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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27140393; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:01:53 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #673 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:00:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_FRAUD_10 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #673 1. Re: Bat Boy Props by Eric Rouse 2. Re: [WARNING - NOT VIRUS SCANNED]Stagecraft Digest #670 by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Re: Job Titles by "Paul Guncheon" 4. Re: Batboy props by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Re: Job titles by CB 6. Re: tech riders by CB 7. Re: Job titles by CB 8. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by CB 9. Re: tech riders by CB 10. Re: Job Titles by Jim Hyslop 11. Re: tech riders by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Job titles by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 13. Re: Job Titles by "Jon Ares" 14. Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession by Edward Hunter 15. Re: Job Titles by "Simon Shuker" 16. Re: Job Titles by Kurt Cypher 17. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Sunil Rajan 18. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Jerry Durand 19. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Paul Schreiner" 20. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Jerry Durand 21. I went for a ride in a time machine by b Ricie 22. Re: Tail Downs by "C. Dopher" 23. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Looking for a carpenter with a shop by "Jon Ares" 25. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Jon Ares" 26. Re: I went for a ride in a time machine by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Tail Downs by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: side lighting by "Tony Deeming" 29. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by Jason Tollefson 30. Re: side lighting by "Tony Deeming" 31. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession by Michael de Almeida 34. Re: Looking for a carpenter with a shop by SS 35. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Daniel O'Donnell" 36. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Dale Farmer 37. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Tony Deeming" 38. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Dale Farmer 39. Re: Looking for a carpenter with a shop by Jim Hyslop 40. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Tony Deeming" 41. Re: Job Titles by "Bill Nelson" 42. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by Dale Farmer 43. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think by "Tony Deeming" 44. Re: Job titles by Herrick Goldman 45. Re: Job titles by Herrick Goldman 46. Re: Job titles by Herrick Goldman 47. Re: tech riders by "Bill Nelson" 48. Re: Job Titles by Jim Hyslop 49. Re: Job Titles by "Bill Nelson" 50. Re: Tail Downs by Stephen Litterst 51. Re: tail downs by "Bill Nelson" 52. Re: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession by "Thomas Schraeder" 53. Re: tech riders by "Occy" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <41f080680601290431u4a3dcb2csd731e479cb66703b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:31:49 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: Bat Boy Props In-Reply-To: References: We did the show earlier this season. Our prop master made a couple beautiful geese. One is rigged to bleed with a velcro pocket for a blood bag. If you are interested in them let me know. We may be able to work something out. Eric > The script calls for 2 dead geese tied together around a persons > neck--and then one has to bleed into a basin when it's head is cut > off. We have the skin and feathers from real geese, were hoping to > use dog training ducks for the body. Any suggestions > T. Wilkens > Gustavus Adolphus College > St. Peter, Minnesota -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:38:10 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: [WARNING - NOT VIRUS SCANNED]Stagecraft Digest #670 Message-id: <012901c624ea$02a62d30$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: << Dancers - glitter (w)itches >> = "Movable reflective surfaces" Warm props that eat. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:43:57 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Job Titles Message-id: <013901c624ea$d1ec9d90$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: << Dancers - glitter (w)itches >> = "Movable reflective surfaces" Actors Actroids Warm props that eat. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:06:55 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Batboy props Message-id: <014201c624ee$076a6f30$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: <> A local theatre did the show a while ago. They changed the thrown torch to a lantern which was tossed into a cabin. It was actually caught by a stagehand although it could have been thrown into a receptacle. They used only one goose and the motion of cutting the throat was so fast that they omitted the blood oozing from the cut and only had it in the bowl form which Batboy drinks. What really sells the gag is the blood on Batboy's face. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060129095127.00cf5d68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:51:27 From: CB Subject: RE: Job titles >> Usually due to their >> arrival to set up and get accommodated at half hour or later. >...And asking -- no, demanding -- after 10 hours of tech rehearsals, that >the light levels be changed. Yeah, this ain't Jeffrey's first rodeo. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060129095916.00cf5d68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:59:16 From: CB Subject: Re: tech riders >I apologize if I made it sound like idiot proofing the system. With that >much power, there is no such thing in my opinion. I was just shooting >for speed. It is faster to connect the cam locks instead of opening the >panel and going to lugs. No apology necessary. I'm sure that you weren't the one that started that silly notion, and having cams available is an excellent idea. Having toured with straight cams (not G&N reversed) I've found that almost exactly half of the venues I was in had them reversed. About a third of those that had them reversed had adaptors. AFAIC, reversing them is a trend, not the 'standard' (as if there were one), and if you are going to start something new you oughta at least provide for those few chumps that are sent out with 'standard' (or is there a better term?) kit. I ended up using T's in the venues without turnarounds, and not liking it. Yeah, I should have had turnarounds, and those with five F cams should have some M turnarounds. If I worked at Franks theatre, we wouldn't use cams, things would just be wired in! I'm still looking for that supplier for cam-lok to XLR 5 adaptors. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060129100130.00cf5d68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:01:30 From: CB Subject: Re: Job titles >When you hire our theatre, you get the >permanent installation, and the whole inventory. Tolja so... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060129101407.00cf5d68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:14:07 From: CB Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par >I just watched a Mozart celebration, fro various venues. At >one of them, the two principal singers had blue hair, I was mixing Handel's "Semele" opening night on Mozart's Birthday Eve, and almost my whole audience had blue hair! Speaking of; Jerry, I understand why the Governess didn't stop by the console to say hello last night, but I thought that you might swing by! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060129101625.00cf5d68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:16:25 From: CB Subject: Re: tech riders >If I remember right, it seems most tours have a set anyway. Ehm, if you don't have any in the house, and 'most' tours have them, what do you do with the tours that don't? I know, I should have them in my kit, but sometimes the company that I'm working for doesn't share that concept. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DCFC9E.1060909 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:34:22 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Job Titles References: In-Reply-To: SS wrote: > (can't forget the old-time favorite for ineffective SM's can we?) > Stage Manglement!! I've run into a few Strange Management, too ;=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2a4.49a36f9.310e6402 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:31:30 EST Subject: Re: tech riders In a message dated 29/01/06 16:59:16 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > If I worked at Franks theatre, we wouldn't use cams, > things would just be wired in! That is true. We're a smallih community theatre, 450 max, and most visiting companies are grateful to be able to use our facilities. It saves a lot of humping, since we don't have flown bars, but light from bridges, adjacent to which the lanterns and cables are stored. There's 200A of three-phase for the lighting (remember our currents are half the US norm), and about 100A for sound, both remotely switched from the control room. The sound side is cleverly controlled so that the desk doesn't turn off if the amplifiers are on, avoiding the sometimes destructive effect of turning the desk off with the amplifiers up. There have been odd shows which needed more, so there is a separate 128A CEE connector in the switchroom, just in case. Because the electrical facilities have been planned by real engineers who know Theatre, and all of whom are or were practising LDs, and largely installed by them, there have been few problems. The general parameters of dimmers have changed little since 1964 but the number has greatly increased, from 48 to 72 to 84 to 128+, and this has led to heavier cabling and switchgear being installed. There was no problem in finding power, as we took out the original electric heating some time ago. As designed, the playhouse was a 100KW fan heater! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:45:40 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c62504$33e59a60$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >...And asking -- no, demanding -- after 10 hours of tech rehearsals, > >that the light levels be changed. > > Yeah, this ain't Jeffrey's first rodeo. I took Drama in high school. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c62506$e8b734b0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Job Titles Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:05:02 -0800 > << Dancers - glitter (w)itches >> = "Movable reflective surfaces" > > Actors > > Actroids > > Warm props that eat. Actrons. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Hunter Subject: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession Reply-to: Edward Hunter Message-id: <0ITV00ADMC2VNL40 [at] ha14sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> I'd like to be able to use the MSC go's off my Obsession to run sound cues off a laptop. I'm trying to assemble a list of options to look at. Since I'm just looking at running sound something simple (i.e. inexpensive) should do the trick. What packages would you all recommend I look at. In my web searching I've found something called SCS-professional that would seem to do the trick. Anything else I should look at? Thanks. -edh ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: Job Titles Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:21:19 +0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060129192127.A39075949 [at] mail05.powweb.com> I like stitch bitch for wardrobe SS wrote: > (can't forget the old-time favorite for ineffective SM's can we?) > Stage Manglement!! I've run into a few Strange Management, too ;=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:25:59 -0500 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Job Titles In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/29/06, Jon Ares wrote: > > Actors > > > > Actroids > > > > Warm props that eat. > > Actrons. > One that's popular with a couple of community theater TD's I've worked with is "meat-puppet" Kurt ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0A490F27-9101-11DA-9E25-000A95BD64AC [at] earthlink.net> From: Sunil Rajan Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:54:21 -0500 On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:53:38 -0600 > Message-ID: <5CF1C3D95785A143A3E33ACFD864609B038346BA [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu> > From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" > > > > <<<< Sky Crane > wood streacher > floor leveler > wing streacher > a truck loader that knows how to load a truck>>>> > > > Don't forget aerosol Light-Be-Gone and now for a limited time buy one = > can of Light-Be-Gone at regular price and we'll throw in a can of = > aerosol=20 > Sound-Be-Gone for free! (This product will not deplete o-zone) I think Steve Shelly (a.k.a. Captain Panic) was shopping around for a manufacturer of his product, Lum-O-Suck (light absorbent spray coating). I was looking for my can of Noise Off the other day, when we had a particularly bad folk singer at the Ann Arbor Folk Festival. I don't think it would have helped anyway. I'm still looking for my cordless extension cord (AC). Cheers, Sunil Rajan Freelance Audio Mercenary PSE, Altar Boyz NYC currently: in MI doing Superbowl related events/festivals... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129120946.01f4b568 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:11:53 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:54 AM 1/29/2006, you wrote: >I was looking for my can of Noise Off the other day, when we had a >particularly bad folk singer at the Ann Arbor Folk Festival. I'd like the air freshener type of Noise Off. You spray it in the air around you during a bad concert and have blissful silence. Everyone else thinks the smile is you enjoying the music. Now there's an idea, use the Bose Noise Reducing headphones for your headset. You can still hear your cues, but don't have to listen to the talent. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:37:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9AE8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Back in college, my mentor (a pretty good keyboardist/composer in his own right, besides being one of the two most whacked-out designers I've ever known--but in a good way) labeled a box of 18/2 cable scraps "zip chord". > I'm still looking for my cordless extension cord (AC). Wireless power supplies are always at the top of my list, followed closely by my own pair of Go-Go-Gadget Arms and self-cleaning paint brushes. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125235.01f3dc18 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:01:52 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think In-Reply-To: References: At 12:37 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote: >Wireless power supplies are always at the top of my list, I'm now working with the rash of clients that need tiny wireless devices that run for very long times on small batteries. Of course, they expect the unit to be running (not hibernating) most of the time. Anyone have a source for the batteries they used in the Star Trek communicators? Mentioning batteries, my lithium-polymer charger board is working great (nice to have SOMETHING work on the first try). It came out at 0.625" x 1.25", charges up to 2000mA-H batteries, and delivers regulated 3V to the load at up to 100mA. I'm almost considering mating these to batteries as a ready-to-go battery pack for stagecraft projects. With a 200mA-H battery these come out to 0.7" x 0.6" x 1.25" including the two status LEDs. The 5V to power the charger comes from a normal wall-wort. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060129214831.48913.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:48:31 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: I went for a ride in a time machine In-Reply-To: I went for a ride in a time machine yesterday. Everyone present was transported back 200 years, or so, to Salzburg. It was a charity concert in honor of Mozart�s birthday. A Chorus of 20, a few soloists, a couple of violins, a bass, a cello, an oboe, and the restored pipe organ. The setting is what truly made the experience. Many years ago Helen Pond and Herbert Senn, two true masters of scenic design, bought and renovated a church which they now call home. Before Herbert passed away he spent his years decorating the church in the Gothic style. Everywhere you look is a feast for the eyes, form the 40�x40� painted rosette in the middle of the ceiling, to the carved drapery for the windows, more quatrefoils and rosettes than one person can count. Equally amazing is how difficult it is to distinguish the carved ornamentation from the painted, some things you have to touch just to be sure. The lighting was done by the setting sun handing its golden glow over to the oil lamps and candles. The hand made, carved music stands were also illuminated by candles. Electric lighting was not used at all; actually the only electricity needed was for the bellows of the organ. . The sound, of course, was strictly acoustic, and as it should be. For a little over an hour I was swept away, the experience was so incredible I felt as if I were there watching Mozart, himself, premiere his new work. Low tech / no tech yet absolutely one of the most �theatrical� experiences I have ever had. I just wish my words could paint a more vivid picture. If you ever find yourself on Cape Cod, and see an ad for �Musick at Strawberry Hill�, GO. If you ever find yourself on Cape Cod and would like to meet a true Master of scenic design (Helen) and see the church, please, please let me know it should not be missed. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <886F8373-9DA5-4299-AAE2-88A7893783E7 [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: Tail Downs Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:36:53 -0500 Frank Wood wrote: > > In a message dated 28/01/06 22:29:32 GMT Standard Time, > brooklyn [at] dopher.com > writes: > >> Bill or Peter may correct me, but I don't believe swivels are weight- >> rated in a sheer situation. They're best used in compression. > > That is their exact purpose, to allow diagonal bracing in an otherwise > rectilinear structure. Shear loads are what they are for. I thought about that. But realistically, cross-bracing is not a (heavily) loaded situation. It is stabilization only. Scaffold, taildowns, and other structures should have the weight running through the vertical members only, with cross-brace members (and the attachment points) taking very little continuous weight and only minimal intermittent sheer forces as they do their work. Heck, on stock steel contractors' scaffold, you can reach up and easily rattle any given X-brace. And if someone IS putting major loads on their swivel-coupled crossbracing... then maybe their rig needs rethinking. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <223.70df122.310e9f1b [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:43:39 EST Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think In a message dated 29/01/06 20:38:05 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > Back in college, my mentor (a pretty good keyboardist/composer in his > own right, besides being one of the two most whacked-out designers I've > ever known--but in a good way) labeled a box of 18/2 cable scraps "zip > chord". Computer makers have a sense of humour, too. On mine, I have a driver for a "generic dongle". This, in theory, makes an external IR device, such as a hand-held document reader, work. Job titles are sometimes funny, too. Gaffer I understand, but where did 'best boy' come from? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c62525$9938ec20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Looking for a carpenter with a shop Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:44:44 -0800 I have a show to have built that's "really" small, and consists of small, basic flats, 3 platforms, 1 three-step unit, and "Scenic Painting 101" painting of said small flats. There's 'real' money, but not enough 'real' money for a full-out scenic shop and its overhead. My school would build it ourselves, but we don't have a scene shop or even a stage at this time, and we've been flushing huge amounts of money down the storm drain with rather scaled-down designs going to 'real' scene shops. This is the last show we need built this year.... So... any 1-2 person scene shops in the greater Portland, OR, USA interested in starting a project immediately? Please contact me off-list - before the flamers start saying any show that has a budget less than $10,000 is not worth doing... :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c62525$f1e25f00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:47:12 -0800 > Job titles are sometimes funny, too. Gaffer I understand, but where did > 'best > boy' come from? Back in the late 20's, a discrete major leading lady of a Hollywood film discovered that the "Best Boy" was the kid that ran the lights. :) (Actually, I have no idea.