Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 29895202; Wed, 03 May 2006 03:02:19 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, LONGWORDS,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #793 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:01:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #793 1. dmx lines by Judy 2. Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by Barney Simon 3. Summer Job by doran [at] bard.edu 4. Re: Summer Jobs posting for a friend (millbrook playhouse) by Herrick Goldman 5. Re: LDI '06 expenses by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 6. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by 7. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by 8. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 9. Re: Tour Boxes by 10. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by "Peter Scheu" 11. Re: Bluetooth by "Kurt Cypher" 12. Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 14. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. Re: Sketch Up by "Paul Schreiner" 16. sketch up by "Robert Napoli" 17. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: Sketch Up by Stephen Litterst 21. Re: Sketch Up by "Mike Burnett" 22. FT Job Opening--Props Supervisor at NYU by Mike Voytko 23. Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by CB 24. Re: tour boxes by CB 25. Simple Drafting / Design software by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 26. Re: Mindless Banter by CB 27. Re: Mindless Banter by "RD" 28. Re: Simple Drafting / Design software by "Patrick Immel" 29. Re: Simple Drafting / Design software by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 30. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: Sketch Up by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by Jim Hyslop 33. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by "Tom Heemskerk" 34. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by "Frank E. Merrill" 35. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 36. Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 by "Shawn King" 37. Kentucky by iaeg [at] aol.com 38. Re: Sketch Up by Stephen Litterst 39. Re: Sketch Up by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 40. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by Dale Farmer 41. Re: Mindless Banter by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 42. Re: Class for civilians WAS Re: MAYOR'S WIFE FALLS INTO ORCHESTRA PIT... by Bruce Purdy 43. Re: Simple Drafting / Design software by Greg Persinger 44. Re: Sketch Up by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <44574154.9000702 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:24:04 +0200 From: Judy Subject: dmx lines > > >DMX lines: Only slightly more challenging than running power cable. Slightly. > I dunno...some people find it hard to adjust to doing things that don't involve hard muscular labor! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445763B2.30603 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 09:50:42 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated jack chain or various weights of lead tape. As usual, the answer varies. 1.50 vs. 0.85; 1.22; or 1.57. BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers and end users, using the lead tape? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1146578187.4457650b79f02 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:56:27 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Summer Job Hey, all A friend of mine called me this morning with a request from a former student of hers. The Glove Theater in Gloversville, NY (Capitol District) is looking for a TD/Lights and Sound type for the Summer season. It's a 1914 Vaudville hemp house. Lots of up, not much wingspace. Mackie Sound controller, ETC Light board. Contact Roberta Powell Esposito Theater (518)773-8255 Cell (518)848-4724 glovead [at] yahoo.com She says she's out of her office a lot, so the cell is a better number for her. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:12:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Summer Jobs posting for a friend (millbrook playhouse) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It seems that time: The following is a list of the positions available at Milbrook Playhouse. Please pass this info. around as you see fit. Please also contact the theatre directly if you know of anyone is available and might be interested. COMPANY MANAGER PROPS MASTER STAGE MANAGER COSTUME DESIGNER They can be reached at (212) 579-0528. Please ask for Steve Sunderlind. The season runs from June 5th to August 13th. Milbrook Playhouse is in Mill Hull, PA. 3 1/2 Hours North west of New York City. You will be provided with Room and Board and Gym privileges. The season will include 4 Musicals and 4 Non-musicals and the opportunity to perform in an outdoor cabaret setting if you so wish. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 07:11:03 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: LDI '06 expenses In-reply-to: Message-id: <44576877.3080806 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: In my experience, Las Vegas is one of the least expensive venues for trade show attendance. Unless the show is gigantic and hotel rooms get scarce, rooms are pretty reasonable. We usually stay at the Sahara hotel and we pay $30-50 a night for weeknights. It's one monorail stop from the Convention Center, or a 10 minute walk. If a hotel thinks you are a frequent guest, they offer better deals on rooms, so sign up for your hotel's affinity card even if you're not much of a gambler. A good resource for finding deals and relatively unbiased information is www.cheapovegas.com Carla Jim at TheatreWireless.