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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #687

 1. Re: Colored Cable
    by Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
 2. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
 3. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 4. Broken window look
    by Dave Marks <dave.marks [at] insightbb.com>
 5. Re: EPS and fire marshall
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 6. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
 7. Re: Colored Cable
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 9. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
10. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
11. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
12. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
13. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
14. Re: Cabaret Rights
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
15. Jerry Gorrell is retiring
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
16. Re: Colored Cable
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
17. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
18. Qualified rigging inspectors & logs (was:...)
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
19. Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
    by Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
20. Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a 
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
21. Re: Colored Cable
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
22. Re: Broken window look
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
23. Re: EPS and fire marshall
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
24. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
25. Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
    by Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
26. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
27. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
28. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
29. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
30. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
31. Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
    by Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
32. Re: excess-flow check valves in messages
    by "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
33. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
34. Re: gobbledygook (was: excess-flow check valves in messages)
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
35. Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
36. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
37. Stage Beer
    by Tara Holmes <tholmes [at] du.edu>
38. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
39. Re: Stage Beer
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
40. Stage Beer
    by Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
41. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
42. Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
    by "dale" <dale [at] cybercom.net>
43. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
44. Re: Stage Beer
    by "dale" <dale [at] cybercom.net>
45. Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors &  Logs, Was: Life o
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
46. Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
    by "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
47. Re: Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors &  Logs, Was: Li
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
48. lauan to white glue bond
    by Jim Dougherty <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
49. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
50. Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
51. Re: Stage Beer
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
52. Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
    by "Pamela Abra" <pabrah [at] telus.net>
53. Re: Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs, Was: Lif
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
54. Re: Stage Beer
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
55. Re: Stage Beer
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
56. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "richard j. archer" <rja10 [at] cornell.edu>
57. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life  ofaCounter-weight system)
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
58. Re: Cabaret Rights
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
59. Looking for overhire
    by "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
60. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
61. Re: Stage Beer
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
62. Re: Stage Beer
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
63. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
64. Re: Colored Cable
    by "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
65. Re: Stage Beer
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
66. Re: Stage Beer
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
67. Re: Stage Beer
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
68. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
    by "Pamela Abra" <pabrah [at] telus.net>
69. Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
70. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
71. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
72. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
73. Re: Colored Cable
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
74. Re: Colored Cable
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
75. Re: Jerry Gorrell is retiring
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
76. Re: EPS to lauan?
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
77. Re: Rigging inspections
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
78. Re: Stage Beer
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:24:55 -0500
From: Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
In-reply-to: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <4b9b3c2ab37ddda42f85d1f106f3617b [at] williams.edu>
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net>

120 Volts.  The application is a chandelier made from about 50 
individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps.  Each socket  is 
individually suspended by it's own red cable.  All the cables are 
bundled together in a cylindrical shape.  The piece never tours,  
doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by anyone once it is in 
the air.  It has one move:  from the shop to the theatre.  I'm not too 
concerned about conforming to the NEC.  It needs to look fabulous and 
not burst into flame (or fall out of the sky)  for two weeks.  Mic or 
speaker cable (perhaps even cat 5 plenum cable?) would probably all 
work.  The cat5 cable is my last resort, I'd rather have something a 
little rounder and easier to strain relief.

Cosmo


On Feb 10, 2006, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote:

> Message-ID: <43EBF8FC.4020604 [at] cybercom.net>
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:22:52 -0500
> From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
> Organization: I'm working on that....
> Subject: Re: Colored Cable?
> References: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>
> In-Reply-To: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>
>
> Cosmo Catalano wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
>> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I'm looking for colored cable.  Red.  16/2 SJO or SO would be great.
>> Each cable is carrying a max of 50 watts, so I could go with a colored
>> mic cable if I had to.  Zip cord will not work in this  application.
>> Any leads?
>>
>> Cosmo
>>
>
>    What voltage?   If it's under 50 volts, then some of the beefier
> microphone starquad cables may do the trick. ( have to check the
> tables to be sure. )
>     What's the application?
>
>
>    --Dale


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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:00:58 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPEEOACJAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27472500 [at] prxy.net>

I was in the Government Div of Motorola for about 10 years.  That is exactly
how it is done.  Almost all specs were pre-rigged (and written for the
agency by that company)  for a certain company and it took a LOT of
stretching to be able to fit, if you were not that company.

It would read like : Required-
Over 1500 employees
longer than 5.6 years in business
a VP who spoke fluent Senegalese
located within 7.8 miles of the site
etc


Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of
> MissWisc [at] aol.com

> I'm beginning to think the thing to do is to get the resume of the
> person/company you want in advance and make the bid specific for
> that person's
> experience.
>


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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:27:31 -0500
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0120D03.9F10%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27474737 [at] prxy.net>

If your scoth has a solvent in it,
you have too much scoth in you.

Steve

> From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:19:47 -0800 (PST)
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
>> I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone
>> adhesive have  
>> solvent?
> 
> I'm sure it does of some type, but it doesn't seem to
> dissolve foam. I've used it on EPS with no problems.
> Technically even wood glue contains a solvent. Keep in
> mind that water is a solvent, so even your beer and
> scoth have a solvent in them. :)
> 
> Mike Heinicke


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Message-ID: <43ECA438.7020701 [at] insightbb.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:33:28 -0600
From: Dave Marks <dave.marks [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Broken window look

We're doing a production with a battlefield setting.  Our lobby has 
floor to ceiling windows and we want to create the look of broken glass 
on them.  We've found the obvious bullet hole decals (and ordered a 
bunch of them) but
our production director also wants a shattered glass look.  We don't 
have any skilled faux painters right now
and I'm looking for any ideas, using paint or otherwise.
Thanks!

Dave Marks
Northwoods Community Church
Peoria, IL


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Subject: RE: EPS and fire marshall
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:10 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B3F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> So, how do you all get away with it? Just different fire=20
> marshall / AHJ=20
> requirements?=20

My first response would be to ask the AHJ how the local Home Despot-like
supplier gets away with stocking whole pallets of the stuff in a
building with an occupancy rating comparable to yours.  But not in a
snooty tone or anything like that... ;)

------------------------------

Message-ID: <43ECAD76.8030208 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:12:54 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27456596 [at] prxy.net> <list-27456861 [at] prxy.net> <list-27457037 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457037 [at] prxy.net>

SS wrote:
> You can't put a price on lives!!

I agree wholeheartedly.

Unfortunately, it seems that when it comes to safety, most managers are
not proactive, but reactive. The attitude seems to be "We've been
working like this for years without any problems," immediately followed
by "this clearly isn't urgent," or (even worse) "why bother?"

But then, I suspect we're preaching to the choir here :=(

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <000501c62e54$aa5b2b70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net> <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:14:19 -0800

>   It needs to look fabulous and not burst into flame (or fall out of the 
> sky)  for two weeks.  Mic or speaker cable (perhaps even cat 5 plenum 
> cable?) would probably all work.  The cat5 cable is my last resort, I'd 
> rather have something a little rounder and easier to strain relief.


If worse comes to worst, what about wrapping whatever sheathed wiring you do 
use with red gaff?  Just a thought...

