35. Re: Tour loadouts
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
36. Re: modern instructions
    by "Chip" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
37. Re: modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
38. Re: modern instructions
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
39. Re: modern instructions
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
40. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
41. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
42. Re: Tech table designs
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
43. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
44. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
45. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
46. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
47. Re: modern instructions
    by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
48. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
49. Electro-Luminescent tape
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
50. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
51. Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
52. Re: modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
53. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
54. Rope Light Cutting
    by "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
55. Re: Rope Light Cutting
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
56. Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
    by Shawn King <skingld [at] gmail.com>
57. Sand blaster cabinet advice
    by "Dre Suchoski" <DSuchoski [at] olneytheatre.org>
58. Re: modern instructions
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
59. Re: modern instructions
    by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
60. Re: modern instructions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
61. Re: Rope Light Cutting
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
62. Re: Rope Light Cutting (and purchasing)
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
63. Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
64. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
65. Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
66. Homemade fiber optic curtains
    by "Dirk Van Pernis" <DVanpernis [at] olneytheatre.org>
67. Re: Homemade fiber optic curtains
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
68. Re: Rope Light Cutting
    by <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
69. Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
70. Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
71. Re: Trade publications, was tech tables
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
72. Re: modern instructions
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
73. Laptop Lock-down Cables
    by Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
74. Re: Tech table designs
    by gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
75. A great Little Prodcut
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
76. Re: Laptop Lock-down Cables
    by Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
77. Re: Laptop Lock-down Cables
    by Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
78. Re: A great Little Prodcut
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>

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Message-ID: <43CDD5EE.1040504 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:45:18 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Tour loadouts
References: <list-26763619 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26763619 [at] prxy.net>

Greg Bierly wrote:
> Is this a  touring technique
> to make the local crew feel good or motivate us to  keep load-out moving?

It seems to me that if they really thought it would take 1:45 and they
wanted to motivate you to move faster, they'd tell you it takes 1:30.

But then I've never worked on a tour, either as a roadie or as a house tech.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601180558p4fe55cc6m5db5047c906a152 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:58:18 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tour Loadouts

Back in my touring days, we rarely told crews the out time. No sense
in getting anyones hopes up, or making a "competition" out of it.
That's how folks get hurt {oh, it happens}.
We just busted hump until it was finished. And similarly to Josh's
experiences, if a crew had the best time, we told them and meant it!

On house crews, well, sometimes we'd ask. But in most cases, we're
getting paid anyway so who cares?  I mean, if we were on a minimum or
day rate, sure we'd zip through the out because that meant more time
at the local watering hole {of which McHales is no longer one of them
so I hear  :(-  }.  But if the call was one in which we were not
following that format (just straight hourly), well.... {from the house
crew perspective} time is money. And that is not to say the crew would
be unprofessional and purposely work slow, but you know what I mean, I
assure you no one was going to cry if we went an extra 15 min
{especially after midnight, cause that rounds up!}  :)

I also found that a number of companies {out of the ones who gave us
time frames} seemed to have a slightly exaggerated out time. Nothing
dramatic, but that of a comfortable cushion. Since every house, and
every crew are different, you have to cover all the bases, and allow
for a "margin of error". Again, {from the producers perspective} time
is money :)

--
SS
TTS-EKU


"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
  --Bill Lumbergh

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Message-ID: <43CE4C93.2050402 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:31 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Tech table designs
References: <list-26744596 [at] prxy.net> <list-26745586 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26745586 [at] prxy.net>

Ford Sellers wrote:
> I am kinda partial to our design.  It is a SIMPLE table, about 2' deep
> and 3' wide, with legs on one side, slightly taller than our chairs (so
> that it sits in the row below the user, and rests over the seat).  It

Do you have any pictures you can upload to the gallery?

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Subject: RE: Tour loadouts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:13:57 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AA7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

There are any number of possible answers to the OP's question (that's
Original Poster, not Olde Pharte, btw).

When I did the touring thing, yes, if I told the house crew that their
time was the best, I meant that.  But at the same time, I'd have
different answers for the question of "how long" depending on the venue
and crew...and any answers would usually be prefaced with "How many
hands will we have for load-out?"

On the flipside, by the I'm asking the touring groups about their usual
times, I have a pretty good sense of what sort of folks they are.  There
are those who, in the advance, will say things like "Oh, we just have a
couple of always-on mics and three or four lighting areas, so showing up
90 minutes to curtain should be plenty of time."  For groups like that,
I usually double what they figure as a minimum.  The more reputable
companies have a pretty good idea and have no trouble communicating
that...and I'll in turn figure accordingly.

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Message-ID: <20060118142901.97769.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:29:01 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Tour loadouts
In-Reply-To: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>


When a local would beat our best time we would have
them document it on the wall of the last truck to be
loaded. The local # and time of out. By doing it that
way the locals wanted to beat the "best", especially
if the best time was held by a high school. 
One stop the locals had their own pool. Whoever wanted
to play would pay a buck and pick a time. The times
were recorded and whoever was closest to the real out
time won the cash.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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From: "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
Subject: Re: Autoyoke personality for Expression 3
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:35:53 -0500
Message-ID: <JNEMKLCHNOMOHOGEILMLKEHHCNAA.anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>

To answer Brian's question for all concerned:

Here are the instructions for loading the AutoYoke personality from the
website onto an Express/Expression series console:

(Note:  These instructions are designed for the uninitiated operator, no
disrespect is intended toward other users)

1) Download the ETC Personalities from
http://citytheatrical.com/ETC_Application/etc.zip
2) Unzip and copy contents of Expression3 folder to a floppy disk.  Do not
copy the folder, just the contents.  The personality files must not be
inside any folders on the disk for the console to see them.
3) Remove the disk from the computer and put it in the floppy drive of the
console (drive is usually located on the right side of console)
4) In the set-up screen , choose Option 15 for Moving Light Functions (this
number may differ depending upon console software)
5) In the Moving Light Functions screen, choose option 1 for Personality
Setup
6) With the disk in the drive, press S1 From Disk and then press Enter
7) The Personalities on the floppy disk should show in the column on the
screen

Please Call City Theatrical with any questions -  800-230-9497
ETC Tech support - 800-688-4116


Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager
City Theatrical, Inc.
752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454
Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
web:    www.citytheatrical.com





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Message-ID: <004301c61c45$6f4df920$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26744596 [at] prxy.net> <list-26745586 [at] prxy.net> <list-26777014 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Tech table designs
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:39:57 -0800

>> I am kinda partial to our design.  It is a SIMPLE table, about 2' deep
>
> Do you have any pictures you can upload to the gallery?
>


I second this.  I found this thread very interesting, and would love it if 
lots o' people would upload pics of their tech tables (good or bad) so the 
rest of us could get ideas, improve our own, or just plain outdo each 
other's.  (First cup holders, next: foot massage units?)

As a tangent... I really appreciate this list, particularly when it gets to 
folks sharing their construction/hacking techniques, such as the headset 
thread, the automated scenery thread, etc.  Pictures can speak volumes, and 
I for one would like to see some to accompany the threads.  (Noah, can an 
FTP be set up, accessible only to subscribers?)  These "how to" threads are 
most welcome to me, now that the trade mags (the ones left) are all about 
Celine Dion, U2, mega-LED screens, Dataton Watchout, the newest unaffordale 
(for theatuh) wiggle light, how to be a good hampster, Final Cut Pro, tax 
hints for roadies, and truss.  (Do you remember the days when "Theatre 
Crafts" used to run articles on molding scenic elements?)