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The next LDI is in Las Vegas. > > Full conference passes usually run somewhere in the $400 to $500 range, and > there are usually options for single-day passes as well, around $200 for the > day. > > You will be able to get exhibition (tradeshow floor) passes for free, from > me or various other exhibitors on this list, but they don't get you into > seminars or conferences. > > I travel on a budget, and was able to find a decent hotel room in Orlando > for $65/night, booked several months in advance. Vegas will probably cost > more, but the Day's Inn and places like that are usually affordable. Or you > could look for a cheap vacation package that overlaps the show -- sometimes > they are very good deals. > > Jim > www.theatrewireless.com > > > >> Can someone give me an >> idea of what conference and hotel prices were for '05 so that >> I can get a ballpark figure? >> > > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com I thought that the lead weights were sewn into a muslin sleeve. That would seem to preclude health issues for the workers who fabricate the tapes themselves. Once in the drapes though, it would seem to be away from human physical contact and not be an issue. OTOH, here we typical PIPE the soft goods instead of using chain anyway. ;) When we do want pleated look, we do add chain because we have lots of it on hand. =20 Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Barney Simon Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:51 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Weight in Stage Drapes =3D Lead Tape vs. Chain For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated jack chain or various weights of lead tape. As usual, the answer varies. 1.50 vs. 0.85; 1.22; or 1.57. BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers=20 and end users, using the lead tape? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:43:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: SORRY! The first sentence of my initial reply is lacking the word EXCEPT after the word "issues". I inserted it below. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:37 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes =3D Lead Tape vs. Chain For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I thought that the lead weights were sewn into a muslin sleeve. That would seem to preclude health issues EXCEPT for the workers who fabricate the tapes themselves. Once in the drapes though, it would seem to be away from human physical contact and not be an issue. OTOH, here we typical PIPE the soft goods instead of using chain anyway. ;) When we do want pleated look, we do add chain because we have lots of it on hand. =20 Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Barney Simon Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:51 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Weight in Stage Drapes =3D Lead Tape vs. Chain For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated jack chain or various weights of lead tape. As usual, the answer varies. 1.50 vs. 0.85; 1.22; or 1.57. BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers=20 and end users, using the lead tape? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:38:23 +0000 Message-Id: <050220061538.4618.44577CEF000A962C0000120A2200761438010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > I thought that the lead weights were sewn into a muslin sleeve. That > would seem to preclude health issues for the workers who fabricate the > tapes themselves. Once in the drapes though, it would seem to be away > from human physical contact and not be an issue. A problem could arise as the drapes age. Many venues, particularly schools, tend to keep drapes until they fall apart. Since that could be 15 years or more after installation, the people who were around for the installation and any warnings about lead being in the drapes may be long gone and the issue may be forgotten. Randy Whitcomb Manager/TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01c66e00$1ec37860$0300a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re: Tour Boxes Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:50:21 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet I've built lots of tour boxes for myself. I've come up with a pretty snazzy system. My boxes are 2' wide, 3 1/2' or 4' long and 2' high. The first box is made out of 3/4 ply, the other two are made out of 1/4" ply. The 3/4" ply box gets really good casters (very important!), and is used as a tech box. The 1/4" Ply boxes don't get any casters and are used as costume boxes. Line these boxes with cheap carpet scrap. I've found the black auto carpet at the big box store is great for this. Also since they are costume boxes, buy some top rail from the fencing area of the hardware store, and a couple of joiners, angles...etc. Cut to dimensions you like and install inside for pop up costume racks, built right into the box! Drill holes on the short side and install rope handles. Then, stack all three boxes and install 2x4 brackets in the middle of the long side. A single 2x4 will then secure all three boxes and you only need to have one tie-down for the set. Depending on the height of your casters, all three boxes should roll right though any door. Kenneth Pogin PSM Minnesota Ballet ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:35:35 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <002401c66e06$70963870$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: As others have mentioned, the lead in the lead tape is enclosed in a = fabric sleeve, so there's no skin contact with it. And that sleeve is usually = sewn into another fabric pocket, so it's doubly enclosed. End-of-life = disposal is an issue, however, so that's enough for me not to specify it. Also, it actually could hurt a bit more if the curtain lands on your head = suddenly. A chain will "give" more, while the solid chunk of flat lead in the sleeve = may not. It seems to me that lead tape really has no real advantage over = chain. FWIW, I mostly specify extra wide flat masking goods with a pipe pocket = at the bottom, so that (like others have suggested) you get the flexibility = of either inserting a chain and tying in fullness, or using a bottom pipe = for a flat panel look. No one way is better than the other, as it's all production, venue use, and/or client driven. What ever works best for = them. I'm not in the business of telling my clients what to do, but with presenting them with all their options. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:55:14 -0400 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Bluetooth In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/1/06, Clive Mitchell wrote: > Are you sure it was the bluetooth and not the phone intermittently > calling into the network? Mobile phones communicate quite regularly > with the network while on standby and tend to generate quite > noticeable.. > dit-da-dit-da-dit-da-dit noises on sensitive audio equipment. I get these exact same results when my cell phone is too close to the powered speakers on my computer, or the tape cassette adapter I use with my iPod. It's kind of like a "Morse Code" message, almost. The noise on standby when it's checking the network isn't terribly noticeable if the phone is far enough away, but when a call comes in, or I dial out, it gets a lot worse. It does come in handy when I'm driving along and I don't hear my cell phone ringing, but I hear the "Morse Code" coming through the stereo speakers nice & loud, covering up whatever I'm listening to at the time. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Any help and/or suggestions would be most welcome. Scott, I don't know if this will help you or not - it won't extend as tall as you're looking for - but it's something to consider. For a "Rising" effect I had to create once, I used an electric radio antenna from a car. I went to "Pick 'n' Pull" (Our local auto salvage yard) and removed the antenna from an old car for just a couple of dollars. It's fairly compact when down, but by applying 12vdc (I actually just used a 9v battery and it worked fine), it will extend upward a surprising distance. Although it won't extend the 4 -5' you are looking for, perhaps you can find a way to make it work for you. If not, it's another idea to file away for a future project. ;-) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Projection screen up (motorized) from box.. Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601c66e11$f9ffad20$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: What a great suggestion! I think I'll add one to my RC4 demo system... Jim www.theatrewireless.com > electric radio antenna from a car. I went to "Pick 'n' Pull" > (Our local auto salvage yard) and removed the antenna from an > old car for just a couple of dollars. > > It's fairly compact when down, but by applying 12vdc (I > actually just used a 9v battery and it worked fine), it will > extend upward a surprising distance. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <244.ac9ed25.3188fd32 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:21:38 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 02/05/06 02:11:59 GMT Daylight Time, delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes: > Lets say that you can visualize in you head exactly what every lantern > from every position in your theatre will accomplish. How do you > communicate what is in YOUR head into the head of the director? Well, > you could 1) hang all of the instruments, cue the show, and show each > cue to the director, This is more or less the way of it. The director and I chat in the bar well beforehand, so that I know what is wanted. Then I hang and rough focus, and as soon as the cast is on the stage, I am showing the director states, and we discuss them after the rehearsal. Come the lighting tech, we define the states more closely, and get the actual cues sorted out. After that, it is in the hands of my operator to carry out the agreed cues, while I prowl round and round the theatre, looking for snags, and correcting them. I usually take the wired remote for the board down into the auditorium, so that I can check out any needed changes. It is an idiosyncrasy of mine that, although the remote will change and record changes, I never do this. I always restore things and make notes for later implementation. Do not forget that I work in a rather different theatre. We light from bridges, and I can fiddle with the focus, change a colour, even move a luminaire to a new position or rig an extra in less than five minutes. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Sketch Up Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:24:41 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C4D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > This is more or less the way of it. The director and I chat=20 > in the bar well=20 > beforehand, so that I know what is wanted. Then I hang and=20 > rough focus,=20 Ah...and here's the crux. Not only are you the designer, but you're also the electrics crew! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Robert Napoli" Subject: sketch up Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:33:05 -0400 Organization: Penn State Berks Message-ID: <004201c66e16$da36fb10$2f01a8c0 [at] admin.bklvcol.psu.edu> I've been using Sketch up for conceptual stuff for a couple years now. While it is quick and dirty, it can also do some seriously nice rendering quickly- for instance, in a production meeting during the costumers presentation after the producer has pulled you aside and said cut $2000 out of your design. I used it to illustrate my book. I don't know what Google is offering, but you can get a full version for free from Sketch up as an educator by submitting a syllabus. Its worth a look. I've got beginning design students up and running in as little as 2 hours Rob Napoli Designer TD PSU Berks Campus Run2 [at] psu.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2af.38ec45b.31890106 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:37:58 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 02/05/06 04:16:57 GMT Daylight Time, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net writes: > Well, if you can manage to set a channel at an exact value (warning, you'll > probably want to use the keypad and not the slider for this) then you know > how to "drive" a scroller. A Wybron ForeRunner, for example: 00, 07, 14, 21, > etc. > > DMX lines: Only slightly more challenging than running power cable. > Slightly. The settings don't bother me. The DMX lines do. We use only one universe, and have no splitters, nor much cable. Our power lines are all short, as a rule. 15-20' maximum, thanks to a patching system. There is, however, no sort of DMX distribution system. As you may have gathered, I am a rather pedantic TV and Sound Engineer, or was. I worry about proper terminations and cables. Also about the possible noise problems. Sure, I could bodge something together. But for the one or two shows I light a year, is it worth it? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <405.b6943c.318903bc [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:49:32 EDT Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain In a message dated 02/05/06 14:50:03 GMT Daylight Time, barney [at] JosephCHansen.com writes: > BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers > and end users, using the lead tape? I have to preface this with a statement that this is just an opinion. Lead is not, of itself, hazardous. If finely divided, and either breathed in or ingested, it will probably do you harm. It is a cumulative poison. That said, I should prefer lead tape every time. It doesn't go 'clink when you land it; it is smaller than chain, for the same weight. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <372.337300a.31890599 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:57:29 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 02/05/06 19:25:20 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > Ah...and here's the crux. Not only are you the designer, but you're > also the electrics crew! Just tell me, who better than the LD to do the focus, and all the other things? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:04:13 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Sketch Up In-reply-to: Message-id: <4457AD2D.6050807 [at] ithaca.edu> References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 02/05/06 19:25:20 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu > writes: > >> Ah...and here's the crux. Not only are you the designer, but you're >> also the electrics crew! > > Just tell me, who better than the LD to do the focus, and all the other > things? Well, all the other things are often better done by the master electrician. And often the only thing a designer does at focus is stand in the light and wave their arms. (well, that's what it looks like at any rate! :-D) Usually I'll be directing the crew, getting the next light prepped for the designer, handling color changes and other notes, chasing the acties away from the doughnuts, etc, etc. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Sketch Up Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" > Ah...and here's the crux. Not only are you the designer, but you're > also the electrics crew! >>Just tell me, who better than the LD to do the focus, and all the other >> things? Here we go again. Haven't we had this discussion, what, like 5000 times? ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre =20 Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service =20 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax =20 mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre =20 =20 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers =20 Galatians 6:9-10=20 =20 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) =20 ________________________________________________________________________ _ =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <32525e7e3741cbc947e6b97c18f57d22 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: FT Job Opening--Props Supervisor at NYU Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:26:56 -0400 Hi all, Thought I'd pass the word along... We have a vacancy in our department as of this fall. See below for a copy of the position description. If interested, you must apply **via the web** at http://www.nyu.edu/hr/employment/apply.html. Please do not e-mail me with application materials. Helpful hints: -You can search for the listing by the official job title ("Supervisor of Theatre Properties") or by