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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #701

 1. Re: Wireless Dimmers
    by "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
 2. Urgent help needed
    by "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
 3. Re: Strange Question
    by Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com>
 4. conversion of gym to theatre space
    by "Robert Napoli" <run2 [at] psu.edu>
 5. Re: Strange Question
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 6. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 7. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
 8. Tech Riders
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
 9. bedbugs?
    by Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
10. Re: bedbugs?
    by Tara Holmes <tholmes [at] du.edu>
11. Re: How to drop a drop box.
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
12. Re: Urgent help needed
    by "John Penisten" <john [at] fullcompass.com>
13. Drill bits
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
14. Re: bedbugs?
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
15. Re: Wireless Dimming
    by Brendan Quigley <bcquigley [at] earthlink.net>
16. Re: bedbugs?
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
17. More Bedbugs: An Explanation
    by "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
18. Re: bedbugs?
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
19. Re: Urgent help needed
    by John Penisten <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
20. Re: bedbugs?
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
21. Re: Urgent help needed
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
22. Free paint source
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
23. need some help w/ a vectorworks file...
    by "Jason Cowperthwaite" <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
24. Re: Free paint source
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
25. Re: Hanging Choir Mics
    by Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
26. Re: how to build a drop box
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
27. Re: Major Corporation (brand name)
    by Tom Grabowski <tomgrab [at] utpa.edu>
28. Hockey Talent (OT)
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
29. Re: Free paint source
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
30. Re: Free paint source
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
31. How to drop a drop box
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
32. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
33. Re: need some help w/ a vectorworks file...
    by "Jason Cowperthwaite" <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
34. Re: Major Corporation (brand name)
    by "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft02 [at] DesignRelief.com>
35. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
36. Re[2]: Free paint source
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
37. Re: circuit breaker
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
38. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
39. Re: circuit breaker
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
40. Re: circuit breaker
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
41. Re: Free paint source
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
42. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
43. Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
44. Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
45. Re: Free paint source
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
46. Re: How to drop a drop box
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
47. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
48. Re: Tech riders for small touring groups
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
49. Re: Free paint source
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
50. plotter/printer
    by Phil Johnson <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
51. Re: Free paint source
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
52. Re: plotter/printer
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
53. Re: plotter/printer
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
54. Re: Free paint source
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
55. Re: circuit breaker
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
56. Re: plotter/printer
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
57. Re: need some help w/ a vectorworks file...
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
58. Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
59. Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
60. Re: Major Corporation (brand name)
    by Richard Bakos <Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com>
61. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
62. Re: bedbugs?
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
63. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
64. Re: Free paint source
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
65. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
66. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by Joe Golden <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
67. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
68. Re: Multi cables and lift lines
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>

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From: "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
Cc: wyn [at] idworld.net
Subject: Re: Wireless Dimmers
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:19:00 -0500
Message-ID: <JNEMKLCHNOMOHOGEILMLCEJHCOAA.anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>

As John pointed out, we make wireless dimming.

Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager
City Theatrical, Inc.
752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454
Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
web:    www.citytheatrical.com 

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Message-ID: <43FCC6C7.6040101 [at] idworld.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:17:11 -0600
From: wyn <wyn [at] idworld.net>
Subject: Wireless Dimmers

Who is it that makes wireless dimmers. I have a client that just got the 
idea he wants to go wireless in his trade show booths .


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Message-ID: <000901c63878$75623840$87504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC>
From: "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
Subject: Urgent help needed
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:55:43 -0600

The high school that I do volunteer Theatre work at is opening their spring
musical tonight (Thursday 2/23) last night during the final dress rehearsal
we lost one channel on a 4 channel dimmer pack.  We have no spare,  I am
hoping there is some one the List within a short drive of Milwaukee, WI that
would be willing to loan or rent me (cheap, no budget left) a 4 channel DMX
controllable dimmer pack.  I need the until March 6.  Please contact me off
list if you can help me out.  I need to find something by call time (5:00pm)
tonight

Thanks for the use of the bandwidth

Randy 'B-ski'


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Message-ID: <20060223130157.16755.qmail [at] web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:01:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Strange Question
In-Reply-To: <list-27867570 [at] prxy.net>

I don't know if this is helpful in this case, as I don't know if it's been translated,
but there is a 1929 satire by Vladimir Mayakovsky called "Bedbug" - a summary of the play
can be found here: http://www.sovlit.com/bedbug/

--- Maurice Moe Conn <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi Ya'll,
> 
> I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new any 
> plays that made reference to Bedbugs.  I can't say I know any right off the 
> top of my head.  Anyone outthere know of any?
> 
> Off list reply is fine
> 
> Moe
> 
> 
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> Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org
> 
> 
> 


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Message-Id: <200602231304.k1ND4UA6076396 [at] f05n15.cac.psu.edu>
From: "Robert Napoli" <run2 [at] psu.edu>
Subject: conversion of gym to theatre space
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:05:25 -0500

To make a long story short I found out yesterday that by March 1st I am to
present a "ball park figure" for conversion of a basket ball court on campus
into a theatre space. It would include a 200 or so seat black box, a 75 seat
acting studio, shops, box office etc. Does anyone have a magic rule of thumb
out there like $100 per square foot? Has anyone done something similar?




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Strange Question
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:10:13 -0500
Message-ID: <000901c6387a$7bf1d650$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27890927 [at] prxy.net>


> > I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked 
> me if I new 
> > any
> > plays that made reference to Bedbugs.

Somewhere here there's a joke about the Equity cot....


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: conversion of gym to theatre space
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:15:38 -0500
Message-ID: <000f01c6387b$3d1ea830$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27890981 [at] prxy.net>

 
> To make a long story short I found out yesterday that by 
> March 1st I am to present a "ball park figure" for conversion 
> of a basket ball court on campus into a theatre space. It 
> would include a 200 or so seat black box, a 75 seat acting 
> studio, shops, box office etc. Does anyone have a magic rule 
> of thumb out there like $100 per square foot? Has anyone done 
> something similar?

I know that several years ago, the Dance Program at Sam Houston State
University (Huntsville, TX) did something quit similar (think dance studios
instead of shop space).  Cal Dana Nicolay there.


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:37:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
In-reply-to: <list-27890981 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <3319.172.170.33.210.1140701840.squirrel [at] 172.170.33.210>
References: <list-27890981 [at] prxy.net>

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> To make a long story short I found out yesterday that by March 1st I am to
> present a "ball park figure" for conversion of a basket ball court on
> campus
> into a theatre space. It would include a 200 or so seat black box, a 75
> seat
> acting studio, shops, box office etc. Does anyone have a magic rule of
> thumb
> out there like $100 per square foot? Has anyone done something similar?

Yeesh.  Is this a permanent conversion or only during the off-season?

Steve Litterst


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Message-ID: <20060223140129.54959.qmail [at] web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:01:29 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Tech Riders
In-Reply-To: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>


If you do the max tech rider and minimum tech rider,
meet in the middle, and do not send out the minimum
rider. Send the "wish list" rider and let the
presenter amend it to fit their abilities. 

When I was Touring with Savion Glover, He got
everything asked for in his rider. After a week of
being on the road we had to re-write the rider, we
down sized it. The original called for so much food
and drink that if it were all consumed the only
tapping would have been the tapping on the dressing
room door in an attempt to wake Savion from his food coma.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Message-ID: <43FDC10A.6070400 [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:04:58 +0200
From: Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Subject: bedbugs?

>
>
>I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new any 
>plays that made reference to Bedbugs.  I can't say I know any right off the 
>top of my head.  Anyone outthere know of any?
>
>Off list reply is fine
>
Oh no, I'm sure we all want to know the answer to that!!

Can't think of any myself. (The Insect Play, maybe? by Karl Capek?)

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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:18:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Tara Holmes <tholmes [at] du.edu>
Subject: Re: bedbugs?
Message-id: <5599267.1140704317447.JavaMail.cpadmin [at] kronos>

Bug by Tracy Letts is about the overwhelming idea of bugs and bed bug 
like creatures.... of course this idea is completely drug induced. 

