Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 29868980; Tue, 02 May 2006 03:01:26 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #792 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 03:00:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #792 1. Glue Destroying Solvent?? by Ford Sellers 2. Re: Glue Destroying Solvent?? by 3. Re: Glue Destroying Solvent?? by Ford Sellers 4. Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by Jason Haislet 5. Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? by "Steven Haworth" 6. Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? by "Steven Haworth" 7. Drape Cleaning by "Rob Carovillano" 8. Re: Drape Cleaning by 9. Re: Drape Cleaning by SS 10. tour boxes by "Mike Burnett" 11. Sketch Up by SS 12. Mindless Banter by "Donald Robert Fox" 13. Re: tour boxes by Joe Golden 14. Re: Sketch Up by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: Drape Cleaning by "Frank E. Merrill" 16. Re: Sketch Up by "Steve Jones" 17. Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? by Greg Persinger 18. Re: Mindless Banter by "Frank E. Merrill" 19. Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: Drape Cleaning by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: Mindless Banter by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: Split Rail Fence ideas? by "G. D. George" 23. Re: Sketch Up by SS 24. Re: Mindless Banter by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 25. Re: Sketch Up by Pat Kight 26. Re: Mindless Banter by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Sketch Up by John McKernon 28. Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by "Scott Parker" 29. Re: Mindless Banter by "David Carrico" 30. Re: Mindless Banter by "David Carrico" 31. Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? by "Steven Haworth" 32. Re: Mindless Banter by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 33. Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by "Frank E. Merrill" 34. Re: Drape Cleaning by Barney Simon 35. Re: Mindless Banter by "Paul Schreiner" 36. Re: MAYOR'S WIFE FALLS INTO ORCHESTRA PIT... by CB 37. Re: Bluetooth by john hauer 38. Re: Sketch Up by "Donald Robert Fox" 39. Re: Drape Cleaning by doran [at] bard.edu 40. navigation assistance needed by Kate Daly 41. Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by "Mike Katz" 42. Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by Stuart Wheaton 43. Re: Drape Cleaning by Stuart Wheaton 44. Re: Bluetooth by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 45. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Mindless Banter by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 47. LDI '06 expenses by Michael Heinicke 48. Re: Bluetooth by Clive Mitchell 49. Re: Mindless Banter by "Bill Nelson" 50. Re: Mindless Banter by "Bill Nelson" 51. Re: Sketch Up by "Bill Nelson" 52. Re: Sketch Up by "Delbert Hall" 53. Re: Sketch Up by Kevin Lee Allen 54. Re: LDI '06 expenses by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 55. Re: Drape Cleaning by Steve Larson 56. Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by "Scott Parker" 57. Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 58. Re: tour boxes by Kate Daly 59. Re: Where to list scenic rentals... by Kate Daly 60. Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? by Jim Hyslop 61. Re: Sketch Up by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060501092212.0394ba38 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:38:29 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Glue Destroying Solvent?? In-Reply-To: References:

Oh list.... I'm looking for a substance that will allow me to remove Foam (was foam backed fabric--think something like car head liner) that has been glued to fiberglass. Peeling the liner itself off was not an issue as it has started to separate from the foam. PLEASE POST FROM ACTUAL EXPERIENCE ONLY. I understand that many of us will have ideas (LIghter fluid, acetone, etc), but am asking our Prop Brethren for suggestions born of experience. I will be using this in a Closed area. It will be an area that will need to be occupied after cleanup, so will need clean up and leave no smell. I'm considering Wallpaper Glue Solvent (Ya know that orange stuff that you use to peel Wallpaper), Soy~Strip or Ickee~Stickee. Googone Doesn't work well. Thoughts? -Ford ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Glue Destroying Solvent?? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Can you identify the adhesive as distinct from the foam? What removes one may not touch the other. Will the finished Fiberglas surface be recovered or will it need to be nice looking when done? Do you have a way to test various chemicals on small areas w/o too many fumes being released? Ventilate well!!!!!! w/ makeup and exhaust. I can tell you a horror story of foam back carpet that had been glued with contact cement to the treads and risers of an oak staircase and two landings. It was the single worst home renovation experience of my life ( a good friends, as well) The only thing that would get the gunk off was a mixture of acetone and methyl ethyl ketone. Even with appropriate PPDs and respirators, this is not a process for the faint of heart in 90 degree, humid weather. It took three days with scrapers and liberal applications of chemical stew to accomplish the job. Avoiding this kind of process should be done at all costs. Steve Rees -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ford Sellers Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:38 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Glue Destroying Solvent?? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Oh list.... I'm looking for a substance that will allow me to remove Foam (was foam backed fabric--think something like car head liner) that has been glued to fiberglass. Peeling the liner itself off was not an issue as it has started to separate from the foam. PLEASE POST FROM ACTUAL EXPERIENCE ONLY. I understand that many of us will have ideas (LIghter fluid, acetone, etc), but am asking our Prop Brethren for suggestions born of experience. I will be using this in a Closed area. It will be an area that will need to be occupied after cleanup, so will need clean up and leave no smell. I'm considering Wallpaper Glue Solvent (Ya know that orange stuff that you use to peel Wallpaper), Soy~Strip or Ickee~Stickee. Googone Doesn't work well. Thoughts? -Ford ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20060501101037.0383b230 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:13:08 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Glue Destroying Solvent?? In-Reply-To: References: Thanks Steve, The Adhesive is distinct from the Foam. It is going to be recovered. Has anyone used Ikee~Stikee, or SoySolve? ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060501141719.53800.qmail [at] web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Haislet Reply-To: lightheatre [at] yahoo.com Subject: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 So We made 4' X 14' Theatre Style Flats, with beveled 2x4's into center and 1x4 as toggles. Toggles were 2'6", 5'6", 8'0", and 12' or so. After cutting Mirror to size, 4'6" X 14'6" (leaving 3" over on both all sides) we shrunk with 2 heat guns. Lots of burns and holes. Took almost 5 weeks to do 8 mirrors. We had to redo one mirror three times because of how crappy it looked. so we have mounted on we have onto "slider" tracks. Rigging points hanging from curtain track. They have rewrinkled and had to be clamped to line up properly. A lot of torqueing and twisting. On a personal note I am HATING the stuff. And I what to know what other people think about it. Are these problems typical or not. Thank you for your feed-back Jason Haislet __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA217 [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" Thanks for all the replies! We are using 12/3 SOW cable everywhere, and the connectors are all 20a Bates stage pin. So, I guess it's ok to use portable fixtures and plugs, but it's still gotta be 'neat'. And since his definition of 'neat' is bridle rings instead of tie-line, I can just give in on that, for the moment. Seems we could argue about 'what is neat' for a long time, and it doesn't seem productive. As I said, he's retiring anyway in 9 mos, and given that w/o this inspection pass we can't use the space at all, I still plan to just run the stupid rings. Thankfully, it's not that many lights. In fact, I may remove some non-critical fixtures and just add those back as normal stage lighting, somewhere down the road. =20 Thanks again everyone - what a great list! Heh heh... for what it's worth, this same inspector didn't even look inside our new dimming racks - a pair of ETC SR48 Sensors with an 800a 3-ph feed. One rack has only a dozen circuits in this first buildout phase, but it's really sloppy - wires run all over. Inside, some of the load lugs were broken and loose due to a sloppy install (the ETC rep found those, nearly had a heart attack, and repaired them himself). And even worse, a few of the 50a houselight circuits used (apparently) undersized wire, and the load-side conduits exiting the rack are physically very warm. I've got those dimmers pulled down (programmed w/voltage caps at the rack) just to avoid a fire - it scared the livin' daylights outta me! But neither issue bothered the inspector one bit - I doubt he even noticed. I've got a meeting setup tomorrow w/the electrical contractor and engineer to resolve those issues, but I get to be the one pushing to correct them. Go figure... I guess he inspects just what he knows. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA218 [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" >Can the lights be unplugged and moved? If they can, they are not >permanent. It doesn't matter whether they actually get moved or not. > >On the other hand, the inspector could require fixed outlets - into which >you plug the lights. That would be a good idea anyway - to=20 >minimize excess cable on the grid. Well, we do have fixed outlets - normal theatre distro - but not enough to avoid cable runs. And w/this first pass, that theatre distro isn't completely installed yet - we have only a few circuits available for now, w/a lot more coming later. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200605011525.k41FPW91001699 [at] mailgate.sju.edu> Reply-To: From: "Rob Carovillano" Subject: Drape Cleaning Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:25:28 -0400 Organization: Saint Joseph's University In-Reply-To: Our stage is also our shop... Is there a way for us to effectively clean our own drapes? We can only afford to have them sent out once a year, but they really need it between each production. I don't even know how the cleaning process works. Most of our product is Encore. Rob Carovillano Technical Director - Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drape Cleaning Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Cc: rcarovil [at] sju.edu If the goods are IFR, do they only need a good vacuuming or are they REALLY filthy. Can they come to the deck on a pipe and simply be done that way. Am not sure where St Joseph's is, but the is a company in Auburn, NY known as New York Fire-Shield that will come to you and do the job in house. They are primarily flameretarders but do the cleaning on-site preparatory to the FR treatment. www.nyfs.com HTH, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rob Carovillano Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:25 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Drape Cleaning For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Our stage is also our shop... Is there a way for us to effectively clean our own drapes? We can only afford to have them sent out once a year, but they really need it between each production. I don't even know how the cleaning process works. Most of our product is Encore. Rob Carovillano Technical Director - Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University rcarovil [at] sju.edu =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605010922j10d41ddeq8d5dc5405afbc6e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:22:44 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>>Our stage is also our shop... Is there a way for us to effectively clean our own drapes? We can only afford to have them sent out once a year, but they really need it between each production. I don't even know how the cleaning process works. Most of our product is Encore.<<<<< Unless your goods are ridiculously filthy (like Steve already mentioned), why not just give them a good vacuum? Sweep/mop the deck, plop down some sort of drop cloth (muslin works great. it leaves very little in the way of "misc. debris" that is often left from certain materials. one house I worked in had custom made panels of muslim that were roughly 4' wide and spanned the entire length of our grid. everytime a good was dropped all the way to the deck, we plunked one of these babies down. plus if we were just switching pipes, we just grabbed the ends and pulled it to where it was needed it. much cleaner and easier.), and back to the point.... grab your bestest shop-vac(s) (bristle-tip), person on the rail raises in accordance, and have at it!! My .02, HTH. -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Subject: tour boxes Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" As part of prepping for our semi-annual summer tour, I am building some new work boxes for our crew. I thought I'd ask you all for some ideas/dimensions/etc... for the ideal. I need 1 box to handle electrics/sound/carpentry and 2 for wardrobe (should carry costumes and supplies). Any ideas? If you have drawings for some, I can handle vectorworks or dwg files. =20 Thanks! MB ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre =20 Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service =20 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax =20 mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre =20 =20 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers =20 Galatians 6:9-10=20 =20 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) =20 ________________________________________________________________________ _ =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605010927l7d55469ax67d5d347af6f6142 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:27:57 -0400 From: SS Subject: Sketch Up Anybody out there played with this yet? Google decided to release (beta) a 3D drawing program. I goofed around with it briefly.... Eh. Time-waster, or valid-program? :)- http://sketchup.google.com/index.html -- SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Subject: Mindless Banter Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:04 +0000

My wife was wondering if any of you would hire somebody with last name of Macbeth to work in your theatres?

Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A.

USA-AEA-IALD

Asst. Professor of Design

University of the Incarnate Word

Dept. of Theatre Arts

------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joe=20Golden?= Subject: RE: tour boxes Date: 01 May 2006 09:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: Big castors and good drawer slides Joe Golden Sent from my Treo -----Original Message------ As part of prepping for our semi-annual summer tour, I am building some new work boxes for our crew. I thought I'd ask you all for some ideas/dimensions/etc... for the ideal. I need 1 box to handle electrics/sound/carpentry and 2 for wardrobe (should carry costumes and supplies). Any ideas? If you have drawings for some, I can handle vectorworks or dwg files. Thanks! MB ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers Galatians 6:9-10 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) ________________________________________________________________________ _ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c66d3e$f2355820$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Sketch Up Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:47:34 -0700 > Anybody out there played with this yet? > > Google decided to release (beta) a 3D drawing program. I goofed around > with it briefly.... I like SketchUp quite a lot... plus, I have several licenses for my school - the kids like it, but haven't really pushed it to its limits like I do. There are some frustrating things to it, such as when you start to get very complicated or precise (which it CAN handle precision - it's not just a toy). I haven't played with things like trying to export DWGs or anything - I just use it to "whip up" models for designs. I have some examples on my website - "The World Goes Round." I don't have a page for it, but I have a design of "Rumors" (which is for rent!) with which I did up a model in SU, so I could show how the set looked form several angles, plus how it works (the whole turning around thing). It was also very helpful to be able to do up color exploded isometrics to show how the stairs are assembled, etc... I get rave reviews from TDs and carps for having colored, textured exploded views of complicated parts right on the construction drawings. It's not a CAD package (though it has precision), and it's not an animation program (though you can do 'slide show' type animation - pseudo-keyframe anim for the camera only) - and it's only got one light: El Sol. (But you can do great animation things by varying the time of day, the month, day, etc...) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:58:00 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <25662946.20060501125800 [at] tcon.net> Cc: rcarovil [at] sju.edu Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Monday, May 1, 2006, Rob Carovillano wrote: > Is there a way for us to effectively clean our own drapes? A lot of the stuff that stage curtains collect is three-dimensional stuff that can be shaken out of the curtains. Start with a clean floor and shake the bejeebers out of the fabric while it is hanging. Don't look up into the falling dust stream, and remember to shampoo well that night. Most of y'all out there probably aren't old enough to remember Spring cleaning at Grandma's house, where the kids' chore was to haul the rugs out into the back yard, sling them over a rope Grandpa tied between two oak trees, and whap the dust outta the rugs with a wire doohickey that looked like a tennis racquet with a few extra pretzel twists installed. It is all the same principle. Icky stuff can be spot treated with waterless fabric cleaner which, by the way, makes me wonder what shiny pants lawyer was behind K2R being taken off the market? THat stuff was GREAT for spot cleaning velour! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200605011658.k41GwEsM029559 [at] omr4.networksolutionsemail.com> From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: Sketch Up Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:57:54 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: I've played with it a bit. Seems pretty valid for simple and quick visualization. I wouldn't use it for more than that. I wish it had a direction duplicate command. And it seems to often close openings you've "cut" in if you bring another square anywhere and touch the edge of the opening. Would be nice to be able to import scanned or custom created materials. Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org 1964 - The Tribute Friday, May 12, 2006, 7:00 PM -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of SS Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:28 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Sketch Up For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Anybody out there played with this yet? Google decided to release (beta) a 3D drawing program. I goofed around with it briefly.... Eh. Time-waster, or valid-program? :)- http://sketchup.google.com/index.html -- SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:58:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steven, If I were you I would contact the inspector and ask for a clarification on your bridle ring/tie line issues. Knowing what you know now about the code and this being a "portable" installation I would discuss that it is an industry acceptable standard to use tie line to support your cable from the grid. Explain that this is why SOW cable is required by code. Also apologize for the mess and clean it up. Let him know you prefer everything to be neat and tidy and you like to tie the cable every 5' or so. Agree with him that neatness counts and you blew it but want to correct it but by using a generally accepted industry standard method instead of bridle rings used for flex conduit and data cables. As for his short circuit concerns remind him the grid is grounded to structural steel as well as at each distro box and then at each fixture. Also this is another reason SOW cable is used. When you do this take it from a standpoint that you are trying to understand the code and need his help understanding why what you did doesn't meet the code. Be sure to have a code book in your hand when you are asking to show you have done your homework. Point out the information contained in Article 520 as chances are good he doesn't even know it exists. You can never argue and win with an inspector but you can always gently try to educate him and show you are trying to follow the rules and possibly win in the end. You wrote: >Go figure... I guess he inspects just what he knows. Yes I have found this to be very true. If he doesn't understand about the dimming so he just looked at the conduit going into it and thought it looked OK and moved on. He saw your sloppy cables and that bugged him. My experience has been that the neater your install the less the inspector looks closely at your work. He figures that if you are very neat that you take a lot of pride in your work and you must know what you are doing. No this is not always true (the knowing what you are doing part) but since the inspector doesn't know about it he makes that assumption. Good luck! Greg Persinger on 5/1/06 10:09 AM, Steven Haworth at sjh [at] idm.com wrote: > Thanks for all the replies! > > We are using 12/3 SOW cable everywhere, and the connectors are all 20a > Bates stage pin. So, I guess it's ok to use portable fixtures and > plugs, but it's still gotta be 'neat'. And since his definition of > 'neat' is bridle rings instead of tie-line, I can just give in on that, > for the moment. Seems we could argue about 'what is neat' for a long > time, and it doesn't seem productive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:00:52 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <631180749.20060501130052 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Mindless Banter In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy !

