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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27384801; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:01:52 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #681 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:01:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_ADULT2,SARE_HOUSEWIVES,SARE_MOREENERGY,TW_HR autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #681 1. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Delbert Hall 2. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by IAEG [at] aol.com 3. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by LITETROL [at] aol.com 4. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Greg Williams 5. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Steve Larson 6. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "chip.a.wood" 8. Re: the subject was starch by "Gulig, Arthur F." 9. [Summer Job Posting] Michigan Shakespeare Festival by Rich Lindsay 10. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Kurt Cypher 11. Re: charring lamp sockets by "Paul Schreiner" 12. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Davis, Thomas J" 14. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by SS 15. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Stephen Litterst 16. halftime show by b Ricie 17. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Maurice Moe Conn" 18. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Michael Banvard" 19. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by David Carrico 20. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by simmel [at] maine.edu 21. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Clare Adams" 22. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by IAEG [at] aol.com 23. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Andrew Vance 24. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Mark O'Brien 25. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Storms, Randy" 26. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Patrick Immel 27. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by Barney Simon 28. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by Pat Kight 29. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by Michael Drury 30. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by David Carrico 31. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Bruce Purdy 32. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 33. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by MissWisc [at] aol.com 35. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. redirect of attention by CB 37. Re: Job titles by CB 38. Re: tech rider by Dan Mills 39. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by CB 40. Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) by Bruce Purdy 41. Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) by CB 42. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Delbert Hall 43. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by CB 44. Re: Job titles by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 45. Re: tech rider by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Phil Genera 47. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Greg Williams 48. Re: Super bowl halftime show. by Mat Goebel 49. Re: Super bowl halftime show. an Alternative by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 50. Re: charring lamp sockets by Dale Farmer 51. Re: charring lamp sockets by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 52. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 53. Re: Job titles by "Bill Nelson" 54. Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night by "Bill Nelson" 55. Re: tech rider by "Bill Nelson" 56. Come on you lime operators! by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:25:37 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References: > About 20 sec into "Start Me Up" I was thinking these guys wouldn't make i= t >through the first round of American Idol. I thought the same thing. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <27d.538be51.31189e37 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:42:31 EST Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. seemed like there were audio issues in everything that came from the field,, not only was the quality of the Rolling Stone mix pretty awful, , the post game trophy ceremony audio wasn't up to network quality either, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: LITETROL [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2c3.32731c5.3118a159 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:55:53 EST Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. I agree with Bill, I enjoyed the FedEx commercial. The rest, well..... s. steve [at] litetrol.com Lite-Trol Service Co., Inc. 485 West John Street Hicksville NY 11801 800 548 3876 516 681 7288 fax ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <84872111-9003-4CBF-B65A-0B41A35B9BEE [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:09:32 -0500 On Feb 6, 2006, at 7:55 AM, LITETROL [at] aol.com wrote: > I agree with Bill, I enjoyed the FedEx commercial. The rest, > well..... > > s. > > steve [at] litetrol.com FedEx was pretty funny, and I enjoyed the Budweiser one with the big Clydesdales helping the colt, but the Hummer one was just _wrong_ on many levels. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:25:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I don't think that the opportunity was the only thing that was wasted. Did anyone else think the sound mix for the Stones was awful. Other than the game, the most redeeming items were the Budweiser commercials. Steve > From: Bill Sapsis > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:38:50 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Super bowl halftime show. > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK. Let me be the first to say it. > > Lame. Lame. Lame. > > What an opportunity...wasted. > > Ah well. > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:31:43 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night Message-id: <000501c62b21$ac6b8300$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: > "Light exposure to this system, particularly blue light, directly reduces > sleepiness," said Steven Lockley of the Brigham and Women's Hospital. > "Subjects exposed to blue light were able to sustain a high level of > alertness during the night when people usually feel most sleepy, and these > results suggest that light may be a powerful countermeasure for the negative > effects of fatigue for people who work at night." As I read the article, I truly question the claim. First of all, They studied a total of 16 people... not exactly a broad sample. Secondly, it seems like they turned on the light and said the subjects immediately perked up. Well... duh. I'd like a little more info on how they came to the conclusion. Laters, Paul "Orgasms are overrated", said Tom anticlimactically. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For a 63 year old guy Mike did appear to be in pretty good shape, but toward the end you could tell his arthritis was kicking in. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of jon > weaver > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:07 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I kept > > hoping for another "wardrobe malfunction." > > Just in case it's taken wrong I didn't want to see > Mick. just hoping for a flashing fan........ a young > flashing fan! > > Jon Weaver > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: the subject was starch Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:06:55 -0600 Message-ID: <9CBE51C748FC4E469D447D1825C64A3C027279A1 [at] COKE.uwec.edu> From: "Gulig, Arthur F." Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu It is Argo laundry starch not corn starch that we use. Art Arthur F. Gulig, Technical Director Music and Theatre Arts Department - HFA178 University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire 715-836-2764 agulig [at] uwec.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:16 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: the subject was starch For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Two overriding questions has plagued me during this thread about sizing drops. First: What is wrong with using animal/hide glue? Second: I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but doesn't corn starch attract bugs? It is my understanding that wallpaper paste that was made using corn starch was considered not a good thing because cockroaches love cornstarch. I wonder if they like animal glue? Just wondering. DK ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Rich Lindsay Subject: [Summer Job Posting] Michigan Shakespeare Festival Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:07:53 -0500 Getting a little behind with things this season. (Busy semester, health problems, preparing for a new building on campus) So here it goes. Our Shakespeare Company has grown to a nice summer stock sized event. Some jobs are good for young professionals some are meant to be for =20 "student" type folks. Dates run from June 15th to August 10th. Some positions for the entire =20= schedule some shorter. Very specific dates TBA as we are arranging new shop spaces because the =20= old facilities here at the UM are being razed after the semester. =20 (Please cross your fingers that the new facility will be done in =20 August) PLEASE POST SUMMER STAFF NEEDED ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=20= ++++ The Michigan Shakespeare Festival is the Official Shakespeare Company =20= of the State of Michigan. The company operates under an AEA contract. Presented this season are Hamlet and Midsummer Nights Dream. Performances run July 18 through August 6th. The MSF is an equal opportunity employer. We are looking to fill the following positions Scenic and Prop Designer =86 Props Master Technical Director =86 Master carpenter Scenic Painter and Craftsperson Stitchers/ wardrobe crew Master Electrician Sound Technician / Designer (usually combined with another position) Stage Manager =86** Asst. Stage manager (AEA candidate program available) Production Internship (2) AEA Candidate Internship (2) =86 "Department Head" positions geared towards the young professional. Other positions are suitable for the person working towards a degree in =20= theater. ** AEA member Salaries range from 1250-3000 (SM is at AEA rate) and include company =20= housing if needed. Internships can have a stipend arranged and housing is available. I know this is a brief condensed post. Feel free to contact me for more info. Regards Rich Lindsay Michigan Shakespeare Festival c/o University of Michigan Dept. of Theater and Drame Room 2550 Frieze Bldg. 105 S. State St. Ann Arbor MI 48109 or rlindsay [at] umich.edu or 734-763-5031 www.michshakefest.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:21:05 -0500 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/6/06, Steve Larson wrote: > Did anyone else think the sound mix for > the Stones was awful. Other than the game, > the most redeeming items were the Budweiser > commercials. > > Steve I liked the Budweiser & FedEx commercials, but my favorite was the MacGuyver MasterCard commercial. Kurt ------------------------------ Subject: RE: charring lamp sockets Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B0E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > My question to=20 > the list: which burns first & worst, the hot (black) lead or the=20 > neutral (white) lead. Tough to tell visually, as most of the instruments in my stock (and all my S4s, both here and at my last gig, where I *really* had a problem with charring cuz they were the first generation ones without the retaining clip) have two white leads plus ground leading to the socket. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B0F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Am I the only person who thinks it ironic that the original bad boys =20 > did some self-censoring on "Start Me Up", then ended with the song =20 > that was censored on the Ed Sullivan show about 150 years ago? Not sure that it was a case of self-censoring; the game was broadcast with a five-second delay to avoid any "wardrobe malfunction" incidents, and it's my understanding that the network muted a couple of the lyrics. Definitely disappointing, though. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092BD605E1 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" I liked the MacGuyver (sp?) one myself- except he forgot to buy duct tape- how's he gonna get along without THAT??? And personally, I thought it was great when Yosemite Sam finally got the girl, without the rabbit getting in the way. As far as half time, what I noticed was that Mick now looks older than Keith Richards (who is the one human being who actually looks younger than he did 40 years ago). It didn't look like they had much left besides a logo. Audio left me wondering if the broadcast mix went down and they took a backup feed off the stadium system. That, or maybe they were going for the audio quality of the 1963 vintage RCA transistor AM radio I first heard the Stones on. We sponsored a "battle of the bands" on Saturday night in a gym, and our audio was better than that. And the bands had more energy. Tom D ___________________________________________________________________ I liked the Budweiser & FedEx commercials, but my favorite was the MacGuyver MasterCard commercial. Kurt ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602060651h31588282j89eb8c1133dccb76 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:51:33 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>>I agree with Bill, I enjoyed the FedEx commercial. The rest, well..... <<<<< >>>>>but the Hummer one was just _wrong_ on many levels.<<<<< No arguements there!! None of the commercials were funny or entertaining for the most part. But you are all forgetting the two that actually were redeeming (and all the other one's in the series as well!).... CareerBuilder.com, with the dude who works in the office of monkeys. Those are priceless. Ask yourself this....how often in life do you get to see a monkey in an expensive suit smoking a cigar with a burning $100 dollar bill? Nevermind, don't answer that one All I mean is, sometimes, just sometimes, situations present themselves and we feel the same exact way right? :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:54:46 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-reply-to: Message-id: <43E76336.7030306 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

Delbert Hall wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > And other than the one Budweiser commercial with the streaking sheep, > the commercials were pretty lame too. Well, my wife and I fell off the couch at the Magic Fridge commercial. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060206145923.40844.qmail [at] web50613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: halftime show In-Reply-To: THANK YOU! I said almost the exact same thing while watching last night >>Am I the only person who thinks it ironic that the original bad boys did some self-censoring on "Start Me Up", then ended with the song that was censored on the Ed Sullivan show about 150 years ago?<< Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:15:52 +0000 I have to say the Cell Phone Safety device was GREAT!! Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org >From: Greg Williams >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:09:32 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >On Feb 6, 2006, at 7:55 AM, LITETROL [at] aol.com wrote: >>I agree with Bill, I enjoyed the FedEx commercial. The rest, well..... >> >>s. >> >>steve [at] litetrol.com > > >FedEx was pretty funny, and I enjoyed the Budweiser one with the big >Clydesdales helping the colt, but the Hummer one was just _wrong_ on many >levels. > >-=Greg Williams=- >Production Manager >Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University > >www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! > > ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:23:37 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c62b31$4de01200$8c00a8c0 [at] Gelert2> In-Reply-To: > FedEx was pretty funny, and I enjoyed the Budweiser one with > the big Clydesdales helping the colt, but the Hummer one was > just _wrong_ on many levels. The Hummer3 commercial wasn't even new. There were a number of companies, I'm sure, that couldn't afford a new commercial after paying for the slot on the Super Bowl. The BK commercial was great at drawing you in with what looked like a corny, lame start, and then... Mmmmm. - Michael Banvard SD/TD Saint Louis University High School. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0602060747o1e507a3avdb95c104ab1b0d73 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:47:37 -0500 From: David Carrico Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References:

SHAME ON ALL YOU GUYS!! THAT WAS THE ROLLING F'IN STONES! Still beat the heck out of Up With People, U2. Yes, the commercials were the lamest ever, just a bunch of movie previews. Blah, blah, blah... -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:19:31 -0500 From: simmel [at] maine.edu Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks for their equipment and that it's generally a five day set up. Given the time they had to set up Sunday and the serious lack of time for any real sound checks, I accepted the poor sound level and mix. I don't care who would have played Sunday, I'll bet their sound wouldn't have been any better, unless it was recorded I'm also bias, given that I grew up with the Stones and saw their early concerts as far back as 1965. You can't say there are many bands who have their longevity and music catalogue and still perform live. It's certainly not about money- they couldn't spend all the money they have or would/will make from royalties if they all lived for another 50 years. Whether you don't like the music they've produced the last number of years, they certainly "show up every concert," "don't lip- syc" and I've yet to hear anyone leaving their concerts saying "Boy, those Stones just aren't what they used to be." >P.S. I was surprised at the lack of instrument amplification. I >thought I saw a couple of small Fender amps and that's it. Peter ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:36 -0700 Message-ID: <469E256D47873149A321069F4F29CBA8020BB3E9 [at] csf-beta.csf.localnet> From: "Clare Adams" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:37:35 EST Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In a message dated 2/6/06 11:20:43 AM, simmel [at] maine.edu writes: << I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks for their equipment and that it's generally a five day set up. Given the time they had to set up Sunday and the serious lack