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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #799

 1. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Nigel Worsley" <nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com>
 2. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
 3. Re: Free audio cue player offer
    by "Mike Burnett" <mburnett [at] huntington.edu>
 4. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
 5. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
 6. Station Fire Sentencing
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
 7. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
 8. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
 9. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
10. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
11. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
12. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
13. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
14. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
15. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
16. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
17. Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
18. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
19. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
20. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
21. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
22. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Daniel O'Donnell" <dan [at] mystykworks.com>
23. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
24. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
25. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
26. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
27. Re: Safety Frames/Lighting Accessories
    by Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
28. Re: "...a man's job"
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: Free audio cue player offer
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
30. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
31. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
32. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
33. Last minute summer job opening
    by <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
34. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
35. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
36. Re: "...a man's job"
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
37. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
38. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
39. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
40. Re: "...a man's job"
    by Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
41. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
42. Re: "...a man's job"
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
43. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
44. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
45. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
46. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
47. Re: OT - Data Destruction
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
48. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
49. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
50. Re: OT - Data Destruction
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
51. Re: OT - Data Destruction
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
52. OT - Data Recovery
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
53. Re: OT - Data Destruction
    by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
54. Re: News
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
55. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
56. Re: OT - Data Recovery
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
57. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
58. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
59. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
60. Re: Political Correctness
    by JT <BothJT [at] verizon.net>
61. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
62. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
63. Re: Phd
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
64. Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
65. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
66. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game
    by "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
67. Re: "...a man's job"
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>

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Message-ID: <254301c67287$695c5cd0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop>
From: "Nigel Worsley" <nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:08:53 +0100

"Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
> I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the data
> seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being 2k in
> size and play only the first split second of the original recording. I
> have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk doctor.
>
> Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer?

Those CHK files represent all your missing files, the problem is sorting out which ones.
This utility http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/chkmate.htm will sort out the file type, so that
you can them open them in the correct application to see what is in them. I haven't used
this program myself, but it look like it could save you a great deal of time.

Nigel Worsley


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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: RE: Projection at NHL hockey game
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:52:36 -0400
Message-ID: <004d01c67295$e69cff20$6901a8c0 [at] M60>
In-Reply-To: <list-30027504 [at] prxy.net>

...Last night at the Carolina/New Jersey hockey game, they had an
unbelievable projection before the game and during the
intermissions...Anyone know what they are using for projectors....

Steve:

I believe, but could be wrong, that they were PIGI projectors, and the
design was by Bob Levac of Montreal.  He happened to be exhibiting at USITT
in the booth next to ours, and we talked a lot about this system.  He works
for Trizart Alliance: www.trizart-alliance.com.

Jonathan

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Jonathan S. Deull
jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com
www.clarktransfer.com/jsd/htm




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Subject: RE: Free audio cue player offer
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:23:58 -0400
Message-ID: <C7F9B0933E08584B8E8C98EA819DDDAC06A29D3D [at] joshua.huntington.edu>
From: "Mike Burnett" <mburnett [at] huntington.edu>

Ditto as for Ed. Folks. Can you send me a copy as well?

Thanks,
MB

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Art
Corey
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer

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Hello David,

Please send me a copy of your Cue Player program. I don't know about the

pro's on the list but us Community theatre types really appreciate=20
offers like yours.

Thanks,
Art Corey
FSLT.org



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Message-ID: <002501c672a4$34379a20$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:34:59 -0400

the chkmate program does a pretty good job you might also want to try
putting your HD on an old WIN 98 system and working in DOS.  I work on alot
of computers and a little trade secret is that HDs don't spin at full speed
in DOS and "SOMETIMES" making the HD look at a spot longer than normal
brings some things back.  I make no promises but if you want to email me off
list I can give you some options.
Oh and just for list knowledge, I live in Pittsburgh and Seagate is made in
Pittsburgh, giving me the ability to pick them up or get no cost shipping.
I still only use Western Digital drives in any vital system or as backup
drives.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nigel Worsley" <nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
> > I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the data
> > seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being 2k in
> > size and play only the first split second of the original recording. I
> > have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk doctor.
> >
> > Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer?
>
> Those CHK files represent all your missing files, the problem is sorting
out which ones.
> This utility http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/chkmate.htm will sort out the
file type, so that
> you can them open them in the correct application to see what is in them.
I haven't used
> this program myself, but it look like it could save you a great deal of
time.
>
> Nigel Worsley
>


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Message-ID: <001401c672a9$56f5b2e0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:11:45 -0600

I had my  C drive crash on me in January.
I found urgentrecoverypro.
http://www.soft3k.com/URGENTRECOVERY-Professional-p11472.htm

it's $115.00 ( mid to low end for self-recovery software.)  It had
the best interface to me.
Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.

They have a tryware version that allows less than 2KB files to be
recovered
did I mention Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.

Hope this helps.

Rob't

>
> the chkmate program does a pretty good job you might also want to
try
> putting your HD on an old WIN 98 system and working in DOS.  I
work on alot
> of computers and a little trade secret is that HDs don't spin at
full speed
> in DOS and "SOMETIMES" making the HD look at a spot longer than
normal
> brings some things back.  I make no promises but if you want to
email me off
> list I can give you some options.
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
> > > I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the
data
> > > seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being
2k in
> > > size and play only the first split second of the original
recording. I
> > > have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk
doctor.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer?
> >
> > Those CHK files represent all your missing files, the problem is
sorting
> out which ones.
> > This utility http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/chkmate.htm will sort
out the
> file type, so that
> > you can them open them in the correct application to see what is
in them.
> I haven't used
> > this program myself, but it look like it could save you a great
deal of
> time.
> >
> > Nigel Worsley
> >
>


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060508071148.022f18a0 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 07:14:20 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: Station Fire Sentencing

If you are reading this message Monday morning, Court TV is covering 
the sentencing of the band manager live as I type.  May be tape 
delayed in western time zones.  Since my wife is a Court TV addict, 
will post later if anything interesting.

Jerry Gorrell



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Message-ID: <445F53A8.6020405 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:20:24 -0400
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net>

In my real job I am a certified Computer Forensics Analyst. Data
recovery is a tricky thing especially if you don't know what you are
doing. First rule is don't do anything unless you are sure. Most of the
times I couldn't recover data was because the client tried to fix it
themselves. I would take it to a professional if the data is absolutely
critical. A professional will know what software to use or not use, also
a good professional will take a bit by bit image of the hard drive and
try to recover from that not the original. If you want some more
information ping me off line.

Charlie

Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I had my  C drive crash on me in January.
> I found urgentrecoverypro.
> http://www.soft3k.com/URGENTRECOVERY-Professional-p11472.htm
>
> it's $115.00 ( mid to low end for self-recovery software.)  It had
> the best interface to me.
> Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
>
> They have a tryware version that allows less than 2KB files to be
> recovered
> did I mention Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Rob't
>
>   
>> the chkmate program does a pretty good job you might also want to
>>     
> try
>   
>> putting your HD on an old WIN 98 system and working in DOS.  I
>>     
> work on alot
>   
>> of computers and a little trade secret is that HDs don't spin at
>>     
> full speed
>   
>> in DOS and "SOMETIMES" making the HD look at a spot longer than
>>     
> normal
>   
>> brings some things back.  I make no promises but if you want to
>>     
> email me off
>   
>> list I can give you some options.
>>     
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
>>>       
>>>> I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the
>>>>         
> data
>   
>>>> seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being
>>>>         
> 2k in
>   
>>>> size and play only the first split second of the original
>>>>         
> recording. I
>   
>>>> have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk
>>>>         
> doctor.
>   
>>>> Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer?
>>>>         
>>> Those CHK files represent all your missing files, the problem is
>>>       
> sorting
>   
>> out which ones.
>>     
>>> This utility http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/chkmate.htm will sort
>>>       
> out the
>   
>> file type, so that
>>     
>>> you can them open them in the correct application to see what is
>>>       
> in them.
>   
>> I haven't used
>>     
>>> this program myself, but it look like it could save you a great
>>>       
> deal of
>   
>> time.
>>     
>>> Nigel Worsley
>>>
>>>       
>
>
>
>   


