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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #666

 1. Re: Stencil Material
    by Shelly A Ford <sford4 [at] aug.edu>
 2. Re: Pyro License
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 3. Re: Painting the floor...
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 4. Re: Glassbreakers
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 5. Re: Looking for Lasers?
    by "Adam Zeek" <dmx0512 [at] hotmail.com>
 6. Re: Painting the floor...
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
 7. Cutawl
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
 8. Re: Looking for Lasers?
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
 9. Re: Platforms (longish)
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
10. Re: Stencil Material
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
11. Re: Cutawl
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
12. Re: Cutawl
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
13. Re: Platforms (longish)
    by "Tom Hackman" <hackman [at] davisandelkins.edu>
14. Re: Glassbreakers
    by Paul Guncheon <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
15. Re: Pneumatic casters
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
16. Re: Pyro License
    by "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
17. Re: Cutawl
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
18. Re: Stencil Material
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
19. Re: Painting the floor...
    by Kevin Lowry <kjlowry [at] gmail.com>
20. Re: Pyro License
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
21. question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
22. Fire Hydrant...
    by Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
23. floor painting/this and that
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
24. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
25. Re: Platforms 
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
26. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
27. USITT poster session
    by Fritz Schwentker <fritz.td [at] mindspring.com>
28. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
29. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
30. Re: Platforms 
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
31. Re: Stencil Material
    by Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
32. Looking for lasers?
    by Pgl87 [at] aol.com
33. Re: Cutawl
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
34. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
35. Re: Cutawl
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
36. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
37. Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
38. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
39. Re: It's happened again....
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
40. Re: Painting the floor...
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
41. Re: It's happened again....
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
42. Re: Looking for lasers?
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
43. Re: It's happened again....
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
44. Molded "Y" two-fers
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
45. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
46. Re: Molded "Y" two-fers
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
47. Re: pneumatically operated casters
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
48. Re: Casters
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
49. Shakespeare's most unfunny clown
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
50. Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
51. Cutawl and gobo cutting
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
52. Why we go Nut-Crackers
    by <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
53. Re: Why we go Nut-Crackers
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
54. Re: Painting the floor...
    by James Feinberg <feinberg [at] sandiego.edu>
55. Cutting Machines was Cutawl and gobo cutting
    by "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
56. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
57. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
58. Re: Why we go Nut-Crackers
    by Jeffrey Ferrell <jeffclef [at] midmaine.com>
59. Re: Cutawl and gobo cutting
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
60. Re: Molded "Y" two-fers
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
61. Re: Pyro License
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
62. Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
63. Re: Painting the floor...
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
64. Re: Pyro License
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
65. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
66. Re: Pyro License
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
67. Re: Pyro License
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
68. Re: Cutawl and gobo cutting
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
69. Continuing: Lightweight headsets
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
70. Re: Pyro License
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
71. Re: Cutawl and gobo cutting
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
72. Re: Fire Hydrant...off topic
    by Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
73. Re: Pyro License
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
74. Re: Pyro License
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
75. Evita
    by "clow.will" <clow.will [at] uwlax.edu>
76. Re: Fire Hydrant...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:24:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Shelly A Ford <sford4 [at] aug.edu>
Subject: Re: Stencil Material
Message-id: <7450592.1138105491916.JavaMail.sford4 [at] aug.edu>

I cut my teeth on a Cutawl as a young design assistant. Alas, to 
reminisce about a power tool... must be a stagecraft thing.


Victor W. Smith wrote:


>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Patrick Immel wrote:
>
>> I am looking to create a couple of largish stencil patterns (18-24"
>> sq.).  SNIP
>
>I know this is late, but I missed the original message.
>
>I like PETG - 1/16" thick.  We get ours at G.E. Commercial Plastics.  
Also
>from McMaster-Carr.  When we are making multiple stencils, we stack the
>sheets (up to 4'x8'), print a full size version, attach the pattern with
>spray adhesive and cut with a Cutawl.
>
>http://facweb.furman.edu/~rbryson/dramadept/CutAwl/
>
>A really cool little machine that a lot of people have never seen or 
used.
>
>Victor
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:39:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Pyro License
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>> A few years ago I tried to find out how to acquire a pyro license for
>> stage.  I couldn't find the correct local government agency and they
>> were not much help in steering me. I finally got an application form
>> some such but one of its first requirements for a license was at
>> least 2 years in blasting. I'm looking for the license for indoor
>> pyro, open flame, etc.

In Oregon, much of the stage pyro just requires a Limited Pyrotechnics
license from the State Fire Marshall's office. No experience required.

For such things as open flames, no license is required.

Of course, all stage pyro (even a candle) must be approved by the local
fire marshall.

Bill


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:46:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Painting the floor...
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>     Kevin beat me to this, but I will echo his endorsement of Tough Prime!

Does the Tough Prime (tm) need a top coat or is it sufficient by itself?

Bill


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:00:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Glassbreakers
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> The biggest issue seems to be that tempered glass is
> significantly harder to break- for instance the
> breaking stress of annealed glass is 6,000 psi, and
> tempered glass is 24,000 psi both for a "large, light
> 60 sec. load".

Tempered glass tends to break with a "bang" - it doesn't sound like window
glass breaking. It also tends to scatter the fragments over a fairly large
area. Under the right conditions, and if the "cause" is an explosion, then
that would not be much of a concern.

A strong center punch will usually break the glass. Just make sure that
the person doing the breaking is wearing proper safety gear.

Another possibility would be a pyrotechnics driven center punch.

Bill


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In-Reply-To: <list-26940608 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Adam Zeek" <dmx0512 [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for Lasers?
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:35:59 -0500

Safety is a big concern. I remember when I was working at a nightclub and we 
rented a laser we had to fill out a huge amount of liability paperwork and 
whatnot with some agency. I think it was something wierd like the 
Environmental Protection Agency. Anyways, I guess there are a lot of rules 
when it comes to lasers, like they can only shine so many feet above 
people's heads and what not. Don't know where this information is though. 
Though it might be different since we had paid customers to worry about. My 
2 cents.

~Adam


>From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: Looking for Lasers?
>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:07:46 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
> > Our Dance Theatre director wants lasers for our May show.  I think
> > she just wants some beam patterns across the stage nothing really hi-
> > power or with intensive programming.
>
>     Perhaps it's not a problem, but I can't help but wonder - is this safe
>for the dancers? Laser levels and Laser pointers all say not to shine them
>into anyone's eyes or to look into them. If they are shining onto the stage
>- and presumably the dancers -  aren't they risking eye damage?
>
>Bruce
>--
>Bruce Purdy
>Technical Director
>Smith Opera House
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:49:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Painting the floor...
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BFFB9A88.CEE6%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26963323 [at] prxy.net>

>> Kevin beat me to this, but I will echo his endorsement of Tough Prime!
> 
> Does the Tough Prime (tm) need a top coat or is it sufficient by itself?
> 
    It was used by itself for our initial painting when the floor was put
in. Obviously, the floor does get wear and must be re-painted from time to
time. When that happens, I have used Tough Prime a couple of times (We had a
bunch of leftover from that initial painting) as a "Top coat"/ repaint and
it works great!

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:20:56 -0500
Subject: Cutawl
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <BFFBA1F8.202D%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-26962866 [at] prxy.net>

Reminiscing is for things that are no longer around.  Cutawl is a FABILOUS
tool that I have never seen a better replacement for.  I just found one
stashed away in the prop room. Heavy, tough, a sweet tool. You don't need
one every day but for those detailed cut outs it can't be beat.

I think Mutual Hardware still carries the blades for them.