Whoa, almost turned into a rant there....

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Subject: RE: Tech table designs
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:07:13 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AA8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> These "how=20
> to" threads are=20
> most welcome to me, now that the trade mags (the ones left)=20
> are all about=20
> Celine Dion, U2, mega-LED screens, Dataton Watchout, the=20
> newest unaffordale=20
> (for theatuh) wiggle light, how to be a good hampster, Final=20
> Cut Pro, tax=20
> hints for roadies, and truss.  (Do you remember the days when=20
> "Theatre=20
> Crafts" used to run articles on molding scenic elements?)
>=20
> Whoa, almost turned into a rant there....

I'd like to second this second...maybe what we need magazine-wise is a
TapeOp clone (including the "free subscription" part) for backstage
work.

Dammit, now I've gone and given myself something waaaay too fun to think
about the rest of the day when I really need to be finishing up detail
work on my set...

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Message-ID: <43CE69C8.6040004 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:16:08 -0500
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: Tour loadouts
References: <list-26763619 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26763619 [at] prxy.net>

Greg Bierly wrote:
> The Union thread got me thinking.  Many times for a loadout the road  
> crew states that it takes 2 hours and 15 min to load out.  When we  
> close the trucks at 1 hour and 45 min they tell us that is the best  out 
> they have had.  Are we being fed a line or are they being  truthful?  I 
> have reasons for doubting the sincerity.  Is this a  touring technique 
> to make the local crew feel good or motivate us to  keep load-out moving?

A fast load-out can be bad news if your show isn't loaded right, because 
then you have a longer load-in at the next stop as you have to sort out 
the mess of the load-out. A timely load-in is much more important 
because of the deadline of the rising curtain.

When I trooped shows I never hurried the load-out, and if asked how long 
it would probably take I always added a good margin.  I always told the 
local crew that they were the best (local crew I ever had at that 
venue)...  A good roadie makes friends everywhere, cause you never know 
when you're going to be back or where you'll see the same faces again.

-------------Howie

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Message-id: <fc.000f52c100b77764000f52c100b77764.b77888 [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:23:43 -0500
Subject: Painting Scrim
From: "Dulcie Arnold" <Dulcie_Arnold [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>

Hello,

Does anyone have any tips for painting scrim? We've painted drops before,
but never scrim.  

We've started, using saturated color in a lot of water, and we're careful
not to fill the holes.  It's rather slow-going and we are 'making up our
techniques as we go".
Do you have any painting tips you could share?

Also, it's 100% cotton, and we were wondering about shrinkage.  
Has this been a problem for anyone?

When we hang it, how taut do we want it?  How would you make it as taut as
necessary?
The scrim will be stationary throughout the show.  We need to make some
sort of muslin pocket for a pipe or chain at the bottom andrig a way to
hang it from the pipe.

So far it looks great, but it is always helpful to hear other ideas.

Thanks,
Dulcie Arnold
Rye Country Day School


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Message-ID: <43CE6CC5.3010109 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:28:53 -0500
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: Feller Auction
References: <list-26746492 [at] prxy.net> <list-26746898 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26746898 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Litterst wrote:
> 
> For anyone in the Tappan area, auction info can be found here
> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/event.php?event=2752
> 

I always thought Fellers automation equipment was the best, I was one of 
the first to take the Showtrack computer automation system on tour (with 
Cabaret, back in 1987).  I stopped in at the Wintergarden last month to 
visit some friends and I saw they were still using the same Showtrack 
consoles on Mama Mia.

Pete Jr. was a class act all the way, I hope he enjoys his retirement, 
he well deserves it.

Anybody who needs winches, sheaves, or machine tools - you can bid 
online tomorrow if you wire the auctioneer a deposit today!

----------------Howie

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060118093726.00d049a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:37:26
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions

>Or my favourite, on a chain saw - "do not stop chain with your hand." Duh!
>
>Sometimes I wonder if the label's there because someone's dreaming up
>totally implausible scenarios, or because someone's actually tried it...

Trust me, some a-hole tried to sue over it.  It was probably the guy that
got a chainsaw and then trie to return it.  He said it wasn't any better
than his old hand saw, in fact it was harder.  We knew we had a winner when
we tried it out behind the shop to see what was the matter with it and he
said, "What the heck is that racket!"
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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In-Reply-To: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <D6C6E87E-8840-11DA-8F83-000A95BD64AC [at] earthlink.net>
From: Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tech tabel designs
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:38:22 -0500

Being the sound department, with Com going EVERYWHERE (especially in 
NYC), everyone usually ends up stealing our quad boxes, waber strips, 
and Edison AC cable for their laptops, LittleLites, and miscellaneous 
gear!
The big issue, is to usually find some sort of house power to power all 
the tech tables, since I hate having all that ungrounded stuff tied 
into sound power.
I have seen tech tables that have power strips tie-strapped, velcroed, 
or screwed into tech tables so that everyone has a convenience outlet 
(or 3 or 4) for their personal gear (NOT show related equipment!).
Alternatively, you can have dedicated circuits for electrics (console, 
6 video monitors, moving light console, another 4 video monitors, 
laptop, wireless router, television, dvd player, etc.) as well.  That 
way, when people start complaining that their LittleLites aren't 
working, you can track power down to a house circuit or turn it over to 
the head electrician!

Cheers,
Sunil Rajan
Freelance Audio Mercenary
currently: PSE, Altar Boyz NYC

On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote:

>> So listers, if you could have your dream lighting tech table, what 
>> features
>> would it have, and what things would you want to definitely avoid?


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Message-ID: <43CE71C1.2010105 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:50:09 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Painting Scrim
References: <list-26780596 [at] prxy.net>

I think I would have recommended fabricating the web and grommets at the 
top (or a 1x4 sandwich batten) and the PIPE pocket at the bottom first 
b4 painting.  You can still do it after the fact but it will be a tad 
more tetchy to get stitched up properly plus you run the risk of fouling 
your sewing machine.  Because the webbing at the top will stabilize the 
goods, it will help to insure a nice straight layout as you tack or 
staple the scrim to the floor.  Just try not to overstretch the goods in 
the process.  You want it pretty taut and flat but not tooooo tight so 
as to leave wrinkles when the tension is released.  Can't tell you how 
many inch pounds of force to apply but just make sure the tension is 
even all around the perimeter.  There will be a bit of shrinkage but it 
will not be as excessive as ordinary muslin goods.  It may well stretch 
back out a bit after it is painted and hung.  Prep and layout are 
crucial for success in this process.  There is a great description of 
the process in Lynn Pecktal's book "Designing and Painting for the 
Theatre".  Kind of older text but very good stuff if you can find one.

Good Luck,
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia

Dulcie Arnold wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone have any tips for painting scrim? 


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Subject: RE: Trade publications, was tech tables
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:53:08 -0700
Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4CEE [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil>
From: "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" <Trey.Haagen [at] usafa.af.mil>


Oh.  Oh, yes.  Yes.  I shall third this. (And it may turn into a rant =
thread.)   I had subscribed to
Theatre Crafts for years and years.  When the new, improved and larger =
sized  "Catwoman" on the front, edition appeared,
I let my subscription run out.  No longer a handy size.  Then the =
evolution of the publication continued.  It was leaving the community, =
high school and many institutions of higher education behind.   I like =
to see and learn about the current "wow" factors and eye candy that will =
make it to our venue in 5-10 years, but I appreciated the publication =
more when we read about scenic molding, make-up techniques and less =
expensive solutions.=20

Stage Directions almost comes close, but still not the focus of the old =
Theatre Crafts.

