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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 27888946; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:01:06 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #700 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:00:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #700 1. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by gregg hillmar 2. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 3. Re: video switching by Andy Ciddor 4. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups by Dale Farmer 5. Re: video switching by Bruce Purdy 6. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups by Steve Larson 7. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups by Bruce Purdy 8. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups by "Paul Schreiner" 10. circuit breaker by Judy 11. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by Stephen Litterst 12. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre by Jerry Durand 13. Re: circuit breaker by "Nigel Worsley" 14. Re: circuit breaker by Stephen Litterst 15. carp work on Long Island by "Lynn Wheat" 16. Re: circuit breaker by Dale Farmer 17. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by CB 18. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by CB 19. Re: video switching by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by CB 21. Drill bit sharpening by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: Drill bit sharpening by LITETROL [at] aol.com 23. Re: circuit breaker by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: Cheap-o fog? by CB 25. Re: circuit breaker by "Paul Schreiner" 26. Re: circuit breaker by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Drill bit sharpening by "Frank E. Merrill" 28. Re: circuit breaker by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Strange Question by "Maurice Moe Conn" 30. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: circuit breaker by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: Strange Question by "Tony Deeming" 33. Wireless Dimmers by wyn 34. Re: Wireless Dimmers by John McKernon 35. Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 36. Re: Drill bit sharpening by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 37. Re: Cheap-o fog? by Dan Mills 38. Major Corporation (brand name) by Nancy Moeur 39. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 41. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by Stephen Litterst 42. Re: circuit breaker by Jerry Durand 43. Re: Wireless Dimmers by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 44. Re: Strange Question by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 45. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by "Frank E. Merrill" 46. Re: Drill bit sharpening by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 47. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by "Thomas Schraeder" 48. Re: circuit breaker by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 49. Re: Major Corporation (brand name) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 50. How to drop a drop box. by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 51. Re: How to drop a drop box. by "David Sword" 52. Re: How to drop a drop box. by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 53. Re: Cheap-o fog? by "Nathan Kahn" 54. Re: How to drop a drop box. by Brian James 55. Re: circuit breaker by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8F5EF47E-04EB-4A07-B857-F4E20A7975E8 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:51:37 -0500 On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:04 PM, David Stock wrote: > > AUTOCAD RULES! sigh. next we'll get the Windows vs Mac discussion, right? g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve > Shelley > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:38 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I see. Congrats to the program and my alma mater. > > No vectorworks for theatre? Seems somewhat shortsighted considering > the > current professional drafting scene. > > On 2/20/06 8:43 PM, "Jason Romney" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> North Carolina School of the Arts - School of Design and Production >> is offering the Digital Theatre Sound Design Workshop again this >> summer. Last year was very successful and we're also adding two new >> workshops this year: Theatrical Rigging and AutoCAD for Theatre. We >> had several people from the stagecraft list join us last time and we >> hope to see more of you join us this year! >> >> Visit the website for more information: >> >> www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Jason Romney >> Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts >> Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission >> jason [at] cd-romney.com >> romneyj [at] ncarts.edu >> http://www.ncarts.edu/continuingeducation >> http://www.cd-romney.com >> > > -- > Steve Shelley > (212) 865-2969 home > (917) 334-7625 cell > (212) 749-9117 fax > MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net > www.fieldtemplate.com > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c637a6$6a3bca80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > AUTOCAD RULES! >=20 >=20 > sigh. >=20 > next we'll get the Windows vs Mac discussion, right? ...And those of us who use VisualCADD and the folks who use Linux will = watch both discussions with wry amusement. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20060222233101.03ce4ed8 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:37:34 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: video switching In-Reply-To: References:

At 20:40 22.02.2006, Bill Nelson wrote: >To get seamless switching, you need a sync source and all the >equipment must accept external sync. Without that, you will get tearing, >frame rolling etc when switching between sources. Whilst once true, that is no longer the case. A switcher with a frame store on each input can read in the video asynchronously then read it out in perfect sync. The unit I was playing with today can also change both the frame rate and resolution as well as the colour encoding, to fit to a predetermined output format. Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FC5B2F.6050202 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:38:07 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Tech riders for small touring groups References: In-Reply-To: Michael Millar wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone have a few tech riders for small theatrical touring groups > they could share? I've been appointed to help a group who's new at > touring format their rider so the venue isn't surprised by too much. > Also, this group seems to want to remain dependent on the presenter > providing props and furniture, instead of travelling with them. > How common is this? I think it rather odd, personally. As it is, I'm > trying to get them to travel with a sound op and hire a psm who can at > least handle a light board. > > Thanks, > Michael Millar > > > > It varies all over the map. If the furniture & props called for are fairly easily available. i.e. Two bar stools, a small cocktail table, and one rose in a vase. Then depending on the venue to have the stuff is reasonable. Putting on the rider that you need two Louis XIV side chairs and matching side table with red brocade is ridiculous to expect from a venue. There are a bunch of riders on the www.thesmokinggun.com web site. They are pretty over the top, but they give you a flavor of what they look like. One way to sanity check things is to make up two versions. One being the absolute minimum you need, and the other is the gold-plated royal treatment you would love to get. This exercise helps you categorize your rider into needs, wants, and nice-to-haves. Then take the result and look at it with the eyes of a local TD who finally gets the rider 24 hours in advance of showtime. If you are a big draw act, then you can get away with more. I read about one manager who wrote in a requirement for oddball stuff, such as M&Ms with all the brown ones removed, as a check to see if the venue folks actually read and followed the rider. Once you are a big enough draw, you can get away with such things. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:52:12 -0500 Subject: Re: video switching From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> Our high school frequently uses video projection in theatrical >> productions - often with multiple sources (laptop, DVD, live cameras). Are >> there simple/inexpensive (not a production switcher) gizmos that people >> have used to allow seamless switching between multiple video sources into >> one projector? Using the remote control to switch projector inputs is not >> a viable option. > > Nope. To get seamless switching, you need a sync source and all the > equipment must accept external sync. Without that, you will get tearing, > frame rolling etc when switching between sources. > Can't speak to the cameras, but if you have a modern laptop that has a DVD drive, can you switch between DVD and say, Powerpoint, on the computer? Not my area of expertise, but there might be a way to run the camera feed through the computer as well. This way, you don't need an external "Signal switcher" as all signal comes from the laptop and you use that to switch the image source. Again, it's a brainstorming "Outside the box" idea that might not work, but is worth looking at. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:29:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Tech riders for small touring groups From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: One thing about groups with outrageous riders-- You don't have to hire them. Unless--- you hired them and didn't read the rider in advance of signing. Then----no sympathy. Steve > From: Dale Farmer > Organization: I'm working on that.... > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:38:07 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Tech riders for small touring groups > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Millar wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Does anyone have a few tech riders for small theatrical touring groups >> they could share? I've been appointed to help a group who's new at >> touring format their rider so the venue isn't surprised by too much. >> Also, this group seems to want to remain dependent on the presenter >> providing props and furniture, instead of travelling with them. >> How common is this? I think it rather odd, personally. As it is, I'm >> trying to get them to travel with a sound op and hire a psm who can at >> least handle a light board. >> >> Thanks, >> Michael Millar >> >> >> >> > It varies all over the map. If the furniture & props called > for are fairly easily available. i.e. Two bar stools, a small > cocktail table, and one rose in a vase. Then depending on the > venue to have the stuff is reasonable. Putting on the rider > that you need two Louis XIV side chairs and matching side > table with red brocade is ridiculous to expect from a venue. > There are a bunch of riders on the www.thesmokinggun.com > web site. They are pretty over the top, but they give you > a flavor of what they look like. > One way to sanity check things is to make up two > versions. One being the absolute minimum you need, and the > other is the gold-plated royal treatment you would love to > get. This exercise helps you categorize your rider into > needs, wants, and nice-to-haves. Then take the result and > look at it with the eyes of a local TD who finally gets the > rider 24 hours in advance of showtime. > If you are a big draw act, then you can get away > with more. I read about one manager who wrote in a > requirement for oddball stuff, such as M&Ms with all the > brown ones removed, as a check to see if the venue folks > actually read and followed the rider. Once you are a > big enough draw, you can get away with such things. > > --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Tech riders for small touring groups From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Does anyone have a few tech riders for small theatrical touring groups > they could share? I've been appointed to help a group who's new at > touring format their rider so the venue isn't surprised by too much. > Also, this group seems to want to remain dependent on the presenter > providing props and furniture, instead of travelling with them. > How common is this? I think it rather odd, personally. As it is, I'm > trying to get them to travel with a sound op and hire a psm who can at > least handle a light board. > There are a lot of tech riders available on line. I don't know what type of a show you are talking about, but "small theatrical touring groups" sounds like the touring children's theatre companies that we often host for "Schooltime" presentations. Some are bigger and include detailed light plots, but most are capable of performing in a school gym if need be. Here are links to a few tech riders for these shows. I hope they help. http://tinyurl.com/nxe8j (Click on the "Technical requirements" link right after the descriptive paragraph) There are also links to a study guide, Promotional materials, and a program. I love the design and usability of this page! http://tinyurl.com/preeg Same comments and observation about this one. A great company to work with! http://tinyurl.com/r49m2 http://tinyurl.com/n2e2n This one has two tech. riders ("Technical guides"). One for schools, and a different one for Theatres. This particular page is practically impossible to find from their home page tough - not a good thing! All of these shows bring everything they need in terms of props & sets, although as others have pointed out some may request a couple of chairs or something simple. On the other hand, when we hosted Bea Arthur, she had very explicit instructions for furniture (Which we borrowed from a local store) and a vase of flowers. We had to send digital pictures to be sure they were "Acceptable". (This was beside the sleeping couch and other special arrangements we needed to make in the dressing room!) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:29:18 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B61 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > AUTOCAD RULES! >=20 > sigh. >=20 > next we'll get the Windows vs Mac discussion, right? Personally, I'd rather get back "on topic" (heh) and debate stouts vs. pilseners. Or ales vs. lagers. Or single-malt vs. blended (though I don't think there's be many takers for the "blended" side)... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tech riders for small touring groups Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B62 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > If you are a big draw act, then you can get away > with more. I read about one manager who wrote in a > requirement for oddball stuff, such as M&Ms with all the > brown ones removed, as a check to see if the venue folks > actually read and followed the rider. Once you are a > big enough draw, you can get away with such things. IIRC, Van Halen was the group responsible for this particular item. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FC76AB.5050405 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:35:23 +0200 From: Judy Subject: circuit breaker >In English, it's an Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker, in American a Ground Fault >Current Interruptor. >Don't knock them, they save lives. Ideally, all outlets in a kitchen and >those outside the house should be so protected. Anywhere there may be water around. I'm emphatically in favor of these in the home. But they don't like dimmers, and often trip just because there's a dimmer wired to the circuit. I also think it's extremely unsafe that something will cut off all the power in the venue when there is a short in one dimmer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:41:22 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre In-reply-to: Message-id: <43FC7812.40500 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Personally, I'd rather get back "on topic" (heh) and debate stouts vs. > pilseners. Or ales vs. lagers. Or single-malt vs. blended (though I > don't think there's be many takers for the "blended" side)... I believe the correct whiskey debate is single-malt vs. cask strength. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:49:59 -0800 On Feb 21, 2006, at 4:51 PM, gregg hillmar wrote: > next we'll get the Windows vs Mac discussion, right? I have that right here, our Mac server is trying to out-crash my Windows machine. :( :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <151501c637d1$d388d390$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: circuit breaker Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:02:54 -0000 "Judy" wrote: > >In English, it's an Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker, in American a Ground Fault > >Current Interruptor. > >Don't knock them, they save lives. Ideally, all outlets in a kitchen and > >those outside the house should be so protected. Anywhere there may be water around. > > I'm emphatically in favor of these in the home. But they don't like dimmers, and often trip > just because there's a dimmer wired to the circuit. Anything with lots of interference suppression will cause earth currents, and enough of these on the same circuit will cause problems. An extreme example is the filtering on the mains supply to RF screened rooms, the earth current is several amps and the conductor can be ten times the size of the live and neutral! > I also think it's extremely unsafe that >something will cut off all the power in the venue when > there is a short in one dimmer. Which is why the normal lighting circuit should either have separate protection or be on a standard breaker, which is the norm for domestic installations. By the way Frank, in the UK the term Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker has been superseded by Residual Current Device. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:06:51 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: circuit breaker In-reply-to: Message-id: <43FC9A2B.8050503 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

As long as we're talking about circuit breakers -- does the rating for a multi-pole breaker apply to the breaker as a whole or to each pole of the breaker? To clarify, we have a set of two-pole breakers in a panel that provide 208v to our MLs. The breakers are rated at 20A. Is that a 20A load per leg, or 20A load on the circuit as a whole? Thanks, Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:07:50 -0500 From: "Lynn Wheat" Subject: carp work on Long Island Hi All~ Just looking for overhire carps in the New York/Long Island area. Small Build, Short time. E-mail me back for more information. surfthestage [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FCA0D6.1060305 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:35:18 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: circuit breaker References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > As long as we're talking about circuit breakers -- does the rating for a > multi-pole breaker apply to the breaker as a whole or to each pole of > the breaker? > > To clarify, we have a set of two-pole breakers in a panel that provide > 208v to our MLs. The breakers are rated at 20A. Is that a 20A load per > leg, or 20A load on the circuit as a whole? > > Thanks, > > Steve L. > Per pole in the US. I think it is a NEMA standard, but don't quote me. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060222111742.00d24ad8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:17:42 From: CB Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Audiophiles >So if the sound guys use these their cabinets won't be in the LX guys' way? Esskyooce me? When noisy squealy lights aren't thought of as 'normal', then we can start talking about speakers being 'in the way'... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060222113705.00d24ad8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:05 From: CB Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles >> UNBELIEVABLE! > >Unfortunately, all too believable. This is the kind of useless garbage that >the 'golden eared' brigade believes. Real engineering measurements and double >blind testing are things they seem unable to grasp. Now, I'm usually in the front of the line to make fun of the audiophile money trees, but there is usually something to the pitch or it is snake oil. The trick is to be able to tell the difference, and the descriptive terms available for sound are usually lacking after about three or four adjectives. 