-- 
Merel Ray-Pfeifer
Technical Director
Dept of Speech Comm. & Dramatic Arts
Central Michigan University
Mt Pleasant, MI  48858

989/774-6594





On 1/24/06 7:24 AM, "Shelly A Ford" <sford4 [at] aug.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I cut my teeth on a Cutawl as a young design assistant. Alas, to
> reminisce about a power tool... must be a stagecraft thing.
> 
> 
> Victor W. Smith wrote:
> 
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Patrick Immel wrote:
>> 
>>> I am looking to create a couple of largish stencil patterns (18-24"
>>> sq.).  SNIP
>> 
>> I know this is late, but I missed the original message.
>> 
>> I like PETG - 1/16" thick.  We get ours at G.E. Commercial Plastics.
> Also
>> from McMaster-Carr.  When we are making multiple stencils, we stack the
>> sheets (up to 4'x8'), print a full size version, attach the pattern with
>> spray adhesive and cut with a Cutawl.
>> 
>> http://facweb.furman.edu/~rbryson/dramadept/CutAwl/
>> 
>> A really cool little machine that a lot of people have never seen or
> used.
>> 
>> Victor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:29:28 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for Lasers?
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
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References: <list-26964098 [at] prxy.net>

On 8:35:59 am 01/24/06 "Adam Zeek" <dmx0512 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Safety is a big concern. I remember when I was working at a nightclub
> and we rented a laser we had to fill out a huge amount of liability
> paperwork and whatnot with some agency. I think it was something
> wierd like the Environmental Protection Agency. Anyways, I guess
> there are a lot of rules when it comes to lasers, like they can only
> shine so many feet above people's heads and what not. Don't know
> where this information is though. Though it might be different since
> we had paid customers to worry about. My 2 cents.
>
> ~Adam
>
>
 It's part of the FDA.  Center for radiological devices I think.  
Back when lasers were brand new gee-whiz lab toys, a turf battle 
in the federal government ensued over who gets to regulate them. 
FDA won, and their argument was that their primary use would 
be in the medical field.  They turned out to be wrong, of course. 
thier primary use is as a cat toy.

  --Dale


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Message-ID: <002a01c620f3$a0431350$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Platforms (longish)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:36:55 -0600

Posted:  "Well,, I'm a big proponent of stress skin decks set on top of knee 
walls, trestles or stacked blue foam pylons."

Please see my post of the Life Safety Code requirements regarding foam 
plastics, which I'm willing to bet includes "blue foam pylons", probably 
extruded polystyrene.

I have no solution.  There would be a lot of things many of you do regularly 
that you wouldn't if strictly following the regulations.

By the way, August 24th, 2006 is the deadline for submitting proposals for 
changes to the Life Safety Code.  You can get details at their web site or 
in the code book.  Also, the deadline for submitting changes for the next 
edition of the International Building Code (all of the International codes 
actually) is March 24th.  If your serious about submitting a proposal for a 
change, I'd be willing to assist.

Regards,  Bill C.



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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-26962866 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Stencil Material
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:42:14 -0800

> I cut my teeth on a Cutawl as a young design assistant.


Ouch.

Do they even make them anymore?  I'd never used one, but I thought it would 
be great to have one, as you'd have a LOT more control than a Roto-Zip 
("Screaming Banshee").

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Subject: RE: Cutawl
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:44:56 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BCBF27E [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>


Merel Ray-Pfeifer wrote

Reminiscing is for things that are no longer around.  Cutawl is a
FABILOUS
tool that I have never seen a better replacement for.  I just found one
stashed away in the prop room. Heavy, tough, a sweet tool. You don't
need
one every day but for those detailed cut outs it can't be beat.

I think Mutual Hardware still carries the blades for them.

__________________________________________________________

I believe the Cut-awl folks are still in business.  Superior Studio
Specialties in Chicago still has it in their catalog (I bought mine from
them 20 years ago).  Here's a link:

http://www.superiorstudio.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=3Dcut+a=
w
l&model=3D&page=3D

Since this is plain text, I don't know if it will come through as a
hyperlink, so you may need to cut and paste it in your browser.

I ordered blades from them a few years ago.  Hopefully, the catalog is
current, cause I need more.

Tom Davis




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Subject: RE: Cutawl
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:47:53 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AC5 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Here's a link:
>=20
> http://www.superiorstudio.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywo
rds=3Dcut+aw
l&model=3D&page=3D

And here's the tinyurl.com version:

http://tinyurl.com/9r6cl

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From: "Tom Hackman" <hackman [at] davisandelkins.edu>
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Subject: Re: Platforms (longish)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:57:34 -0500

Steve,
I like this idea. I have been eye-balling our platform stock with great 
disdain for several years...
You didn't specify spacing, C to C, for you internal framing members. I am 
assuming that you aren't spanning ~4' with 1/2" ply. Did you use 1 or 2 
lengthwise toggles?
Thanks,
Tom

> From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>

> Well,, I'm a big proponent of stress skin decks set on top of knee
> walls, trestles or stacked blue foam pylons.  (C to C spacing varies
> with load and production needs)  Our system has been around about 8 or 9
> years now and pieces are just now starting to need replacing.  We
> originally built 40 - 4 x 8 foot units with 1/2 AC skins on 5/4 x 4 ribs
> run lengthwise with a  member at each end.  All perimeter ribs were set
> in about 1.75" so that a 5/4 spline could be inserted to join two
> adjacent units together.  #8 x 1.25 square drive screws hold the splines
> in position upon installation.


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:48:38 -0900
From: Paul Guncheon <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Glassbreakers
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On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote:

> I am looking at ways to break a pane of tempered
> glass.

I've used a rat trap with a 5/16" bolt brazed to the moving wire  
part.  The the trigger parts of the trap are removed and the device  
is held armed with a solenoid. Hitting the face or the edge of the  
glass should do the trick. I've used the same device to break green- 
ware but at times have had to tape a large fender washer to the  
impact zone as the small diameter of the bolt merely punched a hole  
in the soft clay.

Laters,

Paul

"I'm trying this on" said Tom, having a fit.

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:17:03 -0800
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pneumatic casters
In-Reply-To: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net>

Here's my two cents:

There are two primary ways to make wagon brakes with pneumatics: a rubber 
pad on the business end of a pancake cylinder, which pushes down on the 
floor, almost (but not quite) lifting the unit. This is my preferred method.

The second method pushes a caster down and actually raises the unit off the 
floor. I dislike this system for the following reasons: the pressure 
required is usually higher and uses more air. (This can be a problem if the 
system is feeding off a small tank.) The caster is invariably side-loaded, 
which causes enormous strain on the rod seals and often results in the 
piston scoring the inside walls of the cylinder and that will result in 
premature failure. This problem can be ameliorated by using a sub-frame to 
hold the casters, which the cylinders then force down, but that makes the 
whole thing more complex. If the move is a vista, the lifting may be uneven 
and shake things like chandeliers, etc. But mainly, if your system fails or 
runs out of air, then you are stuck. With the first method you can still 
get the unit off stage and, if necessary you can chock it in an emergency 
with door stops.

As for pancake cylinders . . . Grainger sells them cheap. But, if you pay a 
little more for air-actuate, spring return cylinders (Fabco, SMC and 
others), your portable air source will last a lot longer.

Paintball gun tanks make great sources of portable air. Filling stations 
can be put together for around $300, including the CO2 (siphon) tank.


Loren Schreiber, Technical Director
School of Theatre, Television and Film
San Diego State University

Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride.
Check out www.lrlr.org   for more information, and then join us!
And send us some money! 


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From: "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
Subject: RE: Pyro License
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:19:08 -0500
Message-ID: <004a01c620f9$85e83110$d901a8c0 [at] nemetschek.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26949634 [at] prxy.net>

Paul,

Requirements vary from state to state.  Some states require only a federal
license others require a federal and state license and most states won't
accept another state's license. Typically, on the state level, it's handled
through the State Fire Marshall.  On the federal side it's handled by the
ATF.

The best place to start is with the Pyrotechnics Guild International,
http://www.pgi.org/
They will put you in touch with the local person or club who can help you
through the process and help you get the experience.
If you don't see a local club listed try contacting John Steinberg
(jrsrocket [at] aol.com).  He will be able to put you in touch with the right
people.

