Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27562318; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:01:54 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #690 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:00:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #690 1. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Mark O'Brien 2. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Stephen Litterst 3. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "chip.a.wood" 4. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Stephen Litterst 5. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "chip.a.wood" 6. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Bill Sapsis 7. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "chip.a.wood" 8. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Paul Schreiner 9. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Dale Farmer 10. indoor pond by b Ricie 11. Re: indoor pond by Kurt Cypher 12. Re: indoor pond by "Christopher Hofmann" 13. Re: indoor pond by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: indoor pond by Mark O'Brien 15. Re: indoor pond by Jerry Durand 16. Transparent Aluminum by Jerry Durand 17. Re: Stage Beer by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: trapeze actress by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: hot wire & welders by "Paul Guncheon" 20. Re: hot wire & welders by Jerry Durand 21. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: indoor pond by "richard j. archer" 23. Re: Stage Beer by CB 24. ETC Virtual Facepanel by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: trapeze actress by "Michael Finney" 26. Re: excess-flow check valves in messages by "G. D. George" 27. Re: gobbledygook (was: excess-flow check valves in messages) by "G. D. George" 28. Portable Power distribution boxes by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 29. Re: Portable Power distribution boxes by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 30. Re: Portable Power distribution boxes by Dale Farmer 31. Re: ETC Virtual Facepanel by Michael de Almeida 32. Re: ETC Virtual Facepanel by Stephen LItterst 33. Re: indoor pond by "Jon Lagerquist" 34. Re: indoor pond by Jim Hyslop 35. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by "Chip" 36. Halation in profile spots by Stephen LItterst 37. Re: Halation in profile Yes by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" 38. If your bored by "Maurice Moe Conn" 39. Re: If your bored by "The Elliott Family" 40. Re: If your bored by Stephen Litterst 41. Re: Transparent Aluminum by Herrick Goldman 42. Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20060212043640.ezeql8g0sgsk0kso [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:36:40 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games References:

In-Reply-To: Quoting Andy Ciddor : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 12:53 12.2.2006, John McKernon wrote: >> If the networks *really* determined the schedule, then the Olympics would >> have a break during the U.S. east coast's dinner break time, never mind the >> actual time of day in Torino. They'd be doing downhill skiing in the dark, >> and figure skating at 3am. > > There was substantial of pressure on the organisers of the Sydney Olympics > in 2000 to run the opening ceremony in the late morning, so that it would > appear during prime time viewing in the US. The network in question pointed > out that as they were the largest single source of income to the games, > they should be entitled to chose what time that it went to air. > I seem to recall that in the end they ran a time-delayed highlights-only > version. > > Andy In Tucson, the local NBC station (The network that spent all the money to host it) had crap on all day. Paid commercials etc. saving up for the prime time show. I think a cable network had live coverage during the day. For me, that takes all the fun out of watching it, as the outcome has, well, already been had. Same with the Opening, etc. I love the drama of something happening live, and a taped replay just does not get it for me. Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:32:48 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In-reply-to: Message-id: <43EF3900.10803 [at] ithaca.edu> References: John McKernon wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > If the networks *really* determined the schedule, then the Olympics would > have a break during the U.S. east coast's dinner break time, never mind the > actual time of day in Torino. They'd be doing downhill skiing in the dark, > and figure skating at 3am. True, John, but only up to a point. The networks still influence the order of the events and the days on which they happen. They can't afford to completely reshuffle the events in the editing trailer because the internet and print media are reporting things as they happen. So the big ticket events (figure skating, curling, etc) will be on days that the networks expect strong numbers. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Subject: RE: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen > Litterst > So > the big ticket events (figure skating, curling, etc) will be on days > that the networks expect strong numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:15:45 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In-reply-to: Message-id: <43EF4311.4020608 [at] ithaca.edu> References: chip.a.wood wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket event. :) Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Subject: RE: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:31:47 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I think all the Canadian hockey fans may disagree as to the National Sport? Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen > Litterst > > Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? > > I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. > > Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket > event. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/12/06 9:15 AM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > chip.a.wood wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? > > I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. > > Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket > event. :) > > Steve L. > Excuse me??? Curling not a big ticket event? I beg to differ. What can be more exciting than watching the top curlers of the world battle it out? <> Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Subject: RE: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh, I was not suggesting that curling was not an exciting event, just not a BIG ticket event. After all, who can ever forget the heart stopping excitement of Hannah Smchidt sweeping her team to the world Championships. Ah, those were the days when curlers were golden. :>) Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill > Sapsis > >> > >> Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? > > > > I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. > > > > Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket > > event. :) > Excuse me??? Curling not a big ticket event? I beg to differ. > What can be > more exciting than watching the top curlers of the world battle it out? > <> > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:59:47 -0500 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In-Reply-To: References:

> >> Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? > > > > I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. > > > > Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket > > event. :) > > > Excuse me??? Curling not a big ticket event? I beg to differ. What can= be > more exciting than watching the top curlers of the world battle it out? Just so's all y'all know, neither curling nor hockey is the national sport of Canada, eh? It's lacrosse. Though the Canadian women's curling team did put out--I mean, publish--a nude calendar this past year IIRC to raise funds and supporters. Haven't seen it, though. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43EF4E70.70809 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:04:16 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games References: In-Reply-To: chip.a.wood wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh, I was not suggesting that curling was not an exciting event, just not a > BIG ticket event. After all, who can ever forget the heart stopping > excitement of Hannah Smchidt sweeping her team to the world Championships. > Ah, those were the days when curlers were golden. :>) > > Chip > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill >> Sapsis >>>> Curling??? One of the BIG ticket events??? >>> I imagine that all of Canada tunes in for their National Sport. >>> >>> Ok, so I might have stretched a bit to suggest curling as a big ticket >>> event. :) > >> Excuse me??? Curling not a big ticket event? I beg to differ. >> What can be >> more exciting than watching the top curlers of the world battle it out? >> <> I went curling once. It was quite exciting. But I won! I didn't fall over! --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060212150241.94888.qmail [at] web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: indoor pond In-Reply-To: Sorry to disagree Jon, and I hate to name drop, but my figures come directly from an MIT trained Engineer, and I am not going to doubt him. That is also Precisely why the pond will bulge out at the distance of 2/3's the distance from the floor. If the side is not engineered to hold the load then the water will win. Like I said before, do the math, or have someone smarter than you do the math,then you can be sure the water will stay on the correct side of the wall. >> Actually the maximum force is at the bottom of the pool. The edge may bulge more at a point above that because the side is not engineered to hold the load and the bottom of the pool constrains the side at the floor.