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Message-ID: <445F5633.2090406 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:31:15 -0400
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net>

Also, BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP! DVD burners are less than $100 (media
25 - 50 cents), external  hard drives 100 gig and up $200 and up.
Professional data recovery starts at about $2-300 and usually winds up
costing over $1000 and it's not guaranteed. Need I say more? ;-) Who
including me will be backing up tonight? ;-)

Charlie

Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I had my  C drive crash on me in January.
> I found urgentrecoverypro.
> http://www.soft3k.com/URGENTRECOVERY-Professional-p11472.htm
>
> it's $115.00 ( mid to low end for self-recovery software.)  It had
> the best interface to me.
> Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
>
> They have a tryware version that allows less than 2KB files to be
> recovered
> did I mention Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Rob't
>
>   
>> the chkmate program does a pretty good job you might also want to
>>     
> try
>   
>> putting your HD on an old WIN 98 system and working in DOS.  I
>>     
> work on alot
>   
>> of computers and a little trade secret is that HDs don't spin at
>>     
> full speed
>   
>> in DOS and "SOMETIMES" making the HD look at a spot longer than
>>     
> normal
>   
>> brings some things back.  I make no promises but if you want to
>>     
> email me off
>   
>> list I can give you some options.
>>     
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
>>>       
>>>> I run scandisk, am able to access the folders and most of the
>>>>         
> data
>   
>>>> seems to be okay. But a lot of the wav files show up as being
>>>>         
> 2k in
>   
>>>> size and play only the first split second of the original
>>>>         
> recording. I
>   
>>>> have 300mb worth of CHK files from scandisk and norton disk
>>>>         
> doctor.
>   
>>>> Has anyone else run into this or have any guidance to offer?
>>>>         
>>> Those CHK files represent all your missing files, the problem is
>>>       
> sorting
>   
>> out which ones.
>>     
>>> This utility http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/chkmate.htm will sort
>>>       
> out the
>   
>> file type, so that
>>     
>>> you can them open them in the correct application to see what is
>>>       
> in them.
>   
>> I haven't used
>>     
>>> this program myself, but it look like it could save you a great
>>>       
> deal of
>   
>> time.
>>     
>>> Nigel Worsley
>>>
>>>       
>
>
>
>   


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In-Reply-To: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <2EFFA876-9AA0-41AE-B219-9D0ED0A207BF [at] gmail.com>
From: Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:41:44 -0500

On 08 May, 2006, at 01:52 , Mat Goebel wrote:

> So I have a portable external Seagate drive that I house all of my
> archived work, effects libraries, etc on. I lent it to someone for a
> week, and when I get it back, my entire archived work folder is
> corrupted and won't open.

This happened to me last year, except it was on my primary hard drive  
and I hadn't yet learned the lesson about proper and regular back- 
ups.  I ended up taking my hard drive to a local company that  
specializes in data recovery.  Its not cheap, but they base their fee  
on the amount of data that you want recovered from the hard drive.   
For example, if its a 40GB HD but you only want about 5GB restored,  
it won't cost you as much as if you wanted the entire 40GB restored.   
They'll even tell you what data is recoverable so you know what  
you'll be getting back before you decide how much to recover.  Their  
website is http://www.tlctechnology.com.  There are, of course, other  
companies that will perform this service for you.

Another option is SpinRite [www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm].  I've never  
used it, but I hear it touted all the time as the best data recovery  
program out there.

Good luck!

--
Sincerely,

Andrew Vance
Lighting Designer
atvanceld [at] gmail.com




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Message-ID: <000a01c672ae$391a2ad0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net> <list-30032308 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:46:42 -0600

To second Charlie
>First rule is don't do anything unless you are sure
>BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP

I had a dozen files that I considered critical. lost on that failed
c drive.
I got them back.  after about  60 hours of my time.  It was a 200GB
hard drive.
And yes I had to look at just about every file to see if that was
the one I needed.
Every thing else WAS backed up.

what is 60 hours of your time worth?   that was about 5 hours a
file.

Rob't

> Also, ! DVD burners are less than $100 (media
> 25 - 50 cents), external  hard drives 100 gig and up $200 and up.
> Professional data recovery starts at about $2-300 and usually
winds up
> costing over $1000 and it's not guaranteed. Need I say more? ;-)
Who
> including me will be backing up tonight? ;-)
>
> Charlie
>
> > Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
> >
> > They have a tryware version that allows less than 2KB files to
be
> > recovered
> > did I mention Have LOTS of patience. and lots of time.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Rob't
> >


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Message-ID: <000901c672ae$59025980$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
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Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:47:36 -0700

> Also, BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP! DVD burners are less than $100 (media
> 25 - 50 cents), external  hard drives 100 gig and up $200 and up.
> Professional data recovery starts at about $2-300 and usually winds up
> costing over $1000 and it's not guaranteed. Need I say more? ;-) Who
> including me will be backing up tonight? ;-)


<whine mode>
But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much of a pain is it 
to try to recover last data?  But people like me, with several hundred gigs 
of data across many drives - I ain't gonna sit here switching DVD-Rs every 
20 minutes for the next 20 hours.  Tape drives?  Please...  anything with 
any real capacity (or tape changing mechanism) is prohibitively expensive. 
External drives?  Got 'em - use 'em.  But extended data file transfers 
frequently end up being corrupt, thus is worse than leaving the original 
data where it was.  (30-40 mins into a data transfer, one or the other drive 
times out, resulting in corruption, or a "cannot find file" type of error.)

Ok, I'm done now.
</whine mode>

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:01:57 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-reply-to: <list-30032308 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <2A2D91F6-F197-4382-854E-3CC47B3844E5 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net>
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On May 8, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Charles Fraser wrote:

> Also, BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP! DVD burners are less than $100 (media
> 25 - 50 cents), external  hard drives 100 gig and up $200 and up.
> Professional data recovery starts at about $2-300 and usually winds up
> costing over $1000 and it's not guaranteed. Need I say more? ;-) Who
> including me will be backing up tonight? ;-)

I use NovaBackup from www.novastor.com to back up all the systems on  
our network (except the Macs (it can see the Macs, but won't touch  
them)) to DVD.  Good price, good support.

One thing I did learn years ago, don't use free software that comes  
with the drive.  Back when CD-R drives had just come out I was using  
one for backups with the software that came with it.  After about a  
few months the drive died and they replaced it.  Only, the new drive  
wouldn't read the old disks!  It seems their free custom software was  
doing something "cute" to get more data on the disk and it didn't  
work on the new drives.  The company said "sorry, we can't help you  
read the old disks".

Also, keep a copy of your backup software in a non-compressed format  
on a CD someplace, so you can recover from a total crash.

#1 rule, anything you lend out is going to come back broken.



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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:05:31 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-reply-to: <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <0E38D29A-D130-49F1-8C11-6F60F4CC5C8C [at] interstellar.com>
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 <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net>


On May 8, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Jon Ares wrote:

> But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much of a  
> pain is it to try to recover last data?  But people like me, with  
> several hundred gigs of data across many drives - I ain't gonna sit  
> here switching DVD-Rs every 20 minutes for the next 20 hours.

RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical and  
each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID (mirror).  My  
wife had a drive die, the indication was the small blinking icon  
saying we should replace that soon.  Her work didn't stop.  I lost a  
mother board, just popped the drives in her computer when I needed to  
work.  That slowed us down, but no data was lost.


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Message-ID: <445F5EF9.8050604 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:08:41 -0400
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net> <list-30032308 [at] prxy.net> <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net>

Jon, If you have that much data you may want to look into a tape drive.
Tape drives are a little more expensive (can get deals on Ebay) but will
allow you to change tapes less and have some peace of mind.

Charlie


Jon Ares wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> Also, BACKUP, BACKUP and BACKUP! DVD burners are less than $100 (media
>> 25 - 50 cents), external  hard drives 100 gig and up $200 and up.
>> Professional data recovery starts at about $2-300 and usually winds up
>> costing over $1000 and it's not guaranteed. Need I say more? ;-) Who
>> including me will be backing up tonight? ;-)
>
>
> <whine mode>
> But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much of a pain
> is it to try to recover last data?  But people like me, with several
> hundred gigs of data across many drives - I ain't gonna sit here
> switching DVD-Rs every 20 minutes for the next 20 hours.  Tape
> drives?  Please...  anything with any real capacity (or tape changing
> mechanism) is prohibitively expensive. External drives?  Got 'em - use
> 'em.  But extended data file transfers frequently end up being
> corrupt, thus is worse than leaving the original data where it was. 
> (30-40 mins into a data transfer, one or the other drive times out,
> resulting in corruption, or a "cannot find file" type of error.)
>
> Ok, I'm done now.
> </whine mode>
>
>     - Jon Ares
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
>
>


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Message-ID: <445F5FA6.3060906 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:11:34 -0400
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30024507 [at] prxy.net> <list-30027760 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031089 [at] prxy.net> <list-30031883 [at] prxy.net> <list-30032308 [at] prxy.net> <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net> <list-30033054 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30033054 [at] prxy.net>

RAID is a good idea, but Windows XP does not support software RAID and
hardware RAID's take a little knowledge to set up. For the lay user in
my opinion CD's\DVD's, external drives and tape backup easier to set up
and manage and around the same cost.

Charlie


Jerry Durand wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On May 8, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Jon Ares wrote:
>
>> But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much of a pain
>> is it to try to recover last data?  But people like me, with several
>> hundred gigs of data across many drives - I ain't gonna sit here
>> switching DVD-Rs every 20 minutes for the next 20 hours.
>
> RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical and each
> has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID (mirror).  My wife had
> a drive die, the indication was the small blinking icon saying we
> should replace that soon.  Her work didn't stop.  I lost a mother
> board, just popped the drives in her computer when I needed to work. 
> That slowed us down, but no data was lost.
>
>
>


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From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:32:26 -0400
Message-ID: <013a01c672b4$9c5a9660$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866>
In-Reply-To: <list-30033054 [at] prxy.net>

> > But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much 
> of a pain 

> RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical 
> and each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID 
> (mirror).

I've done this in the past, and it works very well.  A perfect backup of
everything is always right there.

But now I do something different.  I have a script (basically a DOS batch
file) that runs every night, copying changed files from my main drive to my
backup drive (a 160GB drive in an external FireWire case).  Sometimes I'll
invoke the script manually to, for example, backup eveything I've done in
the morning while I have lunch.

Sometimes I need to recover a file because of a "dumb mistake".  Perhaps I
edited a file without first saving it under a new name.  With RAID, the file
is changed in both places before I realize it.  With my script, the original
is still there until that evening (or whenever I invoke the script).

My backup drive is considerably larger than my main pc drive, and I let old
versions of files "pile up" on it.  Thus, I can sometimes find a file on the
backup drive that I decided to delete on my PC.  Even though I don't delete
files I expect to ever need, this has saved me a lot of hassle several
times.

I also have a 2nd computer in another room (I use it for making music,
actually) with a partition set aside just for backups of my "serious" files.
This partition includes a Ghost image of my XP OS (drive C:), and a complete
clone of my data (drive D:) that I make every Friday.

All my data is on a separate drive so I can restore XP from the Ghost
without losing anything.  Over the years, I've even managed to get my
address book, web favorites, and other stuff Microsoft has buried in funny
places to end up on my data drive.

Ok, I'm rambling... The point I'm making is -- for me -- a system that is a
little less automatic than a RAID array works best for me.  At worst, I
might lose a day of work (which I admit could be quite unpleasant) but the
other advantages appear on a regular basis.  Obviously, a combination of a
RAID drive *and* my script would cover all the bases... And I'm going to
start thinking about that.

Jim
www.theatrewireless.com

P.S.  When I work away from home, I use a rewriteable CD-R as a mini version
of my backup drive.  Although the capacity is low, it generally gets me
through a few days of work.  And I can keep the backup CD separate from the
computer when flying, etc.




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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:33:34 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
Message-ID: <E1Fd7k4-0001Ag-7J [at] elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good morning!

In one of my churches I've got some of the old Berkey Colortran =
ellipsoidals
(213s???) in a hard-to-reach position.  I'm wanting, potentially, to =
change
the lens degree (20=B0 to something else).  I remember doing this a lot =
in
college by moving lenses around in the barrel.  Do any of you now where =
I
can get info on that - paperwork or a manual?  I've been to the
Leviton/Colortran web site but those fixtures old enough that that info
isn't there.  I've also tried Google, but am turning up nothing...

Thanks!

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
landrudesign [at] earthlink.net
www.landrudesign.com




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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:34:55 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-reply-to: <list-30033183 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <3B944B46-0C3E-42CE-97F2-D9E5503D7764 [at] interstellar.com>
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 <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net> <list-30033054 [at] prxy.net> <list-30033183 [at] prxy.net>


On May 8, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Charles Fraser wrote:

> RAID is a good idea, but Windows XP does not support software RAID and
> hardware RAID's take a little knowledge to set up. For the lay user in
> my opinion CD's\DVD's, external drives and tape backup easier to  
> set up
> and manage and around the same cost.

While I have done software RAID, I just bought an Intel motherboard  
(Pentium IV) that has built-in SATA RAID.  The biggest hassle is when  
the CMOS gets corrupted (which happens on PCs due to the, um, unique  
way PC's switch processing modes) the RAID defaults to OFF and won't  
boot.  But, once you get past your panic you just go into setup and  
turn it back on and all is well.

There's also the Promise RAID cards, I haven't used one, but they  
seem simple, inexpensive (compared to the RAID-5 cards I used to  
use), and easy to use.
http://www.promise.com/



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:42:58 -0400
Message-ID: <007001c672b6$154add40$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net>

Inside the barrel is a diagram that tells you everything you need to =
know.
Be advised that if they're not 30-degree fixtures, you might not have =
all
the parts you need -- off the top of my head, the total parts list is:

1- 6"x9" lens
1- 4.4"x9" lens
1- large field stop (think of a flat metal doughnut)
1-small field stop

You can also turn them into 12-degree fixtures by using a single 6"x12" =
lens
with no field stop.


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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:48:42 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-30033924 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1Fd7yo-0002s2-9b [at] elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Inside the barrel is a diagram that tells you everything you 
>need to know.

OK, now I'm remembering that.  I don't know that we have a selection of the
extra parts/lenses and it would be a bummer to have set up multiple levels
of scaffolding, just to have found out that what I was wanting to do wasn't
possible.  You may have saved me that...

Thanks!