The Federal license is simple, just a test and a lot of paperwork.  There
are several types of federal licenses all allowing you to do different
things.

The state license is the one that requires experience, and for some states,
like Maryland, there are now 2 licenses.  One for indoor and one for outdoor
and they both require separate experience.

Kevin

Kevin Linzey
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
Cell: 443-415-4587
Office: 410-487-0100
Fax: 410-487-0090
http://www.fishertheatrical.com/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Guncheon
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:50 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Pyro License
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> This may seem silly but...
> 
> A few years ago I tried to find out how to acquire a pyro 
> license for stage.  I couldn't find the correct local 
> government agency and they were not much help in steering me. 
> I finally got an application form some such but one of its 
> first requirements for a license was at least 2 years in 
> blasting. I'm looking for the license for indoor pyro, open 
> flame, etc.
> 
> What agency have list members who have said licenses gotten them from?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> "You're the one who drained the battery" Tom charged.
> 


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From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Subject: RE: Cutawl
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:25:10 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26965418 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <MALFRONTeIn6dKs3LcI0000056c [at] malfront.capital.edu>

Cutawls can often be purchased used and new off of eBay at a reasonable
cost.  I bought a K-11 last year that is in fine condition.  I also, at one
point bought a K-9 (I think).  It was quite old, and looked a lot like the
original. I've still got the machine, but the motor burned out cutting fish
for Suessical last year. 

G. D. George
Assistant Professor and Technical Director
Capital University Theatre
Department of Communications
1 College and Main
Columbus, OH 43209

(614) 236-6498
ggeorge [at] capital.edu	

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:48 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Cutawl

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> Here's a link:
> 
> http://www.superiorstudio.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywo
rds=cut+aw
l&model=&page=

And here's the tinyurl.com version:

http://tinyurl.com/9r6cl



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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124072952.01f7a8b8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:30:29 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Stencil Material
In-Reply-To: <list-26965309 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26962866 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26965309 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:42 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote:

>Do they even make them anymore?  I'd never used one, but I thought 
>it would be great to have one, as you'd have a LOT more control than 
>a Roto-Zip ("Screaming Banshee").


Sales:  http://www.tylersdisplay.com/cutawl.html

Museum:  http://facweb.furman.edu/~rbryson/dramadept/CutAwl/



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <5a73bd8d0601240731m2e6c2491q52509c783eb392a2 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:31:08 -0500
From: Kevin Lowry <kjlowry [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the floor...
In-Reply-To: <list-26964249 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26963323 [at] prxy.net> <list-26964249 [at] prxy.net>

Just to put my two cents in...

toughprime (black) is designed to be just fine for the fial coat on a deck

Kevin

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124073621.01fdfaf8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:49:01 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Pyro License
In-Reply-To: <list-26966076 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26949634 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26966076 [at] prxy.net>

At 07:19 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
>Requirements vary from state to state.  Some states require only a federal
>license others require a federal and state license and most states won't
>accept another state's license. Typically, on the state level, it's handled
>through the State Fire Marshall.  On the federal side it's handled by the
>ATF.

If you're interested in learning how to build any fireworks, join a 
pyro club soon.  The Consumer Products Safety Commission is working 
hard to remove all sources of pyro-related materials (chemicals, 
paper tubes, fuse) in this country, if they have their way only 
established full-time fireworks companies will be able to build so 
much as a sparkler (see http://www.fireworksfoundation.org/ ).

The logic behind banning the chemicals/materials seems to be "some 
people may build illegal fireworks and hurt themselves and/or others 
so we have to protect these consumers by banning all non-industrial sales."


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Subject: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:54:35 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BCBF29E [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

Hello all.

I am preparing the department's capital budget for next year, and one
item I need some advice on is design software.  In the past, I have used
various architectural and industrial design CAD programs, and I am sure
I'd be happy enough with the latest edition of Autocad, but I do wonder
if there are packages out there you think are superior.  What I need to
do are floorplans, construction drawings, light plots and some basic
3-D. Available libraries of often used theater set pieces and lights
would be a bid plus.  If it has color rendering and walk through bells
and whistles, great, but I do need to keep costs down where I can.  (The
upside here is that I work for a college, and intend to take full
advantage of the educational discounts)

As background, I work in small venues (largest stage in these parts is
40x40), I will not be designing Arts Centers, just the occasional set
and lighting for college and maybe community theater.  On the other end,
I'd like something close enough to industry standard that students will
be able to use skills they develop later in their education or
profession. And our systems here are PC based, although I could probably
get them to order me a Mac if I really wanted one.

Just to make clear, I am not computer illiterate, and I put in my first
CAD system in 1983 (Personal CAD Systems running on a Mindset computer,
lol).  But, is there something out there better than AutoCad for theater
use?

Thanks=20
Tom Davis

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Message-ID: <3eb8da960601240756y4e51ab77ucd045cff55d6e7f5 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:42 -0500
From: Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Fire Hydrant...

Hi folks,

We are looking for a fire hydrant for an upcoming show.  It doesnt
have to work in any shape or fashion, but just needs to look real.  If
anyone in the DC/MD/VA area has one that we could borrow... or rent
cheep... could you please contact me off list?

thanks!

Jason Cowperthwaite
Asst Technical Director
Catholic University of America
Washington, DC

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Message-ID: <20060124155735.29156.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:57:35 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: floor painting/this and that
In-Reply-To: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net>


I second the recommendation for California All Floor,

Thank You Frank!!! That is the best suggestion for my
local paper that I have ever heard.

The CUT AWL. One of my favorite tools. If you are not
familiar with what they are or have used one, check
them out, very cool machine. When Boston Ballet was
doin their re-build of their nut...uhh Christmas show,
I spent weeks behind a cut awl. They are kinda like an
anti-sewing machine, instead of attaching lil
bits-o-stuff it is great at cutting the lil bits out. 

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Subject: RE: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:58:26 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AC7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Just to make clear, I am not computer illiterate, and I put=20
> in my first CAD system in 1983 (Personal CAD Systems running=20
> on a Mindset computer, lol).  But, is there something out=20
> there better than AutoCad for theater use?

Well, there is a pretty good-sized portion of the community that relies
on VectorWorks...but, truth be told, a lot of the preferences/dislikes
between the two programs echo the Mac/PC debate.

------------------------------

Message-ID: <43D64F3E.7040102 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:01:02 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Platforms 
References: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net> <list-26965582 [at] prxy.net>

Tom,
The plywood skins have the grain running lengthwise, the 8' dimension. 
There are 5 ribs running the length of the unit.  The width sees lumber 
only at the ends.  The spacing of the ribs even with one on the midline 
of the unit, the side two set in ~2" from the edge of the ply on all 
sides and the last two midway between the edge and midline ribs.

Please see Bill Conner's note about the use of foam for pylons from 
earlier today.  I accept and agree with his accessment of that material. 
  I wrote him off list for some further advice.  Wood constructed 
trestles or other types of support framing should not be an issue.

Regards,
Steve Rees

Tom Hackman wrote:
> Steve,
> I like this idea. I have been eye-balling our platform stock with great 
> disdain for several years...


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Message-ID: <b3333cd60601240800t2575753scb3b4c1074be7246 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:00:43 -0600
From: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
In-Reply-To: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/24/06, Davis, Thomas J <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello all.
>
> I am preparing the department's capital budget for next year, and one
> item I need some advice on is design software.  In the past, I have used
> various architectural and industrial design CAD programs, and I am sure
> I'd be happy enough with the latest edition of Autocad, but I do wonder
> if there are packages out there you think are superior.  --

I'll start it out by putting my vote in for Vectorworks / Spotlight.=20
It is reasonably priced and does exactly what I need it to do!  I have
been using it now for 5-6 years with little to no problems.  VW is
used by a large number of working theatre educators and professionals.
 I have used ACAD before but prefer VW.  Many people use ACAD but I
don't buy the hooey (sp?) about it being the industry standard!

