Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27351430; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:01:25 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #680 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:01:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #680 1. Re: side lighting by Eric Rouse 2. Re: End Caps vs. Couplings - was side lighting by Brian Munroe 3. Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams by Eric Rouse 4. Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams by Brian Munroe 5. Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams by Bill Sapsis 6. Re: side lighting by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 7. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 8. Re: tech riders by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 9. Re: tech riders by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 10. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Re: side lighting by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: tech rider by Dale Farmer 13. Re: side lighting by Bill Sapsis 14. Ground Cloth (was sizing drops) by Kevin Holly 15. Re: tech rider by Dan Mills 16. B'way restaurant closings by John McKernon 17. charring lamp sockets by "David R. Krajec" 18. Re: side lighting by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Ground Cloth (was sizing drops) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. the subject was starch by "David R. Krajec" 22. Re: the subject was starch by Mark O'Brien 23. Super bowl halftime show. by Bill Sapsis 24. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Greg Williams 25. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 26. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by stevedecker [at] mac.com 27. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Delbert Hall 28. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Jerry Durand 29. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Bill Sapsis 30. Re: the subject was starch by John McKernon 31. Re: charring lamp sockets by Brian Aldous 32. Re: charring lamp sockets by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 33. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by jon weaver 34. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by jon weaver 35. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 36. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by rwhitco [at] comcast.net 38. Re: tech rider by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <41f080680602050853u56e02a94s466ded5d7e1e2364 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:53:57 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: side lighting In-Reply-To: References:

> Some people have called it a Foy knot. Peter hated hearing that as he di= d > not invent it nor did he teach it to anyone other than those who worked f= or > him. > > Bill S. I have to admit, when I worked at Foy I did use that knot a lot. I always hesitated to use it in places where I felt that people may try to duplicate it unsuccessfully. I always called it a circus knot, though. I never used it to hang a rig, just for temporary stuff or breasting lines. I don't get many opportunities to talk about the circus knot in my rigging classes so this is kind of cathartic. While bored one day at work, I did a couple knots tied to 3/8" shackles and put them in our pull tester. They all broke very close to the breaking strength of the 1/8" cable. Peter was not too pleased when he found out how I was wasting company time......... Eric ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:25:07 -0500 From: Brian Munroe Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com Subject: Re: End Caps vs. Couplings - was side lighting In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/4/06, Jon Lagerquist wrote: > What we do for this is drill through the pipe a couple of inches from > the end. A short cable length is slide into the pipe and a bolt run > through the pipe and bolt. Then most of the time we put a nut on the > bolt. "Most of the time" you use a nut? Didn't realize they were optional.=20 I hope use are using a rated bolt as well. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680602050943o265c8f45kf90a495dbd403dee [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:43:49 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams In-Reply-To: References:

I can't seem to find info on how much the test costs. Am I correct in remembering the $500 range? Workin out the family budget. Eric -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:51:23 -0500 From: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/5/06, Eric Rouse wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I can't seem to find info on how much the test costs. Am I correct in > remembering the $500 range? Workin out the family budget. > > Eric $500 for 1 test (arena or theatrical) if you are a member of some of the sponsering organizations (IATSE, ESTA, USITT, etc), $600 for 1 test if you are not. Taking the 2nd test withing a year gets a $200 discount ($300 for members, $400 non-members). Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:58:44 -0500 Subject: Re: New ETCP Rigging Exams From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The test costs $600 but there is a $100 discount if you belong to any of the ETCP Council member organizations/companies. This includes: ESTA USITT IATSE IAAM AMPTE CITT InfoComm TEA The League of American Theatres and Producers Clear Channel PRG Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 2/5/06 12:43 PM, "Eric Rouse" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I can't seem to find info on how much the test costs. Am I correct in > remembering the $500 range? Workin out the family budget. > > Eric > > -- > Eric Rouse > TD-Penn State University > State College, PA ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20b.11eab00b.3117a1dd [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:45:49 EST Subject: Re: side lighting In a message dated 05/02/06 00:34:44 GMT Standard Time, delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes: > A circus hitch in wire rope will hold 60% of the breaking strength of > the wire rope. You surprise me. Knots rely on friction, and wire rope is smooth, and pretty incompressible. This is why hemp is so good. Even for nylon, different knots wre devised when it came in, as it has a much smoother surface. Even more so for monofilament fishing line. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12e.6e99e737.3117a431 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:55:45 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 05/02/06 00:50:40 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > > I should like to think that this is a minor risk. Electricians are paid > > not to do this sort of thing, and contractors of proven competence should > > always be used. > > I was referring to when a show comes in and pigtails are connected in the > company box to supply power for the show's lighting/sound equipment. Not > all houses have (or even want) permanently installed camlocks. I believe that some states require this to be done by a licensed and certified electrician. It's a job I should want done by someone I knew to be careful and competent, not by any old Joe Soap. Never forget that the prime purpose of the ground connection is to save your life. Would you use an unrated harness? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2dd.1bc9f08.3117a61f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:59 EST Subject: Re: tech riders In a message dated 05/02/06 00:51:15 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > When we put in a new main breaker panel at our house, the inspector > had a blow-dryer (1500W) with big insulated clips instead of a power > plug. With the house completely disconnected from the mains, he > clipped the drier between the house ground wire and one of the > incoming hot wires. He said he could tell by the sound of the blower > that we had a proper ground stake. > > Simple, quick. But not terribly accurate. Purpose made testers are available, which use a high current at a low voltage, usually with limit gauge indicators. When we had a major re-wire some years ago, I went round with the contractor who tested each and every outlet with such a device. It also tested polarity. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:09:44 EST Subject: Re: tech riders In a message dated 05/02/06 00:57:33 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > And, while probably better than nothing, not very reliable. The mains > handle far more than about 15 amps - so all it does is show that there is > a ground connection good enough for that load. It does not tell the > inspector whether the connectors/stake are good for a 200 amp load. This really means for an instantaneous fault current of some thousands of amps, if the protection is to operate fast enough. Look at the rupture time against current graphs for the protective devices. It is generally reckoned that a rupture time of 30ms will save life, but there are other things to take into consideration. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42.798672c9.3117ab5f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:26:23 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 05/02/06 01:12:04 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Remember that the strap/screw for shorting the common lead to the > ground/cabinet remains in place at the main distribution panel. The strap > is only removed for subpanels. > > That is something that the electrical inspector should have on his/her > checklist. If I understand this right, you are implying a neutral-to-ground short at the main panel. This is not allowed, in general, in the UK. We have five wires incoming from the company: three lives, a neutral, and an earth. The latter two meet only at the sub-station where the 11KV to 415V transformer is. Within our installation, a neutral-to-earth connection is a fault to be fixed. Some installations may be different. Remote areas may use PME (Protective Mutual Earth), where the neutral is earthed at every pole. In such, neutral and earth are interchangeable. But these are scarcely where you will find heavy loads. It also depends on soil geology. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19d.44d32195.3117acf7 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:33:11 EST Subject: Re: side lighting In a message dated 05/02/06 04:22:46 GMT Standard Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > > Is this circus hitch of which we're speaking the same thing that was > > once referred to here a number of years back as a "Foy knot"? I > > remember following the destructions that someone had posted here for > > how to tie one and was amazed at how well it held, though I've not > > tried more than about 150# on it... > > Some people have called it a Foy knot. Peter hated hearing that as he did > not invent it nor did he teach it to anyone other than those who worked for > him. I'll bite: how do you tie one? I've heard of the Foy knot, but that's all. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E65657.1080104 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:47:35 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: tech rider References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 05/02/06 01:12:04 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > >> Remember that the strap/screw for shorting the common lead to the >> ground/cabinet remains in place at the main distribution panel. The strap >> is only removed for subpanels. >> >> That is something that the electrical inspector should have on his/her >> checklist. > > If I understand this right, you are implying a neutral-to-ground short at the > main panel. This is not allowed, in general, in the UK. We have five wires > incoming from the company: three lives, a neutral, and an earth. The latter two > meet only at the sub-station where the 11KV to 415V transformer is. Within our > installation, a neutral-to-earth connection is a fault to be fixed. > > Some installations may be different. Remote areas may use PME (Protective > Mutual Earth), where the neutral is earthed at every pole. In such, neutral and > earth are interchangeable. But these are scarcely where you will find heavy > loads. It also depends on soil geology. > Yes Frank. We do things differently here in the US. Get over it. If you really want to whinge about poor electrical practices, why don't you go do some shows in third world countries. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:03:40 -0500 Subject: Re: side lighting From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry Frank, but it's one of the things I do not teach. Partially out of respect for Peter and partially because I have found that some people just never get the hang of it. When they tie it wrong stuff falls down. That's bad. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 2/5/06 2:33 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 05/02/06 04:22:46 GMT Standard Time, > bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > >>> Is this circus hitch of which we're speaking the same thing that was >>> once referred to here a number of years back as a "Foy knot"? I >>> remember following the destructions that someone had posted here for >>> how to tie one and was amazed at how well it held, though I've not >>> tried more than about 150# on it... >> >> Some people have called it a Foy knot. Peter hated hearing that as he did >> not invent it nor did he teach it to anyone other than those who worked for >> him. > > I'll bite: how do you tie one? > > I've heard of the Foy knot, but that's all. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:09:13 -0600 From: Kevin Holly Subject: Ground Cloth (was sizing drops) Can anyone point out any differences in sizing a drop vs. sizing a ground cloth. We did a large ground cloth (30' x 50') several years ago that we sized and painted but never really seemed get stiff enough for dancing on--always seemed kind of loose and movable. Any ground cloth sizing tips out there? Thank you, Kevin Holly Technical Director Libertyville High School ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4B3E55F9-D088-4B4B-92E2-5F79DF924116 [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk> From: Dan Mills Subject: Re: tech rider Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:09:31 +0000 On 5 Feb 2006, at 19:26, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > > If I understand this right, you are implying a neutral-to-ground > short at the > main panel. This is not allowed, in general, in the UK. We have > five wires > incoming from the company: three lives, a neutral, and an earth. > The latter two > meet only at the sub-station where the 11KV to 415V transformer is. Have you tried getting a TN-S service lately Frank? All that any of the supply companies will offer around here (Central Liverpool) is TN-C-S (combined neutral and earth as far as the incoming supply cable termination, with the neutral-earth bond being made as part of the suppliers works). So, yes we have 5 wires from the company, but they typically combine the neutral and earth just upstream of where they present them to us. > Some installations may be different. Remote areas may use PME > (Protective > Mutual Earth), where the neutral is earthed at every pole. In such, > neutral and > earth are interchangeable. But these are scarcely where you will > find heavy > loads. It also depends on soil geology. Try to get anything that is NOT PME now, I don't think you will! I am just in the process of having a new 315A per phase (at 240/415 volts) installed for our new space, and TN-C-S is all that is on offer. The only real effect (apart from a lower effective earth impedance) is some additional bonding requirements relating to ensuring safety in the event of an upstream fault in the combined neutral/earth conductor. And that is "protective multiple earth" IIRC. The only real difference between US and UK practice in this regard is that over here the bond is suppliers works, whereas in leftpondia the installer of the main panel does the job. Now I have a sense that leaving it to the panel installer allows a larger number of opportunities for coitus alto involving sub panels and failing to remove the link, but in a correctly installed system there is far more similarity then difference in this area. Regards, Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:37:50 -0500 Subject: B'way restaurant closings From: John McKernon Message-ID: I saw an article today on TheaterManiacom about the closings of McHale's, Barrymore's, and others. It turns out one of the landlords turning out tenants is the Shubert Organization! Here's the link: http://www.theatermania.com/content/news.cfm/story/7607 - John ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: charring lamp sockets Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:15:35 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We'll all do instrument checks before a show. Back in the really old days of mogul bipost lamps, if the fixture wouldn't light up, the ME had to open the fixture and check the lamp. And usually, the lamp was good but there was a lot of charring/arcing on the posts. A few swipes with the emery cloth and you were back in business. Almost everyday saw one or more fixtures that had to have the posts "re-dressed". Most of my inventory is ETC fixtures using the HPL lamp. I haven't had any problem with charring. Could humidity have something to do with this? DK ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.6c9c4158.3117e6a5 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:39:17 EST Subject: Re: side lighting In a message dated 05/02/06 20:04:09 GMT Standard Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > Sorry Frank, but it's one of the things I do not teach. Partially out of > respect for Peter and partially because I have found that some people just > never get the hang of it. When they tie it wrong stuff falls down. > That's bad. It is indeed. Myself, I use no knots that I don't know to work reliably. I have some slight understanding of the principles of knots. I have been known to invent them, notably a hangman's noose that will not slip. OK, there was a wire to a harness, but the appearance was important. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <218.128badd4.3117e86e [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:46:54 EST Subject: Re: Ground Cloth (was sizing drops) In a message dated 05/02/06 20:09:44 GMT Standard Time, kholly [at] mac.com writes: > Can anyone point out any differences in sizing a drop vs. sizing a > ground cloth. We did a large ground cloth (30' x 50') several years > ago that we sized and painted but never really seemed get stiff > enough for dancing on--always seemed kind of loose and movable. Any > ground cloth sizing tips out there? Well, size. Dilute, old-fashioned carpenters glue, made from boiled-up bones. Back when, it was the base for stage paint: so much size, so much whiting, and so much pigment. Our paintshop had three big bins, for size, whiting, and black pigment, plus a gas stove for boiling them up (size needs hot water). Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <13d.240ade6b.3117eb2b [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:58:35 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 05/02/06 20:10:05 GMT Standard Time, dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk writes: > Have you tried getting a TN-S service lately Frank? All that any of > the supply > companies will offer around here (Central Liverpool) is TN-C-S (combined > neutral and earth as far as the incoming supply cable termination, > with the > neutral-earth bond being made as part of the suppliers works). No, I haven't. Virtually all my work has been with older installations. > > > Some installations may be different. Remote areas may use PME > > (Protective > > Mutual Earth), where the neutral is earthed at every pole. In such, > > neutral and > > earth are interchangeable. But these are scarcely where you will > > find heavy > > loads. It also depends on soil geology. > > Try to get anything that is NOT PME now, I don't think you will! > I am just in the process of having a new 315A per phase (at 240/415 > volts) > installed for our new space, and TN-C-S is all that is on offer. > Astnishment reigns. I can say no more. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: the subject was starch Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:16:17 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Two overriding questions has plagued me during this thread about sizing drops. First: What is wrong with using animal/hide glue? Second: I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but doesn't corn starch attract bugs? It is my understanding that wallpaper paste that was made using corn starch was considered not a good thing because cockroaches love cornstarch. I wonder if they like animal glue? Just wondering. DK ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8B17E2C1-5626-44DB-BACB-BE85CC73F3A4 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: the subject was starch Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:20:53 -0700 Funny, I was just sorting though some cabinets in the shop, and I came across a couple of glue pots and a box of glue pellets.... Mark-O On Feb 5, 2006, at 5:16 PM, David R. Krajec wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Two overriding questions has plagued me during this thread about > sizing > drops. > First: What is wrong with using animal/hide glue? > Second: I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but > doesn't corn > starch attract bugs? It is my understanding that wallpaper paste > that was > made using corn starch was considered not a good thing because > cockroaches > love cornstarch. I wonder if they like animal glue? > > Just wondering. > > DK > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:38:50 -0500 Subject: Super bowl halftime show. From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. Let me be the first to say it. Lame. Lame. Lame. What an opportunity...wasted. Ah well. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4E15A046-39D4-4346-9E7A-5BAF8A4FD228 [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:53:07 -0500 On Feb 5, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > OK. Let me be the first to say it. > > Lame. Lame. Lame. > > What an opportunity...wasted. > > Ah well. > Bill S. Oh man, you beat me to it! Aside from the missed audio at the beginning, the missed guitar lead(s), and the dry vocals, it just wasn't much there. Am I the only person who thinks it ironic that the original bad boys did some self-censoring on "Start Me Up", then ended with the song that was censored on the Ed Sullivan show about 150 years ago? -=Greg=- -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:51:56 GMT Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Message-Id: <20060205.175214.10965.64551 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> My favorite part of the show was when Jagger commented that they could h= ave been invited to perform at the first Super Bowl. /s/ Richard OK. Let me be the first to say it. Lame. Lame. Lame. What an opportunity...wasted. Ah well. Bill S. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1B98354C-8A82-427E-96CA-8B427D00F3D0 [at] mac.com> From: stevedecker [at] mac.com Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:54:59 -0800 I would have to agree. That was really sad. Steve Decker Technical Director St. Francis High School Sacramento Ca On Feb 5, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- OK. Let me be the first to say it. Lame. Lame. Lame. What an opportunity...wasted. Ah well. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:08:27 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References:

And other than the one Budweiser commercial with the streaking sheep, the commercials were pretty lame too. -Delbert On 2/5/06, stevedecker [at] mac.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I would have to agree. That was really sad. > > Steve Decker > > Technical Director > St. Francis High School > Sacramento Ca > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK. Let me be the first to say it. > > Lame. Lame. Lame. > > What an opportunity...wasted. > > Ah well. > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country > charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > > > -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:12:52 -0800 On Feb 5, 2006, at 7:08 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > And other than the one Budweiser commercial with the streaking sheep, > the commercials were pretty lame too. I guess it's just as well I was outside welding a blast shield for my hydraulic press (for rockets). I'd forgotten there even was a game this weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:31:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I liked that one, the Burger King "production number" and the Fed Ex "caveman". But the rest were as lame as halftime. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 2/5/06 10:08 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > And other than the one Budweiser commercial with the streaking sheep, > the commercials were pretty lame too. > > -Delbert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:12:10 -0500 Subject: Re: the subject was starch From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> First: What is wrong with using animal/hide glue? It's too stiff and hard, and takes paint badly. Starch stays relatively flexible (which is why you can fold a starched drop) and is a wonderfully silky surface to paint on. >> Second: I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but >> doesn't corn >> starch attract bugs? *Laundry* starch will, too - so you keep it under wraps: We made a batch of starch in the shop one night, tinted it with a bit of red dye, and left it to cool overnight. The next morning, we stirred it and found a lump that just wouldn't dissolve, so one of us kneaded it by hand until he discovered it wasn't a lump of starch at all: It was one very, very pink (and very dead) mouse! But no, once it's on a drop and the drop's been painted, mice and other critters aren't any fonder of it than they are of any fabric. - John McKernon ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1155E2B8-96C9-11DA-8712-000A9592AE20 [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: charring lamp sockets Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:28:48 -0500 Just out of curiosity,,, I have seen toasting of sockets in every variety of unit out there, not just ellipsoidals. Used to see it in medium prefocus sockets in old-style LeKos and 6" fresnels. Just yesterday I faced to be the problem in newer Scourge 4 cap ("750" version) at Symphony Space in the morning and in a ministrip at TADA in the afternoon. My question to the list: which burns first & worst, the hot (black) lead or the neutral (white) lead. Not that it really matters... just wondering what people have observed. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Re: charring lamp sockets ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: charring lamp sockets Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c62ad6$91f7c560$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > which burns first & worst, the hot (black) lead or the > neutral (white) lead. Whichever one is connected to the contact that's losse, and arcing. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060206045329.44211.qmail [at] web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:53:29 -0800 (PST) From: jon weaver Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: Didn't see much of the game. (show opens friday and all) but I did turn it on for the halftime show and lasted about 5 minutes until gelling and focusing lights for hours became much more apealing to me. Watching the rolling stones butchering there own songs, which they wrote long before I was even born, was not what I had in mind for a good show. I kept hoping for another "wardrobe malfunction." -Jon Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060206050708.14936.qmail [at] web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: jon weaver Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: I kept > hoping for another "wardrobe malfunction." Just in case it's taken wrong I didn't want to see Mick. just hoping for a flashing fan........ a young flashing fan! Jon Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1188.208.51.52.6.1139202882.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:14:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" > If I understand this right, you are implying a neutral-to-ground short > at the main panel. Yes, that is exactly what we have. I don't see why this is considered a problem in the UK. In both systems, the neutral is referenced to ground. You do so at the substation, we do so at the main panel. Keep in mind that our voltage stepdown is at a power transformer or transformers right outside the facility - not at a substation a long distance away. There are differences that I can see. In the UK, a fault in the neutral conductor somewhere between the main panel and the substation would cause problems in the house. Since there is no such conductor in the US, this reduces the number of potential faulty connections. And if a fault occurs in the ground conductor between the main panel and the substation, then you have no personal protection - which is the reason for the ground conductor in the first place. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1207.208.51.52.6.1139204266.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:37:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" > So, yes we have 5 wires from the company, but they typically combine > the neutral and earth just upstream of where they present them to us. That is interesting, Dan. Do you know why they combine the neutral/ground just before making the building entrance? Is it to make sure that they are both referenced to the same level at that point? If I understand what Frank said, it appears that your working voltages are produced at the substation. Even at my house, the power lines outside are at about 12KV. There is a power transformer on the power pole next to my driveway that reduces that to the 120/240 volts for my house. Bill ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:11:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020620060611.23845.43E6E8900006356700005D252200750744010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> About 20 sec into "Start Me Up" I was thinking these guys wouldn't make it through the first round of American Idol. Sad. Randy Whitcomb Manager, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bill Sapsis > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK. Let me be the first to say it. > > Lame. Lame. Lame. > > What an opportunity...wasted. > > Ah well. > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:11:43 GMT Subject: Re: tech rider Message-Id: <20060205.221238.24078.64743 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> 12kV? The voltage entering the vault next to where I tie-in is 34.5kV. /s/ Richard ______________________________ Even at my house, the power lines outside are at about 12KV. There is a = power transformer on the power pole next to my driveway that reduces tha= t to the 120/240 volts for my house. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #680 *****************************