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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #685

 1. Re: cable drums?
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 2. Cirque in Buffalo, NY
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 3. Job Posting
    by "Dulcie Arnold" <Dulcie_Arnold [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>
 4. Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
 5. Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
 6. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
 7. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 9. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
10. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight	 system)
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
11. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
12. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight	 system)
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
13. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
14. Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
15. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
16. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
17. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
18. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
19. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
20. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
21. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight  system)
    by Noemi Ybarra <noemi [at] jonesphillips.com>
22. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight  system)
    by Noemi Ybarra <noemi [at] jonesphillips.com>
23. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
24. Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
25. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
26. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
27. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
28. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
30. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
31. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
32. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
33. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
34. Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
35. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
36. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
37. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
38. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a	Counter-weight system)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
39. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
40. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
41. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
42. Re: Colored Lamps for Music stand lights
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
43. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
44. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
45. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of	aCounter-weight system)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
46. Re: AHJ and fire
    by Lisa Beardmore <terracedirocks [at] yahoo.com>
47. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
48. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
49. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
50. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
51. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
52. Spansets
    by Bill Schaffell <wjss [at] earthlink.net>
53. Re: ERS Optics
    by Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
54. Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
55. Re: Spansets
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
56. excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
57. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
58. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
59. Re: AHJ and fire
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
60. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
61. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life	ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
62. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
63. EPS to lauan?
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
64. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
65. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
66. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Christopher Haas CEHAAS <CEHAAS [at] uncg.edu>
67. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
68. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
69. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: LifeofaCounter-weight system)
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
70. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Christopher Haas CEHAAS <CEHAAS [at] uncg.edu>
71. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
72. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was:	LifeofaCounter-weight system)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
73. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
74. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Kyle Schoenfeld <schoenfeldkyle [at] gmail.com>
75. Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
    by "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
76. Cabaret Rights
    by Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 07:18:19 -0500
Subject: Re: cable drums?
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0109D3B.8BF1%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27445637 [at] prxy.net>

And speaking of drums...Yo Fred!  I've got pricing stuff and lead time stuff
and info type stuff for you but my emails to you are bouncing back at me.
Wassup wid dat?

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 2/9/06 2:55 AM, "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Also you might try www.secoa.com too, I worked for them awhile, I installed
> many of drums. I do buy stuff from Uncle Bill too. Every rigging equipment
> supplier has most of the same stuff some  have different stuff and some have
> better stuff and some the best stuff. Since I buy stuff from everyone just
> about, my factors are lead time, quality, price, shipping costs and if they
> have the stuff.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Ahem.
>> 
>> You want cable drums for electric wire you go to an electrical guy.
>> 
>> You want cable drums for wire rope you go to a rigger.
>> 
>> Why look!  I'm a rigger.  And we do cable drums.  And I'm a list member.
>> What a happy coincidence.
>> 
>> Whatcha need?
>> 
>> Bill S
>> www.sapsis-rigging.com
>> 800.727.7471
>> 800.292.3851  fax
>> 267.278.4561 mobile
>> 
>> Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
>> motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/7/06 2:49 PM, "Richard Wolpert" <richw [at] unionconnector.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Try www.conductix.com they make all sorts of power equipment AND cord
>>> reels.
>>> Go to the bottom of their HOME page and click on Cord Reels.
>>> 
>>> Richard A.Wolpert
>>> President
>>> Union Connector Co., Inc.
>>> 40 Dale Street
>>> West Babylon, NY  11704
>>> Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204
>>> Fx: 631-753-9560
>>> richw [at] unionconnector.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Fred
>>> Schoening, Jr.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:25 PM
>>> To: Stagecraft
>>> Subject: cable drums?
>>> 
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Hiya, Kids!
>>> 
>>> Who sells grooved drums for aircraft cable winches and
>>> the like in the US? So far my web searching hasn't come
>>> up with anything.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Fred
>>> 
>>> "Big Fred" Schoening
>>> Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
>>> Dallas, Texas, USA
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Message-ID: <43EB41C5.2080803 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:21:09 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Cirque in Buffalo, NY
References: <list-27441781 [at] prxy.net>

I wonder if anyone here is coming through Buffalo next week working 
Delirium.  I actually get to take my wife out for an evening to see it. 
Please contact me off-list if so.

Thanks and Best,
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia
716-673-3326



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Message-id: <fc.000f52c100bbbfb4000f52c100bbbfb4.bbc015 [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:51:40 -0500
Subject: Job Posting
From: "Dulcie Arnold" <Dulcie_Arnold [at] rcds.rye.ny.us>

Hi,
This job has been posted at the school where I work.
It is an Independent school K-12 in Rye, New York, which is about 30 miles
north of New York City.

If you would like to apply, please contact me off-list and I will give you
more information.
Thanks,
Dulcie


Director of the Performing Arts Center at Rye Country Day School

 - Schedule and coordinate all events that take place in the building 

 - Implement the setting up, running and breaking down of all events in
the PAC.

 - Design and implement all lights and sound for all events.

These events will include school sponsored Drama and Music performances,
school lectures and meetings as well as limited outside group events. 
Knowledge of Allen and Heath GL Series Soundboarad and 96 channel ETC
Lightboard, essential.

 - Daily supervision of the physical plant
>
>


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From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Subject: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:17 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-27445735 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <MALFRONTRyZx4L28t8Y00000125 [at] malfront.capital.edu>

Anyone tried correcting for keystone when creating an image pro slide? I've
been told that Photoshop will do that, but haven't played with it yet.


G. D. George
Assistant Professor and Technical Director
Capital University Theatre
Department of Communications
1 College and Main
Columbus, OH 43209

(614) 236-6498
ggeorge [at] capital.edu	

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:58 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: ERS Optics

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> Okay, while I've expressed my expectation that the gate was beyond F2, I
> can understand this.

It could be put on either side.

You want the lens to focus on the object (gate, shutters or gobo), not on
F2. Because the desired image distance varies, the lens has to be
adjustable to do this - since we are not projecting to infinite distances.

Bill





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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV7471B5B7A08D836FC1061DF030 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:16:37 -0600
Message-ID: <001c01c62d83$709d71d0$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-27453004 [at] prxy.net>

Haven't yet, but I would love to hear any tips you discover, as I am about
to deal with this in our current show. (If we ever get the scenery loaded
in, that is). I'll also share anything I discover.

Laura McMeley
Resident Lighting Coordinator
The Dallas Opera
972-333-5016
 
> Anyone tried correcting for keystone when creating an image pro slide?
> I've
> been told that Photoshop will do that, but haven't played with it yet.
> 
> 
> G. D. George
> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
> Capital University Theatre
> Department of Communications
> 1 College and Main
> Columbus, OH 43209
> 
> (614) 236-6498
> ggeorge [at] capital.edu

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Cc: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:29:01 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAeNKhVqdnqEWZwbWJ3dLOAgEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27441127 [at] prxy.net>

MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:

>but what do I do when Joe Blow Local hardware guy tells
>my administrator that he can do it... how do I=20
>say "NO, I want to fly Unkle Bill or one of his team in to do it."