Best of luck,
Pat

Patrick Immel
Lighting and Scenic Designer
Northwest Missouri State University
patrickimmel.com

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Message-ID: <14826093.1138118699441.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:04:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Fritz Schwentker <fritz.td [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: Fritz Schwentker <fritz.td [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: USITT poster session

Dear Colleagues:

I am offering the following opportunity to participate in the upcoming USITT conference in Louisville at the end of March.

The Technical Production Commission will again be sponsoring a poster session in conjunction with its annual reception at the conference on Thursday, March 30 at 4:45pm. After some general commission announcements, colleagues will have the opportunity to visit various presentations and discuss the work with the presenters. The event promises to be even more lively as the standard reception cash bar and snacks will be available!

So, if you have some research you have been conducting, or have an original or new way of approaching our work in technical production, please consider participating. This is also an ideal way to try out material that you might be considering for future conference sessions. This point is especially natable as we do our conference planning while meeting at the previous year's event! Also, if your institution requires that you must participate in a session in order to be considered for funding, this should fulfill that requirement.

A great variety of presentations work well in this setting. In the past, we have had successful offerings ranging from new computer based production solutions, to graduate student thesis presentations, to demonstrations of new materials. 

Folks who are interested in participation should be in touch with me by email at fritz [at] schwentker.com. Make sure to include a brief description of what the presentation includes and I will let reply as soon as possible if we can include it in our event.

Note that we can provide a table, a 4x8 homosote pin board and a 120v convenience outlet for a laptop or the like.

Do not hesitate to be in touch with your questions, and I look forward to hearing about your ideas!

best,

Fritz

===================
Fritz Schwentker

Vice-Commissioner
USITT Technical Production Commission

512 585 5184
fritz [at] schwentker.com
===================

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:06:53 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
In-reply-to: <list-26967186 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <02D4EFB6-9D5B-45A8-8E3E-A041F2E54E35 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net> <list-26967186 [at] prxy.net>

I agree with Patrick. I have been using VectorWorks (MiniCAD) since =20
version 3, about 12 years. In that time, I have had occasion to poke =20
around in AutoCAD from time to time and go running back to the =20
VectorWorks suite.






On Jan 24, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Patrick Immel wrote:

> VW is
> used by a large number of working theatre educators and professionals.
>  I have used ACAD before but prefer VW.  Many people use ACAD but I
> don't buy the hooey (sp?) about it being the industry standard!


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:07:49 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c62100$52ed2e30$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net>


 
> packages out there you think are superior.  What I need to do 
> are floorplans, construction drawings, light plots and some 
> basic 3-D. Available libraries of often used theater set 
> pieces and lights would be a bid plus.

Well, I use Visual CADD, but I don't expect to be able to persuade anyone
else in theatre to do so (although it's very fast, easy, and
well-supported).  It's only 2-D, though.

As for lighting symbols, this might be a good time to remind people that
I've got symbols for just about every conventional light in current use
available in DWG, DXF, and PDF formats at
http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm


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Message-ID: <20060124160840.79786.qmail [at] web81511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:08:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Platforms 
Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
In-Reply-To: <list-26967118 [at] prxy.net>

--- "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu> wrote:

> Please see Bill Conner's note about the use of foam
> for pylons from 
> earlier today.  I accept and agree with his
> accessment of that material. 
>   I wrote him off list for some further advice. 
> Wood constructed 
> trestles or other types of support framing should
> not be an issue.


I don't have access to a copy of the code at the
moment, so what is the issue? If I had to guess, I
would say that the problem is that many foams will
disintegrate rapidly when exposed to heat, thus
causing a collapse. Wood will tend to last longer
before it burns through, leading to the same collapse.
Is this a valid hypothesis?

Mike Heinicke

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060124111512.01e79e48 [at] pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:16:22 -0500
From: Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stencil Material
In-Reply-To: <list-26965309 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26962866 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26965309 [at] prxy.net>

I have not seen a new one in years. But type cut awl in a search and 
see what you get.  Yes, I remember using them years ago.

Richard Keith
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>>I cut my teeth on a Cutawl as a young design assistant.
>
>
>Ouch.
>
>Do they even make them anymore?  I'd never used one, but I thought 
>it would be great to have one, as you'd have a LOT more control than 
>a Roto-Zip ("Screaming Banshee").
>
>     - Jon Ares
>www.hevanet.com/acreative



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From: Pgl87 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <cd.361de945.3107ad9a [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:19:38 EST
Subject: Looking for lasers?

Perhaps it's not a problem, but I can't help but wonder - is this  safe
for the dancers? Laser levels and Laser pointers all say not to shine  them
into anyone's eyes or to look into them. If they are shining onto the  stage
- and presumably the dancers -  aren't they risking eye  damage?
 
First of all, they should be instructed to keep from staring at them,  
secondly I would hang them above eye level as far away as  practical.

Philip LaDue
EPAC Audio Engineer
RFL
 

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Message-ID: <20060124162241.27402.qmail [at] web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:22:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cutawl
In-Reply-To: <list-26966157 [at] prxy.net>

How thick of material can a Cutawl handle?
I saw and briefly used one years ago at the community
college I attended. I agree that they are neat
machines. They are just a little too specialized for
me to be able to justify one at most of the small
shops I've supervised. Maybe one of these days...

Mike Heinicke

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060124112539.01e89680 [at] pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:12 -0500
From: Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
In-Reply-To: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net>

Check with your local Fire Dept or city offices.  You would be 
surprised at what people will lend or give you for community good will.

Richard Keith



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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124082817.02059c10 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:29:07 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Cutawl
In-Reply-To: <list-26967787 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26966157 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26967787 [at] prxy.net>

At 08:22 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
>How thick of material can a Cutawl handle?


I've seen blades listed for 1.25" material.  These are the toothed 
ones like a reciprocating saw.



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-ID: <3eb8da960601240848i6e6af25dx4b35e2f5b12b24e8 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:48:39 -0500
From: Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
In-Reply-To: <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net> <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>

Unfortunately, we have tried that and gotten a rather impressive
string of runaround.  Something about DC employees not really wanting
to be pleasant and helpful... think its part of the job description
actually.


Thanks for the idea though,

Jason Cowperthwaite

On 1/24/06, Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Check with your local Fire Dept or city offices.  You would be
> surprised at what people will lend or give you for community good will.
>
> Richard Keith
>
>
>

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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601240851o18b8505vf152c460713ae8c7 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:51:01 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)

>>>>Sales:  http://www.tylersdisplay.com/cutawl.html<<<<

It's nice to know you can still buy one.

>>>>Alas, to reminisce about a power tool... must be a stagecraft thing.<<<=
<

I remember (at a previous place of employment) when we were "spring
cleaning" the loft above our shop and found one stashed away in a box,
in the corner. That sucker still had the original case and all!!
It is an amazing tool, and for some odd reason or another, totally fun
and addicting to use. Guess it's all that twisting/turning you can do,
and the ease of use. Don't have one anymore, but loved it when we had
it.

--SS
TTS-EKU

"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
 --Bill Lumbergh

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060124115747.01e864a0 [at] pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:00:18 -0500
From: Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
In-Reply-To: <list-26968458 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26968458 [at] prxy.net>



We have found a solution to that problem. We have The local mayor on 
both the campus board of directors and the local Theatres 
also.  Occasionally casting town figures does not hurt either.

Rick



>Unfortunately, we have tried that and gotten a rather impressive
>string of runaround.  Something about DC employees not really wanting
>to be pleasant and helpful... think its part of the job description
>actually.
>
>
>Thanks for the idea though,
>
>Jason Cowperthwaite



------------------------------

From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1f7.1a86353b.3107b889 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:06:17 EST
Subject: Re: It's happened again....

