Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27532783; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:01:05 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #689 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:00:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, TRACKER_ID autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #689 1. Re: Opening Ceremonies by "Bill Nelson" 2. Re: Stage Beer by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 3. Re: trapeze actress by "Laura McMeley" 4. indoor pond by b Ricie 5. Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery by Matthew Jordan 6. Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall by Steve Larson 7. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Jim Hyslop 8. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by IAEG [at] aol.com 10. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by IAEG [at] aol.com 11. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Bill Sapsis 12. Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall by "Molettiere, John" 13. Re: Stage Beer by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 14. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by IAEG [at] aol.com 15. Re: Stage Beer by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Stage Beer by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 17. Re: Stage Beer by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 18. Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 19. Re: Pictures by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: trapeze actress by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: Stage Beer by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: Getting Nothing Done by CB 23. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: Getting Nothing Done by CB 25. Re: Pictures by CB 26. hot wire & welders by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 27. Re: Stage Beer by Paul Schreiner 28. Re: Stage Beer by Jerry Durand 29. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 30. Re: hot wire & welders by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "chrisharris25" 32. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Dale Farmer 33. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by John McKernon 34. EPS to Luan by Shell Dalzell 35. Re: indoor pond by "Jon Lagerquist" 36. Re: Stage Beer by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 37. Re: trapeze actress by "Laura McMeley" 38. Colored Cable by Paul Marsland 39. Re: [SPAM?] Re: trapeze actress by "Bill Nelson" 40. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "Bill Nelson" 41. Re: Colored Cable by Bruce Cooper 42. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <2639.208.51.52.118.1139657211.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:26:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Opening Ceremonies From: "Bill Nelson" I didn't see it, as I don't have cable. Did anyone record it that could loan me the copy to view? Bill ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <287.56b7120.311f4a46 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:10:14 EST Subject: Re: Stage Beer Frank, I think I found the problem. You're talking about Budweiser. Other than its name, it bears no resemblance to a good beer. It's just cheap and plentiful and their advertising is amusing. Jeff "> I know this is heresy on this list but I have never liked the taste > of beer real or NA. I feel the actors pain. You are, I think, talking about American beer. In Europe, we understand it better. Apart from being brown and fizzy, your Budweiser bears little relationship to that brewed in Budvar, Czechoslovakia, from which the name comes. Pilsener comes from Pilsen, in the same country. Few towns in Germany lack a brewery, and Belgium and France are not ill provided. Nor is Italy. Frank Wood" Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College Theater & Dance Depts. 845-758-7956 drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: trapeze actress Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c62f17$c6c2b440$d7508304 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: We recently had a short trapeze bit in Cav/Pag. The trapeze artist was a student at a circus training school. Not exactly new but also not a polished professional with lots of experience. She was lit with a front light spec. at about 45deg. in NC. This did not seem to bother her at all as she never complained or appeared to be concerned about the light. Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Judy > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:41 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: trapeze actress > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm lighting a show where an actress does trapeze stunts, and has to act > at the same time. So the director really wants good visibility for her > face. The actress is not a professional trapeze artist, she learnt how > to do it just for this show, and I am really afraid of blinding her or > putting her to any kind of extra discomfort. I'm going to meet with the > professional who trained her for the show, to discuss lighting her > safely. But I am a little worried that the professional might not be > aware enough of the problems facing an actress who is doing this without > all the professional experience. I was wondering if anybody on the list > has experience with this, if so what kind of angles, color, instruments > you used. > > Judy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060211151040.44870.qmail [at] web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: indoor pond In-Reply-To: Garden shops can be a great resource. For a large pond do the math to make sure your tolerances are correct. Round and square ponds will have the same forces pushing out on the walls but a rectangle will have more forces pushing on the long walls. The maximum force of the water will be pushing out at a distance of 2/3 from the bottom, not at the top of the wall as one might think. Wet vacs are your friend, they even make one with a pump out option so ya don't have to lug the big heavy thing to a drain. If the pond is large you might check with your local fire department to see if they would fill it for ya, they also have the big pumps and might be able to drain it for ya as well. Not sure where your gonna put this thing, but ya might want some kinda security...one floter can ruin you day. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:48:33 -0500 From: Matthew Jordan Subject: Re: Excess-flow control valves in scenery In-Reply-To: References:

> While these sound like interesting devices, I wonder if you > are expending a lot of effort to deal with a very low > probability event. Or do you have a history of air lines > blowing out at your facility of which I'm unaware? I should have been clearer in my earlier post, instead of saying "lines" I should have said "legs of the circuit." Fittings fail, as well as air-lines, cylinders and valves. The probability of these components failing (when properly used) are not necessarily high, but it does happen. And when it happens the audience can look forward to listening to compressed air venting until someone back/on-stage turns the thing off; the stage managers can look forward to dealing with a scenic item that will not function properly until the problem is repaired (often not an option during a performance.) A system that has the ability to automatically and effectively isolate a broken leg of the system is something that I am willing to sink a little time into. In the above scenario, the audience would hear only a blip of a hiss, and (depending on the design) the scenery might still be able to function satisfactory until the problem can be fixed. > It is, unfortunately, far to easy to run oneself down a > rathole dealing with some fascinating issue, and losing > sight of the larger picture. I've run merrily down many > such ratholes in my time, and no doubt will do so again. I agree wholeheartedly (funny, I seem to have spent a good deal of time down there myself.) Though to be honest, I haven't spent much time actively pursuing this line of thought. Thanks for responding Dale, your comments have helped me to solidify my thoughts on this whole thing. -- Matthew D. Jordan www.tmproject.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:50:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I built a series of water features in a set recently. Got the how-to ideas from Groundforce TV show. The guy at Lowe's finished the rest. Steve > From: Brian James > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:44:32 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Indoor pond with a waterfall > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Has any one here built and indoor water effect including a water fall? > If so, I would love some hints on where to look for some "hoe too" > information. As well as any insight you may have.... > > > -- > Brian James > > Everyone has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film" > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43EE0B70.3060509 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:06:08 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games References:

In-Reply-To: Dale Farmer wrote: > I'm watching it now. I wish the damn talking heads would > just shut their pie-holes and let me hear the program. That's part of the reason I don't bother watching any more. The TV crews completely butcher the artistry of the performance. I realized this while watching the Lillehammer olympics, and the director was so caught up on getting close-ups of everything, you lost the overall picture. These events are not designed to be viewed close-up, they are designed to be viewed from a distance, to get the overall effect. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c62f25$c54c86a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The TV crews completely butcher the artistry of the > performance. I realized this while watching the Lillehammer > olympics, and the director was so caught up on getting > close-ups of everything, you lost the overall picture. ...Which brings us neatly back to our previous discussion of vidiots who forget that everything isn't about them. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.44dee370.311f6736 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:13:42 EST Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In a message dated 2/11/06 11:06:40 AM, theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: << That's part of the reason I don't bother watching any more. The TV crews completely butcher the artistry of the performance. I realized this while watching the Lillehammer olympics, and the director was so caught up on getting close-ups of everything, you lost the overall picture. These events are not designed to be viewed close-up, they are designed to be viewed from a distance, to get the overall effect. >> I directed one quasi "opening ceremony" sort of event, nothing on Olympic scale, but was and hour long event in a big arena, , with a full orchestra, , 30 dancers, 160 voice chorus, bagpipes, actors, , giant wrap around screen projected effects and AV, , so it wasn't exactly HS Grad Ceremonies, , but it was a huge success for the live audience in place, , , however a local broadcast station decided to show it LIVE, , and they weren't a station with much experience in doing that sort of thing, , they would not take my advice on camera placement, , and then when I saw a video of their broadcast after the fact, , they did the same talking head thing, , thinking that they had to explain the symbolism behind everything to a dumb audience, when if they had shot the damn thing from the positions I indicated the symbolism would have been blatantly obvious and they could have kept their mouth shut, , aaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh best regards, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <279.4ad853e.311f6793 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:15:15 EST Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In