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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #672

 1. Re: Scenic Studios
    by gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
 2. Re: Little Shop:  Fake Intestines
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 3. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think 
    by "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>
 4. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 5. Re: Little Shop:  Fake Intestines
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 6. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
    by "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
 7. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
 8. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
 9. Job Titles
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
10. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
11. Re: tail downs
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
12. Re: side lighting
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
13. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
14. Re: Job titles
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
15. Re: Job Titles
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
16. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
17. Re: Job titles
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
18. Re: tech riders
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think  of next?)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
20. Re: tech riders
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
21. Re: Tail Downs
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
22. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
23. Re: Job titles
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
24. Re: tech riders
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
25. Re: Tail Downs
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
26. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
27. Re: tech riders
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
28. Re: tech riders
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: tech riders and electrical specs
    by Duane Turner <turnerduane [at] yahoo.com>

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From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
Subject: Re: Scenic Studios
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:29:46 -0500


On Jan 27, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote:
> gregg hillmar wrote:
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Yes, unfortunately, TheatreVirginia closed...
>
> The rumours have occasionally hinted at them reopening in '07 in a  
> new space on Broad?  Any truth to that? (and do they need an ME?)
>
> Steve L.
> -- 

Well, the new space ran afoul of the new mayor. The mayor won. No  
more space. Just minor renovations to the Carpenter Center, if you  
remember it...
g.
_____________________
gregg hillmar
scenic & lighting design
portfolio & life as we know it:
http://www.hillmardesign.com

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been  
hurt. Dance like no one's watching."
Satchel Paige


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Message-ID: <43DB8FF2.1040305 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:38:26 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Little Shop:  Fake Intestines
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MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> _rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com_ (mailto:rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com)   writes:
> << Sounds like you done this before :)    I  would think you would want some
> thing a bit longer, intestines are usually 5  or 6 feet long. >> 
> 
> The real ones like they use for making real  hotdogs and sausages are 30+ 
> feet long.

30 foot long condoms?!?!?

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think 
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:53:38 -0600
Message-ID: <5CF1C3D95785A143A3E33ACFD864609B038346BA [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu>
From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>



<<<<<TOOL I AM ON THE LOOK OUT FOR:
Sky Crane
wood streacher
floor leveler
wing streacher
a truck loader that knows how to load a truck>>>>


Don't forget aerosol Light-Be-Gone and now for a limited time buy one =
can of Light-Be-Gone at regular price and we'll throw in a can of =
aerosol=20
Sound-Be-Gone for free!  (This product will not deplete o-zone)



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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
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Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:56:36 -0800

> We have an old Weller model 8200 soldering iron labeled 'Ronald'
>
> Think about it.....


Heh... I got it.  My dad had an old Weller... certainly looked like a 
'raygun.'  At least that's what I used to pretend it was.  That thing was a 
work of art - all Bakelite casing... that thing had probably been dropped 
many times, as the thing was a spiderweb of glue lines.

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
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Subject: Re: Little Shop:  Fake Intestines
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:57:59 -0800

>> The real ones like they use for making real  hotdogs and sausages are 30+
>> feet long.
>
> 30 foot long condoms?!?!?
>
>

Would that be "30-foot-long condoms," or "30 foot-long condoms?"

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:23:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think

Damn, I hate that band!

:D  Fred

-----Original Message-----
(This product will not deplete o-zone)

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Message-ID: <00aa01c62428$34734860$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.)
References: <list-27095771 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:30:51 -0700

o-zone or O-Town ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Damn, I hate that band!
>
> :D  Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> (This product will not deplete o-zone)


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From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:47:05 -0700

In the Pacific Northwest in the mid 80's,  anyone ever use Al Holman's
Speaker Renew?


<<<<<TOOL I AM ON THE LOOK OUT FOR:
Sky Crane
wood streacher
floor leveler
wing streacher
a truck loader that knows how to load a truck>>>>


Don't forget aerosol Light-Be-Gone and now for a limited time buy one
can of Light-Be-Gone at regular price and we'll throw in a can of
aerosol
Sound-Be-Gone for free!  (This product will not deplete o-zone)


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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:52:36 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Job Titles

A few other non-traditional (not standards like: squint, wood-butcher,
etc.) terms of endearment I have heard along the way are:

Button Monkey- Board Op/Programmer
Truss Monkey- Rigger
...(is there a theme here?)
Knobhead- Sound Engineer
and
(can't forget the old-time favorite for ineffective SM's can we?)=20
Stage Manglement!!


-SS
TTS-EKU

"Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you
want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. "
  --Bill Lumbergh

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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:23:56 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
In-Reply-To: <list-27069462 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27069214 [at] prxy.net> <list-27069462 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>OK, the cheeseburger post reminded me of this. When I was in
undergraduate school, I had a peer -who shall remain nameless- who
couldn't remember the word pariaktoi. One day there was a conversation
and she came out with pterodactyl and pterodactyls they've been ever
since.