>Maybe this is something the ESTA should look  at? (Just kidding. I think.)

Actually, ESTA does have a Code of  Conduct:
The members of the Entertainment  Services  and Technology Association
share a common commitment  through this statement of ethical practices
to promote the  highest possible standards of professional conduct.

There are twelve  points spelled out that all members of ESTA pledge to 
follow.
Failure to  uphold these principles can result in revocation of  membership.

SteveV
Orlando, FL  


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Subject: RE: Painting the floor...
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:10:50 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ACB [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Butt joints are covered in=20
> strips of torn, not cut,=20
> newsprint.=20

Great idea for hiding seams!  But there are times and places on the
stage where a little bit of seamage can come in handy...especially if
you line up your sheet goods so that there's a nice four-way joint at
the center/plaster line intersection.  Do you leave that part unpapered?

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Subject: RE: It's happened again....
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:20:12 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ACC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Actually, ESTA does have a Code of  Conduct:
> The members of the Entertainment  Services  and Technology=20
> Association share a common commitment  through this statement=20
> of ethical practices to promote the  highest possible=20
> standards of professional conduct.

Took a look at the list after reading this, and (especially in light of
the "unfair trade practices" part) have to ask what view ESTA takes on
member vendors who might decide to sell gear by a certain German audio
company with a baaaad rep...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV384AA920BA32B259B21F6DF130 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: Looking for lasers?
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:48:43 -0600
Message-ID: <007901c6210e$6b5b4480$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-26967733 [at] prxy.net>

Lasers do damage quickly, it doesn=92t take staring at them. My husband =
had a
laser quickly flashed in his eye once and it burned a hole in his =
retina.
Fortunately for him, it eventually healed and he can see fine now. OF
course, it depends on the power of the laser, but care should definitely =
be
taken.

Laura


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
> Pgl87 [at] aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:20 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Looking for lasers?
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see =
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Perhaps it's not a problem, but I can't help but wonder - is this  =
safe
> for the dancers? Laser levels and Laser pointers all say not to shine
> them
> into anyone's eyes or to look into them. If they are shining onto the
> stage
> - and presumably the dancers -  aren't they risking eye  damage?
>=20
> First of all, they should be instructed to keep from staring at them,
> secondly I would hang them above eye level as far away as  practical.
>=20
> Philip LaDue
> EPAC Audio Engineer
> RFL
>=20

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: It's happened again....
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:49:41 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c6210e$8e0a8270$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-26969250 [at] prxy.net>


> Took a look at the list after reading this, and (especially 
> in light of the "unfair trade practices" part) have to ask 
> what view ESTA takes on member vendors who might decide to 
> sell gear by a certain German audio company with a baaaad rep...

If they do so without misrepresenting it, they're providing their customers
with an option.

Options are always good.


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:50:07 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <84884483.20060124125007 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Molded "Y" two-fers

O wise oracles of the theatrical craft I beseech thee again!

I have a customer seeking a quantity of ready-made one-piece molded
"Two-fers" with parallel-blade "Edison" style connectors.  I used to
buy them from Daniel Woodhead company, but I don't find them on their
woodhead.com website.  Kindly suggest another source, please.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 
 
  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.60        mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net


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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV1604B63C4742B425E536A7DF130 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:50:50 -0600
Message-ID: <007b01c6210e$b7485ef0$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-26967433 [at] prxy.net>

I'll put my vote in for Vectorworks. We bought a version of it a few years
ago at The Dallas Opera, because most of the lighting designers were wanting
to send their lightplots to us as Vectorworks files. It is very common with
professional lighting designers.

Laura

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
> E. Salzberg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:08 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> > packages out there you think are superior.  What I need to do
> > are floorplans, construction drawings, light plots and some
> > basic 3-D. Available libraries of often used theater set
> > pieces and lights would be a bid plus.
> 

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Molded "Y" two-fers
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:04:39 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA300523 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill)

Lex Products would be my suggestion. =20
http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/np19a.htm

Abby



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Message-ID: <43D66AB4.3000109 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:12 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: pneumatically operated casters
References: <list-26933620 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26933620 [at] prxy.net>

David R. Krajec wrote:
> Concerning the thread on pneumatically operated casters - What is your
> favorite manufacturer?  I can't seem to find anything on-line.

I haven't found anything online, either.

I only have one contact, passed on to me from Tom MacFarlane of
Etobicoke Musical Productions:

Paul Bogle,
APS (Automation Product Supply)
4 - 291 Lorne Ave.
Stratford, ON     N5A 6S4
519 - 275 - 3555

Tom gets his nitrogen tanks and regulators from a local (Toronto)
supplier, there's probably someone nearby who can supply those parts for
you.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43D66B99.40807 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:02:01 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Casters
References: <list-26923009 [at] prxy.net> <list-26949633 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26949633 [at] prxy.net>

Paul Guncheon wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote:
> 
>>
>> The big problem is the initial investment - something like $1500- $1800.
> 
> 
> As I remember, pneumatic systems I have built cost way less than  this.
> How many units are you talking about?

I don't remember - probably four, maybe six. This is the entire startup
costs, including casters, cylinders for the nitrogen, regulators,
valves, tubing, etc. etc.

> I used low profile "pancake" cylinders from McMaster-Carr (around $50 
> each) and shop built ABS tanks or paintball cylinders.

Thanks for that tip.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <001101c62110$4a2e27d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
Subject: Shakespeare's most unfunny clown
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:02:07 -0800

I'm working on "As You Like It," and the director/friend of mine is 
challenged, as most are, with Billy Shake's most unfunny clown in his 
canon - Touchstone.  Anyone have any suggestions on actually making him 
somewhat funny?  It won't be the boy's looks, or stature, or anything like 
that - he's a blond, boy-next-door type, 'normal' height, very intelligent, 
likable (on- and offstage) and is saddled with some of the worst 'funny' 
lines in the history of theatre.

Thoughts?

    - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:05:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BFFBD67F.9922%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26968526 [at] prxy.net>

I bought mine at a yard sale for $100.

Steve

> From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:51:01 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>>>>> Sales:  http://www.tylersdisplay.com/cutawl.html<<<<
> 
> It's nice to know you can still buy one.
> 
>>>>> Alas, to reminisce about a power tool... must be a stagecraft thing.<<<<
> 
> I remember (at a previous place of employment) when we were "spring
> cleaning" the loft above our shop and found one stashed away in a box,
> in the corner. That sucker still had the original case and all!!
> It is an amazing tool, and for some odd reason or another, totally fun
> and addicting to use. Guess it's all that twisting/turning you can do,
> and the ease of use. Don't have one anymore, but loved it when we had
> it.
> 
> --SS
> TTS-EKU
> 
> "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
> want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
> --Bill Lumbergh


------------------------------

From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Subject: Cutawl and gobo cutting
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:25:00 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-26970352 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <MALFRONTcrYP0QzBxhJ00000575 [at] malfront.capital.edu>

Speaking of which, never having tried to cut a gobo by hand before, I'm
curious what has worked for you folks.  I need a set of Lone Star Beer gobos
in two colors for _Sordid Lives_.  I think the Cutawl will cut thin steel,
and that it will work at the level of detail that I need. Any suggestions?

Jerry

G. D. George
Assistant Professor and Technical Director
Capital University Theatre
Department of Communications
1 College and Main
Columbus, OH 43209

(614) 236-6498
ggeorge [at] capital.edu	

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Larson
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:05 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I bought mine at a yard sale for $100.

