Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27322808; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:01:20 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #679 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:00:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #679 1. Re: redirect of attention by MissWisc [at] aol.com 2. Re: sizing drops by James Feinberg 3. redirect of attention by b Ricie 4. lighting and genesis by Judy 5. Re: lighting and genesis by Mike Brubaker 6. Re: Job titles by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 7. Re: lighting and genesis by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 8. Re: lighting and genesis by "Jon Ares" 9. Re: lighting and genesis by "Michael Banvard" 10. Re: lighting and genesis by Bill Sapsis 11. Re: sizing drops - ARGO info by Bruce Purdy 12. Re: sizing drops - ARGO info by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: lighting and genesis by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: sizing drops by 15. Fake Bolt Heads by Shell Dalzell 16. Re: lighting and genesis by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: lighting and genesis by "RD" 18. Re: Mic stand recommendations... by CB 19. Re: Tech Riders by CB 20. In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by CB 21. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: redirect of attention by CB 23. Re: redirect of attention by Mike Brubaker 24. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by "RD" 25. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by Bruce Purdy 26. Re: redirect of attention by Stephen Litterst 27. Re: lighting and genesis by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 28. Re: Job titles by Greg Williams 29. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: lighting and genesis by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 31. Genesis..... by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: Job titles by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: side lighting by "Bill Nelson" 34. Re: side lighting by Delbert Hall 35. Re: tech riders by "Bill Nelson" 36. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: tech riders by Jerry Durand 38. Re: tech riders by "Bill Nelson" 39. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 40. Re: Job titles by "Bill Nelson" 41. Re: tech riders by "Bill Nelson" 42. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by "Bill Nelson" 43. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by "Bill Nelson" 44. Re: tech riders by Dale Farmer 45. Re: Burning Bases by Duane Turner 46. Re: side lighting by Bill Sapsis 47. Re: End Caps vs. Couplings - was side lighting by "Jon Lagerquist" 48. Re: side lighting by Paul Schreiner 49. Re: side lighting by Stephen Litterst 50. Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by "Stuart Baulch" 51. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by Dale Farmer 52. Re: side lighting by Bill Sapsis 53. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by Herrick Goldman 54. Re: sizing drops by SS 55. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by SS 56. Re: charring lamp sockets by June Abernathy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.468a615.3115994b [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:44:43 EST Subject: Re: redirect of attention theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: << The article doesn't say anything about paid leave. Quite the opposite, actually: "George Sauter, district superintendent, said Waggoner is not in danger of losing her job." Do you have an additional source of information? >> What's told to the newspaper and what really happens in these situations are sometimes not the same. Kristi ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4af404a31155826bc795e28e2f2ff92b [at] sandiego.edu> From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: sizing drops Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:42:47 -0800 I'm sure they charge an arm and a leg for it, but I believe I saw Argo Starch in a RoseBrand catalog... --James Feinberg University of San Diego On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:39 AM, LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks to all for the information. I forwarded it to the art teacher. I > did some prelim. phone calls to grocery, fabric and craft stores and > haven't found the Argo yet. But she will look around over the weekend. > Thanks again, I love this list. > > Les > > Les Lind > Northeastern High School > Manchester, PA > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060204145926.15255.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: redirect of attention In-Reply-To: >>Perhaps the new conservative Supreme >Court will go ahead and remove that pesky law. CB ASKED: >Ehm, other than this being the subject of many fine >plays and all, >we're >treading dangerously close to subject matter that >doesn't pertain to >Stagecraft too much. Although, the consequences of >this kind of >politic >would definitely impact the theatre and the rest of >the arts community. >I >do have to ask, though, what law? Just to clear things up, the original post was theatrical in nature , not political or religious. I made a comment about how I noticed the Religion channel was dark during the State of the Union address. Out of curiosity I checked back a number of times and the channel remained dark through the entire speech. Hence the title of the post. Sota how we make our audience look where WE want them to look. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E4DE94.8020701 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:20 +0200 From: Judy Subject: lighting and genesis > > >...And I'll remind you that, according to Genesis, the first thing he >created was lighting design. > Well, actually, the first thing he DID was lighting design, wasn't it? Makes us actually the oldest profession! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.0.20060204123950.01d9e6b0 [at] insightbb.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:13 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: lighting and genesis In-Reply-To: References: According to my copy, "In the beginning God created heaven and earth." Followed in verse three by "God said, 'Let there be light' and there was light. God saw that light was good." Based on that, I would contend that the oldest profession is that of the Technical Director. Followed by the Stage Manager, then the Light Board Operator. With final approval by, clearly, the Lighting Designer. Clearly, however, this is a small community theatre--one person doing it all! Mike At 12:04 PM 2/4/2006, Judy wrote: >...And I'll remind you that, according to Genesis, the first thing he >>created was lighting design. >Well, actually, the first thing he DID was lighting design, wasn't it? >Makes us actually the oldest profession! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c629b3$9cf9f6f0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > "Look, kid, there are two ways to do this. My way, and my > way when I'm really pissed off. But you get to choose." MOB > has given you this tool, now you need to know when to use it. > Coulda saved you thirteen minutes... Another variation: "I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert on the way I want things done." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1339428.1139075914826.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: lighting and genesis Sounds about right - scenery gets loaded in, then comes focus, then props. The actors arrive onstage for First Tech, then costumes get added into the mix. ; ) "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- > >According to my copy, "In the beginning God created heaven and >earth." Followed in verse three by "God said, 'Let there be light' >and there was light. God saw that light was good." > >Based on that, I would contend that the oldest profession is that of >the Technical Director. Followed by the Stage Manager, then the >Light Board Operator. With final approval by, clearly, the Lighting >Designer. Clearly, however, this is a small community theatre--one >person doing it all! > >Mike ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c629b6$7fd41530$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: lighting and genesis Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:12:03 -0800 > Sounds about right - scenery gets loaded in, then comes focus, then > props. The actors arrive onstage for First Tech, then costumes get > added into the mix. ; ) Yeah, and the whole thing about being kicked out of Eden for taking the apple... well, the Stage Manager DID tell them not to touch the props!! (I was trying to figure out how the snake could be a Producer, but....) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: RE: lighting and genesis Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:19:41 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c629b7$915e05d0$8c00a8c0 [at] Gelert2> In-Reply-To: My question is, since the publicists and the dramaturges of the Christian faith came along generations after Eden: has this whole thing been a losing venture, as far as income? All the take at the door seems to go to the office staff and decorating the foyer. Eventually, the big lamp in the sky is going to burn out, and we're not gonna have the money to buy a replacement. And who sells the 1x10^1,000,000 kW lamps, anyway? We've already got holes burned in the gel, at the North and South poles. Stopping before I take this analogy further than too far, - Michael Banvard SD/TD, Saint Louis University High School, Saint Louis, MO >> Sounds about right - scenery gets loaded in, then comes focus, then >> props. The actors arrive onstage for First Tech, then costumes get >> added into the mix. ; ) > >Yeah, and the whole thing about being kicked out of Eden for taking the apple... well, the Stage >Manager DID tell them not to touch the props!! (I was trying to figure out how the snake could be a >Producer, but....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: lighting and genesis From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Too Late! :-) www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 2/4/06 1:19 PM, "Michael Banvard" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > My question is, since the publicists and the dramaturges of the Christian > faith came along generations after Eden: has this whole thing been a losing > venture, as far as income? All the take at the door seems to go to the > office staff and decorating the foyer. > > Eventually, the big lamp in the sky is going to burn out, and we're not > gonna have the money to buy a replacement. And who sells the 1x10^1,000,000 > kW lamps, anyway? We've already got holes burned in the gel, at the North > and South poles. > > Stopping before I take this analogy further than too far, > - Michael Banvard > SD/TD, Saint Louis University High School, > Saint Louis, MO > > > >>> Sounds about right - scenery gets loaded in, then comes focus, then >>> props. The actors arrive onstage for First Tech, then costumes get >>> added into the mix. ; ) >> >> Yeah, and the