req # 4548BR. -AFAIK, the NYU application web pages only work properly in Internet Explorer. Cheers, Mike V. Title Supervisor of Theatre Properties Date Posted 13-Apr-2006 Req # 4548BR School/Division Tisch School of the Arts Job Category Administrative & Professional - 100/110 Grade 13 F/T or P/T FT Key Responsibilities Theatre Production. Supervise the design, construction, and/or procurement of theatrical/film properties for the Theatrical Production department. Develop and implement operating policies and procedures for the Interdepartmental Property Loan Facility. Adminster the annual properties budget; authorize expenditures for purchase, repair, and rental of equipment and properties in support of Theatre Production. Instruct graduate design students in the design, construction, and procurement of properties in support of theatre productions. Reports to the Technical Director. Qualifications Bachelor's degree and 2 years' relevant experience or equivalent combination. Must include experience with properties management, operation and maintenance of theater production facilities, supervising student design teams, carpentry, delivering student instruction, administering budgets, and supervising staff. Excellent interpersonal, written and verbal communication skills. Ability to read and draft designs, schematics, construction blueprints, and plans. Ability to provide technical training to a non-technical audience. Experience working with directors and theatrical productions. Must have valid NYS drivers license. Bachelor's degree in Fine Arts and knowledge of NYC property sources preferred. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060502144549.00d3c150 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:45:49 From: CB Subject: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 > I am HATING the stuff. And I what to know what >other people think about it. Are these problems >typical or not. His name was R. Scott Wilson, and he graduated from AFI. He was one of the most pleasurable DP's I've ever had to work with (no, not that kind of DP, get your head out of the gutter!) When the grip truck arrived, the shiny-boards (giant aluminum foil covered reflectors) wer too few, and in mediocre shape. ANd, he wanted smaller ones. He went to the Home Desperate and bought two 4' x 8' sheets of mirrored lexan or polycarbonate (it was something like that, anyways) and cut it up with a circ saw. He finished the edges with the file on his Leatherman, and epoxied the mirrors onto a C-stand 3" baby wall plate. VIOLA! Custom shiny-boards that can be anything from hard direct sun to soft fill (covered with scrim or diffusion) to shadows (put the board between the sun and the subject). It seems far less costly than five weeks of construction and all the waste of burning holes in mylar, it isn't that heavy, and it's far more durable than the mylar. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060502145359.00d3c150 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:53:59 From: CB Subject: RE: tour boxes >Big castors and good drawer slides Nope, bigger. And better slides. The drawer should be able to clear the box (as, the back of the drawer that is out is clear of the front of the drawer that is not). Rope lights on switch; power available in the box; plumbing, 220 V, and a drain for the espresso machine, ok, maybe only on the sound box; and the 'rails' could be spaced to accomodate 19" rack gear. Rails could be installed at a later date. Put a spare wheel (if not a whole caster) in each box. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003701c66e33$5dbaf9c0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Subject: Simple Drafting / Design software Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:57:11 -0600 Any help all of you? The current talk of Sketch Up has me thinking about this again. I hope I am looking for a simpler design program other than AutoCAD or VW. I hesitate spending many hundreds of dollars for a program I use two to ten days out of the year, plus learning it and then relearning it because I have forgotten how since the last time I used it. Granted I might use it more if it is simple to use. What I do / have done in the past; with standard drafting tools and MS Word drawing. folding steel parallel platforms. production technical drawings. rigging diagrams furniture design What I would like to do is the above and more: Assemble standard materials e.g. 1x4 2x4 wood, plywood 1x1 1x2 steel I beam nuts & bolts into standard components e.g. flats platforms grids trusses into scale "drawings" and save the components for future use. 3 D - plan, front, and side(section)- would probably be fine versus 360 degrees, but then... Scalable: print it out on my ink jets or jump down to Kinko's to have full size sheets if I blow it up it doesn't become pixilated on my screen. have the angles shown. set up, print out, a cut list. I don't do lighting, but some type of ability to transfer those files, to those that do, would be nice. Rob't ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060502150620.00d3c150 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:06:20 From: CB Subject: Re: Mindless Banter

My wife was wondering if any of you would hire someb= ody with last name of Macbeth to work in your theatres?

OMIGOSH! What if the potential employee had the nasty habit of whi= stling while he worked too?

My wife was wondering if any of you would hire someb= ody with last name of Macbeth to work in your theatres?

OMIGOSH! What if the potential employee had the nasty habit of whi= stling while he worked too?