of time for any real sound checks, I accepted the poor sound level and mix. I don't care who would have played Sunday, I'll bet their sound wouldn't have been any better, unless it was recorded >> i assure you that the stage that they were on, , and the sound system that they were using was not the gear that they use on their own stadium tours. what you were looking at was most certainly a custom build, one time use only stage , designed to roll out and assemble in 5 minutes and strike in 3 ( or something like that) and the sound system ( I saw some linear array cabinets that had been rolled out along the side lines ) was one that was custom assembled for this event in fact they always have serious rehearsals for these Super Bowl halftimes, and there really was no excuse for the bad audio. and the NFL has probably had "pocession" of FORD FIELD for the last two - three weeks to prepare for this event. The prep etc that goes into the half time shows is one of the reasons why Super Bowl ( along with all the corporate event planing ) has to be at a neutral site determined years in advance. there really was no excuse for the poor quality of the audio feed, , either in the half time show or the post game presentation ceremony, , , very best, Keith Arsenault President IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:43:52 -0600 On 06 Feb, 2006, at 10:19 , simmel [at] maine.edu wrote: > I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that > the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks for their equipment and > that it's generally a five day set up. The Stones were in town last Sunday and I worked the out for it. They only had 26 trucks and I believe they started load-in at 8AM for a show that evening. Might be different for outdoor amphitheaters, but I can't imagine that a touring schedule would only allow 1 show a week. > Given the time they had to set up Sunday and the serious lack of > time for any real sound checks, I accepted the poor sound level and > mix. I don't care who would have played Sunday, I'll bet their > sound wouldn't have been any better, unless it was recorded I'm probably one of the two people who didn't watch the Super Bowl or its half-time entertainment [its just not worth watching unless the Packers are playing], but considering how many people at watching it at the stadium and across the world I wouldn't be be willing to accept a poor sound mix. If it was poorly lit and we couldn't clearly see Mick leaping around stage, everyone would be saying how poor the lighting was and its how inexcusable to have a "live" broadcast of that prominence look that poorly. I don't know how much time there is to set-up before the game, but I'm sure they do some sort of tech beforehand where they'll do a sound check and troubleshoot how to get that much gear out and working in the time allotted. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:54:44 -0700 On Feb 6, 2006, at 9:19 AM, simmel [at] maine.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that > the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks for their equipment and > that it's generally a five day set up. Given the time they had to > set up Sunday and the serious lack of time for any real sound > checks, I accepted the poor sound level and mix. I don't care who > would have played Sunday, I'll bet their sound wouldn't have been > any better, > unless it was recorded > > I'm also bias, given that I grew up with the Stones and saw their > early concerts as far back as 1965. You can't say there are many > bands who have their longevity and music catalogue and still > perform live. It's certainly not about money- they couldn't spend > all the money they have or would/will make from royalties if they > all lived for another 50 years. > > Whether you don't like the music they've produced the last number > of years, they certainly "show up every concert," "don't lip- syc" > and I've yet to hear anyone leaving their concerts saying "Boy, > those Stones just aren't what they used to be." My experience with Super-bowl Half-time Shows- Your mileage will vary... The staging for the half-time show has nothing to do with what the performer usually uses. The crew has about 20 minutes to move on the field, assemble, perform, and strike. The stage movers have been rehearsing for weeks, and the technical stuff gets fitted up about a week or 2 before game day. Intensive rehearsal happens in the last week, though in our case, we were only allowed on the field to rehearse once. (They seem to be REAL funny about the field surface- The ones I worked on were real grass, and it was _nice_) When we had Diana Ross, there was a "track" playing for the whole show (recorded at the on field rehearsal, I believe) but that was for backup, and she sang the show live. It seemed they had troubles all round, so "More will be revealed" HTH Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:10:26 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C14A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I believe there are a few major (read: world-class)acts, which field = multiple fleets of trucks and have the talent leapfrog from venue to = venue by air - so there might be 20-odd trucks setting up in Seattle for = a Friday night show, another 20-odd in Chicago for Saturday, and a third = 20-odd en route from Phoenix to L.A. for Sunday... Could that account = for the "72 trucks" figure? just a theory, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- On 06 Feb, 2006, at 10:19 , simmel [at] maine.edu wrote: > I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that =20 > the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:19:13 -0600 From: Patrick Immel Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References: On 2/6/06, Storms, Randy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- , another 20-odd in Chicago for Saturday, and a third 20-odd en route from Phoenix to L.A. for Sunday... Could that account for the "72 trucks" figure? > > just a theory, > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu I have not seen the show, but I have seen pictures and the 72 truck number seems about right to me! Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E78A5B.3000305 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:41:47 -0500 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night References:

In-Reply-To: Paul Guncheon wrote: > I truly question the claim. Now, there you go thinking again.... I did not read the article, but if this claim, does that mean that automobile instrumentation should be illuminated with blue? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E78D35.8060701 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:53:57 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night References:

In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > Now, there you go thinking again.... I did not read the article, but if > this claim, does that mean that automobile instrumentation should be > illuminated with blue? Mine (on a 1998 VW New Beetle) is - vivid cobalt blue. Can't say whether it keeps me alert, but it looks pretty groovy ... -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kight [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E78D8D.9080700 [at] peoplepc.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:55:25 -0500 From: Michael Drury Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >I'd contest that com was already in, and the PA was functioning just fine, >thank you very much. The skweeks were probably already on their first smoke >break by this time. God gave his first cue, and everyone heard it and >carried it out. > Not necessarily, I am pretty sure that God is an old school performer and knew how to project. msd ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0602060957t23022174j1e5f1b7154bfa2f2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:57:11 -0500 From: David Carrico Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References:

I saw the Stones' arena and stadium shows when they came through NYC last fall. The set for the Super Bowl was completely different than what they were touring with then. My guess is that it is a completely unique new set that was built as a one off for yesterday's event itself. Just a hunch. DC ------- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I'm probably one of the two people who didn't watch the Super Bowl > or its half-time entertainment Then I must be the other! Not being a fan of either football nor the stones, (& being slightly pissed off about it bumping Desperate Housewives) I had little desire to watch. One thought on the poor sound quality y'all are describing: Is it possible that otherwise good sound was seriously degraded by being sent through a poor quality "Five second delay" devise? Sound checks might not have picked up on that as it wouldn't have come into play before the broadcast. Just a theory. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006501c62b47$8c42d3a0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:02:51 -0700 IMHO MacGuyver(sp?) MasterCard was the best. Funniest was the Cell Phone Safety device. The Stones sound was pathetic. Just a thought on that: It rather sounded like a feed straight off the Monitor console with gates/ limits very tight. but my sound experience is limited. Could it been that it was ALL TRUE live and nothing on DT? I'm sure they had some venue considerations. More input from from sound guys? Robert Riddle Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:20:23 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 06/02/06 05:15:09 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Keep in mind that our voltage stepdown is at a power transformer or > transformers right outside the facility - not at a substation a long > distance away. Ours is too, but this is not always true. At The Minack theatre in Cornwall, the sub-station is a mile or so away. This means a substantial potential between neutral and earth. With a nominal 60A load up, the neutral iis 90V away from earth. > > There are differences that I can see. In the UK, a fault in the neutral > conductor somewhere between the main panel and the substation would cause > problems in the house. Since there is no such conductor in the US, this > reduces the number of potential faulty connections. And if a fault occurs > in the ground conductor between the main panel and the substation, then > you have no personal protection - which is the reason for the ground > conductor in the first place. I think you have a fetish about poor connections. Our incoming feed, through the main isolators to the intake bus-bars, is provided by the company, and wired by their staff, who are presumably competent. Yes, a neutral fault would cause problems, and a faulty earth would be hazardous. The same is true with your way: having the total load current flowing in the earth would upset the sound gear at least. Dress it up how you will, an earth distribution system is a star mixer, with very low impedances. Sound equipment, if well installed, finds its ground at the incoming earth only. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8e.36168677.3118f067 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:33:11 EST Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: << Then I must be the other! Not being a fan of either football nor the stones, (& being slightly pissed off about it bumping Desperate Housewives) I had little desire to watch. >> No...I don't care either (unless the Packers are playing, thanks Andrew!) and I can name dozens more. Stones tour isn't as huge as it used to be. Brian did the load out for them in Baltimore earlier this week and it was only a couple of hours. IIRC about 10 years ago they had a stadium tour with 70 trucks... three days to put up the steel/stage another to load in the light and audio gear, show that evening and an out that lasted till noon the next day. My brain is telling me something about an olive in a tall martini glass as being part of the set, but I didn't personally work that show so I could be totaly wrong. Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <27e.53cad79.3118f282 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:42:10 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 06/02/06 05:38:47 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > If I understand what Frank said, it appears that your working voltages are > produced at the substation. Even at my house, the power lines outside are > at about 12KV. There is a power transformer on the power pole next to my > driveway that reduces that to the 120/240 volts for my house. You do. The sub-station transformer receives 11KV delta, and turns it into 220/415V star. Each house has one leg and a neutral, plus the earth. To achieve diversity, and some sort of phase balance, the phases rotate as you go down the street. I live, and always have, in a fairly urban environment, where I think this is an economical solution, taking into consideration that the cables are underground. In France, they are overhead, but the system is broadly similar, even in a quite small village. In more rural areas, pole-mounted transformers are common, and you always have to provide your own earth spike. I once fell foul of this, in a friend's kitchen. I was making a fish soup, and every time I slid a fish into the pot, it bit me! Investigation revealed that, while all the earths were connected to the earth bus-bar, this was not connected to the spike. This was fixed the following day. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060206124515.00d20120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:45:15 From: CB Subject: redirect of attention >Just to clear things up, the original post was >theatrical in nature , not political or religious. Oh yeah, Brian, I rememered that, and it was right on topic, but I saw that we were sorta tangentially wandering. While I appreciate the point that you were making, I also thought that it is important in todays politically charged arts community to know that seperation of chrch and state is something that has beeninferred from the first amendment, and not something that has literal consitutional legs. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060206124728.00d20120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:47:28 From: CB Subject: RE: Job titles >"I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert on the way I >want things done." Soon to be coming to a theatre near you, mumbled by a certain loudmouth sound guy who shall not be named. Love it, stealing it, making t-shirts... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1E56CAB8-290C-4082-B96D-5518E960D7E1 [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk> From: Dan Mills Subject: Re: tech rider Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:25:16 +0000 On 6 Feb 2006, at 05:37, Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> So, yes we have 5 wires from the company, but they typically combine >> the neutral and earth just upstream of where they present them to us. > > That is interesting, Dan. > > Do you know why they combine the neutral/ground just before making the > building entrance? Is it to make sure that they are both referenced > to the > same level at that point? It saves a conductor as they only need to bury a four conductor cable (actually it often has the three phases and uses the armor as a combined neutral & earth) . Also it lowers the effective earth loop impedance which helps to shorten disconnect times under fault conditions. Obviously life can become "interesting" when interfacing with remote equipment as the voltage drop in that neutral will also appear on the local "ground" and can cause problems with single ended things (think video). Almost all low voltage (Less then 1000V phase -> neutral) is distributed underground here together with much of the medium voltage, the exceptions being some rural areas and even there things are slowly being buried. > If I understand what Frank said, it appears that your working > voltages are > produced at the substation. Except for very large sites, which often have their own transformers. > Even at my house, the power lines outside are > at about 12KV. There is a power transformer on the power pole next > to my > driveway that reduces that to the 120/240 volts for my house. Ahh, the infamous "pole pig"! A breed seldom encountered over here. The standard substation transformer is now a 500KVA unit and typically feeds anything from one building to a few streets. Don't forget that our cables are somewhat smaller then your for a given amount of power which changes the economics of very local step down from medium voltage. Also due to the lower frequency used here, the transformer cores need to be somewhat more massive to avoid saturation which also has a bad effect on the economics of local transformers. Just a different selection of trade offs I guess. Note that this is only true of one possible type of service, there are also: TN-S where the earth is a separate conductor right back to the star point on the substation transformer (This seems to be what Questors have). TT where there is no earth supplied and the customer is responsible for providing their own (A 100mA earth leakage trip as the main switch is about the only way to guarantee disconnect times with this system). IT which is completely floating (hospital operating theatres and little else), this uses a completely isolated system to allow gear to continue to work safely with any ONE fault to earth. A monitoring circuit exists to trip an alarm once that one fault exists, but the life support continues to function. Regards, Dan. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060206125220.00d20120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:52:20 From: CB Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) >or whoever in your facility holds >the keys - is the first one in and the last one out I think that he was referring to the first in and last out of those hwo actually work... ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:36:22 -0500 Subject: Re: In the Beginning... (was: RE: side lighting) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> or whoever in your facility holds >> the keys - is the first one in and the last one out > > I think that he was referring to the first in and last out of those hwo > actually work... > ; > Excuse me ???? I can't speak for anywhere else, but as the TD here (And one-man "Technical services department") I am the key holder, first in, last out, and do most of the work. Anyone else is touring guys or casual labour, and I am hardly a desk jockey! (Yes I did see the smiley.) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060206130939.00d20120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:09:39 From: CB Subject: Re: odd / mistaken equipment titles (or what will they think of next?) >Shouldn't the welder be labeled "Work Light"? These labels were made up from tasks the tools actually had to perform. The tape measure is the only thing that has a strcitly humerous label on it, but it was included because it is mine, and doesn't belong to the shop. If you look closely, you can see the faint 'CB' leftovers above the 'Stanley' logo. Yep, I used the welder to light mu cigarettes, and all of those tools were used as thier discriptions indicate, because the shop's owner had taken all of the shop's multiple incarnations of each of those tools with him to the deck. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:14:11 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References: You can watch the Superbowl commercials online at www.adage.com. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060206134059.00d20120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:40:59 From: CB Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. >m I the only person who thinks it ironic that the original bad boys >did some self-censoring on "Start Me Up", then ended with the song >that was censored on the Ed Sullivan show about 150 years ago? No, but I think that you may be the only one not to realize that the lads who pulled a fast one on Ed are long gone and their pod infested, primped and primed, newly tranfused corporate-clone selling marionettes have taken their places. Corporate Rock Radio and their ilk take another victim. Really show the state of the music biz when the commercials are much more interesting than the show... Shoot, I was more interested inteh game than the halftime show, and that says a lot to those that know me! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job titles Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62b6b$b2374720$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >"I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert=20 > on the way=20 > >I want things done." >=20 > Soon to be coming to a theatre near you, mumbled by a certain=20 > loudmouth sound guy who shall not be named. Love it,=20 > stealing it, making t-shirts... No, no, no....If you use my line, you have to pay my travel and per = diem.... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <252.5e9c2aa.31193b6a [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:53:14 EST Subject: Re: tech rider In a message dated 06/02/06 20:26:04 GMT Standard Time, dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk writes: > TN-S where the earth is a separate conductor right back to the star > point on the substation transformer (This seems to be what Questors > have). Yes, we do. The transformer is all of 6' from the intake isolators and bus-bar chamber, so it's sensible. At home, I have a two-core SWA cable incoming, with the earth derived from the armour. The transformer is about 50 yards away. As far as I can tell, the HV distribution is all delta wired, with no neutral. Really heavy power users may have a delta supply, and often have abominable power factors. I worked for some years at Ealing Studios, and all the lighting there was, until the late eighties, 220V three-wire DC, made by to big diesel generators. > > TT where there is no earth supplied and the customer is responsible > for providing their own (A 100mA earth leakage trip as the main > switch is about the only way to guarantee disconnect times with this > system). This is what I have in France. There are four wires coming from the power cables, and an earth spike in the cellar. For a French domestic consumer, I have a lot of capacity, due to big storage heaters (6KW, 3KW, plus the water heater). This was on an off-peak supply, and switched by HF signals riding on the mains lines. I think that they are at about 200KHz, modulated at 1KHz, which may account for the trouble one has in receiving Radio 4 LW while driving. Much of the supply here is on overhead lines, and subject to thunderstorms and surges. Yes, I do have surge protection on my computer there, but one violent storm not only fried the modem, but also the thermostat in the refrigerator! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:05:05 -0500 From: Phil Genera Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Message-ID: <20060207000505.GF4720 [at] web1.vtventures.net> References:

In-Reply-To: On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 04:14:11PM -0500, Delbert Hall wrote: > You can watch the Superbowl commercials online at www.adage.com. Not to mention on Google Video: http://video.google.com/superbowl.html Less registration required and all that. -- Phil Genera ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <945D60C2-C96E-407B-A33D-79A82EFE6494 [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:18:34 -0500 On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:40 AM, CB wrote: >> m I the only person who thinks it ironic that the original bad boys >> did some self-censoring on "Start Me Up", then ended with the song >> that was censored on the Ed Sullivan show about 150 years ago? > > No, but I think that you may be the only one not to realize that > the lads > who pulled a fast one on Ed are long gone and their pod infested, > primped > and primed, newly tranfused corporate-clone selling marionettes > have taken > their places. Corporate Rock Radio and their ilk take another victim. > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ Uh, Chris, I got it. That's where the irony came from... -=G=- -=Greg Williams=- ----We're at it again!!!---- Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/ EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:47:22 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. In-Reply-To: References: I worked the concert in/out when they played at SBC Park in San Francisco. 