Not being familiar with your procurement process, it's tough to say. But
since an inspection by a qualified firm will cost at least a few =
thousand
dollars, I assume that the PTB would need some sort of competitive bid. =
If
so, the RFP/Q can spell out in detail what qualifications and/or
documentation you want.

If there is no such process in your organization, I'd still get a few =
quotes
and detailed info from who you know to be qualified folks (we'll all do =
that
for free with just a phone call), then ask the same from Bob's Pretty =
Good
Low Bid Rigging. The differences should stand out.

The key is to make it clear that experience and qualifications are the
deciding factors, not just the cost. There are significant liability =
issues
here. That's tough to defend, I know (especially when the $$$'s come =
from
public sources), but it's well worth the fight.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Message-ID: <002001c62d86$b6dcd070$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
References: <list-27454024 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:40:04 -0800

> If there is no such process in your organization, I'd still get a few 
> quotes
> and detailed info from who you know to be qualified folks (we'll all do 
> that
> for free with just a phone call), then ask the same from Bob's Pretty Good
> Low Bid Rigging. The differences should stand out.


I'm not sure if it's a State thing, or a School District thing, but here, 
we're bound by law to go with the low bidder.  Getting a firm that does 
<whatever> disqualified is extremely hard to do around here.  (Plumbing, 
roofing, artificial turf, architecture, etc....)

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:46:19 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c62d87$9712bba0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27454273 [at] prxy.net>

 
> I'm not sure if it's a State thing, or a School District 
> thing, but here, 
> we're bound by law to go with the low bidder.

...The lowest bidder who meets the specifications.

Writing proper specs is everything.


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Cc: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:47:12 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAWIyIgGyIgky/xHgh93KtZwEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27454024 [at] prxy.net>

Oh, and I also meant to point out that one may want an inspector who has =
no
vested interest in the outcome of the inspection. If you contract the =
local
hardware supplier, they may see it as an opportunity to sell you more =
gear
or services that you might not really need. Ever taken your car in for a
"free" safety inspection at the local dealer?

Contracting an outside independent inspector who doesn't sell gear may =
get
you a more objective result.

And Unca Bill knows I mean no disrespect to his retail and install =
business.
:-)   I'd trust Bill to do both without hesitation. He's a rare blend of
competence and honesty.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:54:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight
	 system)
Message-Id: <20060209.065514.24078.75038 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

"Lowest RESPONSIBLE Bidder" is the popular phrase in Gov't contracts. Ma=
ny times, without the right insurance and right minority/gender anti-dis=
crimination hiring policy, the bidder isn't 'responsible'.
/s/ Richard
_____________________________________
I'm not sure if it's a State thing, or a School District thing, but here=
, we're bound by law to go with the low bidder. =

      - Jon Ares
 


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:57:16 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAqyOf1f3Jl0WIQA7Gm6Z25wEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27454410 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wote:

>...The lowest bidder who meets the specifications.

Exactly! Your RFP's must leave no wiggle room for contractors who don't =
meet
the specifics of the request. We've had some success with getting
unqualified low-bid contractors off jobs by holding collective feet to =
fire
regarding qualifications, which are clearly spelled out in our specs. If
your PTB are sticklers for paperwork and having contractors meet =
contract
requirements, you can use that to your advantage.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:57:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight
	 system)
Message-Id: <20060209.065817.24078.75050 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

And candor, as viewed by his responses to questions on this list.
/s/ Richard
__________________________
 I'd trust Bill to do both without hesitation. He's a rare blend of
competence and honesty.
Peter Scheu

 


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:59:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010C30B.8C0D%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27454429 [at] prxy.net>

Holy smokes.  Did I die or something?  It's beginning to sound like a wake,
all these testimonials and stuff.  But don't stop...I like it.  I Like it.

<<VBG>>



On 2/9/06 9:47 AM, "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com> wrote:

> And Unca Bill knows I mean no disrespect to his retail and install business.
> :-)   I'd trust Bill to do both without hesitation. He's a rare blend of
> competence and honesty.



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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:08:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C010C530.9E9D%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27453004 [at] prxy.net>

You can skew photos in the Edit>Transform>Skew
dropdowns.  You may have to experiment with
just how much.  You can also correct keystoning
of architectural photos: getting the verticals
back to vertical, etc.

Steve

> From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:17 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone tried correcting for keystone when creating an image pro slide? I've
> been told that Photoshop will do that, but haven't played with it yet.
> 
> 
> G. D. George
> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
> Capital University Theatre
> Department of Communications
> 1 College and Main
> Columbus, OH 43209
> 
> (614) 236-6498
> ggeorge [at] capital.edu 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:58 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: ERS Optics
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> Okay, while I've expressed my expectation that the gate was beyond F2, I
>> can understand this.
> 
> It could be put on either side.
> 
> You want the lens to focus on the object (gate, shutters or gobo), not on
> F2. Because the desired image distance varies, the lens has to be
> adjustable to do this - since we are not projecting to infinite distances.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2c5.35a29e9.311cb4f8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:08:40 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)

Which brings me back to... what should those specs be? Anyone can buy  E&O 
insurance. Joe Blow can state "I've inspected hundreds of rigging  systems and 
have X years of experience."
 
About the only thing I can think of at this point would be "ESTA Subject  
Matter Expert" :)
 
And I know what you mean about having the supplier do it. I once asked for  
some lighting equipment for a high school... wanted 6 pars on each of 2  stands 
(think DJ lighting) and a small board that I could set up  and tear down for 
a multipurpose room - a cafeteria with stage on one end.  The principal said 
he knew someone who'd come take a look and decide what we  needed. (I, a lowly 
woman, IATSE stagehand with master's level class work  in lighting who would 
actually be using the system, wasn't enough.)  The "expert" who came in said I 
should permanantly mount them to  the 9' ceiling and run permanant cables 
through the walls, buy an ETC  board (for 12 lights???) and so on. He just didn't 
get it that kids, food and  theatrical lights should never be together.
 
Ah well.
Kristi 
 
 
_stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com_ (mailto:stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com)   writes:
<<  ...The lowest bidder who meets the  specifications.

Writing proper specs is everything. >>
 

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Message-ID: <000b01c62d8b$566a50f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
References: <list-27454618 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:13:09 -0800

>>...The lowest bidder who meets the specifications.
>
> Exactly! Your RFP's must leave no wiggle room for contractors who don't 
> meet
> the specifics of the request. We've had some success with getting
> unqualified low-bid contractors off jobs by holding collective feet to 
> fire
> regarding qualifications, which are clearly spelled out in our specs. If
> your PTB are sticklers for paperwork and having contractors meet contract
> requirements, you can use that to your advantage.


I'm all for that... except I have no idea what an 'iron-clad' spec for 
examining a fly system should look like.  If told to spec it now, all I 
could say is, "Make sure it's safe."  For future edification, I'd love to 
see a tight spec... does it include things like requiring checks for sheave 
bushing clearances, rope lock tension, etc?  I wouldn't know what to spec 
beyond making sure "it don't fall down go boom."

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <001701c62d8c$22377910$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-27454877 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:18:51 -0800

> The "expert" who came in said I
> should permanantly mount them to  the 9' ceiling and run permanant cables
> through the walls, buy an ETC  board (for 12 lights???) and so on.