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <001101c62e54$d743c070$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-27486899 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:15:34 -0800

> If your scoth has a solvent in it,
> you have too much scoth in you.
>


I was thinking the same thing.  A good scotch will dance on your tongue, not 
burn it off.

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <43ECAEA5.1050708 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:17:57 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27457724 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457724 [at] prxy.net>

Peter Scheu wrote:
> Bruce Purdy wrote:
> 
> 
>>So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We can't take such risks 
>>around our students. Lets close the auditorium down and don't 
>>let anyone use it! Too much of a liability risk!"
> 
> 
> Oh now I strongly disagree! You don't stop the HS football program just
> because someone gets injured.

Yeah, but that's *FOOTBALL*!! You can't shut down football. You're only
talking about a theatre - nothing important.

(please remember I'm playing Devil's Advocate, and do not personally
agree with these statements :=)

-- 
Jim Hyslop


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43ECAEA9.4090708 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:18:01 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27457473 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27457473 [at] prxy.net>

Bruce Purdy wrote:
> So the logical conclusion? "OMG! We can't take such risks around our
> students. Lets close the auditorium down and don't let anyone use it! Too
> much of a liability risk!"

That's precisely the dilemma we're facing at the theatre I work out of.
It's owned by the city. We recently brought in an independent expert to
perform a safety inspection, and one of the biggest concerns was the
lack of fall restraint from our catwalks (19 feet above the stage,
IIRC). I'm told that one of the senior city officials has said that they
cannot afford to spend money to install full fall arrest gear - they'd
rather shut down the theatre and save the money.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43ECAFC9.20009 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:22:49 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27459071 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27459071 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:
> On 2/9/06 12:57 PM, "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>    What I was referring to was the gut reaction you are likely to get when
>>showing an administrator "Shock value" pictures like the rigging disaster in
>>AC. The comment that These were professional riggers involved, and your
>>auditorium is staffed by students and parents, coupled with horror stories
>>of worst case scenarios .....   Well I think that's what will go through
>>their minds, that's all.
> 
> 
> Well, yes and no.  you are right that the photos scare those that don't
> understand what it's all about back stage and they do worry about the
> kiddees and all and yes, their knee-jerk reaction is to close the place
> down.

That's if you can get a safety inspection in there at all.

In another message, I mentioned that our theatre had undergone a safety
inspection. This was part of an initiative sponsored by Theatre Ontario,
called "To Act in Safety". The inspectors - professional, experienced
theatre technicians - went to as many theatres as they could (the entire
program was voluntary). Apparently, in many high schools the inspectors
would poke their nose in, and run away in terror. Unfortunately, any
time safety was mentioned, the teachers' union would wave "Education
Act" at them - apparently, in Ontario the Education Act trumps the
Occupational Health and Safety Act.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:28:10 -0500
Message-ID: <000a01c62e56$9a0d8400$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27487756 [at] prxy.net>



> The attitude seems 
> to be "We've been working like this for years without any 
> problems,"

Unfortunately, even people who should know better fall into that trap.

The amateur attitude is, "We've never had a problem with that," and leaves
it.

The professional says, "We've never had a problem with that -- yet," and
fixes it.


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:31:37 -0500
Message-ID: <000b01c62e57$153f9a00$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27487867 [at] prxy.net>


> Yeah, but that's *FOOTBALL*!! You can't shut down football. 
> You're only talking about a theatre - nothing important.

Many years ago, a Texas school board slashed the high school's budget, with
the assumption that he'd cut arts and other extaneous programs.

When he cut football instead, the money was restored.

...But that was Texas, where football is often compared to religion.  There
are people, to be sure, who find that disrespectful -- to football.


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Message-ID: <43ECB6C8.4070103 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:52:40 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Cabaret Rights
References: <list-27464521 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27464521 [at] prxy.net>

Davy Davis wrote:
> Not really stagecraft but with all the places we all work I'm hoping
> someone here has worked on a production of Cabaret using the
> Donmar/Roundabout version from 1993 and can help us find the rights for
> that version.  Tams Whitmark which holds the rights to the first two
> versions is very unhelpful.

Hi, Davy

We're just gearing up for a production of "Cabaret" now, and I believe
it's the version you're looking for. I'll check with our Treasurer, who
is in charge of securing the rights, and get back to you.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060210085620.02275780 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:00:46 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: Jerry Gorrell is retiring

After almost 30 years with the City of Phoenix, over 25 with the 
theatres, am finally retiring on Feb. 28, 2006.  The party will be at 
the Symphony Hall Lobby, newly remodeled, on Monday,  March 6 at 5:30 
p.m. MST.  If you are in the area and want to attend, the cost will 
be $20.00, which includes dinner and whatever.  If you want the 
official invitation, which needs to be an attachment, e-mail off-list.

Jennie on behalf of Jerry



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Message-ID: <43ECBC41.5050809 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:01 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net> <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>

Cosmo Catalano wrote:
> 120 Volts.  The application is a chandelier made from about 50
> individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps.  Each socket  is
> individually suspended by it's own red cable.  All the cables are
> bundled together in a cylindrical shape.  The piece never tours, 
> doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by anyone once it is in the
> air.  It has one move:  from the shop to the theatre.  I'm not too
> concerned about conforming to the NEC.  It needs to look fabulous and
> not burst into flame (or fall out of the sky)  for two weeks.  Mic or
> speaker cable (perhaps even cat 5 plenum cable?) would probably all
> work.  The cat5 cable is my last resort, I'd rather have something a
> little rounder and easier to strain relief.

Be careful with cat5. It's only 24 gage, which can carry a maximum of
.577 amps. Bundled together like that, for safety's sake I'd de-rate it
to at most 80%, bringing it down to 0.46 amps per conductor. 50 watts at
120 volts is .416 amps - a little close to the maximum for my liking.

So, if I were using cat5, since each socket gets its own wire, I'd use
all 8 wires in the cable to carry the voltage, and connect each wire
independently, so that if one connection fails the other three are still
available to take the load.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43ECBFAD.8010300 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:30:37 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of aCounter-weight
 system)
References: <list-27488153 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27488153 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:
> Many years ago, a Texas school board slashed the high school's budget, with
> the assumption that he'd cut arts and other extaneous programs.
> 
> When he cut football instead, the money was restored.

Reminds me of a scene from the TV series "Babylon 5", in which the
station personnel went on strike to protest unsafe working conditions.
The government bureaucrat invoked a rule allowing the station commander
to end the strike "by any means necessary," expecting that the commander
would send in military personnel to arrest everyone and force them back
to work (which, of course, would likely cause a massive, deadly riot).
Instead, the commander transferred a huge amount of money from the
military budget into the station's operational budget, to be used for
upgrades and repairs to bring . His line to the bureaucrat was
wonderful: "Don't hand someone a loaded gun unless you know which way
they're going to point it."

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <20060210163058.89043.qmail [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:30:58 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Qualified rigging inspectors & logs (was:...)
In-Reply-To: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net>

>>Which causes me to immediately recall hearing that
cheerleaders are 
more at 
risk then the football layers based on injuries
reported and I think:<<

In the High School I attended the cheerleaders were
the football layers....



Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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References: <list-27467203 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <3FCA1B28-9A53-11DA-B01C-000A9592AE20 [at] tany.com>
Cc: anikel [at] citytheatrical.com (Andrew Nikel)
From: Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
Subject: Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:35:30 -0500

We have a bunch up at Bard College. The pattern holder was slightly 
wider, shorter & shallower than that for the 360/360Q.  We were able to 
make  use of the flatter "tab" and "banjo" type of holders intended for 
the more common Altman unit but not those slotted for glass templates. 
I'm not there this week, but Jeff Drucker & Andy Champ-Doran both watch 
the list, and might find one of the very few actual Strand holders we 
had on the shelf in Electrics (in the back, on the left) and send you 
the actual dimensions...
BA

Brian Aldous
Lighting Design

brian [at] tany.com
On Feb 9, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Stagecraft wrote:

> Strand 2209 Pattern Holder


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Message-ID: <20060210164411.16157.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:44:11 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a 
In-Reply-To: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net>

Not sure how this one works, but I recall once apon a
time... I was able to get new sound equiptment for a
High school by pushing the fact that the town needed
to operate a hall of pulic assemble and have the
proper equiptment to address said hall. That might be
some ammo for keeping a room
(gymnatorium/auditorium/theatre) open. Not sure if
this is a local by-law or something more like public
safety.  


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Message-ID: <1495.208.51.52.118.1139591292.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net> <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> 120 Volts.  The application is a chandelier made from about 50
> individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps.

WOW! At full intensity, that would be 2000 watts - a lot of undirected
light on just about any stage.

Why such high wattage lamps? When I use chandaliers in plays, they usually
have a dozen or less 25 watt lamps. Even then, they are usually run at
less than 50% power to cut the glare.

They are not used as really "practical" lighting - they are just there to
look pretty. Is your purpose different?

Bill


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Message-ID: <1501.208.51.52.118.1139592052.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-27487035 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27487035 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:20:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Broken window look
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> We're doing a production with a battlefield setting.  Our lobby has
> floor to ceiling windows and we want to create the look of broken glass
> on them.  We've found the obvious bullet hole decals (and ordered a
> bunch of them) but
> our production director also wants a shattered glass look.  We don't
> have any skilled faux painters right now
> and I'm looking for any ideas, using paint or otherwise.

Those decals are more appropriate for automotive safety glass. When
regular window glass is struck by a bullet, you don't get holes. Most of
the glass falls out. What remains are jagged shards of various sizes and
shapes held in place by the window putty.

It would be possible to make such a window using pieces of plastic.

Bill


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Message-ID: <1504.208.51.52.118.1139592243.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-27487075 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27487075 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:24:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: EPS and fire marshall
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> My first response would be to ask the AHJ how the local Home Despot-like
> supplier gets away with stocking whole pallets of the stuff in a
> building with an occupancy rating comparable to yours.  But not in a
> snooty tone or anything like that... ;)

More appropriate would be to ask "What did Home Depot do to be approved to
store the EPS?".



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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060210093805.01f5ca30 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:39:58 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
  Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27454410 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27454273 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-27454410 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:46 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:

>Writing proper specs is everything.

This should narrow down the bidders:

The installer SHALL have installed items at the White House, organize 
motorcycle trips for charity, and use the phrase "'zat help?" often.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886



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Message-ID: <F6275691D8BF4749B5B17ABA059AC48A36C069 [at] APOLLO>
From: Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
Subject: RE: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:25 -0500

Andrew

We use standard Altman holders on our Strands.  Their slightly narrower, but fit

Steve Bailey
Lighting Director
Brooklyn Center for the Performing Arts
Brooklyn College
 
718 951-5349 P
718 951-4673 F
 
baileyst [at] brooklyn.cuny.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Nikel [mailto:anikel [at] citytheatrical.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:50 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hey, Cats and Kittens -

Does anyone have some old Strand 2200 Series Ellipsoidals in their stock out there? I have a customer asking me for a pattern holder for a 2209 and I have nothing to reference in our library of fixtures. The customer said Strand referred them to me. I did check the Strand Archive website already and had no luck. Memory tells me that it's the same pattern holder as the Altman 360Q but that's some durned shaky ground. ;-)  Thanks.

Andrew

Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager
City Theatrical, Inc.
752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454
Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
web:    www.citytheatrical.com




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:47:44 -0500
Message-ID: <000401c62e6a$19170d30$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27490671 [at] prxy.net>

> The installer SHALL have installed items at the White House, organize=20
> motorcycle trips for charity, and use the phrase "'zat help?" often.

That one *might* get challenged, but I successfully kept =
Electro-Controls
out of my theatre once by specifying that "rack color shall not be =
[whatever
color they were using at the time]".


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060210095912.01f4a1a0 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:59:23 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
  Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27458171 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27457455 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-27458171 [at] prxy.net>

At 09:39 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:
>Where I come from that person
>should get ridden out of town on a rail.

Is there a rating for those rails?


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886



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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060210103426.01f50bf8 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:20 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
In-Reply-To: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net>

At 11:59 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:
>One of these days I think I'm gonna purposely send some strings of
>random characters to the list (and employ a few people to reply in
>similarly-garbled tones) just to mess with Chris's head. :)

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How's that?  :)


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886



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In-Reply-To: <list-27491810 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net> <list-27491810 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <6099E419-E79F-4DFC-A65B-045DC041B6F5 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:42:11 -0700

On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Jerry Durand wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 11:59 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:
>> One of these days I think I'm gonna purposely send some strings of
>> random characters to the list (and employ a few people to reply in
>> similarly-garbled tones) just to mess with Chris's head. :)
>
> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32)
>
> Dear Chris, it seems to me that you can't read my messages. Why is  
> that? It seems everyone else can.
>
> Jerry D
> -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
>
> How's that?  :)
>
>
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>
>

What's wrong with that?

Mark-O


Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile





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Subject: RE: excess-flow check valves in scenery
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:49:50 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B42 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

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<snip>
>=20
> How's that?  :)

Why, that's absolutely AjeYug0974o032hGOIeaw!

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Message-ID: <fed227be0602101050h2d1915fjbcc56d82ed81b0f0 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:50:12 -0500
From: Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
In-Reply-To: <list-27475032 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27475032 [at] prxy.net>

> What do you consider large.

Well, its not 11,000# unit, that's for sure.  The scenic unit
in question is an "L" shaped wall w/ legs ~21' and 15', at
16" thick and 13' to 16' tall, estimated at about 1,500#.  It
roams around the stage using different sides to set varying
locations.

> As I've said, I've never used one.  What type/brand/source
>are you looking at now?  Anyway, I'd love to hear more
>about your system.

We tested one from MSC, the lowest flow Norgren Air-fuse
they supply.  Didn't really work out so well, the flow
required to activate it was way more than our portable system
supplied. We managed to activate it on our shop's pneumatic
system but when it is tripped a small amount of air passes
through the bleeder hole, which won't help to keep a broken
circuit in the system from making noise onstage.  That's
about where I'm at right now, trying to find an air-fuse that
is sized to our system.  My google-fu hasn't bore any fruit
yet.