And then there's the mispronunciation of the word Fresnel that
periodically comes up from the durnedest people...

Any takers for other ones?<<<<


A bevel gauge will forever be known to me now as "the
angle-maker-thingee" thanks to a student worker in the scene shop at a
university I once worked for. (hey, I think it's funny!!)

And along those lines (same school) when I was teaching stagecraft I
had placed a question on an exam in regard to "types of metals"
commonly used when constructing theatrical scenery, blah blah blah.
Although said student did not answer the question correctly, I did
however get a kick out of their answer--- "Adamantium".
(Anyone familiar with the comic book, and/or movie X-men, should
appreciate that one :)

-SS
TTS-EKU

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <243.5ef897c.310d10b8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:23:52 EST
Subject: Re: tail downs

In a message dated 28/01/06 02:46:19 GMT Standard Time, MissWisc [at] aol.com 
writes:

> Perhaps the best reason TO use a tail down is  that it gives sidelight 
>  without ankle busting.

Well, sort of. High side light, yes, but for the real thing you can't beat 
shinbusters.

The only dance show I used to do was for a local dance school, and half the 
cast were only 4' high, and so I never dared to try. I had to compromise at 
about 6', which is less satisfactory. Kids and hot luminaires don't mix.

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <22f.573ddbf.310d12e5 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:33:09 EST
Subject: Re: side lighting

In a message dated 28/01/06 04:32:36 GMT Standard Time, 
aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au writes:

> Here in the land of Oz, we use a device which I believe comes originally 
>  from the UK:
>  The boom arm bracket.

Yes. Strand have been supplying them for years and years. They are something 
of a pain, as you have to detach the G-clamp from the yoke to use them, and 
re-fit it afterwards or your successor will scream. That is why I prefer short 
stubs and KeeClamp fittings, as you just hang normally.

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6a.6633c95c.310d15ff [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:46:23 EST
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)

In a message dated 28/01/06 18:24:18 GMT Standard Time, cueonego [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> Any takers for other ones?<<<<
>  
>  
>  A bevel gauge will forever be known to me now as "the
>  angle-maker-thingee" thanks to a student worker in the scene shop at a
>  university I once worked for. (hey, I think it's funny!!)

My old woodwork master was a pedant. At his first class, he would brandish a 
hammer and say:" this is a screwdriver". then he would brandish what most of 
us would call a screwdriver, and say:"this is a screwTURNER".

Frank Wood

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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:16:33
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Job titles

> OK, so far I've learned
> 
> skweek -> sound
> squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX
> wood-butcher -> carpenter

Vidiots, but that's self explanatory.  This term covers the guys that set
up cameras and screens/video walls for IMAG or powerpoint/'scenery'
projection and those that come to videotape a production for archival/TV
news/whatever.  In the former instance, it tends to be an endearing term,
in the latter, more of a deroguetory title.  Usually due to their arrival
to set up and get accommodated at half hour or later.
I have run into one instance where the LD and the Head Carp both took
umbrage at the term 'squint' when referring tothe electricians, but other
than that one instance everyone else seems to be able to get over themselves.
And 'hum-heads' is another common reference for skweeks.
'Bean-Counters' kinda means anyone who gets a check that doesn't actually
work on the deck or backstage, and depending on who has most recently
stepped on whose departmental toes, there are, of course, a litany of
endearing terms that can't even be repeated on this liberally minded list!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...


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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
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Subject: Re: Job Titles
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:30:20 -0800

> Button Monkey- Board Op/Programmer


BJ - Board Jockey.

We also often have a BSB - Back Stage Bitch - sort of an Assistant SM in 
training.  (More of a go-fer than a stagehand.)

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
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Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:33:48 -0800

> And along those lines (same school) when I was teaching stagecraft I
> had placed a question on an exam in regard to "types of metals"
> commonly used when constructing theatrical scenery, blah blah blah.
> Although said student did not answer the question correctly, I did
> however get a kick out of their answer--- "Adamantium".


At my charter HS a few weeks ago, during the Humanities section on Greek 
architecture, examples of 3 orders of architecture were submitted by one 
student:  Doric, Corinthian, and Ironic.

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Job titles
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:54:58 -0500
Message-ID: <002301c62444$b7afddd0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27098743 [at] prxy.net>



> Usually due to their 
> arrival to set up and get accommodated at half hour or later. 


...And asking -- no, demanding -- after 10 hours of tech rehearsals, that
the light levels be changed.


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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:24:29
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: tech riders

>If you would like it nice and easy to use, install 400amp rated 
>cam-locks (ground an neutral reversed).