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <281.4dbf11a.310ea114 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:52:04 EST Subject: Re: I went for a ride in a time machine In a message dated 29/01/06 21:49:07 GMT Standard Time, b_ricie [at] yahoo.com=20 writes: > I went for a ride in a time machine yesterday. > Everyone present was transported back 200 years, or > so, to Salzburg. It was a charity concert in honor of > Mozart=E2=80=99s birthday. A Chorus of 20, a few soloists, a > couple of violins, a bass, a cello, an oboe, and the > restored pipe organ. Splendid! I hope there will be many more, performing Mozart's music as he=20 meant it to be heard. I trust that the instruments were of the period, or mo= dern=20 copies, and that the vocal techniques matched. Both have changed. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:06:13 EST Subject: Re: Tail Downs In a message dated 29/01/06 22:37:40 GMT Standard Time, brooklyn [at] dopher.com writes: > I thought about that. But realistically, cross-bracing is not a > (heavily) loaded situation. It is stabilization only. Scaffold, > taildowns, and other structures should have the weight running > through the vertical members only, with cross-brace members (and the > attachment points) taking very little continuous weight and only > minimal intermittent sheer forces as they do their work. Heck, on > stock steel contractors' scaffold, you can reach up and easily rattle > any given X-brace. Rectilinear structures are, as you say, good for loads in the up-and-down directions. But they handle shear forces badly. Look at any trussed girder bridge: the diagonal members heavily outnumber the verticals. Yes, standard scaffold construction has a certain amount of play in the diagonal members. This is due to the way the fittings are made. But the diagonal loads must be controlled. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: side lighting Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:29:07 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yup - that's exactly what we use (UK) - dead simple and they work beautifully. 8-))) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Andy > Ciddor > Sent: 28 January 2006 04:32 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: side lighting > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here in the land of Oz, we use a device which I believe comes originally > from the UK: > The boom arm bracket. > > Cheap, simple and very safe. > Photos at > > Of course it's much simpler to use these brackets when every piece of > lighting pipe in the Australasian region is standardised at 48.3mm OD (1 > 29/32"). > > Andy > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060129233322.95892.qmail [at] web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par In-Reply-To: Let's also not forget that a true, old-school, Rock-n-Roll rig needs lots of chrome. As far a I know, ETC hasn't tried to fill this niche yet and it's hard to warm that black powder coat. Jason Tollefson www.tollefsondesigns.com > ...the original post asked for solutions somewhat similar to a > "rock and roll touring" rig. > > My experience with both mirrors many of the comments already made > about power consumption, different beam shapes, etc. > > If it's a R&R set-up, I'm not sure, as much as I love 'em, that the > S4 PARs would have the punch you'd want, especially for backlighting. ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: side lighting Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:33:20 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > > Here in the land of Oz, we use a device which I believe comes > originally > > from the UK: > > The boom arm bracket. > > Yes. Strand have been supplying them for years and years. They > are something > of a pain, as you have to detach the G-clamp from the yoke to use > them, and > re-fit it afterwards or your successor will scream. That is why I > prefer short > stubs and KeeClamp fittings, as you just hang normally. > > Frank Wood If your biggest problem is removing/replacing hook clamps then you've got an easy ride, I reckon! Just done that very thing with 4 sets of four multi-pars as side lights for our panto. TD ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:47:53 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Personally, I'm a fan of the S4 par. Having hired them several times in the last couple of years, I picked up a couple for our house stock. I then picked up, in 3 lots on Ebay, another dozen of the clones, then found out why they're not readily available now!! (Couldn't afford that many real S4's!!). The clones are similar in shape and size to the ETC lanterns, and use similar lenses and exactly the same bubble (which is WHY they're no longer easily available as ETC slapped a law suit I believe on the importation of the units as they hold full rights to the HPL bulbs!!) The clones aren't quite as good as the S4's but still not bad. Compare the S4 par to regular par can? I find light output to be pretty much of a muchness - the output is still shaped, especially on the medium & wide angles, but the