As for the air system, we are using a scuba tank for the air
supply (its what we have in stock)  and a three-
way two position valve to send air to 6  2.5" bore pancake
cylinders with zero-throws attached.  There is a circuit
diagram at http:www.tmproject.com/circuit.gif

I was hoping that someone else has played around with these
air-fuses before; the extra level of redundancy that they could
add to a pneumatic system seems very promising.

--
Matthew D. Jordan

www.tmproject.com

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Message-ID: <04f601c62e73$a8332a40$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco>
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
References: <list-27461500 [at] prxy.net> <list-27491810 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in messages
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:57 -0800


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
> 
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> =f8Hv



   Solve for X.  ??

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:53:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
 Counter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0124B4F.8D5A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27490671 [at] prxy.net>

Hmmm.  Looks good to me.  Now let me see.  Where did I put thos White House
credentials?
<<VBG>>


On 2/10/06 12:39 PM, "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 06:46 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:
> 
>> Writing proper specs is everything.
> 
> This should narrow down the bidders:
> 
> The installer SHALL have installed items at the White House, organize
> motorcycle trips for charity, and use the phrase "'zat help?" often.
> 
> 



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Subject: RE: gobbledygook (was: excess-flow check valves in messages)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:01:30 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B43 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

>    Solve for X.  ??

That's easy.  X=3D42.

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Subject: RE: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:21 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B44 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> My google-fu hasn't bore any fruit yet.

Google-fu!  I love it!  I'm stealing that one, too. :)

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:27 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAyibInAib/kitnhcC/Xi67gEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27492284 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:

>Hmmm.  Looks good to me.  Now let me see.  Where did I put 
>thos White House credentials? <<VBG>>

They're with Bush's Abramoff photos  <<VVVBG>>

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:19:29 -0700
From: Tara Holmes <tholmes [at] du.edu>
Subject: Stage Beer
Message-id: <9b81c98943.989439b81c [at] du.edu>

I am working on a production of Audience by Vaclav Havel where much of the action on stage is drinking beer. The beer wants to come out of bottles with caps, and pour into a clear mug, while retaining some foam.

We have tried:
-Root beer -too much foam
-Vanilla Cream - too light, too much foam
-Tea- can be the right color, (but only has foam if shaken immediately before opened which looks funny since no beer drinker would purposly shake their beer!)
-We have also tried other things such as ginger ale, sprite with tea, tonic water with tea or food coloring, sparkling apple juice- These are great on first pour, but when poured into another bottle, capped and then reopened, there is not enough foam to make it worthy.
-The actor who drinks the most is under age and does not like the taste of the fake beer.

Any suggestions would be happily welecomed!

Thanks
Tara
University of Denver


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Message-ID: <003e01c62e78$23994bc0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-27459071 [at] prxy.net> <list-27487981 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life ofaCounter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:28:14 -0700

>Apparently, in many high schools the inspectors
>would poke their nose in, and run away in terror.

As the resident rigging installer for a Memphis company years ago, I was
asked as a favor by the boss to go inspect a local forty + year old high
school, which had had a batten fall the night before. I did. This
theatre had for decades rented the space to Rotary, Children's
pageants,.... whatever,  with NO maintenance and supervision.  I
reported back to my boss that the entire grid area should be red flagged
and shut down.  I,  my boss, and the poor Drama teacher who had
inherited it had no authority to do it and... The show went on that
night.  Sadly so, I heard no more about it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hyslop" <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>

>
> That's if you can get a safety inspection in there at all.
>
> In another message, I mentioned that our theatre had undergone a
safety
> inspection. This was part of an initiative sponsored by Theatre
Ontario,
> called "To Act in Safety". The inspectors - professional, experienced
> theatre technicians - went to as many theatres as they could (the
entire
> program was voluntary). Apparently, in many high schools the
inspectors
> would poke their nose in, and run away in terror. Unfortunately, any
> time safety was mentioned, the teachers' union would wave "Education
> Act" at them - apparently, in Ontario the Education Act trumps the
> Occupational Health and Safety Act.
>
> -- 
> Jim Hyslop
>


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Message-ID: <005101c62e79$051e4c30$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:34:33 -0700

under age  and knows the difference???

As once an actor I didn't like slamming my fist into a wall on a nightly
basis.  I got over it!
(and quit acting)

Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tara Holmes" <tholmes [at] du.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Stage Beer


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I am working on a production of Audience by Vaclav Havel where much of
the action on stage is drinking beer. The beer wants to come out of
bottles with caps, and pour into a clear mug, while retaining some foam.
>
> We have tried:
> -Root beer -too much foam
> -Vanilla Cream - too light, too much foam
> -Tea- can be the right color, (but only has foam if shaken immediately
before opened which looks funny since no beer drinker would purposly
shake their beer!)
> -We have also tried other things such as ginger ale, sprite with tea,
tonic water with tea or food coloring, sparkling apple juice- These are
great on first pour, but when poured into another bottle, capped and
then reopened, there is not enough foam to make it worthy.
> -The actor who drinks the most is under age and does not like the
taste of the fake beer.
>
> Any suggestions would be happily welecomed!
>
> Thanks
> Tara
> University of Denver
>


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Message-ID: <fed227be0602101150m6c5ab0f9q9156ab85a77d67cb [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:50:29 -0500
From: Matthew Jordan <meloncholia [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Stage Beer
In-Reply-To: <list-27493182 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net> <list-27493182 [at] prxy.net>

http://proppeople.com/resources/guinness.htm
Might be a good starting place.

>The actor who drinks the most is under age
>and does not like the taste of the fake beer.

heh...

--
Matthew D. Jordan
www.tmproject.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:00:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life
 ofaCounter-weight system)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0125B16.8D6F%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27493051 [at] prxy.net>

This is obviously a life threatening situation.  If the administration is
not willing to do anything about it then someone needs to step up and blow
the whistle.  I am not going to advise how to do that.  I have my methods,
your mileage may vary.

This is the kind of thing I hate to hear about and would love to go over
there and rattle some cages.  It's bad enough placing adults in danger but
to do that to kids?  No way.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>



On 2/10/06 2:28 PM, "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
wrote:

> As the resident rigging installer for a Memphis company years ago, I was
> asked as a favor by the boss to go inspect a local forty + year old high
> school, which had had a batten fall the night before. I did. This
> theatre had for decades rented the space to Rotary, Children's
> pageants,.... whatever,  with NO maintenance and supervision.  I
> reported back to my boss that the entire grid area should be red flagged
> and shut down.  I,  my boss, and the poor Drama teacher who had
> inherited it had no authority to do it and... The show went on that
> night.  Sadly so, I heard no more about it.