Interesting... you got exactly the opposite that most of the schools around 
here get: they request/spec permanent lighting positions, and the district's 
'expert' sells them 2 stands and 6 PAR 38s.

I just finished a showcase performance we were doing at a local primary 
school - they, and all the primary schools, where supposed to have new 
lighting systems (real ones, with Colortran or ETC fixtures) but were cut 
during the summer.  (A bond was passed for this - if I were a taxpaying 
parent in the community I'd be pissed.)  Anyway, the primary school used to 
have 2 trees with PAR 38s - but they were told to dispose of them, as they 
were deemed unsafe (they were, and they were about 25 years old) - and since 
they were getting a new lighting system, they were fine with that.  Imagine 
their surprise and outrage when September rolled around, and they're told 
they're NOT getting new lights.  Now they're stuck without ANY lights. 
They're fundraising to replace their porta-crap.

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:21:53 -0500
Message-ID: <000301c62d8c$921ad060$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27454986 [at] prxy.net>


> For future edification, 
> I'd love to 
> see a tight spec... does it include things like requiring 
> checks for sheave 
> bushing clearances, rope lock tension, etc?  I wouldn't know 
> what to spec 
> beyond making sure "it don't fall down go boom."

Well, I'm sure that any of the qualified people on this list can help you
with that.  My personal suggestion is to specify the use of specific test
equipment that Joe's Hardware and Garden Shop is unlikely to own (I'm
assuming that there is such equipment.  Bill?  Peter?) and that the
operators thereof be factory trained.


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:37:12 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAidhnHDWqfUaks4j7LxJkLQEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27454986 [at] prxy.net>

Jon Ares wrote:

>I'm all for that... except I have no idea what an 'iron-clad' spec for 
>examining a fly system should look like.  If told to spec it 
>now, all I could say is, "Make sure it's safe."

Certainly nothing is bulletproof, especially if the Architect and/or
Construction Manager and/or Owner doesn't have the strength or willingness
to enforce contract provisions. Consultants don't normally have enforcement
power. Owners ultimately have the power of the checkbook.

You write the best spec you can and have to leave it to others to enforce.
Kinda like Congress making the laws and the Executive enforcing them. If
one's relationship with others in the design team is strong and respectful,
then they will value your opinion when you say "it's not safe" even though
the contactor says it is. This dynamic varies form project to project and
one has to pick one's battles... (sigh)

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:45:09 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAWBdUQUVN+U+hvzsm88AWPgEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27455215 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>My personal suggestion is to specify=20
>the use of specific test equipment that Joe's Hardware and=20
>Garden Shop is unlikely to own (I'm assuming that there is=20
>such equipment.  Bill?  Peter?) and that the operators thereof=20
>be factory trained.

Tough one that. No real "specialized" test equipment is used in most =
general
rigging/safety inspections. Mostly just eyes, ears, nose, hands, and =
well
used brain. Also, there's no such thing as real "factory training" in =
the
counterweight rigging world. CM does have "motor school", but Clancy, =
SECOA,
H&H, Hoffend, Peter Clark, etc. don't "train" anybody not directly =
employed
by them. Liability issues, I've been told.

ETCP Certifications are looking better and better...  ;-)

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Message-ID: <43EB639C.9087AA02 [at] jonesphillips.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:45:32 -0500
From: Noemi Ybarra <noemi [at] jonesphillips.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight 
 system)
References: <list-27454429 [at] prxy.net>

Peter Scheu wrote:

> Oh, and I also meant to point out that one may want an inspector who has no
> vested interest in the outcome of the inspection. If you contract the local
> hardware supplier, they may see it as an opportunity to sell you more gear
> or services that you might not really need. Ever taken your car in for a
> "free" safety inspection at the local dealer?

When we close out a job, I usually recommend to the owners that they contract
with the rigging installers to have the system inspected regularly.  That way,
the inspectors can't (logically) say anything like, "This whole system is
dangerous!  You need to spend $$$$ to fix it!"

They are also the people most familiar with the system.

Noemi


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Message-ID: <43EB64C9.8A00A7A2 [at] jonesphillips.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:50:33 -0500
From: Noemi Ybarra <noemi [at] jonesphillips.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight 
 system)
References: <list-27454877 [at] prxy.net>

MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:

> Which brings me back to... what should those specs be? Anyone can buy  E&O
> insurance. Joe Blow can state "I've inspected hundreds of rigging  systems and
> have X years of experience."

I know of specifications that name the acceptable bidders, with instructions to
others on how to become accepted.  That way, the low bid can only come from someone
known to the spec writers to do good work.

Noemi


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:02:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010D1B2.8C1C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27455215 [at] prxy.net>

Hi guys.  I really hate to say this, but it's very, very difficult to write
a spec for inspections.  There's plenty of reasons but it's mainly cuz
theatres are too different.  You are not going to get a standard spec to
cover all the bases and be so airtight that it works for more than one
space.  And considering the cost of an inspection, I doubt that anyone will
take the time to sit down and write the spec.  It would cost more than the
inspection.

Do your homework.  Check up on the person(s).  Ask lots of questions of them
and of the past clients.

And I'm not so sure using insurance as a criteria is such a good thing.  I
agree with Kristi.  Anyone can get insurance.  But how many people are
Subject Matter Experts?  How many sit on the Certification Council?  How
many sit on various ESTA committees and boards?  There are several people on
this list who can answer yes to those questions.  If that doesn't sway the
admin., then talk to the safety officer or legal dept.

Bottom Line.....It's a very small industry.  There are those that do a good
job and those that don't.  We will always have the yahoos.  But, if someone
doesn't know what they're doing it'll show in their manner and in their
report.  And it won't take long for the word to go around to stay away from
so and so because they don't know what they're doing.

And no, there aren't any special gizmos or tools.  I once wrote an article
about this and talked about dental mirrors, but anyone can get their hands
on those.

BTW, in all the years I've been doing inspections, I can count on one hand
the number of times a spec was involved.  And then it was mostly the US
Govt., not state or local.

Zat help?  Maybe a little?

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>





On 2/9/06 10:21 AM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>> For future edification,
>> I'd love to 
>> see a tight spec... does it include things like requiring
>> checks for sheave
>> bushing clearances, rope lock tension, etc?  I wouldn't know
>> what to spec 
>> beyond making sure "it don't fall down go boom."
> 
> Well, I'm sure that any of the qualified people on this list can help you
> with that.  My personal suggestion is to specify the use of specific test
> equipment that Joe's Hardware and Garden Shop is unlikely to own (I'm
> assuming that there is such equipment.  Bill?  Peter?) and that the
> operators thereof be factory trained.
> 



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In-Reply-To: <list-27454866 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27454866 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <55A16F24-DEC7-48A2-AFE1-9C796ABFD56B [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:02:26 -0500

There is a few math equations you can do to find the angle.  If you  
do an online search for keystoning or lighting math, you should find  
them.  The other thing you can try is to print out a grid and project  
that where you want it.  Then just measure the angle of deviation of  
the lines.  This will give you your keystone degrees.  Then you can  
go into Photoshop, use Edit>Transform>Perspective and push the top or  
bottom of the picture in and/or up depending on the keystone.  On the  
bar on top, there is a picture of a parallelagram with an H box and a  
V box.  This is your horizontal and vertical changes in degrees.   
When you get to the angle you want, apply the transformation and  
you'll have it.  This may take a little playing with to get it  
right.  Make sure you do this transformation only on the image layer  
and not on the Rosco template layer.  If you have any questions, e- 
mail me off list.  Good luck.

- Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA
Theaterworks, Hartford





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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:05:25 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAXnXkm/wVb0SwItKBD76v8AEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27455747 [at] prxy.net>

Noemi Ybarra wrote:=09

>When we close out a job, I usually recommend to the owners=20
>that they contract with the rigging installers to have the=20
>system inspected regularly.  That way, the inspectors can't=20
>(logically) say anything like, "This whole system is=20
>dangerous!  You need to spend $$$$ to fix it!"

As do I. A one-year inspection is a required part of our specs. I'm
specifically referring to a system that may have been around for a while =
and
is "out of warranty". Installation warranties usually run only one year
(though some manufacturers like Clancy and Wenger have equipment =
warranties
that last 3 years or longer).

But I've found that many times the contractor doesn't follow through. =
I've
found that I have to set up "reminders" that I send out to Owners to
initiate the one-year inspection.

But your point is well taken and is a legitimate strategy.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:05:47 -0500
Message-ID: <000401c62d92$b072b360$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456036 [at] prxy.net>

 
> Hi guys.  I really hate to say this, but it's very, very 
> difficult to write a spec for inspections.  There's plenty of 
> reasons but it's mainly cuz theatres are too different.

One could, I suppose, specify that the inspecting company have previously
inspected X number of theatres.


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:25:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010D70D.8C23%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456118 [at] prxy.net>

On 2/9/06 11:05 AM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>  
>> Hi guys.  I really hate to say this, but it's very, very
>> difficult to write a spec for inspections.  There's plenty of
>> reasons but it's mainly cuz theatres are too different.
> 
> One could, I suppose, specify that the inspecting company have previously
> inspected X number of theatres.
> 


I suppose, but if you're at the Bellagio do you really want the guy who has
inspected 10 elementary schools and a high school?



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602090818x5ff5e65an8e2e320ef742446a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:18:58 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27441629 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27441629 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>>Tell your administrator that you are attempting to cover his/her
derriere, and reduce the institution's liability. The legal or loss
control office of your institution should side with you. It is
unlikely that Joe Blow Local hardware guy has enough E&O insurance to
cover your institution in case of a catastrophic rigging
failure.<<<<<<


Key word is SHOULD. Easier said then done. Have worked in several
locations in which they were going through the same scenario. It's
amazing how clueless and oblivious some folks can really be. In most
cases $$$ signs will perk anybody's ears, both good and bad. But
sometimes it's just like talking to a brick wall. Deaf ears. I hate to
say it, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if a "case of a
catastrophic rigging failure" would actually help the point across on
such a serious matter.


-SS
TTS-EKU

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:29:11 -0500
Message-ID: <000701c62d95$f58a0cc0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456457 [at] prxy.net>

=20
> > One could, I suppose, specify that the inspecting company have=20
> > previously inspected X number of theatres.
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> I suppose, but if you're at the Bellagio do you really want=20
> the guy who has inspected 10 elementary schools and a high school?

I'm thinking in terms of someone at one of those public schools who's =
trying
to deal with the bureaucracy.  Remember that the OP was talking about =
how to
keep the local hardware store from getting the contract.

I assume -- but maybe wrongly -- that the Bellagio an hire whoever it =
wants,
based entirely on merit.


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:30:10 -0500
Message-ID: <000801c62d96$19902820$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456486 [at] prxy.net>



> I hate to say it, but sometimes I 
> can't help but wonder if a "case of a catastrophic rigging 
> failure" would actually help the point across on such a 
> serious matter.

Show them pictures of the Justin Timberlake truss after it fell.


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Message-ID: <43EB70DA.7030607 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:42:02 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27456596 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456596 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:
> Show them pictures of the Justin Timberlake truss after it fell.
> 

Just to play devil's advocate here: the response to which would likely
be "So what? We're a school, we don't do rock concerts."

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:44:56 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAACFYk6dDwEus0WdqyX18oAEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27456486 [at] prxy.net>

Others wrote:

>>>>...enough E&O insurance to cover your institution in case of a
catastrophic rigging failure.<<<<<<

FYI - E&O insurances don't usually cover "consequential damages". =
Depends on
the individual policy. And nearly every inspection report comes with
disclaimers. I know mine does and I'm sure Bill's and other's do as =
well. We
have to cover our butts, too. A "catastrophic rigging failure" =
immediately
after a rigging inspection will probably land everyone in court, or at =
the
very least, giving depositions.  :-(.

Example - If there's a cracked gear tooth inside a gearbox that's ready =
to
let go, I simply won't find that before it does. The steel in the =
gearcase
is too thick for my "back page of the comic book" X-ray specs.

Ooooo... "specialized equipment"

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602090849p7c1410f1rc1bca50149c34e69 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:49:49 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27456861 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27456596 [at] prxy.net> <list-27456861 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>>Just to play devil's advocate here: the response to which would likely
be "So what? We're a school, we don't do rock concerts."<<<<


Which leads me back to my original point, thus illustrating the
frustration in trying to do something correctly, safely, efficiently,
effecitively, and properly....regardless of cost and "theory".  Don't
care if Justin Timberlake, the Pope, the local high school thespian
festival, or the national tour of Wicked is coming through the venue.
You can't put a price on lives!!


-SS
TTS-EKU

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Message-ID: <004001c62d99$d905f3d0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:57:01 -0600

In the 7th or 8th grade I was intrigued by lenses and rays and such and came 
up with a science fair project to build and demonstrate an acoustic lens. 
Build an inflatable lens shaped thing and fill with a gas.  So, I brought it 
in and had been thinking CO2.  The science teacher suggested gas - as in 
natural gas like used for Bunsen Burners naturally.  Started to inflate the 
lens and heard these crackly sounds.  Being in a northern clime in winter, 
static electricity reared it's head so I'm standing there with balloon 
filling with natural gas and sparks all around.  We quickly turned off the 
gas and moved to a window to deflate the lens to the outside without 
incident.  I believe the science teacher past away as a result of natural 
causes and not natural gas and I survived this long at least.

Bill C. 


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:57:56 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAABFtRGO44okWswji5pxVJqAEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27456861 [at] prxy.net>

Jim Hyslop wrote:

>Just to play devil's advocate here: the response to which 
>would likely be "So what? We're a school, we don't do rock concerts."

Newton's laws. Physics. "What goes up..." It's all the same

and

Rock concerts - (hopefully) designed, set up, and run by highly qualified
enteratainment and rigging processionals.
Schools - run by parents club volunteers and maintained by the janitor (an
EXAGGERATION to make a point - no flames please!).