Good Luck
Tara


Judy wrote:


>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>>
>>
>>I just had a visit from a Biology Professor, and he asked me if I new 
any 
>>plays that made reference to Bedbugs.  I can't say I know any right off 
the 
>>top of my head.  Anyone outthere know of any?
>>
>>Off list reply is fine
>>
>Oh no, I'm sure we all want to know the answer to that!!
>
>Can't think of any myself. (The Insect Play, maybe? by Karl Capek?)
>

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Message-ID: <43FDC52C.5070209 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:22:36 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: How to drop a drop box.
References: <list-27876909 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27876909 [at] prxy.net>

Curtis L. Mortimore wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> David,
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> I have looked at this and if I had the money I would absolutely without
> question go this route. I don't think I can afford it. I might be wrong, but
> as of this moment I have 0$ for any conversion. My thinking was that thinner
> boxes would be cheapest and I might could sneak that money out of the
> department chair's show budget (because we all know if there is a time when
> extra money is to be found it is for the boss's show! ;)
> 
> The other side of the coin is that I do not have a standard multi-cable. The
> ME has our notes but IIRC we have 11 different drops and at least 5
> different cable types ranging from 8 to 21 conductors and three to seven
> circuits. Yes, one particular box has three separate cables coming to it.
> Each a different cable type for a total of twelve circuits in one gianormous
> junction box similar in size to a small car.
> 
> My hope would be to replace the box only. In the case of the huge one(s),
> splitting each cable into it's own smaller box. Replace the mesh cord grips
> as needed, recycle all of the multi-cable and tails, thus keeping the cost
> down as much as possible.
> 
> Again, thanks for the suggestion. And I promise, when I find a huge stack of
> cash someone is going sell me a crap-ton of 19-pin multi-cable!
> 
    Given your lack of budget, you are pretty much stuck for now.
I'd replace the big boxes with fanouts first.  For the box
with three cables coming into it, make it three independent
drop cables if you can.
   Next step requires a basic design decision.  Are you going
to distribute circuits to the booms or raw power and control
signaling?  In these days of intelligent lighting, I'd go for
the latter.
   If the former, just continue turning the cables into fanouts
and carry on, possibly inserting socapex or similar
multiconnectors into these cables.
    For the latter, change the ends on the cables, and the wiring
in the walls to feed them three phase power circuits.  As
mentioned in a post a few weeks ago, about the most useful
power plug in a US theater is the L21-30 twistlock. (three hots
plus neutral and ground 120/208)  Using this, you can power
any flying theatrical kit I know about.  DMX splitter and tie
wrap a DMX cable to each of these power cables as it hangs down
from the ceiling.  You can buy or make adapter cables/boxes
to turn the common power supply plug into whatever you need.
    Hang small dimmer packs on the batten, moving lights, video
projectors, whatever as called for by the show.

	--Dale

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Message-ID: <43FDC599.1000705 [at] fullcompass.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:24:25 -0600
From: "John Penisten" <john [at] fullcompass.com>
Cc: rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com
Subject: Re:Urgent help needed

Randy,
I have four channel packs I would be happy to loan.  Take a couple and 
have a spare on hand.  Is Madison/Middleton close enough?  See my sig 
for contact info in the office, or call my cell: 608/335-7714.

John

--
John Penisten
Full Compass Systems
Rental, Production, Design
http://www.fullcompass.com
Phone: 800-356-5844 Ext. 1355
Fax: 608-831-6330

The high school that I do volunteer Theatre work at is opening their spring
musical tonight (Thursday 2/23) last night during the final dress rehearsal
we lost one channel on a 4 channel dimmer pack.  We have no spare,  I am
hoping there is some one the List within a short drive of Milwaukee, WI that
would be willing to loan or rent me (cheap, no budget left) a 4 channel DMX
controllable dimmer pack.  I need the until March 6.  Please contact me off
list if you can help me out.  I need to find something by call time (5:00pm)
tonight

Thanks for the use of the bandwidth

Randy 'B-ski'


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:47:12 -0500
Subject: Drill bits
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <C0233520.1E95%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

I sharpen drill bits in our shops.  I'll only sharpen snapped ones if I
don't have a replacement ready to hand, but I'll give dull ones a go.
Anything under 1/8" is too small for me to do.

I'll use a bench grinder in a pinch, but I like our large stationary sander
better for its finer grit and flat surface.  The technique takes some
practice, but on the bright side you may have planned to throw the bit away
anyway (no cost there) and once figured out the time it takes is almost
insignificant.  A previous shop I worked in did have a dedicated machine,
and we'd drop dull bits into a box until there was some down time, then we'd
sharpen the lot. 

Anyone interested in learning can look up the technique in an old shop
manual or shop text, or in one of the several "How to sharpen everything"
books you might find in the woodworking section of the bookstore.  It's a
good skill to have, as different materials like different angles (bits for
steel are usually 118 or 135 degrees when new; bits for plastic may be 60
degrees), and it's not too hard to modify the bit quickly and get to work.

Disclaimer:  I haven't tried to do split point or brad point drills.  I have
done auger, forstner and spade bits, but for them I'll use files and/or a
dremel tool.  

If you do toss dull bits, it may be worth looking into the bits for body
work, which are short but sharp on both ends - reverse when dull, then toss.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


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Message-ID: <43FDCB39.2030507 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:48:25 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: bedbugs?
References: <list-27892525 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27892525 [at] prxy.net>

Judy wrote:
> Can't think of any myself. (The Insect Play, maybe? by Karl Capek?)

I did that play many years ago (I played the vagrant), and I don't
recall bedbugs being mentioned at all.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:56:08 -0500
From: Brendan Quigley <bcquigley [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wireless Dimming
In-reply-to: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <9A3AE878-143E-4561-AD78-13BEA1CB87B6 [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>

I'll second my good friend Mr. McKernon ... we have a bunch of City  
Theatrical wireless dimmers and receivers on my current skit, and  
they're all working flawlessly.  Not sure of their cost, but they do  
the job and are (touch wood) maintenance free to this date; more than  
a year of touring the country.  Andrew Nikel (out there Andrew?) can  
help, or point you in the direction of a sales professional at CT  
that can assist you.

While I'm sure the other list folks' wireless stuff is top shelf, I  
can vouch for the bullet-proof nature of this gear.


Kind Regards,

Brendan C. Quigley
Head Electrician / Vari*Lite Technician
WICKED - A New Broadway Musical


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Message-ID: <43FDCD8B.7060803 [at] peak.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:58:19 -0800
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: bedbugs?
References: <list-27892525 [at] prxy.net> <list-27893617 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27893617 [at] prxy.net>

Jim Hyslop wrote:


> Judy wrote:
> 
>>Can't think of any myself. (The Insect Play, maybe? by Karl Capek?)
> 
> 
> I did that play many years ago (I played the vagrant), and I don't
> recall bedbugs being mentioned at all.

If I were looking for bedbug references, I'd probably start with plays 
set (and perhaps written) in the  17th or 18th centuries. It wouldnt 
surprise me at all to find bedbug references somewhere in Shakespeare, 
or possibly Moliere...

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org

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Message-ID: <BAY12-F2230CFF440591DF32EDF02E0F20 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: More Bedbugs: An Explanation
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:09:04 +0000

Here is the clarification for the inquiring minds...

The Bio Professor in question is an Entomologist and when not in the 
classroom makes documentaries on is field of study.  He called me for "Night 
Time" gels since bedbugs move at night and apparently his latest study is 
Bedbugs.
As the conversation progressed he ask about plays and bedbugs.  So... 
Plays...Bedbugs....Plays with Bedbugs.  Must have been a traumatic 
childhood.

Moe



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>From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: bedbugs?
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:48:25 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Judy wrote:
> > Can't think of any myself. (The Insect Play, maybe? by Karl Capek?)
>
>I did that play many years ago (I played the vagrant), and I don't
>recall bedbugs being mentioned at all.
>
>--
>Jim Hyslop
>



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: bedbugs?
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:10:47 -0500
Message-ID: <000401c6388b$53b04b70$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-27893802 [at] prxy.net>

 
> If I were looking for bedbug references, I'd probably start 
> with plays 
> set (and perhaps written) in the  17th or 18th centuries.

...Or, according to recent news stories, in 2006 NYC.


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Subject: Re: Urgent help needed
Message-ID: <6774-SnapperMsgB0894D29C0237363 [at] [166.227.53.112]>
In-Reply-To: <list-27893096 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27893096 [at] prxy.net>
From: John Penisten <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:11:58 -0800 (PST)

I apologize for the public reply.  Replying too early after a late tech, 
and not enough coffee, lead to fat fingers.

John
___
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www.snappermail.com




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Message-ID: <43FDD31E.1080308 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:22:06 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: bedbugs?
References: <list-27892525 [at] prxy.net> <list-27893617 [at] prxy.net> <list-27893802 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27893802 [at] prxy.net>

Pat Kight wrote:
> If I were looking for bedbug references, I'd probably start with plays
> set (and perhaps written) in the  17th or 18th centuries. It wouldnt
> surprise me at all to find bedbug references somewhere in Shakespeare,
> or possibly Moliere...