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Message-ID: <20060210195501.28641.qmail [at] mail.cybercom.net>
References: <list-27475032 [at] prxy.net>
            <list-27492190 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27492190 [at] prxy.net>
From: "dale" <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:55:01 -0500

Matthew Jordan writes: 

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> --------------------------------------------------- 
> 
>> What do you consider large.
> 
> Well, its not 11,000# unit, that's for sure.  The scenic unit
> in question is an "L" shaped wall w/ legs ~21' and 15', at
> 16" thick and 13' to 16' tall, estimated at about 1,500#.  It
> roams around the stage using different sides to set varying
> locations. 
> 
>> As I've said, I've never used one.  What type/brand/source
>>are you looking at now?  Anyway, I'd love to hear more
>>about your system.
> 
> We tested one from MSC, the lowest flow Norgren Air-fuse
> they supply.  Didn't really work out so well, the flow
> required to activate it was way more than our portable system
> supplied. We managed to activate it on our shop's pneumatic
> system but when it is tripped a small amount of air passes
> through the bleeder hole, which won't help to keep a broken
> circuit in the system from making noise onstage.  That's
> about where I'm at right now, trying to find an air-fuse that
> is sized to our system.  My google-fu hasn't bore any fruit
> yet. 
> 
> As for the air system, we are using a scuba tank for the air
> supply (its what we have in stock)  and a three-
> way two position valve to send air to 6  2.5" bore pancake
> cylinders with zero-throws attached.  There is a circuit
> diagram at http:www.tmproject.com/circuit.gif 
> 
> I was hoping that someone else has played around with these
> air-fuses before; the extra level of redundancy that they could
> add to a pneumatic system seems very promising. 
>

 While these sound like interesting devices, I wonder if you
are expending a lot of effort to deal with a very low
probability event.  Or do you have a history of air lines
blowing out at your facility of which I'm unaware?
I can see these having usefulness in an industrial setting,
for reducing the loss of ultraclean air or some of the
more expensive gases, but not for something like this.
  It is, unfortunately, far to easy to run oneself down a
rathole dealing with some fascinating issue, and losing
sight of the larger picture.  I've run merrily down many
such ratholes in my time, and no doubt will do so again. 

  --Dale 


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060210131123.00d22228 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:23
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs

>I'm not sure if it's a State thing, or a School District thing, but here, 
>we're bound by law to go with the low bidder.

I used to purchase with City money, and had the same issues.  We would have
support clauses and unique qualifications built into the bid if we wanted
to avoid 'Low-Bid Larry's parts offa truck'.  There were times, of course,
when having the parts fall offa truck at a very low price was exactly waht
we wanted, but a bit of creative writing will keep you from having to
purchase from someone who isn't qualified.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <20060210200357.5824.qmail [at] mail.cybercom.net>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net>
From: "dale" <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:57 -0500

Tara Holmes writes: 

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> --------------------------------------------------- 
> 
> I am working on a production of Audience by Vaclav Havel where much of the action on stage is drinking beer. The beer wants to come out of bottles with caps, and pour into a clear mug, while retaining some foam. 
> 
> We have tried:
> -Root beer -too much foam
> -Vanilla Cream - too light, too much foam
> -Tea- can be the right color, (but only has foam if shaken immediately before opened which looks funny since no beer drinker would purposly shake their beer!)
> -We have also tried other things such as ginger ale, sprite with tea, tonic water with tea or food coloring, sparkling apple juice- These are great on first pour, but when poured into another bottle, capped and then reopened, there is not enough foam to make it worthy.
> -The actor who drinks the most is under age and does not like the taste of the fake beer. 
> 
> Any suggestions would be happily welecomed! 
> 
> Thanks
> Tara
> University of Denver 
> 

 You can control how much foam is produced when pouring a
carbonated beverage by chilling the beverage and the mug.
Colder == less foamy 

  You could also try carbonating the tea and bottling
it yourself.  Check with your local homebrew beer
hobbyists.  They will have or know someone who has the
carbonator device, bottle capper, and the knowledge on
how to bottle such thing safely.  ( overcarbonating in a
glass bottle can lead to minor explosions.  ) Probably
cost you a refill for the CO2 tank and a case or two
of empty bottles.
 You can adjust the foam level by adding sugar and
controlling serving temperature. 


  --Dale 



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060210132704.00d22228 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:27:04
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors &
  Logs, Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)

>Is anyone getting any work done today?

Naw, but I'm spending time with my new Italian girlfriend.   My American
girlfriend introduced us, and now complains that I spend too much time with
her.  She needs TLC and a warm bath.  There are some pics of her jsut after
the bath and before she got dressed at
<http://members.cox.net/gearsale/Astoria/>.

P.S.  This'll end the battle of who has the best machine once and for
all....
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
Subject: Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:54:11 -0500
Message-ID: <JNEMKLCHNOMOHOGEILMLKEEFCOAA.anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>

DOH! Thanks, Sean. You're exactly right. We have those listed under Glass
Holders (they have a deep channel and hold both) and I just totally forgot
to look there. That would be that memory and shaky ground thing again, I
guess.  ;-)
Thanks.

Andrew

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Message-ID:
<23162343.1139552391062.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Strand 2209 Pattern Holder

Andrew....

If you're asking which template holder fits the 2200 series, I believe it's
"Strand Old Style (B size) #2140" in your catalog.

IIRC, the 2200's take the same size stuff as the old Century Strand Lekos
did, so that's ~20 years worth of fixtures using the same template holder.

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
>Does anyone have some old Strand 2200 Series Ellipsoidals in their stock
out
>there? I have a customer asking me for a pattern holder for a 2209 and I
>have nothing to reference in our library of fixtures. The customer said
>Strand referred them to me. I did check the Strand Archive website already
>and had no luck. Memory tells me that it's the same pattern holder as the
>Altman 360Q but that's some durned shaky ground. ;-)  Thanks.
>
>Andrew
------------------------------




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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & 
 Logs, Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27494377 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602102031300.9241 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-27494377 [at] prxy.net>

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, CB wrote:

> <http://members.cox.net/gearsale/Astoria/>.

Nice!!!   yep, a nice strong one for me when you get it fired up!!!

;-)

Charlie

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Message-Id: <0d189668544904f2f6ce45428fd50095 [at] middlebury.edu>
From: Jim Dougherty <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Subject: lauan to white glue bond
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:28:21 -0500

I've had luck using reg'ler ole white glue, applied with a roller or 
notched trowel, to bond both expanded and extruded polystyrene foam to 
lauan or other plywood.  If you put plywood on both sides of a styro 
sheet, it makes a swell stress skin, although you've got to protect the 
edges, and treat or cover to meet your local fire regs.  I've used 1/2" 
ply on each side of a 3 5/8" sheet of white bead foam to make a strong 
stress skin.  A local manufacturer of the panels used in covering 
timberframe homes put me onto the idea, and the glue.  White glue will 
not work for foam to foam bonds, though - at least one surface must be 
porous.

Good clamping is important to say the least.  I stacked all of my 
sheets on top of one another (they look like big Vienna Finger cookies, 
so that's what we called them), with a stiff steel scenery cart below, 
and a regular platform above as a caul to keep things flat and 
distribute clamping pressure.  To do the clamping, I've used boatloads 
of big bar clamps, ropes and trucker's hitches, and load binder straps. 
  Even buckets of water or stage weights will work in a pinch, but 
perhaps not for something you hope will be structural.  You can add 
wedges under the ropes on top of the top caul, to increase pressure in 
the middle of the sheet, and add tension to the system in general.