whole thing about being kicked out of Eden for taking the > apple... well, the Stage >> Manager DID tell them not to touch the props!! (I was trying to figure out > how the snake could be a >> Producer, but....) > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:42:46 -0500 Subject: Re: sizing drops - ARGO info From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > ARGO corn starch is usually found near flour in grocery stores. It comes in > one pound boxes (yellow with a native-American dressed as an ear of corn on > the front) As someone mentioned, it makes a great thickener for roux and > gravy, makes great fruit gels for pie, and is good for a variety of other > cooking > applications. It's also an excellent substitute for talcum powder as it will > dry the moisture without damaging the lungs like talc can. Made by Best Foods > Division CPC international, Inc. Englewood CLiffs NJ 07632-9976 THANK YOU! The name "Argo laundry starch" mislead me - and it appears others as well. I have a box in the kitchen cupboard, but always just thought of it a "Corn starch" without considering the brand name. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: Re: sizing drops - ARGO info From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I believe we are getting ourselves confused. > Argo Corn Starch (food) is NOT Argo Laundry Starch (not food) > > Google for those two phrases. > > Curt, who makes an occasional gravy and sizes an occasional drop. OK, never mind. I'll never learn to finish reading all the incoming posts before replying to any! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: lighting and genesis Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:02:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c629bd$8e663ae0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > the props!! (I > was trying to figure out how the snake could be a Producer, but....) How could he be anything else? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c629bd$dd445ac0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re: sizing drops Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:04:15 -0600 Organization: Minnesota Ballet Sorry for the late response (I'm a digester) and I know that the discussion went to starch quickly, but I had to jump in on the wallpaper paste. All the drops I've sized we used high quality diluted latex with a small amount of color. But I do have one drop from before I came to the Minnesota Ballet that was sized with wallpaper paste. I'm sure that on a flat it's not an issue but with a drop the folding action allows the dried paste to crack and flake off, and it's bye-bye paint. It could be that the solution was too thick of wallpaper paste......but the drop looks like crap now. I just want to warn against wallpaper paste on drops. Kenneth Pogin Production Manager Minnesota Ballet ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5920346D-72F6-4DB2-93AE-DA1090634781 [at] hawaii.rr.com> From: Shell Dalzell Subject: Fake Bolt Heads Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:12:18 -1000 Don't know what kind of bolt heads you want but I just made a bucket full of hex head. I took a piece of 1x1, ripped it to a hexagonal cross section, then cross cut pieces on the band saw. It took about a half hour and looked great on stage. Aloha, Shell sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com On Feb 3, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > > I am looking for a source for fake bolt heads, either 3/8 or 1/2. > I tried= > google with no results. > > Joe Golden > Sent from my Treo ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c629c7$404544f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: lighting and genesis Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:11:57 -0800 >> was trying to figure out how the snake could be a Producer, but....) > > How could he be anything else? > Yes but... what was a PRODUCER doing backstage?? Must have gotten lost on the way to the parking lot (or the bank).... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: lighting and genesis Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:28:15 -0700 Message-ID: <017d01c629c9$876a8c30$6400a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Perhaps, he chortled, it is the viva la difference, between the "whaling wall" and the "wailing wall." Maybe not. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Banvard Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: lighting and genesis For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- My question is, since the publicists and the dramaturges of the Christian faith came along generations after Eden: has this whole thing been a losing venture, as far as income? All the take at the door seems to go to the office staff and decorating the foyer. Eventually, the big lamp in the sky is going to burn out, and we're not gonna have the money to buy a replacement. And who sells the 1x10^1,000,000 kW lamps, anyway? We've already got holes burned in the gel, at the North and South poles. Stopping before I take this analogy further than too far, - Michael Banvard SD/TD, Saint Louis University High School, Saint Louis, MO >> Sounds about right - scenery gets loaded in, then comes focus, then >> props. The actors arrive onstage for First Tech, then costumes get >> added into the mix. ; ) > >Yeah, and the whole thing about being kicked out of Eden for taking the apple... well, the Stage >Manager DID tell them not to touch the props!! (I was trying to figure out how the snake could be a >Producer, but....) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060204135345.00d1bd50 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:53:45 From: CB Subject: RE: Mic stand recommendations... >You mean I shouldn't be taping the cable to the stand with duct tape or >masking tape? > > Go stand in the corner, and think about what you've done! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060204135607.00d1bd50 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:56:07 From: CB Subject: RE: Tech Riders >Careful now. According to Darwin, the few idiots that do survive will >live to breed better idiots. As opposed to the crowds of idiots that are 'protected by law' today that are breeding like flies? Darwin would spin in his grave if he could see the state of 'advancement' the race is going through! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060204144200.00d1bd50 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:42:00 From: CB Subject: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) >...And I'll remind you that, according to Genesis, the first thing he >created was lighting design. I think thw quote you are looking for is from Genesis (the book, not Phil' lil band) 1/3, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." I'd contest that com was already in, and the PA was functioning just fine, thank you very much. The skweeks were probably already on their first smoke break by this time. God gave his first cue, and everyone heard it and carried it out. Not only was sound there from the beginning, but we continue to get ignored and forgotten for our everlasting contributions. I won't even get into how humble we are, and how much we don't whine... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) In-reply-to: Message-id: <43E5216A.6000500 [at] ithaca.edu> References: CB wrote: > I'd contest that com was already in, and the PA was functioning just fine, > thank you very much. The skweeks were probably already on their first smoke > break by this time. God gave his first cue, and everyone heard it and > carried it out. Don't forget that someone had to hang the speakers. Riggers are always first in, last out. They'll be having a smoke break with the cockroaches, just waiting for us squints to strike that last light so they can pull the points and hit the bar. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060204145558.00d1bd50 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:55:58 From: CB Subject: Re: redirect of attention ><< You know, that pesky Church and State thingy... what was it called? >> > > >That would be the First Amendment to the Consitution of the United States of >Amercia, AKA #1 of the Bill of Rights. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" and it does go on about free speech, press, assembly and the right to redress grievances. While it does say that congress isn't allowed to make a law that establishes a religion, or a law that prohibits anyone from exercising their religion as they see fit, it doesn't really address the whole church/state seperation thing. I guess we could apply this to the whole 'director assuming things from the script that aren't laid out literally' discussion to make it topical, but it still doesn' adress that fact that there isn't a law that separates church and state in this country. Its a good idea, sure, but it isn't a law. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.0.20060204165725.01dfc008 [at] insightbb.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:01:15 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: redirect of attention In-Reply-To: References: There are a series of court decisions interpreting this very amendment that ARE law. Just not law as written by Congress. Still law, though. I am sure that there are those here (Richard?) than can probably cite the major cases. The Constitution of the United States cannot truly be cited in a vacuum. It has been interpreted and reinterpreted over the past 228 years by the Supreme Court. Mike At 09:55 AM 2/4/2006, CB wrote: >it still doesn' adress that fact that there isn't a law that separates >church and state in this country. Its a good idea, sure, but it isn't a >law. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:04:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01cd01c629d6$f6feed40$6400a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Light. Lux lucis, not design. I think He had that in mind, if you will, long before that. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:42 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >...And I'll remind you that, according to Genesis, the first thing he >created was lighting design. I think thw quote you are looking for is from Genesis (the book, not Phil' lil band) 1/3, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." I'd contest that com was already in, and the PA was functioning just fine, thank you very much. The skweeks were probably already on their first smoke break by this time. God gave his first cue, and everyone heard it and carried it out. Not only was sound there from the beginning, but we continue to get ignored and forgotten for our everlasting contributions. I won't even get into how humble we are, and how much we don't whine... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:04:52 -0500 Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Don't forget that someone had to hang the speakers. Riggers are always > first in, last out. Now wait a minute - the facility TD - or whoever in your facility holds the keys - is the first one in and the last one out! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:13:10 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: redirect of attention In-reply-to: Message-id: <43E526F6.8060105 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