Ah, I just remembered the one I've been trying to remember: "The Bedbug"
by Mayakovski.

Google would help, too.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <43FDD435.8070805 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:26:45 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Urgent help needed
References: <list-27893096 [at] prxy.net> <list-27894121 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27894121 [at] prxy.net>

John Penisten wrote:
> I apologize for the public reply.  Replying too early after a late tech, 
> and not enough coffee, lead to fat fingers.

Still, it's nice to know that someone on the list heard the cry for
help, and is willing and able to assist. That's the cool thing about
theatre people - because we've all been in that kind of pickle and we
love our craft, we are willing to lend a hand when we can.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:40:27 -0500
Subject: Free paint source
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C023419B.A2C6%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27894346 [at] prxy.net>

I've just returned from the paint store.  The
kind folks at ICI paint (Glidden, etc.) have
donated nearly 500 gallons of mistinted paint
that would normally have been disposed of to
our not-for-profit theatre.  One of our actresses
is a former ICI employee and asked me if I
could use free paint.  Wow!

Still don't know what I'll use 5 gallons of
swimming pool paint for.  A wide variety of
colors and sheens, plus a lot of exterior
oil stains.

If you need paint try your local paint store.
If you are not-for-profit, you may be in for
a windfall.

Tomorrow morning I pick up 60 gallons of
discontinued tint bases.

Steve





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Message-ID: <3eb8da960602230814l2141ffcbp69948413e9867ae6 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:14:58 -0500
From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
Subject: need some help w/ a vectorworks file...

Hey folks,

I need a vectorworks user to do me a quick favor and export a file
down to version 9.5 for me.  I think the file is in version 11.

If there is anyone who can take a few seconds and do that for me, i
would be extremly happy.

Please email me off list if you can help.

Thanks!

Jason Cowperthwaite

------------------------------

Message-ID: <43FDE054.7010903 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:18:28 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: Free paint source
References: <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Larson wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I've just returned from the paint store.  The
> kind folks at ICI paint (Glidden, etc.) have
> donated nearly 500 gallons of mistinted paint
> that would normally have been disposed of to
> our not-for-profit theatre.  One of our actresses
> is a former ICI employee and asked me if I
> could use free paint.  Wow!
> 
> Still don't know what I'll use 5 gallons of
> swimming pool paint for.  A wide variety of
> colors and sheens, plus a lot of exterior
> oil stains.
> 
> If you need paint try your local paint store.
> If you are not-for-profit, you may be in for
> a windfall.
> 
> Tomorrow morning I pick up 60 gallons of
> discontinued tint bases.
> 
> Steve

   Pretty much any paint store or shop will have
a bin  full of miscolored paint available for
cheap.  When my dad has to repaint an apartment,
he goes and buys up a bunch of them.  Mix in a
couple of them in a bucket to create a uniform
mix and use that to paint the room.  Way less
expensive than buying full price.  It's perfectly
good paint, just not the right color for
someone else.

   --Dale

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:29:36 -0600
From: Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Hanging Choir Mics
Message-ID: <35E1D4E601C9DE926A7A4168 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-27853800 [at] prxy.net>
References:  <list-27853800 [at] prxy.net>

I appreciate those on this list with more experience concerning choir 
mics who are willing to invest their time to help me choose the most 
appropriate mic for our specific situation.

Let me provide more details:

We had a professional guest designer for our fall musical and he used 
two Peavey VCM 2 hanging choir mics to help reinforce the voices of the 
chorus members.  We have ten wireless mics for the principles, but have 
always struggled with a solution for reinforcing the chorus.  The 
designer hung the two Peavey choir mics about 18 feet off the deck from 
a batten midway between the proscenium and the upstage edge of the 
performance area.  Each mic was intended to cover performance  space 
approximately 15 feet by 15 feet.  He also attempted to incorporate 
shot gun microphones, but had little success because he couldn't find a 
location out of sightlines that wasn't being used by scenery, lighting 
or performers.  The director commented on the improved reinforcement 
and I made a mental note to purchase choir mics at my next opportunity.

I am a loyal patron of FullCompass and was given the following options 
for choir mics.

Audio-Technical ProPoint
Audio-Technica UniPoint
Crown CM 31
EV RE90H
Shure EasyFlex
Shure MicroFlex

Perhaps now, with this additional information, those on this list 
willing to offer their advice can better inform me as to which model 
would be the best for our particular application.

Thanks for the help!

____________________________________
Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design
Department of Theatre
University of Minnesota Duluth
www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey



--On Wednesday, February 22, 2006 "Paul Schreiner" 
<pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, Chris, for this.  I shoulda caught myself earlier, but I've
> been a bit under the weather the past day and a half, and my brain
> ain't totally firing on all cylinders...so I jumped in with the
> knee-jerk answer.
>
> Anyway, he's absolutely right.  There's so much missing from the OP's
> question that it makes offering a hard-and-fast guide impossible.
> What kind of space?  What's the distance from mic trim (should
> hanging be the way to go) to head-height?  Primarily reinforcement to
> hear quiet voices speaking from way US, or boosting a few singing
> voices over a large orchestra?  And so forth...I could go on, but you
> (hopefully) get the point.
>
> That being said, I've used the 853s before in a couple of different
> situations; in one space, they were for all-around general
> reinforcement at a 16' trim (so only about 10' to head height).
> There, they were fabulous.  In another space (1100-seat hall with 18'
> x 42' proscenium), they helped a bit, but not nearly as much...and
> they instead were best suited for choral/ensemble recordings (which
> we did plenty of).
>
> If you could give us an idea what the application is here, we might be
> able to point you in a better direction...





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Subject: RE: how to build a drop box
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:38:41 -0800
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038F58 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

That's quite a hodge-podge of wiring you have.

I like the fan out idea, although the longest circuit tail ends up being
9' in length. =20

Contact a local manufacturer and have the boxes custom made.  It may not
be as bad you think.  Get the boxes built so all circuits are on the
same face.  This should reduce the depth of the box to the depth of the
receptacle plug (plus a lil' bit)

Also, this is a project you can do a little bit at a time (do the big
one first, into 2, 3, or 4 separate boxes).  This also allows you to
"proto-type" the design a bit.

<$97,000,000 worth of hockey talent, and can't even make a medal round.
Sigh.  Back to curling, then.>


Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre, UBC
604-822-2372
=20
***********************
You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in
obscurity what it lacks in style.
                            Stoppard, R&G are Dead
************************
=20


------------------------------

From: Tom Grabowski <tomgrab [at] utpa.edu>
Cc: nmoeur [at] mailbox.syr.edu
Subject: RE: Major Corporation (brand name)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:46:11 -0600
In-Reply-To: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <20060223104611266.00000001448 [at] TGRABOWSKI>

The last incantation of Major Controls(Products) went out of business in Ma=
y 3, 1985 about three months before our building was finished with the last=
 (and largest) of their digital control systems (Job #6396).  When we final=
ly opened the theatre (after a number of architectural problems) it was dis=
covered that the system did not work due to both manufacturing and installa=
tion problems.  With the demise of the manufacturer soon followed by the EC=
, there was not much that we could do.  Several of the principals of Major =
Controls then formed their own firm, Lighting Controls Inc. but we were nev=
er able to get the system working properly,  It was replaced entirely in 19=
95.