VNS lens gives a very nice clean and sharp beam. So, for me, the lower wattage, smaller size, comparable bubble costs and choice of quick-change lenses (that can be easily adjusted with the lens ring) means the S4's (and clones) are hands-down winners. Yes, there's still a place for Par 64's, and we still have around 30 in stock, but with a choice, I'd go for more S4's now. TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Kyle > Dugger > Sent: 27 January 2006 21:13 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What your opinions comparing a 1000kw par and an ETC 575w instrument. I > have been asked by someone who is looking to buy a lighting rig that > will be ued for rock n roll to corporate type events. What would be > their best bank for the buck. Power consumpstion is a pretty big issue > as is the quality of the instruments. > > Any suggestions? > > kyle dugger > ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: RE: 1000kw par vs 575 ETC par Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jason > Tollefson > Sent: 29 January 2006 23:33 > To: Stagecraft As it happens, most of the last S4 clones I bought were a sort of dark chrome..... TD ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:01:42 -0500 Hello, The Obsession also puts out basic MIDI commands as well. For a low cue show, this may work just as well. There are some audio programs out there that will just use a MIDI trigger. It may also be a little less expensive then the show control option. Just something else to think about. - Mike D ATD Theatreworks ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601291639kb102efbh5cabe67c7d032665 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:39:08 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Looking for a carpenter with a shop >>>>So... any 1-2 person scene shops in the greater Portland, OR, USA interested in starting a project immediately? Please contact me off-list - before theflamers start saying any show that has a budget less than $10,000 is notworth doing... :) <<<< You know, if it weren't for the fact you were halfway across the globe from me, I'd a done it!!! I wouldn't even ask for travel and per diem! :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4D0D6749-26B5-412E-8B60-47E2C83B53D3 [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:39:18 -0500 On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:43 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Job titles are sometimes funny, too. Gaffer I understand, but where > did 'best > boy' come from? When you called for an assistant to the gaffer, he always asked to have sent over "your best boy". --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DD6807.8000504 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:12:39 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 12:37 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote: >> Wireless power supplies are always at the top of my list, > > I'm now working with the rash of clients that need tiny wireless devices > that run for very long times on small batteries. Of course, they expect > the unit to be running (not hibernating) most of the time. Anyone have > a source for the batteries they used in the Star Trek communicators? > > Mentioning batteries, my lithium-polymer charger board is working great > (nice to have SOMETHING work on the first try). It came out at 0.625" x > 1.25", charges up to 2000mA-H batteries, and delivers regulated 3V to > the load at up to 100mA. I'm almost considering mating these to > batteries as a ready-to-go battery pack for stagecraft projects. With a > 200mA-H battery these come out to 0.7" x 0.6" x 1.25" including the two > status LEDs. The 5V to power the charger comes from a normal wall-wort. > For a steady power draw, such as a wireless belt pack, take a look at the alcohol fuel cells. they are well worth looking at. one of the magazines I got recently did their cover story on them. If I can find it, it had a list of companies that were making these micro fuel cells. Instead of replacing batteries, just have to squeeze in a squirt of alcohol. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:20:23 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale > Farmer > For a steady power draw, such as a wireless belt pack, take a > look at the alcohol fuel cells. they are well worth looking at. > one of the magazines I got recently did their cover story on them. > If I can find it, it had a list of companies that were making these > micro fuel cells. Instead of replacing batteries, just have to > squeeze in a squirt of alcohol. > > --Dale Er, would they work with a squirt of recycled alcohol.................???? 8-)))))))))) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DD6C13.4000808 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:29:55 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think References: In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale >> Farmer >> For a steady power draw, such as a wireless belt pack, take a >> look at the alcohol fuel cells. they are well worth looking at. >> one of the magazines I got recently did their cover story on them. >> If I can find it, it had a list of companies that were making these >> micro fuel cells. Instead of replacing batteries, just have to >> squeeze in a squirt of alcohol. >> >> --Dale > > > Er, would they work with a squirt of recycled alcohol.................???? > > Well, the articles all mentioned Methanol as the alcohol in question. And high percentages of alcohol purity. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DD6B74.4080701 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:27:16 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Looking for a carpenter with a shop References: In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: > off-list - before the flamers start saying any show that has a budget > less than $10,000 is not worth doing... :) You certainly won't get any such flames from me. Our typical production budget is $10,000, and two other groups we work closely with have much smaller budgets. ISTM small theatres are the heart and soul of theatre - giving you alternatives to the huge-budget, huge-ticket-cost megaproductions. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:24 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale > Farmer > Sent: 30 January 2006 01:30 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Deeming wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale > >> Farmer > >> For a steady power draw, such as a wireless belt pack, take a > >> look at the alcohol fuel cells. they are well worth looking at. > >> one of the magazines I got recently did their cover story on them. > >> If I can find it, it had a list of companies that were making these > >> micro fuel cells. Instead of replacing batteries, just have to > >> squeeze in a squirt of alcohol. > >> > >> --Dale > > > > > > Er, would they work with a squirt of recycled > alcohol.................???? > > > > > > Well, the articles all mentioned Methanol as the alcohol > in question. And high percentages of alcohol purity. > > --Dale > Hmmmm.... You DID get my smiley meaning, yes???? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1108.208.51.52.8.1138586262.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:57:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Job Titles From: "Bill Nelson" I played a minor role in Brigadoon a few years ago. For some reason, the director wanted me in the show - so he made up a part. I was listed as an "organic prop". Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DD7396.7070002 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:01:58 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think References: In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale >> Farmer >> Sent: 30 January 2006 01:30 >> To: Stagecraft >> Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think >> >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tony Deeming wrote: >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale >>>> Farmer >>>> For a steady power draw, such as a wireless belt pack, take a >>>> look at the alcohol fuel cells. they are well worth looking at. >>>> one of the magazines I got recently did their cover story on them. >>>> If I can find it, it had a list of companies that were making these >>>> micro fuel cells. Instead of replacing batteries, just have to >>>> squeeze in a squirt of alcohol. >>>> >>>> --Dale >>> >>> Er, would they work with a squirt of recycled >> alcohol.................???? >>> >> Well, the articles all mentioned Methanol as the alcohol >> in question. And high percentages of alcohol purity. >> >> --Dale >> > Hmmmm.... > You DID get my smiley meaning, yes???? > Yes. I just chose to ignore it. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:04:09 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > >> > > Hmmmm.... > > You DID get my smiley meaning, yes???? > > > Yes. I just chose to ignore it. > > --Dale > 8-))))))))))))))))))))))) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Job titles From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm a photon-manipulator And I assume you are aware of FITWE (f-ing in the way electricians) On 1/27/06 12:34 PM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, so far I've learned > > skweek -> sound > squint (or was that skwint?) or sparkies -> LX > wood-butcher -> carpenter > > What other titles do we have? -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:14:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Job titles From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh yeah and an SM friend of mine who is married to an actor always takes offense when I refer to him as a Meat Puppet. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Job titles From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The wife of A friend of mine was on the costume staff for Bway's Beauty and the Beast. I mistakenly thought she was an actress. I had asked her what she did and she said I work on "Beauty" I said oh as what? And she said "The Dresser" I thought she meant the dancing sideboard. On 1/27/06 2:48 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > > I get the most interseting facial expressions when I tell people I work as a > dresser. :) > > Kristi > > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1148.208.51.52.8.1138587944.