And, by the way.  If anyone is interested.  I have and would like to =
jettison a collection of Lighting Dimensions.
This is not a pristine set.  Over the years I have probably, in a moment =
of weakness, loaned out a few that have not come back or have been =
unable to rescue a few from my wife's weekend cleanings.  If I must =
guess, I would say that I have all except about 12-18.  From the first =
clown on the front copy to the last before the recent merger.  If you =
have a Fed-Ex
Account you can contact me off list.  Another publication that went from =
Theatre to Architecture to kinda' entertainment and club scene and back =
again... and again...and again.
 =20
=20
=20
Trey H=E4agen
Arnold Hall Theatre
USAF Academy
V:(719) 333-2721
F:(719) 333-2099
=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon =
Ares
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 08:40
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Tech table designs


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


  (Do you remember the days when "Theatre=20
Crafts" used to run articles on molding scenic elements?)

Whoa, almost turned into a rant there....

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative=20


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:54:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Tech table designs
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BFF3DD00.CC1B%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26780238 [at] prxy.net>

>> These "how to" threads are
>> most welcome to me, now that the trade mags (the ones left)
<Snip>
>> (Do you remember the days when
>> "Theatre  Crafts" used to run articles on molding scenic elements?)
> 
> I'd like to second this second..

Moved and seconded - twice. All in favour say "Aye"

Aye

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net
Subject: Aye
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:58:23 +0000
Message-Id: <011820061658.11090.43CE73AF000EB06C00002B522206998499010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net>

  
> Moved and seconded - twice. All in favour say "Aye"

Randy Whitcomb
Manager/TD
Price Civic Aud.
Loveland, CO

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060118100802.00d049a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:08:02
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: frayed strap?

> I had a roommate back in the 1970's who worked on the 'chutes and
> space suits...I trust you more.  I DID get to try on an Apollo moon
> landing suit, HEAVY!

*sigh* Jerry, you *KNOW* that it isn't going to be that heavy on stage!  At
least, not in the venue that it was originally designed for.  ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:16:19 -0500
Subject: Long Reach Long Rider Announcement (OT)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF3E213.7B18%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26780714 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy all.  Thanks for the bandwidth.  I just sent out a press release that
I wanted to share with you.  As you (hopefully) know, we'll be at it again
this year and we are looking for your support in whatever way you deem
possible.  Both organizations (Behind the Scenes and BC/EFA) that will
benefit from this year's ride are very pertinent to our industry.   Last
year we were 12 bikes, and 1 chase car.  We raised over $28,000.00.  All of
which was better than the year before (our 1st year)  It's my hope that we
set new records again this year but to do that we'll need your help.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me off list.
For all of the LRLR merry band.
Thanks

Bill S



The Long Reach Long Riders announce a new rider program for their upcoming
charity ride.

"We've received a number of requests", Bill Sapsis of the LRLR explains,
"from riders who wanted to join us on the trip but couldn't make the full
time commitment.  So, in addition to those who want to ride the full route,
we're also opening up the ride to day trippers.  This ride has been a lot of
fun and we wanted as many people as possible to participate."

The Long Reach Long Riders third annual cross country charity motorcycle
ride begins on July 9, 2006.  The beneficiaries of this year's ride are the
ESTA Foundation's Behind the Scenes and Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS.

To join the ride, make a donation or sponsor a service along the route,
please go to www.LRLR.org for more information.

Thank you

LRLR Contacts:
        Bill Sapsis     <Bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
        Greg Williams   <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
        Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
        Moe Conn        <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>



www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060118102352.00d049a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:23:52
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Rocks (was Scenery and Flame Retardant)

>Interesting segue...did the plant life remind you of the kids at Dead
>Bob's?

Naw, those guys were great!  I got a DB T from the house sound guy, and my
deck guy gave me one, too!  They even picked me up and drug me out to the
'burbs to go to a Halloween house party (*not* theatre related!) and
brought me back to town afterwards.  It may have been the original style DB
T that I was wearing as I rolled in that started it...
Oh, and it was the "Orlando, FL" in the OP's sig that reminded me of Dead
Bob's.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060118092735.01f1a618 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:28:22 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: frayed strap?
In-Reply-To: <list-26781561 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26781561 [at] prxy.net>

At 02:08 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>*sigh* Jerry, you *KNOW* that it isn't going to be that heavy on stage!  At
>least, not in the venue that it was originally designed for.  ; >

But the mass is still there.  And that suit wasn't full of water and 
fuel for the power pack.



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060118102942.00d049a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:29:42
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: frayed strap?

>over the lack of snippage in the earlier
>response...

I don't even have to say anything anymore!
It's a simple aptitude test.  Its 'pass/fail'. You apply it any way you
need to.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Subject: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:40:36 -0800
Message-ID: <88919A5358656649A9F6B8E5E8F73661A9E984 [at] globe-exchange.theglobetheatres.org>
From: "Ben Thoron" <bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org>

My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?=20

What are the general opinions of imported hardware?
We use Crosby brand wire rope clips, domestic ferrules, and domestic
forged hardware (turnbuckles etc), but the cable seems to be
increasingly imported.

Ben Thoron | technical director | the old globe | 619-235-2260 |
619-231-1037-fax | bthoron [at]  theoldglobe.org=20


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601180950t9a59d95w12b98aa986a31820 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:11 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tech table designs
In-Reply-To: <list-26781343 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26780238 [at] prxy.net> <list-26781343 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Moved and seconded - twice. All in favour say "Aye"<<<<

Seconded the second second, twice removed...and wait....now I'm confused :)

Great idea!!

Aye!!


-SS
TTS-EKU


"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
 --Bill Lumbergh

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Message-ID: <001401c61c59$156cb270$32223143 [at] bigdawg>
From: "dk" <dk [at] calarts.edu>
References: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Tech Table Design
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:00:36 -0800

This is a fun thread.
Inspired by the idea of cupholders and a trash bag (great ideas) I like the 
clip for my headset box on the side of the table so I can always have it in 
the same place and off the table.

xo
DK 


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Message-ID: <003801c61c59$c9734680$0600a8c0 [at] lpt>
From: <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
References: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Tour loadouts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:03:54 -0600
Organization: Minnesota Ballet

Greg wrote: "Many times for a loadout the road
crew states that it takes 2 hours and 15 min to load out.  When we
close the trucks at 1 hour and 45 min they tell us that is the best
out they have had.  Are we being fed a line or are they being
truthful?"

When I'm asked how long loadout will take, I give the average time. I only 
give the best time when asked. I understand a desire to try and beat some 
other crew, but my first responsibility is to make sure everything is packed 
up and put away proper. Several times I've had crews that their top priority 
was time, but I didn't like the way they folded a drop so I'd make them do 
it over. It's always cheaper and faster to do it right the first time than 
to have to redo it.

<I have reasons for doubting the sincerity. >
What reasons? I see no reason to lie that you are the best crew I've ever 
had, or about the time. From the view of the road crew, they will not see 
you again or it will be a very long time before they do. Plus by the time 
it's load-out you've already made the impression that will last with the 
crew. Nothing you say going out the door will change that.

<Is this a
touring technique to make the local crew feel good or motivate us to
keep load-out moving?>

Make the crew feel good at load-in and your show will go smooth. Most of the 
time the road crew is too busy at load-out for extra strokes of feel good 
vibes. The three things on a road crew's mind is to pack it so nothing 
breaks when the truck hits a pothole, how good that beer is going to be, or 
how much sleep can I get tonight? As far as motivation to keep load-out 
moving: you get to go home/bar when you're done is the only motivation I 
need to give.