 ------------------------------
> =

> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:36:56 -0500
> From: Nancy Moeur <nmoeur [at] mailbox.syr.edu>
> Subject: Major Corporation (brand name)
> Message-ID: <44B87773 [at] OrangeMail>
> =

> Oh wise list,
> =

> Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal =

> Lake, IL) might have been in business?  I have some raceways =

> in one of our theatres made by them--they have non-NEMA 20A =

> twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm trying to =

> make a stab at when they might have been installed.
> =

> Many thanks to anyone who can help--I've tried a bit of web =

> searching with no results.  Too bad "Major" and "Corporation" =

> are such common words!
> =

> thanks,
> =

> -nancy
> =

> ___________
> Nancy Moeur
> AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama
> nmoeur [at] syr.edu
> =

> =

> ------------------------------
> 


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43FDE713.9000902 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:47:15 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Hockey Talent (OT)
References: <list-27896257 [at] prxy.net>

Andrew,
Sorry about the Canadian men's hockey team.  The US team is even less 
effective.   BUT the Canadian WOMEN'S hockey team was (is) hot!!  They 
were amazing to watch.   OH! Canada!  :)

Steve Rees

Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> That's quite a hodge-podge of wiring you have.
> 
> I like the fan out idea, although the longest circuit tail ends up being
> 9' in length.  
> 
> Contact a local manufacturer and have the boxes custom made.  It may not
> be as bad you think.  Get the boxes built so all circuits are on the
> same face.  This should reduce the depth of the box to the depth of the
> receptacle plug (plus a lil' bit)
> 
> Also, this is a project you can do a little bit at a time (do the big
> one first, into 2, 3, or 4 separate boxes).  This also allows you to
> "proto-type" the design a bit.
> 
> <$97,000,000 worth of hockey talent, and can't even make a medal round.
> Sigh.  Back to curling, then.>
> 
> 
> Andrew M. Riter
> Head Lighting Technician
> Chan Centre, UBC
> 604-822-2372
>  
> ***********************
> You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in
> obscurity what it lacks in style.
>                             Stoppard, R&G are Dead
> ************************
>  



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:47:21 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <1195183119.20060223114721 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re: Free paint source
In-Reply-To: <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27894346 [at] prxy.net> <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Thursday, February 23, 2006, you wrote:

> I've just returned from the paint store. The kind folks at ICI paint
> (Glidden, etc.) have donated nearly 500 gallons of mistinted paint

And that, dear reader, is why my scene paint sales have gone sown
while replacement muslin sales have gone up!

I called on one of our larger customers some months back and, noticing
their stocked shelves of house paint in the scene shop, asked them why
they'd rather use house paint instead of scene paint.

"'Cuz they gave it to us." was the reply.

Hard to refute that kind of a deal.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602230925h53b00540ief627f0e08d6b45 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:25:49 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Free paint source
In-Reply-To: <list-27896442 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27894346 [at] prxy.net> <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-27896442 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>>And that, dear reader, is why my scene paint sales have gone sown
while replacement muslin sales have gone up!<<<<<


Speaking of which, Frank, are you aware that none of the links work on
your website? They all come back with error messages.

If you already knew this, sorry to rehash old news/sour grapes. If
not, just figured you'd like the FYI.



-- SS
TTS-EKU

"I should be ashamed of this, I'm not,
'Cause I have tasted grapes.
This smile, don't look.
It's my bait, my words, the hook."
 --Danny Stevens

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Message-ID: <20060223172649.84710.qmail [at] web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:26:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: How to drop a drop box
In-Reply-To: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>

 
> From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu> 

> So here are my two questions: 
>  
> Does anyone have a suggestion of where to buy a thin

> Junction box? 
> I need one that will fit through the 3" openings in 
> my grid and handle up to 
> six circuits. 

I think you will have trouble finding something so
small -- the ETC  boxes we recently bought were in the
3 x 6 x 12" range and cost  around $185 each (stage
pin, 6ckt, with clamps) 

A couple of work-arounds; you could get new distro
boxes and cut  out bits of your grid to allow you to
pull the boxes up and through,  then drop them where
you need.  Build some 2 x 4 w/ plywood plugs  for the
holes when not in use. 

You could re-run the cables off stage of your fly
system pipes.  Dis- assemble, re-run and re-assemble
the boxes.  Now that they're off  stage of the pipes,
you can drag them up and down stage at your  leisure,
directly offstage of the new electric pipe, secure the
cable to  a pin rail or other structure, then run the
box out onto the pipe.  Need  to re-hang?  Drop the
cable and boxes on the floor, drag up or  downstage,
secure to rail or other structure, run out onto pipe. 

>  
> Does anyone have an elegant solution for attaching 
> multi-cable to a 
> lift-line that is reasonably easy to move from one 
> lineset to the next? 

I think ideally, a strain relief for your multis would
be a spot line cable  pick; rope from a pin rail to a
grid mounted spot sheave, back down  to the cable. 
Simple, fast, portable, pretty cheap, easy.  If your 
theatre structure doesn't allow something like this
and you need to  attach your multis to the lift line
of the pipe, you might try a mountain  climbing runner
choked on the cable, to a locking beaner, to either a 
Klein Haven Grip ( http://tinyurl.com/k2lnu  ) or an
1/8" GAC loop  in a Klemheist knot (
http://tinyurl.com/n39dg ) around the lift line.   I
haven't tried either of these methods since we have a
pin rail and  pick lines. 

Paul 

__________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:26:55 -0500
Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <C0235A8F.47F3%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-27890981 [at] prxy.net>

Two hunernt and elventy grillion dollars!

Wow! That seams like pretty short notice to generate a seemingly quite
complex number. I do not envy your task.

Here is what I do know. A Church group purchased one of the Home Quarters
buildings, when they went out of business, and spent a reported ten million
on renovations creating a fairly large sanctuary, class rooms and
administrative offices which included a lot of technology, lighting, sound,
video, communication and decoration.

How big is a medium size Big-Box store? 50,000 sq ft?
Making a whole slew of assumptions.
$10,000,000 divided by 50,000 sq ft equals $200 per sq ft.

The "It Depends" answer is definitely in affect here.
Your mileage will definitely vary.
and
Good luck!
-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


------------------------------

Message-ID: <3eb8da960602231024l35e34455x4a49204227370942 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:24:15 -0500
From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" <jasonclights [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: need some help w/ a vectorworks file...
In-Reply-To: <3eb8da960602230814l2141ffcbp69948413e9867ae6 [at] mail.gmail.com>
References: <3eb8da960602230814l2141ffcbp69948413e9867ae6 [at] mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who offered to help!!

Problem solved... thats why I love this list... too many generous and
helpful people :)

Jason

On 2/23/06, Jason Cowperthwaite <jasonclights [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> I need a vectorworks user to do me a quick favor and export a file
> down to version 9.5 for me.  I think the file is in version 11.
>
> If there is anyone who can take a few seconds and do that for me, i
> would be extremly happy.
>
> Please email me off list if you can help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jason Cowperthwaite
>

------------------------------

Message-ID: <9197.12.156.239.114.1140719900.squirrel [at] webmail7.pair.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27888926 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:38:20 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name)
From: "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft02 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Reply-To: stagecraft02 [at] DesignRelief.com

Nancy Moeur wrote:
> Oh wise list,
>
> Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL)
> might have been in business?  I have some raceways in one of our
> theatres made by them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount
> female connectors--and I'm trying to make a stab at when they might
> have been installed.

1916 - 1981.  If yor equipment lists Crystal Lake, it is likely from the
1960's or early 1970's.  They then moved to Northbrook, Illinois until
they went out of business.  They went Chapter 11 in May of 1980, and sold
off the 3 divisions (architectural fixtures, reflectors, and dimming &
controls). The Dimming & Controls division then became Major Controls and
operated out of Cary, Illinois for several years after that.

The non-NEMA connectors is not a Major Corporation specific issue - NEMA
standard connectors haven't always been around.

>
> Many thanks to anyone who can help--I've tried a bit of web searching with
> no results.  Too bad "Major" and "Corporation" are such common words!

Note that Major is a family name.

> thanks,
> ___________
> Nancy Moeur
> AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama
> nmoeur [at] syr.edu

. . .
-------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter
Office:  Entertainment Technology /
            a Division of the Genlyte Group
mhefter  [at]  genlytecontrols.com
http://www.etdimming.com


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:47:56 -0500
Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0236D8C.A2E4%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27897415 [at] prxy.net>

I would be less concerned about how much it's going to
cost to convert.  You'll probably miss it by a mile.
First let them know exactly how you want it arranged,
what new equipment you'll need, electrical, plumbing,
HVAC needs.  That kind of stuff.  Leave the estimating
to the pros who do it for a living.  Just bang into
everyone's head what you need, how many, and why.

Steve

> From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:26:55 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Two hunernt and elventy grillion dollars!
> 
> Wow! That seams like pretty short notice to generate a seemingly quite
> complex number. I do not envy your task.
> 
> Here is what I do know. A Church group purchased one of the Home Quarters
> buildings, when they went out of business, and spent a reported ten million
> on renovations creating a fairly large sanctuary, class rooms and
> administrative offices which included a lot of technology, lighting, sound,
> video, communication and decoration.
> 
> How big is a medium size Big-Box store? 50,000 sq ft?
> Making a whole slew of assumptions.
> $10,000,000 divided by 50,000 sq ft equals $200 per sq ft.
> 
> The "It Depends" answer is definitely in affect here.
> Your mileage will definitely vary.
> and
> Good luck!
> -- 
> Curtis L. Mortimore
> Technical Director
> Ball State University
> Department of Theatre and Dance
> Muncie, IN 47306
> <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
> 


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:45:20 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <52495983.20060223134520 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re[2]: Free paint source
In-Reply-To: <list-27897364 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27894346 [at] prxy.net> <list-27894822 [at] prxy.net> <list-27896442 [at] prxy.net> <list-27897364 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Thursday, February 23, 2006, SS wrote:

> Frank, are you aware that none of the links work on your website?
> They all come back with error messages.

