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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #686

 1. Re: Conversion of Gell numnber
    by John Vink <johnnyveee [at] gmail.com>
 2. Re: Cabaret Rights
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 3. Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 4. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
 5. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 6. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: LifeofaCounter-weight system)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 7. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 8. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 9. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
10. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
11. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
12. Re: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
    by Tony Kambic <tony [at] focusnote.com>
13. Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
14. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
15. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
16. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
17. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
18. Colored Cable?
    by Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
19. Re: AHJ and fire
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
20. EPS and fire marshall
    by BKHAIN [at] aol.com
21. Re: Colored Cable?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
22. Rigging inspections
    by BKHAIN [at] aol.com
23. excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
24. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
25. Rigging Inspections
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
26. Re: EPS and fire marshall
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
27. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
28. Re: Rigging inspections
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
29. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
30. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
31. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
32. Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
    by Michael Powers <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
33. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
34. Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
35. Re: ERS Optics
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

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Message-ID: <b5fae8560602091416s44217a3cm67b66a75ffef5976 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:16:59 -0700
From: John Vink <johnnyveee [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Conversion of Gell numnber
In-Reply-To: <list-27430498 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27430498 [at] prxy.net>

http://download.internetapollo.com/Default.aspx?id=3D41

On 2/8/06, Randy B. <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>  Could someone point me to an on-line resource that will list equivalent
> gels
>  based on manufacturer number.  To be specific we have some glees that ou=
r
>  lighting designer spec'ed with Rosco numbers but our stock gels are from
>  Lee.
>
>  thanks
>  Randy
>
>
>

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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <281.5705000.311d1a67 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:21:27 EST
Subject: Re: Cabaret Rights


In a message dated 2/9/06 4:54:36 PM, wdavis [at] du.edu writes:

<< Not really stagecraft but with all the places we all work I'm hoping 

someone here has worked on a production of Cabaret using the 

Donmar/Roundabout version from 1993 and can help us find the rights for 

that version.  Tams Whitmark which holds the rights to the first two 

versions is very unhelpful.

Thanks,

Davy >>

Call Roundabout ? 

keith arsenault

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <21f.7ac1b51.311d2529 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:07:21 EST
Subject: Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism

In a message dated 09/02/06 19:24:44 GMT Standard Time, 
doomster [at] worldnet.att.net writes:

> Ah yes. And with iodine crystals and ammonia .... how we all survived. doom

The dried precipitate is good for ants. It serves as an ant-size landmine. 
That's how sensitive it is. The purple smoke is quite pretty, too.

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <ce2084ad0602091519g13ab98dfr50c73def2d1f41a1 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:19:57 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
In-Reply-To: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net>

Paul:

Put me on the respondents list.  Happy to contribute to CB's head trip.
--
Ken Romaine
Business Development Manager
Barco Media & Entertainment
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

On 2/9/06, Paul Schreiner <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:
> > >SGkgYWxsLiAgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGZvbGxvd2luZyB0aGUgbGlzdCBmb3IgYSB3a
> > GlsZSwgYnV
> > >0IHRo
> > >aXMgaXMgbXkKZmlyc3QgcG9zdCwgc28gZG9uJ3QgYmUgdG9vIGhhcmQgb24gb
> > WUuIDxncmluPiAg
>
> One of these days I think I'm gonna purposely send some strings of
> random characters to the list (and employ a few people to reply in
> similarly-garbled tones) just to mess with Chris's head. :)

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Message-ID: <43EBCF7A.2030206 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:25:46 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
References: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>

Paul,
Using his head to suggest PL300.  ;)
Also consider 3M Fastbond 30-H or 30-NF.
Best,
Steve


Paul Schreiner wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I *know* this subject's come up more times than I can count, but I can't
> find the answer in my gmail so I guess it's been a while (or I'm not
> using the right search terms)...
> 
> Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying adhesive to attach
> pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan?  First priority is
> durability/strength of bond, second priority is a quick setup time.  Low
> cost would be gravy.