Kenneth Pogin
Production Manager / Tour Manager
Minnesota Ballet



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060118111342.00d049a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:13:42
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Tour loadouts

>Is this a touring technique to make the local crew
>feel good or motivate us to keep load-out moving?

Yep, but its also true.  I've always told them that they were fastest only
if they were.  Of course, there are always extenuating circumstances.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <da.34b117ae.30ffdf68 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:14:00 EST
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant

In a message dated 17/01/06 23:45:16 GMT Standard Time, 
some_wut_odd [at] yahoo.com writes:

> > CB wrote:
>  > > I say, that if they have to have a note on the
>  > hair dryer reminding them
>  > > not to use it while actually *in* the shower, they
>  > don't deserve to survive.

You can't, in a British bathroom. Power outlets are not allowed, except for a 
transformer isolated current limited one for an electric razor. Even the 
light switch is on the ceiling, actuated by a cord pull.

In continntal Europe, there is often an outlet near the basin, as it's 
usually the best lit mirror. Even then the bathroom is divided into zones where they 
can be sited, with an exclusion zone round the bath or shower itself.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
Subject: RE: Lightweight Headsets
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:30:45 -0500
Organization: Duck's Echo Sound
Message-ID: <007b01c61c5d$4d506b10$a19afea9 [at] Andy>
In-Reply-To: <list-26771637 [at] prxy.net>

In reference to my warning re: turning a cell headset into a ClearCom
headset, Mat G wrote:

> That's precisely the reason for the construction differences between
> the motorola and plantronics headsets on my website.

Indeed you did mention that. I actually hadn't seen your site, and
didn't realize you had instructions for both types. Mea culpa! If you
don't mind, I'll link to your site on a post on OneFromTheRoad.com later
in the week, as I've had a few people inquire about how to do that.

--Andy

-- 
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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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1/18/2006
 


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Subject: RE: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:33:37 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BCBED30 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>



Ben Thoron wrote:

My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?=20

What are the general opinions of imported hardware?
We use Crosby brand wire rope clips, domestic ferrules, and domestic
forged hardware (turnbuckles etc), but the cable seems to be
increasingly imported.
_____________________________________________

My 2 cents is that when it comes to flying things over people's heads
(or flying the people themselves), you have to be absolutely, positively
certain that every piece of cable and hardware you use is first quality
and up to spec, regardless of where it is made.  You should expect your
supplier to ship only product that meets the specifications you set out.
So, if you spec that cable must meet ANSI spec so and so, it should be
so labeled, and your supplier should stand behind it.  And if you spec
"made in the USA," that is what you should get.  However, you may have
to pay for it. =20

The mislabeling does suggest to me that the folks at the plant that made
the cable you have were not, shall we say, detail oriented.  Of course,
it may be that it is a top flight manufacturing facility, and one
employee in the packaging department confused labels. =20



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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:33:37 -0500
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF3F431.7B2E%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26782779 [at] prxy.net>

Imported -vs- domestic.  Now there's a topic that'll start a war or two.

Please note.  I'm not the one that sold Ben the wire rope.  I checked first!

Wire rope.  You should know that 99.9% of all the wire rope that we use in
this industry is imported.  That includes the little black stuff right up to
the 3/8" & 1/2" and 5/8" steel slings that most of the concert folks use.
It's almost always been that way.  Why?  Because the USA made stuff is
garbage.  The quality is so poor I wouldn't use it for a dog run out back.
Literally.   And it's priced waaaay out of our reach.

So when the guy says he's got all domestic stuff and he starts pulling
slings out of the road box, you might want to ask him where he got them.

Hardware.  It's pretty much you get what you pay for.  You can get good
domestic stuff and good imported stuff, but if you are paying $1.25 less for
that 1/4" shackle than everywhere you looked, then you can pretty much
assume you're working from the bottom of the barrel.

I do not intend to get into a discussion of the merits of one brand over
another.  I certainly have my preferences and would be happy to discuss them
privately, but I can only assume that all of the manufacturers have a
representative on this forum and I ain't going down that road.

Shackles made in the states tend to be better than comparably priced
imported ones.  The whole cry over domestic -v- imp. Shackles was first
started because the ears on the imp. Shackles were of a different width and
didn't fit into the thimbled eye of a steel sling very well.  The domestic
ones did. 

My big complaint is turnbuckles and rapid links.  The imported turnbuckles
tend to be pretty lousy. The domestic ones  are much better. You will note
that my catalog does not rate the imported turnbuckles.  Yeah, they come
with a rating from the factory but I don't believe it.

Rapid links are only a little better.  There are imported ones that are load
rated and stamped, but too many people are using the cheapo versions.

Zat help?

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>









On 1/18/06 12:40 PM, "Ben Thoron" <bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
> and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
> roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
> indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
> coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
> breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
> that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?
> 
> What are the general opinions of imported hardware?
> We use Crosby brand wire rope clips, domestic ferrules, and domestic
> forged hardware (turnbuckles etc), but the cable seems to be
> increasingly imported.
> 
> Ben Thoron | technical director | the old globe | 619-235-2260 |
> 619-231-1037-fax | bthoron [at]  theoldglobe.org
> 



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In-Reply-To: <list-26783974 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26783974 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <70AD68F4-CEC4-4CF7-9BD3-C73EF6125E4C [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Tour loadouts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:33:58 -0500

Thanks to all for your comments.  You answered my question.  I guess  
I work with a pretty good local crew to get accolades as often as we do.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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In-Reply-To: <list-26784030 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26784030 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <F6788601-E889-4CED-BA1E-1083DC013C08 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:34:04 -0500

> In continntal Europe, there is often an outlet near the basin, as it's
> usually the best lit mirror. Even then the bathroom is divided into  
> zones where they
> can be sited, with an exclusion zone round the bath or shower itself.
>
> Frank Wood

Idiot are allowed to own extension cords that will reach to the next  
room.


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Subject: RE: Tour loadouts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:43:09 -0800
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C112 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Accolades, Schmaccolades - my motto is, "Say it with Swag..." =20

;->

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

---------------------------------------------------

Thanks to all for your comments.  You answered my question.  I guess =20
I work with a pretty good local crew to get accolades as often as we do.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <268.43bff07.30ffe6db [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:45:47 EST
Subject: Re: Tour loadouts

In a message dated 18/01/06 05:45:59 GMT Standard Time, 
theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes:

> But then I've never worked on a tour, either as a roadie or as a house tech.

Neither have I, unless you count working with visiting companies in our own 
theatre. Contrast such a visit with our own leisurely schedule, which is: get 
in Sunday to Tuesday, lighting and sound tech Saturday, tech with cast Sunday, 
probably followed by a run, run Monday to Thursday, preview Friday, open 
Saturday.

A visiting company often runs like this: get in overnight Saturday/Sunday 
morning, tech Sunday afternoon, with a band call in the foyer, followed by a 
piano dress, full dress with band on Monday, open Tuesday. There's only one way to 
do that, with an amateur cast and crew with daytime jobs: planning.

