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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27822648; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:01:07 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #698 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:00:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #698 1. Re: dimmer and dmx question by LITETROL [at] aol.com 2. unsubscribe by "Scott Nichols" 3. Re: dimmer and dmx question by "G. D. George" 4. Re: Building oversized books for "Seussical" the musical by "Jonathan Wills" 5. Cheap-o fog? by Pat Kight 6. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "G. D. George" 7. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Stephen E. Rees" 8. building big books by b Ricie 9. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Dorian Kelly 10. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Pat Kight 11. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Stephen Litterst 12. Work Load by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 13. Hanging Chior Mics by Mark Harvey 14. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 15. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Steve Larson 16. Re: Work Load by "Matthew Breton" 17. Re: Hanging Chior Mics by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 18. Re: Work Load by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 19. Altman Spots by "Brian Ridolfo" 20. New E-mail Address by "Matthew Jordan" 21. Re: If your bored by "Tony Deeming" 22. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Pat Kight 23. NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by Jason Romney 24. Video Clips by "Norm Wigton" 25. Cheap-o fog? by "Matthew Jordan" 26. Hi-Fi Audiophiles by "Alf Sauve" 27. Falling Flowers by "Barnes, Zarin" 28. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by Steve Shelley 29. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by "David Stock" 30. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by Brian James 31. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 32. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Bruce Cooper 33. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Don Taco" 34. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Jon Ares" 35. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by "Bill Nelson" 36. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: dimmer and dmx question by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LITETROL [at] aol.com Message-ID: <257.6b78f70.312b0dd0 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:19:28 EST Subject: Re: dimmer and dmx question In a message dated 2/20/2006 1:51:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: We had to turn off the power, turn off the console, wait a few seconds, turn the console back on first and only after that turn on the power for the dimmers, in order for the system to behave. Judy, what kind of dimmers are in the venue? There are the rare brand(s) of dimmer packs which have a programming choice to set them to turn "on" when powered up with no valid DMX. It may be that sort of an issue. Let us know what type is in question, so we can offer more insights...... s. steve [at] lite-trol.com 800 548 3876 (LITETRO) 516 681 7288 Fax Lite-Trol Service Co., Inc. 485 West John Street Hicksville NY 11801 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00fd01c6361a$320b2a80$0702a8c0 [at] compaqsn> From: "Scott Nichols" References: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:35:53 -0500 ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: dimmer and dmx question Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:59:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Depending upon the type of dimmer, they may be set to power on automagically if the DMX signal is lost or not available. Really can't say more without knowing the manufacturer, though. Jerry G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: dimmer and dmx question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Something happened yesterday which I've come across before, but I wish I knew why it happens: We were setting up a big show, and a couple of times there was a faulty instrument that tripped the fuse and so all the dimmers in that box lost power. When we turned the power back on, all the dimmers in that box worked without instructions from the console (that is, all the lights came on full). We had to turn off the power, turn off the console, wait a few seconds, turn the console back on first and only after that turn on the power for the dimmers, in order for the system to behave. I think each time it happened with different dimmers and wasn't specific to any one unit. I thought it might be because there is no terminator at the end of the DMX line, but I don't really know, and I would like to understand exactly why this happens. It seems odd to me because after all the console was on all the time at first; why should I have to turn it off and then turn it back on for things to work right? I'd be surprised if nobody on this list could explain, so please help. Thanks Judy ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:43:16 -0500 From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Re: Building oversized books for "Seussical" the musical In-Reply-To: References:

Another option if the book does not need to open is make it out of foam, then take to a spray on bed liner place and have them spray it. I have a company in town that makes entire sets for churches childrens programs and they use the spray on hardener. The hardener they use is the same as the bedline places. Have my truck lined up to get sprayed in the near future. Once the foam is treated you can pretty much do anything you want to it and it will hold up. here is the compnaies website www.dreambigstudios.com click on portfolio and it has some of the pictures of what they have done. Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting & Stage www.WillsLighting.com Toll Free: 866-909-4557 Local: 423-559-0606 Fax: 423-559-0071 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43F9D5F3.3060606 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:45:07 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Cheap-o fog? Our theater's fogger died a few years ago, and budget considerations have kept us from replacing it. We've borrowed/rented various chemical/dry ice foggers since then when we've needed "big" fog effects, with mixed results. I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single "exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in conjunction with explosion sounds. Buying - or even renting - a fogger is probably right out; with an elaborate set and 1920s costumes, we're already pushing our production budget. I'm wondering whether any of the DJ/Halloween smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this stuff: http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) might work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using it to create a burst-of-steam effect? -- Pat Kight Albany (Oregon) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Cheap-o fog? Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:11:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Pat, I needed a bunch of fog on stage all at once (through a load-in door all the way US) at the top of the second act of _Tooth of Crime_ several years ago. My solution was to start the fogger behind a closed load-in door several minutes before the fog was needed and let it run. Once the act started it was a matter of running up a set of PAR cans (blinders) focused at the audience, opening the door, and using a couple of stagehands (behind the lights) to fan the fog onstage with large (d-size, 24"x36") pieces of foam core. This should work with a cheap fogger. In my experience, they tend to cool down more quickly than the good ones, and thus produce less fog, so you'd have to experiment with timing. Jerry G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Pat Kight Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:45 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Cheap-o fog? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Our theater's fogger died a few years ago, and budget considerations have kept us from replacing it. We've borrowed/rented various chemical/dry ice foggers since then when we've needed "big" fog effects, with mixed results. I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single "exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in conjunction with explosion sounds. Buying - or even renting - a fogger is probably right out; with an elaborate set and 1920s costumes, we're already pushing our production budget. I'm wondering whether any of the DJ/Halloween smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this stuff: http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) might work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using it to create a burst-of-steam effect? -- Pat Kight Albany (Oregon) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43F9DF9B.3060400 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:26:19 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? References: Pat, Maybe you could devise a enclosed "stuffer box" that you could run fog or dry ice into with an in-line muffin fan and then release through another large vent at the appropriate moment. Size of box and length of time to compress the fog will vary. HTH, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060220154318.672.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: building big books In-Reply-To: I have luck with muslin covered luan for the cover and spline, inside made out pink or blue foam, edges textured to look like pages, and painted as you wish. If the raw foam edges give you trouble cover them with muslin after you shape them the way you want. Fairly light weight and durable enough to stand on. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:01:39 +0000 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? > >I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single >"exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a >brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in >conjunction with explosion sounds... I'm wondering whether any of >the DJ/Halloween smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this >stuff: http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) >might work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works >reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using >it to create a burst-of-steam effect? > >-- Pat Kight The aerosol foggers you mention are a bit weak for this kind of work. Theres nothing better than a CO2 fire extingusher for a blast of steam. The noise it makes is great too. It 'jets' rather than billows tho. Dorian Illuminati Creative Technology ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43F9F52D.2080405 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:58:21 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? References:

In-Reply-To: Dorian Kelly wrote: >> I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single >> "exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a >> brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in conjunction >> with explosion sounds... I'm wondering whether any of the DJ/Halloween >> smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this stuff: >> http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) might >> work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works >> reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using it >> to create a burst-of-steam effect? >> >> -- > > Pat Kight > > The aerosol foggers you mention are a bit weak for this kind of work. > Theres nothing better than a CO2 fire extingusher for a blast of steam. > The noise it makes is great too. It 'jets' rather than billows tho. Oh, now that's a thought. And the company that services our fire extinguishers might even be willing to provide a loaner. Thanks! (Thanks also to others who've suggested dry ice or chemical foggers, but honestly, those aren't an option for this show. As noted, our theater no longer owns one, and we're not in a position to rent one, budget-wise. Around here, when we talk "tight budget," it means "Let's not spend more than 10 bucks on anything we haven't already planned for.") -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:07:21 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? In-reply-to: Message-id: <43F9F749.7000405 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

