Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30027531; Mon, 08 May 2006 03:01:42 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #798 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 03:00:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #798 1. Re: "...a man's job" by David Duffy 2. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 3. Free audio cue player offer by David Duffy 4. Re: "...a man's job" by Erwin Rol 5. Re: "...a man's job" by David Duffy 6. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 7. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 8. Re: OT - students looking for summer work by Steve Shelley 9. Re: "...a man's job" by David Duffy 10. Re: News by "Delbert Hall" 11. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 12. Re: "...a man's job" by David Duffy 13. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: News by Kevin Lee Allen 15. Re: "...a man's job" by Kevin Lee Allen 16. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 17. Re: "...a man's job" by Erwin Rol 18. Re: OT - students looking for summer work by "Josh Ratty" 19. Re: "...a man's job" by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 20. Re: "...a man's job" by Bruce Purdy 21. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 22. Game on! Spotlight [at] The Apple Store - June 14th by "C. Dopher" 23. Re: Free audio cue player offer by Art Corey 24. Re: Phd by Loren Schreiber 25. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 27. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 28. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 29. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 30. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 31. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 32. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 33. Re: appropriate metals by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 36. Re: Free audio cue player offer by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 37. Re: "...a man's job" by MissWisc [at] aol.com 38. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: Phd by Clive Mitchell 40. Projection at NHL hockey game by Steve Larson 41. Re: gender dedicated classes by Steve Larson 42. Re: Phd by Steve Larson 43. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 44. Re: "...a man's job" by "Peter Scheu" 45. Re: "...a man's job" by Erwin Rol 46. Re: "...a man's job" by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 47. Re: Phd by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 48. Re: Phd by "Scott Parker" 49. Re: gender dedicated classes by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 50. Re: "...a man's job" by "Meixner, Rebekkah Jean" 51. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 52. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 53. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 54. Re: OT - students looking for summer work by "Steven Santos" 55. Re: Phd by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 56. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 57. Re: Phd by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 58. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 59. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 60. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game by "Donald A Rowe" 61. Re: "...a man's job" by Dale Farmer 62. Re: "...a man's job" by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 63. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game by "Paul Schreiner" 64. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain by "Bill Nelson" 65. OT - Data Recovery by "Mat Goebel" 66. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <445DC7FD.4040001 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:12:13 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Clive wrote: >> That's what happens when you have to use your girlie 25W iron to do a >> mans job. :P >> > kosteral [at] juno.com (a girl) wrote: > > AHEM! There have been a handful of "girlie/manly man" comments such as this that have come across the list lately, and honestly it is getting to be quite boring. If the Good Old Boys on the list would stop grabbing your crotches and spitting long enough, you might realize there are quite a few females in technical theatre. We have to put up with a fair amount of shit from people who don't realize that mechanical abilities, physical strength and math skills are not attached to the Y chromasome. > > "Oh, but I was just kidding!" is no excuse. Substitute a derogatory word or phrase for a black, hispanic or asian in place of the female/diminutive and you'll see how offensive such 'jokes' can be. > > Remember: we work in technical theatre and are hefting around sheets of 3/4" ply and are adept at using power tools....we can, and will, kick your ass! > I don't see the whole "girlie" thing as offensive. Neither does any of the women I've asked. Maybe we're a little less sensitive to the whole PC thing over here. Although I must say that Sea World here has just been in the news for now calling the Fairly Penguins at the theme park "Little Penguins". Even a prominent gay spokesman said the move was ridiculous. He went on to say "It's not as though they were called Poofter Penguins or anything" and that the whole PC thing was getting out of control. I agree wholeheartedly a lot of the time. David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 06:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c671c1$64d5ae30$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: =20 > He went on to say "It's not as though they were called=20 > Poofter Penguins or anything" and that the whole PC thing was=20 > getting out of control. I agree wholeheartedly a lot of the=20 > time. As I said in an earlier post, think of it as being "Politely = Considerate". The rule of thumb (which phrase itself purportedly has a sexist origin) should be that if there's a "rational expectation"* that a comment will cause offense or anguish, then there's no reason to say it (unless one = is so insecure that one has to offend deliberately in order to give oneself a sense of power). I think it's rational to expect that comments such as the one that = started this discussion will offend; they should be avoided not because it's a = rule, but because it's Politely Considerate to avoid offending friends and colleagues. It's OK to offend Frank, though. * That was for my fellow "West Wing" fans ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445DCC71.6090102 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:31:13 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Free audio cue player offer Hi everyone, Last year I needed an audio player for a play at local high school (that I'm a parent at) that could handle a cue list and be able to play overlapping audio files. Well, I sat down and wrote one for Windows just for the fun of it. Some basics: * Only supports stereo output from a single sound card * Plays pretty much any audio file that WM player does * Requires a vaguely recent version of DirectX I think * Works with Windows XP or Win98/SE - use an old PC! * Can use the same audio file in multiple cues * Can play multiple files at the same time (at least 8) * Can overlap playing the same file via multiple cues * Can save, load and name cue lists * Can add, delete and move cues in the list * Adjustable parameters for each individual sound cue * Can pause/restart/stop any cue individually * Progress indicators for each cue that is playing/paused * Can preview cue parameters before committing them * Can auto increment the current cue position * Go button to trigger selected cue (or use the space bar) * All Stop button to stop all cues instantly * Other stuff I've probably forgotten about If any amateurs would like a copy please email me and I'll be happy to send it to you. I may put it up on my web site in the future if I start getting too many requests. I wrote the program to fill a need at the time and for a little fun. There may be the odd bug with it and there's no documentation. It is easy to get going however. Just right click in the active area of the cue list to start adding cues. It's all straight forward from there. :-) Anyway, I hope that this offer helps out some of those groups that would like an audio player but can't afford to buy one. If you find any bugs or have an idea for improvements feel free to email me. I can't promise that it will happen but it would be nice to polish it up as I get time to do so. I've already added a few features since advertising it on the Theatre Sound list. David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:38:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1146998285.2241.29.