I really think that it would do all our house SMs, LDs, and SDs good to work 
on visiting shows from time to time. Our real killers used to be when we ran 
festivals, with three visiting companies for a week. It was even better when it 
was an international festival, with all the language problems. What we did 
was to appoint a strong-minded SD, with three SMs, and a strong-minded LD. The 
companies brought their own LX teams, although. as LD, I have operated the odd 
show myself, being reasonably fluent in French, and with passable German.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <06c101c61c5f$79009530$0302a8c0 [at] HP>
Reply-To: "Chip" <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "Chip" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
References: <list-26756849 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0700

OK, the world is full of stupid warnings and is chock full of stupid people, 
but what about smart people who do stupid things.  I have a brillant Ph.D 
friend, who will remain nameless, who when told by his wife to clean the 
window screens brought the hose inside the house and began to spray out 
because spraying in was, of course, dumb.

Chip 


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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060118104816.01f60880 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:50:23 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-Reply-To: <list-26785544 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26756849 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26785544 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:46 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>brought the hose inside the house and began to spray out because 
>spraying in was, of course, dumb.

I watched someone light his indoor fireplace with a 20 pound propane 
bottle with a piece of copper pipe for the "torch".  He also would 
use the tank upside down to light camp fires from a distance.

His daughter always kept track of all the exits and fire extinguishers.  :)

He's the one who gave me that M115 bomb simulator.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Subject: RE: modern instructions
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AA9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: chip.wood [at] ieee.org (Chip)

> OK, the world is full of stupid warnings and is chock full of=20
> stupid people,=20
> but what about smart people who do stupid things.  I have a=20
> brillant Ph.D=20
> friend, who will remain nameless, who when told by his wife=20
> to clean the=20
> window screens brought the hose inside the house and began to=20
> spray out=20
> because spraying in was, of course, dumb.

Chip, I'd ask if that were my brother, but I'd be afraid to hear the
answer...

(Though he isn't quite yet a PhD, either.  So I guess he's in the clear
on this one, though it sounds like something right up his alley.)

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <9f.6ed00916.30ffea4b [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:00:27 EST
Subject: Re: modern instructions

In a message dated 18/01/06 16:37:38 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes:

> Trust me, some a-hole tried to sue over it.  It was probably the guy that
>  got a chainsaw and then trie to return it.  He said it wasn't any better
>  than his old hand saw, in fact it was harder.  We knew we had a winner when
>  we tried it out behind the shop to see what was the matter with it and he
>  said, "What the heck is that racket!"

Don't laugh! I once had a chain saw with a toggle handle at each end. Quiet 
and simple. The only problem was that it would bring branches down on your 
head. (Hard hat, what's that?)


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <46.78cccb50.30ffecf0 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:11:44 EST
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts

In a message dated 18/01/06 17:41:28 GMT Standard Time, 
bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org writes:

> My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
>  and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
>  roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
>  indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
>  coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
>  breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
>  that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.? 

At a first guess, this sounds like a confusion between Safe Working Load, and 
Ultimate Tensile Stress. The approximate 5:1 ratio between the two seems to 
confirm this. It would be better if someone with accurate figures could confirm 
or deny this.


Frank Wood

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From: "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
Subject: RE: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:12:56 +0400
In-reply-to: <list-26785171 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20060118191303.36AA0580B [at] mail05.powweb.com>

Just a question

Is it a good idea to powder coat wire rope etc  as the wear and tear will
not be so easy to see. I was always taught never to even paint them 

Is this good advice or not necessary?

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis,
Thomas J
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:34 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------



Ben Thoron wrote:

My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope and
rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a roll of
powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box indicated
that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the coil itself
indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate breaking strength
of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest that we should not trust
the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.? 

What are the general opinions of imported hardware?
We use Crosby brand wire rope clips, domestic ferrules, and domestic forged
hardware (turnbuckles etc), but the cable seems to be increasingly imported.
_____________________________________________

My 2 cents is that when it comes to flying things over people's heads (or
flying the people themselves), you have to be absolutely, positively certain
that every piece of cable and hardware you use is first quality and up to
spec, regardless of where it is made.  You should expect your supplier to
ship only product that meets the specifications you set out.
So, if you spec that cable must meet ANSI spec so and so, it should be so
labeled, and your supplier should stand behind it.  And if you spec "made in
the USA," that is what you should get.  However, you may have to pay for it.


The mislabeling does suggest to me that the folks at the plant that made the
cable you have were not, shall we say, detail oriented.  Of course, it may
be that it is a top flight manufacturing facility, and one employee in the
packaging department confused labels.  





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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <9f.6ed00926.30fff13a [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:30:02 EST
Subject: Re: Tech table designs

In a message dated 18/01/06 17:50:42 GMT Standard Time, cueonego [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> Seconded the second second, twice removed...and wait....now I'm confused :)

So am I. A tech table needs to be a stable and flar surface in which you can 
put all the gear you need for a tech, with convenient connections available. 
Period.

A more interesting discussion would be about what is needed there. The only 
criterion that I can suggest is easy and convenient access to the stage.

But it's not the control centre at Cape Canaveral. Given that I work in a 
small theatre, and have a loud voice on demand, I should settle for enough room 
for a lighting plan, and for the script. Possibly the wired remote, and the 
second monitor.

The SD may need more space, although having enough lines is dubious. 

Having room to sit, and to write are essential. A refreshment store is 
desirable.



Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <147.5508939e.30fff2f6 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:37:26 EST
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant

In a message dated 18/01/06 18:36:16 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com 
writes:
>  Idiot are allowed to own extension cords that will reach to the next  
>  room.

Yes, they are, and the sooner the world is rid of them, the better.


Frank Wood

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:42:49 -0500
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF40469.7B4F%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26786713 [at] prxy.net>

Powder coating doesn't hurt the wire rope.  Wear and tear on wire rope is
more of a product of feeling the rope rather than seeing it. IMO visual
inspections of wire rope with the naked eye aren't worth much.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 1/18/06 2:12 PM, "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Just a question
> 
> Is it a good idea to powder coat wire rope etc  as the wear and tear will
> not be so easy to see. I was always taught never to even paint them
> 
> Is this good advice or not necessary?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis,
> Thomas J
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:34 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Ben Thoron wrote:
> 
> My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope and
> rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a roll of
> powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box indicated
> that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the coil itself
> indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate breaking strength
> of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest that we should not trust
> the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?
> 
> What are the general opinions of imported hardware?
> We use Crosby brand wire rope clips, domestic ferrules, and domestic forged
> hardware (turnbuckles etc), but the cable seems to be increasingly imported.
> _____________________________________________
> 
> My 2 cents is that when it comes to flying things over people's heads (or
> flying the people themselves), you have to be absolutely, positively certain
> that every piece of cable and hardware you use is first quality and up to
> spec, regardless of where it is made.  You should expect your supplier to
> ship only product that meets the specifications you set out.
> So, if you spec that cable must meet ANSI spec so and so, it should be so
> labeled, and your supplier should stand behind it.  And if you spec "made in
> the USA," that is what you should get.  However, you may have to pay for it.
> 
> 
> The mislabeling does suggest to me that the folks at the plant that made the
> cable you have were not, shall we say, detail oriented.  Of course, it may
> be that it is a top flight manufacturing facility, and one employee in the
> packaging department confused labels.
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:43:56 -0500
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFF404AC.7B50%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26786656 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/18/06 2:11 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In a message dated 18/01/06 17:41:28 GMT Standard Time,
> bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org writes:
> 
>> My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
>>  and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
>>  roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
>>  indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
>>  coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
>>  breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
>>  that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?
> 
> At a first guess, this sounds like a confusion between Safe Working Load, and
> Ultimate Tensile Stress. The approximate 5:1 ratio between the two seems to
> confirm this. It would be better if someone with accurate figures could
> confirm 
> or deny this.
> 
> 
> Frank Wood

Uh oh.  Frank and I were thinking alike again.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>







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Message-ID: <013401c61c69$43b02940$1401a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP>
Reply-To: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
From: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-26787594 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:56:18 -0500

> Uh oh.  Frank and I were thinking alike again.
>
> Bill S.