Mike Brubaker wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > There are a series of court decisions interpreting this very amendment > that ARE law. Just not law as written by Congress. Still law, though. > I am sure that there are those here (Richard?) than can probably cite > the major cases. Court decisions are precedent, not law. It's a subtle, yet real difference. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:31:36 GMT Subject: Re: lighting and genesis Message-Id: <20060204.143149.17584.61392 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> I think that the Producer has a far more celebrated role in this show. /s/ Richard ______________________________ I was trying to figure out how the snake could be a Producer, but....) How could he be anything else? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2B4E04FA-3810-4D25-8F1C-787D97D15565 [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Job titles Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:59:28 -0500 On Feb 4, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > > Another variation: > > "I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert on the > way I > want things done." Yet another variation: "There are probably at least 100 people who know this task better than I do, but since none of those people happen to be in this room, we'll just do it my way..." -=Greg=- ----We're at it again!!!---- Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/ EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:21:39 EST Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) In a message dated 04/02/06 21:41:01 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > I think thw quote you are looking for is from Genesis (the book, not Phil' > lil band) 1/3, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Go back a little further. "And the Earth was without form, and void, and the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters." It sounds like an old-fashioned Broadway get-in, when all you got was the four walls of the theatre. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:23:44 GMT Subject: Re: lighting and genesis Message-Id: <20060204.152427.17584.61505 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Nope. the oldest profession is the one that God led by example and then = commanded producers to do -- create (theatrical) life! As to whom is all= owed to officially communicate to God ON THE RECORD, the the answer was = made clear by Carlotta O'Neil: Playwrights speak to the masses, Dramatis= ts speak to God. This appears to be a truism. /s/ Richard ____________________________ According to my copy, "In the beginning God created heaven and = earth." Followed in verse three by "God said, 'Let there be light' = and there was light. God saw that light was good." Based on that, I would contend that the oldest profession is that of = the Technical Director. = Mike ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: Genesis..... Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Not to put too fine a point on this, but there's a rather poignant episode documented under the following: www dot abbeytheatre dot co dot uk - take the "Theatre Fun" link and then "Jokes 6"..... Enjoy! TD ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.1ab2aad3.31169307 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:30:15 EST Subject: Re: Job titles In a message dated 04/02/06 23:00:29 GMT Standard Time, gwilliams [at] appstate.edu writes: > > "I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert on the > > way I > > want things done." I like this one best. Good shows don't get done without an autocrat across them. Nor without a management structure that makes this possible. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1177.208.51.52.68.1139097920.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: side lighting From: "Bill Nelson" >> Yeah, I know. It is just more secure than a rope hitch on the top of a >> pipe without any pipe cap. > > I'm not sure of that. A proper hitch is secure up to half the breaking > strain > of the rope, and maybe more. This only works for hemp. Knots in wire rope > are bad news. By, "secure", I meant less likely to slip or readjust. This is especially true if the load on the line is not continuous. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:34:06 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: side lighting In-Reply-To: References:

> > Knots in wire rope are bad news. > A circus hitch in wire rope will hold 60% of the breaking strength of the wire rope. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1208.208.51.52.68.1139100009.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech riders From: "Bill Nelson" > Testing earth connections is hard, and a multimeter won't do it safely. To > fulfil its role, an earth bond needs to be able to carry enough current to > operate the disconnect quickly. Under fault conditions, this may well be > thousands of amps. Actually, there should never be current on the ground conductor. If there is, then there is a serious fault. > UK practice is to test at 25A; given your lower voltages and higher > currents, > maybe 50A would be right. That is fine, for acceptance testing. But it is unrealistic when you go into a house to rig a show. Many houses have mostly 2400 watt dimmers, which is only 20 amps. I am not going to pack a 2500 watt heater around to test current capability before doing my circuiting. Nor am I going to intentionally overload the dimmers to make sure the circuit breakers all function properly. The best I can do is use my tester to make sure the hot conductor is in the proper place, then trust that the neutral and ground are also correct. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1216.208.51.52.68.1139100608.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" >> But that still does not eliminate a major risk - improper connection at >> the distribution panel itself. I believe someone mentioned where an >> electrician connected the neutral or ground pigtail to a phase bus in >> the panel. > > I should like to think that this is a minor risk. Electricians are paid > not to do this sort of thing, and contractors of proven competence should > always be used. I was referring to when a show comes in and pigtails are connected in the company box to supply power for the show's lighting/sound equipment. Not all houses have (or even want) permanently installed camlocks. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: tech riders Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:50:07 -0800 On Feb 4, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Bill Nelson wrote: > Many houses have mostly 2400 watt dimmers, > which is only 20 amps. I am not going to pack a 2500 watt heater > around to > test current capability before doing my circuiting. When we put in a new main breaker panel at our house, the inspector had a blow-dryer (1500W) with big insulated clips instead of a power plug. With the house completely disconnected from the mains, he clipped the drier between the house ground wire and one of the incoming hot wires. He said he could tell by the sound of the blower that we had a proper ground stake. Simple, quick. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1225.208.51.52.68.1139101010.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech riders From: "Bill Nelson" > When we put in a new main breaker panel at our house, the inspector > had a blow-dryer (1500W) with big insulated clips instead of a power > plug. With the house completely disconnected from the mains, he > clipped the drier between the house ground wire and one of the > incoming hot wires. He said he could tell by the sound of the blower > that we had a proper ground stake. > > Simple, quick. And, while probably better than nothing, not very reliable. The mains handle far more than about 15 amps - so all it does is show that there is a ground connection good enough for that load. It does not tell the inspector whether the connectors/stake are good for a 200 amp load. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1242.208.51.52.68.1139101876.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:11:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" > There's also all the panels where the installer didn't know/forgot to > remove the shorting strap. Remember that the strap/screw for shorting the common lead to the ground/cabinet remains in place at the main distribution panel. The strap is only removed for subpanels. That is something that the electrical inspector should have on his/her checklist. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1258.208.51.52.68.1139102599.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Job titles From: "Bill Nelson" > What a coincidence this thread is running... just last night as my crew > and > I are setting up an onstage monitor, and determining placement, this 'kid' > (16-17, and who I don't know - not on my crew)) starts throwing in his two > cents. Among other things, he tips the monitor over so its face is > perpendicular to the stage floor... I tip it back up and he makes some > comment about how that won't work, because the sound will go 'up,' and I > said yes, up to where their faces are - not to where their shoes are. He > goes on to say, "I know what I'm doing - I do sound at my church." After > about 15 minutes of his "expert" opinion, I wanted to wring his neck. The response here is: "Correction. You just THINK you know what you are doing. After you get another 10-20 years of experience, you just MIGHT start getting a clue." Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1264.208.51.52.68.1139102866.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech riders From: "Bill Nelson" > If I ever get my Cam-Lok to DMX adaptor built, you could check your Distro > feeds with a DMX tester. Get a Cam-Lok to Midi - then you can automate it from the sound board. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1279.208.51.52.68.1139103570.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:39:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) From: "Bill Nelson" > Nice work. You know I needed it, too! > Go here: Shouldn't the welder be labeled "Work Light"? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1285.208.51.52.68.1139103608.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) From: "Bill Nelson" Or maybe that should be "Flashlight". Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E55853.8090209 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:43:47 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: tech riders References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> If I ever get my Cam-Lok to DMX adaptor built, you could check your Distro >> feeds with a DMX tester. > > Get a Cam-Lok to Midi - then you can automate it from the sound board. > > Bill I was at the ALPS open house a couple of days ago. Union Connector was there demoing their new company switch that had a widget in it that tripped the breaker if someone disconnected one of the cam connectors or opened the access door to the tie-in lugs. On the side was a remote control E-stop button on a cable, and next to the plugs for that, there was a pair of DMX plugs. He said, with a laugh, that they were for controlling the switch. He was also giving away nifty little model trucks with their logo on them. I thought they were cool, and now my nephew has claimed it as his own. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060205014825.11605.qmail [at] web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: Duane Turner Reply-To: Duane Turner Subject: Re: Burning Bases In-Reply-To: Unfortunatly this is a common problem. EHG's are rather ugly when you compair them to HPL's or FLK's. I would replace the bad bases then relamp to FLK's in all the EHG units. As for the S4's... this is not uncommon if the lamps aren't seated well or if the cap isn't seated well. Either way it is usually because of inexperience. Production advantage sells the individual pins to replace. This is a much cheaper option and more times than not only the hot pin is damaged. It takes as much time as replacing the base but it saves a lot of money. I highly recommend this option. Duane Turner Technical Director University of West Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:33:27 -0500 Subject: Re: side lighting From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/4/06 7:34 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > A circus hitch in wire rope will hold 60% of the breaking strength of > the wire rope. That may be but only when it is tied properly. There are very, very few people who actually tie it properly. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:54:14 -0800 Subject: Re: End Caps vs. Couplings - was side lighting Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43E4F856.1440.E7F7BF4 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: References: What we do for this is drill through the pipe a couple of inches from the end. A short cable length is slide into the pipe and a bolt run through the pipe and bolt. Then most of the time we put a nut on the bolt. > For the really anal about this the absolutely, positively and completely > correct way to do this is to use a piece of sleeve pipe. > It would also cost a zillion > dollars; which is why no one ever uses this method. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:09:33 -0500 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Re: side lighting In-Reply-To: References:

> > A circus hitch in wire rope will hold 60% of the breaking strength of > > the wire rope. > > That may be but only when it is tied properly. There are very, very few > people who actually tie it properly. Is this circus hitch of which we're speaking the same thing that was once referred to here a number of years back as a "Foy knot"? I remember following the destructions that someone had posted here for how to tie one and was amazed at how well it held, though I've not tried more than about 150# on it... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: side lighting In-reply-to: Message-id: <2661.172.167.128.151.1139109602.squirrel [at] 172.167.128.151> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- > Is this circus hitch of which we're speaking the same thing that was > once referred to here a number of years back as a "Foy knot"? I > remember following the destructions that someone had posted here for > how to tie one and was amazed at how well it held, though I've not > tried more than about 150# on it... That's the one. When I was with the ballet company, we toured into a venue for years that was poorly rigged. (How poorly? I had to look up the SWL for dog chain, as that's how many of the pipes were rigged). One year they called and told us they had a professional rigger come through and replace all the rigging. Got to the venue and all the dog chain had been replaced with 1/8" wire rope and circus hitches. Steve L. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Stuart Baulch" Subject: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: A quick quote from and a link to an article of interest and amusement http://tinyurl.com/8xwtm "Light exposure to this system, particularly blue light, directly reduces sleepiness,� said Steven Lockley of the Brigham and Women's Hospital. �Subjects exposed to blue light were able to sustain a high level of alertness during the night when people usually feel most sleepy, and these results suggest that light may be a powerful countermeasure for the negative effects of fatigue for people who work at night." The study, sponsored by National Space Biomedical Research Institute, is detailed in the Feb. 1 issue of the journal Sleep. Explains a lot... Stuart B ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E57843.10503 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:00:03 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night References: In-Reply-To: Stuart Baulch wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A quick quote from and a link to an article of interest and amusement > http://tinyurl.com/8xwtm > > > "Light exposure to this system, particularly blue light, directly reduces > sleepiness,� said Steven Lockley of the Brigham and Women's Hospital. > �Subjects exposed to blue light were able to sustain a high level of > alertness during the night when people usually feel most sleepy, and these > results suggest that light may be a powerful countermeasure for the negative > effects of