Monday, May 1, 2006, Donald Robert Fox wrote:

My wife was wondering if any of you would hire someb= ody with last name of Macbeth to work in your theatres?

OMIGOSH! What if the potential employee had the nasty habit of whi= stling while he worked too?

Best regards,

Frank E. Merrill

MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT

Indianapolis

Established 1946

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------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <256.a01b7e7.31879a9e [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:08:46 EDT Subject: Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 In a message dated 01/05/06 15:18:04 GMT Daylight Time, lightheatre [at] yahoo.com writes: > On a personal note > > I am HATING the stuff. And I what to know what > other people think about it. Are these problems > typical or not. You need to use heat guns with very great care. Even the miniature ones used for heat-shrink sleeving are hot enough to light a cigar, as I used to demonstrate before the smoking ban. Their bigger brothers ae just as hot, but deliver more air. The main thing I use mine for is lighting barbecues. When I was making a mirror for a back-projection rig, I used an ordinary domestic har dryer to shrink the film. A few wrinkles, but not enough to worry about, although I did have to buy my wife a new one. Maybe a domestic fan heater wold do, as it is a very broad air stream. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <252.a2e35e6.31879d34 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:19:48 EDT Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning In a message dated 01/05/06 18:14:22 GMT Daylight Time, Lamplighter [at] tcon.net writes: > Most of y'all out there probably aren't old enough to remember Spring > cleaning at Grandma's house, where the kids' chore was to haul the > rugs out into the back yard, sling them over a rope Grandpa tied > between two oak trees, and whap the dust outta the rugs with a wire > doohickey that looked like a tennis racquet with a few extra pretzel > twists installed. It is all the same principle. I was going to make the same suggestion. I do this, in reverse, with my doormats, beating them against a brick wall. It gets out an amazing amount of stuff, which has penetrated right to the backing. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <253.a00b921.31879ef3 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:27:15 EDT Subject: Re: Mindless Banter How is it that some people can push HTML through the attachment filter? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Split Rail Fence ideas? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c66d44$fdcbe680$4dbb85cd [at] cms100384> In-Reply-To: Splitting them is easy with a sledge and a wedge... OTOH, you want seasoned timber. OTTH (on the third hand) you might take a drive and look at the local farmers' lots. They might let you borrow what you need if you hunker down and chew the fat with 'em fer awhile. G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Split Rail Fence ideas? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Aw, c'mon Curt. Where's your sense of humor? It's Friday. The sun is shining. It's Spring and Herrick is about to tell us which two he gets. Life is good. Seriously, though. You said it's a small section and that you didn't want to go to the big box stores. OK. So you're going to go buy some wood from a local lumber yard and make it yourself. I'd check in with a local tree trimming company and see if you can get any boughs from them. Splitting them isn't that difficult if you have the right tools. Or you could make something out of foam and paint it. But I'm thinking it's more work than you need for this project and the toxic smoke in the event of a fire would cause the actors to jump into the pit. And don't tell me burning foam isn't toxic. It is too! I may have messed up with the galvanized welding stuff (and I still think I was sorta kanda right) but I know that foam smoke is baaaad. Zat help?? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 4/28/06 4:47 PM, "Flowers, Curt" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Wood > > Zat help? > ------------------ > > Not at all. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605011033x79eee678lcdd947a751c31b92 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:33:35 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Sketch Up In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>I've played with it a bit. Seems pretty valid for simple and quick visualization. I wouldn't use it for more than that. I concur. I just goofed around and explored more of it's functions. It is definitely a good "quick & dirty" program. Haven't had much time to figure out how "specific" it can get, but it doesn't seem like you can. Maybe wrong though, since I haven't been *really* getting into it. But as far as whipping up simple models (like Jon mentioned) it seems pretty snappy/snazzy. :) -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Mindless Banter Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c66d46$ff4fb570$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > How is it that some people can push HTML through the > attachment filter? They're wearing proper footwear, have stage managers, and are not smoking. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44564AEC.6020708 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:52:44 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Sketch Up References:

In-Reply-To: SS wrote: >>>>> I've played with it a bit. Seems pretty valid for simple and > > quick visualization. I wouldn't use it for more than that. > > I concur. I just goofed around and explored more of it's functions. It > is definitely a good "quick & dirty" program. Haven't had much time to > figure out how "specific" it can get, but it doesn't seem like you > can. Maybe wrong though, since I haven't been *really* getting into > it. But as far as whipping up simple models (like Jon mentioned) it > seems pretty snappy/snazzy. > :) Actually, Sketch-up is a pretty impressive 3-D modeling tool that's been around for a while in a very expensive professional version. Google bought them out a couple of months ago, and what they've released in free beta is a much stripped-down version of the software. The real thing is here: http://www.sketchup.com/?sid=369 Of particular interest to this list: the Pro version has some nifty modeling/lighting tools designed specifically for stage and film designers. I spent a couple of SketchUp Pro, and thought it showed a lot of promise, but I don't do enough design to justify paying $495 for the software. Those of you in academic theater might want to look at their educational pricing, though. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <226.9c723f5.3187a79a [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:04:10 EDT Subject: Re: Mindless Banter In a message dated 01/05/06 18:46:47 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > How is it that some people can push HTML through the > > attachment filter? > > They're wearing proper footwear, have stage managers, and are not smoking. Cheeky! I know, the temptation comes on you, and you succumb. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:06:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Sketch Up From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Actually, Sketch-up is a pretty impressive 3-D modeling tool that's been > around for a while in a very expensive professional version. Google > bought them out a couple of months ago, and what they've released in > free beta is a much stripped-down version of the software. There are also plug-ins for ArchiCAD, VectorWorks, and AutoDesk products. The plug-ins have varying capabiliies depending on what program they're used with. For instance, using the VectorWorks plug-in you can bring the SketchUp model into VW's 3D space. For details, go to: http://www.sketchup.com/?sid=37 - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605011107p6af59c81l8b7d6818b82e4fe0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:07:10 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. Greetings All, I'm working on designing a projection screen that can raise up from inside a box via remote. I have a cabinet that I can hide a container behind for hiding a screen. Some particulars. The screen needs to be about 7-8 feet wide and about 4-5 feet tall. The bottom of the screen needs to be about 24" high. Or, just inches above its own storage box. The space for the box can be up to 6"-8" deep by about 24" high by about 8' wide. The mechanism to lift the top of the screen could lift either the screen's normal pull down rod, OR it could lift the roller housing itself. Lifting speed is not really an issue. I thought about a screw drive, but I do not wish to see the screw when the screen is down. Perhaps a screw drive attached to a lever system. Any help and/or suggestions would be most welcome. Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0605011123m12e23431red20431c80d35d76 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:23:02 -0400 From: "David Carrico" Subject: Re: Mindless Banter In-Reply-To: References: Yes, and I would call him by his first name every time I saw him....> > My wife was wondering if any of you would hire somebody with last name of > Macbeth to work in your theatres? > -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0605011123k508364a2v7572e7c5c47847a6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:23:45 -0400 From: "David Carrico" Subject: Re: Mindless Banter In-Reply-To: <1964cf3b0605011123m12e23431red20431c80d35d76 [at] mail.gmail.com> References: <1964cf3b0605011123m12e23431red20431c80d35d76 [at] mail.gmail.com> Sorry, that should read "...I would call him by his LAST name every time...= " On 5/1/06, David Carrico wrote: > Yes, and I would call him by his first name every time I saw him....> > > > My wife was wondering if any of you would hire somebody with last name = of > > Macbeth to work in your theatres? > > > -- > Dave Carrico > New York Metropolitan Area > -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA223 [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" Thanks Greg - great advice (and thanks esp to Mitch as well). I'll pass this on to the church's main guy, since he's the one dealing personally w/the inspector. Thanks again - I really appreciate it. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf=20 >Of Greg Persinger >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:59 AM >To: Stagecraft >Subject: Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > >--------------------------------------------------- > >Steven, > >If I were you I would contact the inspector and ask for a=20 >clarification on >your bridle ring/tie line issues. > >Knowing what you know now about the code and this being a "portable" >installation I would discuss that it is an industry acceptable=20 >standard to >use tie line to support your cable from the grid. Explain that=20 >this is why >SOW cable is required by code. > >Also apologize for the mess and clean it up. Let him know you prefer >everything to be neat and tidy and you like to tie the cable=20 >every 5' or so. >Agree with him that neatness counts and you blew it but want=20 >to correct it >but by using a generally accepted industry standard method=20 >instead of bridle >rings used for flex conduit and data cables. > >As for his short circuit concerns remind him