I thought the lost files had been re-linked, but my excursion was
indeed frustrated by broken links.  I HATE that!

Just goes to show that ocasionally visiting our own website is a good
idea.  Thanks for the alert.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <20b.12ef479e.312f65f1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:33 EST
Subject: Re: circuit breaker

In a message dated 23/02/06 09:26:36 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes:

> > In the UK we don't have this sort of supply, which allows us to do 'horses
>  > for courses'. A three-phase supply to a three-phase machine should pull 
> all
>  > three phases for an overload on one, otherwise strange things can happen.
>  > The same
>  > supply, going to many single-phase loads, can stand to pull them one at a
>  > time.
>  
>  Uh, Frank. It is the same in the US. When one leg overloads, all the
>  sectors of the breaker trip off.

Well, I should hope so, as I said. It's your 120/208V feeds which intrigue 
me. If all the load is to the 208V pair, a single-pole breaker would serve, it 
being just a single-phase supply. If some of it is on one or other of the 120V  
legs to neutral, I think the transformer might get a bit confused. In this 
case, a two-pole breaker would be very desirable.

After a moment's work with a slide rule, it seems to me thet the 120/208V 
feed is actually two legs of a three-phase star, together with the neutral. If 
this is the case, I should prefer a two-pole breaker.

The UK doesn't have the problem of high power loads in the way you do. With 
our 230V standard feed, currents are within bounds. A 40A breaker and wiring 
feeds my cooker: the water heater by a 30A one. There are four others at 30A, 
for general outlets, and four at 10A for permanent lighting circuits


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <229.6d59920.312f6850 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:34:40 EST
Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space

In a message dated 23/02/06 13:37:52 GMT Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu 
writes:

> Does anyone have a magic rule of
>  > thumb
>  > out there like $100 per square foot? Has anyone done something similar?
>  
>  Yeesh.  Is this a permanent conversion or only during the off-season?

Double yeesh!

It sounds permanent, and I for one should not care to produce a draft 
proposal, with cost etimates, in five days for a job like this. 


Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:43:17 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: circuit breaker
In-reply-to: <list-27900352 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43FE1055.4020005 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27900352 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> After a moment's work with a slide rule, it seems to me thet the 120/208V 
> feed is actually two legs of a three-phase star, together with the neutral. If 
> this is the case, I should prefer a two-pole breaker.

Bingo.  The power supply in question is a distribution panel fed from a 
three phase power supply.  It has both 120v and 208v outlets, the 208 
are two hot legs and a neutral.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060223113319.01ef8888 [at] interstellar.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:46:22 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: circuit breaker
In-Reply-To: <list-27900352 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27900352 [at] prxy.net>

At 11:24 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:
>After a moment's work with a slide rule, it seems to me thet the 120/208V
>feed is actually two legs of a three-phase star, together with the 
>neutral. If
>this is the case, I should prefer a two-pole breaker.

This is for Frank:

Looking at the power that feeds the block we're on, there are two HV 
wires (3 phase legs) that run from the local substation block to 
block, no ground, no neutral.  Each block has a transformer that 
hooks to the HV wires on top, and has three lower terminals (240V 
center tapped).  The center tap goes to a ground stake on the pole 
and all three wires go down the center of the block to feed the 
houses.  The 240V output is isolated from the HV input.

Our house has dual 200A breakers (one per leg) that feed the breaker 
box.  These are mechanically tied so if one trips, it trips the 
other.  Three wires come from the pole to the house, the 240V legs 
and the center tap of the transformer (neutral).  At the entrance to 
the box, the neutral is tied to an earth stake directly under the 
box.  Ground and Neutral for the house all come from this same connection.

The box is configured so single breakers alternate between the two 
legs of the 240V.  240V breakers span both legs and are also 
mechanically tied to both legs trip.

We have some quad outlet boxes where 2 outlets are on one leg of the 
240, the other two on the other leg, and they share a neutral.  This 
allows more outlets with smaller cable (2 hots, neutral, ground) and 
actually results in slightly higher voltage when both outlets are 
under load (no loss over the neutral).


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2c1.58c3cfb.312f6c42 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:30 EST
Subject: Re: Free paint source

In a message dated 23/02/06 17:26:18 GMT Standard Time, cueonego [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> Speaking of which, Frank, are you aware that none of the links work on
>  your website? They all come back with error messages.
>  
>  If you already knew this, sorry to rehash old news/sour grapes. If
>  not, just figured you'd like the FYI.

Not surprised. I don't have a web site. I just post a few pictures to 
photobucket, from time to time.

 If you mean questors.org.uk please let me know more.

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <BAY112-F20C57F0909942E247E41A0DAF20 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-27900585 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: conversion of gym to theatre space
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:55:22 -0500

>It sounds permanent, and I for one should not care to produce a draft
>proposal, with cost etimates, in five days for a job like this.

Well, the first, middle, and last thing that you do is remind whomever it's 
being presented to that you've only had a few days to look over the figures, 
and so everything is extremely rough.  It may help to consider adding a 
percentage next to each dollar amount reflecting how much you think it might 
vary -- you can be relatively certain how much new lighting equipment might 
cost, but the labor to install it (due to discrepancies in as-built drawings 
and what-have-you) is harder to pin down.

So you budget it at, say, four hundred workhours at $25/hour, but with a 
+/-10% consideration.  Or, build all of the allowances into a separate 
budget item, reserved for handling cost overruns, etc.

The scope and timeline, actually, are pretty typical in the construction 
business.  You may be able to find an contractor's estimating manual at the 
library; make certain it's both recent (last three years, tops) and for your 
area.

The estimating guides I'm familiar with have entries for theaters, but I 
couldn't tell you how accurate they are; they're also plenty vague.  Fill in 
what you know, then use the estimating manual to fill in the gaps.

Also, some theatrical-installation companies (Secoa, I'm thinking of you) 
have "typical theater installation" guidelines on their websites: small, 
medium, and large.  Again, you'd have to tailor the information for your own 
use, but it provides a starting point.

Hope that helps,


-- Matt

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060223133157.00d30180 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:31:57
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: NCSA Continuing Education in Technical Theatre

>next we'll get the Windows vs Mac discussion, right?

Nope, the Digesters vs Single Messagers Who Don't Trim Their Replies seems
to be the next one in the hopper...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: conversion of gym to theatre space
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:40:35 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAA05Rop/7yQEueirrR7C/nNgEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-27901070 [at] prxy.net>

As pretty much everyone's said, there's really not enough information to
even begin speculating.

That being said, I'm going to anyway. I would guess the range will be =
$100 -
$200 per square foot. More you have to do to the building itself in =
terms of
systems (HVAC, fire protection, etc.) and beefing up the structure if =
you're
adding rigging, the closer you will be to the higher number.

You can always argue the definition of "Ball Park" - Wrigley Field or =
Safeco
Park?

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0602231332n409419c2yce435513dac0b23e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:32:03 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Free paint source
In-Reply-To: <list-27900966 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27900966 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Just goes to show that ocasionally visiting our own website is a
good idea.  Thanks for the alert.<<<<


No prob. That's what we're here for. Just looking out!!!


>>>>>If you mean questors.org.uk please let me know more.<<<<<

Sorry. Actually was referring to Frank Merrill's site
www.merrillstage.com. But for giggles I headed over to your site, and
it's fine. In case you were wondering.  :)


-SS
TTS-EKU

"I should be ashamed of this, I'm not,
'Cause I have tasted grapes.
This smile, don't look.
It's my bait, my words, the hook."
 --Danny Stevens

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Message-ID: <20060223215445.52215.qmail [at] web35310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:54:45 -0800 (PST)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: How to drop a drop box

>So here are my two questions:

>Does anyone have a suggestion of where to buy a thin
>Junction box?
>I need one that will fit through the 3" openings in
>my grid and handle up to six circuits.

I have to say, that's pretty small. And especially
since you have a bunch of different types of
connectors, I doubt you are going to find anything off
the shelf that will do what you want. And if you did,
it would probably cost more than putting on
connectors. But that's a guess - they might exist and
be cheaper than the other options. I just doubt it.