Pat Kight wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dorian Kelly wrote: > >>> I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single >>> "exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a >>> brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in conjunction >>> with explosion sounds... I'm wondering whether any of the >>> DJ/Halloween smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this stuff: >>> http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) might >>> work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works >>> reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using >>> it to create a burst-of-steam effect? >>> >>> -- >> >> Pat Kight >> >> The aerosol foggers you mention are a bit weak for this kind of work. >> Theres nothing better than a CO2 fire extingusher for a blast of >> steam. The noise it makes is great too. It 'jets' rather than billows >> tho. > > Oh, now that's a thought. And the company that services our fire > extinguishers might even be willing to provide a loaner. If they have any waiting to be recharged they might be willing to let you discharge them first. We did a show with a CO2 effect a few years back and the campus fire marshal let us raid his storeroom of extinguishers waiting to be sent off. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: Work Load Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:10:41 -0600 Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone on the list would be willing to share with me the typical number of hours they work in the three weeks prior to opening a production. I am hoping to raise my administrations awareness of the time and personnel commitment necessary to successfully mount a production. I'm specifically interested in TD's (especially those with first in/last our responsibilities), but I welcome the input of anyone. Where possible please include whether or not you are an educational institution, and how many individuals are paid as crew and/or designers on your 'average' show. This should lend a great deal more credibility to my cause. Please respond off list unless you feel this conversation is pertinent to the masses. Thanks in advance! Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:11:07 -0600 From: Mark Harvey Subject: Hanging Chior Mics Message-ID: <155D9086DEEE6380CFE62077 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: References: I'm looking at purchasing a pair of choir mikes to use overhead for musical theatre productions to help reinforce the voices of the chorus. FullCompass lists the following types of choir mics and I was wondering if anyone could endorse one manufacturer over another. Audi-Technical ProPoint Audio-Technica UniPoint Crown CM 31 EV RE90H Shure EasyFlex Shure MicroFlex ____________________________________ Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design Department of Theatre University of Minnesota Duluth www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:26:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Pat, I can't speak to the smoke-in-a-can fog. That being said, we bought a $20.00 fog machine back at Halloween from the local big-box. This thing, while we know is totally a disposable item has worked beautifully. It's no threat to any of the "real" fog machines out there but it has shot some awesome affects for us and we haven't even used all the fluid that came with it. I did two minutes on ebay and it looks like you probably could get a comparable unit to your door for around 15 or 20 bucks. I'd loan you mine but I think I'm a bit far away. Good luck! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:36:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I just used one of those types for a production. It worked great. We paired it together with a large fan and some Little Blizzard snow. Great effect. The noise from the machines was masked with sound effects. Nothing neater than a blizzard that goes totally away with the push of a button. Steve > From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:26:11 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Pat, > > I can't speak to the smoke-in-a-can fog. That being said, we bought a $20.00 > fog machine back at Halloween from the local big-box. This thing, while we > know is totally a disposable item has worked beautifully. It's no threat to > any of the "real" fog machines out there but it has shot some awesome > affects for us and we haven't even used all the fluid that came with it. I > did two minutes on ebay and it looks like you probably could get a > comparable unit to your door for around 15 or 20 bucks. I'd loan you mine > but I think I'm a bit far away. > > Good luck! > > -- > Curtis L. Mortimore > Technical Director > Ball State University > Department of Theatre and Dance > Muncie, IN 47306 > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Work Load Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:37:34 -0500 >I was wondering if anyone on the list would be willing to share with me the >typical number of hours they work in the three weeks prior to opening a >production. A lot of this depends on the availability of crew, and prep time before-hand: if I receive set plans a week and a half before the show opens, I can guarantee I'll be building in the space, which is a lot more time-consuming and nerve-wracking than if I receive set designs three or five weeks before opening. The size and style of the show also changes many things: one wall and rehearsal blocks is a lot easier than multiple scene changes, flying set pieces, and so on. Probably