Steve

> From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:51:01 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Cutawl (was Stencil Material)
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>>>>> Sales:  http://www.tylersdisplay.com/cutawl.html<<<<
> 
> It's nice to know you can still buy one.
> 
>>>>> Alas, to reminisce about a power tool... must be a stagecraft
thing.<<<<
> 
> I remember (at a previous place of employment) when we were "spring
> cleaning" the loft above our shop and found one stashed away in a box,
> in the corner. That sucker still had the original case and all!!
> It is an amazing tool, and for some odd reason or another, totally fun
> and addicting to use. Guess it's all that twisting/turning you can do,
> and the ease of use. Don't have one anymore, but loved it when we had
> it.
> 
> --SS
> TTS-EKU
> 
> "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
> want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
> --Bill Lumbergh





------------------------------

Message-ID: <000f01c62113$9013a6a0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt>
From: <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
References: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Why we go Nut-Crackers
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:19:59 -0600
Organization: Minnesota Ballet

<The techs on the yearly production of Nutcracker I'm involved in have a
tradition of singing along,>

There's words? Are they published somewhere or did they make them up?

The crew I get in Columbia, MO has been doing Nutcracker with me for 8 
years. Every year at the Sugar Plum part the fly rail does a virtual 
orchestra. They even take different parts! I get a kick out of hearing over 
the headset the arguments over who's going to be playing what instrument.

Ken
MN Ballet 



------------------------------

From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <7b.53f6d083.3107cc12 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:38 EST
Subject: Re: Why we go Nut-Crackers


In a message dated 1/24/06 1:27:02 PM, productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org 
writes:

<< <The techs on the yearly production of Nutcracker I'm involved in have a

tradition of singing along,>


There's words? Are they published somewhere or did they make them up?


The crew I get in Columbia, MO has been doing Nutcracker with me for 8 

years. Every year at the Sugar Plum part the fly rail does a virtual 

orchestra. They even take different parts! I get a kick out of hearing over 

the headset the arguments over who's going to be playing what instrument.


Ken

MN Ballet  >>


I used to do a production of Nut with the company I was running with the 
IMPERIAL SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA of Lakeland FL, 

we didn't have a BOY CHOIR for the "aaa aaahhh" in WALTZ OF THE SNOW FLAKES, 
, so the orchestra player sang along in falsetto from the pit, , 

actually considering that the orchestra wasn't exactly top drawer, , , was 
one of the better sounding moments in the production.

very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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In-Reply-To: <list-26938139 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26938139 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <9f065745b369ce6e0d2abafe43a780cb [at] sandiego.edu>
From: James Feinberg <feinberg [at] sandiego.edu>
Subject: Re: Painting the floor...
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:33:09 -0800

Back when I was on the East Coast, we used Allflor for everything.  But 
you can't get it in the west half of the country.  Some sort of 
marketing arrangement they've made.

So now we use Rosco ToughPrime.  There are other products which hold up 
better, and other products which roll on more easily, but none that do 
both as well as the ToughPrime.  And yes, it looks just fine as a 
single or top coat.

--James Feinberg
University of San Diego


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Steve,
>
> We've used California Paints Allflor.  Though it doesn't mix well with 
> other
> paints/colors, I like the semi gloss black and its toughness.
>
> Victor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Jones
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:37 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Painting the floor...
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, I am finally getting a chance to paint the stage deck and was 
> looking
> for any insight.
>
> Our deck is tempered Masonite over the original wood floor.  It has 
> not been
> treated or painted since we opened last April.
>
> We are probably going to paint it flat black.
>
> Any thoughts on type of paint?  Rosco Floor Paint vs local paint or 
> other?
> Techniques to ensure good adhesion?  Etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
>
> *************************************
> Steve Jones, Director
> Plaza Theatre
> 115 E. Main Street
> Glasgow, KY  42141
> Voice: (270) 361-2101
> Fax: (270) 834-8147
> http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org
>
>
> The Spencers-Theatre of Illusion
> Sunday, February 12, 2006, 2:00 PM
>
> An Evening With Groucho
> Saturday, April 22, 2006, 7:00 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
Subject: Cutting Machines was Cutawl and gobo cutting
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:33:49 +0400
In-Reply-To: <list-26970871 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20060124183355.350005AF9 [at] mail05.powweb.com>

 
Does anyone here used the festool ts55 with the fence (guide rail system)
its really good and great when out of the workshop. its so much quicker and
more accurate than a standard plunge / circular saw



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Message-ID: <3eb8da960601241047p6abb9cb5x7466789917c83e05 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:47:19 -0500
From: Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
In-Reply-To: <list-26968741 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net> <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-26968458 [at] prxy.net> <list-26968741 [at] prxy.net>

ha!  Excellent plan!  Dont think Mayor Anthony Williams could act his
way out of a paper bag though... Councilwoman Linda Cropp though....
hmmmmmm

On 1/24/06, Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> We have found a solution to that problem. We have The local mayor on
> both the campus board of directors and the local Theatres
> also.  Occasionally casting town figures does not hurt either.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> >Unfortunately, we have tried that and gotten a rather impressive
> >string of runaround.  Something about DC employees not really wanting
> >to be pleasant and helpful... think its part of the job description
> >actually.
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the idea though,
> >
> >Jason Cowperthwaite
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:49:03 -0700
From: Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
Subject: Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)
In-reply-to: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43D6769F.6080407 [at] du.edu>
Organization: DU Theatre
References: <list-26966981 [at] prxy.net>

Yes there is.  It's Vectorworks.  I posted on this last week I think so 
won't repeat all of that here.
Davy

Davis, Thomas J wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> I am preparing the department's capital budget for next year, and one
> item I need some advice on is design software.
 >snip
   But, is there something out there better than AutoCad for theater
> use?
> 
> Thanks 
> Tom Davis
> 
> 

-- 
William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair
Department of Theatre
University of Denver


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Message-ID: <43D678BB.8000202 [at] midmaine.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:58:03 -0500
From: Jeffrey Ferrell <jeffclef [at] midmaine.com>
Subject: Re: Why we go Nut-Crackers
References: <list-26971162 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26971162 [at] prxy.net>

One of the main themes from fairly early in first act was used, with 
lyrics, to advertise the cereal "Smurf Berry Crunch".  Sadly, I remember 
it all too well, and every year I am compelled to regale my crew (most 
of whom don't remember the smurfs, let alone their cereal) with it, over 
the headsets.


Jeff  "hangin' his head in shame"  Ferrell
TD - Robinson Ballet Company


IAEG [at] aol.com wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>In a message dated 1/24/06 1:27:02 PM, productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org 
>writes:
>
><< <The techs on the yearly production of Nutcracker I'm involved in have a
>
>tradition of singing along,>
>
>
>There's words? Are they published somewhere or did they make them up?
>
>  
>



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Message-ID: <04077a4f757bc6e956bf91f22a47bafd [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:53:16 -0500
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Cutawl and gobo cutting
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-26970871 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26970871 [at] prxy.net>

On 1:25:00 pm 01/24/06 "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Speaking of which, never having tried to cut a gobo by hand before,
> I'm curious what has worked for you folks.  I need a set of Lone Star
> Beer gobos in two colors for _Sordid Lives_.  I think the Cutawl will
> cut thin steel, and that it will work at the level of detail that I
> need. Any suggestions?
> Jerry
>

  The one time I did that, I used a drill press with a 
tiny drill in it, and basically used the drill to put 
holes where all the corners and points were in the 
design, then used a pair of nibblers and sheet metal 
snips to cut it out.   

  Ever since then I've found the time and money to 
send out the design to someone else to make.  Which 
gives me several spares for trivial additional cash.   
After the show the extras go into the maybe I'll 
need it someday box.  


  --Dale


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Message-ID: <ce2084ad0601241100o516a48e8qe319c3fd3d3c36f9 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:00:52 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill)
Subject: Re: Molded "Y" two-fers
In-Reply-To: <list-26969969 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26969969 [at] prxy.net>

Frank:

You can try TMB, too.  Either the NJ or the LA office can do this.

http://www.tmb.com

Full disclosure - I was a salesman for them for a while.  Doesn't
change the fact that they do good stuff.
--
Ken Romaine
Business Development Manager
Barco Media & Entertainment
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

On 1/24/06, Frank E. Merrill <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net> wrote:
>
> I have a customer seeking a quantity of ready-made one-piece molded
> "Two-fers" with parallel-blade "Edison" style connectors.  I used to
> buy them from Daniel Woodhead company, but I don't find them on their
> woodhead.com website.  Kindly suggest another source, please.