The Fastbond 30 works well, too.  In the past, I've used two coats to 
be sure of a good bond though as the lauan tends to soak up a lot of 
the stuff.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060210133621.00dd6550 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:36:21
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: excess-flow check valves in scenery

>One of these days I think I'm gonna purposely send some strings of
>random characters to the list (and employ a few people to reply in
>similarly-garbled tones) just to mess with Chris's head. :)

I usually just scroll past them.  I picked up that this was the guys first
post (from the response) so I decided to let him know that some of us
weren't getting the message.  Not to say that there aren't some of us that
never will!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060210134706.00d22228 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:47:06
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in scenery

>My first post was in rich text. 

See!!!  It wasn't me!  And yeah, all the next posts came in loud and clear.
 I'm sure that I'm not the only one who gets rich text as garbled nonsense,
I'm just the most vocal...(and possibly the most lysdecix)
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:49:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0126692.9F46%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net>

Recast!

> From: Tara Holmes <tholmes [at] du.edu>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:19:29 -0700
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Stage Beer
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I am working on a production of Audience by Vaclav Havel where much of the
> action on stage is drinking beer. The beer wants to come out of bottles with
> caps, and pour into a clear mug, while retaining some foam.
> 
> We have tried:
> -Root beer -too much foam
> -Vanilla Cream - too light, too much foam
> -Tea- can be the right color, (but only has foam if shaken immediately before
> opened which looks funny since no beer drinker would purposly shake their
> beer!)
> -We have also tried other things such as ginger ale, sprite with tea, tonic
> water with tea or food coloring, sparkling apple juice- These are great on
> first pour, but when poured into another bottle, capped and then reopened,
> there is not enough foam to make it worthy.
> -The actor who drinks the most is under age and does not like the taste of the
> fake beer.
> 
> Any suggestions would be happily welecomed!
> 
> Thanks
> Tara
> University of Denver
> 


------------------------------

Message-ID: <010101c62e85$21071c40$dcbcb742 [at] pamscomputer>
From: "Pamela Abra" <pabrah [at] telus.net>
References: <list-27494413 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:01:14 -0800

What are everyone's thoughts with the Opening ceremonies of the Olympic 
Games?
I like the rings, lighting, acrobats on the rings. Always spectacular 
lighting and costumes. Colour and stage!

Lots of 70's music at the start.

Nice futuristic ballet costumes.

Cool Ferari!!!!Gotta love that!

Thanks
Pam 



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References: <list-27494377 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <A59241EC-1767-4C17-A187-A0F0E9903775 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Getting Nothing Done (was: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs, Was: Life of a Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:22:16 -0700

What time do you open? Do you deliver?  I could use a pick me up,  
this afternoon. It is kinda cold out...

Mark-O


On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:27 PM, CB wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> Is anyone getting any work done today?
>
> Naw, but I'm spending time with my new Italian girlfriend.   My  
> American
> girlfriend introduced us, and now complains that I spend too much  
> time with
> her.  She needs TLC and a warm bath.  There are some pics of her  
> jsut after
> the bath and before she got dressed at
> <http://members.cox.net/gearsale/Astoria/>.
>
> P.S.  This'll end the battle of who has the best machine once and for
> all....
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ
>
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...


------------------------------

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References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net> <list-27493182 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <60F8FA5F-6811-47F9-9039-C15D538BBC8B [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:16:41 -0500

> under age  and knows the difference???

I know this is heresy on this list but I have never liked the taste  
of beer real or NA.   I feel the actors pain.  If the foaming is too  
much of an issue you can "pre-flatten" the root beer.  Open the  
bottle ahead of time, leave in the fridge the re-close prior to the  
show.  You will have to experiment with how long it needs to be open  
to loose the proper amount of carbonation to leave you a realistic  
head.  Another trick you might try if you want more immediate results  
is pour over  a pez, sweettart, mentos or other such candy to release  
much of the carbonation and rebottle.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield High School




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In-Reply-To: <list-27494154 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net> <list-27494154 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <B2AA94F7-0211-4F3C-B431-1CC28F853F23 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:21:41 -0500

> You can adjust the foam level by adding sugar and
> controlling serving temperature.

I should have read ahead.  Much better ideas than mine.

Greg


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Message-Id: <p05210600c01173da3182 [at] [132.236.252.58]>
In-Reply-To: <list-27463027 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27463027 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:37:57 -0500
From: "richard j. archer" <rja10 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?

We've been using gorilla glue lately because of it's super fast set 
up time.  We use to be firm users of 3M Fastbond 30 but with G-glue 
you don't end up with piles of green pieces sitting around the shop 
while waiting for things to dry.  You do need to clamp (or use lots 
of stage weights).  Good for foam to foam too.
Expensive but what isn't anymore?

Dick A
TD Cornell U

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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060210133409.01f19fc0 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:36:04 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life
  ofaCounter-weight system)
In-Reply-To: <list-27493774 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27493051 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-27493774 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:00 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:
>I am not going to advise how to do that.  I have my methods,
>your mileage may vary.

For agencies where you can report things on the web, you can use 
things like the TOR software ( http://tor.eff.org ) to make a very 
difficult to trace connection to their web page for an anonymous 
report.  Make sure you use a clean browser (no cookies, etc.).


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886



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Message-ID: <43ED0F1C.1020803 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:09:32 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Cabaret Rights
References: <list-27464521 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27464521 [at] prxy.net>

Davy Davis wrote:
> Not really stagecraft but with all the places we all work I'm hoping
> someone here has worked on a production of Cabaret using the
> Donmar/Roundabout version from 1993 and can help us find the rights for
> that version.  Tams Whitmark which holds the rights to the first two
> versions is very unhelpful.

OK, I've looked into this. We're doing the 1987 version (the second
version). It appears the rights for the one you want aren't available
yet, but when they are Tams-Witmark will most likely be the ones who
control them.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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From: "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: Looking for overhire
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:45 -0500
Message-ID: <003f01c62e8f$d1dcb020$0200a8c0 [at] ftoffice.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-27496006 [at] prxy.net>

I'm looking for anyone in the Baltimore / Washington area interested in over
hire work in the next 2 months.  Various positions in carpentry, rigging,
general hauling, and stage management are available.  Interested parties
should email me directly off list at sam [at] fishertheatrical.com  
Possible hotel rooms may be available for any available highly skilled
individuals from out of state.

Sam Fisher
General Manager / VP 
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
410-487-0100 office
410-487-0090 fax
 
All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to be
treated as Confidential. 




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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <27d.5822d1e.311e6d65 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:27:49 EST
Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games


In a message dated 2/10/06 4:01:45 PM, pabrah [at] telus.net writes:

<< 

What are everyone's thoughts with the Opening ceremonies of the Olympic 

Games?

I like the rings, lighting, acrobats on the rings. Always spectacular 

lighting and costumes. Colour and stage!


Lots of 70's music at the start.


Nice futuristic ballet costumes.


Cool Ferari!!!!Gotta love that!


Thanks

Pam 

 >>

ya must be in Europe , , or watching it on the internet, , , here in the 
states, , it's tape delay, , , won't be on for a couple of hours yet

best regards,

Keith Arsenault

International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, FL

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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2c1.4c8bfe4.311e6e7d [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:32:29 EST
Subject: Re: Stage Beer


In a message dated 2/10/06 3:14:13 PM, dale [at] cybercom.net writes:

<<  You can adjust the foam level by adding sugar and

controlling serving temperature. 