the best thing to do is document all the work-hours that occur during your actual load-ins. Especially take care to note the time staff members are paid -- everyone who's paid on a stipend, salary, or lump-sum basis (in other words, anyone who's not paid hourly). I worked on production of "Grease" where I logged _one hundred and sixty hours_ over two weeks (sixty hours before load-in, and one hundred hours tech week alone). The response I received from management was that, hey, everyone here works sixty-hour work weeks, and that's what's expected of the TD. Needless to say, I don't work at that theater anymore. When a show is under control, it'd be three forty-hour work weeks -- simple as that. Matthew Breton Technical Director Cambridge Family YMCA Theater (617) 447-5261 (cell) www.cambymca.org _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Hanging Chior Mics Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:38:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Of those on the list, I'm familiar with the Crown. I've seen them get smacked around by lots of scenery and keep on going. I have worked with one unit that had an led on it (don't remember the brand). I'm not sure I ever noticed it light up, but there is potential for distraction there. Sonically most of the mics in the Full Compass catalog need a fair amount of EQ to get right. Most 'feature' a boost in the high frequencies. There is a company called Earthworks which I have heard wonderful things about, and their spec sheets look good. They don't make a hanging mic, but some people hang their Flex Mics. I'm currently considering this option. I'm sure others will have more insight. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark Harvey Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:11 PM I'm looking at purchasing a pair of choir mikes... Audi-Technical ProPoint Audio-Technica UniPoint Crown CM 31 EV RE90H Shure EasyFlex Shure MicroFlex ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Work Load Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:48:00 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed that if all things go as planned and designs and materials arrive in a timely manner, the process of building and installing a show should easily be manageable in a series of 40 hour weeks. Does this estimation factor in rehearsal time? Also, are you responsible for areas other than scenery? I have observed that depending on your venue, TD's are usually on the hook for everything, or just responsible for the scenic world. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax << When a show is under control, it'd be three forty-hour work weeks -- simple as that. Matthew Breton>> ------------------------------ From: "Brian Ridolfo" Subject: Altman Spots Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:27:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c6365c$13d86e00$1401a8c0 [at] oldschoolsquare.local> In-Reply-To: I just got a new pair of Altman Satellite-1's. Does anybody have any experience with these? My new spots arrived from the factory with a broken dimmer in one and a broken color boomerang in the other. During the 3rd show in which they were used the chopper (also the only way to get a full blackout) ceased half way open in the one that originally had a broken dimmer, and the dimmer mechanism fell apart in the closed position (which luckily lets a remarkable amount of light through) in the one with that originally had the broken color boom. There is no hinged cover on these babies so in order to fix these issues you have to take the cover off. This is easy enough to do, however to get it back on you a need a four hands, a sledge hammer, and if you have one handy, a blowtorch. So now for the question...can you please give me your opinions on the best short throw spots? The spot booth is 25' form the apron with an elevation of about 15'. Power is 20A 110v. Thank you. Brian Ridolfo Technical Director Old School Square Cultural Arts Center ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:18:04 -0500 From: "Matthew Jordan" Subject: New E-mail Address In-Reply-To: References: Hey Chris, Guess who? We were at ISU at the same time. In fact, I was the room-mate that was never there. Good to see you around (so to speak.) Anyways, two things to watch out for with Gmail; 1) The 72 characters maximum per line, 2) be sure to hit the plain text option directly above the message text before you send (easy to miss.) peace, Matthew D. Jordan www.tmproject.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: If your bored Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:31:34 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sod the cats!!!! My pulse is racing rather a little!!!!!!! Grrrrr > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of The > Elliott Family > Sent: 13 February 2006 05:46 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: If your bored > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks, Moe. I think my cats just had a collective heart attack. > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FA4CFC.6030309 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:13:00 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? References: In-Reply-To: Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > I can't speak to the smoke-in-a-can fog. That being said, we bought a $20.00 > fog machine back at Halloween from the local big-box. This thing, while we > know is totally a disposable item has worked beautifully. It's no threat to > any of the "real" fog machines out there but it has shot some awesome > affects for us and we haven't even used all the fluid that came with it. I > did two minutes on ebay and it looks like you probably could get a > comparable unit to your door for around 15 or 20 bucks. I'd loan you mine > but I think I'm a bit far away. Thanks, Curtis. That's worth checking out. Although I admit to being enamored of the fire extinguisher idea (probably because I get a kick out of discharging fire extinguishers. What can I say? I'm a big kid at