Have turnarounds for the reversal.  Compare the cost of five of one and two
turnarounds of another to three of one, two of another, and turnarounds for
the two.  Do what's cheaper, because you're going to run into just as many
people that hire smart trechnicians as thsoe that try to make 400A service
usable by idiots.  BTW, reversing the ground and neutral now allows idiots
to ground one leg of the service (an/or tie it to neutral) in the dark
while struggling with their colorblindness.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060128144756.00cf5bc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:47:56
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think
  of next?)

>We have an old Weller model 8200 soldering iron labeled 'Ronald'

Once, when left to my own devices to finish a build of one part of a set
while the designer/builder/shop owner went to load-in the rest of a set
(taking almost all of the tools in the shop with him) I started labeling
the makeshift tools I had conscripted as the actual tool they replaced.
His wife insisted that I take pictures, and I think that I may have one on
my computer at home.  I'll be back on Tuesday, and I'll put it on the web
somewhere if I get a reminder.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <43DBEB6E.2090903 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:08:46 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: tech riders
References: <list-27101111 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27101111 [at] prxy.net>

I apologize if I made it sound like idiot proofing the system. With that 
much power, there is no such thing in my opinion. I was just shooting 
for speed. It is faster to connect the cam locks instead of opening the 
panel and going to lugs.


Excellent point about having turn arounds on hand. A set of cam multi 
taps has also pr oven very beneficial to me as well.

CB wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>
>>If you would like it nice and easy to use, install 400amp rated 
>>cam-locks (ground an neutral reversed).
>>    
>>
>
>Have turnarounds for the reversal.  Compare the cost of five of one and two
>turnarounds of another to three of one, two of another, and turnarounds for
>the two.  Do what's cheaper, because you're going to run into just as many
>people that hire smart trechnicians as thsoe that try to make 400A service
>usable by idiots.  BTW, reversing the ground and neutral now allows idiots
>to ground one leg of the service (an/or tie it to neutral) in the dark
>while struggling with their colorblindness.
>				Chris "Chris" Babbie
>				Location Sound
>				MON AZ
>
>Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
>negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...
>
>  
>


-- 
Brian James


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Message-Id: <D61EF91B-9903-494F-8444-5DB153D2DCC5 [at] dopher.com>
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Downs
Date:	Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:29:02 -0500

Paul Marsland wrote:
>
> - swivel cheesebro tail down pipe to bottom flying
> system pipe leaving 18" of extra sticking out on the
> top end
> - chain the bottom end of the tail down pipe up to the
> system pipe so it is just off the floor (all of the
> tail down pipe is now suspended by the system pipe for
> counterweighting).  An extra c-clamp keeps the chain
> from sliding up the pipe.
> - we go ahead and hang all (or most) of the
> instruments, sidearms and cable on the tail down pipe.
>  We also run some 3/16" chain shackled to the system
> pipe down the length of the tail down pipe to the
> lowest unit on the tail down.  All fixture safties
> clip into the chain
> - complete counterweighting
> - couple of folks lift the end of the tail down pipe
> to be unchained and the system pipe is flown out and
> the tail down pipe swivels into position
> - rigid cheesbro tail down pipe to upper system pipe
> (done from lift)

You forgot a couple of steps:
- fly lineset down 'til taildowns are just touching the deck (i.e.  
can't lift counterweight arbor any higher)
- replace swivel cheeseboroughs with fixed cheeseboroughs

Bill or Peter may correct me, but I don't believe swivels are weight- 
rated in a sheer situation.  They're best used in compression.

Cris Dopher, LD

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Message-Id: <0ABA31E8-A60F-46BF-A374-5FED9E6CD6FD [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:16:15 -0500


On Jan 27, 2006, at 7:35 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
>
> OK, I'm old fashioned. I have an old-fashioned belief that stage  
> lighting is
> not about 'how many lumens can you get down on the stage', but  
> rather about '
> where does it come from, and where does it go to'. PARs offer no  
> good answers.
>
>
> Frank Wood

Frank, the original post asked for solutions somewhat similar to a  
"rock and roll touring" rig.

My experience with both mirrors many of the comments already made  
about power consumption, different beam shapes, etc.

If it's a R&R set-up, I'm not sure, as much as I love 'em, that the  
S4 PARs would have the punch you'd want, especially for backlighting.

-=Greg Williams=-
Production Manager
Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University

www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us!



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <267.4cb9016.310d5ee8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:57:28 EST
Subject: Re: Job titles

In a message dated 28/01/06 19:55:40 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> ...And asking -- no, demanding -- after 10 hours of tech rehearsals, that
>  the light levels be changed.