the grid is grounded to >structural steel as well as at each distro box and then at=20 >each fixture. >Also this is another reason SOW cable is used. > >When you do this take it from a standpoint that you are trying=20 >to understand >the code and need his help understanding why what you did=20 >doesn't meet the >code. Be sure to have a code book in your hand when you are=20 >asking to show >you have done your homework. Point out the information=20 >contained in Article >520 as chances are good he doesn't even know it exists. > >You can never argue and win with an inspector but you can=20 >always gently try >to educate him and show you are trying to follow the rules and=20 >possibly win >in the end. > >You wrote: >>Go figure... I guess he inspects just what he knows. > >Yes I have found this to be very true. If he doesn't=20 >understand about the >dimming so he just looked at the conduit going into it and=20 >thought it looked >OK and moved on. He saw your sloppy cables and that bugged him. > >My experience has been that the neater your install the less=20 >the inspector >looks closely at your work. He figures that if you are very=20 >neat that you >take a lot of pride in your work and you must know what you=20 >are doing. No >this is not always true (the knowing what you are doing part)=20 >but since the >inspector doesn't know about it he makes that assumption. > >Good luck! > >Greg Persinger > > >on 5/1/06 10:09 AM, Steven Haworth at sjh [at] idm.com wrote: > >> Thanks for all the replies! >>=20 >> We are using 12/3 SOW cable everywhere, and the connectors=20 >are all 20a >> Bates stage pin. So, I guess it's ok to use portable fixtures and >> plugs, but it's still gotta be 'neat'. And since his definition of >> 'neat' is bridle rings instead of tie-line, I can just give=20 >in on that, >> for the moment. Seems we could argue about 'what is neat' for a long >> time, and it doesn't seem productive. > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Mindless Banter Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c66d4d$136e1a50$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > They're wearing proper footwear, have stage managers, and are not > > smoking. > > Cheeky! I know, the temptation comes on you, and you succumb. Some temptations are irresistible, even if one were inclined to try.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:32:06 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <493835743.20060501143206 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, May 1, 2006, Scott Parker wrote: > I'm working on designing a projection screen that can raise up from > inside a box via remote. Da-Lite makes a variety of such screens under the trade name "Ascender Electrol." Check it out at http://www.dalite.com/products/product.php?cID=34&pID=226 Why Yes! As a matter of fact I CAN sell one to you! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4456575E.8030208 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:45:50 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning References: In-Reply-To: Rob Carovillano wrote: > Most of our product is Encore. > The Encore is IFR (or DFR). If vacuuming does not do the trick, light soap and water should work. This is ASSUMING that you have sent them out already. I would be careful about the dye changing if they have never been fully cleaned. Also, a note to check that you are not paying for re-FR-treating the fabric. The plant I use does not have a two tier pricing system, which bothers me: Why should I pay for dry cleaning AND FR-treatment if the FR treatment is not required? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Mindless Banter Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C47 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Cheeky! I know, the temptation comes on you, and you succumb.=20 I think I speak for many of us here when I say that we can resist anything except temptation... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060501121139.00d3b868 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:11:39 From: CB Subject: Re: MAYOR'S WIFE FALLS INTO ORCHESTRA PIT... >she's the girl who says something like the >house is white "on this side but might not be on the other. 'Fai rWitness', not juror. They are supposedly impartial in their professional witnessing. Sort of the 'Notary Public' of Heinlein's world. I just re-read the re-released entire re-tome (it was released with about 70,000 words edited out) adn so it is a bit fresh in my mind. I think that the one that you are speaking of is one of Jubal's 'secretaries', Anne. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060501191034.51927.qmail [at] web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john hauer Subject: Re: Bluetooth In-Reply-To: You all make good points. The Bluetooth should not be causing the RF. None the less, when the offending phone was removed, so was the RF. We do not run other wireless devices except for Sony digital wireless mics. They do not have any problems. Perhaps this is a limited to one device. That is why I posed the question. It is not a bad policy to not have phones (as a distraction) in the booth anyway. AND, the problem has not repeated since we got rid of (all) the phones. BTW, the offending RF affected the clearcom system. Maybe when I'm feeling adventurous, I'll invite many phones in for a test. Personally, my (old) phone does not get reception inside the building. John >This surpises me! Bluetooth is very low power >2.4Ghz. I would only expect >noticeable interference if (1) a Bluetooth device is >operating out of spec >(or never really met spec), or (2) the equipment >being interfered with is overly sensitive. >What's goin' on? Do tell more... >Jim www.theatrewireless.com > Has anyone noticed the RF from Bluetooth devices? > > We now have "No Bluetooth In The Booth" rule. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Subject: RE: Sketch Up Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:34:10 +0000