heart...) -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <8FE50E4F-ABE9-4256-885F-A01CA4FB15A1 [at] cd-romney.com> From: Jason Romney Subject: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:43:04 -0500 Hi everyone, North Carolina School of the Arts - School of Design and Production is offering the Digital Theatre Sound Design Workshop again this summer. Last year was very successful and we're also adding two new workshops this year: Theatrical Rigging and AutoCAD for Theatre. We had several people from the stagecraft list join us last time and we hope to see more of you join us this year! Visit the website for more information: www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation Thanks, _______________________________________________________ Jason Romney Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission jason [at] cd-romney.com romneyj [at] ncarts.edu http://www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation http://www.cd-romney.com ------------------------------ Subject: Video Clips Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:19 -0700 Message-ID: <5E471E1615F9B04DAD6D48FD0BC09C48021FE74F [at] email.centralaz.cac> From: "Norm Wigton" I am looking for source's) of video clips suitable for the running scenes for the play "The Boxcar Children". The kids run in place in front of rear projected rural roads, woods, landscapes, etc. to denote motion. Any suggestions? Offline replies OK. Thanks. =20 Norm Wigton Technical Manager/Designer Pence Center for the Performing and Visual Arts Central Arizona College (520) 494-5432(Voice) (520) 494-5435(Fax) ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:12:52 -0500 From: "Matthew Jordan" Subject: Cheap-o fog? In-Reply-To: References:

>>It 'jets' rather than billows tho. Not if you shoot it through some sort of baffle or louvre. -- Matthew D. Jordan www.tmproject.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013601c63694$33f323f0$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" Subject: Hi-Fi Audiophiles Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:09:13 -0500 Here's the latest to separate audiophiles from their wallets. I'm sure all theatres can find room in their budget for $50 a piece Edison connectors. http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/acproducts.htm Gotta love it. I bet this could be marketed to lighting designers as well. "Blues will be bluer and reds redder....." Why oh why did I ever leave corporate marketing when there are so many......opportunities out there. Oh yeah, I remember, I refused to be involved with useless products. Alf Storyteller ------------------------------ Subject: Falling Flowers Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:27:52 -0500 Message-ID: <31EE0CECF7F34742B2F15C51340F8F4801C74778 [at] joshua.huntington.edu> From: "Barnes, Zarin" I am a student from Huntington University designing a show that requires = that I have flowers fall from a tree periodically through out the run. I = am designing in a 14'-0" tall studio space, and I need to be able to = control the release of the flowers. Any suggestions would be = appreciated. =20 Thanks, Zarin Barnes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:37:52 -0500 Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I see. Congrats to the program and my alma mater. No vectorworks for theatre? Seems somewhat shortsighted considering the current professional drafting scene. On 2/20/06 8:43 PM, "Jason Romney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone, > > North Carolina School of the Arts - School of Design and Production > is offering the Digital Theatre Sound Design Workshop again this > summer. Last year was very successful and we're also adding two new > workshops this year: Theatrical Rigging and AutoCAD for Theatre. We > had several people from the stagecraft list join us last time and we > hope to see more of you join us this year! > > Visit the website for more information: > > www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation > > Thanks, > > > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Romney > Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts > Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission > jason [at] cd-romney.com > romneyj [at] ncarts.edu > http://www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation > http://www.cd-romney.com > -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "David Stock" Subject: RE: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:04:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: AAAAADQADevc/f1MkMKro7AzA4SEUyAA AUTOCAD RULES! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve Shelley Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I see. Congrats to the program and my alma mater. No vectorworks for theatre? Seems somewhat shortsighted considering the current professional drafting scene. On 2/20/06 8:43 PM, "Jason Romney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone, > > North Carolina School of the Arts - School of Design and Production > is offering the Digital Theatre Sound Design Workshop again this > summer. Last year was very successful and we're also adding two new > workshops this year: Theatrical Rigging and AutoCAD for Theatre. We > had several people from the stagecraft list join us last time and we > hope to see more of you join us this year! > > Visit the website for more information: > > www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation > > Thanks, > > > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Romney > Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts > Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission > jason [at] cd-romney.com > romneyj [at] ncarts.edu > http://www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation > http://www.cd-romney.com > -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FA9452.4080906 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:17:22 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles References: In-Reply-To: Darn, and I thought changing all of my speaker cables to the $100/ft special cables and my knobs on my soundboards to wood should be all I needed for perfect sound....... Alf Sauve wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here's the latest to separate audiophiles from their wallets. I'm > sure all theatres can find room in their budget for $50 a piece Edison > connectors. > > http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/acproducts.htm > > Gotta love it. I bet this could be marketed to lighting designers as > well. "Blues will be bluer and reds redder....." Why oh why did I > ever leave corporate marketing when there are so > many......opportunities out there. Oh yeah, I remember, I refused to > be involved with useless products. > > Alf > Storyteller > > -- Brian James Everyone has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19734607.1140499185370.