'Real' engineering sometimes falls short, as with the suposition that the system doesn't need to produce anything above 16KHz. Humans are only able to recognize that a sound is being made up to about 20KHz, but they can tell the difference between a system that only reproduces up to 24KHz and one that reproduces up to 48KHz. Scientific methods (measuring from 20 to 20KHz) wouldn't show a difference, but you could hear it. Heck, 99.9% of the audiologists in this area can only measure hearing response from 800 to 8KHz. If you have never heard the difference between a $20,000 sound system in someone's living room and a $200,000 sound system, you might think that its all smoke and mirrors. Once you heard 'real' audiophile gear (the guy who owned the one I heard was an aero engineer and not too susceptable to snake oil salesmen) you'll understand. I have heard many, many sound systems, and most of them professional. My own home system is a dismal, rag-tag collection of rescued and revived parts and pieces, but I have heard home systems that can only be described as a religious experience, like no other. OTOH, Some of it is a pure crock. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <145.56d309d5.312e099b [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:38:19 EST Subject: Re: video switching In a message dated 22/02/06 12:38:10 GMT Standard Time, aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au writes: > Whilst once true, that is no longer the case. > A switcher with a frame store on each input can read in the video > asynchronously then read it out in perfect sync. The unit I was playing > with today can also change both the frame rate and resolution as well as > the colour encoding, to fit to a predetermined output format. This can be done, and often is. However, you still need a reference source of syncs. And I doubt that it's either simple or inexpensive. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060222115604.00d24ad8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:04 From: CB Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Audiophiles >Anywhere you know of to find a copy of that story with details? 'Audiophile Magazine', one of the editions released before the summer of '98, which is when I think I saw it. Sorry, that's the best I can reccomember. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:48:17 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Drill bit sharpening Message-id: <43FCB1F1.9020207 [at] ithaca.edu> How many folks on the list resharpen their own drill bits? Is there a favorite brand of bit sharpener? Thanks, Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: LITETROL [at] aol.com Message-ID: <36.3ef39bb.312e0d31 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:53:37 EST Subject: Re: Drill bit sharpening In a message dated 2/22/2006 1:49:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: How many folks on the list resharpen their own drill bits? Not us. They're too cheap in 12-packs from Graingers....... s. steve [at] litetrol.com Lite-Trol Service Co., Inc. 485 West John Street Hicksville NY 11801 800 548 3876 516 681 7288 fax ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <26d.62613f9.312e0e16 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:57:26 EST Subject: Re: circuit breaker In a message dated 22/02/06 14:35:44 GMT Standard Time, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: > I'm emphatically in favor of these in the home. But they don't like dimmers, > and often trip just because there's a dimmer wired to the circuit. I also > think it's extremely unsafe that something will cut off all the power in the > venue when there is a short in one dimmer. So do I. I remember when AHJs found out about them, many years ago. There were two schools of thought, one for one per channel, the other for one per phase, or per rack. Some authorities wanted them retrofitted to all lighting installations, according to their own view. Then the question of cost reared its head. One per phase is comparitively cheap, but hazardous. One per dimmer is expensive, and usually very difficult to implement. I shudder to think how we should have done it in our old racks. When the smoke had cleared, a more reasonable attitude emerged. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060222121140.00d24ad8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:11:40 From: CB Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? >I assure everyone reading this that I have no plans to follow Chris's >tongue-in-cheek suggestion. To be clear, the suggestion was *not* tongue in cheek. A great, thick plume of white CO2 fog can be made to spew forth from a confined area, looking very much like steam escapeing under pressure. Making sure that the fog can escape is a *VERY* important ingredient in this effect. Failing to insure that the gas can escape is going to result in a very startling (at the least) or a hazardous explosion. As an added precaution, we would crush the two liter bottle before introducing the hot water, as the re-inflation of the bottle is a sure indications that the time to throw it is imminent. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: circuit breaker Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9B66 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > When the smoke had cleared, a more reasonable attitude emerged. Interesting turn of phrase, Frank...hopefully you're speaking of metaphorical smoke, no? ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.4ef6788b.312e0f58 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:02:48 EST Subject: Re: circuit breaker In a message dated 22/02/06 17:04:33 GMT Standard Time, nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com writes: > By the way Frank, in the UK the term Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker has been > superseded by > Residual Current Device. So it has. I felt that there was something wrong. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:13:27 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <01846999.20060222141327 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Drill bit sharpening In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, February 22, 2006, Steve Litterst wrote: > How many folks on the list resharpen their own drill bits? > Is there a favorite brand of bit sharpener? I generally sharpen drills larger than 1/4" and I HIGHLY recommend the drill doctor as a sharpening device. I've had mine for about 2 years and have resurrected several dozens of drills. Mine is a model 400 and I bought the optional chuck for drills larger than 1/2" I've thrown away many drill sharpening systems and jigs over the years but the Doctor is the first one I've seen that intelligently addresses the needed geometry to obtain an effective hole-maker. A plus of the Doctor is that you can grind a split-point tip on drills larger than 1/8" diameter. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <105.7227718e.312e12b3 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:17:07 EST Subject: Re: circuit breaker In a message dated 22/02/06 17:08:25 GMT Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > As long as we're talking about circuit breakers -- does the rating for a > multi-pole breaker apply to the breaker as a whole or to each pole of > the breaker? > > To clarify, we have a set of two-pole breakers in a panel that provide > 208v to our MLs. The breakers are rated at 20A. Is that a 20A load per > leg, or 20A load on the circuit as a whole? Sound engineering suggests that it should be 20A per leg. After all, the breaker doesn't know that the load is across both legs. It would be wise to check the manufacturer's specifications, rather than taking my opinion as gospel. In the UK we don't have this sort of supply, which allows us to do 'horses for courses'. A three-phase supply to a three-phase machine should pull all three phases for an overload on one, otherwise strange things can happen. The same supply, going to many single-phase loads, can stand to pull them one at a time. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Strange Question Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:22:09 +0000 Hi Ya'll, I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new any plays that made reference to Bedbugs. I can't say I know any right off the top of my head. Anyone outthere know of any? Off list reply is fine Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:34:28 EST Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Audiophiles In a message dated 22/02/06 18:27:39 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > 'Real' engineering sometimes falls short, as with the suposition that the > system doesn't need to produce anything above 16KHz. Humans are only able > to recognize that a sound is being made up to about 20KHz, but they can > tell the difference between a system that only reproduces up to 24KHz and > one that reproduces up to 48KHz. Scientific methods (measuring from 20 to > 20KHz) wouldn't show a difference, but you could hear it. It does: there is little doubt. I know of no engineering measurement I can make that will tell me if a loudspeaker will sound good. Plenty that will tell me that it will not. Irregular frequency response, poor damping, internal resonances, air leaks, for example. Few of can do tests in an anechoic chamber. A reasonable alternative is to send pink noise to the speaker, and look at the output with a measuring microphone, a third-octave filter set, and a pen recorder. This will tell you a lot. Assessing speakers is a young man's job, who hasn't destroyed his hearing with too many loud concerts. At 66, my hearing is no longer up to it, although I can still tell a Steinway from a Bechstein. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20a.12eecb0d.312e17cd [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:38:53 EST Subject: Re: circuit breaker In a message dated 22/02/06 19:02:37 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > > When the smoke had cleared, a more reasonable attitude emerged. > > Interesting turn of phrase, Frank...hopefully you're speaking of > metaphorical smoke, no? It's a phrase often used by bridge players after a catastrophe for one side. It means the time when the mutual recriminations have come to an end, and logic again prevails. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Strange Question Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:57:18 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Hi Ya'll, > > I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new any > plays that made reference to Bedbugs. I can't say I know any > right off the > top of my head. Anyone outthere know of any? > > Off list reply is fine > > Moe > > Bedbugs & Broomsticks.....? 8-))) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FCC6C7.6040101 [at] idworld.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:17:11 -0600 From: wyn Subject: Wireless Dimmers Who is it that makes wireless dimmers. I have a client that just got the idea he wants to go wireless in his trade show booths . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:28:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Wireless Dimmers From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Who is it that makes wireless dimmers. I have a client that just got the > idea he wants to go wireless in his trade show booths . City Theatrical, www.citytheatrical.com Makes good ones, in a variety of sizes/capacities. - John ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Audiophiles Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:36:27 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >So if the sound guys use these their cabinets won't be in the LX guys' way? >Esskyooce me? When noisy squealy lights aren't thought of as 'normal', >then we can start talking about speakers being 'in the way'... Agreed, but I bet if we plug the movers into one of these outlets it will lower the noise floor of the lighting instruments so as not to interfere with sound. VBG Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da960602221251sd9118acv52194f2c775cdb17 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:51:38 -0500 From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Drill bit sharpening In-Reply-To: References:

I'll second the motion on the drill doctor system. I have recovered a number of large bits that couldnt have punched their way though tissue and got them drilling 14 gage steel like it was butter. Excellent device. Jason Cowperthwaite On 2/22/06, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Wednesday, February 22, 2006, Steve Litterst wrote: > > > How many folks on the list resharpen their own drill bits? > > Is there a favorite brand of bit sharpener? > > I generally sharpen drills larger than 1/4" and I HIGHLY recommend the > drill doctor as a sharpening device. I've had mine for about 2 years > and have resurrected several dozens of drills. Mine is a model 400 > and I bought the optional chuck for drills larger than 1/2" > > I've thrown away many drill sharpening systems and jigs over the > years but the Doctor is the first one I've seen that intelligently > addresses the needed geometry to obtain an effective hole-maker. A > plus of the Doctor is that you can grind a split-point tip on drills > larger than 1/8" diameter. > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com > > Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lampl= ighter [at] tcon.net > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Dan Mills Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:32:29 +0000 References:

In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200602222132.29468.dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 22 February 2006 09:55, Bill Nelson wrote: > > It depends on the statutes in the area where you live. In some > jurisdictions, unless the explosion is caused by heat and burning, it is > not considered to be an IED. That is a rather unintelligent > differentiation, as a compressed gas tank that is purposely ruptured can > do as much damage as a chemical powered explosion. Then this would also let things like acetone peroxide (as used in the London bombings) not count as not an IED. This one is interesting as the reaction is not inherently exothermic! Not that this is any reason to play with the awful stuff, it is hideously unstable and generally very bad news. Regards, Dan (Mad chemist in his youth). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:36:56 -0500 From: Nancy Moeur Subject: Major Corporation (brand name) Message-ID: <44B87773 [at] OrangeMail> Oh wise list, Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) might have been in business? I have some raceways in one of our theatres made by them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed. Many thanks to anyone who can help--I've tried a bit of web searching with no results. Too bad "Major" and "Corporation" are such common words! thanks, -nancy ___________ Nancy Moeur AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama nmoeur [at] syr.edu ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <299.5f78852.312e357a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:45:30 EST Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) Can always call whomever regsiters corporations in the state of IL. Kristi nmoeur [at] mailbox.syr.edu writes: Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) might have been in business? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:05:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: There used to be a company there called Dimatronics. I can remember sending portable dimmer packs there as long ago as 1980. They may still be in buisness. They were very good. Merel On 2/22/06 4:36 PM, "Nancy Moeur" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh wise list, > > Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) might > have been in business? I have some raceways in one of our theatres made by > them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm > trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed. > > Many thanks to anyone who can help--I've tried a bit of web searching with no > results. Too bad "Major" and "Corporation" are such common words! > > thanks, > > -nancy > > ___________ > Nancy Moeur > AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama > nmoeur [at] syr.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:25:38 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) In-reply-to: Message-id: <43FCE4E2.7000203 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Nancy Moeur wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh wise list, > > Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) might > have been in business? I have some raceways in one of our theatres made by > them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm > trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed. Any identifying marks on our raceways have long since been painted over, but ours are also non-NEMA twist. Ours were installed in the late 60s. I've toured into many high school auditoria that date to the mid to late 60s and most were equipped with Hub or Major equipment. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060222092727.01f78110 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:29:07 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: circuit breaker In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:06 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: >As long as we're talking about circuit breakers -- does the rating >for a multi-pole breaker apply to the breaker as a whole or to each >pole of the breaker? > >To clarify, we have a set of two-pole breakers in a panel that >provide 208v to our MLs. The breakers are rated at 20A. Is that a >20A load per leg, or 20A load on the circuit as a whole? Per leg, when the breaker is new and when current is drawn per the manufacturer's chart. The trip point goes down with age and depending on the breaker (thermal, magnetic) with the time the current is drawn. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Wireless Dimmers Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:40:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060222224020.OHP13653.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> I make wireless dimmers. Jim www.theatrewireless.com Toll free 866-258-4577 > Who is it that makes wireless dimmers. I have a client that > just got the idea he wants to go wireless in his trade show booths . ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:44:47 GMT Subject: Re: Strange Question Message-Id: <20060222.144524.16359.108896 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Once Upon a Mattress ? Under the Sycamore Tree ? /s/ Richard _____________ > Hi Ya'll, > I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new = any plays that made reference to Bedbugs. I can't say I know any > right off the top of my head. Anyone outthere know of any? > Moe > > Bedbugs & Broomsticks.....? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:51:37 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <76119453.20060222175137 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, February 22, 2006, Nancy Moeur wrote: > Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, > IL) might have been in business? Be still, my heart! My family has had a long and usually very pleasant relationship with Major. Without waxing melancholy about my teenage venture into romance at their Michigan retreat aptly named "Green Acres" I'll attempt to answer Ms. Moeur's query directly. The last entry I have of the company operating as Major corporation is dated 6 November 1979 in Northbrook, Illinois. I have a correspondence with Denny Mullaney dated December 1983 when he operated under the name of Major Control Products at 740 Industrial Drive in Cary, Illinois. It was shortly later when Varalight/Dimatronics arose from Major's ashes back in Crystal Lake. > I have some raceways in one of our theatres made by them--they have > non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm > trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed. My guess is your twist-locks have the ground pin blade that turns "out" as opposed to the more recent ones that have the ground pin that turns "in." Without blowing a lot of dust around the room and actually doing research, I'd guess that the "new" style twistlocks started appearing about 1975, which would put your installation earlier than that. Unfortunately for the mystery at hand, Major numbered their jobs sequentially rather than code manufacturing dates in the job number sequence. If you have a job number, however, I can develop a reasonable approximation of the date by comparing your number with the ones we have in our files. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:09:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Drill bit sharpening From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steve, I endorse the Drill Doctor brand. I am not sure what model we have but I'm pretty sure it has been replaced with a re-designed unit as I don't see it on their web-site. www.drilldr.com I agree with others that sharpening sizes smaller than 1/4" or so gets a little tedious for my taste. I find that my inexperienced crews have a tendency to be rough on the drill bits and I can easily justify the expense of owning and operating a Drill Doctor. That being said. You really need someone who cares to do it. I enjoy sharpening drills and am convinced it is economical in various ways, so I do it. Some people would just as soon be kicked several times as have to sharpen a bit so they throw them away. Which brings us around to the "It Depends" answer. Curious how that answer works so well for so many things. Regards. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Thomas Schraeder" Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:11:25 -0500 Major was in business as late as the early 1970's, but I think they did not last much longer than that. I attended Loyola University in Chicago. The theatre was opened in 1969 with a Major system - 55 dimmers 10Kw [at] . Very odd lekos and fresnels, but that's another story. I don't think any Major equipment could be less than 30 years old. Hope this helps. Tom Schraeder Lighting Design Wayne State University Theatre 4841 Cass Ave., Suite 3225 Detroit, MI 48202 313-577-7908 - office 313-577-0935 - fax > > Oh wise list, > > > > Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) >might > > have been in business? I have some raceways in one of our theatres made >by > > them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female >connectors--and I'm > > trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed. > > > > Many thanks to anyone who can help--I've tried a bit of web searching >with no > > results. Too bad "Major" and "Corporation" are such common words! > > > > thanks, > > > > -nancy > > > > ___________ > > Nancy Moeur > > AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama > > nmoeur [at] syr.edu > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.67a51a4e.312e49db [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:12:27 EST Subject: Re: circuit breaker In a message dated 22/02/06 22:29:35 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Per leg, when the breaker is new and when current is drawn per the > manufacturer's chart. The trip point goes down with age and > depending on the breaker (thermal, magnetic) with the time the > current is drawn. There is always a time element, as there is for fuses. These figures are out of the air, but a 10% overload for an hour; 100% for a minute, and 1,000% for a millisecond are not untypical. They are tailored to the use. For instance, motors have a huge initial surge, as do incandescent lamps and fluorescents. Breakers for this use are commonly called 'motor start rated'. They will handle the start surge current, which is perhaps ten times the running current, without falling over. At the same time, they will react to much smaller sustained overloads, which are what set things on fire, and handle the enormous instaneous currents drawn under short circuit conditions. Circuit protection is a tricky subject. Study of the manufacturers' data is a good idea, as is knowing the connected equipment. Most of this gear comes with time to disconnect against current curves. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.57cbe4a.312e4bef [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:21:19 EST Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name) In a message dated 22/02/06 23:12:07 GMT Standard Time, tschraeder [at] hotmail.com writes: > Major was in business as late as the early 1970's, but I think they did not > last much longer than that. I attended Loyola University in Chicago. The > theatre was opened in 1969 with a Major system - 55 dimmers 10Kw [at] . Very odd > > lekos and fresnels, but that's another story. I don't think any Major > equipment could be less than 30 years old. They were around in the UK in the fifties, selling clones of Strand designs. This was probably because they used to some of Strand's diecasting. I certainly remember their imitation Patt. 23. It was finished in dull gold, rather than Strand's neutral grey-brown, and worked less well. They were based in the Midlands: Leicester or Nottingham come to mind. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:45:23 -0500 Subject: How to drop a drop box. From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: All, I look to the list for suggestions on drop boxes for lighting circuits. We currently have a traditional(for the most part) counterweight system. We have two dedicated electrics with raceways on them and cables running to junction boxes above the grid. No problems there. The other 50 or so circuits in the stagehouse come to junction boxes above the grid, which connect to long multi-conductor cables that run down through the grid to impossibly heavy junction boxes that will not fit through the 3" opening between the channel iron of the grid. In order to facilitate repositioning these circuits from one lineset to another we have a system which I hate. The solution is to bring every lineset between where the drop-box is and where it needs to be to the deck. Pass the box over the lowered battens to the new batten then tie the multi-cable up to the bottom of the grid from where it goes below the grid to where it can drop down to the new batten. As near as I can tell there isn't much rhyme or reason to the original positioning of the circuits. We now have a spaghetti tangle of incredibly difficult to reposition multi-cable tied up to the bottom of the grid. This seems to only get worse each time things are repositioned and I am looking for a more elegant solution. I would like to replace the bulky junction boxes so each multi-cable could be pulled completely above the grid then dropped back through over the selected batten. So here are my two questions: Does anyone have a suggestion of where to buy a thin Junction box? I need one that will fit through the 3" openings in my grid and handle up to six circuits. Does anyone have an elegant solution for attaching multi-cable to a lift-line that is reasonably easy to move from one lineset to the next? Any advice appreciated. Thank you. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:53 -0800 From: "David Sword" Subject: Re: How to drop a drop box. Curtis, We have gone from drop boxes to fan outs. Each multi-cable fans out into= six separate plugs with each piece of the fanout being eighteen inches l= onger than the one before it. Just tie the multi-cable to the batten and= plug the fan out directly to the lighting instruments. No cableing. Th= e separate plugs would easily fit through your grid. We also have multip= le places up in the grid to plug the multi-cables in using Cycopex multi-= pin connectors. That way you can use the multis wherever you need them. David Sword >>> clmortimore [at] bsu.edu 02/22/06 4:45 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- All, I look to the list for suggestions on drop boxes for lighting circuits. We currently have a traditional(for the most part) counterweight system. = We have two dedicated electrics with raceways on them and cables running to junction boxes above the grid. No problems there. The other 50 or so circuits in the stagehouse come to junction boxes abov= e the grid, which connect to long multi-conductor cables that run down thro= ugh the grid to impossibly heavy junction boxes that will not fit through the= 3" opening between the channel iron of the grid. In order to facilitate repositioning these circuits from one lineset to another we have