I have played it with it a few times. Definately not a time waster and compatible with vectorworks.

Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A.

USA-AEA-IALD

Asst. Professor of Design

University of the Incarnate Word

Dept. of Theatre Arts

From:  SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject:  Sketch Up
Date:  Mon, 1 May 2006 12:27:57 -0400
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Anybody out there played with this yet?

Google decided to release (beta) a 3D drawing program. I goofed around
with it briefly....

Eh.

Time-waster, or valid-program?   :)-

http://sketchup.google.com/index.html

-- SS
TTS-EKU

"Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. "

------------------------------ Message-ID: <1146512848.445665d04423c [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:47:28 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning References:

In-Reply-To: Rob, Have you tried a flogging stick? You can build one by taking a 2'-3' chunk of broomstick, taping about 3-4' of muslin at one end, wrapping around and around. Then you cut 2" strips from the free end of the muslin, down to near the stick. You should end up with something that looks like a cat o' nine tails. Making contact with the fabric, not the stick, whack those curtains. Whack 'em like a flagellant. Many a glancing blow, starting at the top, and you'll get most of your dust off. Overlap your strokes, though. Otherwise you'll see the edges of your dust. It's low tech, but it should keep you clean between cleanings. Good luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Quoting "Frank E. Merrill" : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Monday, May 1, 2006, Rob Carovillano wrote: > > > Is there a way for us to effectively clean our own drapes? > > A lot of the stuff that stage curtains collect is three-dimensional > stuff that can be shaken out of the curtains. Start with a clean > floor and shake the bejeebers out of the fabric while it is hanging. > Don't look up into the falling dust stream, and remember to shampoo > well that night. > > Most of y'all out there probably aren't old enough to remember Spring > cleaning at Grandma's house, where the kids' chore was to haul the > rugs out into the back yard, sling them over a rope Grandpa tied > between two oak trees, and whap the dust outta the rugs with a wire > doohickey that looked like a tennis racquet with a few extra pretzel > twists installed. It is all the same principle. > > Icky stuff can be spot treated with waterless fabric cleaner which, by > the way, makes me wonder what shiny pants lawyer was behind K2R being > taken off the market? THat stuff was GREAT for spot cleaning velour! > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com > > Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 > mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060501145709.02c45b00 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:07:07 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: navigation assistance needed In-Reply-To: References: <1964cf3b0605011123m12e23431red20431c80d35d76 [at] mail.gmail.com> Hi all- I'll be driving the artistic director of the Garden State Music Festival from northern NJ to Delaware later this week, in order that he can make an 8 a.m. call for a live broadcast interview on CN8. (And let it never be said there's anything I won't do for the A.D.) We're allowing three hours to drive from West Orange NJ to New Castle, Delaware at rush hour with one scheduled coffee-&-potty break. Now, I was born with absolutely no bump of location, but I can however read a map. Does anyone here know the New Castle area, and could alert me to anything I need to know about how to negotiate the area, traffic-wise? -Kate ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180605011324r46d5dc22y38857fbbce40eb8f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:24:31 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Subject: Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 In-Reply-To: References: Jason, Two ideas as to why the system is fighting you, 1. To shrink the mirror, lots of even heat is the key and that only works if you are able to stretch the material really smoothly in the first place. 2. Choosing to use 2x4 probably is btiing you in the rear end, Unless you were able to get clear pine 2x, construction grade fir/ spruce 2x just will not stay square & flat enough to get the unit to work. This is one project that requires premium materials and construction from start to finish, but you discovered that already. There are times we can and should use 2x4 in the theater but they are few and far between. Mike snip We made 4' X 14' Theatre Style Flats, with beveled > 2x4's into center and 1x4 as toggles. Toggles were > 2'6", 5'6", 8'0", and 12' or so. Snip They have > rewrinkled and had to be clamped to line up properly. > A lot of torqueing and twisting. > Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445682E6.7080702 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:51:34 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 References: In-Reply-To: Jason Haislet wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So > We made 4' X 14' Theatre Style Flats, with beveled > 2x4's into center and 1x4 as toggles. Toggles were > 2'6", 5'6", 8'0", and 12' or so. After cutting > Mirror to size, 4'6" X 14'6" (leaving 3" over on both > all sides) we shrunk with 2 heat guns. Lots of burns > and holes. Took almost 5 weeks to do 8 mirrors. We > had to redo one mirror three times because of how > crappy it looked. When we did this before, we built a hardcover flat with a lot of 2x2 structure on the back (some of this was for scenic effect), but make this sucker STIFF! On the edges of the face of the lauan covered side we put down 3/4" quarter round moldings, with the round side inward, and stretched the mirror film over this. This gives a crisp edge and air space under the mirror. Heat guns are fine but require extreme care. Pre-stretch the mirror as well as you can before heating. The shrink mirror we used was a pretty heavy vinyl type material, and we learned to stay quite far off the surface and be patient with wrinkles, gently wafting the heat over the smallest parts and working toward the worst parts. This means that as the heat builds up in the material, it is building up where it will do you the most good, not the most harm. The stuff requires patience, and practice, and a good stiff substrate. I suspect that your problem was largely caused because the frame was pulling in as the mirror tried to shrink. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44568401.6040403 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:56:17 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning References: In-Reply-To: Rob Carovillano wrote: > Our stage is also our shop... I wouldn't hang curtains in my shop. If I needed curtains, I'd hang them last and strike them first. Get a few hampers and unless you need them on stage, put your soft goods where they stay clean in the first place. Stuart ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Bluetooth Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <009101c66d6a$08873f00$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > BTW, the offending RF affected the clearcom system. I remain very curious! Hoping you might quickly tell us: What kind of interference? Clicking? Noise that resembled the sound of a modem? Wideband noise, like white noise, hissing? Or was the Bluetooth device somehow jamming the Intercom, causing loss of signal? What Clearcom model? Analog or digital? What frequency does it operate in? Details are great appreciated! Thanks, Jim www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3f3.118b4db.3187e316 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:17:58 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 01/05/06 19:24:44 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com writes: > There are also plug-ins for ArchiCAD, VectorWorks, and AutoDesk products. > The plug-ins have varying capabiliies depending on what program they're used > with. For instance, using the VectorWorks plug-in you can bring the SketchUp > model into VW's 3D space. I am always slightly worried by all these dedign packages. I have been designing lighting, mostly in the same theatre, for forty years. By now, I think that I know what a lantern of this sort, in this position, and focussed so will do. I do this in my head, which contains a very powerful computer, and a lot of files on what has worked, and what has not. I also observe the world outside me, which also offers ideas. That is the nature of the craft, knowing what you can do with the means at your disposal, and the time. I should, for instance, love some colour changers for a lot of 1KW fresnels. But then, I ask myself how long it would take me to learn to drive them, and how much extra time it would thak to install the DMX lines. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3e1.11f75b4.3187e4ae [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:24:46 EDT Subject: Re: Mindless Banter In a message dated 01/05/06 20:56:42 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > I think I speak for many of us here when I say that we can resist > anything except temptation... I quote Occar Wilde. "What is the use of temptation, if no-one sucombs?"/ Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060501223043.14676.qmail [at] web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: LDI '06 expenses I am trying to put together some professional development options for the '06-'07 fiscal year. I would like to get a rough estimate of what LDI '06 will cost, but there is no price information on the website yet. Can someone give me an idea of what conference and hotel prices were for '05 so that I can get a ballpark figure? Thanks, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:43:03 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Bluetooth References:

In-Reply-To: In message , john hauer writes >None the less, when the offending phone was removed, so was the RF. Are you sure it was the bluetooth and not the phone intermittently calling into the network? Mobile phones communicate quite regularly with the network while on standby and tend to generate quite noticeable.. dit-da-dit-da-dit-da-dit noises on sensitive audio equipment. You shouldn't leave a mobile phone anywhere in the vicinity of a piece of critical electronic apparatus. On film and television sets the crews phones often have to be switched off completely and not left on silent, since it's possible for the interference to be picked up on the audio track. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3976.64.28.53.51.1146524318.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Mindless Banter From: "Bill Nelson" > My wife was wondering if any of you would hire somebody with last name of > Macbeth to work in your theatres? Sure, why not? The local theatre's previous TD was named MacBeth. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3984.64.28.53.51.1146524809.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Mindless Banter From: "Bill Nelson" > How is it that some people can push HTML through the > attachment filter? Most filters do not look at the actual contents of attachments. They examine the extension label and block anything with certain extensions, such as .exe. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4023.64.28.53.51.1146526796.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sketch Up From: "Bill Nelson" > I should, for instance, love some colour changers for a lot of 1KW fresnels. > But then, I ask myself how long it would take me to learn to drive them, and > how much extra time it would thak to install the DMX lines. Colo(u)r changers are trivial to operate. Even an old dinosaur like myself had no problem with them. It is not recommended, but I use the house snake to get my DMX signal from the board's second universe to the stage. I then use DMX cable from there to the various dimmers and changers that I install over the stage or in the wings. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:56:25 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Sketch Up In-Reply-To: References: Frank, Lets say that you can visualize in you head exactly what every lantern from every position in your theatre will accomplish. How do you communicate what is in YOUR head into the head of the director? Well, you could 1) hang all of the instruments, cue the show, and show each cue to the director, or 2) you could describe the look of each cue - great communicators can paint a picture with words; or 3) you could use a design package that quickly creates images that the director can see. Each of these methods has it own merits. In fact all then can be used in the communication process for a single show. Design packages are tools, nothing more. If you find them helpful in communicating your ideas to others (or visualizing options for yourself), then use them. If you don't find them useful, then you don't need them. There are lots of tools that I don't have or use, but that does not mean that someone else doesn't find them useful.=20 You should not have to worry about tools that YOU don't need. -Delbert > I am always slightly worried by all these dedign packages. I have been > designing lighting, mostly in the same theatre, for forty years. By now, = I think > that I know what a lantern of this sort, in this position, and focussed s= o will > do. I do this in my head, which contains a very powerful computer, and a = lot of > files on what has worked, and what has not. I also observe the world outs= ide > me, which also offers ideas. > > That is the nature of the craft, knowing what you can do with the means a= t > your disposal, and the time. I should, for instance, love some colour cha= ngers > for a lot of 1KW fresnels. But then, I ask myself how long it would take= me to > learn to drive them, and how much extra time it would thak to install the= DMX > lines. > > > Frank Wood > -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:14:24 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Sketch Up In-reply-to: Message-id: <45036320-771F-4A51-9467-B544D23FF13A [at] klad.com> References: think of these tools as either expensive paint brushes and/or tools =20 for communicating to others. They are not a replacement for pencils =20 =3D, eyes experience or basic knowledge. On May 1, 2006, at 6:17 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > I am always slightly worried by all these dedign packages. I have been > designing lighting, mostly in the same theatre, for forty years. By =20= > now, I think > that I know what a lantern of this sort, in this position, and =20 > focussed so will > do. I do this in my head, which contains a very powerful computer, =20 > and a lot of > files on what has worked, and what has not. I also observe the =20 > world outside > me, which also offers ideas. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: LDI '06 expenses Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c66d88$093eac80$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: The next LDI is in Las Vegas. Full conference passes usually run somewhere in the $400 to $500 range, and there are usually options for single-day passes as well, around $200 for the day. You will be able to get exhibition (tradeshow floor) passes for free, from me or various other exhibitors on this list, but they don't get you into seminars or conferences. I travel on a budget, and was able to find a decent hotel room in Orlando for $65/night, booked several months in advance. Vegas will probably cost more, but the Day's Inn and places like that are usually affordable. Or you could look for a cheap vacation package that overlaps the show -- sometimes they are very good deals. Jim www.theatrewireless.com > Can someone give me an > idea of what conference and hotel prices were for '05 so that > I can get a ballpark figure? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:27:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Amen. Steve > From: Stuart Wheaton > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:56:17 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Drape Cleaning > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rob Carovillano wrote: > >> Our stage is also our shop... > > I wouldn't hang curtains in my shop. > > If I needed curtains, I'd hang them last and strike them first. Get a > few hampers and unless you need them on stage, put your soft goods where > they stay clean in the first place. > > Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605011937r13ac4810gb1b748c59a9d2e7d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 22:37:31 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. In-Reply-To: References:

And my discount off the $6310 list price would be....? I think I'll continue to figure out a home made version... Thanks though. Scott On 5/1/06, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > > Why Yes! As a matter of fact I CAN sell one to you! > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > -- Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 02:50:16 +0000 Message-Id: <050220060250.18283.4456C8E80008780B0000476B21602813020E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> Dalite has screens that do what you want, think I saw one in the catalog the other day. Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Scott Parker" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings All, > I'm working on designing a projection screen that can raise up from > inside a box via remote. > I have a cabinet that I can hide a container behind for hiding a screen. > Some particulars. > The screen needs to be about 7-8 feet wide and about 4-5 feet tall. > The bottom of the screen needs to be about 24" high. Or, just inches > above its own storage box. > The space for the box can be up to 6"-8" deep by about 24" high by > about 8' wide. > > The mechanism to lift the top of the screen could lift either the > screen's normal pull down rod, OR it could lift the roller housing > itself. > > Lifting speed is not really an issue. > I thought about a screw drive, but I do not wish to see the screw when > the screen is down. Perhaps a screw drive attached to a lever system. > > Any help and/or suggestions would be most welcome. > > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060501224804.03e35568 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:51:58 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Re: tour boxes In-Reply-To: References: >Big castors and good drawer slides My dream tour box would have a few cubbyholes lined entirely with the receiving side of Velcro, so I could put strips of the sending side on things I needed to stash, and stash them neatly in a hurry without having to aim too carefully. -Kate ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060501225306.03e61720 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:54:41 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Re: Where to list scenic rentals... In-Reply-To: References: Try calling the licensing agency and see if they'll tell you who in your area might be planning on doing the show. >Does anyone know of anywhere on the Net where they could list the set >fir sale w/ photos? Sort of a scenic classified ads. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4456CA07.6060403 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:55:03 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Inspector woes - cable dressing on a grid? References: In-Reply-To: Greg Persinger wrote: > When you do this take it from a standpoint that you are trying to understand > the code and need his help understanding why what you did doesn't meet the > code. Be sure to have a code book in your hand when you are asking to show > you have done your homework. Point out the information contained in Article > 520 as chances are good he doesn't even know it exists. Be very careful - make sure it comes across the way Greg suggests, and not as "but the rule book says...." You don't want to come across as someone who's trying to show off a superior knowledge of the rules. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <229579.1146539369407.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Sketch Up Frank...... Well, if you can manage to set a channel at an exact value (warning, you'll probably want to use the keypad and not the slider for this) then you know how to "drive" a scroller. A Wybron ForeRunner, for example: 00, 07, 14, 21, etc. DMX lines: Only slightly more challenging than running power cable. Slightly. --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > >That is the nature of the craft, knowing what you can do with the means at >your disposal, and the time. I should, for instance, love some colour changers >for a lot of 1KW fresnels. But then, I ask myself how long it would take me to >learn to drive them, and how much extra time it would thak to install the DMX >lines. > > >Frank Wood ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #792 *****************************