<< > The maximum > force of the water will be pushing out at a distance > of 2/3 from the bottom, Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:54:20 -0500 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: indoor pond In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/12/06, b Ricie wrote: > Sorry to disagree Jon, and I hate to name drop, but my > figures come directly from an MIT trained Engineer, > and I am not going to doubt him. That is also > Precisely why the pond will bulge out at the distance > of 2/3's the distance from the floor. If the side is > not engineered to hold the load then the water will > win. Like I said before, do the math, or have someone > smarter than you do the math,then you can be sure the > water will stay on the correct side of the wall. > I'd actually like to see some details from this MIT engineer's calculations, because I don't recall ever seeing a dam that was thicker 2/3s of the way up than it was at the bottom. Plus, being an MIT trained Engineer doesn't necessarily mean anything, because he could be an Electrical Engineer :) Without having done the math, I tend to agree that the bulge at that level tends to be more due to structural integrity of the pool, rather than higher force of the water. The water at the bottom of the pool has a lot more other water pushing down on it, but the fact that the side at the bottom is firmly attached to the bottom tends to provide it the necessary structural integrity at that point, where the side 2/3s of the way up tends to have a lot less structural integrity holding the side rigid, and would tend to bulge. The fact that the 2/3 level tends to bulge is probably due to the top of the side being less structurally sound than the bottom, so the bulge would appear closer to the top than the bottom, but that's just a guess. Of course, it's been over 15 years since I took the mechanical engineering classes I was required to take as a computer engineering undergrad student, and even longer since my physics classes, so it's entirely possible that I may be forgetting a detail or two, but I think my theory holds water (pun intended). Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Hofmann" Subject: RE: indoor pond Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c62ff1$8b60f990$0201a8c0 [at] ChrisLaptop> In-Reply-To: >Sorry to disagree Jon, and I hate to name drop, but my figures come directly from an MIT trained Engineer I was in on this build with Brian and I saw the calculations (which were beyond me, so I can neither confirm or refute their validity.) However, I remember it as the greatest outward pressure being 1/3 the way up the side from the floor and that that figure was not universal but a product of our particular pool size and shape. OK, not much help, but I've been out of touch for a while and wanted to speak up. Chris Ex Cape Cod TD, now South Carolina based freelancer. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: indoor pond Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:35:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c62ff2$61d94d60$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Plus, being an MIT trained Engineer doesn't > necessarily mean anything, because he could be an Electrical > Engineer :) Or Tom Magliozzi from "Car Talk". ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060212095818.4aag4wsgo488cw8g [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:58:18 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: indoor pond References: In-Reply-To: Hmmm, When reading Jon's post, I thought... "I was just thinking the same thing" I'm going to vote with Jon. Anyone else have something to say on this? Mark-O -- Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile Quoting b Ricie : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Sorry to disagree Jon, and I hate to name drop, but my > figures come directly from an MIT trained Engineer, > and I am not going to doubt him. That is also > Precisely why the pond will bulge out at the distance > of 2/3's the distance from the floor. If the side is > not engineered to hold the load then the water will > win. Like I said before, do the math, or have someone > smarter than you do the math,then you can be sure the > water will stay on the correct side of the wall. > >>> Actually the maximum force is at the bottom of the > pool. The edge may > bulge more at a point above that because the side is > not engineered > to hold the load and the bottom of the pool constrains > the side at > the floor.<< > >> The maximum >> force of the water will be pushing out at a distance >> of 2/3 from the bottom, > > > Jon Lagerquist > Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory > Costa Mesa, CA > > > Brian Rice > 508-685-0716 > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the > light." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: indoor pond Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:07:35 -0800 On Feb 12, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Mark O'Brien wrote: > I'm going to vote with Jon. Anyone else have something to say on > this? > I believe the wall will bulge there, but not because it's the maximum pressure, it's the combination of pressure and support. Max pressure is at the bottom, but as has been mentioned, that's securely fastened to the floor of the tank so it doesn't bulge...but does have to support the strain. If you look at large dams, they curve inwards towards the water. That way the concrete is in compression instead of tension and doesn't bulge. Putting concrete in tension is about as smart as pushing on a rope. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060212101451.01f7f860 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:15:20 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Transparent Aluminum Scotty's famous material is here... >METALLIC GLASS MYSTERY >Using state-of-the-art lab techniques and powerful computer simulations, >Johns Hopkins researchers have discovered how atoms pack themselves in >unusual materials known as metallic glasses. Their findings should help >scientists better understand the atomic scale structure of this material, >which is used to make sports equipment, cell phone cases, armor-piercing >projectiles, and other products. > >The work represents a major step forward because the tools used to study >traditional crystalline metals do not work well with metallic glass, and >a better understanding of the material has been needed. > >"We set out to decipher this packing information, and we were ultimately able >to provide a clear description of how the atoms arrange themselves >in metallic >glass," said Howard Sheng, an associate research scientist in the Department >of Materials Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins. > >For more information, visit: http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060130A6 -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <282.56dd032.3120d94b [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:32:43 EST Subject: Re: Stage Beer In a message dated 12/02/06 05:21:10 GMT Standard Time, idahoscenic [at] cableone.net writes: > I do remember also London not having > great schnitzel. ;-) > but there was a great F&C place just off the tube on Fulham. It's hard to find, even in Germany, these days, most of it is pork. The best bet is in an Italian restaurant. Here, you will usually find proper veal escalopes, cut on the bias, and properly breaded. In the days you speak of, I knew many in and around Soho. There are fewer now. While on German food, I have been kicking myself for four years. In Bayreuth, we were having lunch before the opera, just down from our hotel. My wife went back, leaving me to settle up. While waiting, my eye fell on the 'today's special' board. "Gansebraten mit Knoedeln". Roast goose, and I had settled for roast beef! Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.670affd1.3120da19 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:36:09 EST Subject: Re: trapeze actress In a message dated 12/02/06 05:58:36 GMT Standard Time, LMcMeley [at] msn.com writes: > Funny enough, the Cav/Pag I just mentioned was lit by Wolfgang Goebbel. > I can send a pic if you can wait until after Friday. I'll be interested to see it. I should think his general style would be good for this, which I assume was in Pag. Let us know where to find it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:37:22 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: hot wire & welders Message-id: <001d01c63003$5da530e0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> References: > I'd like to cut some blue foam with a hot-wire cutter. I > have the nichrome wire, but I don't have the power > supply. I have used a standard light dimmer from the hardware store. I used a sliding one and put tape to stop the slide at the optimal position. Start in the "off" position and increase the power until the wire is hot enough to cut. Laters, Paul "I just got a job putting up steel girders!" Tom beamed. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060212104216.01fb1c60 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:43:46 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: hot wire & welders In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:37 AM 2/12/2006, you wrote: >I have used a standard light dimmer from the hardware store. I used a >sliding one and put tape to stop the slide at the optimal position. Start in >the "off" position and increase the power until the wire is hot enough to >cut. The welder would be safer doing this, since the wire wouldn't be isolated from the mains power. Just start off with the welder amps set to minimum and work your way up. Make sure to stay in the "100% duty cycle" part of your welder's range. AC is fine, no need to heat up the diodes in the welder for this. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:57:36 EST Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games In a message dated 12/02/06 07:14:26 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > > This is typical of modern TV. Everything has to be in close-up. I > > sometimes wish that the zoom lens had never been invented! > > At least the zoom lens reduces the number of cameras and helps keep them > off the stage and wings. Maybe. Back in the days of four-lens turrets, and huge cameras with enormous cables you were forced to plan better, from the director onwards. These cameras were static in a theatre: it was a two-man lift to get one onto its mounting. They had their advantages. Given their huge mass, camera shake was not a problem, and prime lenses are always better than zooms. OTOH, CCDs are better quality than image orthicons or vidicons. What always amused me was how keen amateur still photographers were to snap up the redundant lenses. All lens design in a matter of compromise, and TV lenses were optimised for the TV bandwidth. This meant that their spatial requency held up very well up to the TV limit, and then died like a stone. General purpose lenses held up less well, but went on a lot further. True, with a reducing response. but it was still there at twice and more that of a TV lens. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:33 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: indoor pond Didn't Shawn Nolan (civil engineer--Entertainment Structures Group) do a calculation about this a year or two ago when the list was talking "Metamorphosis" Shawn was supposed to be holding an engineering master class at Cal State Fullerton this weekend so he's likely busy...maybe somebody saved that e mail? Dick A TD Cornell U ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060212123608.00d1fc40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:36:08 From: CB Subject: Re: Stage Beer >I will agree about the raspberry beers Tried several. Apricot is a >close second to the bottom I've tried the raspberry beer in Northern France (I used to live in Pirmasens, so N France were my neighbors..) and you need to approach these fruit beers from a 'not beer' standpoint. If you can do that, you might be pleased. Pyramid, in Seattle, puts together a nice hefewiezen with a bit of a grapefruit aftertaste, an apricot weizen that isn't disgusting, and an amber weizen to boot. Any one of these might be subtituted for beer on stage if the actor doesn't like regular beer. Not the underaged actor, unfortunately... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:51:39 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: ETC Virtual Facepanel Message-id: <1182.147.129.23.144.1139773899.squirrel [at] 147.129.23.144> Has anyone on the list experimented with the "Virtual Facepanel" add-on to WYSIWYG? I'm interested in it, but I'm not willing to spring for the WYSIWYG license without some first-hand reviews. I tried using the Demo form of WYSIWYG but the ETC software looks for the dongle itself. Steve L. (Hoping this is a slightly less contentious topic than my naive question about Lekos) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: trapeze actress Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:20:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" I've dealt with this a couple of times, and asked one of my aerialist buddies about it as well (hang out in my end of the business long enough and you start to feel like you've joined either the circus or a bunch of stunt puppies...). With a new/inexperienced performer, it's kind of hard to tell exactly what might bother them (be sure to ask! it's their butt hanging in the air, after all). But some general guidelines: Too many lights become disorienting (especially if they're hung asymmetrically...like 2 "upstage" and a single "downstage"). My pet trapeze geek said he was comfortable with a couple on each side and one at each end along the direction of travel. The fixtures at the ends of the path of travel actually become a big help in orientation - and a lot of performers use them to spot if they're doing release moves (like a dancer using a spotting light). Staying somewhere around 45 degrees above the low point of the travel helps to keep the fixtures from becoming blinders. If the performer is doing any kind of release moves, ask where they're looking when they do the catch...and then don't put a light there (I know, that's' kind of in the "duh" area of the equation...but I bet we've all worked with at least one designer in our pasts who wouldn't think of the performer's needs....). If the performer is doing any release moves, try to make a clear delineation in lighting levels between the floor and the overhead...it helps to judge rotation and position relative to the floor/ground. Interestingly enough, a competitive snowboarder I know said the same thing - he finds aerials easier at night with a dark sky and lit slope....it makes it easier to spot the snow and land cleanly. Colors don't seem to make much difference, but, again, symmetry is best. Moving lights (like followspots) are a huge adjustment, and pretty darned disorienting for a lot of people (I've heard skaters say the same thing - that followspots are the hardest adjustment for "performance" skating). I'd think it was a good idea to avoid it with a new performer. Above all - don't make any changes without letting the performer work in that light. Which means *not* changing levels while they're rehearsing.....wait until they're stopped, make the change, let them try it, and adjust as needed. (of course, with really experienced performers a lot of this goes out the window....but you gotta start somewhere!). Back to work! Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 PS - I'm with Bill. The ceremonies didn't blow me away the way Athens did, but they were fine. and the Ferrari absolutely cracked me up!=20 ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: excess-flow check valves in messages Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:25:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X=42 G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Don Taco Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:56 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: excess-flow check valves in messages For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" > > hQIOA+trNw4UXFdbEAgAmbXw1I9r1jzPDyCCnpMxJic7isYF2hfWcIG00s1rqBIL > 4KzJRmbKHjC4ndU/1Bh/tDcMeDSbWHYGdeznrZi3O2oGWXAdCGXuopYbPUB7MAHX > Xn0ihQlcZFxvCg6w66I+YbMFi9+fC7weUTv6TCP7vfrc23Dl5wuN/zjKRtyRpSeK > U2YA9CZSsYpjxPpcJsZlpJmiPtq0zjMZBig2E9H32wBNBgkKiEXjXZALWsrCFveq > fbfL7jJoS7LQNNO40KH3uWNZJQFYdbi+wqBO67Vb4rhG69QQ5OQvTiQQxiYyQ5Tp > J7ht4u08Fm+PyeS9L3kygHGm2+CBJLHDoXsyfaKOyggAoty2SOMvJUd0FnlnEQ5u > PnLvqpPrYc69nY2r9Op0IkH67tRZi/HFDzelF7p/B8AInN1fSMhTehlnuUWkI9Jq > ReVCy7e0GX71XBaW3SrrAZecSiJEIvFGz//VyNDTODTsFfCDgz1Lg24ACdqRsSX0 > i3n77gykJTGLlwPZ3y+fr1Ywia2xy+4wJBqcTiXrcF4UjPzcwRnaixd7F3OSFadD > IZ+224dXtAxH78Tw3a/NVkzIfDfm/eZGX/QtAZRh4hDj8P9C2zbhbAYfCVfZrHp/ > PqYeWDwwHD7ectF8IqpiiBhgtROLjB11Y1yKLCWis9lAkiZAjxsRTcdeaqvoYuSr > H9LAPwGxzf06Euf8bVO3zBrWwYizeEw/r2xN7GtirxH+bWboCD01Ioivta3Ldz0j > QUjFu6Gx77Os2wTJdNf7E7VSGHfC4lXXVeBr1OL3C9FLL4JfkRfNdBwhOygn19Gq > ka9aSHO72SpMqpvFvsChQZIjYPjulTkUcL3ulCZp7KMRyGlMAXfjJWkLTnR1QK1M > zdx4LJDby00Ce+OeLOLDo4MrcvbIaXGFPOzbjFApijLPMtzMVG/2lc8eysjSF8xP > 22Tq+nwiZxM83yFI6uLjLiMd4gj4cCNdpUy2356OWDo/ewZXT6SoHlqBYh4tAVcB > 98EH4CFd0VHGRiV5vNc2N9d9xQ== > =f8Hv Solve for X. ?? ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: gobbledygook (was: excess-flow check valves in messages) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:26:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doh! Beat me to it. OTOH, I had a professor who used to say, "when in doubt, x always equals 8.) So the answer is 8... J -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:02 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: gobbledygook (was: excess-flow check valves in messages) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Solve for X. ?? That's easy. X=42. ------------------------------ Subject: Portable Power distribution boxes Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:29:47 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038F41 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" Hi everyone. Our building was built 9 years ago with 100amp 3phase bus bars (Cutler = Hammer Busways) in the loading bay and a number of different rooms in = the complex. Each bus way/busbar has any number of 50 amp 1 phase, 50 = amp 3 phase, 100 amp 3 phase etc breakered boxes already installed. = These boxes do not have any means of getting the power out. We need more power for catering and IT conferences with all their = computers. We think it would be wonderful if we could buy a few ready = made, off the shelf, 50 amp boxes with 3 (or 9) 15 amp UG duplex boxes. = Each one would need its own breaker. We'd have electricians install a pig-tail into the breaker box, with a = 1' - 2' tail, and then 25' jumpers of the appropriate SO or SOW cord to = get the distro box out and away from the wall, to where it might be = useful. If need be, we'd mount a utility box with the right connector = on the wall instead of the pigtail. Cutler Hammer has an accessory for the 100amp bus way, which has 3 15 = amp uground mounted to the busway with their own breakers. Looks great. = Any one have any experience with these? Some preliminary research has me looking at Lex and Union Connector. = I've priced the 50 amp 3 wire twist lock plugs (+$130Cdn) which seem = really expensive. What other options do I have? Suppliers for the pre-made boxes, = different cable heads (range plug, pin and sleeve, different amperages = which would drop the price). Any thoughts, concerns, warnings? I'm not looking for suggestions for = shore power for buses (we don't get that many). NEC points are = worthwhile, but Canadian electrical code references are more helpful. Thanks very much. Enjoy the Olympics. Coming to Vancouver 2010! Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:05:21 GMT Subject: Re: Portable Power distribution boxes Message-Id: <20060212.150609.10965.82699 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> I have found that 3phase, 5wire 30amp twistlock male and female plugs/ja= cks/outlets/etc on the ends of #10/5 S or SO cable seem to be one of the= most cost-effective ways of moving catering and IP power around. The br= eakout box should of course contain six 15 amp breakers to handle the si= x U-Ground receptacles specified. Watch the length of the cable if you e= xpect one technician to be able to carry the cable. /s/ Richard Hi everyone. Our building was built 9 years ago with 100amp 3phase bus bars (Cutler H= ammer Busways) in the loading bay and a number of different rooms in the= complex. Each bus way/busbar has any number of 50 amp 1 phase, 50 amp = 3 phase, 100 amp 3 phase etc breakered boxes already installed. These b= oxes do not have any means of getting the power out. We need more power for catering and IT conferences with all their comput= ers. We think it would be wonderful if we could buy a few ready made, o= ff the shelf, 50 amp boxes with 3 (or 9) 15 amp UG duplex boxes. Each o= ne would need its own breaker. We'd have electricians install a pig-tail into the breaker box, with a 1= ' - 2' tail, and then 25' jumpers of the appropriate SO or SOW cord to g= et the distro box out and away from the wall, to where it might be usefu= l. If need be, we'd mount a utility box with the right connector on the= wall instead of the pigtail. Cutler Hammer has an accessory for the 100amp bus way, which has 3 15 am= p uground mounted to the busway with their own breakers. Looks great. = Any one have any experience with these? Any thoughts, concerns, warnings? I'm not looking for suggestions for s= hore power for buses (we don't get that many). NEC points are worthwhil= e, but Canadian electrical code references are more helpful. Andrew M. Riter ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43EFBDC4.408 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:59:16 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Portable Power distribution boxes References: In-Reply-To: Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone. > > Our building was built 9 years ago with 100amp 3phase bus bars (Cutler Hammer Busways) in the loading bay and a number of different rooms in the complex. Each bus way/busbar has any number of 50 amp 1 phase, 50 amp 3 phase, 100 amp 3 phase etc breakered boxes already installed. These boxes do not have any means of getting the power out. > > We need more power for catering and IT conferences with all their computers. We think it would be wonderful if we could buy a few ready made, off the shelf, 50 amp boxes with 3 (or 9) 15 amp UG duplex boxes. Each one would need its own breaker. > > We'd have electricians install a pig-tail into the breaker box, with a 1' - 2' tail, and then 25' jumpers of the appropriate SO or SOW cord to get the distro box out and away from the wall, to where it might be useful. If need be, we'd mount a utility box with the right connector on the wall instead of the pigtail. > > Cutler Hammer has an accessory for the 100amp bus way, which has 3 15 amp uground mounted to the busway with their own breakers. Looks great. Any one have any experience with these? > > Some preliminary research has me looking at Lex and Union Connector. I've priced the 50 amp 3 wire twist lock plugs (+$130Cdn) which seem really expensive. > > What other options do I have? Suppliers for the pre-made boxes, different cable heads (range plug, pin and sleeve, different amperages which would drop the price). > > Any thoughts, concerns, warnings? I'm not looking for suggestions for shore power for buses (we don't get that many). NEC points are worthwhile, but Canadian electrical code references are more helpful. > > > Thanks very much. Enjoy the Olympics. Coming to Vancouver 2010! > > You just named my two favorite suppliers. The Lex rubber box stuff is weatherproof if that is an issue. Mr. Wolpert of Union COnnector is on the mailing list. As for the connections to the busbars, you pretty much are stuck with matching the brand that is already there. As for cost of the connectors, that's what they cost. Stupidly expensive. --Dale ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: ETC Virtual Facepanel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:25:52 -0500 Are you talking about Emphasis? - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:45:47 -0500 From: Stephen LItterst Subject: Re: ETC Virtual Facepanel In-reply-to: Message-id: <43EFD6BB.7040204 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

Michael de Almeida wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Are you talking about Emphasis? > Actually I'm talking about Obsession. I believe the virtual facepanel works for Emphasis or Obsession II as long as it's on an ETCNet2 network. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:40:28 -0800 Subject: Re: indoor pond Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43EF730C.16891.114320EF [at] localhost> In-reply-to: References: Shawn did the master class (which partially benefited the LRLRs) yesterday and it was great. The pressure of a column of water is directly proportional to the depth that you are measuring it at. This increases at 0.43 PSI per foot. A pool side that has a stiff rim at the top is basically a standard loading formula for a simple beam with the load increasing uniformly to one end (#2 in my steel construction manual). The maximum deflection is shown at 0.5193 of the distance from the unloaded end. The maximum moment is at 0.5774 of the distance from the unloaded end. This could account the "about 2/3" number that was given. But where the pool wall bends the most is not necessarily where the most force is. Jon > Didn't Shawn Nolan (civil engineer--Entertainment Structures Group) > do a calculation about this a year or two ago when the list was > talking "Metamorphosis" Shawn was supposed to be holding an > engineering master class at Cal State Fullerton this weekend so he's > likely busy...maybe somebody saved that e mail? Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43EFE70E.8050806 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:55:26 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: indoor pond References:

In-Reply-To: Jon Lagerquist wrote: > end. This could account the "about 2/3" number that was given. But > where the pool wall bends the most is not necessarily where the most > force is. It would make sense that that is where the most *stress* is on the wall - maybe someone confused "most pressure" and "most stress"? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004601c63046$b24fdc60$0502a8c0 [at] HP> Reply-To: "Chip" From: "Chip" References:

Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:39:20 -0700 If that is all it raised, I don't think I will look for it on my bookstore shelves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schreiner" Though the Canadian women's curling team did put out--I mean, publish--a nude calendar this past year IIRC to raise funds and supporters. Haven't seen it, though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:46:47 -0500 From: Stephen LItterst Subject: Halation in profile spots Message-id: <43EFF317.7090305 [at] ithaca.edu> Since I haven't kicked up enough of a ruckus lately, I figured I'd toss another question out there. Halation in an ERS. Those stray beams of light that make getting a sharp focus on templates problematic and keep us from getting perfect shutter cuts. This is a result of the rays of light that are transmitting directly from the lamp to the lens, bypassing the ellipsoidal reflector? Or is there a different cause? Steve Litterst Troublemaker slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004401c63052$1f6b3910$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Halation in profile Yes Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:01:09 -0700 Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen LItterst" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Halation in profile spots > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Since I haven't kicked up enough of a ruckus lately, I figured I'd toss > another question out there. > > Halation in an ERS. Those stray beams of light that make getting a > sharp focus on templates problematic and keep us from getting perfect > shutter cuts. > > This is a result of the rays of light that are transmitting directly > from the lamp to the lens, bypassing the ellipsoidal reflector? Or is > there a different cause? > > Steve Litterst > Troublemaker > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: If your bored Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:47:38 +0000 try this out http://www.winterrowd.com/maze.swf Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ From: "The Elliott Family" Subject: RE: If your bored Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:45:40 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c63060$b958dc40$0200a8c0 [at] cornbread> In-Reply-To: Thanks, Moe. I think my cats just had a collective heart attack. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Eliminate annoying spam! 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For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:53:37 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: If your bored In-reply-to: Message-id: <43F01EE1.6000703 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Maurice Moe Conn wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > try this out > > http://www.winterrowd.com/maze.swf > You are a bad, BAD man. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:06:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Transparent Aluminum From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh good! Can we save the whales now? On 2/12/06 1:15 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Scotty's famous material is here... > >> METALLIC GLASS MYSTERY -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:14:18 +0000 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games >...... Back in the days of four-lens turrets, and huge cameras with enormous >cables you were forced to plan better, from the director >onwards....it was a two-man lift to get one onto its mounting...... >Given their huge mass, camera shake was not a problem, >Frank Wood I remember a marconi Mk 4 being dropped down a concrete staircase. It still worked after minor repair. Dorian Illuminati Creative Technology 3 Gladstone Road Colchester UK CO1 2EB ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #690 *****************************