a system which I hate. The solution is to bring every lineset between where the drop-box is and where it needs to be to the deck. Pass the box over the lowered battens to the new batten then tie the multi-cable up to the bott= om of the grid from where it goes below the grid to where it can drop down t= o the new batten. As near as I can tell there isn't much rhyme or reason to the original positioning of the circuits. We now have a spaghetti tangle = of incredibly difficult to reposition multi-cable tied up to the bottom of t= he grid. This seems to only get worse each time things are repositioned and = I am looking for a more elegant solution. I would like to replace the bulky junction boxes so each multi-cable could be pulled completely above the g= rid then dropped back through over the selected batten. So here are my two questions: Does anyone have a suggestion of where to buy a thin Junction box? I need one that will fit through the 3" openings in my grid and handle up= to six circuits. Does anyone have an elegant solution for attaching multi-cable to a lift-line that is reasonably easy to move from one lineset to the next? Any advice appreciated. Thank you. --=20 Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 This message scanned for viruses and SPAM by GWGuardian at SCU (MGW1) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:34:59 -0500 Subject: Re: How to drop a drop box. From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: David, Thank you. I have looked at this and if I had the money I would absolutely without question go this route. I don't think I can afford it. I might be wrong, but as of this moment I have 0$ for any conversion. My thinking was that thinner boxes would be cheapest and I might could sneak that money out of the department chair's show budget (because we all know if there is a time when extra money is to be found it is for the boss's show! ;) The other side of the coin is that I do not have a standard multi-cable. The ME has our notes but IIRC we have 11 different drops and at least 5 different cable types ranging from 8 to 21 conductors and three to seven circuits. Yes, one particular box has three separate cables coming to it. Each a different cable type for a total of twelve circuits in one gianormous junction box similar in size to a small car. My hope would be to replace the box only. In the case of the huge one(s), splitting each cable into it's own smaller box. Replace the mesh cord grips as needed, recycle all of the multi-cable and tails, thus keeping the cost down as much as possible. Again, thanks for the suggestion. And I promise, when I find a huge stack of cash someone is going sell me a crap-ton of 19-pin multi-cable! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270602221747k3e68ee56va1c3c060c1d6009 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:47:47 -0500 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: Cheap-o fog? In-Reply-To: References:

> Fog juice is mainly water, with additives to ensure that the steam create= d in the machine > hangs around along time. Diluting it with distilled water reduces the per= sistence, and > saves money too! Fog fluid may have been mostly water back in the days when glycerol was a popular ingredient, but water certainly makes up less than 50% of the contents in most brand name fog fluids nowadays. AFAIK. Nathan -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43FD2D1A.4000906 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:33:46 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: How to drop a drop box. References: In-Reply-To: We did the same thing, except ours are still hard wired into a junction box in the grid. This gives us a bit of flexibility because by having the end hard wired in the grid the multi cable is not considered an extension cord by the NEC. David Sword wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Curtis, >We have gone from drop boxes to fan outs. Each multi-cable fans out into six separate plugs with each piece of the fanout being eighteen inches longer than the one before it. Just tie the multi-cable to the batten and plug the fan out directly to the lighting instruments. No cableing. The separate plugs would easily fit through your grid. We also have multiple places up in the grid to plug the multi-cables in using Cycopex multi-pin connectors. That way you can use the multis wherever you need them. > >David Sword > > > >>>>clmortimore [at] bsu.edu 02/22/06 4:45 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >All, > >I look to the list for suggestions on drop boxes for lighting circuits. > >We currently have a traditional(for the most part) counterweight system. We >have two dedicated electrics with raceways on them and cables running to >junction boxes above the grid. No problems there. > >The other 50 or so circuits in the stagehouse come to junction boxes above >the grid, which connect to long multi-conductor cables that run down through >the grid to impossibly heavy junction boxes that will not fit through the 3" >opening between the channel iron of the grid. In order to facilitate >repositioning these circuits from one lineset to another we have a system >which I hate. The solution is to bring every lineset between where the >drop-box is and where it needs to be to the deck. Pass the box over the >lowered battens to the new batten then tie the multi-cable up to the bottom >of the grid from where it goes below the grid to where it can drop down to >the new batten. As near as I can tell there isn't much rhyme or reason to >the original positioning of the circuits. We now have a spaghetti tangle of >incredibly difficult to reposition multi-cable tied up to the bottom of the >grid. This seems to only get worse each time things are repositioned and I >am looking for a more elegant solution. I would like to replace the bulky >junction boxes so each multi-cable could be pulled completely above the grid >then dropped back through over the selected batten. > >So here are my two questions: > >Does anyone have a suggestion of where to buy a thin Junction box? >I need one that will fit through the 3" openings in my grid and handle up to >six circuits. > >Does anyone have an elegant solution for attaching multi-cable to a >lift-line that is reasonably easy to move from one lineset to the next? > >Any advice appreciated. > >Thank you. > > > -- Brian James Everyone has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1191.208.51.52.85.1140686751.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: circuit breaker From: "Bill Nelson" > In the UK we don't have this sort of supply, which allows us to do 'horses > for courses'. A three-phase supply to a three-phase machine should pull all > three phases for an overload on one, otherwise strange things can happen. > The same > supply, going to many single-phase loads, can stand to pull them one at a > time. Uh, Frank. It is the same in the US. When one leg overloads, all the sectors of the breaker trip off. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #700 *****************************