If a catastrophic failure like AC/Timberlake can happen with professionals
at the helm... Well, you do the math.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:04:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010E063.8C3C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27456925 [at] prxy.net>

NOPE.  Sorry Peter.  I was trying hard not to get into specifics of our
inspections because I don't want to get into a competition with anyone on
this list.  BUT....My reports do not carry a disclaimer. Never have. Never
will.  I never did understand that concept.  I do a job and if it's done
well...great.  Pay me.  If I screwed up, well, then I take full
responsibility for my actions and the actions of my staff. We do a thorough
job and I'm confidant that we will stay out of trouble...most of the time.
The law of averages will eventually come up to bite us, that I know.  I also
know that when it does, everyone and their brother will be drawn into the
court battle.  At that point I will be willing to let the chips fall where
they may.  

We do our very, very best all the time.  Not much else we can do.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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On 2/9/06 11:44 AM, "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com> wrote:

> FYI - E&O insurances don't usually cover "consequential damages". Depends on
> the individual policy. And nearly every inspection report comes with
> disclaimers. I know mine does and I'm sure Bill's and other's do as well. We
> have to cover our butts, too. A "catastrophic rigging failure" immediately
> after a rigging inspection will probably land everyone in court, or at the
> very least, giving depositions.  :-(.



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <230.697d9c6.311cd09a [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:06:34 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)

Excellent point! For the "what could go wrong and how much could we lose"  
data, Dr. Randal Davidson (AKA Dr. Doom) is the best source. His associate, Jay  
Stone has a data base of all sorts of cases where things went  wrong. I've 
read things from them like "What happened when the HS kid who  rock climbs on 
the weekends tried to be Peter Pan from the gym rafters" and  "what happened 
when the kid fell through the open, unmarked trap door". Sobering  reading. Risk 
Management and Associates is their company.
 
Dr. Doom just put out a new book aimed at HS administrators,  teachers, and 
board members that details some of those issues and gives ideas of  what to 
look for as well as how to make things safer.
 
My question comes because of an incident also discussed on this board  
recently... Beloit Memorial HS (WI) had their rigging system "condemned" and are  
fund raising to repair it. I'm not 100% confident of the person who did their  
inspection, as I don't know him and the plethora of typos on his report makes 
me  wonder about his qualifications. A teacher friend here asked me how you can 
tell  that the person doing the inspection really knows their stuff. My first 
reply  was, "I know several people whom I personally trust, but I don't know 
how to  explain what a school should require." 
 
Lord knows I'd trust Unkle Bill with my life. By extension, I do - he  did a 
workshop here to train our IA riggers about 12 years ago and they  regularly 
work overhead of me. Plus I've learned from him as well as other list  members, 
books, and seminars my IA local has done so I'm now confident  that I have 
both the knowledge and experience to rig MOST things with  a theatre 
counterweight system. But to inspect it? Nope. I wouldn't even start. 
 
Kristi
 
 
 theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes:
Just to play devil's advocate  here: the response to which would likely be 
"So what? We're a school, we don't  do rock concerts."
 

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:07:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
	Counter-weight system)
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C010E0E9.D751%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457234 [at] prxy.net>

>> Just to play devil's advocate here: the response to which
>> would likely be "So what? We're a school, we don't do rock concerts."
> 
> Newton's laws. Physics. "What goes up..." It's all the same
> and Rock concerts - (hopefully) designed, set up, and run by highly qualified
> enteratainment and rigging processionals.
> Schools - run by parents club volunteers and maintained by the janitor (an
> EXAGGERATION to make a point - no flames please!).
> 
> If a catastrophic failure like AC/Timberlake can happen with professionals
> at the helm... Well, you do the math.
> 
So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We can't take such risks around our
students. Lets close the auditorium down and don't let anyone use it! Too
much of a liability risk!"

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <12c.6e9d23a7.311cd1e4 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:12:04 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)

nah... cause then they'd have to stop sports too.
 
bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes:
So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We  can't take such risks around our 
students. Lets close the auditorium down and  don't let anyone use it! Too much of a 
liability risk!"
 

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:12:54 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAALUrNhp2gIE+pbvbogsvM4wEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27457398 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:

>My reports do not carry a disclaimer.

You're a better man than I Gunga Din.

Mine carry minimal, very specific disclaimers to cover such things as stuff
I just can't see (like teeth inside gearboxes). 

But I have the same philosophy. If I screwed up, I screwed up. I'll make it
right if you give me the chance.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:19:31 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAA1FjypXSDY0Gi5UkKpMshXgEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27457473 [at] prxy.net>

Bruce Purdy wrote:

>So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We can't take such risks 
>around our students. Lets close the auditorium down and don't 
>let anyone use it! Too much of a liability risk!"

Oh now I strongly disagree! You don't stop the HS football program just
because someone gets injured. More kids have died playing football than
using the rigging system (granted more kids play football than operate
rigging systems, but if you ask me, the risk for injury is greater when
being repeated slammed by a 250lb linebacker).

It's about managing risk. If properly managed, the risk is minimal.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:34:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Colored Lamps for Music stand lights
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <C010E756.2501%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-27430474 [at] prxy.net>

Used to be able to get the tube lamps for aquariums in blue and green to
work in music stand lights.

Colored lamps eliminates the musicians removing the gel.

Merel


On 2/8/06 4:10 PM, "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>  I am looking for colored lamps that would fit the fixtures used in music
>  stands.  Would need to 110Vac in the 25 - 40 watt range Blue or Red in
>  color, tubular style.  Can some point me in the right Direction
>  
>  Randy
>  


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:39:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010E86F.8C47%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457455 [at] prxy.net>

Ya know?  If a person sends me their resume and there's a typo on it.  Just
one little typo.....I trash the resume.  If they can't pay attention to
their resume, why would they pay attention to their work.

Now let's talk about a rigging inspection.  Typo's?  Lack of attention to
detail?  For overhead rigging?????  No way.  Where I come from that person
should get ridden out of town on a rail.

(So.  How do you really feel about it Bill?)

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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On 2/9/06 12:06 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" <MissWisc [at] aol.com> wrote:

> I'm not 100% confident of the person who did their
> inspection, as I don't know him and the plethora of typos on his report makes
> me  wonder about his qualifications.



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010EB23.8C4A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27458171 [at] prxy.net>

Great.  It's finally lunch time and I actually have time to respond to all
this stuff, and it's become nice and quiet.  I guess everyone else is eating
lunch too.  

So, we'll pick this up again in, what, say about 15 minutes?

Is anyone getting any work done today?
<<GG>>
Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:57:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of
	aCounter-weight system)
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C010ECB8.D75B%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457724 [at] prxy.net>

>> So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We can't take such risks
>> around our students. Lets close the auditorium down and don't
>> let anyone use it! Too much of a liability risk!"
> 
> Oh now I strongly disagree! You don't stop the HS football program just
> because someone gets injured. More kids have died playing football than
> using the rigging system (granted more kids play football than operate
> rigging systems, but if you ask me, the risk for injury is greater when
> being repeated slammed by a 250lb linebacker).
> 
> It's about managing risk. If properly managed, the risk is minimal.

    Oh I'm with you 100%!