fatigue for people who work at night." > > The study, sponsored by National Space Biomedical Research Institute, is > detailed in the Feb. 1 issue of the journal Sleep. > > > Explains a lot... > > Stuart B > > > > Was it Congo Blue? --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:22:02 -0500 Subject: Re: side lighting From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/4/06 10:09 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> A circus hitch in wire rope will hold 60% of the breaking strength of >>> the wire rope. >> >> That may be but only when it is tied properly. There are very, very few >> people who actually tie it properly. > > Is this circus hitch of which we're speaking the same thing that was > once referred to here a number of years back as a "Foy knot"? I > remember following the destructions that someone had posted here for > how to tie one and was amazed at how well it held, though I've not > tried more than about 150# on it... Some people have called it a Foy knot. Peter hated hearing that as he did not invent it nor did he teach it to anyone other than those who worked for him. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:32:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: So...Next time I design Checkov...just about the middle of act II I can shine R83 in the audience's eyes and they'll stay awake to find out what happens to Inga Pashkenovachek? Well thank goodness. >=20 > "Light exposure to this system, particularly blue light, directly reduces > sleepiness,=B2=20 --=20 Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602042140n6787f85ao51b9289333b1083c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:40:02 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: sizing drops In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>I'm sure they charge an arm and a leg for it, but I believe I saw Argo Starch in a RoseBrand catalog...<<<< And right you are my friend. So what exactly does Mr. Feinberg win for play= ing? A 1 lb. box of Argo Laundry Starch for $3.50!! :)- http://tinyurl.com/= dy9vh Actually, that isn't too bad. It's marked up about half, but still not too bad. http://tinyurl.com/7zupn -SS TTS-EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602042151haacfe96xe012a3a28b4da389 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:51:38 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) In-Reply-To: References: >>>> I'd contest that com was already in, and the PA was functioning just fine, thank you very much. The skweeks were probably already on their first smoke break by this time. God gave his first cue, and everyone heard it and carried it out. Not only was sound there from the beginning, but we continue to get ignored and forgotten for our everlasting contributions. I won't even get into how humble we are, and how much we don't whine...<<<< I'm guessing it's about time I heed the advice of the one called Mr. Brian = Rice: >>>Over the time I have been reading this list I have learned to sip my coffee between posts. By doing so, I no longer have to clean said coffee off my computer.<<< Thanks CB, got a rag?! :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060205081426.96567.qmail [at] web35314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: charring lamp sockets As others have said, yes, it happens. In the older lamps, that take the EHG's, a common cause besides improperly seated lamps was overlamping - very common for a unit designed to hold a 750w lamp to be lamped with a 1K, for example. Have they possibly been exposed to an unusual amount of moisture or humidity? Because that can contribute to this problem. In any kind of leko, a lamp not seated well is asking for trouble with arcing and eventually socket/pin damage to the point of failure. This can happen not only because a lamp was not properly seated when installed, but because they can wiggle loose over time, either through repeated heating and cooling, or by being bumped along in a storage rack or on a pallet dolly or (worst of all :) ) on a truck. I'm surprised that so many people on the list are surpised that you are having this problem with S4 units. The reason that newer S4s have those little retaining wires for the lamp is that the original units were so notorious for this very problem. It's less common with the retaining wires, for sure, but it still happens. Short term/light damage solution? You can clean out the holes in the socket with a rat tail file and maybe a squirt of contact cleaner and clean off a slightly bad pin with sandpaper. This solution typically won't last, but it might get you through a show. Or a weekend. Longer term - yeah, you need to replace the socket. And the lamp. Because, as someone else said, even if a new lamp works in a grungy socket, it won't for long. And a crusty lamp may work in another unit/socket, but you are passing along the infection, so don't do that. Most theatrical suppliers carry replacement sockets. I haven't tried Production Advantage's high temp sockets, but they sound like they are definately worth a shot. And, if you have a bunch of older model S4 units without the retaining wires, it might be worth investing in retrofitting them. If you do have them, it's definately worth making sure that those who relamp in your facility understand how to properly place those wires. There is a school of thought that smearing a little dielectric gel in the socket and/or on the pins before lamp insertion will retard corrosion. Might be worth a try. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #679 *****************************