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <207.122da46b.311d29e9 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:27:37 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: LifeofaCounter-weight system)

In a message dated 09/02/06 20:26:32 GMT Standard Time, 
bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes:

> > A privately run theatre in town had their fly system condemned a few
>  > years ago after a safety inspection.  They ripped it out and dead hung
>  > battens from the grid in order to stay open.

A flying system, installed by a competent supplier who does all the sums 
right, is fine. They use rated shackles, chain, and blocks, and do all the wire 
terminations right. The problem comes after a few years use. Odd unrated 
shackles creep in: odd lengths of anchor chain from someone's boat appear: wire 
sleeves are crimped with the wrong tool. That's apart from 'fair wear and tear'.

That's really what a proper inspection is for: to find all these things and 
to get rid of them, plus to look at the wear and tear. And it is costly. 

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <19a.45464564.311d2bc1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:35:29 EST
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?

In a message dated 09/02/06 20:47:02 GMT Standard Time, 
mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net writes:

> I haven't used it for foam to lauan, but I have used
>  DAP Weldwood water based contact cement with good
>  results to glue foam to foam. I would expect you would
>  have as good of results with foam to lauan. It is
>  available at Lowe's and Home Depot in my area.

If there is a bonding problem, a possible solution is to pre-coat one of the 
parts with something, and then to use an adhesive which will bond to the 
pre-coat. Say, coat the lauan with two-part polyurethane, and then use an acrylic 
adhesive. Many possible combinations exist, and that is just an example, and 
may not work well.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <268.571081f.311d2ec0 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:48:16 EST
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?

In a message dated 09/02/06 21:33:31 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> Now if I could just find some thin sheets of frosted plexiglas-like
>  substance (that is lightweight and rigid) that run substantially less
>  than $4.50/sq. ft., I'll be a happy camper...

Plexiglas, which I think we call Perspex, is poly-methyl-methacrylate. It is 
thermoplastic, and can be bent with careful heating. The standard adhesive is 
a solution of Perspex in chloroform, otherwise known, in the UK, as 'Durofix'. 
How well this bonds to wood I do not know.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <027601c62dd5$343d89d0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:01:54 -0600

Someone posted  "Anyone can buy  E&O insurance."

Sure.  Lots of companies out there willing to risk a million bucks that 
anybody can do it and nobody makes mistakes.  Sure.

And what socialist country do you live in? (Oh right - maybe you're the 
poster not far from Madison.)

Go ahead and try to get professional liability insurance.  Call an agent. 
See how far you get.

Bill C. - ASTC and an ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre with professional 
liability insurance. 


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In-Reply-To: <list-27454698 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27454698 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <7C1AAC65-124D-4184-95DA-87CAFECE033E [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:11:13 -0500


On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote:
> Holy smokes.  Did I die or something?  It's beginning to sound like  
> a wake,
> all these testimonials and stuff.  But don't stop...I like it.  I  
> Like it.
>
> <<VBG>>
>
> On 2/9/06 9:47 AM, "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> And Unca Bill knows I mean no disrespect to his retail and install  
>> business.
>> :-)   I'd trust Bill to do both without hesitation. He's a rare  
>> blend of
>> competence and honesty.


We hope you didn't die, Bill, and we all know (or should know) that  
Peter's right about you. You are top o' the heap.

BUT...
We just don't want you trying to operate a water hose at a rest stop  
in BFE, Kansas, now do we?

Heh-heh-heh. Couldn't resist. _Someone_ had to do it... we didn't  
want your head getting too big for your helmet!

-=Greg Williams=-
Production Manager
Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University

www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us!



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Message-ID: <002f01c62dd8$720083a0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner)
References: <list-27468217 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:25:06 -0700

The last time I needed project insurance, I was put off two weeks while
the agent "investigated"  me, and the GC, the engineer, and architect.
Which was fine, we half way expected it,  had all our ducks in a row,
and was still within the timeline for installation.

(aside) In the last 9 years that (static) installation has been
inspected twice.


Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>


> Sure.  Lots of companies out there willing to risk a million bucks
that
> anybody can do it and nobody makes mistakes.  Sure.
>
> And what socialist country do you live in? (Oh right - maybe you're
the
> poster not far from Madison.)
>
> Go ahead and try to get professional liability insurance.  Call an
agent.
> See how far you get.