    What I was referring to was the gut reaction you are likely to get when
showing an administrator "Shock value" pictures like the rigging disaster in
AC. The comment that These were professional riggers involved, and your
auditorium is staffed by students and parents, coupled with horror stories
of worst case scenarios .....   Well I think that's what will go through
their minds, that's all.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Message-ID: <20060209180557.78527.qmail [at] web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:05:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Lisa Beardmore <terracedirocks [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: AHJ and fire
In-Reply-To: <list-27449690 [at] prxy.net>

I've been lurking for awhile but haven't
posted...guess that means another round of beer from
the newbie...Wow, what a good thing you guys have
going.

Thanks so much for the eqo boosts...Laura can attest
that with all the stress of looking for work, I needed
that! And BTW I AM still hunting....hint, hint.  Laura
has been a joy to work with as well, and I will miss
her when this gig ends.

You are probably correct Chris, the City will cut
corners anywhere they can....Could I tell you stories.
 But in defense it was a steady job and I met a lot of
great people like you.

Lisa Miller

Imagination is more important than knowledge.  Knowledge is limited.  Imagination encircles the world.  --Albert Einstein

My Resume   http://www.geocities.com/terracedirocks/
http://destinationimagination.org/
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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:12:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life
 ofaCounter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C010F058.8C51%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27458674 [at] prxy.net>

On 2/9/06 12:57 PM, "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>     What I was referring to was the gut reaction you are likely to get when
> showing an administrator "Shock value" pictures like the rigging disaster in
> AC. The comment that These were professional riggers involved, and your
> auditorium is staffed by students and parents, coupled with horror stories
> of worst case scenarios .....   Well I think that's what will go through
> their minds, that's all.

Well, yes and no.  you are right that the photos scare those that don't
understand what it's all about back stage and they do worry about the
kiddees and all and yes, their knee-jerk reaction is to close the place
down.

But at some point cooler heads prevail.  The theatre, especially in less
urban areas, is a huge asset to the community and people usually figure this
out when threatened with losing it.  I've been doing inspections for a very
long time and it is extremely rare to "condemn" a building.  Even rarer is
to have one close because of an inspection.  I can only remember it
happening once.  It was a good thing too.  Bad, bad, place.  Not nice people
running it.  Everyone was better off with it gone.

Bill S.
(back from lunch.  Turkey hoagie.  No cheese)
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <203.11ce58c5.311ce130 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:17:20 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)

In a message dated 09/02/06 14:47:10 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> ...The lowest bidder who meets the specifications.
>  
>  Writing proper specs is everything.

It is, indeed, but you need to know the subject well to write one. 

Frank Wood

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From: "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:56:04 -0500
Message-ID: <006601c62daa$7a9393a0$180aa8c0 [at] ftoffice.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-27459071 [at] prxy.net>

Like Bill said, it all depends.  

For example I'm familiar with one venue that has been condemned by a rigging
inspection (in a state college)and events are still held in it daily.  The
administration is more worried about new stage lighting then they are about
the possibility of something falling.

I'm also working with several public school systems that are looking to
increase safety in their schools by bringing in theatre professionals to
train their drama teachers, inspect systems, inspect safety of scenery built
for shows, recommend alternative effects for shows that call for pyro, etc.
Some of the drama teachers are very upset by it but they are also the ones
in the most unsafe schools doing the most unsafe things.  I didn't have to
go out and find these systems, they are actually starting to realize that
they have problems on their own.

Sam Fisher
General Manager / VP 
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:13 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life
ofaCounter-weight system)

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

On 2/9/06 12:57 PM, "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>     What I was referring to was the gut reaction you are likely to get
when
> showing an administrator "Shock value" pictures like the rigging disaster
in
> AC. The comment that These were professional riggers involved, and your
> auditorium is staffed by students and parents, coupled with horror stories
> of worst case scenarios .....   Well I think that's what will go through
> their minds, that's all.

Well, yes and no.  you are right that the photos scare those that don't
understand what it's all about back stage and they do worry about the
kiddees and all and yes, their knee-jerk reaction is to close the place
down.

But at some point cooler heads prevail.  The theatre, especially in less
urban areas, is a huge asset to the community and people usually figure this
out when threatened with losing it.  I've been doing inspections for a very
long time and it is extremely rare to "condemn" a building.  Even rarer is
to have one close because of an inspection.  I can only remember it
happening once.  It was a good thing too.  Bad, bad, place.  Not nice people
running it.  Everyone was better off with it gone.

Bill S.
(back from lunch.  Turkey hoagie.  No cheese)
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
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Message-ID: <43EB9139.1040707 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:00:09 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27458500 [at] prxy.net>

No work, but I got my eyes examined.  Maybe tomorrow I'll get my head 
examined.  That would be useful. ;)
Steve

Bill Sapsis wrote:

> Is anyone getting any work done today?
> <<GG>>


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Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:01:24 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B37 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu

> No work, but I got my eyes examined.  Maybe tomorrow I'll get my head=20
> examined.  That would be useful. ;)

I find it more useful to only take the time to examine things I actually
use...

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Message-ID: <43EB927C.4040705 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:05:32 -0800
From: Bill Schaffell <wjss [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: Spansets

Yesterday I was working on a corporate event installing decor. For the 
show there are 3 circus performers doing the "flying fabric" ala Cirque 
du Soleil. I was asked to take the performer up in the lift so he could 
install the rigging.

He choked a 6' spanset around the double 4x12 wood beams. From this he 
clipped in his fabric with a live swivel between 2 carabiners. My 
question is: I thought spansets were for static loads. The point where 
the spanset is choked will be "grinding" against itself as the 
performers swing in large circles 45' down below. Is this an accident 
waiting to happen?

Bill Schaffell


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:04:54 -0600
From: Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: ERS Optics
Message-ID: <40D0914C9F4413E5D79145A9 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-27411061 [at] prxy.net>
References:  <list-27411061 [at] prxy.net>



--On Tuesday, February 7, 2006 "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu> 
wrote:

> If you can find a copy of Willard Bellman's 2nd edition, (Lighting
> the  Stage, Art and Practice)there is a diagram of this process on
> the bottom  of page 84.

I've been intrigued by this question for some time.  The drawing on 
page 84 of Bellman's book is an accurate drawing of what I've observed 
when watching beams of light from ellipsoidals when the stage has a 
fair amount of haze to light up the beam characteristics.  The question 
now becomes why does the lens system not bend all light rays in the 
same manner?  The drawing has one pair of light rays that cross,  the 
other pair doesn't.

____________________________________
Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design
Department of Theatre
University of Minnesota Duluth
www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner')
Subject: RE: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:24:07 -0700
Message-ID: <02c101c62dae$6636baa0$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457201 [at] prxy.net>

Ah yes. And with iodine crystals and ammonia .... how we all survived. doom

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:57 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism

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In the 7th or 8th grade I was intrigued by lenses and rays and such and came

up with a science fair project to build and demonstrate an acoustic lens. 
Build an inflatable lens shaped thing and fill with a gas.  So, I brought it

in and had been thinking CO2.  The science teacher suggested gas - as in 
natural gas like used for Bunsen Burners naturally.  Started to inflate the 
lens and heard these crackly sounds.  Being in a northern clime in winter, 
static electricity reared it's head so I'm standing there with balloon 
filling with natural gas and sparks all around.  We quickly turned off the 
gas and moved to a window to deflate the lens to the outside without 
incident.  I believe the science teacher past away as a result of natural 
causes and not natural gas and I survived this long at least.