Another choice might be to pull the wire from your
junction box, and add female connectors onto the now
bare cable end(s), and add Male connectors (either
flush mounted or pig tailed) to the boxes. That way,
you can break the connection(s) and pull up and
reposition cable. If you are not using a soccopex,
veam, pyle national, or other kind of robust connector
with a collar on the male that gets screwed down to
hold it to the female, (or even if you do, really)
then you would need to make sure you had some kind of
strain relief/safety system in place, so the box could
not fall off or get pulled off the cable at the
connection point.

Of course, as someone else pointed out, once you pull
your cable out of the boxes and put connectors on, you
could as easily (probably MORE easily) use breakouts
rather than connection boxes, and they would most
likely fit through your grid.

I understand someone else's idea (At least I hope I
understood it correctly)of putting the boxes on TOP of
the grid, positioning where you want, and then running
cables from the boxes down to the desired spot. OTOH,
this would mean running a LOT of individual cables up
to grid height, which is probably not ideal.


>Does anyone have an elegant solution for attaching
>multi-cable to a
>lift-line that is reasonably easy to move from one
>lineset to the next?

Attaching multi-cable to a lift line? Is that the
question? And you don't just want to tie it off,
because you want to move the multi-cable to different
lift lines? I would firmly choke a spectraloop or
webbing runner with a caribeaner or a shackle in the
loop to the cable, and attach your lift line to it
that way.

Unless your question is how to move a lift-line from
one lineset to the next, which I'm not really
following.


>Any advice appreciated.
>
>Thank you.

>Curtis L. Mortimore

My .02, FWIW -



June Abernathy
IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)

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Message-ID: <20060223220748.1223.qmail [at] web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:07:48 -0800 (PST)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tech riders for small touring groups


<snip>
>I'm trying to get them to travel with a sound op and
>hire a psm who can at least handle a light board.

>Thanks,
>Michael Millar

Why would you have a PSM running the light board?
Obviously, you are in a non-union situation, to have
such a job split be even possible, but it still seems
odd. If you can't afford a PSM, a light board op, and
a sound board op, why not have a PSM who stage
manages, and a technician who runs the lights and
sound. Too many cues for that?

Are you carrying your own lighting and sound
equipment, or will your people need to be able to deal
with whatever the house has on hand? If it's the
latter, perhaps your PSM could call cues to a local
board op on either lights or sound. (Or both).

On the other tangent of this thread, there is a middle
ground between doing everything requested in the rider
and not booking the group. If something seems
excessive or impossible, or even just annoying and
difficult, you can call the group in question and ask
how vital the item is and if there is any wiggle room
available. Sometimes that will solve the problem. And
if not, at least you know where you stand.

And advice for you, Michael, putting together a new
rider - make sure there is contact information for
whoever you want the venues to call with questions
easily available to them.






June Abernathy
IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)

__________________________________________________
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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Tech riders for small touring groups
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:14:00 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c638c6$72d109a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27904002 [at] prxy.net>


> Why would you have a PSM running the light board?
> Obviously, you are in a non-union situation,

It's pretty common amongst Equity theatres at the SPT level, most of =
whom do
not use IATSE technicians (when I was at Florida Teeny Tiny Theatre in
Sarasota, I was happy if I had an intern who was at all interested in
electrics; often, they were literary interns).

Of course, Equity also frowns on this practice, so I understand, but no =
one
ever seems to do anything about it.


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:00:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Free paint source
Message-Id: <20060223.150139.24078.112614 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

I hope you got a MSDS along with each formula of paint.
/s/ Richard
___________________________
> I've just returned from the paint store. The kind folks at ICI paint
> (Glidden, etc.) have donated nearly 500 gallons of mistinted paint
 


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In-Reply-To: <list-27868789 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27868789 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <9b4cab702cf745d7358b67899691fe78 [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
From: Phil Johnson <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
Subject: plotter/printer
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:09:33 -0600

What types of printers are you folks using to print large plots and 
drafting output from your cad  programs.

I am using vectorworks on a mac and we are thinking about Wysiwyg next 
year and will be using a pc for that.  The art folks have a   24 inch 
wide printer but they have archival inks and use it for digital prints. 
   Any suggestions for a printer or plotter for at least 24 wide if not 
36?

Thanks


Network would be nice and I need to be able to secure it if possible.
Philip Johnson
Designer/Technical Director
Texas A & M -Corpus Christi


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:19:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Free paint source
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C023AD35.DD46%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27895756 [at] prxy.net>

> Pretty much any paint store or shop will have
> a bin  full of miscolored paint available for
> cheap.

    Can this paint be re-tinted to black? This would make it more valuable
to me, but if it can, why wouldn't the paint store do so - and sell it as
such?

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: plotter/printer
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:25:56 -0500
Message-ID: <001201c638d0$7f618b90$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-27905426 [at] prxy.net>


 
> What types of printers are you folks using to print large plots and 
> drafting output from your cad  programs.

I'm using an HP Designjet 220 that I bought used on E-Bay.  It'll go up to
36"x96" (black ink only)


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:32:29 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: plotter/printer
In-reply-to: <list-27905426 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43FE460D.5080902 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-27868789 [at] prxy.net> <list-27905426 [at] prxy.net>

Phil Johnson wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> What types of printers are you folks using to print large plots and 
> drafting output from your cad  programs.

We have an HP DesignJet 755.  36" wide rolls, full color, fully 
networked.  It gets used for everything from CAD drawings to scenery 
imagery.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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References: <list-27905603 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <85D9DDB4-9103-4F99-91EA-C0F34D94A0E8 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Free paint source
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:44:24 -0700

In the West,

Dunn Edwards sells a recycled paint in either grey or off white.  It  
is from the odd paint mixes, and is quite good. It is cheap, but the  
University pricing on their good stuff is cheaper.

Mark-O

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile




On Feb 23, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> Pretty much any paint store or shop will have
>> a bin  full of miscolored paint available for
>> cheap.
>
>     Can this paint be re-tinted to black? This would make it more  
> valuable
> to me, but if it can, why wouldn't the paint store do so - and sell  
> it as
> such?
>
> Bruce
> -- 
> Bruce Purdy
> Technical Director
> Smith Opera House
>
>


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1dd.4f8ecdde.312fa4e1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:53:05 EST
Subject: Re: circuit breaker

In a message dated 23/02/06 19:47:14 GMT Standard Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> This is for Frank:

And this for Jerry:
>  
>  Looking at the power that feeds the block we're on, there are two HV 
>  wires (3 phase legs) that run from the local substation block to 
>  block, no ground, no neutral. 

Our sub-station, about 50 yards up the road, receives 11KV three-phase delta, 
and turns this into 415V three-phase star, the neutral of which is grounded 
there, as a rule. With low-conductivity soil or rock, other arrangements may be 
made. From there, a five-wire distribution runs down the street, three phase 
wires, the neutral, and a ground which is usually the steel wire armour of the 
cable. Each house gets one phase, the neutral, and the ground, the phases 
rotating for balance.
 
>  Our house has dual 200A breakers (one per leg) that feed the breaker 
>  box.  These are mechanically tied so if one trips, it trips the 
>  other.  Three wires come from the pole to the house, the 240V legs 
>  and the center tap of the transformer (neutral).  At the entrance to 
>  the box, the neutral is tied to an earth stake directly under the 
>  box.  Ground and Neutral for the house all come from this same connection.

We do it differently. The first thing the incoming supply meets is a 
single-pole 100A fuse, sealed by the company, and a neutral link. Then the meter, and 
then the distribution. This is very different. Each area of the house has a 
'ring main': this is what it sounds like, a ring of cable feeding all the 
outlets in the area. Both ends of the cable are fed from one 30A breaker. Each 
appliance connector contains an appropriately rated fuse: 3A for a lamp, 7A for a 
kitchen machine, 13A for a heater. This protects the cable to the appliance as 
well as the appliance itself. Heavy loads, such as cookers and water heaters, 
are fed direct from the distribution.

In France, it is different again. Here I have a 415V three-phase intake, 
because I have 9KW of storage heaters. I also have a current-limiting breaker at 
the input. The standing charge for the supply is determined by this. Since the 
storage heaters are off-peak, this gives me the whole lot to play with. 
Splitting it around a wholly electric kitchen is hard, and I occasionally drop the 
breaker. There is no incoming ground, and I have my own earth spike.

There are no value judgements made in this post. Each of us has different 
problems. That's not quite true: I know which I think better engineering, 
objectively. But all of them work.