Possibly! But I don't think the SWL of 1/8" 7x19 aircraft cable is 2000 lbs!

Chris

Christopher Harris
Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com

>> My Flyman has expressed concern about the quality of imported wire rope
>>  and rigging supplies.  The current question arose when we received a
>>  roll of powder coated 1/8 7x19 aircraft cable where the label on the box
>>  indicated that the min breaking strength was 2000lb and the label on the
>>  coil itself indicated a breaking strength of 9800lb (the approximate
>>  breaking strength of 5/16 cable).  Does the mislabeling alone suggest
>>  that we should not trust the cable up to the typical 5:1 s.w.l.?




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From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <97.6f27ef44.30fffa42 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:08:34 EST
Subject: Re: modern instructions

Was his name Tim Allen (Taylor)?
 
 
Jerry writes:

I watched someone light his indoor fireplace with a 20 pound propane  
bottle with a piece of copper pipe for the "torch".  He also would  
use the tank upside down to light camp fires from a distance.

His  daughter always kept track of all the exits and fire extinguishers.   :)

He's the one who gave me that M115 bomb simulator.


Jeffrey  Drucker
Production Manager
Bard College
phone 845-758-7956
fax  845-758-7925
email drucker [at] bard.edu
 

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Subject: RE: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:15:08 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AAA [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net (chrisharris25)

> > Uh oh.  Frank and I were thinking alike again.
> >
> > Bill S.
>=20
>=20
> Possibly! But I don't think the SWL of 1/8" 7x19 aircraft=20
> cable is 2000 lbs!

I went there as well...but in checking the Backstage Handbook, the
typical SWL of 1/8" 7x19 is 400 pounds...which means the box label was
the correct one, rather than the one on the coil--exactly the opposite
of what I'd expect if it were just a slip-up in packaging, y'know?

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:27:40 -0500
Subject: Electro-Luminescent tape
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFF40EEC.A53B%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>

Hey folks,

A few years ago I was given a demo of very thin tape that glowed in a few
colors, Red, Blue, etc..., when a current was applied.

I can't find my info. I know this was tape that could even be used as a
light up floor if put under plexi. It's not the string stuff.  A google
search gets a lot of vague hits.

Anyone out there seen this stuff?

Thanks

-H
-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Subject: RE: imported wire rope and rigging parts
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:28:17 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BCBED8A [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

I did check a suppliers catalog, and they list the breaking strength for
7x19 aircraft cable (galvanized) as 2000 lbs. and the SWL as 400 lbs.
My point about a slip up in packaging was that somebody had put the
sticker for a 1/4" or 5/16" reel onto the 1/8" reel by mistake (or more
likely, had loaded the 5/16 labels into the machine that put the labels
on 1/8" reels).  The box label was indeed correct (assuming they
actually made the stuff to the same spec we are used to).


> > Uh oh.  Frank and I were thinking alike again.
> >
> > Bill S.
>=20
>=20
> Possibly! But I don't think the SWL of 1/8" 7x19 aircraft=20
> cable is 2000 lbs!

I went there as well...but in checking the Backstage Handbook, the
typical SWL of 1/8" 7x19 is 400 pounds...which means the box label was
the correct one, rather than the one on the coil--exactly the opposite
of what I'd expect if it were just a slip-up in packaging, y'know?

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:38:59 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
In-reply-to: <list-26788561 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5C771871-F953-4E0D-98C8-5238ED93E7AE [at] klad.com>
References: <list-26788561 [at] prxy.net>

here are some links

http://www.luminousfilm.com/index.htm

http://www.ilight-tech.com/products.htm

http://www.livewireent.com/frameset.html?3

Think Shadowstone reps some of these products

http://www.shadowstone.com

And I think that Black Walnut reps some fo the sheet materials

845.268.1100





On Jan 18, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://=20
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hey folks,
>
> A few years ago I was given a demo of very thin tape that glowed in =20=

> a few
> colors, Red, Blue, etc..., when a current was applied.
>
> I can't find my info. I know this was tape that could even be used =20
> as a
> light up floor if put under plexi. It's not the string stuff.  A =20
> google
> search gets a lot of vague hits.
>
> Anyone out there seen this stuff?
>
> Thanks
>
> -H
> --=20
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness =20=

> and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060118124353.01f2d530 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:46:11 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-Reply-To: <list-26788170 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26788170 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:08 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>Was his name Tim Allen (Taylor)?

Nope.  I won't give out his name to protect the guilty.  :)

He also had live anti-aircraft rounds in his attic, and stuff like 
that.  No idea what he was planning to do with it, but when he 
decided to move to Canada he had to dispose of most of it.



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <b7318c480601181247y7713b9dai6d4da7787dac223c [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:47:10 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts
In-Reply-To: <list-26788635 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26788635 [at] prxy.net>

I have done destructive testing on a lot of 1/8" 7x19 GAC and it
always breaks at or above 2,000 lbs.  I think somebody just stuck the
wrong label on the spool and that is all there is to it.

Black powder coating does not reduce the breaking strength of the
cable, but it can reduce the lifespan of the cable because it does not
have as much lubricant in the cable.  But, don't let that concern you
too much.  Theatrical users very seldom wear out a cable due to use,
but rather through abuse.  Running you hand along the cable is the
best way to determine if wires are broken.

-Delbert
--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Message-ID: <00dc01c61c71$8ab46c40$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Rope Light Cutting
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:55:40 -0500

If I just go buy the stock cheap rope light from Wal-Mart or somewhere, can
I cut it into lengths I need or even cut the ends off and solder 2 pieces
together? (I don't like the dead space from the couplers)  Ideally I need to
even hide the wire I thought of using zip cord to do this.  Any suggestions
or advice?


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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060118125740.01f22ea8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:59:30 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Rope Light Cutting
In-Reply-To: <list-26789339 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26789339 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:55 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>If I just go buy the stock cheap rope light from Wal-Mart or somewhere, can
>I cut it into lengths I need or even cut the ends off and solder 2 pieces
>together? (I don't like the dead space from the couplers)  Ideally I need to
>even hide the wire I thought of using zip cord to do this.  Any suggestions
>or advice?

All the normal consumer rope-lights I've seen just have two wires 
running the length with 120V lamps soldered between them.  So, yes 
you can cut and splice.  Be careful of length, you don't want to melt 
the wires at the plug end!

Oh yes, don't try this at home, warranty void, professional driver, &c.



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <84c790f30601181304l36af325u7b71a193b6fb9072 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:04:54 -0500
From: Shawn King <skingld [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
In-Reply-To: <list-26788561 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26788561 [at] prxy.net>

I was sent a little sample from a company called e-Lite.  They produce
a product called "Flatlight", developed from Timex Indiglo technology
(they are a spin off from Timex).  The sample looks neat, but it was
laminated, so I can't turn it on, so I haven't seen it in action.

http://www.e-lite.com/

HTH,

Shawn King

On 1/18/06, Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com> wrote:

> A few years ago I was given a demo of very thin tape that glowed in a few
> colors, Red, Blue, etc..., when a current was applied.
>
> I can't find my info. I know this was tape that could even be used as a
> light up floor if put under plexi. It's not the string stuff.  A google
> search gets a lot of vague hits.
>
> Anyone out there seen this stuff?