Bill C. 


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:31:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Spansets
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C01102AB.8C61%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27460309 [at] prxy.net>

In the long run, yes.  But it really depends on how often he/she uses that
particular spanset and what it's load rating is.  Frankly, I would not use a
spanset in this manner and have counseled against it many times.  A proper
clamp for the beam to the load rated swivel would be more appropriate.

Bill Sapsis
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 2/9/06 2:05 PM, "Bill Schaffell" <wjss [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Yesterday I was working on a corporate event installing decor. For the
> show there are 3 circus performers doing the "flying fabric" ala Cirque
> du Soleil. I was asked to take the performer up in the lift so he could
> install the rigging.
> 
> He choked a 6' spanset around the double 4x12 wood beams. From this he
> clipped in his fabric with a live swivel between 2 carabiners. My
> question is: I thought spansets were for static loads. The point where
> the spanset is choked will be "grinding" against itself as the
> performers swing in large circles 45' down below. Is this an accident
> waiting to happen?
> 
> Bill Schaffell
> 



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060209125338.00d1f360 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:53:38
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: excess-flow check valves in scenery

>>  Hi all.  I've been following the list for a while, but this=20
>> is my first post, so don't be too hard on me. <grin>

...is how it showed up when Paul trimmed this bit.

>SGkgYWxsLiAgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGZvbGxvd2luZyB0aGUgbGlzdCBmb3IgYSB3aGlsZSwgYnV0IHRo
>aXMgaXMgbXkKZmlyc3QgcG9zdCwgc28gZG9uJ3QgYmUgdG9vIGhhcmQgb24gbWUuIDxncmluPiAg

..is how it showed up when it was originally posted.  I think we traced
this problem to an AOL or Gmail setting?  Or is it my Eudora?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Subject: RE: excess-flow check valves in scenery
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:59:44 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B38 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> >SGkgYWxsLiAgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGZvbGxvd2luZyB0aGUgbGlzdCBmb3IgYSB3a
> GlsZSwgYnV
> >0IHRo
> >aXMgaXMgbXkKZmlyc3QgcG9zdCwgc28gZG9uJ3QgYmUgdG9vIGhhcmQgb24gb
> WUuIDxncmluPiAg
>=20
> ..is how it showed up when it was originally posted.  I think=20
> we traced this problem to an AOL or Gmail setting?  Or is it=20
> my Eudora?

Could be a setting on the OP's machine regarding unicode encryption or
something that my Outlook (yes, I work with the spawn of Satan)
translated correctly when resending to the list.

One of these days I think I'm gonna purposely send some strings of
random characters to the list (and employ a few people to reply in
similarly-garbled tones) just to mess with Chris's head. :)

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060209130100.00d1f360 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:01:00
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery

>Eee gads!  I guess I may have to take out that loan after all....

Wierd, that one came through clear as a bell the first time...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060209130807.00d1f360 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:08:07
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: AHJ and fire

>Actually, she's the person who told me about the fire department thing, as
>she's currently my assistant at the opera. I second your opinion of her by
>the way and will be very sorry to loose her when she finds a better
>position.

Tell her I said hello.  All the folk there were especially nice and made
the venue a joy. And I did send that message back to management, and heard
that it got posted so that not only did the kids get the kudos, they knew
that mangament knew that I knew...  you know.
As far as keeping her, do what they do when they want me to stay around.
More money!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:18:38 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight
 system)
In-reply-to: <list-27460075 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43EBA39E.1080001 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27460075 [at] prxy.net>

Sam Fisher wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
  > For example I'm familiar with one venue that has been condemned by a 
rigging
> inspection (in a state college)and events are still held in it daily.  The
> administration is more worried about new stage lighting then they are about
> the possibility of something falling.

A privately run theatre in town had their fly system condemned a few 
years ago after a safety inspection.  They ripped it out and dead hung 
battens from the grid in order to stay open.

Steve l.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:25:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life
	ofaCounter-weight system)
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C0110F79.D772%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27461979 [at] prxy.net>

 From: Stephen Litterst wrote:
> A privately run theatre in town had their fly system condemned a few
> years ago after a safety inspection.  They ripped it out and dead hung
> battens from the grid in order to stay open.

    That would be the State?

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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In-Reply-To: <list-27461377 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27461377 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <49247267-0947-4B27-BD63-8395C1B39DA8 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:34:19 -0700

It's all about you, Chris...


On Feb 9, 2006, at 12:53 PM, CB wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>>>  Hi all.  I've been following the list for a while, but this=20
>>> is my first post, so don't be too hard on me. <grin>
>
> ...is how it showed up when Paul trimmed this bit.
>
>> SGkgYWxsLiAgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGZvbGxvd2luZyB0aGUgbGlzdCBmb3IgYSB3aGlsZSwgY 
>> nV0IHRo
>> aXMgaXMgbXkKZmlyc3QgcG9zdCwgc28gZG9uJ3QgYmUgdG9vIGhhcmQgb24gbWUuIDxnc 
>> mluPiAg
>
> ..is how it showed up when it was originally posted.  I think we  
> traced
> this problem to an AOL or Gmail setting?  Or is it my Eudora?
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ
>
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...


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Subject: EPS to lauan?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:35:21 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B39 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

I *know* this subject's come up more times than I can count, but I can't
find the answer in my gmail so I guess it's been a while (or I'm not
using the right search terms)...

Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying adhesive to attach
pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan?  First priority is
durability/strength of bond, second priority is a quick setup time.  Low
cost would be gravy.

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Subject: RE: excess-flow check valves in scenery
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:35:52 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B3A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> It's all about you, Chris...

Well, duh! <g>

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Message-ID: <20060209204634.99129.qmail [at] web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:46:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
In-Reply-To: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>

--- Paul Schreiner <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:
> Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying
> adhesive to attach
> pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan? 

I've used Liquid Nails with some success. The biggest
problem was the cure time. I had to add a few staples
to hold the foam in place while the adhesive cured. It
seemed to take a little longer to do so than normal, I
think possibly because the foam slowed the evaporation
of the solvent. I have also used 100% silicone caulk.
It seemed to hold about as well as Liquid Nails but
had a higher initial tack which made it a little
easier to work with.
I haven't used it for foam to lauan, but I have used
DAP Weldwood water based contact cement with good
results to glue foam to foam. I would expect you would
have as good of results with foam to lauan. It is
available at Lowe's and Home Depot in my area.

Mike Heinicke

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In-Reply-To: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
Message-ID: <OFE237408F.6843A21B-ON85257110.0071941F-85257110.0071FB98 [at] uncg.edu>
From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS <CEHAAS [at] uncg.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:47:24 -0500

I am a huge fan of 3M's Fastbond 30NF (either the green or neutral)  for 
attaching blue board to lumber or to itself.

I used to order it thru Grainger, but we have a local supplier here in 
G'boro that I go through now.