Frank Wood

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:00:53 GMT
Subject: Re: plotter/printer
Message-Id: <20060223.160056.24078.112774 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

I bought a New unopened HP DesignJet 100 from the HP warehouse in Housto=
n (I think) 24" Sheets plus 11" x 17" and 12" x 18" fed from a drawer be=
low, 3 Color & Black, $800 was the total cost, shipped to me.
/s/ Richard
________________ =


What types of printers are you folks using to print large plots and =

drafting output from your cad  programs.

I am using vectorworks on a mac and we are thinking about Wysiwyg next y=
ear and will be using a pc for that.  The art folks have a   24 inch wid=
e printer but they have archival inks and use it for digital prints.   A=
ny suggestions for a printer or plotter for at least 24 wide if not 36?
Thanks
Philip Johnson



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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:06:16 -0500
Subject: Re: need some help w/ a vectorworks file...
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C023B828.955F%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27898813 [at] prxy.net>

Too many???

OK.  I'll start charging.....
<<gg>>

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 2/23/06 1:24 PM, "Jason Cowperthwaite" <jasonclights [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Problem solved... thats why I love this list... too many generous and
> helpful people :)



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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:07:20 -0500
Subject: Multi cables and lift lines
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <C023B868.4812%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>

All,

Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!

An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.

Imagine a traditional proscenium theatre with a counter weight rigging
system. Pick a batten, any batten. Fly this batten into the deck, it's
lowest position. Hang a bunch of lights on it. Scramble up the grid and drop
a collection of electrical circuits down through the grid to the batten so
the bottom end of the circuits are now at the same height off the deck.
Secure the grid-end of these circuits to the grid. Stop and load the arbor
while you're there. Prance back down to the deck and connect all of the
circuits to your lights and secure the bottom ends to the batten. Voila, we
have an "electric".

Now fly the batten out to it's trim height. The resultant loop of electrical
cable hanging down is what I am combating. Here are the two solutions we
have come up with. Both have drawbacks. I prefer option 2 and am looking to
improve it.

Option 1. Once the electric is at it's trim height. Run back up to the grid.
Pull up all of the excess cable. Re-secure it to the grid. Keeping in mind
that you have now effectively dead-hung your batten. If you need to bring it
in for any reason this involves a trip to the grid to let the circuits back
in, fly it in, do the maintenance, whatever, fly it back to trim, pull up he
excess and re-secure the circuits. I'm looking for a solution that allows me
to move the batten more easily.

Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and, using
some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from the
batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with it and
the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside is that
with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.

The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some of
the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable from
one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift line.
Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.

I don't ask much do I?

We have a couple tricks we use but I am not terribly enamored with them.

Any suggestions?

Thank you!

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:07:20 -0500
Subject: Multi cables and lift lines
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <C023B868.4812%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>

All,

Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!

An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.

Imagine a traditional proscenium theatre with a counter weight rigging
system. Pick a batten, any batten. Fly this batten into the deck, it's
lowest position. Hang a bunch of lights on it. Scramble up the grid and drop
a collection of electrical circuits down through the grid to the batten so
the bottom end of the circuits are now at the same height off the deck.
Secure the grid-end of these circuits to the grid. Stop and load the arbor
while you're there. Prance back down to the deck and connect all of the
circuits to your lights and secure the bottom ends to the batten. Voila, we
have an "electric".

Now fly the batten out to it's trim height. The resultant loop of electrical
cable hanging down is what I am combating. Here are the two solutions we
have come up with. Both have drawbacks. I prefer option 2 and am looking to
improve it.

Option 1. Once the electric is at it's trim height. Run back up to the grid.
Pull up all of the excess cable. Re-secure it to the grid. Keeping in mind
that you have now effectively dead-hung your batten. If you need to bring it
in for any reason this involves a trip to the grid to let the circuits back
in, fly it in, do the maintenance, whatever, fly it back to trim, pull up he
excess and re-secure the circuits. I'm looking for a solution that allows me
to move the batten more easily.

Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and, using
some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from the
batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with it and
the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside is that
with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.

The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some of
the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable from
one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift line.
Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.

I don't ask much do I?

We have a couple tricks we use but I am not terribly enamored with them.

Any suggestions?

Thank you!

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43FE4E16.4040906 [at] StudioOneSB.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:06:46 -0500
From: Richard Bakos <Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com>
Organization: Studio One Inc.
Subject: Re: Major Corporation (brand name)
References: <list-27871460 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27871460 [at] prxy.net>

What year was your building built? That's usually the hint.  I worked in 
a TV studio from early sixties and they had ground out twists.

Nancy Moeur wrote:

>Does anyone know when the Major Corporation (out of Crystal Lake, IL) might 
>have been in business?  I have some raceways in one of our theatres made by 
>them--they have non-NEMA 20A twist-lock flush-mount female connectors--and I'm 
>trying to make a stab at when they might have been installed.
>

-- 

Richard Bakos

President 

Studio One Inc.

25833 State Road 2

South Bend, In 46619-4736

VOICE 574-232-9084

FAX   574-232-2220

Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com <mailto:Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com>

www.StudioOnesb.com

 


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:26:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Multi cables and lift lines
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C023BCF9.956C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>

Damn.  I'm tired just reading this post.  Too many trips to the grid.

If you go with option 2 you "might" try using a fist grip to attach to the
lift line.  It won't damage the wire rope but, depending on the weight of
the power feed(s), the fist grip might slip.

Another option is to tie a rope around the power feeds, run that rope up to
the grid, through a loft block (grooved for rope, of course) and hang a sand
bag on the other side.  That way, when the electric goes up, so doe the
power feed.  The sand bag, being on the other end of the rope, lowers.  You
would have to mess with it a bit at first to get the rope tied off in the
right place, but once you had it figured out it's pretty easy to rig.

Not sure how much to charge for this one....

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 2/23/06 7:07 PM, "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> All,
> 
> Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!
> 
> An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.
> 
> Imagine a traditional proscenium theatre with a counter weight rigging
> system. Pick a batten, any batten. Fly this batten into the deck, it's
> lowest position. Hang a bunch of lights on it. Scramble up the grid and drop
> a collection of electrical circuits down through the grid to the batten so
> the bottom end of the circuits are now at the same height off the deck.
> Secure the grid-end of these circuits to the grid. Stop and load the arbor
> while you're there. Prance back down to the deck and connect all of the
> circuits to your lights and secure the bottom ends to the batten. Voila, we
> have an "electric".
> 
> Now fly the batten out to it's trim height. The resultant loop of electrical
> cable hanging down is what I am combating. Here are the two solutions we
> have come up with. Both have drawbacks. I prefer option 2 and am looking to
> improve it.
> 
> Option 1. Once the electric is at it's trim height. Run back up to the grid.
> Pull up all of the excess cable. Re-secure it to the grid. Keeping in mind
> that you have now effectively dead-hung your batten. If you need to bring it
> in for any reason this involves a trip to the grid to let the circuits back
> in, fly it in, do the maintenance, whatever, fly it back to trim, pull up he
> excess and re-secure the circuits. I'm looking for a solution that allows me
> to move the batten more easily.
> 
> Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and, using
> some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from the
> batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with it and
> the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside is that
> with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.
> 
> The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some of
> the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable from
> one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift line.
> Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.
> 
> I don't ask much do I?
> 
> We have a couple tricks we use but I am not terribly enamored with them.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you!



------------------------------

From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2dd.2cd7bba.312fae63 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:33:39 EST
Subject: Re: bedbugs?

I don't know about plays, but "Meeting News"  magazine has an article today 
about the upswing in the numbers of hotels  and meeting venues with them and 
cites a January CNN website post. 

Seems  global travel has made them more common and they are now "roaming into 
movie  theatres, college dorm rooms and health clubs". 

It's a jungle out there.  

Kristi  


------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV622A096E2C8F59887A847DFF30 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Laura McMeley" <LMcMeley [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: Multi cables and lift lines
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:35:43 -0600
Message-ID: <00ba01c638da$3f187030$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01>
In-reply-to: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>

In our house they spot a line from the grid. One end is attached to a
convenient point on the loop of cable, the other end is run to the fly rail
and tied off. Then if we need to bring in the electric, the guy on the fly
rail first lowers in the rope with the cable loop and then flies in the
electric. All the loops of course, come off that side of the electric.

Laura McMeley
Lighting Coordinator
The Dallas Opera
972-333-5016

> 
> The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some of
> the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable from
> one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift
> line.
> Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.
> --
> Curtis L. Mortimore
> Technical Director
> Ball State University
> Department of Theatre and Dance
> Muncie, IN 47306
> <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


------------------------------

Message-ID: <43FE577B.6090801 [at] peak.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:46:51 -0800
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: Free paint source
References: <list-27905603 [at] prxy.net> <list-27906043 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-27906043 [at] prxy.net>

Mark O'Brien wrote:

> 
> In the West,
> 
> Dunn Edwards sells a recycled paint in either grey or off white.  It  is 
> from the odd paint mixes, and is quite good. It is cheap, but the  
> University pricing on their good stuff is cheaper.