I whistle while I work! What about it?!? If you can tell me how many house riggers and rope jockeys in theatres in this country know what any of the nautical origins of the calls were, I'll quit. 'Til then, join in or pipe down. (...see, originally, sailors were used to rig the goods in theatre because they had a lot of experience getting stuff up and down with ropes and junk, and they whistled the calls to one another to get it done quickly, as headsets hadn't been invented yet, and they were sailors, and prolly wouldn't wear them anyways, cause, you know, well, they were sailors. Sort of the pirate-y type, with 'argh's' and 'yar's' and stuff. So, if you whistled backstage back then, you might call a batten down on your own head, or worse, someone else's. That was all done when we started using radios and headsets. There are a few old hands still around that remember these days, though, and before they die, they'll ask you to stop whistling in their theatre. They won't, however, remember why...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:11:41 -0500 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: Simple Drafting / Design software Cc: alderson [at] uwosh.edu In-Reply-To: References: On 5/2/06, Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Any help all of you? > > The current talk of Sketch Up has me thinking about this again. > > I hope I am looking for a simpler design program other than AutoCAD > or VW. I did a session at the Louisville USITT this year and Mick Alderson, TD at UW-Oshkosh, showed how he uses the CAD/Drawing app inside of Open Office. It looks like he really got the software to "dance" for him! Best of all, it is free! Hopefully he will chime in with some=20 more details! HTH, Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: Simple Drafting / Design software Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:19:56 +0000 Message-Id: <050220062219.20880.4457DB0C00079D7C000051902205889116010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> I use TurboCAD www.imsisoft.com I have the professional ver 6. They're up to 12 now. I bought it myself, don't know the current price. It's a pretty nice program. Randy Whitcomb Manager/TD price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Any help all of you? > > The current talk of Sketch Up has me thinking about this again. > > I hope I am looking for a simpler design program other than AutoCAD > or VW. > I hesitate spending many hundreds of dollars for a program I use > two to ten days out of the year, > plus learning it and then relearning it because I have forgotten how > since the last time I used it. > Granted I might use it more if it is simple to use. > > What I do / have done in the past; > with standard drafting tools and MS Word drawing. > > folding steel parallel platforms. > production technical drawings. > rigging diagrams > furniture design > > What I would like to do is the above and more: > > Assemble standard materials e.g. 1x4 2x4 wood, plywood > 1x1 1x2 steel > I beam > nuts & bolts > into standard components e.g. flats > platforms > grids > trusses > into scale "drawings" > > and save the components for future use. > > 3 D - plan, front, and side(section)- would probably be fine versus > 360 > degrees, but then... > > Scalable: print it out on my ink jets or jump down to Kinko's to > have full size sheets > if I blow it up it doesn't become pixilated on my screen. > have the angles shown. > set up, print out, a cut list. > > I don't do lighting, but some type of ability to transfer those > files, > to those that do, would be nice. > > Rob't > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2fc.3eceb90.3189358b [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:22:03 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 02/05/06 20:04:43 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > > Just tell me, who better than the LD to do the focus, and all the other > > things? > > Well, all the other things are often better done by the master > electrician. And often the only thing a designer does at focus is stand > in the light and wave their arms. (well, that's what it looks like at > any rate! :-D) Usually I'll be directing the crew, getting the next > light prepped for the designer, handling color changes and other notes, > chasing the acties away from the doughnuts, etc, etc. Well, of course, we're not a regular house. At the get-in, I usually have a crew who will rig to my plan. After that, apart from being LD, I am also master electrician, and whatever else is needed. One good board operator, and maybe one trainee. But, as I have said, I can get from the control room to any luminaire inside a minute, since we rig from bridges. Inside five minutes, I can play with the focus, and even move the lantern. Inside ten minutes, I can rig an extra lantern to overcome a problem. How long does it take you to get from the control room to the stage, and to get out the access equipment? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <24d.acfe0c4.31893685 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:26:13 EDT Subject: Re: Sketch Up In a message dated 02/05/06 20:09:19 GMT Daylight Time, mburnett [at] huntington.edu writes: > Here we go again. Haven't we had this discussion, what, like 5000 > times? Well, several, at any rate. I probably am as tired of posting the same things as you are of reading them. But we have to allow for newcomers to the list, who don't know me, or you. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4457DD0D.2010304 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:28:29 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > He was one of the > most pleasurable DP's I've ever had to work with (no, not that kind of DP, > get your head out of the gutter!) The only "DP" I thought of was also abbreviated DOP - Director of Photography. Dare I ask what you were thinking of? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: RE: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:57:14 -0700 > >BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers and >end users, using the lead tape? > There are serious health concerns with lead in general, so methinks it would be prudent to avoid using it if there is a reasonable alternative. As for cost-effectiveness - try pricing out what it would take to properly encapsulate, ship, and dispose of the lead 25 years from now when the draperies have worn out.... in 2031 currency! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:12:30 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1764131301.20060502191230 [at] tcon.net> Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Tuesday, May 2, 2006, Barney Simon wrote: > We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated > jack chain or various weights of lead tape. I use chain because that's the way Dad did it...LOL Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:34:08 GMT Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain Message-Id: <20060502.163420.10965.289460 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> I prefer various weights of Jack Chain, starting with #6 for Austrian Po= ofs and getting heavier from there, because I can work with it very fast= and I don't need help so it saves me money. I also like being able to o= pen and close links with one hand with my foot on the roll. = /s/ Richard __________________________________ Barney Simon wrote: > We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated = jack chain or various weights of lead tape. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <84c790f30605021717ofde49a4q388ad3265a66d38e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:17:14 -0400 From: "Shawn King" Subject: Re: Rosco Shrink Mirror 2 In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/2/06, Jim Hyslop wrote: > CB wrote: > > He was one of the > > most pleasurable DP's I've ever had to work with (no, not that kind of = DP, > > get your head out of the gutter!) > > The only "DP" I thought of was also abbreviated DOP - Director of > Photography. Dare I ask what you were thinking of? Dr. Pepper! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:30:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8C83C5FFA081872-EB4-41D1 [at] FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Kentucky Friends, If there is anyone on the list in or around Hazard, Kentucky. please contact me off list at iaeg [at] aol.com very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Sketch Up In-reply-to: Message-id: <3664.24.58.9.233.1146618275.squirrel [at] webmail.ithaca.edu> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > But, as I have said, I can get from the control room to any luminaire > inside > a minute, since we rig from bridges. Inside five minutes, I can play with > the > focus, and even move the lantern. It takes you four minutes from the time you get to the lantern to be ready to focus it? Dayum! > How long does it take you to get from the control room to the stage, and > to > get out the access equipment? Well, it all depends on where the troubled light is. First off, I'm rarely in the control booth when I get a note. If I am, I can be at any of the FOH positions as fast as you can. If I'm working onstage (as I usually am during a work call), I can be at any lantern, and ready to focus it, within five minutes (depending on the scenery). Of course, my stage is considerably larger than yours, and I believe I use 2-3 times the number of lanterns. As my old TD said, "This ain't my first barbecue." Steve L. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Sketch Up Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: <00bc01c66e4e$64f46300$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I'm rarely in the control booth when I get a note. If I > am, I can be at any of the FOH positions as fast as you can. That's not fair; Frank would have to fly over from England. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44580429.2010209 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:15:21 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain References: In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We were having the discussion which is more cost effective: #8 plated > jack chain or various weights of lead tape. As usual, the answer varies. > 1.50 vs. 0.85; 1.22; or 1.57. > > BUT the bigger question: Are there health concerns, both for workers > and end users, using the lead tape? > The only advantage I see is that the lead tape would be quieter if the drape gets moved. Is the lead tape lots less expensive than the chain once you factor in the additional cost of the muslin tube? --Dale ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Mindless Banter Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:14:13 +0000 Message-Id: <050320060314.17161.44582004000376DE0000430921604666480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> I remember this vividly from 1970 when I first worked in theatre, is this now arcane? Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "RD" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh so interesting. Doom I cannot therefore be one of the 7 Dwarfs on the way > to work .... he said. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Mindless Banter > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >

My wife was wondering if any of you would hire someb= > ody with last name of Macbeth to work in your theatres?

OMIGOSH! What if the potential employee had the nasty habit of whi= > stling while he worked too?

> > I whistle while I work! What about it?!? If you can tell me how many > house riggers and rope jockeys in theatres in this country know what any of > the nautical origins of the calls were, I'll quit. 