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 20:12 +1000, David Duffy wrote: > I don't see the whole "girlie" thing as offensive. Neither does any of > the women I've asked. Here in Germany anything that has to do with nazi symbols is strictly forbidden, and everybody that knows a bit of German history would probably understand that. In the US it is no problem, or at least less of a problem, to wear nazi symbols or flags, but everybody gets offended when someone calls a soldering iron "girlie" ? > Maybe we're a little less sensitive to the whole > PC thing over here. Yeah to come back to the Germans and their nazi symbols. The PC'ness went so far they are now arresting people that wear a symbol like this ( http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,13549,00.html ). The fact they are protesting against neo-nazis doesn't matter (of course a judge will most likely think different about that, because it did not yet went to trail!). > Although I must say that Sea World here has just been in the news for > now calling the Fairly Penguins at the theme park "Little Penguins". > Even a prominent gay spokesman said the move was ridiculous. Wasn't there some place in the US that had forbidden to use the terms master-slave no matter if it is a standard term in communication technology ? > He went on to say "It's not as though they were called Poofter Penguins > or anything" and that the whole PC thing was getting out of control. I > agree wholeheartedly a lot of the time. > David... The funny thing with that PC stuff is also that most of the time the ppl that complain are not the ones that are the ones being "offended". Like you mentioned with the Fairly Penguins thing the people that should be offended are just shaking their head and wondering what is going on. - Erwin ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445DCF21.1020506 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:42:41 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > David Duffy wrote: > >> He went on to say "It's not as though they were called >> Poofter Penguins or anything" and that the whole PC thing was >> getting out of control. I agree wholeheartedly a lot of the time. >> > > As I said in an earlier post, think of it as being "Politely Considerate". > The rule of thumb (which phrase itself purportedly has a sexist origin) > should be that if there's a "rational expectation" that a comment will > cause offense or anguish, then there's no reason to say it (unless one is so > insecure that one has to offend deliberately in order to give oneself a > sense of power). > > I think it's rational to expect that comments such as the one that started > this discussion will offend; they should be avoided not because it's a rule, > but because it's Politely Considerate to avoid offending friends and > colleagues. > > It's OK to offend Frank, though. > Hmmm..... Who's "rational expectation" are we speaking of here? My point is that there will always be people who get offended by something or other. It doesn't automatically make them right does it? Quite often the PC brigade are the loudest and it's that (being loud) that causes the friction - not the things they're complaining about! :-) So why is it OK to offend Frank then? Just kidding? Don't let the PC people catch up with you then. It crucifiction for sure. (first offense*) * Monty Python fans will know this one. David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 06:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c671c3$82ec1830$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > In the US it is no > problem, or at least less of a problem, to wear nazi symbols > or flags, but everybody gets offended when someone calls a > soldering iron "girlie" ? I assure you that the same people who frown on sexism are offended by Nazism. Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote: "First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 06:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c671c3$d7c8cba0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Hmmm..... Who's "rational expectation" are we speaking of > here? My point is that there will always be people who get > offended by something or other. It doesn't automatically make > them right does it? Then let me amend it to: "it's rational to expect that comments such as the one that > > started this discussion will offend A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE." > So why is it OK to offend Frank then? Business before pleasure. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 06:53:34 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - students looking for summer work From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dear steven; These days, even apprentice summer job searching and placing for most companies now starts in january. That said, I got this email from my friend ms. Sabrina hamilton Wednesday night may 3. These two positions may have already been filled but your students should not hesitate to contact her to double check. Sabrina's festival presents professional good work and the interns are well cared for= . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D INTERNS NEEDED for the 15th Annual Ko Festival of Performance The Ko Festival will present a highly diverse series of theatre events, workshops, rehearsal residencies, public discussions and visual displays. Interns will work closely with the staff and the visiting artists to execut= e the full range of summer activities, including the mounting and running of the shows, and hosting visiting artists and workshop students. =20 We will open our Anniversary Gala Weekend with the Mettawee River Company i= n an outdoor adaptation of a French Folk tale - live performance with masks and puppets, and in =B3The KO Kabaret=B2 past performers will return for a rollicking celebration of Ko=B9s birthday, and Nicky Paraiso=B9s =B3House/Boy.=B2 The rest of the season will include multimedia movement/theatre artist Wend= y Woodson and Company, Pilgrim Theatre=B9s production of =B3N=B2 about the last 24 hours of Napoleon=B9s life =AD complete with Joan of Arc and a Chorus of Rats, and Touchstone Theatre=B9s =B3A Comic Strip.=B2 =20 We will also have several rehearsal residencies including one by founding company member, Janna Goodwin who returns to work on two new scripts. Interns will considered for roles in those readings. Towson MFA student Bar= b Lanciers will lead another rehearsal residency, and one is still T.B.A. =20 Workshops will include: Justin Townsend and members to the TENT Collaborative=B9s SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING: Theatre Design from Found Materials, Michael Rohd=B9s RE-IMAGINING OUTREACH: Community Engagement Programming, Mark McKenna=B9s LECOQ MASK-TRAINING, and ACTOR ON THE ROAD: Encountering the Legacy of Grotowski=B9s Theatre Lab led by Kermit Dunkelberg and Kim Mancuso of Pilgrim Theatre =20 The internship will be held on the Amherst College campus in Amherst, MA. The program runs from July 7-August 9. Interns will receive free housing. Experience, particularly in the technical and front-of-house aspects of production, is welcome, but all interns will receive additional training fo= r their work, which will be in a multiplicity of production areas. =20 FOR MORE INFORMATION visit www.kofest.com To set up an interview contact Sabrina Hamilton, Artistic Director (413) 427-6147, email: Sabrina [at] kofest.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Good luck. Shelley On 5/7/06 12:21 AM, "Steven Santos" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I have had two students ask me where they should start looking for summer > work in thearter arts in the greater Boston area. One is a 20 year old > collage student, the other is a 17 year old student, both girls are looki= ng > for entry level jobs, and are more interested in the experiance than > anything else. Anyone have any sugestions on where I might be able to > direct them to start looking? >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >=20 --=20 Steve Shelley Ltg & Scenic Coordinator Spoleto Festival USA (843) 720-1140 prod office (843) 724-1195 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.spoletousa.org Www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445DD1F4.8050900 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:54:44 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> Hmmm..... Who's "rational expectation" are we speaking of >> here? My point is that there will always be people who get >> offended by something or other. It doesn't automatically make >> them right does it? >> > > > Then let me amend it to: "it's rational to expect that comments such as the > one that started this discussion will offend A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE." > Hmmmm.... I wonder why Clive if not so keen on moving to the US? :-) >> So why is it OK to offend Frank then? >> > > Business before pleasure. > Interesting..... So you say that in all seriousness? David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:02:06 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: References: In 1982, I was interviewed for a job at a university. At the interview, the Dean of the College told me that there had been a mistake and I was not qualifed for the position because my MFA had only been a 48-hour program and they did not regonize it as a terminal degree (they only recognized 60-hour programs and above as terminal degree). I could have taken 12 more hours, but I decided that it would be best take 30 and get my Ph.D. so that is what I did. I have never regreted that decision. Having both a Ph.D. and an MFA have opened some doors. -Delbert ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c671c5$bf92e910$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Hmmmm.... I wonder why Clive if not so keen on moving to the US? :-) I don't know. If he feels that he might have to make the huge sacrifice of being not obnoxious, perhaps indeed he should not come here. > > Business before pleasure. > > > Interesting..... So you say that in all seriousness? I rarely say *anything* in all seriousness. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445DD45A.9070602 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 21:04:58 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Erwin Rol wrote: > Wasn't there some place in the US that had forbidden to use the terms > master-slave no matter if it is a standard term in communication > technology ? > Yes, I've heard of that before. Very sad if it's true. Some pre-shools are changing "Bah Bah Black Sheep" to "Bah Bah Rainbow Sheep" to avoid "the black issue". What a load of horse shit. The sheep was black in colour. Next I'll have to be careful ordering my black cable. That's not very PC is it? "Hello, I'd like a 100m roll of black, er... dark, er... I mean deep deep blue cable please"! Haven't we all got better things to do that think of every last possible thing that may offend someone? Some people have too much spare time to think about this sort of thing I suspect. David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c671c6$b8b8a610$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > So why is it OK to offend Frank then? > > Business before pleasure. Sexist/racist comments imply inferiority based upon accidents of birth -- that people are somehow lesser because they happened to be born female, or black, or whatever. Frank has chosen to be who he is, so Woodist comments are based upon his deliberate actions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:10:54 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: News In-reply-to: Message-id: References: I have never completely understood this academic way of thinking. =20 There was an Op-Ed piece in The New York Times that pointed out that =20 Meryl Streep is unqualified to teach acting on the university level. When I was a student, I always looked for teachers who worked, rather =20= than teachers who had studied. On May 7, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Delbert Hall wrote: > he Dean of the College told me that there had been a > mistake and I was not qualifed for the position because my MFA had > only been a 48-hour program and they did not regonize it as a terminal > degree (they only recognized 60-hour programs and above as terminal > degree). I could have taken 12 more hours, but I decided that it > would be best take 30 and get my Ph.D. so that is what I did. I have > never regreted that decision. Having both a Ph.D. and an MFA have > opened some doors. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:20:40 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-reply-to: Message-id: References: I think that there should be some focus on 'intent' in this =20 discussion. Political Correctness gets way out of hand, and many of =20 us can be way to sensitive. On May 7, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > Sexist/racist comments imply inferiority based upon accidents of =20 > birth -- ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c671c9$902d7060$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: =20 > I think that there should be some focus on 'intent' in this =20 > discussion. Political Correctness gets way out of hand, and many of =20 > us can be way to sensitive. "Intent" of course, is a vital component (although too much discussion = of intent will start to make this look like a forum about acting), but = "effect" is equally relevant, whether that effect is deliberate or not. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Erwin Rol Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 13:31:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1147001491.2241.59.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 06:46 -0400, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote: > > "First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was > not a Jew. > Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I > was not a Communist. > Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because > I was not a trade unionist. > Then they came for me The problem is, most people _still_ wait until here, before waking up. > and there was no one left to speak out for me." - Erwin BTW there are a lot of different version of Martin Niemöllers preaching. Even Niemöller himself admitted he didn't exactly remember the exact thing he said, because it was never written down. Of course when something like that is so clear and easy to understand it doesn't really matter, what the exact words were. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:34:44 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: OT - students looking for summer work In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <004a01c671ca$4286a290$0201000a [at] Rattys> As an out of work for the summer tech in Boston my self I have heard that Commonwealth Shakespeare CO. is still looking for people I believe. The Huntington and I believe ART are shut down for a few weeks and won't be looking for people too soon. Some of the smaller groups that work in BCA and some of the other smaller spaces may be looking for help. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steven Santos Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 11:22 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: OT - students looking for summer work For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have had two students ask me where they should start looking for summer work in thearter arts in the greater Boston area. One is a 20 year old collage student, the other is a 17 year old student, both girls are looking for entry level jobs, and are more interested in the experiance than anything else. Anyone have any sugestions on where I might be able to direct them to start looking? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060507121722.49044.qmail [at] web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: > > kosteral [at] juno.com (a girl) wrote: > > > > AHEM! There have been a handful of "girlie/manly > man" comments such as this that have come across the > list lately, ..... > > Remember: we work in technical theatre and are > hefting around sheets of 3/4" ply and are adept at > using power tools....we can, and will, kick your > ass! > > I am a woman. Adult Female. Not a girlie. Never was girlie, to be honest. Therefore the original comment does not bother me one bit. What I do find bothersome is the casual assumption that violence is a solution to anything. See how difficult it is to be inoffensive? (I would comment that one man's meat is another man's poison, but that would be jumped on as both sexist and anti-vegetarian, wouldn't it?) There is also the current fad of "girl/grrl power" paraphenalia, with slogans like "boys are stinky". Where does this fit? According to that paradigm, "girlie" is the ultimate compliment! Jacki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 11:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > > The rule of thumb (which phrase itself purportedly has a sexist origin) > should be that if there's a "rational expectation"* that a comment will > cause offense or anguish, then there's no reason to say it (unless one is so > insecure that one has to offend deliberately in order to give oneself a > sense of power). Whilst I agree with your point - to a point - My mind jumps to an entire line of comedians such as Sarah Silverman. She is what I would refer to as an "equal opportunity offender", throwing around stereotypes and derogatory comments about every conceivable classification of people. I don't think that she does so to "Give herself a sense of power" - well, power at the Box office maybe. ;-) Many people find humour in either using or hearing "Offensive jokes", and understand that the comedian is likely not really racist, sexist, sexualityist, or whateverist - but uses the comments for their comedic effect. It's not my personal style, but it is for people like Sarah Silverman and - I suspect - Clive. I simply consider the source, and move on. > Sexist/racist comments imply inferiority based upon accidents of birth -- > that people are somehow lesser because they happened to be born female, or > black, or whatever. Calling something "Girly" implies nothing about the inferiority of women! It is referring to the diminutive and conceived powerless of *Girls* (not women) as opposed to men. It falls in the same category as "Don't send a boy to do a man's job" (Is this an offensive "Ageist" comment?) The best post I've seen so far on this thread was from Jacki Kidwell. Excellent points made! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:55:50 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c671ee$b6e58c90$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > My mind > jumps to an entire line of comedians such as Sarah Silverman. > She is what I would refer to as an "equal opportunity > offender", throwing around stereotypes and derogatory > comments about every conceivable classification of people. I > don't think that she does so to "Give herself a sense of > power" No, she does it to mock the people who make (and take) such comments seriously. That's what makes her so funny. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Reply-To: Cris Dopher From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Game on! Spotlight [at] The Apple Store - June 14th Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:26:56 -0400 New York area Vectorworks users, harken to me! This is for you: Because I missed my true calling as a hermit, I will be presenting at the monthly meeting of the New York Vectorworks Users Group on June 14th. We will be meeting at the Apple Store in SoHo (renovated theater!) and I'll be covering the basics of Spotlight (including paperwork management) and segueing into using Renderworks to illustrate a reasonably accurate lighting state without wasting too much time or needing massive processor power. I will most definitely be making a few comments on companion software such as AutoPlot, Lightwright, Sketchup, Photoshop, Excel, and the like. A blurb on the meeting will be appearing in due time on the Apple Store's website. This is an exciting development in our meetings, as our previous presenters have all been the software engineers themselves. Now a conversant real-world user without any spare time on his hands is stepping up to the plate to get a mixed crowd up to speed on the advantages of Spotlight tools and some sneaky Renderworks tricks. You do not have to be a member of the Users Group to come; just show up. Or...you can join the New York users group through Nemetschek's website: http://nemetschek.net/community/usergroups.php If you'd like to attend, our group leader Ira Frazin would like a heads-up so he can get a rough count. vwnyug [at] ifarchitect.com If you plan to attend and would like to request a particular topic, question, or tool within Spotlight or Renderworks be covered, please shoot me an email at: crisdopher [at] mac.com Finally, I would like to point out that Nemetschek donated a copy of Spotlight as one of the raffle prizes in the Long Reach Long Rider's fundraising efforts for Behind The Scenes. Please realize that to Nemetschek, theatre people are a small minority of Vectorworks users, around 15%, yet they continue to support our needs by advancing their product with us in mind and supporting our community. (In fact, the presenters from Nemetschek drive all the way up from Bethesda and the users group has not had to pay for their services as far as I'm aware!) Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445E2455.1090500 [at] cox.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 11:46:13 -0500 From: Art Corey Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer References: In-Reply-To: Hello David, Please send me a copy of your Cue Player program. I don't know about the pro's on the list but us Community theatre types really appreciate offers like yours. Thanks, Art Corey FSLT.org David Duffy wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hi everyone, >Last year I needed an audio player for a play at local high school >(that I'm a parent at) that could handle a cue list and be able to >play overlapping audio files. Well, I sat down and wrote one for >Windows just for the fun of it. Some basics: > > * Only supports stereo output from a single sound card > * Plays pretty much any audio file that WM player does > * Requires a vaguely recent version of DirectX I think > * Works with Windows XP or Win98/SE - use an old PC! > * Can use the same audio file in multiple cues > * Can play multiple files at the same time (at least 8) > * Can overlap playing the same file via multiple cues > * Can save, load and name cue lists > * Can add, delete and move cues in the list > * Adjustable parameters for each individual sound cue > * Can pause/restart/stop any cue individually > * Progress indicators for each cue that is playing/paused > * Can preview cue parameters before committing them > * Can auto increment the current cue position > * Go button to trigger selected cue (or use the space bar) > * All Stop button to stop all cues instantly > * Other stuff I've probably forgotten about > >If any amateurs would like a copy please email me and I'll be >happy to send it to you. I may put it up on my web site in the >future if I start getting too many requests. I wrote the program >to fill a need at the time and for a little fun. There may be the >odd bug with it and there's no documentation. It is easy to get >going however. Just right click in the active area of the cue list >to start adding cues. It's all straight forward from there. :-) > >Anyway, I hope that this offer helps out some of those groups >that would like an audio player but can't afford to buy one. >If you find any bugs or have an idea for improvements feel free >to email me. I can't promise that it will happen but it would be >nice to polish it up as I get time to do so. I've already added >a few features since advertising it on the Theatre Sound list. >David... > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060507095619.0370aeb0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 09:57:39 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Phd In-Reply-To: References: I don't have a Phd . . . but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <60.693c1000.318f853a [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:15:38 EDT Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain In a message dated 07/05/06 07:10:17 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Very fine lead dust is pyrophoric. Matter of fact, there used to be a > demonstration performed by high school physics/chemistry teachers to > demonstrate this principle. Given the current lead hysteria, I doubt if it > is used any longer. Most fine powders are. Back when I was at school, this was demonstrated using flour. Some years ago, there was an on-stage fire at a theatre in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Naturally, the iron was dropped. But the fire set off a dust explosion, which caused a large lump to appear in it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:22:48 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , David Duffy writes >Quite often the PC brigade are the loudest and it's that (being loud) >that causes the friction - not the things they're complaining about! >:-) Exactly. I work alongside hefty built female co-workers in the entertainment industry all the time and none of them make an issue of it. One in particular is notable because she has a stereotypical giggly girls voice (Like in Will and Grace) and despite being perfectly capable of humphing heavy staging panels around in her van, she isn't shy about turning on the girlie charm when it suits her. (Notably if she wants a shag!) Personally I don't play the "equality" card and never have. I actually find it easier to make a joke of the situation. If I refer to myself as a big gay-boy then the phrase gay-boy ceases to be offensive. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:22:35 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , Charlie Richmond writes >But not Dutch door??? And I vote against 'Going Dutch' because it >truly is the Dutch who always seem to insist on sharing the bill - >which I heartily approve of ;-) And what about "Dutch oven"? A term used to describe the act of farting in your bed. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <+$56NULR0iXEFw3v [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:23:29 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , Erwin Rol writes >The funny thing with that PC stuff is also that most of the time the >ppl that complain are not the ones that are the ones being "offended". >Like you mentioned with the Fairly Penguins thing the people that >should be offended are just shaking their head and wondering what is >going on. What's so special about the "Fairly Penguins?" If my tongue in cheek comment about a "girlie" low wattage soldering iron has managed to create a PC debate, then I wonder how the Americans would handle a popular chunky chocolate bar sold in the UK called a Yorkie. It's got a red circle and diagonal line through a "female" image with the slogan "It's not for girls.". -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7$t7NBLB0iXEFw37 [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:23:13 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , Jeffrey E. Salzberg writes >> Hmmmm.... I wonder why Clive if not so keen on moving to the US? :-) > >I don't know. If he feels that he might have to make the huge >sacrifice of being not obnoxious, perhaps indeed he should not come >here. It's actually because I'm not obnoxious enough. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:23:04 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , David Duffy writes >Hmmmm.... I wonder why Clive if not so keen on moving to the US? :-) New Zealand isn't looking so hot either. It appears to have a bit of a religion problem which ain't so good for people like me. Australia's looking pretty good at the moment. I may take a trip over to check it out next year. Probably western Australia at that. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:23:37 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , David Duffy writes >Next I'll have to be careful ordering my black cable. That's not very >PC is it? "Hello, I'd like a 100m roll of black, er... dark, er... I >mean deep deep blue cable please"! The question is... Has multicolour ribbon cable been secretly promoting homosexuality for the past decade or two? :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0fX4l$Lr0iXEFw1Z [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:23:55 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , Jacqueline Haney Kidwell writes >There is also the current fad of "girl/grrl power" paraphenalia, with >slogans like "boys are stinky". Where does this fit? According to that >paradigm, "girlie" is the ultimate compliment! But if little girls are made of sugar and spice and all things nice, then why do they smell of fish? -- Sexist Bob The theatre slob. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2c6.7bd7148.318f875f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:24:47 EDT Subject: Re: appropriate metals In a message dated 07/05/06 07:13:56 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > That doesn't answer my question about why he just doesn't use a couple of > small bottles of acetylene and oxygen - rather than dragging that long > heavy hose. I don't know. But even small bottles are heavy, and I suspect that the two hoses may be easier to deal with. French staircases tend to be helical and narrow, which makes them difficult. We bought a new bed quite recently, which had to come in through the window, and carrying a large stoneware sink up to the second floor nearly ruptured both of us. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3d7.1f0dc13.318f8853 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:28:51 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 11:32:10 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > I think it's rational to expect that comments such as the one that started > this discussion will offend; they should be avoided not because it's a rule, > but because it's Politely Considerate to avoid offending friends and > colleagues. > > It's OK to offend Frank, though. Why? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01c671fd$2d6a8ce0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > It's OK to offend Frank, though. > > Why? Because some things are just too much fun to do without. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da960605071040l2b172167g96db230d0b994a04 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:40:41 -0400 From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer In-Reply-To: References: Hi David, I would be interested in checking out your program. I work for a University and we dont have the money to buy a pro grade program like SFX, but I would love to give your program a try! Thanks, Jason Cowperthwaite On 5/7/06, David Duffy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone, > Last year I needed an audio player for a play at local high school > (that I'm a parent at) that could handle a cue list and be able to > play overlapping audio files. Well, I sat down and wrote one for > Windows just for the fun of it. Some basics: > > * Only supports stereo output from a single sound card > * Plays pretty much any audio file that WM player does > * Requires a vaguely recent version of DirectX I think > * Works with Windows XP or Win98/SE - use an old PC! > * Can use the same audio file in multiple cues > * Can play multiple files at the same time (at least 8) > * Can overlap playing the same file via multiple cues > * Can save, load and name cue lists > * Can add, delete and move cues in the list > * Adjustable parameters for each individual sound cue > * Can pause/restart/stop any cue individually > * Progress indicators for each cue that is playing/paused > * Can preview cue parameters before committing them > * Can auto increment the current cue position > * Go button to trigger selected cue (or use the space bar) > * All Stop button to stop all cues instantly > * Other stuff I've probably forgotten about > > If any amateurs would like a copy please email me and I'll be > happy to send it to you. I may put it up on my web site in the > future if I start getting too many requests. I wrote the program > to fill a need at the time and for a little fun. There may be the > odd bug with it and there's no documentation. It is easy to get > going however. Just right click in the active area of the cue list > to start adding cues. It's all straight forward from there. :-) > > Anyway, I hope that this offer helps out some of those groups > that would like an audio player but can't afford to buy one. > If you find any bugs or have an idea for improvements feel free > to email me. I can't promise that it will happen but it would be > nice to polish it up as I get time to do so. I've already added > a few features since advertising it on the Theatre Sound list. > David... > > -- > ___________________________________________ > David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L > Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia > Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 > New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au > ___________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <305.41ae5c2.318f8bd0 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:43:44 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" erwin writes: << In the US it is no problem, or at least less of a problem, to wear nazi symbols or flags>> It IS very much a problem to wear that in the US. Those who do are labled "skin heads" or "white supremacists." David said: << Some pre-shools are changing "Bah Bah Black Sheep" to "Bah Bah Rainbow Sheep" to avoid "the black issue". >> Havn't heard of that one - and "rainbow" doesn't fit the rhyme scheme of the song. "Red" would work as it's a single syllable color. "Rainbow" has a different connotation here also...it's the symbol for homosexual/transgendered people. I have heard of "Ten Little Indians" becoming "Ten Little Citizens". Interestingly enough... all my (US citizens of african slave heritage) friends call themselves "black" as a skin color and "African-American" as a race. They are not the same thing in their mind. Frank Wood said: << But, generally, women tend to have a lower level of technical understanding. I think that is due to old fashioned educational princioles, but it is a fact. The 'softer sex' is taught skills in the softer trades. This reflects the prejudices of the day.>> When you were in school that would have been true, Frank, but not any more. In the mid 1970s, US federal law made it illegal to restrict access to courses based on gender. Had I been one year younger, I would have been able to take shop rather than having to take home economics in junior high. In summary... If someone is offended they should immediately let the person making the offense aware. The person who made the offense should apologise and make a mental note to not repeat the offense. In most situations, that's the end of it. If you don't know if someone might be offended, ASK! Say "Would you be offended if ..." Playing well with others is a big part of life. Derogatory comments made towards any thing that (as was so eloquently put) are a result of nature, are never appropriate. Like Thumper says in Bambi "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all!" Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3f8.1b21d8d.318f8de2 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:52:34 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 12:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > Sexist/racist comments imply inferiority based upon accidents of birth -- > that people are somehow lesser because they happened to be born female, or > black, or whatever. Only if they are intended to be derogatory, when they are offensive. But the English and American languages provide a sufficient quantity of epithets that they are not really needed. If someone drives into my car, I will express my opinion of them quite forcibly, without suggesting that their sex or colour has anything to do with it. It may be my private belief, based on experience, but it will stay private. > > Frank has chosen to be who he is, so Woodist comments are based upon his > deliberate actions. As all of us have, my opinions have been formed by my life, education, and career, such as it has been. I don't know that I had a lot of choice. Like Topsy, 'it just growed'. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:34:55 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Phd References: In-Reply-To: In message , Loren Schreiber writes >I don't have a Phd . . . but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I've got the letters LCG after my name. It stands for Licentiateship of the City and Guilds which is the primary British trade qualification organisation. It's the highest possible award once you've reached the pinnacle of your trade (Installation Electrician in my case). I never use the letters. There doesn't seem much point. In the real-life world of nuts, bolts, wires and forceful manipulation of metal, it's real physical experience that counts. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 13:57:17 -0400 Subject: Projection at NHL hockey game From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Last night at the Carolina/New Jersey hockey game, they had an unbelievable projection before the game and during the intermissions. They used three projectors and projected images that completely covered the ice. Imagine the face of your favorite hockey player projected the width of the ice. Imagine a projection of the Stanley Cup the length and width of the entire rink. The projections were often turned 90 degrees so the folks in the areas behind the goals were looking at them correctly. The folks in the cheap seats undoubtedly had the best look, but it was bright, crisp, and breathtaking. Oh, yes, a word to Marty B - "there's no whining in hockey". Take it like a man, bud. This is the new hockey in the NHL. Anyone know what they are using for projectors. When the slides changed you could see the old images rotate out and the new one rotate in. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 14:01:18 -0400 Subject: Re: gender dedicated classes From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I graduated high school in 1963 and you could take shop or home ec at my high school, regardless of your gender. That's not to say you wouldn't probably have to take some ribbing for doing so. Steve > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:43:44 EDT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: "...a man's job" > In the mid 1970s, US federal law made it illegal to restrict access to > courses based on gender. Had I been one year younger, I would have been able > to > take shop rather than having to take home economics in junior high. > Kristi > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 14:04:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Phd From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For many of the PhD's that I have worked and taught with, I have found in most cases it simply meant that they can Pile it Higher and Deeper. I totally agree. Steve, MFA > From: Clive Mitchell > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:34:55 +0100 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Phd > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Loren Schreiber > writes >> I don't have a Phd . . . but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. > > I've got the letters LCG after my name. It stands for Licentiateship of > the City and Guilds which is the primary British trade qualification > organisation. It's the highest possible award once you've reached the > pinnacle of your trade (Installation Electrician in my case). I never > use the letters. There doesn't seem much point. In the real-life world > of nuts, bolts, wires and forceful manipulation of metal, it's real > physical experience that counts. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <401.1626272.318f9332 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:15:14 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 18:44:47 GMT Daylight Time, MissWisc [at] aol.com writes: I have heard of "Ten Little Indians" becoming "Ten Little Citizens". This is the second change. The original title was 'Ten Little Ni**ers', and comes from a nursery rhyme. > > When you were in school that would have been true, Frank, but not any more. > > In the mid 1970s, US federal law made it illegal to restrict access to > courses based on gender. Had I been one year younger, I would have been > able to > take shop rather than having to take home economics in junior high. It worked both ways. Students from our associated girls' school came to us for Physics and Chemistry: students from us went to them for Biology. . Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:21:13 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000501c67203$06624650$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-Reply-To: Frank Wood wrote: >It worked both ways. Students from our associated girls' >school came to us for Physics and Chemistry: students from us went to them for Biology. ... And I bet the girls taught the boys a thing or two about biology. ;-) Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:37:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1147027078.2241.95.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 13:43 -0400, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > David said: > << Some pre-shools are changing "Bah Bah Black Sheep" to "Bah Bah Rainbow > Sheep" to avoid "the black issue". >> > > Havn't heard of that one - and "rainbow" doesn't fit the rhyme scheme of the > song. "Red" would work as it's a single syllable color. "Rainbow" has a > different connotation here also...it's the symbol for homosexual/transgendered > people. I have heard of "Ten Little Indians" becoming "Ten Little Citizens". > Interestingly enough... all my (US citizens of african slave heritage) > friends call themselves "black" as a skin color and "African-American" as a race. > They are not the same thing in their mind. The Dutch "Sinterklaas feest" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas#Celebration_in_the_Netherlands also had some PC problems, because it is a white Saint that has black helpers, which was unacceptable in the 90's. So the helpers all got colored faces like green and blue. Now they are black again, and it is more seen as a positive thing, like that black people are friendly hard workers that gladly help a old white Saint. It is hard to deal with 100 year old traditions. The wikipedia article has some interesting info on a holiday that is probably unknown to most Americans, and probably a lot of Europeans also. > Like Thumper says in Bambi "If you can't say something nice, don't say > anything at all!" Or "If someone can't say something nice to you, just ignore them" - Erwin ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:55:00 GMT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Message-Id: <20060507.115533.752.41860 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> True, and many persons are quick to distinguish between 'Jews' as member= s of an ethnic group versus 'Jews' as followers of a religion. /s/ Richard ______________________ > Interestingly enough... all my (US citizens of african slave heritage= ) friends call themselves "black" as a skin color and "African-American= " as a race. They are not the same thing in their mind. = ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:58:30 GMT Subject: Re: Phd Message-Id: <20060507.115834.752.41866 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> That is often the case. /s/ Richard, JD ____________________________ For many of the PhD's that I have worked and taught with, I have found in most cases it simply meant that they can Pile it Higher and Deeper. I totally agree. Steve, MFA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605071204h3d41d3c9u81d5f6cc1cad26e0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:04:37 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Phd In-Reply-To: References: I agree. Though I've got "More F Attitude" myself.... On 5/7/06, Steve Larson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For many of the PhD's that I have worked and taught > with, I have found in most cases it simply meant > that they can Pile it Higher and Deeper. I totally > agree. > > Steve, MFA > -- Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:21:17 GMT Subject: Re: gender dedicated classes Message-Id: <20060507.122142.752.41897 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Yes, but in sports it is often difficult to strictly comply with those l= aws without adhering to the accounting requirements that are triggered b= y Title IX. Hence, UCLA had to obtain outside legal advice when a male w= anted to be a 'Flag Person' among the Flagirls at several football games= . Apparently, coed teams of Songleaders, Cheerleaders, Yelleaders, and t= he like, were part of Music Department as was the Band, and the Dance Te= am was part of the Dance Department, which were unaffected by Title IX, = but the dozens of Flagirls were considered a sports team, so they were r= egulated as far as funding from the University was concerned. /s/ Richard ____________________ > In the mid 1970s, US federal law made it illegal to restrict access t= o courses based on gender. = > Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <443B81247BCF8344A0ECC0B37B4CDA430BE00D [at] iu-mssg-mbx109.ads.iu.edu> References: From: "Meixner, Rebekkah Jean" Frank, =20 I have some concerns over what you have typed. I do hope that you typed = and hit send before you reread your comments and that we are just having = a slight misunderstanding but if not, well let's just jump right in = shale we. =20 "I didn't really want to butt in on this topic, but I feel that I = should. Understand, if someone can do a job competently, I don't care what sex = they are, but I do require the competence. But whn I see people crawling round the = stage floor nailing hardboard (masonite) to it, who don't even know how to use = a hammer, I feel concerned." =20 Well I feel more concerned that you allow, as I can only assume women, = to crawl around on your stage floor to do a job that you clearly see is = something that those particular individuals might not be trained to do. = I do hope that when you see someone, whether it is a man or a woman whom = needs more training in the task at hand that you are helping them to = learn the proper way to do things instead of standing to the side and = thinking ill of them.=20 =20 "But, generally, women tend to have a lower level of technical = understanding."=20 =20 I have yet to meet a woman whom I have not been able to teach how to use = a hammer, a screw gun, or how to build a proper Hollywood flat. The = insinuation that women have lower level of technical understanding is = just plain ridiculous. I will grant you that in some areas of the world = women have a lower level of technical training but to say that women = generally cannot understand technical material is absurd.=20 =20 "I think that is due to old fashioned educational princioles, but it is = a fact. The 'softer sex' is taught skills in the softer trades. This reflects = the prejudices of the day." =20 First, what day are you speaking of? Second, "the softer sex", I have = worked with men whom are far softer then I ever will be, both in = physical stature and in personality. Third, principles.=20 =20 "PC apart, many women have had to learn DIY skills, and some of these carry over into theatrical work.And others too." =20 DIY skills? I have great issue with anyone insinuating that my training = can be equated with a "Do-it-Yourself" skill that you can learn from = reading a magazine cover in the check out at Home Depot. I am an artist, = a craftsman, and above all a trained theatrical technician. You have not = only belittled my skill and training but also the training of those who = have trained me.