This happens less often, nowadays, with TV cameras and systems being 
cleverer. Back when, I have been to performances where the video team has just flooded 
the stage with frontal light. As a TV engineer, I know why; TV is not fond of 
high contrast lighting, and it needs flattened out. But not to the total 
destruction of the LD's work and concept. I appreciate that the TV audience is 
many times larger than the measly 2,000 or so in an opera house. But, the 
audience has paid for its seats: the viewers see it for free.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2d9.18af429.310d60cd [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:05:33 EST
Subject: Re: tech riders

In a message dated 28/01/06 22:09:08 GMT Standard Time, 
brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com writes:

> I apologize if I made it sound like idiot proofing the system. With that 
>  much power, there is no such thing in my opinion. I was just shooting 
>  for speed. It is faster to connect the cam locks instead of opening the 
>  panel and going to lugs.

This is a foreign concept to me. When you hire our theatre, you get the 
permanent installation, and the whole inventory. Extra power can be made available, 
by negotiation. But it is OUR engineers who install it, and do the safety 
checks. 


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2d0.2677142.310d61b3 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:09:23 EST
Subject: Re: Tail Downs

In a message dated 28/01/06 22:29:32 GMT Standard Time, brooklyn [at] dopher.com 
writes:

> Bill or Peter may correct me, but I don't believe swivels are weight- 
>  rated in a sheer situation.  They're best used in compression.

That is their exact purpose, to allow diagonal bracing in an otherwise 
rectilinear structure. Shear loads are what they are for. 

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1c0.39294cd0.310d6304 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:15:00 EST
Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par

In a message dated 28/01/06 22:38:52 GMT Standard Time, 
gwilliams [at] appstate.edu writes:

> If it's a R&R set-up, I'm not sure, as much as I love 'em, that the  
>  S4 PARs would have the punch you'd want, especially for backlighting.

Speaking of this, I just watched a Mozart celebration, fro various venues. At 
one of them, the two principal singers had blue hair, and blue shoulders. I 
value backlight as much as any one else, but I think this is overdoing it.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <43DC2A9C.9060203 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:38:20 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: tech riders
References: <list-27101111 [at] prxy.net> <list-27101794 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27101794 [at] prxy.net>

Brian James wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I apologize if I made it sound like idiot proofing the system. With that 
> much power, there is no such thing in my opinion. I was just shooting 
> for speed. It is faster to connect the cam locks instead of opening the 
> panel and going to lugs.
> 
> 
> Excellent point about having turn arounds on hand. A set of cam multi 
> taps has also pr oven very beneficial to me as well.
> 

   If you do have cam turnarounds belonging to the facility,
chain them to the disconnect panel, with something difficult
to cut with hand tools.  The stupid things are expensive
and walk away far too easily.

   --Dale


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Message-ID: <43DC2B21.9060701 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:40:33 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: tech riders
References: <list-27101111 [at] prxy.net> <list-27101794 [at] prxy.net> <list-27105954 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27105954 [at] prxy.net>

If I remember right, it seems most tours have a set anyway. I think I 
have only used mine for equipment we have gotten from a rental house.


Dale Farmer wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian James wrote:
>
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I apologize if I made it sound like idiot proofing the system. With 
>> that much power, there is no such thing in my opinion. I was just 
>> shooting for speed. It is faster to connect the cam locks instead of 
>> opening the panel and going to lugs.
>>
>>
>> Excellent point about having turn arounds on hand. A set of cam multi 
>> taps has also pr oven very beneficial to me as well.
>>
>
>   If you do have cam turnarounds belonging to the facility,
> chain them to the disconnect panel, with something difficult
> to cut with hand tools.  The stupid things are expensive
> and walk away far too easily.
>
>   --Dale
>
>


-- 
Brian James


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Message-ID: <20060129045716.86839.qmail [at] web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:57:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Duane Turner <turnerduane [at] yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Duane Turner <turnerduane [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: re: tech riders and electrical specs

I would completely agree with the others that have written in.  400 amps =
min for Lighting, 200 amps would be ideal for sound- on an iso =
transformer, another 200 amps would be nice to have around for misc =
other things - automation, etc.  60 amps near the loading dock for shore =
power.  All disconnects should have cams and lugs.  spend the money to =
run the conduit and cable the first time.  You will not want to do the =
upgrade later.  We have a well built facility that lacks the power that =
we need.  We seat 1700 in a beautiful house but we begin every loadin =
with a fight about power.  Some might say this is a problem that should =
be advanced.. but it has.  Time and time again.  I have found that most =
people on the road don't pay much attention or hope you will magically =
be able to pull more power out at the last moment.  I put the blame on =
the agents and producers allowing shows to go into houses that they =
probably have no business being in.  Sorry.  Sore subject.  We have =
looked into adding the power now but it will cost us about $250,000.  If =
you must cut corners have them add the conduit and transformers to allow =
for future expansion.
As for riders. um.  I try not to remember them or keep them for too =
long.  Above is the norm. that is found in most riders.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Duane Turner
University of West Florida
Technical Director

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