'Til then, join in or > pipe down. > (...see, originally, sailors were used to rig the goods in theatre because > they had a lot of experience getting stuff up and down with ropes and junk, > and they whistled the calls to one another to get it done quickly, as > headsets hadn't been invented yet, and they were sailors, and prolly > wouldn't wear them anyways, cause, you know, well, they were sailors. Sort > of the pirate-y type, with 'argh's' and 'yar's' and stuff. So, if you > whistled backstage back then, you might call a batten down on your own > head, or worse, someone else's. That was all done when we started using > radios and headsets. There are a few old hands still around that remember > these days, though, and before they die, they'll ask you to stop whistling > in their theatre. They won't, however, remember why...) > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 01:07:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Class for civilians WAS Re: MAYOR'S WIFE FALLS INTO ORCHESTRA PIT... From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The other day, Kristi wrote: > I've suggested to our local PAC that they offer a "So you're going to be > onstage" seminar/class to folks who rent the space. Targeted at groups that > are not using professional performers, it would cover basic stage safety (what to do when someone yells "heads!", pit dangers, tripping hazards, etc.) and stage "deportment" as my former voice teacher called it (being quiet in the > wings, directional terminology, basics of how to work with a microphone). The > thought behind this is - "civilians" make things more unsafe for all of us > and > if they knew easy things like "the mic won't pick you up when you're facing > away from it" it would make the renters look more professional as well as > making things easier and safer for the crew. > > Does anyone else do this? Thoughts? > Kristi, I think that this is a splendid idea, and I *Wish* I could make something like that work. Here is an (unfortunately not too uncommon) example of why it would not. This Monday was "Law day" and to commemorate it, our local "Youth court" put on a presentation. Originally the co-ordinator told us that they were just going to show a video that they had produced. Eventually this had morphed into three speakers, the video and a "Skit" that some of the kids wanted to put on. She had no idea what the skit would entail, but "Don't worry-it'll just be something simple". There would not be any rehearsal for anything, they'd just do it. I set up lighting and a mike on the lectern. lighting and a hand held mike in the floor in front of the stage (One of the speakers "Might" want to be down there for a more intimate Q&A), and a general wash downstage centre & DSL with two area mikes for whatever the "Skit" turned out to be. The kids doing the skit finally arrived by school bus 15 minutes after the audience was being seated. In front of the audience, I had to put up the area lighting and walk the stage with them to show them where to perform. When their turn came up. of course they performed USR well behind the lectern where there wasn't any light, and far from the microphones. Most of them spoke with their backs to the audience, and surprise, the mikes didn't help at all! The person in charge of the whole event didn't even know exactly who would be involved, and said any advance rehearsal would be impossible. Too many groups like this use our facility, and have no real idea what they're doing. Would that I had the power to say "You may not rent our theatre unless you get your act together and know what the heck you're doing, and then all participants must take my workshop first." Unfortunately, the concept of "Serving the community" means that groups like this make up a lot of our schedule. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:08:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Simple Drafting / Design software From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Robert, It seems as though hiring the work you need done might be faster, easier, and cheaper for you then purchasing a program and doing yourself. Have the person doing the work give you a CD with the source files (AutoCad dwg, Vectorworks mcd, dxf, etc.) as well as PDFs of various sizes. This way you can always read and print the file with Acrobat reader as well as email but will have the originals if you want to update the drawing. Good luck. Greg Persinger on 5/2/06 4:57 PM, Idaho Scenic & Rigging at idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Any help all of you? > > The current talk of Sketch Up has me thinking about this again. > > I hope I am looking for a simpler design program other than AutoCAD > or VW. > I hesitate spending many hundreds of dollars for a program I use > two to ten days out of the year, > plus learning it and then relearning it because I have forgotten how > since the last time I used it. > Granted I might use it more if it is simple to use. > > What I do / have done in the past; > with standard drafting tools and MS Word drawing. > > folding steel parallel platforms. > production technical drawings. > rigging diagrams > furniture design > > What I would like to do is the above and more: > > Assemble standard materials e.g. 1x4 2x4 wood, plywood > 1x1 1x2 steel > I beam > nuts & bolts > into standard components e.g. flats > platforms > grids > trusses > into scale "drawings" > > and save the components for future use. > > 3 D - plan, front, and side(section)- would probably be fine versus > 360 > degrees, but then... > > Scalable: print it out on my ink jets or jump down to Kinko's to > have full size sheets > if I blow it up it doesn't become pixilated on my screen. > have the angles shown. > set up, print out, a cut list. > > I don't do lighting, but some type of ability to transfer those > files, > to those that do, would be nice. > > Rob't > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16033097.1146636441656.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 02:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Sketch Up Well..... Most scrollers don't use 5-pin DMX, they use 4-pin XLR. 2 pins for data, 2 for 24vdc. They need a power supply. If you're not currently using scrollers, it IS a "quantum leap" in technology. But, just like everything else, they are tools.... --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > >The settings don't bother me. The DMX lines do. We use only one universe, and >have no splitters, nor much cable. Our power lines are all short, as a rule. >15-20' maximum, thanks to a patching system. > >There is, however, no sort of DMX distribution system. As you may have >gathered, I am a rather pedantic TV and Sound Engineer, or was. I worry about proper >terminations and cables. Also about the possible noise problems. > >Sure, I could bodge something together. But for the one or two shows I light >a year, is it worth it? > > >Frank Wood ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #793 *****************************