=20 =20 "The best three SMs I have worked with were both female. Technicians, = they were not: managers they were. They ran a very tight ship." =20 First, shouldn't it be the three of them were females? Not both. Second, = I have worked with SM's whom were male, and female and the good ones all = ran a tight ship. I have worked also with males and females, whom were = damn fine technicians. Just because three women whom you have worked = with, as Stage Mangers were not as technically astute as others does not = mean that all women whom are stage managers are technically inept. It = just might mean that they have different set of skills. =20 =20 I tend to not "butt in" very often; I would have to say that I am a = lurker at best. But this topic is one very close to me heart, well it = has to due often to the things sitting on top of my heart. I have put up = with my fair share of comments, snide remarks, and the occasional lapses = of judgment when the person speaking to me starts staring a foot beneath = my face while talking. Like most women in this industry I have been told = to "not worry about it", "it's only a joke", or even better yet "don't = let it get you down". I have been told to "be careful with that screw = gun because that ain't a blender" as well as "I'm not gonna sweep the = shop, that's a woman's job." Well, these comments often DO get me down. = How can we as an industry get rid of these horrific prejudices when we = ourselves can't even play nice. I don't expect a free lunch in life. I = work very hard to get what I do and to get where I have. Sadly I = understand that not all women share this trait of mine. I am happy to = say that most women in this industry do share it and for those whom do = not, they tend to not last that long anyways.=20 =20 Rebekkah Meixner ________________________________ From: Stagecraft on behalf of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Sat 5/6/2006 5:50 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: "...a man's job" For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 06/05/06 20:48:05 GMT Daylight Time, = ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > Well, Playing Nice is a good idea, but playing Safe is even better, = and > derogatory comments can endanger the speaker when the listener takes offense. > When in Rome, do as the Romans do. In this Theatrical arena, Political > Correctness is being strictly enforced, often by the offended party = using > self-help, normally, but not always, with sub-lethal results, when the = law > proves inadequate to address their needs. We have reached a point in = which > some persons, not necessarily women, find that they are unable to = comply with > what today's protocol mandates and it is they who are forced out of = our shops > and stages. > /s/ Richard > _________________________ > Remember: we work in technical theatre and are hefting around sheets = of 3/4" > ply and are adept at using power tools....we can, and will, kick your = ass! I didn't really want to butt in on this topic, but I feel that I should. Understand, if someone can do a job competently, I don't care what sex = they are, but I do require the competence. But whn I see people crawling round the = stage floor nailing hardboard (masonite) to it, who don't even know how to use = a hammer, I feel concerned. But, generally, women tend to have a lower level of technical = understanding. I think that is due to old fashioned educational princioles, but it is a = fact. The 'softer sex' is taught skills in the softer trades. This reflects = the prejudices of the day. It is different nowadays. PC apart, many women have had to learn DIY = skills, and some of these carry over into theatrical work.And others too. The = best three SMs I have worked with were both female. Technicians, they were = not: managers they were. They ran a very tight ship. One at least still does: = I married her. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00a301c67226$20aadc70$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The insinuation that women have lower level > of technical understanding is just plain ridiculous. Frank is, I assume, a candidate for the presidency of Harvard. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <423.44dce2.318fcf95 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:32:53 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 19:21:55 GMT Daylight Time, peter [at] scheuconsulting.com writes: > >It worked both ways. Students from our associated girls' > >school came to us for Physics and Chemistry: students from us went to them > for Biology. > > ... And I bet the girls taught the boys a thing or two about biology. ;-) I shouldn't think so. Remember that this was the late fifties. Besides, the two we sent needed to learn the subject from scratch to university entrance level in two years, flat. When last I heard of them, one was a dentist in the North East, and the other was lecturing at the Royal Veterinary College. I don't know what happened to the three girls we had in for Physics and Chemistry: those who practice professions with registers are easier to track down. It was just a matter of available teaching staff, and perhaps of the remains of a sex-related prejudice. We had the highly qualified and experienced teachers of hard science, the girls' school had them for the softer sciences. It was the way things were, then. In spite of being almost a mile apart, the two schools now function as one, as far as I can tell. They were both founded in the twenties, to cope with the expanding population of the City of York. I think I was very lucky. Most of the teachers had earned second degrees, and nearly all of them were good, and had been teaching since before the war. One or two, less so. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <36c.37a0234.318fd350 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:48:48 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 19:56:52 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > True, and many persons are quick to distinguish between 'Jews' as members of > an ethnic group versus 'Jews' as followers of a religion. The two tend to match fairly closely, but not totally, at least in the UK. But the racial stereotypes are a matter for cartoons. Take me as an example. I have dark hair, or had when I had some; I have dark eyes, a big nose, and a long, oval face, together with a darkish complexion when I've been out in the sun. By the stereotypes, that suggests Jewish. But it is a matter of fact that my 16 great-great-grandparents were all English. Further back than that I cannot go. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT - students looking for summer work Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thank guys, this is great! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <429.41ad3c.318fd5bc [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:59:08 EDT Subject: Re: Phd In a message dated 07/05/06 20:05:16 GMT Daylight Time, scparker [at] gmail.com writes: > > For many of the PhD's that I have worked and taught > > with, I have found in most cases it simply meant > > that they can Pile it Higher and Deeper. I totally > > agree. It depends. Most of my graduate colleagues have been content with a simple B.Sc from a reputable university. Trying to make transatlantic comparisons is hard, but I have always had the impression that an US masters degree was about the equivalent of our UK bachelors' degree. I may be wrong. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00ad01c6722a$2fc0df80$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > By the stereotypes, that suggests Jewish. > > But it is a matter of fact that my 16 > great-great-grandparents were all > English. ...And Jews can't be English? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Phd Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:04:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c6722a$93d79590$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I may be wrong. Who are you? Where's Frank? ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <60.6941fe52.318fe311 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:56:01 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 23:13:25 GMT Daylight Time, rmeixner [at] ius.edu writes: > I have some concerns over what you have typed. I do hope that you typed and > hit send before you reread your comments and that we are just having a slight > misunderstanding but if not, well let's just jump right in shale we. Rest assured that what I post, I mean. That you may disagree with it, I accept. > > Well I feel more concerned that you allow, as I can only assume women, to > crawl around on your stage floor to do a job that you clearly see is > something that those particular individuals might not be trained to do. I do > hope that when you see someone, whether it is a man or a woman whom needs > more training in the task at hand that you are helping them to learn the > proper way to do things instead of standing to the side and thinking ill of > them. I do what I can. But I am an LD passing from one place to another. It is a problem to us that the low-grade labour is exclusively female, and young. > > "But, generally, women tend to have a lower level of technical understanding. " >I have yet to meet a woman whom I have not been able to teach how to use a > hammer, a screw gun, or how to build a proper Hollywood flat. The insinuation > that women have lower level of technical understanding is just plain > ridiculous. I will grant you that in some areas of the world women have a > lower level of technical training but to say that women generally cannot > understand technical material is absurd. Well, I have, and I married her. We made a good SM team. She did the management, I dealt with the technology. It worked well. > "I think that is due to old fashioned educational princioles, but it is a > fact. > The 'softer sex' is taught skills in the softer trades. This reflects the > prejudices of the day." > > First, what day are you speaking of? Second, "the softer sex", I have worked > with