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <214.11ce5151.3107d3da [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:02:50 EST
Subject: Re: Pyro License

In a message dated 24/01/06 15:49:49 GMT Standard Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> If you're interested in learning how to build any fireworks, join a 
>  pyro club soon.  The Consumer Products Safety Commission is working 
>  hard to remove all sources of pyro-related materials (chemicals, 
>  paper tubes, fuse) in this country, if they have their way only 
>  established full-time fireworks companies will be able to build so 
>  much as a sparkler (see http://www.fireworksfoundation.org/ ).

Typical regulatory authority. They don't think of the knock-ons. No 
saltpetre; I can't make proper salt pork: no flowers of sulphur; I can't make Bordeaux 
mixture to keep mildew off my vines: no charcoal; I can't do a proper barbecue.

Mix them up in the right proportions, and there's gunpowder.

I could go on. Many common or garden household and garden substances can 
serve as explosives or incendiaries, if you know how. All have legitimate uses, 
and the know-how isn't rocket science. Real high explosives are trickier, but 
not much. Even detonators of a sort are not hard. Somewhere, buried in an old 
chemistry textbook, I have instructions for preparing mercury fulminate.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <b7.687df42e.3107d65f [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:13:35 EST
Subject: Re: question on design software (a looooonnngg question)

In a message dated 24/01/06 16:01:30 GMT Standard Time, salukitd [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> I'll start it out by putting my vote in for Vectorworks / Spotlight. 
>  It is reasonably priced and does exactly what I need it to do!  I have
>  been using it now for 5-6 years with little to no problems.  VW is
>  used by a large number of working theatre educators and professionals.
>   I have used ACAD before but prefer VW.  Many people use ACAD but I
>  don't buy the hooey (sp?) about it being the industry standard!

If it's still around, AutoSketch is a possibility for a small venue. It is 
ACAD's baby brother, and works in a similar way. I've been using it forfifteen 
years or more. It's only two-dimensional, but it will talk both ways to ACAD, 
and runs on a PC. Learning to drive it will help you to come to grips with its 
big brother. And it beats hell out of a drawing board.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <129.6cc680b4.3107d798 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:18:48 EST
Subject: Re: Painting the floor...

In a message dated 24/01/06 17:11:36 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> Great idea for hiding seams!  But there are times and places on the
>  stage where a little bit of seamage can come in handy...especially if
>  you line up your sheet goods so that there's a nice four-way joint at
>  the center/plaster line intersection.  Do you leave that part unpapered?

It seldom happens, as we usually use an arena stage. We might spike it.


Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124112753.01fc2550 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:32:50 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Pyro License
In-Reply-To: <list-26972126 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26972126 [at] prxy.net>

At 11:02 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
>I could go on. Many common or garden household and garden substances can
>serve as explosives or incendiaries, if you know how. All have 
>legitimate uses,
>and the know-how isn't rocket science. Real high explosives are trickier, but
>not much. Even detonators of a sort are not hard. Somewhere, buried in an old
>chemistry textbook, I have instructions for preparing mercury fulminate.

In the USA there's some new law about making everyone who handles 
nitrate fertilizer have a federal explosives permit.  I don't 
remember the details, it's too depressing.

As an "amusing" aside, in the last week or two there was an attempted 
bombing (I think it was in the UK) where someone filled an auto with 
display fireworks and blew it up outside a police station.  It 
destroyed the car, didn't damage much of anything else.  So much for 
terrorists using fireworks to blow up buildings (it CAN be done, but 
a trip to the drug store will get you a bigger bang cheaper).


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:42:27 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
In-reply-to: <list-26971797 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43D68323.6010708 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net> <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26968458 [at] prxy.net> <list-26968741 [at] prxy.net> <list-26971797 [at] prxy.net>

Jason Cowperthwaite wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> ha!  Excellent plan!  Dont think Mayor Anthony Williams could act his
> way out of a paper bag though... Councilwoman Linda Cropp though....
> hmmmmmm

Marion Barry certainly has the conciliatory act down pat, though. 
Very convincing to the residents apparently.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Subject: RE: Pyro License
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:46:36 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ACF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Somewhere,=20
> buried in an old=20
> chemistry textbook, I have instructions for preparing mercury=20
> fulminate.

And that noise you just heard was the collective sound of alarm bells
going off at the FBI, flagging the curious part of the list membership
for "suspicious" googling of mercury fulminate...

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Pyro License
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:49:49 -0000
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPIECJDLAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26949634 [at] prxy.net>

Paul,

Where are you based?
I have it in my addled brain that you're UK, no?
If so, there's no such thing (AFAIK) here as a pyro licence.

If you're US based, then the best of British.....!!

TD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul
> Guncheon
> Sent: 23 January 2006 14:50
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Pyro License
> 
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> This may seem silly but...
> 
> A few years ago I tried to find out how to acquire a pyro license for  
> stage.  I couldn't find the correct local government agency and they  
> were not much help in steering me. I finally got an application form  
> some such but one of its first requirements for a license was at  
> least 2 years in blasting. I'm looking for the license for indoor  
> pyro, open flame, etc.
> 
> What agency have list members who have said licenses gotten them from?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> "You're the one who drained the battery" Tom charged.
> 


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Subject: RE: Cutawl and gobo cutting
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:53:12 -0500
Message-ID: <E321F8A26790B044A1ED6D4A493E4F4602E6CC [at] dionysus.vlsoffice.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

> Speaking of which, never having tried to cut a gobo by hand=20
> before, I'm curious what has worked for you folks.  I need a=20
> set of Lone Star Beer gobos in two colors for _Sordid Lives_.=20
>  I think the Cutawl will cut thin steel, and that it will=20
> work at the level of detail that I need. Any suggestions?

Maybe you've already considered this, but is it that much of a savings
to do a homemade job?  A steel custom gobo is not THAT expensive.  If
you need two of the same the duplicate is less than half the cost of the
original.  I don't know if you have copyright issues with your image.
I've personally made homemades in my past life, but once they are
magnified in projection all of the flaws are, well, right there.

Again, it might not be economical, but Rosco's ImagePro is a very slick
solution that can be used for limited periods using diy transparencies
(b/w or color).  Might be a good investment if you see yourself doing
more than a few custom projections.

Maybe I don't understand the economics here, but if you consider your
layout and labor time it might be worth a thought.

Good Luck,
Paul

***********************************************************
Paul Sanow 			psanow [at] vls.com
Technical Sales			www.vincentlighting.com
Vincent Lighting Systems


1420 Jamike Ln. #2
Erlanger, KY 41018

(859) 525-2000	x211		FAX (859) 525-2050
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Message-ID: <20060124200026.76474.qmail [at] web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:00:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Continuing: Lightweight headsets
In-Reply-To: <list-26961256 [at] prxy.net>


Hey Stuart,

I have been happy with my CC26 for many years; though
by the spec sheets, I like the looks of the Telex
gooseneck mic boom and the moleskin earpiece.

Regardless of the piece you choose, may I recommend a
small case for your headset?  I attribute my many
years of service from my featherweight headset to
having and using a nice case to protect it in.  This
small pistol case was from Dick's Sporting Goods,
$8.00 USD.  Cut out some of the foam with an exacto
knife for a custom fit.

http://tinyurl.com/7j7qg

If you're interested in paying the shipping (~$7.50
USD each way), you can borrow my headset to see if you
like it, I'm not using it much these days.  Drop me a
note off list.

Paul



> I'm now looking at two specific models and possibly
> a third.
> 
> The two main candidates are the Clear-com CC26 and
> the Telex PH88.
> They seem very similar and are in the same ballpark
> price wise.