a message dated 2/11/06 11:11:41 AM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << ...Which brings us neatly back to our previous discussion of vidiots who forget that everything isn't about them. >> I once had to practically body slam a television news camera man, , who didn't see why I was upset that he walked out onto the stage with dancers in a live performance, , "gee don't you want coverage? " literally was his reply, , , best regards, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:44:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Wellllllllll. I may be in a minority, but I enjoyed the ceremonies. The camera spent a fair amount of time at a distance so it was easy to get the whole picture. I loved the net climbers. That looked like loads of fun. (And really hard work.) If you took any of the different performances out of context it would not have been a big deal, but as a production it worked really well. The little girl doing the Italian National Anthem was a really nice touch. (and no, I do NOT care that she was taped). And call me old fashioned but Pavarotti was the perfect choice at the perfect time. The women carrying in the Olympic Flag? What a great choice! (But Ms. Loren looked like she was tiring by the end of that really long walk. I suspect the flag is a lot heavier than you'd think) And the fireworks weren't half bad, eh? But the real joy is watching the faces of the 'group' performers. You gotta know that they're all volunteers from local small dance companies and Karate schools and that they've been working really hard on this show and they're scared to death of screwing up and having a ball all at the same time. IMHO, that's what this is all about. Be well Bill www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Indoor pond with a waterfall Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:48:15 -0500 Message-ID: <070246C5EB7C994C9D4EBA308D19501801CB7258 [at] happy.cowetaschools.net> From: "Molettiere, John" Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com We did one last summer. I made the pond frame out of 2x4 and oversized then lined it with a tarp then one piece of thick plastic. I used a sump pump for the water. It moved much more water than the water fall pumps and at a better price. =20 John Molettiere Technical Director -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Lagerquist Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:43 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We have found that in general waterfalls make noise, and we would=20 rather they do not. So most of the time we take a fine net like a=20 cheese cloth or tulle and use it to guide the water down the surfaces=20 we want. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:01:44 EST Subject: Re: Stage Beer In a message dated 11/02/06 01:24:53 GMT Standard Time, paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com writes: > > English beer is different again, as is Scottish. In my view, no European > > beer is bad, although I mak an excption for German Weizebier. > > I dunno...I generally prefer a good hefeweizen over pilsners any day. > It's altbier I can't really develop a taste for. Try rauchbier. The malt has been smoked, and it tastes as though you'd boiled a ham in it. Just one brewery, in Bamberg. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <21f.7a8808f.311f82a6 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:10:46 EST Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In a message dated 2/11/06 11:44:47 AM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << IMHO, that's what this is all about. >> i couldn't agree more, , , , call me a softie, , , call me what ever you want, , but I love the Olympic openings and closings, , something about them touches me every time and I find my self getting all "verklempt" best regards, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.4857f9df.311f8493 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:18:59 EST Subject: Re: Stage Beer In a message dated 11/02/06 03:25:43 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >English beer is different again, as is Scottish. In my view, no European > >beer is bad, although I mak an excption for German Weizebier > > Frank, next time I hop the ditch, I must take you to places to get a proper > wheat beer. There are those that know how to make a proper wheat beer, and > those that don't. Don't knock and entire kind of beer jsut because you > haven't met anyone that can make a good one. I did overstate the case, slightly. But if you want to try some really wild beers, go to the north of France or Belgium. There are breweries which use wild yeasts, by leaving the malthouse windows open, and there's even a raspberry beer! The last tastes awful. and the wild yeasts are unpredictable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002801c62f38$baa6de90$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Stage Beer Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:26:51 -0700 > Try rauchbier. The malt has been smoked, and it tastes as though you'd boiled > a ham in it. Just one brewery, in Bamberg. that just doesn't sound appetizing... Really, I would taste it, I might like it, but really... Kind of, well... like trying to sell peanut butter because of it's high salt content! I had maybe six American beers last year. The rest, ahem, were all Guinness. Robert Riddle Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 11/02/06 01:24:53 GMT Standard Time, > paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com writes: > > > > English beer is different again, as is Scottish. In my view, no European > > > beer is bad, although I mak an excption for German Weizebier. > > > > I dunno...I generally prefer a good hefeweizen over pilsners any day. > > It's altbier I can't really develop a taste for. > > Try rauchbier. The malt has been smoked, and it tastes as though you'd boiled > a ham in it. Just one brewery, in Bamberg. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002d01c62f39$0a157ea0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Stage Beer Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:29:04 -0700 I will agree about the raspberry beers Tried several. Apricot is a close second to the bottom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Stage Beer > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 11/02/06 03:25:43 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > > > >English beer is different again, as is Scottish. In my view, no European > > >beer is bad, although I mak an excption for German Weizebier > > > > Frank, next time I hop the ditch, I must take you to places to get a proper > > wheat beer. There are those that know how to make a proper wheat beer, and > > those that don't. Don't knock and entire kind of beer jsut because you > > haven't met anyone that can make a good one. > > I did overstate the case, slightly. But if you want to try some really wild > beers, go to the north of France or Belgium. There are breweries which use wild > yeasts, by leaving the malthouse windows open, and there's even a raspberry > beer! The last tastes awful. and the wild yeasts are unpredictable. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:32:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Indoor pond with a waterfall From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Be sure your liner is NOT permeable, some pond liners are. I learned that the hard and wet way. Merel On 2/10/06 11:44 PM, "Brian James" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Has any one here built and indoor water effect including a water fall? > If so, I would love some hints on where to look for some "hoe too" > information. As well as any insight you may have.... > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <235.6b64417.311f8a27 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:42:47 EST Subject: Re: Pictures In a message dated 11/02/06 05:50:17 GMT Standard Time, taco [at] peak.org writes: > Apropos of nothing, well, almost nothing, well, okay, I'll just be > long-winded about it. Rarely, if ever, do production photos illustrate, > demonstrate, reflect upon, or even resemble the lighting design as seen in > the theater. Especially as you move down the food chain to smaller and > smaller theaters. It all depends on who takes the photos. I always take a set of the shows I have lit, in addition to the official ones. Since they are usually hand held, and under nothing but the stage lighting, the definition is not all I should wish, even using a digital camera with an anti-shake facility on a monopod. But they look like the show was, since I take them for record purposes. You can find a few on photobucket under my name, with the colour rensering sort of corrected, since most started out on film. I do agree that, in general, they are often very iffy. When I see the local professional unfurl his umbrellas for flash, I groan. But, to be fair, these are for a different purpose. They are sold to the cast at a profit. There is an article at http://www.oswego.edu/academics/colleges_and_departments/departments/theatre/prodhist/photoart.html which you might find interesting. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <127.6cb3a9e3.311f8b7b [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:48:27 EST Subject: Re: trapeze actress In a message dated 11/02/06 07:41:11 GMT Standard Time, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: > I'm lighting a show where an actress does trapeze stunts, and has to act > at the same time. So the director really wants good visibility for her > face. The actress is not a professional trapeze artist, she learnt how > to do it just for this show, and I am really afraid of blinding her or > putting her to any kind of extra discomfort. Sidelighting and backlighting are the best bet, to start with. Some frontal lighting will be needed, for facial visibility, but not a lot. If you can find some pictures of shows lit by Wolfgang Goebbel. they will show you the sort of thing. I can't point you at a source. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <24d.6bd6274.311f8ec0 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:02:24 EST Subject: Re: Stage Beer In a message dated 11/02/06 14:10:58 GMT Standard Time, JDruc3737 [at] aol.com writes: > Frank, I think I found the problem. You're talking about Budweiser. Other > than its name, it bears no resemblance to a good beer. It's just cheap and > plentiful and their advertising is amusing. There isn't one, apart from Anheuser-Busch, who brew it in the US, and stole the name. The original was brewed in Czechoslovakia, in the town of Budvar, of which the German name was Budweis. It still is. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060211120202.00d1f460 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:02:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Getting Nothing Done >It ain't the machine chris. Its how you use it. Caffe Basso all the way >baby. Yahbut if you got skills, the GrandMa (or, insert your favored hi-octane computer lighting console here, what do I know?) will get you better results than a two scene preset eight channel American DJ board. I honed my skills on Miss Sylvia, a cruel taskmistress, but if you're a good boy and do as your told (and you know that's me) you get great crema. I'm just starting to pour Latte Art with her, and that's a bit of a trick. Are you talking about the Caffe Bosso in the Hague or the one in Melbourne? Or are you talking about the coffee from the Genoa Trading foods folk? For great coffee, check out the story behind Kopi Luwak! Only about 50 Kg a year are exported, and its about a hunnert bucks a pound. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.4c95c940.311f8fb2 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:06:26 EST Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In a message dated 11/02/06 16:11:41 GMT Standard Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > The TV crews completely butcher the artistry of the > > performance. I realized this while watching the Lillehammer > > olympics, and the director was so caught up on getting > > close-ups of everything, you lost the overall picture. This is typical of modern TV. Everything has to be in close-up. I sometimes wish that the zoom lens had never been invented! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060211121031.00d1f460 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:10:31 From: CB Subject: Re: Getting Nothing Done > Next task after that is to design the road case for it. *grins* >Don't forget room for the supplies it will need. Lammy-ply, casters, aluminum extrusion, and closures are stacked in the carport... I have a roadbox for the little 'un, I'll need onefor the big'un. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060211121917.00d1f460 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:19:17 From: CB Subject: Re: Pictures >Nice work for a guy who doesn't do Webgeekery, Don. I'll second that. The best websites are the ones that just have what you need there, without a bunch of distractions. Nice photos, and just enough choices on the site to make it useful, not enough to make it cluttered! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <23319600.1139689893086.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:31:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: hot wire & welders Howdy, Folks! I'd like to cut some blue foam with a hot-wire cutter. I have the nichrome wire, but I don't have the power supply. In the past I've used a variac dimmer, but I don't have one of those handy. I've heard it can be done with a welder. Has anybody here done this before? What all do I need to know before attempting this? I have a Millermatic 130, a Millermatic 130 XP, and a Miller Spool-Mate 200. All are constant-voltage DC MIG welders. I suppose I could try it with the plasma cutter, but I'd like to have something left when I'm done. ; ) Thanks, Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:37:05 -0500 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Re: Stage Beer In-Reply-To: References:

> > Try rauchbier. The malt has been smoked, and it tastes as though you'd > boiled > > a ham in it. Just one brewery, in Bamberg. > > that just doesn't sound appetizing... Really, > I would taste it, I might like it, but really... > Kind of, well... like trying to sell peanut butter because of it's > high salt content! > Rauchbier is rather interesting. Not something to drink if you're looking for a refreshing brew, but it'd definitly go well with a meal of smoked meats or strongly-flavored cheeses. The wild yeast beers Frank referred to are generally called "lambics", and yes, it's all open fermentation. Most have some fruit adjuncts, and I actually like the framboise (raspberry) best of all. But the tastes usually run pretty sour because of the presence of acidopholus (sp?) bacteria amongst the wild yeasts. They are also a very localized product, and a lambic from one area can taste markedly different from an identical recipe brewed more than a few miles away (differences in local flora and all that). If you try one expecting it to taste like a fruity "beer", you'll be disappointed...but it's not nearly as "acquired" a taste as scotch. The only reason I'm not much for altbiers is that the only varieties I've had the opportunity to sample tasted of overpowering cloves. A lot of these different varieties of beer bear practically no resemblance to what we left-ponders are used to describing as beer.=20 Even the Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic (which isn't bad) doesn't really capture the spirit of a true Belgian lambic. And trying to convince someone whose entire experience is with cheap American pilsners that "once you've tried one beer..." is very difficult. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1ABC5F1E-2F5A-49D1-B0ED-7925B3A0212B [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stage Beer Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:40:48 -0800 On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:18 AM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > ant to try some really wild > beers, go to the north of France or Belgium. There are breweries > which use wild > yeasts, by leaving the malthouse windows open, and there's even a > raspberry > beer! The last tastes awful. and the wild yeasts are unpredictable. Sounds very predictable...awful. :) ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:12:04 GMT Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Message-Id: <20060211.141238.12721.80847 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> We cannot forget that sponsors, grantmakers, and other funding sources, = both public and private, think that it is all about them. The introducti= on of the 'television time-out' was just the tip of the iceberg; the Oly= mpic schedule of events appears to be heavily influenced by the time dem= ands of American Prime-Time television. /s/ Richard ____________________________ << ...Which brings us neatly back to our previous discussion of vidiots = who forget that everything isn't about them. >> ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <294.558c4d2.311fccf8 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:27:52 EST Subject: Re: hot wire & welders In a message dated 11/02/06 20:32:02 GMT Standard Time, bigfred [at] mindspring.com writes: > I'd like to cut some blue foam with a hot-wire cutter. I > have the nichrome wire, but I don't have the power > supply. In the past I've used a variac dimmer, but I > don't have one of those handy. I've heard it can be > done with a welder. Has anybody here done this before? What I have seen done is to use a transformer with a single turn secondary, the cutter being part of the single turn. It's the sort of thing that chandlers use for cutting and sealing synthetic rope. The power draw is small, so it was in a 6" x 4" x2" box, with two pillars standing up and about 4" of hacksaw blade between them. The current you get in a single turn secondary is enormous. There is a piece of demonstration apparatus you may well find in a school Physics lab called a "Stenzl Apparatus". This is a DIY transformer kit, designed to demonstrate the properties of transformers. One of the attachments is a single turn, with holders for a 6" nail, which gets red-hot in seconds. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004a01c62f65$946f1cb0$0a00a8c0 [at] HomeComputer> Reply-To: "chrisharris25" From: "chrisharris25" References: Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:47:54 -0500 <> Tis true...but without them, there would probably be no Olympics, or at the very least televised Olympics, to begin with.........unless you are willing to foot a large part of the, what did they say, $12 billion tab for this one??? Chris Chris Harris Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43EE9FF3.1000409 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:39:47 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Wellllllllll. I may be in a minority, but I enjoyed the ceremonies. The > camera spent a fair amount of time at a distance so it was easy to get the > whole picture. I loved the net climbers. That looked like loads of fun. > (And really hard work.) > > If you took any of the different performances out of context it would not > have been a big deal, but as a production it worked really well. The little > girl doing the Italian National Anthem was a really nice touch. (and no, I > do NOT care that she was taped). And call me old fashioned but Pavarotti > was the perfect choice at the perfect time. > > The women carrying in the Olympic Flag? What a great choice! (But Ms. > Loren looked like she was tiring by the end of that really long walk. I > suspect the flag is a lot heavier than you'd think) > > And the fireworks weren't half bad, eh? > > But the real joy is watching the faces of the 'group' performers. You gotta > know that they're all volunteers from local small dance companies and Karate > schools and that they've been working really hard on this show and they're > scared to death of screwing up and having a ball all at the same time. > > IMHO, that's what this is all about. > Other than the aforementioned pie-hole commentary, I actually enjoyed it. I had my laptop and was running through newsgroups and e-mail while the march of the athletes went on. I wonder if someone like the discovery channel is filming a behind the scenes show or three about the pre-planning and support staff a mega-event like the Olympics has to have. I find the sports events themselves not all that interesting. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:53:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The introduction > of the 'television time-out' was just the tip of the iceberg; the Olympic > schedule of events appears to be heavily influenced by the time demands of > American Prime-Time television. I'm not so sure about that - because the events are all over by the time we see the show here in NY, the networks are cutting and pasting both the events and their order in whatever way maximizes the TV audience. That means that the actual schedule of the events is largely irrelevant, at least in terms of viewing here in the U.S. - Fortunately, the preliminary events *have* to precede the finals, nothing the networks can do about that! If the networks *really* determined the schedule, then the Olympics would have a break during the U.S. east coast's dinner break time, never mind the actual time of day in Torino. They'd be doing downhill skiing in the dark, and figure skating at 3am. - John ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9D0A0957-714F-4B21-AF81-1B50332882FB [at] hawaii.rr.com> From: Shell Dalzell Subject: EPS to Luan Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:12:21 -1000 I have been gluing EPS to EPS and EPS to Luan for about 35 years and I have tried a lot of different adhesives. Green glue is just wonderful if you have no labor costs, unlimited space, unlimited time, and you don't mind a 50% failure rate. It is not my favorite. Any of the gushy-gushy products, like FRP, liquid nails, silicon, etc are almost as useless but take even longer to cure. The best product for small projects (under 32 sq ft for example) is any of the polyurethane glues. They are excellent, strong, fast (30 minutes) and fool proof. Don't require much clamping, a few bricks will usually do the job. The best adhesive for large jobs and large pieces of foam is GreatStuff. This is an expanding polyurethane foam that comes in a spray can. BUT, don't buy it from Home Depot in the cans with a plastic straw. This stuff works but once you open a can you have to use it all that day or throw it away. Buy it from a drywall supplier or other wholesaler. They sell it by the case, in cans with a screw top. They also sell a pistol grip gun that screws onto the can for about $45. Once you open a can you can shoot the foam, stop for up to 30 days, pick up the gun and start shooting again. No waste, no cleanup. And this stuff it very strong for gluing large chunks of EPS together. Cures in about 30 - 45 minutes. If you have to have no gap between blocks, scrape a shallow channel in one of the matting surfaces and put the foam there. A/B polyurethane foam works just as well but is messier and takes a much higher skill level Aloha, Shell sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:34:18 -0800 Subject: Re: indoor pond Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43EE4A4A.30012.CBCB4A9 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: References: Actually the maximum force is at the bottom of the pool. The edge may bulge more at a point above that because the side is not engineered to hold the load and the bottom of the pool constrains the side at the floor. > The maximum > force of the water will be pushing out at a distance > of 2/3 from the bottom, Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003601c62f94$162ea9e0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Stage Beer Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:20:49 -0700 I was stationed in Mannheim, FRG (Federal Republic of Germany) in the early 70's and in (one of) my quests for the free worlds best Jagerschnitzel I wandered far from the barracks. One of the benefits of that was I always had a local beer with my meal. The names and locations far gone in my memory, (and I WAS focusing on the meal,) but I do remember some great beers. I do remember also London not having great schnitzel. ;-) but there was a great F&C place just off the tube on Fulham. Robert Riddle Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schreiner" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Stage Beer For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > Try rauchbier. The malt has been smoked, and it tastes as though you'd > boiled > > a ham in it. Just one brewery, in Bamberg. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: trapeze actress Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c62f99$4935c440$ec578304 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: Funny enough, the Cav/Pag I just mentioned was lit by Wolfgang Goebbel. I can send a pic if you can wait until after Friday. Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Designer The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 > If you can > find > some pictures of shows lit by Wolfgang Goebbel. they will show you the > sort of > thing. I can't point you at a source. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060212061421.58785.qmail [at] web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:14:21 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Colored Cable In-Reply-To: Cosmo Catalano wrote: >120 Volts. The application is a chandelier made from about 50 >individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps. Each socket is >individually suspended by it's own red cable. All the cables are >bundled together in a cylindrical shape. The piece never tours, >doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by anyone once it is in >the air. It has one move: from the shop to the theatre. I'm not too >concerned about conforming to the NEC. Some years ago I bought 1000 ft of a white jacketed wire, like a 7c/16g. While I would have liked an SJ, SJO, SJOOW etc, this cable was closer to something like a speaker wire; thinner outer jacket, beefier inner insulation, just fine for the application. My stage lighting co found it through one of their suppliers (Anixter I think?). I am sure that you will be successful through one source or another. Perhaps TMB will do a custom run of SJO for you (if you're willing to take 5000 ft :) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1058.208.51.52.85.1139727510.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:58:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: trapeze actress From: "Bill Nelson" > We recently had a short trapeze bit in Cav/Pag. The trapeze artist was a > student at a circus training school. Not exactly new but also not a > polished > professional with lots of experience. She was lit with a front light spec. > at about 45deg. in NC. This did not seem to bother her at all as she never > complained or appeared to be concerned about the light. I would be very leary about using someone that did not have a fair amount of trapeze training. To minimize light problems, you could always light from the sides, with just dim fill light from the front. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1076.208.51.52.85.1139728445.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:14:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games From: "Bill Nelson" > This is typical of modern TV. Everything has to be in close-up. I > sometimes wish that the zoom lens had never been invented! At least the zoom lens reduces the number of cameras and helps keep them off the stage and wings. At our local theatre, if there is news coverage, the photographers and/or videographers are banned from the stage and wings. All shots must be from the audience seating area during a rehearsal. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1139734939.43eef99b07630 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:02:19 -0600 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Re: Colored Cable References: In-Reply-To: Just a thought, but have you considered standard cable with a high-flex heatshrink in the color of your choice ? I know they make some very flexible H/S these days, as I've just recently used some. And it comes in up to 6 foot lengths. Doesn't look at all bad. It's electrically rated and cheaper than custom jacketed cable. :Bruce Quoting Paul Marsland : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Cosmo Catalano wrote: > >120 Volts. The application is a chandelier made from > about 50 > >individual 40watt G40 medium screw base lamps. Each > socket is > >individually suspended by it's own red cable. All > the cables are > >bundled together in a cylindrical shape. The piece > never tours, > >doesn't fly in and out, and is never touched by > anyone once it is in > >the air. It has one move: from the shop to the > theatre. I'm not too > >concerned about conforming to the NEC. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20060212205525.0306b968 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:05:53 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In-Reply-To: References: At 12:53 12.2.2006, John McKernon wrote: >If the networks *really* determined the schedule, then the Olympics would >have a break during the U.S. east coast's dinner break time, never mind the >actual time of day in Torino. They'd be doing downhill skiing in the dark, >and figure skating at 3am. There was substantial of pressure on the organisers of the Sydney Olympics in 2000 to run the opening ceremony in the late morning, so that it would appear during prime time viewing in the US. The network in question pointed out that as they were the largest single source of income to the games, they should be entitled to chose what time that it went to air. I seem to recall that in the end they ran a time-delayed highlights-only version. Andy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #689 *****************************