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:30:30 -0500
From: Tony Kambic <tony [at] focusnote.com>
Subject: RE: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
In-reply-to: <list-27453004 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <000001c62dd9$329c6020$09bc5743 [at] tony>

Greetings!

Has Rosco offered to do it for you? Last time I had Rocso make an Image Pro
slide, they asked me the throw distance, height from the stage, & beam angle
and then calculated the keystone themselves. I remember because later we had
to move the fixture & change the barrel. All I had to do we give them the
new dimensions and they made another slide.

Hope this helps,

Tony Kambic
Electronics & Lighting Technician
NY, NY

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of G. D.
> George
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:58 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Keystone correction for Image Pro slide
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone tried correcting for keystone when creating an image pro slide?
> I've
> been told that Photoshop will do that, but haven't played with it yet.
> 
> 
> G. D. George
> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
> Capital University Theatre
> Department of Communications
> 1 College and Main
> Columbus, OH 43209
> 
> (614) 236-6498
> ggeorge [at] capital.edu
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill
> Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:58 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: ERS Optics
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> > Okay, while I've expressed my expectation that the gate was beyond F2, I
> > can understand this.
> 
> It could be put on either side.
> 
> You want the lens to focus on the object (gate, shutters or gobo), not on
> F2. Because the desired image distance varies, the lens has to be
> adjustable to do this - since we are not projecting to infinite distances.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 



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Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20060210112129.042936e0 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:32:24 +1100
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: Boom - or how I eluded Darwinism
In-Reply-To: <list-27466883 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:07 10.02.2006, Frank Wood wrote:

>In a message dated 09/02/06 19:24:44 GMT Standard Time,
>doomster [at] worldnet.att.net writes:
>
> > Ah yes. And with iodine crystals and ammonia .... how we all survived. doom
>
>The dried precipitate is good for ants. It serves as an ant-size landmine.
>That's how sensitive it is. The purple smoke is quite pretty, too.

The batch I made at age 15 never got to that stage. Whilst it was outside 
in the garden, drying on the filter paper, a breeze came up and it drifted 
down to the ground. When our family dog came over to investigate, his paw 
triggered the still-wet precipitate and singed the fur on his leg. I was so 
upset from scaring my beloved dog that I never made Touch Powder again. 
Nevertheless, I later trained and qualified as a powdermonkey (shotfirer).
Andy



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Message-ID: <027a01c62dda$33566be0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:37:40 -0600

"I suppose, but if you're at the Bellagio do you really want the guy who has 
inspected 10 elementary schools and a high school?"

I'm willing to wager (pun intended) that if you are at the Bellagio, you can 
hire whomever you damn well please and don't have to put up with low 
bidders.

I'll agree with Bill S that writing specs for inspection services is 
questionable at best.  Issuing a request for a proposal is a more typical 
method to hiring professional services.  Typically, for instance, when 
hiring an architect or engineer, the Owner issues requests for proposals. 
(I think lawyers and accountants are often similar.)  Often times, even with 
public money, they are not bound to hire the lowest cost architect.  There 
may be a budget or fee guidelines, but they can select based on credentials, 
interviews, and what is offered in the proposal.  Often the selection is fee 
blind and the proposers are ranked on merit and an effort is made to 
negotiate a contract with the highest ranked firm.

So, need rigging inspection?  Write a request for proposal and send it to 
anyone you might possibly consider.  Include the reasons you want an 
inspection.  With a small "committee"  - like yourself, the chair of the 
department, and a purchasing office person for instance - winnow it down to 
3 or 4 and then meet and rank one or two.  If it's a small project you may 
do it based on submitted material and a reference check or two; you could 
consider telephone interviews.  A larger project might warrant interviews.

In the end, you shouldn't buy professional services like you'd buy a leko or 
load of lumber for all the reasons enumerated in these many posts.

Bill Conner ASTC,  ETCP-CR-T  (m-o-u-s-e !)




