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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27073951; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:00:08 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #670 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:58:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_UNSUB22 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #670 1. H.S. Curriculum Question by "Dana Taylor" 2. Re: Outdoor decking by Cosmo Catalano 3. Re: Tail Downs by "G. D. George" 4. Re: Tail Downs by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: Tail Downs by "Peter Scheu" 6. Re: Tail Downs by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: Tail Downs by "Peter Scheu" 8. Re: Tail Downs by "Paul Sanow" 9. Re: Tail Downs by "Peter Scheu" 10. Re: Tail Downs by Ford Sellers 11. Re: Tail Downs by "Jon Ares" 12. Re: Tail Downs by "Peter Scheu" 13. Re: Tail Downs by Ford Sellers 14. Re: H.S. Curriculum Question by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: Outdoor decking by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 16. Re: Tail Downs by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: Tail Downs by Jason Cowperthwaite 18. durable material as a show deck by "Mark ." 19. Re: Tail Downs by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Tail Downs by Stephen Litterst 21. Topiary Parts by "Sam Fisher" 22. Re: Topiary Parts by "Paul Schreiner" 23. Bat boy by b Ricie 24. Re: Tail Downs by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 25. Re: Topiary Parts by "Dre Suchoski" 26. LCD/rear projection by b Ricie 27. Re: Outdoor decking by 28. Re: Tail Downs by "Thomas Schraeder" 29. Re: VW PDF (was: question on design software) by Mick Alderson 30. Re: Outdoor decking by SS 31. Re: Tail Downs by Delbert Hall 32. Re: Tail Downs by "Daniel O'Donnell" 33. Re: Tail Downs by "Peter Scheu" 34. Job titles by Jim Hyslop 35. Re: VW PDF (was: question on design software) by "Bill Conner" 36. Re: Outdoor decking by CB 37. Little Shop: Fake Intestines by "Storms, Randy" 38. Re: Job titles by Alex At Work 39. Back light material by CB 40. Re: Rear Projection Question by CB 41. Re: Tail Downs by "G. D. George" 42. Re: Tail Downs by "Stephen E. Rees" 43. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by "G. D. George" 44. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by "Randy B." 45. Re: Rear Projection Question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 46. Re: Rear Projection Question by Stephen Litterst 47. Re: Job titles by Stephen Litterst 48. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by Pat Kight 49. Re: Tail Downs by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 50. Re: Outdoor decking by "Paul Schreiner" 51. Re: Job titles by "Joe Golden" 52. Re: Job titles by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 53. odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by "G. D. George" 54. Re: Job titles by "Dre Suchoski" 55. Re: Back light material by Kevin Lee Allen 56. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by MissWisc [at] aol.com 57. Re: Job titles by "Davis, Thomas J" 58. Re: Job titles by rwhitco [at] comcast.net 59. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by "LES LIND" 60. Re: Outdoor decking by Ken Romaine 61. Re: Job titles by MissWisc [at] aol.com 62. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by doran [at] bard.edu 63. Leahy by "Storms, Randy" 64. side lighting by 65. Re: side lighting by IAEG [at] aol.com 66. Re: Job titles by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 67. Re: side lighting by Stephen Litterst 68. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by "Randy B." 69. Re: Job titles by Jim Hyslop 70. Re: Job titles by "G. D. George" 71. Re: Job titles by Stephen Litterst 72. Re: Rear Projection Question by Greg Bierly 73. Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines by MissWisc [at] aol.com 74. Re: Job titles by Andrew Vance 75. Re: side lighting by Ford Sellers 76. Scenic Studios by Brian James 77. 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by Kyle Dugger 78. Re: Scenic Studios by David Carrico 79. Re: Scenic Studios by Stephen Litterst 80. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by Stephen Litterst 81. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by "Dirk Van Pernis" 82. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by Ford Sellers 83. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by Paul Puppo 84. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by "C. Andrew Dunning" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:26:43 -0600 From: "Dana Taylor" Subject: H.S. Curriculum Question Hello Folks: Thank you to all who responded to my questions regarding high school = classes that you either had taken or wished you had taken. Your responses helped me a great deal. Thanks, Dana Taylor Dana W. Taylor Mt. Vernon Sr. High School 812.838.4356 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:10:32 -0500 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Outdoor decking In-reply-to: Message-id: <11e6156758947a4d600d042f68df75d5 [at] williams.edu> References: There is material used for skate board ramps (I saw it on TV, so it must be true). It's also around $150/sheet. http://www.skatelite.com/home.html I have a Trex deck at home that does well in long hours of direct sunlight (it's the UV, not the rain that degrades these composite materials), but it sounded to me like you were looking for a sheet goods as opposed to planking solution. Cosmo ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:37:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, it's time for me to reveal my ignorance: what's a tail-down? Jerry G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Litterst Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:40 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Tail Downs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- How do folks around the list handle tail-downs in a proscenium space? We attach the taildown to the pipe with a "grid lock" clamp (from TheLightSource) and stabilize it with a cross-pipe held on with scaffold clamps. A coupler or C-clamp above the grid-lock keeps the taildown from slipping through, should something go wrong. Rigging the tail-down happens with the batten in, the tail down is attached with enough play for the pipe to swivel to plumb. The batten is weighted for the taildown and flown out until the taildown is vertical. The grid-lock and scaffold clamps are then tightened fully, and then the lights are hung on the tail down and counterweighted. The problem I'm trying to solve is that this is quite space and time intensive. I could make it take up less space but that increases the time. I could do it faster but that increases the budget. How do *you* rig a taildown? Steve l. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ADC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > OK, it's time for me to reveal my ignorance: what's a tail-down? It's a length of pipe (usually the same diameter as the batten it's hung from) hung vertically below a pipe end for (very) high side lighting. Sometimes they're used in place of trees when it is undesirable to have a big ol' boom base sitting on the floor, other times they're used to supplement available booms when the desired instrument height would require an inordinately tall boom. Since the length of the tail-down makes it impossible to fly a batten all the way to deck level if it were done with a rigid connector, there's usually some moderately complex rigging and hardware involved. It can be done simply with rotalocks (and a safety cable run through the top end of the tail pipe), but that makes light adjustment from the floor a PITA for the instruments hung on the rest of the batten because they're then usually too high to reach easily. Make sense? Or should I try again after the coffee's kicked in? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:14:56 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: G. D. George wrote: >OK, it's time for me to reveal my ignorance: what's a tail-down? and Stephen Litterst wrote: >How do folks around the list handle tail-downs in a proscenium space? > >We attach the taildown to the pipe with a "grid lock" clamp (from=20 >TheLightSource) and stabilize it with a cross-pipe held on with=20 >scaffold clamps. =20 As far as the definition of a "taildown", what Steve is doing is not = what I have known as a "taildown". The definition of a taildown, as we knew it = when writing the ETCP rigging certification exam, was the process of hanging = a second pipe batten below an existing pipe batten using aircraft cable = and/or chain. What Steve is describing seems to be adding a vertical pipe at the end = of a pipe batten to provide a high angle side lighting position. Steve - can = you confirm? If this is true, then a concern I would have about your methodology is = the "grid lock" connectors you are using are not intended to be used to hang = a vertical pipe, only to stabilize crossing horizontal pipes as you would = find in a pipe grid. But if you have added some sort of safety to prevent the pipe from slipping through the clamp (the "stabilizer" you describe?), = or provided a welded ring on the pipe that can be used as a point to tie = off a safety chain, I guess it would be OK. I'd be more comfortable with a Rotolock or some other device specifically designed to hang a vertical = pipe. And, I'd have to understand a bit more about what exactly you are doing. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ADD [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > As far as the definition of a "taildown", what Steve is doing=20 > is not what I have known as a "taildown". The definition of a=20 > taildown, as we knew it when writing the ETCP rigging=20 > certification exam, was the process of hanging a second pipe=20 > batten below an existing pipe batten using aircraft cable=20 > and/or chain. Interesting...I've never heard "taildown" used in this sense, and the possible etymology escapes me. What part of this arrangement you're describing resembles a tail, that it'd be named that? I'm very curious...and wondering if it's (perhaps) a regional colloquialism or something. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:33 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Oops - I meant Rota-lock not Rotolock. The latter is also know as a coffin lock. Damn! I always get that confused. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:06 -0500 Message-ID: <7562C26CF4819844BE52CB3B9086DBF20C81C0 [at] atlas.vlsoffice.com> From: "Paul Sanow" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > As far as the definition of a "taildown", what Steve is doing=20 > is not what I have known as a "taildown". The definition of a=20 > taildown, as we knew it when writing the ETCP rigging=20 > certification exam, was the process of hanging a second pipe=20 > batten below an existing pipe batten using aircraft cable=20 > and/or chain. Not wishing to step into a fight over definitions, City Theatrical (http://www.citytheatrical.com/) makes a Tail Down product. Look under Lighting Accessories > Safer Siderams (tm) in the LH navigation bar. This looks more like what Steve is talking about. The resolution is pretty bad in the picture, but you get the idea. Could this be the Rigger's idea of a tail down vs. the electrician's idea? Just a thought. =20 Paul ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:40:31 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Paul Schreiner wrote: >I'm very curious...and wondering if it's >(perhaps) a regional colloquialism or something. Could be, but all the ETCP theatre rigging SME's called what I described a taildown. They were from California, Arizona, Philly, etc., all over the country, so I don't think it's anything regional. Paul Sanow wrote: >Could this be the Rigger's idea of a tail down vs. the electrician's idea? Just a thought. Quite possible. We kept sparkies out of our gatherings ;-) I'm sure they'll keep us out of theirs. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060127093628.033797b0 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:51 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-Reply-To: References: Oh, In that case, we usually use a rigid Cheeseburger Tight to the batten-Loose on the TailDown, then fly the batten,and make Mr Taildown Level, then Make a diagonal brace with two Swivley Cheeseburgers which we attach from a lift if it the length of the batten is too long to reach from a ladder. Probly wernt gunna save yens knoe tahhem. (read phonetically) -Ford At 09:06 AM 1/27/2006, you wrote: >It's a length of pipe (usually the same diameter as the batten it's hung >from) hung vertically below a pipe end for (very) high side lighting. >Sometimes they're used in place of trees when it is undesirable to have >a big ol' boom base sitting on the floor, other times they're used to >supplement available booms when the desired instrument height would >require an inordinately tall boom. ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c62350$30b916b0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:44:34 -0800 > The definition of a taildown, as we knew it when > writing the ETCP rigging certification exam, Pay attention, kids. I told you they are hiding the answers to the exam in these Stagecraft posts! - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:47:40 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Jon Ares wrote: >Pay attention, kids. I told you they are hiding the answers >to the exam in >these Stagecraft posts! Damn! Now they're gonna want the secret decoder ring back! Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060127095309.0336ade8 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:54:24 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-Reply-To: References:

Did I mention we tighten everything up before we let it off the floor? I should have.....I need more coffee!!!!!!!! GIMME COFFEE!!!! >Oh, > In that case, we usually use a rigid Cheeseburger Tight to the > batten-Loose on the TailDown, then fly the batten,and make Mr Taildown > Level, then Make a diagonal brace with two Swivley Cheeseburgers which > we attach from a lift if it the length of the batten is too long to reach > from a ladder. ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:59:31 GMT Subject: Re: H.S. Curriculum Question Message-Id: <20060127.070004.17584.39626 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Can you give us an abbreviated consensus of the data that we provided? /s/ Richard _______________________ Hello Folks: Thank you to all who responded to my questions regarding high school cla= sses that you either had taken or wished you had taken. Dana Taylor ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Outdoor decking Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:08:32 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I worked on a build out a Sea World where the deck was exterior ply treated with some type of truck bed liner. Apparently it's waterproof and animal safe. Probably cost an arm and a leg. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax I'd look into some of the rubbery surfaces that they use around swimming pools. You could see if they will spring for Marley. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:23:59 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA3B0F.6030406 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Peter Scheu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > What Steve is describing seems to be adding a vertical pipe at the end of a > pipe batten to provide a high angle side lighting position. Steve - can you > confirm? Bingo. > If this is true, then a concern I would have about your methodology is the > "grid lock" connectors you are using are not intended to be used to hang a > vertical pipe, only to stabilize crossing horizontal pipes as you would find > in a pipe grid. Hmmm. I'll have to look into the product more. I use them because they have a stated rating (unlike swivel cheseboros). Time to do some research. But if you have added some sort of safety to prevent the > pipe from slipping through the clamp (the "stabilizer" you describe?), We put a coupler on the end of the pipe to keep it from slipping through the grid-lock clamp, and use rated bolts in the clamp itself. > I'd be more comfortable with a > Rotolock or some other device specifically designed to hang a vertical pipe. > And, I'd have to understand a bit more about what exactly you are doing. We're creating a vertical position at the end of our electrics. It's a crowded scenery show and the positions need to fly to allow scenery through during shifts. Every time we do this rig, the TD and LD ask if there's a better way. Short of building/renting ladders and flying them with chain motors, I thought I'd ask the list for a sampling of other ways. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da960601270750l5754d2fbudb04d4925f410d14 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:50:10 -0500 From: Jason Cowperthwaite Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-Reply-To: References:

Instead of flying ladders w/ chain motors, why dont you just build them out of 1" box steel and add a lighting C-clamp so they can just hang on the end of your batten. Seen this done very effectively out at the Shakespeare Theatre in DC... Sean McCarthy is the ME, and is on this list...maybe he could expand on these a little more? Jason Cowperthwaite On 1/27/06, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Peter Scheu wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > What Steve is describing seems to be adding a vertical pipe at the end = of a > > pipe batten to provide a high angle side lighting position. Steve - can= you > > confirm? > > Bingo. > > > If this is true, then a concern I would have about your methodology is= the > > "grid lock" connectors you are using are not intended to be used to han= g a > > vertical pipe, only to stabilize crossing horizontal pipes as you would= find > > in a pipe grid. > > Hmmm. I'll have to look into the product more. I use them because > they have a stated rating (unlike swivel cheseboros). Time to do some > research. > > But if you have added some sort of safety to prevent the > > pipe from slipping through the clamp (the "stabilizer" you describe?), > > We put a coupler on the end of the pipe to keep it from slipping > through the grid-lock clamp, and use rated bolts in the clamp itself. > > > I'd be more comfortable with a > > Rotolock or some other device specifically designed to hang a vertical = pipe. > > And, I'd have to understand a bit more about what exactly you are doing= . > > We're creating a vertical position at the end of our electrics. It's > a crowded scenery show and the positions need to fly to allow scenery > through during shifts. > > Every time we do this rig, the TD and LD ask if there's a better way. > Short of building/renting ladders and flying them with chain motors, > I thought I'd ask the list for a sampling of other ways. > > Steve L. > > > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College > Dept. of Theatre Arts > 607/274-3947 > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Mark ." Subject: durable material as a show deck Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:50:44 -0500 Here's the problem: finding a durable material as a show deck. We've used exterior ply in sheets and in strips - it wants to delaminate, buckle under the temperature changes, and gets slippery quick. And of course I need to put scenery on it and paint it. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance... gary levinson Gary, If you have a local farm building suply store, the best source is to ask after 4X8 sheets of plastic-ply. it comes in standard 3/4" sheets and is used by farmers for pig barns etc where moisture is a factor. One not for you however.....this stuff is HEAVY. Otherwise it works like wood. Mark. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:50:49 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA4159.3040103 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Sanow wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Not wishing to step into a fight over definitions, City Theatrical > (http://www.citytheatrical.com/) makes a Tail Down product. Look under > Lighting Accessories > Safer Siderams (tm) in the LH navigation bar. > This looks more like what Steve is talking about. The resolution is > pretty bad in the picture, but you get the idea. I've seen this product, but it only comes with a 6' pipe. You can thread additional pipe on the ends, but then you're trusting the pipe threads to hold the load, and I have no idea what their rating is. I've made some calls to confirm if the gridlock clamp is or isn't rated for vertical use. Several websites and catalogs list it with a WLL of 1800 lbs, but don't specify vertical or horizontal. I'll report back to the list when I learn more. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:53:59 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA4217.4070806 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Jason Cowperthwaite wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Instead of flying ladders w/ chain motors, why dont you just build > them out of 1" box steel and add a lighting C-clamp so they can just > hang on the end of your batten. Seen this done very effectively out > at the Shakespeare Theatre in DC... Sean McCarthy is the ME, and is on > this list...maybe he could expand on these a little more? Been there, done that. I have a stock of ladders, and use them when I can. One suggestion I'd make is not to use a lighting C-clamp. Those are engineered for one light, not a whole ladder of them. Our ladders use the Doughty half-couplers for a better rating. However, in many situations, the ladders don't quite cut it. The current plot has a 12' distance from the electric to the first unit and 20' from the electric to the bottom unit. That's a heck of an extension to build (x4) for this show. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: Topiary Parts Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c6235b$182c2460$180aa8c0 [at] ftoffice.local> In-Reply-To: Has anyone come across a good source for silk topiary parts? I'm looking for a large quantity of boxwood leaves or boxwood leaves on little branches. Sam Fisher General Manager / VP Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-487-0100 office 410-487-0090 fax ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Topiary Parts Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9ADF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Has anyone come across a good source for silk topiary parts? =20 > I'm looking for a large quantity of boxwood leaves or boxwood=20 > leaves on little branches. Dunno if they have this particular item, but you might give a call to Decoplant (http://www.decoplant.com/). I worked with them a few years ago on something or other, and I seem to recall them being one of the exceptions to the Production Triangle... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060127160953.10943.qmail [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Bat boy In-Reply-To: >>We have the skin and feathers from real geese, were hoping to use dog training ducks for the body. Any suggestions My second concern is a torch that needs to be thrown as if starting a fire. fake torches look, well, fake and the would probably break.<< Have the ducks train the dogs to take the torch off stage...:>) Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <23077963.1138378355006.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:12:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: Tail Downs I'm with Steve - I've always thought of a taildown as a vertical pipe hanging from a batten (or catwalk, grid, etc.) I learned this terminology working in Philadelphia, if that matters. I don't think I've worked anywhere where it hasn't been called a taildown. As for the other arrangement, I'd be inclined to call that a double batten or something like that. So there's my (wood-butcher's) two cents' worth. "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center, Dallas, Texas, USA, Earth -----Original Message----- >As far as the definition of a "taildown", what Steve is doing is not what I >have known as a "taildown". The definition of a taildown, as we knew it when >writing the ETCP rigging certification exam, was the process of hanging a >second pipe batten below an existing pipe batten using aircraft cable and/or >chain. > >What Steve is describing seems to be adding a vertical pipe at the end of a >pipe batten to provide a high angle side lighting position. Steve - can you >confirm? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Topiary Parts Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:17:12 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BEB1C [at] stage.OTC.local> From: "Dre Suchoski" We had to order a lot of boxwood for moving topiary in Secret Garden several years ago. They were cloth-like and a pretty good size to work with. The company's name is Floral World, and they have a local showroom. Call Helene Karp, 301.924.1666. If that falls through we ordered a lot of oak leaf branches from Autograph Foliages (they're in Ohio), 1.800.659.6151. They carry smaller plastic boxwood picks. Dre Suchoski, Properties Supervisor/Arisan Olney Theatre Center -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Sam Fisher Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:03 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Topiary Parts For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Has anyone come across a good source for silk topiary parts? I'm looking for a large quantity of boxwood leaves or boxwood leaves on little branches. Sam Fisher General Manager / VP Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-487-0100 office 410-487-0090 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060127162028.56482.qmail [at] web50615.