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
landrudesign [at] earthlink.net
www.landrudesign.com

 



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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:50:34 -0600
From: Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
In-reply-to: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <445F68CA.5030107 [at] du.edu>
Organization: DU Theatre
References: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net>

Andrew,
It's really pretty simple.  You remove the lens barrel and on top should 
be a chart that shows the lens positions for different degree spreads. 
Loosen the four screws on the sides, remove the "lid", remove the top 
metal flange for the front element, remove the lens, move the bottom 
flange to the correct slot, replace everything and you are done.  You 
might want to do this on the ground and then bench focus if they've been 
up there a lot, I usually never bother, but you do want to change the 
lens on the ground the first couple of times, some of the pieces are 
small.  You don't need to bring anything to the ground but the barrel.
Have fun,
Davy

C. Andrew Dunning wrote:

> 
> In one of my churches I've got some of the old Berkey Colortran ellipsoidals
> (213s???) in a hard-to-reach position.  I'm wanting, potentially, to change
> the lens degree (20° to something else). 

-- 
William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair
Department of Theatre
University of Denver
wdavis [at] du.edu
303-871-3164


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Message-Id: <EF83BE03-2178-4B97-A887-DAAB9E215809 [at] mystykworks.com>
From: "Daniel O'Donnell" <dan [at] mystykworks.com>
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:57:31 -0400

I seem to remember that the inside of the lens train had the =20
information printed on it.  At least telling you which slots for the =20
lenses, don't remember if there are different lenses.

On May 8, 2006, at 11:33 AM, C. Andrew Dunning wrote:

> In one of my churches I've got some of the old Berkey Colortran =20
> ellipsoidals
> (213s???) in a hard-to-reach position.  I'm wanting, potentially, =20
> to change
> the lens degree (20=B0 to something else).  I remember doing this a =20=

> lot in
> college by moving lenses around in the barrel.  Do any of you now =20
> where I
> can get info on that - paperwork or a manual?  I've been to the
> Leviton/Colortran web site but those fixtures old enough that that =20
> info
> isn't there.  I've also tried Google, but am turning up nothing...

---
Daniel R. O'Donnell
dan [at] mystyk.com
http://www.mystyk.com



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Message-ID: <003101c672b8$4e2b5750$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net> <list-30034082 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:58:53 -0700

> Andrew,
> It's really pretty simple.  You remove the lens barrel and on top should 
> be a chart that shows the lens positions for different degree spreads. 
> Loosen the four screws on the sides, remove the "lid", remove the top


<snip>

You're speaking of the Berkey Colortran MINI ellipses... I think he was 
referring to the 6" full size variety.  Once upon a time, before Leviton 
bought Colortran, they had a downloadable PDF cheat sheet for turning the 
5/50s into the various spreads.... I have never had to dismantle one of the 
'old' 213s though....

    - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <445F6D18.8070001 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:08:56 -0400
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30033653 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30033653 [at] prxy.net>

Jim at TheatreWireless.com wrote:

>>>But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much 
>>of a pain 
>
>>RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical 
>>and each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID 
>>(mirror). 
> 
> I've done this in the past, and it works very well.  A perfect backup of
> everything is always right there.
> 
> But now I do something different.  I have a script (basically a DOS batch
> file) that runs every night, 

this is my method. a script that copies everything to another machine in 
a different building every night. I use a free program called RSYNC 
which only copies changed files necessary to keep the copy up-to-date. 
The danger of RAID is that it can instantly copy a catastrophe to your 
backup disk.

----------------H


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:30:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C084EA4A.1084C%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30033924 [at] prxy.net>

> Inside the barrel is a diagram that tells you everything you need to know.
> Be advised that if they're not 30-degree fixtures, you might not have all
> the parts you need -- off the top of my head, the total parts list is:
> 
> 1- 6"x9" lens
> 1- 4.4"x9" lens
> 1- large field stop (think of a flat metal doughnut)
> 1-small field stop
> 
> You can also turn them into 12-degree fixtures by using a single 6"x12" lens
> with no field stop.

    I have (20) 30 degree Colortran ERS units that make up my entire FOH
inventory. I also have a couple of "Partial" units that are missing a piece
or three. A while back I completely disassembled and overhauled a couple of
them to work out the logistics for an assembly line to do the rest of them.
(Re-painting the various parts and all.)

    On my units, there is no such diagram inside the barrels, but there is a
diagram printed on a silver metallic sticker on the side of the yoke.
Perhaps it's an earlier or later iteration of these instruments from what
you are referring to.

    Using the 6"x 9", and in some cases the 4.5"x 9" lens(es), you can
change between 20, 30 & 40 degree settings as I recall. As for the 12
degree, I have one unit that says on the yoke label that it is a 12 degree
instrument. It has a different reflector in it (Narrower / deeper). I'm not
sure if the lens is a 9" or not, since that's one of the missing pieces, but
I don't think you can get 12 degrees with a 30 degree unit's reflector.

    You mentioned the "Flat metal doughnuts". I found a stack of them in a
box, but I'm not sure how these are used. Could you enlighten (Pun intended)
me?

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Message-ID: <003b01c672bd$ffe019e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-30035036 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:39:39 -0700

>    On my units, there is no such diagram inside the barrels, but there is 
> a
> diagram printed on a silver metallic sticker on the side of the yoke.
> Perhaps it's an earlier or later iteration of these instruments from what
> you are referring to.


These are a later version of the 5/50.  For a long time, there were no 
instructions or extra parts supplied to the end user, but a few years ago, 
they started putting the sticker on the yokes, and even shipping each unit 
with the field stops necessary to change the field.  Pretty nice of them! 
Before that, you either had to know people at Colortran (which I did) or, 
through services like this list, find out there was a set of extra parts 
available to do these things.

    - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060508094637.01d98788 [at] pop.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:54:06 -0700
From: Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
Subject: Re: Safety Frames/Lighting Accessories

Hi All,

I'm having some trouble finding a supplier of the same, flameproof 
black fiberboard that is used for safety frames.
Not the frames, the stuff they are made from.
(Sorry for the delay, I'm a digester and have been away from the 
computer for a few days.)

Any ideas?

Thanks!
....Ron
----
Ron Cargile
ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <367.36db900.3190d22d [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:56:13 EDT
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

In a message dated 08/05/06 00:02:02 GMT Daylight Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> > By the stereotypes, that suggests Jewish.
>  > 
>  > But it is a matter of fact that my 16 
>  > great-great-grandparents were all 
>  > English.
>  
>  ...And Jews can't be English?

 You know perfectly well what I meant. In the UK, they tend to live in areas 
within easy walking distance of a synagogue, for religious reasons, and seldom 
marry outside their own faith. This was even more true in the eighteenth and 
nineteenth centuries.

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <e91d76400605081009x14e489b8w955cf056845de123 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:09:09 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer
In-Reply-To: <list-30007194 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30007194 [at] prxy.net>

Sounds cool! Would you be so kind as to send me a copy?