For a while, so did our local waste recycling company They mixed latex 
colors together, ran 'em through an industrial strainer and repackaged 
them in five-gallon buckets; cheap to the public and free to nonprofits.

As anyone who's seen novices mix paint might predict, you got your 
choice of three hues: Off-white, institutional green and baby-poop brown.

We used to get it and use it for base-coating, if nothing else.

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org


------------------------------

Message-ID: <009601c638dd$16586ee0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic and Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] cableone.net>
References: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Multi cables and lift lines
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:56:03 -0700

In an installation I did in TN a few years back the electrics were fed
out of the wall opposite the headblock side.  I installed an extra
loftblock, off past the end of the electrics batten and ran an
additional wire (GAC) off the lineset clew to a sheaved cradle that
carried the electric cable.  at full extension (the batten at the deck)
the cradle was 3/4 of the way in. When the batten went to the grid, the
cradle went 50% or 1/4 from the grid with two swags of the electric
cable.   I remember I had to position (tie off) the end of the GAC
closer to the wall.  It looked very clumsy what with a ten inch sheave
at the cradle, but it worked.


Robert Riddle
Will Disagree for the Sake of Discussion
Will Discuss for the Sake of Learning


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Multi cables and lift lines


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> All,
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!
>
> An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.

> Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and,
using
> some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from
the
> batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with
it and
> the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside
is that
> with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.
>
> The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some
of
> the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable
from
> one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift
line.
> Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.
>


------------------------------

From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joe=20Golden?= <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Multi cables and lift lines
Date: 23 Feb 2006 16:56:46 -0800 
Message-ID: <auto-000027907371 [at] prxy.net>

Just charge a donation to LRLR.

Joe Golden
Sent from my Treo

-----Original Message-----
From:  Bill Sapsis 
Date:  2/23/06 4:27 pm
To:  Stagecraft
Subj:  Re: Multi cables and lift lines


Not sure how much to charge for this one....

Bill S.

------------------------------

Message-ID: <b7318c480602231659v63555cd7m1a4c23a79fbbf6b8 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:59:04 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Multi cables and lift lines
In-Reply-To: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>

If your power cable is on the opposite side of the stage from your
arbors, you could attach a 1/4" line to the grid, run it down and
around a small pulley that you attach to the power cable half way down
to the deck (I would use a prusik knot around the power cable for
this), then run the line back up and over a small spot block you place
on the grid, and finally attach this line to long lift cable using a
rolling hitch.  Now, when batten goes up and down, the middle of the
power cable is moved half the distance that the batten travels.

If your power cable is on the same side of the stage from your arbors,
hang a pulley under you head block and attach the end of the line to
the top of your arbor.

-Delbert

On 2/23/06, Curtis L. Mortimore <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> All,
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!
>
> An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.
>
> Imagine a traditional proscenium theatre with a counter weight rigging
> system. Pick a batten, any batten. Fly this batten into the deck, it's
> lowest position. Hang a bunch of lights on it. Scramble up the grid and d=
rop
> a collection of electrical circuits down through the grid to the batten s=
o
> the bottom end of the circuits are now at the same height off the deck.
> Secure the grid-end of these circuits to the grid. Stop and load the arbo=
r
> while you're there. Prance back down to the deck and connect all of the
> circuits to your lights and secure the bottom ends to the batten. Voila, =
we
> have an "electric".
>
> Now fly the batten out to it's trim height. The resultant loop of electri=
cal
> cable hanging down is what I am combating. Here are the two solutions we
> have come up with. Both have drawbacks. I prefer option 2 and am looking =
to
> improve it.
>
> Option 1. Once the electric is at it's trim height. Run back up to the gr=
id.
> Pull up all of the excess cable. Re-secure it to the grid. Keeping in min=
d
> that you have now effectively dead-hung your batten. If you need to bring=
 it
> in for any reason this involves a trip to the grid to let the circuits ba=
ck
> in, fly it in, do the maintenance, whatever, fly it back to trim, pull up=
 he
> excess and re-secure the circuits. I'm looking for a solution that allows=
 me
> to move the batten more easily.
>
> Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and, using
> some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from th=
e
> batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with it =
and
> the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside is t=
hat
> with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.
>
> The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some of
> the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable from
> one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift li=
ne.
> Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.
>
> I don't ask much do I?
>
> We have a couple tricks we use but I am not terribly enamored with them.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Curtis L. Mortimore
> Technical Director
> Ball State University
> Department of Theatre and Dance
> Muncie, IN 47306
> <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
>
>


--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

------------------------------

Message-ID: <b7318c480602231703i6ac646cche43c68ee524f7f01 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:17 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Multi cables and lift lines
In-Reply-To: <b7318c480602231659v63555cd7m1a4c23a79fbbf6b8 [at] mail.gmail.com>
References: <list-27906474 [at] prxy.net>
	 <b7318c480602231659v63555cd7m1a4c23a79fbbf6b8 [at] mail.gmail.com>

Notes to previous post:  By "a 1/4" line" I mean a 1/4" dia rope.  If
I were rigging this on the side near the arbor, I would probably use
1/8" GAC.

-Delbert

On 2/23/06, Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> If your power cable is on the opposite side of the stage from your
> arbors, you could attach a 1/4" line to the grid, run it down and
> around a small pulley that you attach to the power cable half way down
> to the deck (I would use a prusik knot around the power cable for
> this), then run the line back up and over a small spot block you place
> on the grid, and finally attach this line to long lift cable using a
> rolling hitch.  Now, when batten goes up and down, the middle of the
> power cable is moved half the distance that the batten travels.
>
> If your power cable is on the same side of the stage from your arbors,
> hang a pulley under you head block and attach the end of the line to
> the top of your arbor.
>
> -Delbert
>
> On 2/23/06, Curtis L. Mortimore <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu> wrote:
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/=
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Thank you all for your suggestions on the drop boxes!!
> >
> > An attempt at clarification on my lift-line vs. multi-cable question.
> >
> > Imagine a traditional proscenium theatre with a counter weight rigging
> > system. Pick a batten, any batten. Fly this batten into the deck, it's
> > lowest position. Hang a bunch of lights on it. Scramble up the grid and=
 drop
> > a collection of electrical circuits down through the grid to the batten=
 so
> > the bottom end of the circuits are now at the same height off the deck.
> > Secure the grid-end of these circuits to the grid. Stop and load the ar=
bor
> > while you're there. Prance back down to the deck and connect all of the
> > circuits to your lights and secure the bottom ends to the batten. Voila=
, we
> > have an "electric".
> >
> > Now fly the batten out to it's trim height. The resultant loop of elect=
rical
> > cable hanging down is what I am combating. Here are the two solutions w=
e
> > have come up with. Both have drawbacks. I prefer option 2 and am lookin=
g to
> > improve it.
> >
> > Option 1. Once the electric is at it's trim height. Run back up to the =
grid.
> > Pull up all of the excess cable. Re-secure it to the grid. Keeping in m=
ind
> > that you have now effectively dead-hung your batten. If you need to bri=
ng it
> > in for any reason this involves a trip to the grid to let the circuits =
back
> > in, fly it in, do the maintenance, whatever, fly it back to trim, pull =
up he
> > excess and re-secure the circuits. I'm looking for a solution that allo=
ws me
> > to move the batten more easily.
> >
> > Option 2.  Drop the circuits near one of the batten lift-lines and, usi=
ng
> > some device, attach them together about one third of the distance from =
the
> > batten to the grid. When the batten is flown out the circuits go with i=
t and
> > the resultant loop is above the batten and sight lines. The downside is=
 that
> > with our sneaky device we cannot fly the batten all the way out.
> >
> > The question is:  Does anyone have a preferred device to do this? Some =
of
> > the criteria are: Rated for this type of application. Easily movable fr=
om
> > one lift-line to the next. Cable friendly so as to not damage the lift =
line.
> > Fairly durable so that it could be re-used.
> >
> > I don't ask much do I?
> >
> > We have a couple tricks we use but I am not terribly enamored with them=
.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Curtis L. Mortimore
> > Technical Director
> > Ball State University
> > Department of Theatre and Dance
> > Muncie, IN 47306
> > <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Delbert L. Hall
> ZFX Flying Director
> Phone: 714-585-7070
>


--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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