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Message-ID: <fed227be0602091644k102618fewf5ff874b4ec16c65 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:44:26 -0500
From: Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
In-Reply-To: <list-27461377 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27461377 [at] prxy.net>

Erg?  Don't mean to take up space on the mailing list for this, but are
my messages garbled?  My first post was in rich text. (whoops,
should've read the do's and don'ts)  I resent in plain text after
receiving a mailing list error.

This help at all?
--
Matthew D. Jordan

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Message-ID: <027e01c62ddb$5151a230$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:45:40 -0600

Peter posts:  You don't stop the HS football program just because someone 
gets injured.

Which causes me to immediately recall hearing that cheerleaders are more at 
risk then the football layers based on injuries reported and I think:  what 
a place.  You can go from the life of a counterweight system to cheerleaders 
in just two days.  Amazing.

Bill C. 


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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:00:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0114FC4.8CB5%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27468438 [at] prxy.net>

What my good friend and riding buddy is referring to is a moment of
technical wizardry that happened on our ride last summer.   A water hose at
a rest stop along the interstate in Kansas  on a scorching day was too good
to pass up.  My not paying attention to the inner workings of the pump
handle resulted in my getting soaked, much to the glee of the rest of the
group.

Thanks Greg.  Just remember.  Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>




On 2/9/06 7:11 PM, "Greg Williams" <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu> wrote:

> BUT...
> We just don't want you trying to operate a water hose at a rest stop
> in BFE, Kansas, now do we?



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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:03:34 -0500
From: Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
Subject: Colored Cable?
Message-id: <41c606164b6ac86fb5e393e6d7f8a805 [at] williams.edu>

I'm looking for colored cable.  Red.  16/2 SJO or SO would be great.  
Each cable is carrying a max of 50 watts, so I could go with a colored 
mic cable if I had to.  Zip cord will not work in this  application.  
Any leads?

Cosmo


Cosmo Catalano
Technical Supervisor
62 Center for Theatre and Dance
Williams College
1000 Main St.
Williamstown, MA  01267
413-597-2590 (office)
413-597-4474 (fax)
413-822-0094 (cell)


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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV6E1E324AA32C3190BF6D7DF020 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: AHJ and fire
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:08:23 -0600
Message-ID: <000001c62de6$dfd93580$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-Reply-To: <list-27461729 [at] prxy.net>

If that would only solve it. Unfortunately the position is only for the
duration of our season, about 4 months. I have a feeling she will have found
other work before the next season rolls around again next October. :(

Laura
972-333-5016

> As far as keeping her, do what they do when they want me to stay around.
> More money!
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ

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From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <e5.24bf8807.311d5115 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:14:45 EST
Subject: EPS and fire marshall

Hey all, 

Our AHJ and fire marshall came through the theater the other day and one of 
their concerns was the 2 half sheets of EPS back in the shop. They don't like 
it, called it 'solid gasoline' and really don't want us to use it. Not even 
covered w/ fire retardant. 

So, how do you all get away with it? Just different fire marshall / AHJ 
requirements? 


Thanks everybody-

Benjamin Hain

Temporary TD
Rochester Community and Technical College
Rochester, MN

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Message-ID: <43EBF8FC.4020604 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:22:52 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: Colored Cable?
References: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>

Cosmo Catalano wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm looking for colored cable.  Red.  16/2 SJO or SO would be great.  
> Each cable is carrying a max of 50 watts, so I could go with a colored 
> mic cable if I had to.  Zip cord will not work in this  application.  
> Any leads?
> 
> Cosmo
> 

   What voltage?   If it's under 50 volts, then some of the beefier
microphone starquad cables may do the trick. ( have to check the
tables to be sure. )
    What's the application?


   --Dale


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From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <23a.6a59700.311d5326 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:23:34 EST
Subject: Rigging inspections


I'm pleased to say we are finally getting a rigging inspection lined up for 
the first time in ??? 20 years??? in this theater that I'm just a freelancer 
at. (...It's a long story...) And if I may say so I've pretty much initiated 
this whole safety inspection process at this place and I'm pretty pleased to have 
gotten it to this point! So all the recent discussion of counter weight 
systems has been very useful and informative! Some of the best advice I think I've 
gotten is "...become friends with your safety officer."  
'Course next thing is will there be any money to fix anything they find wrong 
in the inspection... 