On 5/7/06, David Duffy <david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi everyone,
> Last year I needed an audio player for a play at local high school
> (that I'm a parent at) that could handle a cue list and be able to
> play overlapping audio files. Well, I sat down and wrote one for
> Windows just for the fun of it. Some basics:
>
>     * Only supports stereo output from a single sound card
>     * Plays pretty much any audio file that WM player does
>     * Requires a vaguely recent version of DirectX I think
>     * Works with Windows XP or Win98/SE - use an old PC!
>     * Can use the same audio file in multiple cues
>     * Can play multiple files at the same time (at least 8)
>     * Can overlap playing the same file via multiple cues
>     * Can save, load and name cue lists
>     * Can add, delete and move cues in the list
>     * Adjustable parameters for each individual sound cue
>     * Can pause/restart/stop any cue individually
>     * Progress indicators for each cue that is playing/paused
>     * Can preview cue parameters before committing them
>     * Can auto increment the current cue position
>     * Go button to trigger selected cue (or use the space bar)
>     * All Stop button to stop all cues instantly
>     * Other stuff I've probably forgotten about
>
> If any amateurs would like a copy please email me and I'll be
> happy to send it to you. I may put it up on my web site in the
> future if I start getting too many requests. I wrote the program
> to fill a need at the time and for a little fun. There may be the
> odd bug with it and there's no documentation. It is easy to get
> going however. Just right click in the active area of the cue list
> to start adding cues. It's all straight forward from there.  :-)
>
> Anyway, I hope that this offer helps out some of those groups
> that would like an audio player but can't afford to buy one.
> If you find any bugs or have an idea for improvements feel free
> to email me. I can't promise that it will happen but it would be
> nice to polish it up as I get time to do so. I've already added
> a few features since advertising it on the Theatre Sound list.
> David...
>
> --
> ___________________________________________
> David Duffy        Audio Visual Devices P/L
> Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia
> Ph: +61 7 38235717   Fax: +61 7 38234717
> New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au
> ___________________________________________
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:12:15 -0400
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C084F42F.ADBB%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net>

> But backing up is SUCH a pain!!!  I know, I know, how much of a pain is it
> to try to recover last data?

But losing all your data is SUCH a pain!!!

I've had terrible luck with tape drives, it seems like the one tape you need
to restore from is always the one that's gone bad, and any kind of removable
media (such as DVD-R) requires you to be there while the backup happens,
which can be a very long time.

I'm a firm believer in backing up to an external hard drive, with backup
software that does an automatic clone backup once a week or so, preferably
around 2am when I'm not going to need the computer. I don't leave the backup
drive permanently connected (in case a power surge zaps my primary system),
I connect it before I go to bed on the appropriate night.

If your hard drives time out during extended drive transfers, then
something's wrong with your system. As long as the drive is being read
from/written to, nothing should ever time out. And how can the process of
backing up your drive corrupt the original data?

Once a month or so, I do a backup of all my "vital" files (databases, source
code, financial records, etc.) onto one or more DVD's, which are then stored
off site. That way if the house burns down, I'm still mostly covered.

I've tried backing up to internet-based servers, and the transfer rates are
too slow and the connections too iffy to be feasible.

Good luck!

- John McKernon



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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:24:34 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-reply-to: <list-30036068 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060508102032.01f5d288 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30032638 [at] prxy.net> <list-30036068 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:12 AM 5/8/2006, you wrote:
>I'm a firm believer in backing up to an external hard drive, with backup
>software that does an automatic clone backup once a week or so, preferably
>around 2am when I'm not going to need the computer. I don't leave the backup
>drive permanently connected (in case a power surge zaps my primary system),
>I connect it before I go to bed on the appropriate night.

I set up an accounting firm (the one that does our corporate taxes 
and books) with a Win-00 Server with two large hard drives.  Every 
night the NovaBackup software backs up changes to their customer 
files to the other drive.  Once a week, it makes a complete 
backup.  The accountant's assistant copies old backups off to CD from 
time to time.  They've been happy with that for some time now (they 
did lose a drive, but didn't lose any data).

Something we try to make clear to all our clients, your computer WILL 
fail, often without warning.  It may happen in a minute, it may be in 
10 years, but it WILL die.  Any data not backed up should be assumed 
to be lost.  Plan accordingly.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <3e3.1e8036f.3190d9d2 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:28:50 EDT
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery

In a message dated 08/05/06 16:06:15 GMT Daylight Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical and  
>  each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID (mirror).  My  
>  wife had a drive die, the indication was the small blinking icon  
>  saying we should replace that soon.  Her work didn't stop.  I lost a  
>  mother board, just popped the drives in her computer when I needed to  
>  work.  That slowed us down, but no data was lost.

The other side of the coin.

I am about to replace my computer. Once I have transferred all the files I 
need to the new machine, I should like to make sure that they cannot ever be 
recovered from the old one. Suggestions would be welcome.

I believe that issuing, under DOS, a FORMAT-C command, writing and running a 
little program to record random numbers until the disc is full, and then doing 
FORMAT-C again is foolproof. 


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Subject:  Last minute summer job opening
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:30:00 -0400
Message-ID: <F9E613F2DD66A645B6BD1423FA0EEC321B8A4C [at] exchangeb3.ad.fredonia.edu>
From: <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>

 Forwarded for you consideration.  Contact Karin directly please.
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Karin B [mailto:kbowersock [at] bvtnaples.org]=20
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:25 AM
To: Rees, Stephen E
Subject: Last minute summer job opening for your students?

Hi Steve,
I'm Karin Bowersock, Artistic Director at Bristol Valley Theater in
Naples, NY.

I know the hour is late and most of your students will have secured
summer jobs by now, but I've had a carpenter back out on my summer
season and am hoping that maybe someone in your program hasn't scored a
summer job yet.

Here are the details:
the start date is May 20 (this might be flexible). The end date is
August 20 (again, some possible flexibility here).  Pay is $225 per week
plus we offer free housing.  The crew will be the TD, another carpenter,
and an intern to create 5 sets (a new one every 2 weeks).  For an idea
of our production values, visit our website at www.bvtnaples.org.

There may also be a set design opportunity for this carpenter for our
touring kid's show. (additional stipend available for that).

The company is tight, we work hard and have a great time doing it.  If
you know anyone interested, or can pass this along, interested parties
can email me back, or call 585 374 9032.

We are kind of down to the wire, so the sooner I can hear, the better.

Thanks for your help!

Karin
--
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Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:39:57 -0700
Message-ID: <F49DF998C01E024D87F52F23E8EADDBE10809F [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

"Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net> wrote

<<Could have been the Highend DL-2's.....  We used DL-1's for the
Penguins home opener this season, real expensive at the time but they
too a feed from a computer so the image was top notch.>>

Hmmm - I had kind of assumed that the projections at the Carolina/NJ
game had come from large format effects projectors (Pani or Pigi) from
the way the slides transitioned and how bright the image was...but I
could easily be wrong about that.

Quick question for Donald - were you running the DL-1's with full "game
lighting" on the ice?  (and I'm guessing that you run the game lighting
at broadcast levels - correct me if I'm smoking crack).  I've tried them
(and the DL-2's) out for a couple of special events, but haven't been
real happy with the brightness level when using them on a fully lit
stage (or field).  Cool fixtures, just not quite bright enough for me
yet (at least when I'm fighting brighter light levels).  But I'd love to
hear other opinions - I may just be getting old and blind!=20
=20
Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
www.thinkwelldesign.com=20

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:42:49 -0400
Message-ID: <008e01c672c6$d3931280$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30035036 [at] prxy.net>


Alas, I don't have one in front of me, but the diagram should indicate =
where
the field stops go (they're probably marked "FS" on the diagram).

The 213-*** series used the same reflector for the 12-degree and the
20/30/40-degree, I believe; at least, I sued to swap them all the time =
with
no ill effect.

People forget that when the 213-*** series first came out, the impact =
was
the same as that of the Source 4 many years later; it was the first =
serious
re-engineering of the ellipsoidal in several decades and was amazingly
brighter and sharper than anything else on the market.


------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: "...a man's job"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:43:49 -0400
Message-ID: <008f01c672c6$f739a8c0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30035628 [at] prxy.net>


> >  > But it is a matter of fact that my 16 
> >  > great-great-grandparents were all 
> >  > English.
> >  
> >  ...And Jews can't be English?
> 
>  You know perfectly well what I meant.