Chip Haas
Technical Director
Department of Theatre
The University of North Carolina at Greensboro

336-334-3891

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:48:51 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
In-reply-to: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43EBAAB3.4040704 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>

Paul Schreiner wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
>Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying adhesive to attach
> pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan?  First priority is
> durability/strength of bond, second priority is a quick setup time.  Low
> cost would be gravy.

Gee, I can never remember the name, but It's a green contact adhesive 
from 3M.  Works great for us, we do a lot of foam in our scenery.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

------------------------------

Subject: RE: EPS to lauan?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:50:07 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B3B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I am a huge fan of 3M's Fastbond 30NF (either the green or=20
> neutral)  for=20
> attaching blue board to lumber or to itself.

Thanks!  *That's* the one I was trying to remember!

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:51:17 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: LifeofaCounter-weight
 system)
In-reply-to: <list-27462214 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43EBAB45.7050304 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27462214 [at] prxy.net>

Bruce Purdy wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>  From: Stephen Litterst wrote:
>> A privately run theatre in town had their fly system condemned a few
>> years ago after a safety inspection.  They ripped it out and dead hung
>> battens from the grid in order to stay open.
> 
>     That would be the State?

Yep.  Their challenge is that they have all the equipment that Cornell 
removed from the Statler auditorium when it was renovated, they just 
can't afford to have it all installed.

It will be a great theatre once they find $5-6 million to put into it. 
Lots of personality.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-27462773 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
Message-ID: <OF3567E65D.212A52EA-ON85257110.00729F26-85257110.00726E73 [at] uncg.edu>
From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS <CEHAAS [at] uncg.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:52:18 -0500

You're welcome!   That's what we're here for  :)


Chip Haas
Technical Director
Department of Theatre
The University of North Carolina at Greensboro

336-334-3891

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:57:33 -0500
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C01116EC.D77A%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27462667 [at] prxy.net>

 Paul Schreiner  wrote:
> Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying
> adhesive to attach
> pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan?
> 
    I have seen recommendations on the list before for the "This to that"
website
http://www.thistothat.com/

    They don't offer very specific options for materials to be bonded, but
looking up "Styrofoam to Wood" I found the following advise:

    

Elmer's Probond Polyurethane Adhesive
LePage's Universal Adhesive
Gorilla Glue 
or any other Polyurethane adhesive

but remember you must clamp this bond while it cures.
For an alternative that requires no clamping we recommend:

LePage's Press-Tite Green Contact Cement
Other alternatives that require no clamping but are a stronger bond if you
can clamp, we recommend:

LePage's Bulldog Grip PL200
No More Nails 

For the fastest bond we recommend:

Hot Glue 

but remember to put the glue on the wood first, then contact it to the
Styrofoam. And for the least toxic alternative we recommend:

Weldbond 
 Styrofoam is a plastic that has been whipped up like a milkshake and then
cured that way. That's what makes it light. Like plastic, there are many
different formulas for Styrofoam. They may contain any combination of
styrene, urethane, neoprene or vinyl. For this reason choosing the correct
adhesive is not easy. For our tests we used polystyrene which is a
composition of styrene, chlorodifluoroethane and ethyl chloride, for those
of you who care. The most important things to remember when choosing an
adhesive for Styrofoam are:
*    Never use an adhesive that contains a solvent. It will erode the
Styrofoam releasing all sorts of toxic fumes
*    Choose adhesives that are suited for not porous materials (remember
styrofoams are plastics and plastics are non-porous)
*    Never use hot glue directly on to Styrofoam. There are some cases when
hot glue is an appropriate adhesive, but it should be applied to the
material you are bonding the Styrofoam to and left to cool a few seconds
before contacting the Styrofoam. The glue will get lost in the hole that it
has burned, and burning plastics releases toxic fumes.
*    Remember, a glue is only as strong as the weakest material in the
union. Styrofoam is easily broken and has very little tensile strength. In
our tests, if the Styrofoam broke before the bond, the glue was considered
strong enough. 

Hope that helps.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:06:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was:
	LifeofaCounter-weight system)
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C01118EE.D781%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27462808 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Litterst wrote:

>> That would be the State?
> 
> Yep.  Their challenge is that they have all the equipment that Cornell
> removed from the Statler auditorium when it was renovated, they just
> can't afford to have it all installed.
> 
> It will be a great theatre once they find $5-6 million to put into it.
> Lots of personality.

    It's certainly improved from what it used to be though. When I worked
there in the 80's (When it was strictly a movie theatre - actually a twin,
the balcony being closed off to form a separate theatre) there was a major
leak that had water running straight down through the rheostat stage dimmer
board. 

    Although we didn't use the stage, some of those circuits were hot. Scary
times! 

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Subject: RE: EPS to lauan?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:32:52 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B3C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

>     I have seen recommendations on the list before for the=20
> "This to that" website http://www.thistothat.com/

Yeah, I had checked that first and couldn't find what I was looking for
regarding something quicker or NOT requiring clamping (though I'm going
to have to anyway, since this particular project involves laminating
1/8" lauan to the sides of a curved sweep of the foam.

Now if I could just find some thin sheets of frosted plexiglas-like
substance (that is lightweight and rigid) that run substantially less
than $4.50/sq. ft., I'll be a happy camper...

(I know, sounds like the perfect application for transparent aluminum.
Where's James Doohan when you need him?)

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Message-ID: <6ff650f0602091346n110054c8gc3c3b374e72f332e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:46:33 -0500
From: Kyle Schoenfeld <schoenfeldkyle [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
In-Reply-To: <list-27463946 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27463946 [at] prxy.net>

You might also try an adhesive for Fiberglass reinforced panels - I
think Titebond made the one I used, came in caulk gun tube or by the
bucket.  We laid it on like tile adhesive (based on the instructions)
and it had a very high initial tack and hold - no real need to clamp.=20
It worked great for multipiece assembly since you could start putting
on the next piece before the last piece had completely dried.  Not
sure if it would hold with out clamping on the curve, but it might
based on the radius of the curve.

Hope that helps-

Kyle Schoenfeld
Technical Director
Hofstra University Dept. of Drama and Dance

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From: "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
Subject: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:49:52 -0500
Message-ID: <JNEMKLCHNOMOHOGEILMLCEECCOAA.anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>

Hey, Cats and Kittens -

Does anyone have some old Strand 2200 Series Ellipsoidals in their stock out
there? I have a customer asking me for a pattern holder for a 2209 and I
have nothing to reference in our library of fixtures. The customer said
Strand referred them to me. I did check the Strand Archive website already
and had no luck. Memory tells me that it's the same pattern holder as the
Altman 360Q but that's some durned shaky ground. ;-)  Thanks.

Andrew

Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager
City Theatrical, Inc.
752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454
Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
web:    www.citytheatrical.com





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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:45 -0700
From: Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
Subject: Cabaret Rights
Message-id: <43EBB9E9.6020507 [at] du.edu>
Organization: DU Theatre

Not really stagecraft but with all the places we all work I'm hoping 
someone here has worked on a production of Cabaret using the 
Donmar/Roundabout version from 1993 and can help us find the rights for 
that version.  Tams Whitmark which holds the rights to the first two 
versions is very unhelpful.
Thanks,
Davy
-- 
William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair
Department of Theatre
University of Denver
wdavis [at] du.edu
303-871-3164


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