72 trucks sounds right - they just kept coming. IIRC, there was one truck just for monitor wedges. On 06/02/06, Storms, Randy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I believe there are a few major (read: world-class)acts, which field mult= iple fleets of trucks and have the talent leapfrog from venue to venue by a= ir - so there might be 20-odd trucks setting up in Seattle for a Friday nig= ht show, another 20-odd in Chicago for Saturday, and a third 20-odd en rout= e from Phoenix to L.A. for Sunday... Could that account for the "72 trucks= " figure? > > just a theory, > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 06 Feb, 2006, at 10:19 , simmel [at] maine.edu wrote: > > I'm not sure how accurate this is- However, I've been told that > > the Stones use 72 semi-trailor trucks > -- Mat Goebel www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.4c48a638.311964fa [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:50:34 EST Subject: Re: Super bowl halftime show. an Alternative >Then I must be the other! Not being a fan of either football nor the >stones, I am also one of the others. Much more interested in the PBS broadcast of Bleak House. Now there are some production values. Lighting, sound, camera angles, editing, script, acting, costumes, settings...the whole nine yards.... super stuff. Steve V Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43E80FA4.9030608 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:10:28 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: charring lamp sockets References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> My question to >> the list: which burns first & worst, the hot (black) lead or the >> neutral (white) lead. > > Tough to tell visually, as most of the instruments in my stock (and all > my S4s, both here and at my last gig, where I *really* had a problem > with charring cuz they were the first generation ones without the > retaining clip) have two white leads plus ground leading to the socket. > > > Electrically, they will be equal, since the current has to flow in one and out another, then back with the next cycle. There may be mechanical and thermal factors that would cause one pin to tend to go first. Usually it's a bulb not fully seated, or being inserted crooked and damaging a contact. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <21145558.1139290470680.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:34:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: charring lamp sockets Well, obviously, the black one. An electrical arc gives off a whole lot of UV light (hence all the protection when welding.) The black insulation will absorb this light and change it into heat much more readily than the white insulation. The black wire achieves much higher temperatures because of this, leading more quickly into a cycle of repeated heating and cooling, which exacerbates the arcing problem. They don't call it the "hot" wire for nothin'! "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "Because it's more fun when you can't tell whether I'm being a smartass or not." >; ) -----Original Message----- > >> My question to >> the list: which burns first & worst, the hot (black) lead or the >> neutral (white) lead. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15555.69.59.200.119.1139295309.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" > 12kV? The voltage entering the vault next to where I tie-in is 34.5kV. > /s/ Richard It may be higher, but that is the voltage I seem to recall the power company lineman told me was present when they came out to fix a poor neutral connection. I live within 1/2 mile of the substation, and the particular branch line is only a few miles long - so maybe they use a lower voltage due to the short run. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15560.69.59.200.119.1139295473.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:57:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Job titles From: "Bill Nelson" >>"I don't know everything, but I'm the world's leading expert on the way I >>want things done." > > Soon to be coming to a theatre near you, mumbled by a certain loudmouth > sound guy who shall not be named. Love it, stealing it, making > t-shirts... When you get them made, I want two. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15569.69.59.200.119.1139296117.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:08:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Good news: Blue Light Makes People Alert at Night From: "Bill Nelson" >> Now, there you go thinking again.... I did not read the article, but if >> this claim, does that mean that automobile instrumentation should be >> illuminated with blue? > > Mine (on a 1998 VW New Beetle) is - vivid cobalt blue. I remember that the high beam indicator on the really old Beetles was blue, and bright enough to hurt the eyes. The one on my 87 Toyota is not quite as bright, but also blue. Blue light destroys night vision - so is really the wrong color in a vehicle. Red light is proper, and is what you find in aircraft for nighttime flights. All the navigation stations in the sailboats I used to charter also had red work lights. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15581.69.59.200.119.1139296807.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tech rider From: "Bill Nelson" > I think you have a fetish about poor connections. Our incoming feed, > through > the main isolators to the intake bus-bars, is provided by the company, and > wired by their staff, who are presumably competent. Yes, a neutral fault > would cause problems, and a faulty earth would be hazardous. The same is > true with your way: having the total load current flowing in the earth would > upset the sound gear at least. Dress it up how you will, an earth > distribution system is a star mixer, with very low impedances. Sound > equipment, if well installed, finds its ground at the incoming earth only. Interestingly enough, it is the connections at the pole pig where most of the problems occur, and that is usually at the neutral connection. It happened at my house - fortunately, I recognized the problem before anything in my house was damaged. If there is current in the ground, then a system problem exists. The only sound problems we have here are the same "ground loop" problems that exist everywhere. That has nothing to do with how the power is fed to the main distribution panel. It is a consequence of the resistance of the in-house ground wiring. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:42:24 +0000 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Come on you lime operators! heres a game to play For all those hotshot followspot operators out there, try your hand at this- and see how good you really are..... http://www.laplandmusic.net/Lyric/game.html PS Nights at the Circus at the Lyric Hammersmith London is unmissable. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #681 *****************************