No, I only know what you said.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <e91d76400605081053p75fbc07am62c87b03ca0ef80a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:53:59 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-Reply-To: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net>

This handy little program will destroy any and all data on your hard
drive, to user-specifiable levels of paranoid redundancy.

http://dban.sourceforge.net/

On 5/8/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In a message dated 08/05/06 16:06:15 GMT Daylight Time,
> jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:
>
> > RAID.  Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical and
> >  each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID (mirror).  My
> >  wife had a drive die, the indication was the small blinking icon
> >  saying we should replace that soon.  Her work didn't stop.  I lost a
> >  mother board, just popped the drives in her computer when I needed to
> >  work.  That slowed us down, but no data was lost.
>
> The other side of the coin.
>
> I am about to replace my computer. Once I have transferred all the files =
I
> need to the new machine, I should like to make sure that they cannot ever=
 be
> recovered from the old one. Suggestions would be welcome.
>
> I believe that issuing, under DOS, a FORMAT-C command, writing and runnin=
g a
> little program to record random numbers until the disc is full, and then =
doing
> FORMAT-C again is foolproof.
>
>
> Frank Wood
>

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:00:35 -0400
Message-ID: <F9E613F2DD66A645B6BD1423FA0EEC321B8A51 [at] exchangeb3.ad.fredonia.edu>
From: <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com

Yeah these are oldies.  I have a 1977 brochure that references the =
213xxx series of "Ellipsoids"  Catalogue numbers are: =20
40 deg =3D 213-052
30 deg =3D 213-062
20 deg =3D 213-072
12 deg =3D 213-092

There is a note that says:  "Ellipsoids my be easily field modified to =
create 40, 30, 20 or 12 degree field angle in one unit."  These are all =
6" units and the lens trains should  be interchangeable.  The 10 deg and =
the 5 deg are 8" units and not interchangeable.

Not sure if that is enough information but might be enough to get you =
started anew.

HTH>
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of C. =
Andrew Dunning
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:34 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Good morning!

In one of my churches I've got some of the old Berkey Colortran =
ellipsoidals
(213s???) in a hard-to-reach position.  I'm wanting, potentially, to =
change the lens degree (20=B0 to something else).  I remember doing this =
a lot in college by moving lenses around in the barrel.  Do any of you =
now where I can get info on that - paperwork or a manual?  I've been to =
the Leviton/Colortran web site but those fixtures old enough that that =
info isn't there.  I've also tried Google, but am turning up nothing...

Thanks!

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
landrudesign [at] earthlink.net
www.landrudesign.com




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Cc: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: RE: OT - Data Recovery
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:00:44 -0400
Message-ID: <009601c672c9$54f78b60$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30037027 [at] prxy.net>



> This handy little program will destroy any and all data on 
> your hard drive, to user-specifiable levels of paranoid redundancy.

Here's another one that will do much the same:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/homeusers/defaultm.mspx


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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060508113221.01e171c0 [at] pop.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:36:34 -0700
From: Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

 >If my tongue in cheek comment about a "girlie" low wattage soldering
 >iron has managed to create a PC debate, then I wonder how the Americans
 >would handle a popular chunky chocolate bar sold in the UK called a
 >Yorkie.  It's got a red circle and diagonal line through a "female"
 >image with the slogan "It's not for girls.".
 >
 >--
 >Clive Mitchell


Simple.  They'd get sued.


....Ron
----
Ron Cargile
ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:40:25 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-reply-to: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060508113849.01f8d600 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:28 AM 5/8/2006, you wrote:
>I believe that issuing, under DOS, a FORMAT-C command, writing and running a
>little program to record random numbers until the disc is full, and 
>then doing
>FORMAT-C again is foolproof.

There's a US Dept of Defense (stop laughing) standard where you write 
all zeros, all ones, and several other patterns.  You have to write 
several times because the data to the sides of the track don't always 
get changed on the first pass.  Moving the heads a bit off-track with 
the right software may let you read this old data.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



------------------------------

Message-ID: <445F936C.909 [at] peak.org>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:52:28 -0700
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"
References: <list-30038130 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30038130 [at] prxy.net>

Ron Cargile wrote:

>  >If my tongue in cheek comment about a "girlie" low wattage soldering
>  >iron has managed to create a PC debate, then I wonder how the Americans
>  >would handle a popular chunky chocolate bar sold in the UK called a
>  >Yorkie.  It's got a red circle and diagonal line through a "female"
>  >image with the slogan "It's not for girls.".
>  >
>  >--
>  >Clive Mitchell

> Simple.  They'd get sued.

You know, hyperbole doesn't help this sort of discussion. I challenge 
you to find a single example of a US advertiser being sued - 
successfully or not - over an advertising slogan, no matter how 
offensive it might be to, well, anyone.

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org


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Message-ID: <WU9AHxLCV5XEFwgO [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:00:18 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net> <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand 
<jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>There's a US Dept of Defense (stop laughing) standard where you write 
>all zeros, all ones, and several other patterns.  You have to write 
>several times because the data to the sides of the track don't always 
>get changed on the first pass.  Moving the heads a bit off-track with 
>the right software may let you read this old data.

Or open the drive and remove the jolly nice neodymium magnet inside 
before trashing the platters.  :)

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

------------------------------

Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:01:59 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-30034241 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1FdAzh-0004BC-Ql [at] elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Jon -

>You're speaking of the Berkey Colortran MINI ellipses... I 
>think he was referring to the 6" full size variety.

You are correct.

As someone else said, they really were great lights for their time.

- Andy



------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:51:02 -0400
Message-ID: <009f01c672d8$bc4ec8a0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30034042 [at] prxy.net>

I believe that the 20-degree fixtures have all of the necessary parts except
the field stops.  You can live w/o the field stops (the light just won't be
as sharp) or you can easily make them yourself. 
 
> OK, now I'm remembering that.  I don't know that we have a 
> selection of the extra parts/lenses and it would be a bummer 
> to have set up multiple levels of scaffolding, just to have 
> found out that what I was wanting to do wasn't possible.  You 
> may have saved me that...


------------------------------

Message-ID: <445FA93B.7010808 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:25:31 -0400
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net> <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net> <list-30038661 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30038661 [at] prxy.net>

Folks, I took my forensics training with folks with federal and state
law enforcement agencies including some people from DOD. Even with
zeroing out a drive or degaussing it with a magnet it is possible for at
least some of the data to be recovered. While it takes some
sophistication and expertise it is possible. There have been cases that
DOD and the FBI has recovered data from wiped drives and even broken and
burnt platters. My advice would be to wipe the drive and then remove it.
Hard drives are so cheap so this makes sense. Many companies who donate
their older computers or let their employees take them do it after
removing the drives. Personally I would make it hard by opening the
drive and smashing the platters but thats over kill for the average
user. Most professionals will recommend wiping the drive either with
zeros and ones or a professional program 3 or 4 times.


Charlie


Clive Mitchell wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In message <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand
> <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>> There's a US Dept of Defense (stop laughing) standard where you write
>> all zeros, all ones, and several other patterns.  You have to write
>> several times because the data to the sides of the track don't always
>> get changed on the first pass.  Moving the heads a bit off-track with
>> the right software may let you read this old data.
>
> Or open the drive and remove the jolly nice neodymium magnet inside
> before trashing the platters.  :)
>


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:56:38 -0400
Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C08528C6.BECE%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30040247 [at] prxy.net>

A friend of mine who is computer systems manager
for a college takes out the old drives and he
and his computer buddies take them to a range
and use them for target practice.