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:19:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Umm, I believe the proper terminology these days is "AUTOCAD F-IN ROCKS!!!" (To use the parlance of our times...) ; ) "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- > >AUTOCAD RULES! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1140499471.43faa40f242c4 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:24:31 -0600 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? References:

In-Reply-To: Just a thought. See if you can get hold of a couple or more old, won't be used again steam irons. Set them about mid range [may require experimenting]. Fill with forg juice. Allow to heat. For a brief, high density burst, there's nothing like a couple of these set to 'high steam' and turned to face down in front of a suitable fan. And it's cheap. Depending on length of run, you may have to shoot de-ionized water through them to clean your new 'foggers'. Take it for what you will. Thought it might help. :Bruce Cooper -- LED Worklight Systems 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com Quoting Dorian Kelly : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > >I'm working a show now ("Enchanted April") that calls for a single > >"exploding bathtub boiler" effect. The director would like to see a > >brief cloud of "steam" billowing from an upstage door, in > >conjunction with explosion sounds... I'm wondering whether any of > >the DJ/Halloween smoke-in-a-can products (as, for instance, this > >stuff: http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=hazers ) > >might work for this kind of effect. It sounds as if the stuff works > >reasonably well to create a hazy atmosphere; has anyone tried using > >it to create a burst-of-steam effect? > > > >-- > Pat Kight > > The aerosol foggers you mention are a bit weak for this kind of work. > Theres nothing better than a CO2 fire extingusher for a blast of > steam. The noise it makes is great too. It 'jets' rather than billows > tho. > > Dorian > > Illuminati Creative Technology > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02c601c636aa$eb2c5850$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:51:53 -0800 > Just a thought. See if you can get hold of a couple or more old, won't be > used again steam irons. Set them about mid range [may require > experimenting]. > Fill with forg juice. Allow to heat. > :Bruce Cooper Why do I suddenly picture sad, cringing manufacturers and happy, gleaming lawyers? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c636af$a9a07600$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:25:51 -0800 >> Fill with forg juice. Allow to heat. Where does one get forg juice? And would I get assimilated? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1068.208.51.52.26.1140506844.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:27:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles From: "Bill Nelson" > Here's the latest to separate audiophiles from their wallets. I'm sure > all theatres can find room in their budget for $50 a piece Edison > connectors. Yep. There is no end to the idiocy of the "golden eared" crowd. Funny how all of them refuse blind testing of their prize components. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1137.208.51.52.26.1140511825.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:50:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? From: "Bill Nelson" I think ACT has plenty of fog juice. The problem is that the cloud persistence is far too long. The same problem exists with hazers. I like the CO2 idea. It would not be difficult to build a manifold that would help disperse the cloud formed. The only problems I see is that the cloud might settle to the deck, and much of the output would be solid CO2. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1190.208.51.52.26.1140513233.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:13:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: dimmer and dmx question From: "Bill Nelson" > Something happened yesterday which I've come across before, but I wish I > knew why it happens: We were setting up a big show, and a couple of > times there was a faulty instrument that tripped the fuse and so all the > dimmers in that box lost power. Wow. All the dimmers in the box are on one fuse? Or were you pushing the mains power so closely that the shorted instrument took out the mains breaker? > When we turned the power back on, all > the dimmers in that box worked without instructions from the console > (that is, all the lights came on full). We had to turn off the power, > turn off the console, wait a few seconds, turn the console back on first > and only after that turn on the power for the dimmers, in order for the > system to behave. I have seen this happen when there is a converter box, such as DMX to Analog in line before the dimmer pack. The combination that I encountered was a DMX to Microplex box that fed a DMX-16 Demux. I think it was the DMX/Microplex box that was the problem, but don't recall for sure. Do you have a protocol converter in your dimmer box? Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #698 *****************************