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:20:28 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: LCD/rear projection In-Reply-To: As I was chatting with a friend I mentioned I needed(wish I had) an LCD Cyc. Then we got to thinking how "Cool" it would be to have an entire theatre outfitted with something like LCD soft goods. Just think, upload you renderings and instant painted back drop with out the use of paint. You want 50% fullness on black legs, just program it in. Squints could program them to chase in pretty colors, or program nifty "gobos". Gosh, think of the possibilities... Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c6235f$1b99b000$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re: Outdoor decking Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:30:15 -0600 Organization: Minnesota Ballet Nope! Marley dance floors turn into Slip-N-Slides when it rains. I did an outdoor show where it started to rain and I told the director that the show must stop for safety. They didn't until people started to fall everywhere. Plus vinyl dance floors outdoor in direct sunlight practically turn into liquid rubber. In the morning the stage is nice and flat, by noon you've got bubbles everywhere. Ken MN Ballet ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Thomas Schraeder" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:44:17 -0500 The house IA crew at the Wharton Center at Michigan State calls vertical pipes suspended from pipe battens "tail downs" - does them pretty much the same, and hates them just as much too. Since we're in an industry that pretty much makes up its own terminology for the hardware we borrow from other industries, it shouldn't be surprising that we call one item by a variety of names and use one name for a variety of items. Parallel evolution. Tom Schraeder Lighting Design Wayne State University Theatre 4841 Cass Ave., Suite 3225 Detroit, MI 48202 313-577-7908 - office 313-577-0935 - fax >From: Stephen Litterst >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Tail Downs >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:40:25 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >How do folks around the list handle tail-downs in a proscenium space? > >We attach the taildown to the pipe with a "grid lock" clamp (from >TheLightSource) and stabilize it with a cross-pipe held on with scaffold >clamps. A coupler or C-clamp above the grid-lock keeps the taildown from >slipping through, should something go wrong. Rigging the tail-down happens >with the batten in, the tail down is attached with enough play for the pipe >to swivel to plumb. The batten is weighted for the taildown and flown out >until the taildown is vertical. The grid-lock and scaffold clamps are then >tightened fully, and then the lights are hung on the tail down and >counterweighted. > >The problem I'm trying to solve is that this is quite space and time >intensive. I could make it take up less space but that increases the time. > I could do it faster but that increases the budget. > >How do *you* rig a taildown? > >Steve l. >-- >Stephen C. Litterst >Technical Supervisor >Ithaca College >Dept. of Theatre Arts >607/274-3947 >slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:47:36 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: VW PDF (was: question on design software) Message-id: <4999B270-78AD-4A19-AB5C-FA23685DC256 [at] uwosh.edu> > Eric Rouse wrote: > > I have been using PDF995 for about 2 years now with no complaints. I > have done large PDF's from Acad and VW. It's a freebie(pc). You just > have to live with the web site popping up every time you click > save.=20 > No big deal. > -- > I second the endorsement for PDF995. I also use it with Vectorworks. And if you pay for the $10 "PDF Edit" add-on then the ads go away, and you can add more stuff to an existing PDF document. This is great when you want to combine files of different types into one document for distribution, AND when you want to make a ridiculously large download out of a bunch of small ones! ;-) Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601270850x6e8e1dd5r2d717ec74eff238f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:50:35 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Outdoor decking In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>Marley dance floors turn into Slip-N-Slides when it rains. I did an outdoor show where it started to rain and I told the director that the show must stop for safety. They didn't until people started to fall everywhere. Plus vinyl dance floors outdoor in direct sunlight practically turn into liquid rubber. In the morning the stage is nice and flat, by noon you've go= t bubbles everywhere.<<<< I second this motion. Been there, done that, got the swag to prove it!! Having worked one too many outdoor venues, in which dance is one of the primary acts, I can easily say that having to relay a Marley 2-3 times in 100 degree heat is no picnic. Especially when/if the corners actually start getting soft and melty {that's a technical term I swear :)- } And as humourous as it may be to see folks falling down (because it is, that's why America's Funniest Home Videos was popular!), when dancers start twisting ankles and what not, it ain't pretty...for everyone. Safety first kids!! -SS TTS-EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:55:25 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-Reply-To: References:

> As far as the definition of a "taildown", what Steve is doing is not what= I > have known as a "taildown". The definition of a taildown, as we knew it w= hen > writing the ETCP rigging certification exam, was the process of hanging a > second pipe batten below an existing pipe batten using aircraft cable and= /or > chain. > I agree with Steve's defination of a "taildown." What Peter described is what I have always heard called a "trapeeze" (for obvious reason - at least obvious to me). -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <17A4A4D2-E937-4C28-8846-9D9C1F8B764E [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:02:24 -0500 "tailing down" is a verb, which is the hanging of one pipe under another, a "tail down" is a noun, which is the vertical pipe hung off the end of the electrics to give you more lights or higher lights. At least that's how we call 'em here. On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Fred Schoening, Jr. wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm with Steve - I've always thought of a taildown as a vertical pipe > hanging from a batten (or catwalk, grid, etc.) I learned this > terminology > working in Philadelphia, if that matters. I don't think I've worked > anywhere > where it hasn't been called a taildown. > > As for the other arrangement, I'd be inclined to call that a double > batten or > something like that. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:15:54 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Delbert Hall wrote: >I agree with Steve's defination of a "taildown." What Peter >described is what I have always heard called a "trapeeze" (for=20 >obvious reason - at least obvious to me). I've heard it called a trapeze as well, and a similar term is used in = the construction industry. But I've also seen/head described cable or chain "taildowns" to things other than pipes or trusses, such as flats and = ceiling pieces. Now these can also be called plain ol' hanging cables or chains. Heard of that, too. Could be the process/verb of "tail downing" gets bastardized into the = noun "taildown" by riggers. As in "I rigged up a taildown..." So I guess it's a good thing that riggers rig and ...um... "lighters" = light. Just don't ask one to do the other. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA59C0.9080307 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:34:56 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Job titles OK, so far I've learned skweek -> sound squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX wood-butcher -> carpenter What other titles do we have? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <019801c62368$66f1ee60$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: VW PDF (was: question on design software) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:37:53 -0600 I use the Professional version of Acrobat which allows a lot of mark-up and inquiry of drawings plotted from AutoCAD including dimensioning and layer control. I don't know if the third party versions offer that or if it is supported by Vector Works. Increasingly, I have migrated to the .dwf format (drawing web format) for which there is a free viewer and which allows a lot of control and inquiry. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060127104219.00cf2128 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:42:19 From: CB Subject: Re: Outdoor decking >Or maybe you can use the planks and get Frank to fill in the cracks? How big is the stage? Even if you were very careful, and used him sparingly, and cut him generously with vinyl spackle, he'd only cover the cracks in about a hunnert sq ft area... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Little Shop: Fake Intestines Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:43:21 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C138 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Anyone have an idea for making a gloppy pile of intestines to feed the = plant? I've seen commercial horror props but they appear to be rigid = foam or plastic, I want something that *behaves* like guts... -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA5C76.6050005 [at] ku.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:46:30 -0600 From: Alex At Work Subject: Re: Job titles References: In-Reply-To: My personal favorite given to me by an undergrad actor: Electrocutioner Yeah, I can do that... Alex Weston > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060127104842.00cf2128 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:42 From: CB Subject: Back light material once scored an actual light-box poster from the theatre for a friend of mine. It seemed to have been manufactured out of some sort of plastic, and the plastic was colored all the way through, not printed on both sides. My sense at the time, and my memory notwithstanding. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060127105450.00cf2128 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:54:50 From: CB Subject: Re: Rear Projection Question >Although if it gave me >dominion over those powered speakers with the blinky lights ruining my >blackouts I might consider it. Kwitcherbithin. I can't tell you how many times we've walked onto the stage and asked, "What the heck is that noise?" only to be told that it was the fans on all the movers or the scrollers working back and forth. "How would you guys react if speakers made light as well as sound?" Not well it seems, not well. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Tail Downs Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:57:58 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Thanks. Gotcha, I think. A ladder without the "rungs" J -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:06 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Tail Downs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > OK, it's time for me to reveal my ignorance: what's a tail-down? It's a length of pipe (usually the same diameter as the batten it's hung from) hung vertically below a pipe end for (very) high side lighting. Sometimes they're used in place of trees when it is undesirable to have a big ol' boom base sitting on the floor, other times they're used to supplement available booms when the desired instrument height would require an inordinately tall boom. Since the length of the tail-down makes it impossible to fly a batten all the way to deck level if it were done with a rigid connector, there's usually some moderately complex rigging and hardware involved. It can be done simply with rotalocks (and a safety cable run through the top end of the tail pipe), but that makes light adjustment from the floor a PITA for the instruments hung on the rest of the batten because they're then usually too high to reach easily. Make sense? Or should I try again after the coffee's kicked in? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA5FEE.2090202 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:01:18 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Tail Downs References: I've been referring to what Peter is defining as as tail down as a "trapeze" for many years. We do this often when both legs and border have to be on same pipe but the border has to trim higher than the legs will allow. Steve Rees ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Little Shop: Fake Intestines Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:04:11 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Havn't tried it, but have you thought about synthetic sausage casings stuffed with... I dunno, sawdust maybe? G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Storms, Randy Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:43 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Little Shop: Fake Intestines For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Anyone have an idea for making a gloppy pile of intestines to feed the plant? I've seen commercial horror props but they appear to be rigid foam or plastic, I want something that *behaves* like guts... -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006a01c6236b$d48d2310$e3504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:02:24 -0600 Visit your local butcher shop for sausage casing, fill with oat meal, coat with a little bit of fake blood.. Keep refrigerated. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storms, Randy" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Little Shop: Fake Intestines > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Anyone have an idea for making a gloppy pile of intestines to feed the plant? I've seen commercial horror props but they appear to be rigid foam or plastic, I want something that *behaves* like guts... > > -- r. > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rear Projection Question Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:05:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c6236c$5417bdc0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Believe it or not, Chris, some of use go to great lengths to keep device noise down to a minimum. One theater I worked in recently had me greatly concerned about fan = noise; it's got a semicircular stage with very hard walls...a perfect = acoustical reflector, if you want to bounce every little sound right into the = audience. I made sure that anything that could possibly add noise to the = environment was baffled to the best of my ability. ...Then we fired up the house dimmer rack for the first time.... > Kwitcherbithin. I can't tell you how many times we've walked=20 > onto the stage and asked, "What the heck is that noise?" only=20 > to be told that it was the fans on all the movers or the=20 > scrollers working back and forth. "How would you guys react=20 > if speakers made light as well as sound?" Not well it seems,=20 > not well. ; > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:19:20 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Rear Projection Question In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA6428.3060100 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Kwitcherbithin. I can't tell you how many times we've walked onto the > stage and asked, "What the heck is that noise?" only to be told that it was > the fans on all the movers or the scrollers working back and forth. "How > would you guys react if speakers made light as well as sound?" Not well it > seems, not well. ; > That was an intentional lob. I knew you'd bite, but was curious who else would chime in. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:20:34 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Job titles In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA6472.40609 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Jim Hyslop wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > OK, so far I've learned > > skweek -> sound > squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX > wood-butcher -> carpenter Don't forget about "splints" for the carpenters. And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA64DB.2060405 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:22:19 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines References: In-Reply-To: Storms, Randy wrote: > Anyone have an idea for making a gloppy pile of intestines to feed the plant? I've seen commercial horror props but they appear to be rigid foam or plastic, I want something that *behaves* like guts... I've made "link sausage" before by stuffing nylon stockings with fiberfill and then adding some surface painting. Very convincing. I suspect lovely intestines could be made in the same fashion, with a little less stuffing and a good coating of glitter to pick up the light and make them look slimey... -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <27d.4c33bc2.310bbf04 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:23:00 EST Subject: Re: Tail Downs In a message dated 27/01/06 15:51:16 GMT Standard Time, jasonclights [at] gmail.com writes: > Instead of flying ladders w/ chain motors, why dont you just build > them out of 1" box steel and add a lighting C-clamp so they can just > hang on the end of your batten. Seen this done very effectively out > at the Shakespeare Theatre in DC... Sean McCarthy is the ME, and is on > this list...maybe he could expand on these a little more? It's asking a lot of a C-clamp. Remember that it will be supporting three or so luminaires, plus the weight of the structure. Check the rating carefully. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Outdoor decking Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:25:55 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AE1 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > >Or maybe you can use the planks and get Frank to fill in the cracks? >=20 > How big is the stage? Even if you were very careful, and=20 > used him sparingly, and cut him generously with vinyl=20 > spackle, he'd only cover the cracks in about a hunnert sq ft area... Pardon me whilst I clean lunch spew off my monitor and keyboard... Though this begs the question on what Frank's curing time is, and what grit sandpaper is best to smooth him down. ------------------------------ From: "Joe Golden" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:27:07 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Super Genius as we have the ability to do anything with almost nothing. > --------------------------------------------------- OK, so far I've learned skweek -> sound squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX wood-butcher -> carpenter What other titles do we have? -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c6236f$797b3ee0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. A dance company with which I worked referred to me as a "Photon Choreographer". ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:39:53 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: OK, the cheeseburger post reminded me of this. When I was in undergraduate school, I had a peer -who shall remain nameless- who couldn't remember the word pariaktoi. One day there was a conversation and she came out with pterodactyl and pterodactyls they've been ever since. And then there's the mispronunciation of the word Fresnel that periodically comes up from the durnedest people... Any takers for other ones? G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:29 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Job titles For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. A dance company with which I worked referred to me as a "Photon Choreographer". ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:41:03 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BEB4F [at] stage.OTC.local> From: "Dre Suchoski" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Let's not forget the Prop Tarts! Dre Suchoski, Properties Supervisor/Artisan Olney Theatre Center=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:29 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Job titles For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- =20 > And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. A dance company with which I worked referred to me as a "Photon Choreographer". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:46:40 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Back light material In-reply-to: Message-id: <309C26FC-7333-461C-B60E-92F847C97B14 [at] klad.com> References: There is a photographic product called a duratran that is intended =20 for backlighting. Typically the image is difficult to see without =20 backlighting as the print is over saturated. The back side of the =20 duratran image is a white diffusion and the reverse image on appears =20 as a shadow of itself. More recently the photographic process (like so many other =20 photographic processes) has been all but replaced by direct from =20 digital prinitng to a backlight-able material or vinyl. These digital =20= images are usually called duratrans, like tissues are called Kleenex. Again, the back of the digital image is diffusion and the printing is =20= saturated. Like many digital processes, the photographic is still =20 better, but much more expensive and requires several steps. For any =20 purpose where there is a little bit of aesthetic distance, the =20 digital images are generally fine Everyday we see these images on bus stops, in movie theatres and =20 train stations. In film, large duratrans (or translights) are used as =20= backdrops, most everyone o the list sees duratrans on the evening =20 news or your news channel of preference. CeeLite, eLite and other make electroluminescent film that can =20 illuminate duratran images. A florescent or incandescent lightbox can =20= also do the trick, but will be thicker., there needs to be some =20 distance between the lights and the duratran, I usually make a light =20 box 12'18" thick. Thinner costs more. Prismex makes a stock lightbox that is not as think as the =20 electroluminescent material and not as think as a lightbox. Thinner =20 still costs more. On Jan 27, 2006, at 5:48 AM, CB wrote: > once scored an actual light-box poster from the theatre for a =20 > friend of > mine. It seemed to have been manufactured out of some sort of =20 > plastic, and > the plastic was colored all the way through, not printed on both =20 > sides. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <191.4fb59d63.310bcc4b [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:39 EST Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines << I want something that *behaves* like guts.. >> Condoms... fill with substance of your choice. Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BD5FE75 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com In recent years, some of my students have referred to the stage crew as=20 "en and Women in Black" and "Ninjas." During a production of Dracula, the crew manipulating the disappearing coffins, ground fog and other effects from underneath the platforming were "trolls" and "ghouls." -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg =20 > And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. A dance company with which I worked referred to me as a "Photon Choreographer". ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net Subject: Re: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:22:06 +0000 Message-Id: <012720061922.19890.43DA72DE00022CC200004DB22200760180010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> I refer to groups based on what they leave behind on my stage. Concert Band - spitters Orchestra - rosin droppers Dancers - glitter (w)itches Randy Whitcomb Manager/TD Price Civic Auditorium Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:42 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines I better sign off for the weekend before I get involved with this one. Ya'll have a good weekend and have fun with the condoms... Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> MissWisc [at] aol.com 1/27/06 2:19 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- << I want something that *behaves* like guts.. >> Condoms... fill with substance of your choice. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:30:29 -0500 From: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: Outdoor decking In-Reply-To: References: > > >Or maybe you can use the planks and get Frank to fill in the cracks? > > > > How big is the stage? Even if you were very careful, and > > used him sparingly, and cut him generously with vinyl > > spackle, he'd only cover the cracks in about a hunnert sq ft area... > > Pardon me whilst I clean lunch spew off my monitor and keyboard... > > Though this begs the question on what Frank's curing time is, 6-8 hours, depending on temperature and humidity > and what grit sandpaper is best to smooth him down. 150 - 180 grit should be fine for finishing before painting, unless you need a glossy finish, in which case you go to 240 at least. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them of the rest of the world. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <252.561906b.310bd329 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:48:57 EST Subject: Re: Job titles rwhitco [at] comcast.net writes: << Dancers - glitter (w)itches >> = "Movable reflective surfaces" I get the most interseting facial expressions when I tell people I work as a dresser. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1138392336.43da7d105241e [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:05:36 -0500 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) References: In-Reply-To: Yes We used to have a special name for "Stage Screws". We called them Elizabeth Taylors. I often wonder what you would call "Improved Stage Screws". ;-) Andy C-D Quoting "G. D. George" : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, the cheeseburger post reminded me of this. When I was in undergraduate > school, I had a peer -who shall remain nameless- who couldn't remember the > word pariaktoi. One day there was a conversation and she came out with > pterodactyl and pterodactyls they've been ever since. > > And then there's the mispronunciation of the word Fresnel that periodically > comes up from the durnedest people... > > Any takers for other ones? > > G. D. George > Assistant Professor and Technical Director > Capital University Theatre > Department of Communications > 1 College and Main > Columbus, OH 43209 > > (614) 236-6498 > ggeorge [at] capital.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. > Salzberg > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:29 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Job titles > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > And Photon Manipulators for the LDs. > > A dance company with which I worked referred to me as a "Photon > Choreographer". > > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Leahy Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:22:14 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C13A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I had the pleasure of working the Leahy show last night - an 8-member = family band from Ontario that plays Cape Breton fiddle music. It was = the very first stop on their U.S. tour, but they were real pros - well = organized and easy to work with. Anyway, it's a fun gig if they happen = to be coming your way - a very high energy performance, and a crowd = pleaser. Cheers, -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20158587.1138393419052.JavaMail.root [at] fepweb06> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:23:39 -0800 From: Subject: side lighting While we're on the subject of taildowns, I've got a related question: how do you hang lighting instruments on vertical pipe? In the past I've always attached the c-clamp directly to the boom, but I feel that it puts an awful strain on the instrument's yoke and also makes focusing a big hassle. Recently I thought maybe it would behoove us to procure several small lengths of pipe (maybe 3' each) and attach them to the booms/taildowns with rota-locks to create a horizontal place to hang the instrument. Any thoughts? Chris Nimm UW - Eau Claire ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.467aa692.310bdc0b [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:26:51 EST Subject: Re: side lighting In a message dated 1/27/06 3:24:22 PM, nimmck [at] charter.net writes: << While we're on the subject of taildowns, I've got a related question: how do you hang lighting instruments on vertical pipe? In the past I've always attached the c-clamp directly to the boom, but I feel that it puts an awful strain on the instrument's yoke and also makes focusing a big hassle. Recently I thought maybe it would behoove us to procure several small lengths of pipe (maybe 3' each) and attach them to the booms/taildowns with rota-locks to create a horizontal place to hang the instrument. Any thoughts? Chris Nimm UW - Eau Claire >> chris, , , let me introduce you to Mr Side Arm, , , Mr. Side Arm let me introduce you to Chris Nimm Chris ya need Side Arms, , single and double knuckle, both, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com www.circusnexus.org ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <274.4c01def.310bde22 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:35:46 EST Subject: Re: Job titles or fitwe if you're having a bad day > squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College phone 845-758-7956 fax 845-758-7925 email drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:39:49 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: side lighting In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA8515.7080908 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: nimmck [at] charter.net wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > While we're on the subject of taildowns, I've got a related question: how do you hang lighting instruments on vertical pipe? In the past I've always attached the c-clamp directly to the boom, but I feel that it puts an awful strain on the instrument's yoke and also makes focusing a big hassle. Recently I thought maybe it would behoove us to procure several small lengths of pipe (maybe 3' each) and attach them to the booms/taildowns with rota-locks to create a horizontal place to hang the instrument. Any thoughts? You can certainly hang the fixture directly on the pipe, but that makes focus more difficult. Purchasing or making a healthy stock of sidearms makes it much easier. City Theatrical has some fancy sidearms if you can afford them. Here's my recipe: Take one C-clamp. Remove the shiny barrel that attaches to the yoke. Insert a 12-24" piece of 1/2" pipe into the hole. Weld a small bead on the end of the pipe where it sticks into the C-clamp. Make the bead large enough that the pipe cannot fall out of the C-clamp. (Or, you can drill a hole in the pipe and stick a bolt through to keep the pipe from falling out of the clamp. Slide a Tee or two onto the pipe. Voila, a sidearm! Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <011601c62381$d53e48a0$e3504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:39:55 -0600 Sounds like you done this before :) I would think you would want some thing a bit longer, intestines are usually 5 or 6 feet long. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > << I want something that *behaves* like guts.. >> > > Condoms... fill with substance of your choice. > > Kristi > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA874A.7070900 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:49:14 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Job titles References: In-Reply-To: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > or fitwe if you're having a bad day What's the etymology of that? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:56 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: F*&(ing In The Way Electrician... G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:49 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Job titles For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > or fitwe if you're having a bad day What's the etymology of that? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:57:40 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Job titles In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA8944.20904 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Jim Hyslop wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >>or fitwe if you're having a bad day > > What's the etymology of that? It's taken me some time, but I just realized... Fracking In The Way Electricians. But don't get me started playing *that* game. :) -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Rear Projection Question Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:57:04 -0500 > I have a small 1200 lumen projector sitting right here > and I was originally wandered if it had the strength to do rear > projection. Rear projection does not necessarily use more (or less) light than front projection. It all depends on the screen surface. Usually a front surface can reflect more light back at an audience than a rear screen can transmit. There are many other factors previously discussed. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:00:10 EST Subject: Re: Little Shop: Fake Intestines _rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com_ (mailto:rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com) writes: << Sounds like you done this before :) I would think you would want some thing a bit longer, intestines are usually 5 or 6 feet long. >> The real ones like they use for making real hotdogs and sausages are 30+ feet long. I didn't personally do it... a friend of mine was doing props for a college production and walked into the local drug store with a college purchase order for a gross of condoms. The counter worker about had a heart attack! They filled them with paint or perhaps karo syrup and food color... I don't remember which they decided to go with. It was for a show that needed a dead body onstage and another charactor "stabbed" the corpse. They wanted "guts" to shoot out, and they did! Kristi ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Job titles Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:00:55 -0600 On 27 Jan, 2006, at 14:49 , Jim Hyslop wrote: >> or fitwe if you're having a bad day > What's the etymology of that? F# [at] &ing in the way electrician, if I remember correctly. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060127152917.0355ed60 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:01:17 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: side lighting In-Reply-To: References: Yeah, or use Sidearms. I sometimes prefer the Roa-lock/Cheesebourough run US/DS if the LD wants to hang 2 lights adjacent. -Ford At 03:23 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >...Recently I thought maybe it would behoove us to procure several small >lengths of pipe (maybe 3' each) and attach them to the booms/taildowns >with rota-locks to create a horizontal place to hang the instrument. Any >thoughts? > >Chris Nimm >UW - Eau Claire ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA8AA6.2070004 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:03:34 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Scenic Studios Is anybody familiar with any scenic studios that can assist with the design, building and installation of set pieces for corporate style event? Ideally they would be some where near or in Virginia. I am doing some background research for a future large scale project. Any replies, on or off list, would be very appreciated! -- Brian James ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DA8CD1.6030606 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:12:49 -0600 From: Kyle Dugger Subject: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par What your opinions comparing a 1000kw par and an ETC 575w instrument. I have been asked by someone who is looking to buy a lighting rig that will be ued for rock n roll to corporate type events. What would be their best bank for the buck. Power consumpstion is a pretty big issue as is the quality of the instruments. Any suggestions? kyle dugger ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0601271315p6461ee97k826c6f7e41826db2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:15:01 -0500 From: David Carrico Subject: Re: Scenic Studios In-Reply-To: References: Try SceCon in Portsmouth, http://www.scecon.com/contact.asp I worked part-time for these guys 10 years ago. Nice bunch of people, did good work. DC > Is anybody familiar with any scenic studios that can assist with the > design, building and installation of set pieces for corporate style event= ? > > Ideally they would be some where near or in Virginia. > -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:15:46 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Scenic Studios In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA8D82.8010308 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Brian James wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Is anybody familiar with any scenic studios that can assist with the > design, building and installation of set pieces for corporate style event? > > Ideally they would be some where near or in Virginia. I believe the Virginia Opera scene shop does that in the off season. Located in Hampton Roads. TheatreVirginia in Richmond did that when I lived there, but I heard rumours that they closed down. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:20:01 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par In-reply-to: Message-id: <43DA8E81.2020200 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Kyle Dugger wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > What your opinions comparing a 1000kw par and an ETC 575w instrument. I > have been asked by someone who is looking to buy a lighting rig that > will be ued for rock n roll to corporate type events. What would be > their best bank for the buck. Power consumpstion is a pretty big issue > as is the quality of the instruments. Conventional PARcan lamps are more robust (in my experience) than the HPL, which could make a difference in a touring rig. The price breakdown is almost identical between a PARCan w/ 4 lamps and a Source4 PAR with 4 lenses. It is also good to realize that a Source4 PAR is closer in beam size to a PAR56 rather than the PAR64. In shootouts we've done, the conventional PARcan had a larger, brighter field. The Source4 PARs are smaller, which aids if storage is a problem. Steve L. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F71BEB8E [at] stage.OTC.local> From: "Dirk Van Pernis" First off, an ETC S4Par compare better to a Par56 for photometrics. S4Par +'s: Only one lamp type to stock Physically smaller More durable construction Lower power consumption Par64 +'s: Inexpensive to purchase, repair, and replace Lighter Weight Dirk Van Pernis - OTC ME =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kyle Dugger Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:13 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- What your opinions comparing a 1000kw par and an ETC 575w instrument. I have been asked by someone who is looking to buy a lighting rig that will be ued for rock n roll to corporate type events. What would be their best bank for the buck. Power consumpstion is a pretty big issue as is the quality of the instruments. Any suggestions? kyle dugger ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060127162330.034e65f0 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:26:08 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par In-Reply-To: References: What Steve & Dirk Said, plus Replacement lamps for the S-4 Pars are cheaper (by $5 or $6), and store in a much smaller space (you could fit BAJILLIONS in a roadbox). ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0601271337j1469f826yf6cd51c416369bc1 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:37:08 -0800 From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) In-Reply-To: References:

In college we had a teacher whose spelling was only slightly better than mine, and we had a drawer in the hardware area marked: Anglee irons... So they've been Anglee ever since, although, I guess he predicted the director's American presence by 2 decades. At the Santa Fe Opera we had a drawer marked: Bits o' Hardware.=20 Someone marked another drawer: Bits o' Drills. Paul Puppo SFO School of Reamage Class of '86 (Drop Out) mailto:paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <055D43DA92FB0001 [at] localhost> Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:37:42 -0600 Organization: Landru Design In-reply-to: Kyle - >What your opinions comparing a 1000kw par and an ETC 575w >instrument? My $.02: To me, they are not necessarily interchangeable fixtures. The Source 4 PAR: - does consume less power. - takes up less storage space, considering lamps and lenses vs. PAR lamps. - is a smaller, more compact fixture. - uses a much easier "bubble" spinning method vs. sticking one's fingers in the back of a hot PAR. BUT There are a lot of applications where one really needs the oval beam shape from a PAR NSP or VNSP. It would take double the S4 PARs to cover the same area. Also, I'm not at all a big fan of having the lens so close to the front of the fixture. The flare can be pretty annoying. Yes, getting top-hats is an easy option, but getting vendors to cough up a large quantity of them (60, 120, 180, whatever for a rock'n'roll rig) isn't always easy. Regards - C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #670 *****************************