Steve

> From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:25:31 -0400
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Folks, I took my forensics training with folks with federal and state
> law enforcement agencies including some people from DOD. Even with
> zeroing out a drive or degaussing it with a magnet it is possible for at
> least some of the data to be recovered. While it takes some
> sophistication and expertise it is possible. There have been cases that
> DOD and the FBI has recovered data from wiped drives and even broken and
> burnt platters. My advice would be to wipe the drive and then remove it.
> Hard drives are so cheap so this makes sense. Many companies who donate
> their older computers or let their employees take them do it after
> removing the drives. Personally I would make it hard by opening the
> drive and smashing the platters but thats over kill for the average
> user. Most professionals will recommend wiping the drive either with
> zeros and ones or a professional program 3 or 4 times.
> 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> 
> Clive Mitchell wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> In message <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand
>> <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>>> There's a US Dept of Defense (stop laughing) standard where you write
>>> all zeros, all ones, and several other patterns.  You have to write
>>> several times because the data to the sides of the track don't always
>>> get changed on the first pass.  Moving the heads a bit off-track with
>>> the right software may let you read this old data.
>> 
>> Or open the drive and remove the jolly nice neodymium magnet inside
>> before trashing the platters.  :)
>> 
> 


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bf.6c3ef3af.31911d09 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:15:37 EDT
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery

In a message dated 08/05/06 20:00:39 GMT Daylight Time, 
bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com writes:

> Or open the drive and remove the jolly nice neodymium magnet inside 
>  before trashing the platters.  :)

I had in mind to dispose of it as a functioning computer, which it is, as 
witness this message. But my wife feels a need to go broadband, and neither its 
operating speed nor system seem to be up to that. (433MHz: WIN98). I have a 
replacment in mind, at a reasonable price, although it will cost us a wireless 
hub. The trouble is that NTL, our 'phone service provider, has not yet got round 
to providing broadband in our area. They also provide our cable TV service, 
which is essential, since we live in a 'black hole' for TV reception, and 
insist on providing the 'phone line as well.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <41e.6194b1.31912041 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:29:21 EDT
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery

In a message dated 08/05/06 21:26:22 GMT Daylight Time, 
charlie [at] charliefraser.com writes:

> Personally I would make it hard by opening the
>  drive and smashing the platters but thats over kill for the average
>  user. Most professionals will recommend wiping the drive either with
>  zeros and ones or a professional program 3 or 4 times.

Thank you all for your advice. Let me assure you all that there is no 
pornography, as I understand the term, on board. There is nothing that has not been 
recovered from open NET files, apart from a few stories written by me under a 
pseudonym, and posted on newsgroups.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <3f1.1d124d4.3191213f [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:33:35 EDT
Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction

In a message dated 08/05/06 21:58:31 GMT Daylight Time, 
tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes:

> A friend of mine who is computer systems manager
>  for a college takes out the old drives and he
>  and his computer buddies take them to a range
>  and use them for target practice.

This is the second post that I have seen that suggests that physical 
destruction of the hard drive is the only safe way. Surely there must be a software 
method.


Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:41:55 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction
In-reply-to: <list-30042400 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060508153753.01f970b8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30042400 [at] prxy.net>

At 03:33 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote:
>This is the second post that I have seen that suggests that physical
>destruction of the hard drive is the only safe way. Surely there 
>must be a software
>method.

Last I knew, the only two approved methods of erasing a CD or DVD 
_securely_ is to sand the surface clean or shred it.  Several 
companies make machines to do just that.

Things like hard drives and FLASH memory sticks would normally be 
shredded and tossed in an incinerator.

If you've got a drive that used to have the credit card numbers of a 
couple of million people, the "bad guys" are willing to invest a LOT 
of money to recover any part of it.

If the drive used to have nuclear arming codes, then the "bad guys" 
have exponentially more money to throw at it.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Message-ID: <20060508224825.41598.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: OT - Data Recovery
In-Reply-To: <list-30027504 [at] prxy.net>

I cannot preach from experience, but I have heard very
good reports from SpinRite, Gibson Research.

http://www.grc.com/

Also fun reads on some geeky internet security stuff
-- oops, sorry to all the geeks -- didn't mean to
offend.

Paul

> From: "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
> So I have a portable external Seagate drive that I
> house all of my
> archived work, effects libraries, etc on. I lent it
> to someone for a
> week, and when I get it back, my entire archived
> work folder is
> corrupted and won't open.
> 


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Message-ID: <005001c672fc$717a66d0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30042400 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:06:37 -0600

>Surely there must be a software
>method.
Frank, are you looking to keep this drive working so you may donate
it or something?

Take every thing you want off the hard drive, Format it,  put in on
as a NON PRIMARY partition (simple volume is best) then defrag it,
then load the complete works of Shakespeare on it until you fill up
the drive, then format again.
 :-)

Rob't




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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508180217.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:02:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: News

>Hmmmm.... I wonder how many persons hold doctorates on this list...

I have one! I keep him in a cupboard in the basement...

Seriously, though, dang!  Congratz!
				CB
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <e91d76400605081803j7c179abck9515b5d21f6784db [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:03:05 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
In-Reply-To: <list-30042330 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30042330 [at] prxy.net>

I wonder if you could use the apparent resiliency of data on a hard
drive to cram more onto a drive than is normally possible?

On 5/8/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In a message dated 08/05/06 21:26:22 GMT Daylight Time,
> charlie [at] charliefraser.com writes:
>
> > Personally I would make it hard by opening the
> >  drive and smashing the platters but thats over kill for the average
> >  user. Most professionals will recommend wiping the drive either with
> >  zeros and ones or a professional program 3 or 4 times.
>
> Thank you all for your advice. Let me assure you all that there is no
> pornography, as I understand the term, on board. There is nothing that ha=
s not been
> recovered from open NET files, apart from a few stories written by me und=
er a
> pseudonym, and posted on newsgroups.
>
>
> Frank Wood
>

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Message-ID: <445FEF53.7010003 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:24:35 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: I'm working on that....
Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery
References: <list-30036446 [at] prxy.net> <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net> <list-30038661 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30038661 [at] prxy.net>

Clive Mitchell wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In message <list-30038333 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand 
> <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>> There's a US Dept of Defense (stop laughing) standard where you write 
>> all zeros, all ones, and several other patterns.  You have to write 
>> several times because the data to the sides of the track don't always 
>> get changed on the first pass.  Moving the heads a bit off-track with 
>> the right software may let you read this old data.
> 
> Or open the drive and remove the jolly nice neodymium magnet inside 
> before trashing the platters.  :)
> 

   I worked for a company that wanted secure erasing of old hard disks, 
but didn't want to pay for secure destruction.  So the old hard disks 
would accumulate in a bin in the computer room until I had a slow day. 
The disks were dismantled, not very gently, and I would then use the 
nice strong magnets in them to stick the data platters to the side of 
the steel file cabinet.  Whenever I walked past the file cabinet, I 
would rearrange the magnets and disks.  This also got done a lot when I 
was on hold with tech support for something.
   Eventually the side of the file cabinet filled up, so I take the ones 
that have been up the longest home with me.   Bake them in the oven for 
a bit, then off to the range to use them as rifle targets, then they 
came back to the office to be tossed in scrap metal bin in the machine 
shop.
   I had fun with the process too.

    --Dale

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Message-ID: <1475.64.28.50.80.1147138148.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30034241 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net> <list-30034082 [at] prxy.net>
    <list-30034241 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> You're speaking of the Berkey Colortran MINI ellipses... I think he was
> referring to the 6" full size variety.  Once upon a time, before Leviton
> bought Colortran, they had a downloadable PDF cheat sheet for turning the
> 5/50s into the various spreads.... I have never had to dismantle one of
> the 'old' 213s though....

If he is talking about the full sized instruments, the information is cast
into the inside front of the lens barrel.