men whom are far softer then I ever will be, both in physical stature > and in personality. Third, principles. Well, of the fifties, when I was at school. The expectations were different, then. > DIY skills? I have great issue with anyone insinuating that my training can > be equated with a "Do-it-Yourself" skill that you can learn from reading a > magazine cover in the check out at Home Depot. I am an artist, a craftsman, > and above all a trained theatrical technician. And, I note not a craftsWOMAN. You have not only belittled my > skill and training but also the training of those who have trained me. Cobblers! I have said nothing about your skills, and nor shall I. I don't know what they are, if any. I just have to go by the words you write. > > "The best three SMs I have worked with were both female. Technicians, they > were not: > managers they were. They ran a very tight ship." > > First, shouldn't it be the three of them were females? Not both Yes, it should. I was careless, and remembered a third, later. . Second, I > have worked with SM's whom were male, and female and the good ones all ran a > tight ship. I have worked also with males and females, whom were damn fine > technicians. Just because three women whom you have worked with, as Stage > Mangers were not as technically astute as others does not mean that all women > whom are stage managers are technically inept. It just might mean that they > have different set of skills. Indeed. There are two parts to the job. Managing the show, and coping with the technicalities. Few people can handle both. > > I tend to not "butt in" very often; I would have to say that I am a lurker > at best. But this topic is one very close to me heart, well it has to due > often to the things sitting on top of my heart. I have put up with my fair > share of comments, snide remarks, and the occasional lapses of judgment when > the person speaking to me starts staring a foot beneath my face while talking. > Like most women in this industry I have been told to "not worry about it", " > it's only a joke", or even better yet "don't let it get you down". I have > been told to "be careful with that screw gun because that ain't a blender" as > well as "I'm not gonna sweep the shop, that's a woman's job." Well, these > comments often DO get me down. How can we as an industry get rid of these > horrific prejudices when we ourselves can't even play nice. I don't expect a > free lunch in life. I work very hard to get what I do and to get where I have. > Sadly I understand that not all women share this trait of mine. I am happy > to say that most women in this industry do share it and for those whom do not, > they tend to not last that long anyways. I agree in principle. But, in practice, your competence needs to be demonstrable. As with all crew. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.4ecb10d1.318fe4c8 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:03:20 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 07/05/06 23:33:13 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > The insinuation that women have lower level > > of technical understanding is just plain ridiculous. Some have, and some not. I do not believe that there is anything inherent in it, but just to their different education, or perhaps to the expectations of their educators. > > Frank is, I assume, a candidate for the presidency of Harvard. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003101c67234$252845e0$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net> From: "Donald A Rowe" References: Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:12:50 -0400 Could have been the Highend DL-2's..... We used DL-1's for the Penguins home opener this season, real expensive at the time but they too a feed from a computer so the image was top notch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Larson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Projection at NHL hockey game > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Last night at the Carolina/New Jersey hockey game, > they had an unbelievable projection before the game > and during the intermissions. They used three projectors > and projected images that completely covered the ice. > Imagine the face of your favorite hockey player > projected the width of the ice. Imagine a projection > of the Stanley Cup the length and width of the entire rink. > The projections were often turned 90 degrees so the folks > in the areas behind the goals were looking at them correctly. > The folks in the cheap seats undoubtedly had the best > look, but it was bright, crisp, and breathtaking. > > Oh, yes, a word to Marty B - "there's no whining > in hockey". Take it like a man, bud. This is the > new hockey in the NHL. > > Anyone know what they are using for projectors. > When the slides changed you could see the old images > rotate out and the new one rotate in. > > Steve > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <445EAC5E.40805 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 22:26:38 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> The insinuation that women have lower level >> of technical understanding is just plain ridiculous. > > Frank is, I assume, a candidate for the presidency of Harvard. > Nope. President of Harvard University has to acknowledge the expertise of others, and understand that there are many are others out there who know much more about a given subject than what he knows. Also has to play the game of academic politics fairly decently. --Dale ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3e7.1d940bd.31900e31 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:00:01 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" jeff salzberg wrote: >"Intent" of course, is a vital component (although too much discussion of >intent will start to make this look like a forum about acting), but "effect" >is equally relevant, whether that effect is deliberate or not. Perhaps our esteemed counselor on the list could clarify the point, but I seem to recall that in cases of sexual harassment _intent_ is irrelevant. It is the _perception_ of the offended that matters exclusively. This, I think, leads to the unfortunate consequence of turning the burden of proof on its head and giving us cases where one is presumed guilty until proven innocent which in such cases is practically impossible to do. SteveV Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:46:27 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game In-Reply-To: References: > Oh, yes, a word to Marty B - "there's no whining > in hockey". Take it like a man, bud. This is the > new hockey in the NHL. I'd be taking this way off topic, but I could go on and on about hockey...so I'll just leave this alone with a quick mention of Khachaturian's "Sabre Dance" and leave it at that. Those who recognize the reference will understand... :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1078.64.28.61.51.1147061523.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain From: "Bill Nelson" >> Very fine lead dust is pyrophoric. Matter of fact, there used to be a >> demonstration performed by high school physics/chemistry teachers to >> demonstrate this principle. Given the current lead hysteria, I doubt if >> it is used any longer. > > Most fine powders are. Back when I was at school, this was demonstrated > using flour. Some years ago, there was an on-stage fire at a theatre in > Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Naturally, the iron was dropped. But the fire set off > a dust explosion, which caused a large lump to appear in it. That is not an example of being pyrophoric. A pyrophoric material ignites spontaneously (usually on exposure to the atmosphere) - it does not need to be exposed to a spark, flame or heat source. Simply exposing the atomized lead to the air causes it to ignite. While other materials will do the same, lead was used because of the ease of preparing the atomized metal. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:52:12 -0700 From: "Mat Goebel" Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound) Cc: sac [at] list.synaudcon.com (Syn-Aud-Con List) Subject: OT - Data Recovery Sorry for the bandwidth, but I'm in a bad situation, and I Thought some of you might have run into this problem before. So I have a portable external Seagate drive that I house all of my archived work, effects libraries, etc on. I lent it to someone for a week, and when I get it back, my entire archived work folder is corrupted and won't open. I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the data seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being 2k in size and play only the first split second of the original recording. I have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk doctor. Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer? Thanks, all. -- Mat Goebel www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2222.64.28.61.51.1147073953.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery From: "Bill Nelson" > I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the data > seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being 2k in > size and play only the first split second of the original recording. I > have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk doctor. Sounds like the person may have corrupted the directory. > Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer? If you absolutely need the data - there are companies that specialize in data recovery. But it is not cheap. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #798 *****************************