Administration pretty much took my word on what company to hire for the 
inspection so I don't have to worry about 'Joe Blow at the hardware store'.  
I'm just sorry I'm not closer to Mr. Sapsis and company headquarters or other 
rigging companies / inspectors on this list! 

Thanks --

Ben


Benjamin Hain
Temporary TD
Rochester Community and Technical College
Rochester, MN

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Message-ID: <fed227be0602091839k398f7e9dwdd76e7d29b263d32 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:39:16 -0500
From: Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
Subject: excess-flow check valves in scenery

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Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.0.20060209215348.01c74e98 [at] insightbb.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:58:55 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
  Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27468849 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27468217 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-27468849 [at] prxy.net>

Professional liability E&O insurance IS available to anyone who would 
need it.

There are NOT lots of companies willing to risk a million bucks that 
anybody can do it.  Like most things, it's out there if you're 
willing to pay for it.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
>
>
> > Sure.  Lots of companies out there willing to risk a million bucks
>that
> > anybody can do it and nobody makes mistakes.  Sure.
> >
> > And what socialist country do you live in? (Oh right - maybe you're
>the
> > poster not far from Madison.)
> >
> > Go ahead and try to get professional liability insurance.  Call an
>agent.
> > See how far you get.


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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: Rigging Inspections
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:02:32 -0500
Message-ID: <002c01c62dee$6fedce40$6701a8c0 [at] M60>
In-Reply-To: <list-27467203 [at] prxy.net>

Jay Glerum leads rigging workshops which in the past have focused heavily on
inspection of theatrical rigging systems, since he does a lot of that.  He
is doing one this year at USITT.  Very worthwhile -- not to qualify you as
an inspector, but to provide a very good sense of what is involved.  May
provide good ammunition for spec-writing and budget negotiations with the
powers that be.

Jonathan



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Message-ID: <43EC04E1.10408 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:13:37 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: EPS and fire marshall
References: <list-27471056 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27471056 [at] prxy.net>

BKHAIN [at] aol.com wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> Our AHJ and fire marshall came through the theater the other day and one of 
> their concerns was the 2 half sheets of EPS back in the shop. They don't like 
> it, called it 'solid gasoline' and really don't want us to use it. Not even 
> covered w/ fire retardant. 
> 
> So, how do you all get away with it? Just different fire marshall / AHJ 
> requirements? 
> 
> 
> Thanks everybody-
> 
> Benjamin Hain
> 
> Temporary TD
> Rochester Community and Technical College
> Rochester, MN
> 
> 
> 
   If the fire marshall is that dead set against it, then
I'd start looking for replacement materials now.
Don't go fighting with the guy who can shut you down with
the stroke of the pen.

   --Dale


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <13c.24c28f01.311d612b [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:23:23 EST
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)

Um... yeah Bill, I am that person. 90 miles NE of Dane  county in beautiful 
Happy Valley. 
 
Ever heard of Lloyds of London? Anyone can get the insurance for anything -  
doesn't mean it's inexpensive. 
 
I'm beginning to think the thing to do is to get the resume of the  
person/company you want in advance and make the bid specific for that person's  
experience. 
 
Kristi
 
 
 
bill-conner [at] att.net writes:
Someone posted  "Anyone can buy   E&O insurance."

Sure.  Lots of companies out there willing to  risk a million bucks that 
anybody can do it and nobody makes mistakes.   Sure.

And what socialist country do you live in? (Oh right - maybe you're  the 
poster not far from Madison.)

Go ahead and try to get professional  liability insurance.  Call an agent. 
See how far you get.

Bill C. -  ASTC and an ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre with professional 
liability  insurance. 
 

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ff.24f9fc84.311d620b [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:27:07 EST
Subject: Re: Rigging inspections

So, who is going to do it for you?
 
Kristi
 
 
BKHAIN [at] aol.com writes:
I'm just sorry I'm not closer to Mr. Sapsis and  company headquarters or 
other 
rigging companies / inspectors on this list! 
 