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:15:59 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Pyro License
In-reply-to: <list-26972877 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43D68AFF.5080305 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26972126 [at] prxy.net> <list-26972877 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Durand wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
> So much for terrorists 
> using fireworks to blow up buildings (it CAN be done, but a trip to the 
> drug store will get you a bigger bang cheaper).

Geez, Jerry.  Making comments like that will end up with every CVS and 
Walgreen's being closed for Homeland Security reasons.  :-D

Steve L.


-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:16:08 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Cutawl and gobo cutting
In-reply-to: <list-26970871 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43D68B08.2050902 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-26970871 [at] prxy.net>

G. D. George wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------- 
> Speaking of which, never having tried to cut a gobo by hand before, I'm
> curious what has worked for you folks.  I need a set of Lone Star Beer gobos
> in two colors for _Sordid Lives_.  I think the Cutawl will cut thin steel,
> and that it will work at the level of detail that I need. Any suggestions?

I have cut gobos by hand, usually with a utility knife.  Transfer the 
image to some offset printer's tin and carefully cut it out with the 
knife.

Or you can etch it with acid

Directions from the list (originally posted by Nancy Moeur of Syracuse 
Stage)

I don't know that I have official instructions, but here's what I've done:

OBLIGATORY WARNING:  This process involves using chemicals which are 
undoubtedly
harmful to you and the world around you.  Use protective equipment, 
work in a
well-ventilated space, and dispose of wastes properly. Read the 
warnings on the
bottles.   There, I've said it.

You will need:
Printer's tin or other thin metal (see note)
Muriatic acid (see note)
Spray paint
Lacquer
Lacquer thinner
The template image already cut out of cardstock at the right size
An Xacto knife or two
A glass or porcelain vessel with a flat bottom
Water
Pliers or something to pull the templates out of the acid.

Notes:
Printer's tin.  I know this stuff is getting harder to find, and I'm lucky
because one of the design professors here has a whole pile of it 
hidden away.
I bet a pie plate would work, but I haven't done it.

Muriatic acid.  The bottle I have says it's 28% Hydrochloric Acid. 
AKA, they
dissolve HCl to a 28% concentration.  In some states, you can't buy 
"Muriatic
Acid"--just some "replacement."  I don't know what the "replacement" 
is, but I
bet it doesn't etch templates very well.  If you have a chemist 
friend, they
should be able to make some muriatic acid easily.

What to do:
Print/draw your image at the right size on cardstock and cut it out with
something sharp.

Using this stencil, spraypaint the image onto the printer's tin.  Do 
it neatly,
but you're really only using the paint as a guide--it isn't the resist 
for the
acid.

After the spraypaint is dry, coat both sides of the tin thoroughly in 
lacquer.
I like the spray-on kind.  The lacquer is the resist.

After the lacquer is dry, cut through the lacquer, into the metal a 
bit, along
the lines of your stencil.  Be neat about this.  Make sure your lines 
meet at
the corners, etc....

Dilute the muriatic acid to about 50% with water in the non-metal 
bowl.  (I've
done it on a plate, too.  You really only need enough to get both 
sides of the
template covered.  No sense wasting any more than that.)

Set the template in the acid.  Soon (2-5 minutes, I'd guess) you'll 
start to see
larger and larger bubbles form along the lines you've cut.  If you're
impatient, add more acid if the bubbles don't come soon enough.

The bubbling will get more and more vigorous.  Pull the template up by 
a corner
and try to poke out some of the holes with the knife.  If they don't 
come out,
put it back in the acid.  You don't want to leave it in _too_ long, 
because the
acid will start to eat through the now-raw edges.  But leave it in 
long enough
to loosen the parts you're cutting away.

When you take it out, wash it thoroughly in clean water.  Poke out the 
loose
pieces of metal.

Clean off the remaining lacquer and spraypaint with the thinner.

Repeat with more templates.  Actually, if I have to do multiples, I 
tend to dip
them all at once.  Just get a container large enough that they don't 
sit on
each other.

I've had better luck with simple things (windows, large breakups) than 
with
delicate things (feathers, etc...).  I've managed to make templates 
both in
B-size and also for our moving lights (Studio Spots).  For the smaller 
ones
especially, it helps if you not only etch the image, but the 
circumference of
the finished template.  Let the acid just cut out the circle for you, 
rather
than bending the metal by cutting it with scissors or snips.


whew!

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060124152129.01e85d78 [at] pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:24:33 -0500
From: Richard Keith <keith.78 [at] osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...off topic
In-Reply-To: <list-26971797 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26967062 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26967888 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26968458 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26968741 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26971797 [at] prxy.net>

They half to act???? well??? I was thinking of the non speaking Third 
Spear carrier from the left who the director secretly tells them is 
the lead.  Anyway Dont forget your presidents,, after if If 
Regin  could play Bedtime for Bonzo, certainly our current pres could 
do as well.


>ha!  Excellent plan!  Dont think Mayor Anthony Williams could act his
>way out of a paper bag though... Councilwoman Linda Cropp though....
>hmmmmmm



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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060124122833.01fbfd20 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:28:49 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Pyro License
In-Reply-To: <list-26974051 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-26972126 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26972877 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-26974051 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:15 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
>Geez, Jerry.  Making comments like that will end up with every CVS 
>and Walgreen's being closed for Homeland Security reasons.  :-D

'tis the price of "freedom".  :(


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Pyro License
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:34:39 -0500
Message-ID: <000201c62125$99842a40$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-26973299 [at] prxy.net>


> > Somewhere,
> > buried in an old 
> > chemistry textbook, I have instructions for preparing mercury 
> > fulminate.
> 
> And that noise you just heard was the collective sound of 
> alarm bells going off at the FBI, flagging the curious part 
> of the list membership for "suspicious" googling of mercury 
> fulminate...

...And everybody give a shout-out to the fine folks at the NSA....


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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:33:24 -0600
Subject: Evita
From: "clow.will" <clow.will [at] uwlax.edu>
Message-ID: <BFFBF944.1729%clow.will [at] uwlax.edu>

We are looking for any video/slide presentations from Evita.
If anyone has access from past productions please contact off list.

Thanks
Billy Clow


William T. Clow
Scenic & Lighting Designer
Department of Theatre Arts
University of Wisconsin-La Crosse
153 Center for the Arts
La Crosse, WI 54601
608.785.6706
clow.will [at] uwlax.edu



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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:37:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BFFC083B.9945%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-26973188 [at] prxy.net>

Chris=A0Rock's=A0"Quote=A0of=A0the=A0Year"

=A0"You=A0know=A0the=A0world=A0is=A0going=A0crazy=A0when=A0the=A0best=A0rapper=A0is=A0a=A0white
=A0guy,=A0the=A0best=A0golfer=A0is=A0a=A0black=A0guy,=A0the=A0tallest=A0guy=A0in=A0the=A0NBA=A0is
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=A0U.S.=A0of=A0arrogance,=A0Germany=A0doesn't=A0want=A0to=A0go=A0to=A0war,=A0and=A0the=A0three
=A0most=A0powerful=A0men=A0in=A0America=A0are=A0named=A0Bush,=A0Dick,=A0and=A0Colon.
=A0Need=A0I=A0say=A0more?

> From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:42:27 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant...
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Jason Cowperthwaite wrote:
>=20
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> ha!  Excellent plan!  Dont think Mayor Anthony Williams could act his
>> way out of a paper bag though... Councilwoman Linda Cropp though....
>> hmmmmmm
>=20
> Marion Barry certainly has the conciliatory act down pat, though.
> Very convincing to the residents apparently.
>=20
> Steve L.
>=20
> --=20
> Stephen C. Litterst
> Technical Supervisor
> Ithaca College
> Dept. of Theatre Arts
> 607/274-3947
> slitterst [at] ithaca.edu


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