------------------------------

Subject: Sand blaster cabinet advice
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:10:43 -0500
Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BE6FA [at] stage.OTC.local>
From: "Dre Suchoski" <DSuchoski [at] olneytheatre.org>

  Our scene shop is in the market to purchase a table-top sand blaster
cabinet with gun, gloves, and light (media to come later).  Naturally
the budget is pretty low (no more than $200).  Any advice on good/bad
brands, options to look for, etc.?

Dre Suchoski, Properties Supervisor/Artisan
Olney Theatre Center

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:10:42 -0500
Subject: Re: modern instructions
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BFF41902.CC54%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26789142 [at] prxy.net>

> He also had live anti-aircraft rounds in his attic, and stuff like
> that.  No idea what he was planning to do with it, but when he
> decided to move to Canada he had to dispose of most of it.

    How?

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <202.10b830b7.310009a3 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:14:11 EST
Subject: Re: modern instructions

Sorry, I left out the smiley :)
I was referring to Tim, the tool man, Taylor.....
 

>Was his name Tim Allen (Taylor)?

Nope.  I won't give  out his name to protect the guilty.  :)


Jeffrey  Drucker
Production Manager
Bard College
phone 845-758-7956
fax  845-758-7925
email drucker [at] bard.edu
 

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060118131846.01ee7890 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:21:26 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
In-Reply-To: <list-26789686 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26789142 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26789686 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:10 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:

>     How?

Well, the M115 was glued to a rocket.  Other stuff was made to 
disappear.  There are some items that it's just not possible to 
"properly" dispose of.  I'm just glad he didn't fill his trunk with 
it and try driving to Canada.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:26:53 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Rope Light Cutting
In-reply-to: <list-26789339 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43CEB29D.3040105 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26789339 [at] prxy.net>

Donald A Rowe wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> If I just go buy the stock cheap rope light from Wal-Mart or somewhere, can
> I cut it into lengths I need or even cut the ends off and solder 2 pieces
> together? (I don't like the dead space from the couplers)  Ideally I need to
> even hide the wire I thought of using zip cord to do this.  Any suggestions
> or advice?

Even the stuff at Mal-wart has set points at which you can cut it.  It 
might take some trial and error to find out where those points are.

I don't know what Wal-mart is charging these days but if you can 
stretch your budget a bit, I've used the Duralight product quite 
succesfully.  The rope can be cut every 18", and is around $1/ft.

Steve L.


-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Subject: RE: Rope Light Cutting (and purchasing)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:41:02 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA3004C9 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>


Along this thread of Ropelight...

If you don't need the ropelight right away and have the means to order
it, you can get very good pricing (and a HUGE selection) through a
company out of Canada called Wide Loyal Development, Ltd.
1-888-303-0931  www.wideloyal.net  I'm pretty sure (but not positive,)
that they'll sell direct.

Abby

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:38:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFF41F71.A555%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26789553 [at] prxy.net>

That was it! It was E-lite! Thanks. And thanks Kevin that stuff looks just
as good.

_H



-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Message-ID: <01ed01c61c79$338a4cc0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:50:29 -0600

Chris posted:  "Thier stupid children grow up and drive thier stupid SUV's 
with their stupid cell phones attached to their ear and don't use thier 
stupid turn signals and run over intelligent people who read this list and 
make theatre."

So, Chris.  How do you really feel about stupid people?

Bill C.


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:53:44 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Electro-Luminescent tape
In-reply-to: <list-26790590 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <D1124A08-6A4F-4EC7-BEFE-D56A7192724F [at] klad.com>
References: <list-26789553 [at] prxy.net> <list-26790590 [at] prxy.net>

E-Lite is the standard, I think that is what Shadowstone sells.


On Jan 18, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

>  It was E-lite!


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Subject: Homemade fiber optic curtains
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:06:51 -0500
Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BE701 [at] stage.OTC.local>
From: "Dirk Van Pernis" <DVanpernis [at] olneytheatre.org>

Has anyone taken the homemade route (versus ex. buying from Rose brand)
for fiber optic curtains and star drops?  Any places to purchase fiber
from?
=20
Dirk Van Pernis
Master Electrician
Olney Theatre Center for the Arts

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:06:53 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Homemade fiber optic curtains
In-reply-to: <list-26791177 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43CEBBFD.1000605 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26791177 [at] prxy.net>

Dirk Van Pernis wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Has anyone taken the homemade route (versus ex. buying from Rose brand)
> for fiber optic curtains and star drops?  Any places to purchase fiber
> from?

I've never had the guts (or the time) to do a full drop, but I've done 
small star fields in scenic pieces from time to time.  We bought the 
raw fiber from fiberopticproducts.com.  They had pretty good prices on 
full spools of .5 and 1mm fiber.


Steve L.


-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <20060118222904.14264.qmail [at] web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:29:04 -0800 (PST)
From: <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Rope Light Cutting
In-Reply-To: <list-26789339 [at] prxy.net>

In the past when I have used rope light in scenic
elements I have purchased from Action Lighting.  I
believe the web site is actionlighting.com.  They
stock several types of rope light and sell it by the
spool.  The rope has "cut marks" on it so you don't
have to experiment where to cut.  Also I think all of
the 120v rope light has 1'-2' sections of lamps in
series.  That is why you have to cut at certain places
and I have seen some that has been in use for a while
with sections that are burnt out.

Ken Z  

--- Donald A Rowe <TechDir [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> If I just go buy the stock cheap rope light from
> Wal-Mart or somewhere, can
> I cut it into lengths I need or even cut the ends
> off and solder 2 pieces
> together? (I don't like the dead space from the
> couplers)  Ideally I need to
> even hide the wire I thought of using zip cord to do
> this.  Any suggestions
> or advice?
> 
> 


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <233.5636d2d.310025e4 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:14:44 EST
Subject: Re: imported wire rope and rigging parts

In a message dated 18/01/06 19:57:13 GMT Standard Time, 
chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net writes:

> Possibly! But I don't think the SWL of 1/8" 7x19 aircraft cable is 2000 lbs!

Neither do I, but we could both be wrong. Such tables as I have to hand 
suggest an UTS of 225,000psi for the material. I have in my head a recollection 
that this might be right, in terms of the 2,000lb SWL.

Further and better information would be of use.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2e3.c7d02e.310028fb [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:27:55 EST
Subject: Re: Scenery and Flame Retardant

In a message dated 18/01/06 21:50:55 GMT Standard Time, bill-conner [at] att.net 
writes:

> So, Chris.  How do you really feel about stupid people?

Let me pre-empt Chris's reply. One way or another, they will kill themselves, 
and the world is well rid of them. Brutal, I know, but true. It's a mutation 
that is against the survival of the species. 

Frank Wood

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Trade publications, was tech tables
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:01:03 -0700
Message-ID: <001601c61c8b$710172b0$a43fbe43 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-26781294 [at] prxy.net>

And I saved and have many duplicate copies of Theatre Crafts ... the =
total
collection ... I sent a total collection to the University of =
Witswaterrand
when the library was burned down during my stay there in  a law suit I =
was
testifying at. doom

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Haagen,
Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:53 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Trade publications, was tech tables

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


Oh.  Oh, yes.  Yes.  I shall third this. (And it may turn into a rant
thread.)   I had subscribed to
Theatre Crafts for years and years.  When the new, improved and larger =
sized
"Catwoman" on the front, edition appeared,
I let my subscription run out.  No longer a handy size.  Then the =
evolution
of the publication continued.  It was leaving the community, high school =
and
many institutions of higher education behind.   I like to see and learn
about the current "wow" factors and eye candy that will make it to our =
venue
in 5-10 years, but I appreciated the publication more when we read about
scenic molding, make-up techniques and less expensive solutions.=20

Stage Directions almost comes close, but still not the focus of the old
Theatre Crafts.