  --Dale 

 >>

years ago, , we did 1959 PINK THUNDERBIRD, , , the combo of one acters ( 
Laundry and Bourbon and LONE STAR ) 

very intimate theatre and LONE STAR calls for the consumption of copious 
amounts of beer

a   in Florida LONE STAR was not available, ,   we "arranged" to get a case 
sent to us

b   the first beer that each character consumed was REAL, , , ya got the pop, 
, fizz, , and quite honestly THE SMELL, , ( I told ya , , it was intimate )  
and certainly caused no impairment with the performers

c   the additional beers were Swiss non alcoholic beers repoured just before 
show time into LONE STAR bottles and re capped  ( this was just before there 
was the plethora of domestic non alcoholic choices)

people were amazed, , thought the guys consumed 4 - 5 beers each in a one 
acter, , , 



best regards,

Keith Arsenault

International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, FL

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2b6.45e3e33.311e7321 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:52:17 EST
Subject: Re: Stage Beer

In a message dated 10/02/06 19:51:00 GMT Standard Time, meloncholia [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> http://proppeople.com/resources/guinness.htm
>  Might be a good starting place.
>  
>  >The actor who drinks the most is under age
>  >and does not like the taste of the fake beer.

There are many very low alcohol beers around, some of which don't taste bad.

And, as has been said, actors can't afford to be fussy. Forty years ago, I 
didn't like the idea of having my hand used to put out a real candle, but I did 
it, for the rehearsals and the run.

There are also fake beer glasses arount which give the impression of having 
drunk a lot more than you have. Consult a magic dealer.

Frank Wood

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:12:45 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
In-reply-to: <list-27497214 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <1A41DF5D-F620-43D4-A0BB-40AA64D30473 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-27497214 [at] prxy.net>


I thought maybe I missed them, love those Italians.


On Feb 10, 2006, at 5:27 PM, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote:

> ya must be in Europe , , or watching it on the internet, , , here =20
> in the
> states, , it's tape delay, , , won't be on for a couple of hours yet


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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From: "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Colored Cable
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:14:22 -0500
Message-ID: <004f01c62e97$ba289900$0200a8c0 [at] ftoffice.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-27488995 [at] prxy.net>

It is fairly easy to order red SJ cable, or even buy fairly economical
extension cords and cut the ends off.  For a chandelier, is there a reason
you don't want to just paint it and just heat shrink the bundle?

Sam Fisher

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:16 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Colored Cable

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Cosmo Catalano wrote:
> 120 Volts.  The application is a chandelier made from about 50
> individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps.  Each socket  is
> individually suspended by it's own red cable.  All the cables are
> bundled together in a cylindrical shape.  The piece never tours, 
> doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by anyone once it is in the
> air.  It has one move:  from the shop to the theatre.  I'm not too
> concerned about conforming to the NEC.  It needs to look fabulous and
> not burst into flame (or fall out of the sky)  for two weeks.  Mic or
> speaker cable (perhaps even cat 5 plenum cable?) would probably all
> work.  The cat5 cable is my last resort, I'd rather have something a
> little rounder and easier to strain relief.

Be careful with cat5. It's only 24 gage, which can carry a maximum of
.577 amps. Bundled together like that, for safety's sake I'd de-rate it
to at most 80%, bringing it down to 0.46 amps per conductor. 50 watts at
120 volts is .416 amps - a little close to the maximum for my liking.

So, if I were using cat5, since each socket gets its own wire, I'd use
all 8 wires in the cable to carry the voltage, and connect each wire
independently, so that if one connection fails the other three are still
available to take the load.

-- 
Jim Hyslop




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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <222.7bdedc7.311e785a [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:14:34 EST
Subject: Re: Stage Beer

In a message dated 10/02/06 21:24:00 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com 
writes:

> I know this is heresy on this list but I have never liked the taste  
>  of beer real or NA.   I feel the actors pain.

You are, I think, talking about American beer. In Europe, we understand it 
better. Apart from being brown and fizzy, your Budweiser bears little 
relationship to that brewed in Budvar, Czechoslovakia, from which the name comes. 
Pilsener comes from Pilsen, in the same country. Few towns in Germany lack a 
brewery, and Belgium and France are not ill provided. Nor is Italy.

English beer is different again, as is Scottish.  In my view, no European 
beer is bad, although I mak an excption for German Weizebier.


Frank Wood

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:16:47 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
In-reply-to: <list-27494154 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <DEDBBB2B-5D1E-4963-9C03-BF63C1BE2982 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net> <list-27494154 [at] prxy.net>


there is a store near me, in Clifton, NJ called Corrado's Wine and =20
Beer Making (or something like that), they are apparently a Mecca for =20=

enthusiasts on the East Coast. I am sure a call to them might solicit =20=

some local resources. Corrado's is a bit off of the beaten path. They =20=

also have a major market and a garden center, not sure how they might =20=

be listed.



On Feb 10, 2006, at 3:03 PM, dale wrote:

>  Check with your local homebrew beer
> hobbyists.  They will have or know someone who has the
> carbonator device, bottle capper, and the knowledge on
> how to bottle such thing safely.  ( overcarbonating in a
> glass bottle can lead to minor explosions.  ) Probably
> cost you a refill for the CO2 tank and a case or two
> of empty bottles.


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:19:49 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
In-reply-to: <list-27498122 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43ED1F95.9090901 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27498122 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------

> You are, I think, talking about American beer. 

Most likely "Love in a canoe" beer...


Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <001401c62e9b$54846850$dcbcb742 [at] pamscomputer>
From: "Pamela Abra" <pabrah [at] telus.net>
References: <list-27497214 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:40:09 -0800

Sorry...I forgot.

I'm in Canada. CBC television covers opening, closing and all Canadian 
athletes live across the country.
Enjoy when you get to see the coverage on your networks tonight.   I didn't 
check the American networks to see if they were covering the ceremonies. 
Sorry about that everyone.

Cheers
Pam

>
> ya must be in Europe , , or watching it on the internet, , , here in the
> states, , it's tape delay, , , won't be on for a couple of hours yet
>
> best regards,
>
> Keith Arsenault
>
> International Arts & Entertainment Group
> Tampa, FL
> 



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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a  Counter-weight system)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:12:28 -0700
Message-ID: <090501c62e9f$d86bd0a0$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27490671 [at] prxy.net>

Absolutely you are correct. It is in the specs. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Durand
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Qualified Rigging Inspectors & Logs (Was: Life of a
Counter-weight system)

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At 06:46 AM 2/9/2006, you wrote:

>Writing proper specs is everything.

This should narrow down the bidders:

The installer SHALL have installed items at the White House, organize 
motorcycle trips for charity, and use the phrase "'zat help?" often.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: EPS to lauan?
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:21:05 -0700
Message-ID: <097b01c62ea1$0c773870$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27473680 [at] prxy.net>

Well ventilated meaning Mechanically engineered meeting NIOSH Standards for
Ventilation and IAQ, I hope. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Greg Bierly
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:18 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?