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:25:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech riders From: "Bill Nelson" > Having toured with straight cams (not G&N reversed) I've found that almost > exactly half of the venues I was in had them reversed. About a third of > those that had them reversed had adaptors. OK. What is the rational for reversing G&N? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43DD7B4A.60504 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:34:50 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Job Titles References: In-Reply-To: I just remembered one: bun-head (dancer). My sound teacher's wife, who was a bun-head herself, had a Theory of Bun-Heads: the bun is actually attached to a threaded rod inside the head, on which is mounted the brain. Every once in a while, the brain works itself loose, and the bun-heads get really dumb. They have to tighten the bun to pull the brain back into solid contact again. Remember, this theory _came_ from a Bun-Head. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1163.208.51.52.8.1138588729.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:38:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Job Titles From: "Bill Nelson" > I just remembered one: bun-head (dancer). I have heard the term applied specifically to ballet dancers. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tail Downs In-reply-to: Message-id: <1276.172.150.30.235.1138589480.squirrel [at] 172.150.30.235> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- > You forgot a couple of steps: > - fly lineset down 'til taildowns are just touching the deck (i.e. > can't lift counterweight arbor any higher) > - replace swivel cheeseboroughs with fixed cheeseboroughs > > Bill or Peter may correct me, but I don't believe swivels are weight- > rated in a sheer situation. They're best used in compression. Cheseboros (TM) are to be used only for pipe positioning. They are not rated to carry a load. To do the swiveling tail-down idea folks should invest in the Doughty full couplers. They have an impressive rating. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1230.208.51.52.8.1138590054.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:00:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tail downs From: "Bill Nelson" > The only dance show I used to do was for a local dance school, and half > the cast were only 4' high, and so I never dared to try. I had to compromise > at about 6', which is less satisfactory. Kids and hot luminaires don't mix. Hm. I will have to remember that the next time I light the local ballet company. I have always used shins - and the youngest dancers are about 6 years old. Never had a problem. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Thomas Schraeder" Cc: ed.hunter [at] Sun.COM Subject: RE: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an Obsession Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:49 -0500 We've just looked into using MIDI to cut our booth crew from 2 to 1 for some of our production load. We have SFX audio software and ETC Expression consoles in both our spaces. While it was possible to use the light console to trigger the sound cues, we thought it a better system to use the SFX to trigger light cues. (Yes, SFX is much more pricey than than SCS.) For us, it seemed easier to insert light cues into the SFX cue list than to have MIDI triggers in the Expression. This probably varies with software and hardware. The concept takes some getting used to and calls for some planning. We determined that trying to merge the two cue lists before tech would really slow down the tech process, so we'd need a "merge session" to put the two lists together before the last dress rehearsal. We'll be trying this out on the remaining productions in our calendar. Hope this is helpful. Tom Schraeder Lighting Design Wayne State University Theatre 4841 Cass Ave., Suite 3225 Detroit, MI 48202 313-577-7908 - office 313-577-0935 - fax >From: Edward Hunter >Reply-To: Edward Hunter >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Looking for solutions to use show control to run sound cues off an >Obsession >Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:13:43 -0800 (PST) > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I'd like to be able to use the MSC go's off my Obsession to run sound cues >off a >laptop. I'm trying to assemble a list of options to look at. Since I'm >just >looking at running sound something simple (i.e. inexpensive) should do the >trick. What packages would you all recommend I look at. In my web >searching >I've found something called SCS-professional that would seem to do the >trick. >Anything else I should look at? Thanks. >-edh > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: tech riders Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:27:55 -0800 It seems it is an east coast west coast thing, east coast want the g and n reversed, west coast straight forward male to source. Just like your anything you plug in male to source including your house. Computers are different world. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nelson" > > Having toured with straight cams (not G&N reversed) I've found that > > almost > > exactly half of the venues I was in had them reversed. About a third of > > those that had them reversed had adaptors. > > OK. What is the rational for reversing G&N? > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #673 *****************************