And, by the way.  If anyone is interested.  I have and would like to
jettison a collection of Lighting Dimensions.
This is not a pristine set.  Over the years I have probably, in a moment =
of
weakness, loaned out a few that have not come back or have been unable =
to
rescue a few from my wife's weekend cleanings.  If I must guess, I would =
say
that I have all except about 12-18.  From the first clown on the front =
copy
to the last before the recent merger.  If you have a Fed-Ex
Account you can contact me off list.  Another publication that went from
Theatre to Architecture to kinda' entertainment and club scene and back
again... and again...and again.
 =20
=20
=20
Trey H=E4agen
Arnold Hall Theatre
USAF Academy
V:(719) 333-2721
F:(719) 333-2099
=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon =
Ares
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 08:40
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Tech table designs


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


  (Do you remember the days when "Theatre=20
Crafts" used to run articles on molding scenic elements?)

Whoa, almost turned into a rant there....

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative=20


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Message-ID: <346daee6b6a55fb2e8abea4129d2824e [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:09:21 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: modern instructions
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26785664 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26756849 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26785544 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-26785664 [at] prxy.net>

On 1:50:23 pm 01/18/06 Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 10:46 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
> > brought the hose inside the house and began to spray out because
> > spraying in was, of course, dumb.
>
> I watched someone light his indoor fireplace with a 20 pound propane
> bottle with a piece of copper pipe for the "torch".  He also would
> use the tank upside down to light camp fires from a distance.
>
> His daughter always kept track of all the exits and fire
> extinguishers.  :)
> He's the one who gave me that M115 bomb simulator.
>

  For folks like that, I just stand well away, and when 
they do themselves in, I think of a line from one of 
my favorite Larry Niven novels.  
"Think of it as evolution in action."

  It could work.  Drunk driving violater, don't take away 
their drivers license, they keep on driving anyway.  Take 
away their seatbelt for six months.  IF they have a second 
offense, glue a nice, shiny, chrome plated 20 penny nail 
to the center of their steering wheel.   Repeat offenders 
will take themselves off the road, one way or another.  
  

  --Dale


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Message-ID: <d983c4a0601181636x605ead32n [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:36:43 -0800
From: Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound)
Subject: Laptop Lock-down Cables

Thought this might be of interest for those of us who use lockdown
cables to keep our notebooks secure on jobs.

http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/03/time-to-invest-in-a-new-laptop-lock/


--
Mat Goebel
www.matgoebel.com
Mobile: 510.693.1448

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In-Reply-To: <list-26744596 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26744596 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <AE5E0D7D-CFCA-401F-9BEC-F03B68D34257 [at] hillmardesign.com>
From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
Subject: Re: Tech table designs
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:41:03 -0500

My favorite table resides in Towson MD, at Stephens Hall Theatre, a  
rental house.

The table is in 4' modules, so any number can be put together for  
whatever size is needed- or two seperate tables, etc.

The front fits over the row of seats, with a 1x frame to hold it in  
place. It is very comfortable to sit in house seats and use the table.

This table was originally designed 10+ years ago to hold two standard  
monitors at almost table level- recessed into the surface. As a  
lighting designer, the ability to see OVER the monitors to the stage  
without the monitors disrupting line of sight was wonderful!  
Discussed recently was retrofiting the table with plexi and LCD  
monitors for a continuous surface and still being able to see the  
light board monitors. An APC battery backup plugstrip for  
individually placed LittleLytes, the monitor driver (housed in it's  
own "rack") and any laptops, or other electronics- printers,  
whatever, made this easy to use.

The surface was well sealed plywood painted black. Just above the  
bottom edge was a 1" groove to "store" or catch pencils, etc.

g.
_____________________
gregg hillmar
scenic & lighting design
portfolio & life as we know it:
http://www.hillmardesign.com

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been  
hurt. Dance like no one's watching."
Satchel Paige



On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Laura McMeley wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm going to be requesting a new tech table for next season, (the  
> old one is
> falling apart) so I got to thinking about what improvements I would  
> make.
> So listers, if you could have your dream lighting tech table, what  
> features
> would it have, and what things would you want to definitely avoid?
>
> Laura McMeley
> Resident Lighting Coordinator
> The Dallas Opera
> 972-333-5016
> http://www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/


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Message-ID: <43CEE24D.8000403 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:50:21 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: A great Little Prodcut

I am not sure how many of you have older dimming systems that would 
benefit by some retrofitting, however we recently installed a retrofit 
in one our dimming systems. The product is quite nice and customer 
services is outstanding. The company is Johnston Control systems, I have 
included the URL below.

(FYI, I am not a deal, just a VERY happy end user).

http://www.johnsonsystems.com/

-- 
Brian James


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Message-ID: <F6275691D8BF4749B5B17ABA059AC48A36C044 [at] APOLLO>
From: Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
Subject: RE: Laptop Lock-down Cables
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:00:06 -0500



-----Original Message-----
From: Mat Goebel [mailto:mgoebel [at] gmail.com] 


>Thought this might be of interest for those of us who use lockdown cables to keep our notebooks secure on jobs.

>http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/03/time-to-invest-in-a-new-laptop-lock/


This is a similar problem that Krytonite and other bike lock companies faced a year ago or so.  

An alternative is a laptop lock that uses a Sesame type combination lock.  

Targus makes a DEFCON combination lock, about $30 at CompUSA

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College

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Message-ID: <d983c4a0601181704v3c73afa2s [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:04:20 -0800
From: Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Laptop Lock-down Cables
In-Reply-To: <list-26795452 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26795452 [at] prxy.net>

Combination locks apparently not safe either.

http://www.securityinfowatch.com/article/article.jsp?id=3D1467&siteSection=
=3D329

I admit, any security measure will have flaws in it. Anyone who is
determined enough can always get through any security measures you
want to take. You just have to ask yourself how hard you want to make
it for someone. I won't be throwing my combo lock cable away any time
soon.

On 18/01/06, Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] brooklyncenter.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mat Goebel [mailto:mgoebel [at] gmail.com]
>
>
> >Thought this might be of interest for those of us who use lockdown cable=
s to keep our notebooks secure on jobs.
>
> >http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/03/time-to-invest-in-a-new-laptop-lock/
>
>
> This is a similar problem that Krytonite and other bike lock companies fa=
ced a year ago or so.
>
> An alternative is a laptop lock that uses a Sesame type combination lock.
>
> Targus makes a DEFCON combination lock, about $30 at CompUSA
>
> Steve Bailey
> Brooklyn College
>


--
Mat Goebel
www.matgoebel.com
Mobile: 510.693.1448

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: RE: A great Little Prodcut
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:15:37 -0000
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPIEKADKAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26795278 [at] prxy.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Brian
> James
> Sent: 19 January 2006 00:50
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: A great Little Prodcut
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I am not sure how many of you have older dimming systems that would
> benefit by some retrofitting, however we recently installed a retrofit
> in one our dimming systems. The product is quite nice and customer
> services is outstanding. The company is Johnston Control systems, I have
> included the URL below.
>
> (FYI, I am not a deal, just a VERY happy end user).
>

Strangely, with this being (as far as I can see with a quick Google-Groups
search) your first post to the group, I'm not sure that I actually believe
you!!
Call me a cynical old git, but .......!



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