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> *    Never use an adhesive that contains a solvent. It will erode the
> Styrofoam releasing all sorts of toxic fumes

I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone adhesive have  
solvent?  I have found it is quick and easy for bonding foam to about  
anything.  Lots 'O Fumes though.  We use it in a well ventilated area.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield High School




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Message-ID: <43ECA4CB.9090908 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:55 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
References: <list-27463027 [at] prxy.net> <list-27473680 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27473680 [at] prxy.net>

Greg Bierly wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> *    Never use an adhesive that contains a solvent. It will erode the
>> Styrofoam releasing all sorts of toxic fumes
> 
> I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone adhesive have solvent?  I 
> have found it is quick and easy for bonding foam to about anything.  
> Lots 'O Fumes though.  We use it in a well ventilated area.
> 
> Greg Bierly
> Technical Director
> Hempfield High School
> 

    The RTV silicone compounds that I'm familiar with give off
vinegar as they cure.  Unfortunately, there are so many different
formulations of plastic, you really ought to grab some scraps
of what you want to use and test-glue them together.
   I think he meant petroleum-based solvent when he said
solvent above. Since most plastics are petroleum based,
petroleum solvents usually affect them.  Sometimes the glue
is actually nothing but petroleum solvent, as in common
PVC pipe adhesive.  It just softens the PVC pipe and they
meld together as the solvent evaporates.


    --Dale


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Message-ID: <43ECA516.5080402 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:37:10 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: EPS to lauan?
References: <list-27474737 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27474737 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Heinicke wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
>> I am not in the shop right now.  Does Silicone
>> adhesive have  
>> solvent?
> 
> I'm sure it does of some type, but it doesn't seem to
> dissolve foam. I've used it on EPS with no problems.
> Technically even wood glue contains a solvent. Keep in
> mind that water is a solvent, so even your beer and
> scoth have a solvent in them. :)
> 
> Mike Heinicke

   Yup.  Ever had a line item in your budget for
single-malt tape head cleaning solvent?   *grins*

   --Dale




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Message-ID: <43ECA6F4.60101 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:45:08 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net> <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net>

Cosmo Catalano wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 120 Volts.  The application is a chandelier made from about 50 
> individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps.  Each socket  is 
> individually suspended by it's own red cable.  All the cables are 
> bundled together in a cylindrical shape.  The piece never tours,  
> doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by anyone once it is in the 
> air.  It has one move:  from the shop to the theatre.  I'm not too 
> concerned about conforming to the NEC.  It needs to look fabulous and 
> not burst into flame (or fall out of the sky)  for two weeks.  Mic or 
> speaker cable (perhaps even cat 5 plenum cable?) would probably all 
> work.  The cat5 cable is my last resort, I'd rather have something a 
> little rounder and easier to strain relief.
> 
> Cosmo
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2006, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote:
> 
>> Message-ID: <43EBF8FC.4020604 [at] cybercom.net>
>> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:22:52 -0500
>> From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
>> Organization: I'm working on that....
>> Subject: Re: Colored Cable?
>> References: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>
>> In-Reply-To: <list-27470775 [at] prxy.net>
>>
>> Cosmo Catalano wrote:
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I'm looking for colored cable.  Red.  16/2 SJO or SO would be great.
>>> Each cable is carrying a max of 50 watts, so I could go with a colored
>>> mic cable if I had to.  Zip cord will not work in this  application.
>>> Any leads?
>>>
>>> Cosmo
>>>
>>
>>    What voltage?   If it's under 50 volts, then some of the beefier
>> microphone starquad cables may do the trick. ( have to check the
>> tables to be sure. )
>>     What's the application?
>>
>>
>>    --Dale

   Okay. I would not trust cat five cable.  120 volts is a bit more
than what the insulation is rated for.  I've seen round red cable
used for making extension cords.  Check around your local hardware
stores to see if they have one.  Orange is usually available, if
that is close enough.
    There is specific cable made for this.   Try the Belden Cable
and Carol Cable online catalogs to see if they have it.  I think
it's called something like festoon or chandelier cable.
    Once the thing gets made, why don't you take some pictures and
do a little writeup.  This is the kind of neat little project
that makes a great Theater Crafts article.

   --Dale


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Message-ID: <43ED33A9.5010701 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:45:29 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Colored Cable
References: <list-27483307 [at] prxy.net> <list-27484837 [at] prxy.net> <list-27499576 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27499576 [at] prxy.net>

Dale Farmer wrote:
>   Okay. I would not trust cat five cable.  120 volts is a bit more
> than what the insulation is rated for. 

*That's* what was bothering me earlier. My gut was saying "No! Don't do
it!" but I couldn't put my finger on it.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Jerry Gorrell is retiring
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:57:13 -0700
Message-ID: <0b2101c62ea6$18dca500$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27488687 [at] prxy.net>

Congratulations. doom

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Theatre
Safety Programs
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:01 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Jerry Gorrell is retiring

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After almost 30 years with the City of Phoenix, over 25 with the 
theatres, am finally retiring on Feb. 28, 2006.  The party will be at 
the Symphony Hall Lobby, newly remodeled, on Monday,  March 6 at 5:30 
p.m. MST.  If you are in the area and want to attend, the cost will 
be $20.00, which includes dinner and whatever.  If you want the 
official invitation, which needs to be an attachment, e-mail off-list.

Jennie on behalf of Jerry



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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: EPS to lauan?
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:17 -0700
Message-ID: <0b4401c62ea6$86fd8bd0$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27462440 [at] prxy.net>

I had a client in Los Angeles, year ago, who developed the adhesives for the
space shuttle tiles. Hundreds of MSDS' went with these secret glues ... but
now, maybe they might be able to address this problem, not too many tiles
falling off now. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:35 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: EPS to lauan?

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I *know* this subject's come up more times than I can count, but I can't
find the answer in my gmail so I guess it's been a while (or I'm not
using the right search terms)...

Anyone wanna recommend a production-triangle-defying adhesive to attach
pink/blue foam (extruded polystyrene) to lauan?  First priority is
durability/strength of bond, second priority is a quick setup time.  Low
cost would be gravy.


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Rigging inspections
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:16:51 -0700
Message-ID: <0c1201c62ea8$d6f79110$6400a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-27472578 [at] prxy.net>

Gosh, and though I am farther away, our company does that too .... not just
Mr. Sapsis et al. doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
MissWisc [at] aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:27 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Rigging inspections

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So, who is going to do it for you?
 
Kristi
 
 
BKHAIN [at] aol.com writes:
I'm just sorry I'm not closer to Mr. Sapsis and  company headquarters or 
other 
rigging companies / inspectors on this list! 
 


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Message-ID: <001901c62ea9$9065f6f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-27492895 [at] prxy.net> <list-27493182 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Stage Beer
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:03 -0800

> under age  and knows the difference???
>


Tara said he doesn't like the taste of the fake beer - nothing about 
preference.   I know what both taste like, and I can say that I don't like 
the taste of fake beer, either.  (But, as an actor, I'd drink it, if that 
was the consensus.)

      - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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