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In-Reply-To: <list-27461979 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27460075 [at] prxy.net> <list-27461979 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <824F4C85-C9D9-41E0-9F40-7BE42ECC540E [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:15:13 -0500

> A privately run theatre in town had their fly system condemned a  
> few years ago after a safety inspection.  They ripped it out and  
> dead hung battens from the grid in order to stay open.

I did the exact same thing with our old theatre a couple years ago.


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield High School




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In-Reply-To: <list-27463027 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27463027 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <D8C1DAC1-F91B-4F46-806B-A47077405C89 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:18:19 -0500

> *    Never use an adhesive that contains a solvent. It will erode the
> Styrofoam releasing all sorts of toxic fumes

I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone adhesive have  
solvent?  I have found it is quick and easy for bonding foam to about  
anything.  Lots 'O Fumes though.  We use it in a well ventilated area.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield High School




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Message-ID: <20060210051947.85703.qmail [at] web82214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:19:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
In-Reply-To: <list-27473680 [at] prxy.net>

--- Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
> I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone
> adhesive have  
> solvent?

I'm sure it does of some type, but it doesn't seem to
dissolve foam. I've used it on EPS with no problems.
Technically even wood glue contains a solvent. Keep in
mind that water is a solvent, so even your beer and
scoth have a solvent in them. :)

Mike Heinicke

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Message-ID: <58f67b0f0602092137u540c503fna2be011aa3fffec5 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:37:01 -0600
From: Michael Powers <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery

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Message-ID: <4863847.1139551495973.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:04:55 -0500 (EST)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery

Matt...

Seems fine to me (though I usually don't have troubles with rich text).

Welcome to the list, by the way!

For the rest:   Matt is a great guy, and I'm sure will be a great addition to this assembly of hooligans and misfits. 

<<VBG>>

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
>
>Erg?  Don't mean to take up space on the mailing list for this, but are
>my messages garbled?  My first post was in rich text. (whoops,
>should've read the do's and don'ts)  I resent in plain text after
>receiving a mailing list error.
>
>This help at all?
>--
>Matthew D. Jordan


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Message-ID: <23162343.1139552391062.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder

Andrew....

If you're asking which template holder fits the 2200 series, I believe it's "Strand Old Style (B size) #2140" in your catalog.

IIRC, the 2200's take the same size stuff as the old Century Strand Lekos did, so that's ~20 years worth of fixtures using the same template holder.

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Nikel <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2006 4:49 PM
>To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hey, Cats and Kittens -
>
>Does anyone have some old Strand 2200 Series Ellipsoidals in their stock out
>there? I have a customer asking me for a pattern holder for a 2209 and I
>have nothing to reference in our library of fixtures. The customer said
>Strand referred them to me. I did check the Strand Archive website already
>and had no luck. Memory tells me that it's the same pattern holder as the
>Altman 360Q but that's some durned shaky ground. ;-)  Thanks.
>
>Andrew
>
>Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager
>City Theatrical, Inc.
>752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454
>Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
>email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
>web:    www.citytheatrical.com
>
>
>
>


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Message-ID: <1190.208.51.52.118.1139565536.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-27460318 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27411061 [at] prxy.net> <list-27460318 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:58:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: ERS Optics
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> I've been intrigued by this question for some time.  The drawing on
> page 84 of Bellman's book is an accurate drawing of what I've observed
> when watching beams of light from ellipsoidals when the stage has a
> fair amount of haze to light up the beam characteristics.  The question
> now becomes why does the lens system not bend all light rays in the
> same manner?  The drawing has one pair of light rays that cross,  the
> other pair doesn't.

The answer is, even assuming that the light originates from a point
source, the illustration is incorrect.

Whenever there is an interface between mediums of different optical
density, the light will be bent unless the light enters the new medium at
right angles to the interface plane (e.g., normal to the surface).

If the illustration is identical to that in the first edition, which I
have, then the light ray exiting the first lens will be bent. It will also
be bent when it enters the second lens. The non-bent rays exiting the
second lens are wrong.

The on-axis ray is correct, as it passes through all interfaces normal to
the surfaces.

Bill


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