I just happen to have a couple of new ones here at home. This is what is
written:

               Position
Angle  Lens   Lens  Stop
 12    6x12    6     2
 20    6x9     5     2
 30    4.5x9   2     3
       6x9     5
 40    4.5x9   2    N/R
       6x9     3    N/R

I don't have the photometric data handy, but you can measure the throw and
beam angle to figure out which instruments you have.

Note that if you have either the 30 or 40 degree, then you can generate
anything except the 12 degree.

Bill


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Message-ID: <1477.64.28.50.80.1147138218.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30034241 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30033689 [at] prxy.net> <list-30034082 [at] prxy.net>
    <list-30034241 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

Oops! If the instruments are 40 degree, then you probably will not have
the aperature stop.

Bill


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:32:16 -0400
Message-ID: <00d101c67308$683cde70$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30046628 [at] prxy.net>

> I don't have the photometric data handy

...But it's included in the Photometrics Spreadsheet, available for free on
my web site: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:30:48 -0400
From: JT <BothJT [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re:  Political Correctness
In-reply-to: <list-30027504 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <445FF0C8.40908 [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-30027504 [at] prxy.net>

 >>... friends call themselves "black" as a skin color
 >> and "African-American" as a race.

--Which reminds me of the story frequently cited in writing and editing 
circles. Computers can be stupidity multipliers.

Not too many years ago, the managing editor of a large (midwestern?) 
newspaper decreed that only the term African-American could be used in 
the paper; the term "black" was prohibited.

The staff, suitably chastened, began running the usual search-and-change 
routine on all copy. The policy lasted until a local story included the 
line that somebody "...arrived in an African-American Cadillac 
limousine..." or something similar.

Yeah, the copy desk should have caught it, but they didn't. It ran, and 
evidently started a local sh*tstorm of epic proportion.

Regards,

Jim Taylor
Acoustic Light.





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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508184435.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:44:35
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

>> > Business before pleasure.
>> Interesting..... So you say that in all seriousness?
>I rarely say *anything* in all seriousness.

What he meant to say was, "Turnabout is fair play"!  ; >

I've been a young guy with long hair in engineering circles (I think the
last birthday was officially out of the 'young guy' category, and the next
may officially put me in the 'old fart' category, but that's another
matter) for far too long to 'take a moment'. Maybe that's why I'm sensitive
to those issues, maybe it's the pony-tail.  We all have our crosses to
bear, and I spent far too long training young women in the art and science
of mixing sound (because there weren't enough, I was tired of the 'high
priest' thing that was very prevalent in the R&R world, and they're
naturally better suited for it in the first place) catch crap for offering
to hold a door, carry a bag, do the dirty work while some woman is in nice
clothes and I'm in my blacks.  I never really thought much about what was
under their zipper when I did these things, but I did get told about it.
Funny, I never get that kind of thing when I offer to help a man out in
that same way.
I'm all for equal treatment, and I give all my colleagues teases.  I use
what I can.  They're skwints.  I used to date his wife.  She has tattoos.
He talks with a deep southern accent.  Of course, I do it only with those
that I dearly love, and trust to take it in the kidding sense that I gave
it in.  I just thought that this was one of those places.  I've tossed
barbs at almost everyone on this list, and (so far) everyone took it in the
sense that it was intended.  At least no one said anything.
And, if they had, I'd have hoped that they'd have penned me a personal note
off-list telling me that they felt slighted, or hurt instead of taking me
to task in a public forum.  The result would have been a public apology
(wait,  I take it back, I think I have made one or two of those on this
list!) 
While I agree that there is way too much sexism in this business, and I'll
be right next to anyone fighting it, I think that political correctness
needs to get a healthy dose of 'sense of humor' to go with it, and a thick
skin will take you far in this business that employs all kinds of folk from
all kinds of places with all kindas of senses of humor and appropriateness.
I won't say that I agree with the original comment, or disagree with the
responses, I'll jsut say that the written word sometimes won't carry the
smile that should go with it, and benefit of the doubt should be the first
weapon out of the bag in these types of discussions.
OK, go!  I'm ready...

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508185014.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:50:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: "...a man's job"

>"Intent" of course, is a vital component (although too much discussion of
>intent will start to make this look like a forum about acting), but "effect"
>is equally relevant, whether that effect is deliberate or not.

Someone tell the story about eating out at a local restaurant on the road
and telling the crew that they had to get back in time to 'beat the blacks"
before the show.  Around these parts, we get the occasional hard look hwe
we ask, "Send me up a beaner to hold this up!" 
Quite a lot of the PC dialogue (although, there are far too many times when
it is simultaneous monologues) is a result of someone looking for an insult
or injury.  Shoot, there are even long-ish comedy bits about that very
subject.  Sexism is bad, uhm-kay?  Most -isms tend to be bad.  Far more
than good IMHO.  Equalism I like.  
"What exactly did you mean by that?" is probably the most diffusing
question known to man, and could prevent wars.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508185508.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:55:08
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Phd

>I don't have a Phd . . . but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Loren, mention my name a lot.  From SDSU to La Jolla to Nunu's.  Everyone I
know is movingto San Diego.  Shoot, I *may* actually have time to meet for
a beer when I get tehre later this month.  Presently, it would have to be
on the way from or the way back to the airport, with the cab running the
meter outside, but things could change...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508185714.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:57:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Weight in Stage Drapes = Lead Tape vs. Chain

>> Very fine lead dust is pyrophoric.
>
>Most fine powders are. 

Ehm, define pyrophoric.  I'm thinking at least one of us is working under a
mistaken assumption.  I ain't saying that it isn't me, mind you, I'd just
like to find out before I go any further
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508191114.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:11:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

>Like  Thumper says in Bambi "If you can't say something nice, don't say 
>anything at  all!"

To which my Omi responded, "If you can't say anytbing nice, say it in
Yiddish!"

Shoot, if I listened to Bambi, people'd think I was struck dumb.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <005201c6730d$da14c080$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
References: <list-30036730 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:11:14 -0400

It was a real dramatic out of all of the arena lights.  We used 8
overlapping projection fields.  The only other lights (assorted MAC's) and
lasers were shot on the ceiling when the projection was on the ice and vise
versa for a very dramatic effect.  The only lights that were left on in the
house were the in stair lights, we had coordinated about 5 electricians to
turn off breakers on a radio call in addition to the dowsers on the house
lights.  We even turned off all the TV's in the boxes!!!  Great fun I got
chills even after 5 dry runs!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game


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"Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net> wrote

<<Could have been the Highend DL-2's.....  We used DL-1's for the
Penguins home opener this season, real expensive at the time but they
too a feed from a computer so the image was top notch.>>

Hmmm - I had kind of assumed that the projections at the Carolina/NJ
game had come from large format effects projectors (Pani or Pigi) from
the way the slides transitioned and how bright the image was...but I
could easily be wrong about that.

Quick question for Donald - were you running the DL-1's with full "game
lighting" on the ice?  (and I'm guessing that you run the game lighting
at broadcast levels - correct me if I'm smoking crack).  I've tried them
(and the DL-2's) out for a couple of special events, but haven't been
real happy with the brightness level when using them on a fully lit
stage (or field).  Cool fixtures, just not quite bright enough for me
yet (at least when I'm fighting brighter light levels).  But I'd love to
hear other opinions - I may just be getting old and blind!

Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
www.thinkwelldesign.com


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: "...a man's job"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:14:56 -0400
Message-ID: <00d401c6730e$5db02880$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30047270 [at] prxy.net>

 
> >Like  Thumper says in Bambi "If you can't say something 
> nice, don't say
> >anything at  all!"

...Or, as Alice Roosevelt Longworth said, "If you can't say anything nice
about someone, sit here next to me."


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