Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30055376; Tue, 09 May 2006 03:01:01 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FB_INNOCENT, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_ADULT2 autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #800 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 03:00:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #800 1. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "Donald A Rowe" 2. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 3. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "Donald A Rowe" 4. "...a man's job" by CB 5. Re: "...a man's job" by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 6. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 7. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 8. Re: "...a man's job" by rcargile [at] uci.edu 9. ". . . a man's job" by June Abernathy 10. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 11. Re: OT - Data Recovery by Jim Hyslop 12. Re: ". . . a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 13. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game by Jim Hyslop 14. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 15. Re: "...a man's job" by "Bill Nelson" 16. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 17. Re: OT - Data Recovery by CB 18. Re: OT - Data Destruction by "Bill Nelson" 19. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 20. Re: "...a man's job" by Kate Daly 21. Re: "...a man's job" by Pat Kight 22. Re: "...a man's job" by "Don Taco" 23. Re: OT - Data Destruction by NODEraser 24. Re: "...a man's job" by Erwin Rol 25. Re: OT - Data Recovery by "Bill Nelson" 26. Re: "...a man's job" by "Bill Nelson" 27. Re: OT - Data Destruction by "Bill Nelson" 28. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <007601c6730f$0304fcc0$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net> From: "Donald A Rowe" References:

Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:19:33 -0400 Raid is great but I recommend removable HD's in bays, (I Can elaborate if needed) and using Norton Ghost, semi expensive but if you preach to your IT department they may spring for it. I made a system for a doctor office and the 4 280Gig drives can be backed up 20 times on a 20 Gig HD so you can go back in steps if needed and there is no virus that can touch a Ghost file. The ultimate data safety is a RAID mirror and a bayed HD, if your computer goes down from software or hardware it is possible to have almost any computer look and act just like the old one in under 4 hours(2 if you bring it to me sorry personal plug). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On May 8, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Charles Fraser wrote: > > > RAID is a good idea, but Windows XP does not support software RAID and > > hardware RAID's take a little knowledge to set up. For the lay user in > > my opinion CD's\DVD's, external drives and tape backup easier to > > set up > > and manage and around the same cost. > > While I have done software RAID, I just bought an Intel motherboard > (Pentium IV) that has built-in SATA RAID. The biggest hassle is when > the CMOS gets corrupted (which happens on PCs due to the, um, unique > way PC's switch processing modes) the RAID defaults to OFF and won't > boot. But, once you get past your panic you just go into setup and > turn it back on and all is well. > > There's also the Promise RAID cards, I haven't used one, but they > seem simple, inexpensive (compared to the RAID-5 cards I used to > use), and easy to use. > http://www.promise.com/ > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 02:16:48 GMT Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery Message-Id: <20060508.191745.24078.304582 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> I've used CDs and DVDs for skeet fodder, but no HDs. What a concept! /s/ Richard __________________________ Bake them in the oven for a bit, then off to the range to use them as ri= fle targets = --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008201c6730f$7e715ca0$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net> From: "Donald A Rowe" References: Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:23:00 -0400 Killing a drive is easy if you don't want the drive again just hit it with a hammer. If you want the drive take out the HD and go to a public library, the media department has a desk magnet that they used to use to erase tapes and any magnetic media. Keep the credit cards away and pulse for about 2 seconds. Poof a new HD!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 08/05/06 16:06:15 GMT Daylight Time, > jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > > > RAID. Both my computer and my wife's computers are identical and > > each has two identical drives in it set up as a RAID (mirror). My > > wife had a drive die, the indication was the small blinking icon > > saying we should replace that soon. Her work didn't stop. I lost a > > mother board, just popped the drives in her computer when I needed to > > work. That slowed us down, but no data was lost. > > The other side of the coin. > > I am about to replace my computer. Once I have transferred all the files I > need to the new machine, I should like to make sure that they cannot ever be > recovered from the old one. Suggestions would be welcome. > > I believe that issuing, under DOS, a FORMAT-C command, writing and running a > little program to record random numbers until the disc is full, and then doing > FORMAT-C again is foolproof. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508193717.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:37:17 From: CB Subject: "...a man's job" >I have yet to meet a woman whom I have not been able to teach how to use = >a hammer, I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to use a hammer. I think thee point that he was making was that it wasn't too long ago that females were not only not encouraged to learn technical skills, DIY skills, and math & science, but were actually discouraged from following any line of education that didn't terminate in an MRS degree. Those sexist practices aren't all dead, either. A woman I know (who shall remain nameless) was told that she hadn't the ability to do math, when it would have been more accurate to say that the teacher she had lacked the ability to adequately teach her in a manner that she might understand. She was unable, at thirty years of age, to add single digit numbers together without using her fingers. Her brain is remarkably capable, as three years later and with many lessons in how to learn math from me, she is capable of calculating her portion of a Sushi bill and the proper tip, in her head. Once we agree that males and females are, in fact, extraordinarily different, we can begin on how those differences compliment one another, and how both sexes are limited. Females have a tendancy to have less upper body strength. I do know many females that have superior upper body strength to mine, and a few that have superior upper body strength to many of the males that I know. Females have the ability to use both hemispheres of their brain more simulteneously. This can be an advantage in some situations, and a constraint in others. Suffice it to say that the context of Frank's psot was not summed up, "women aren't as god as us" but, "there are quite a few historical and social contexts to this conversation, and they shouldn't be ignored in the conversation". Women have the innate ability to visualize complex mathematics. They hear better than males. Abstract concepts are easier for them to grasp, biologically. These traits are a great foundation for sound engineers (as well as other jobs) but I see far too few women represented in the field. Sexism could not adequately explain that today, the historical context is requiredto understand why. >I have put up >with my fair share of comments, snide remarks, and the occasional lapses >of judgment when the person speaking to me starts staring a foot beneath >my face while talking. I'm sure that you have. It is important that you don't respond with the attitude that we all resemble those jerks simply because we were born with penises. Take a minute to consider that, penis aside, what we say may not come from a sexist, testosterone and low-self-esteem based opinion. To do otherwise would be, well, sexist. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 02:34:45 +0000 Message-Id: <050920060234.24665.445FFFC50000D62E0000605921602807480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> Anyone remember how someone's panties got in a bunch in the first place? I suppose we can't ever use that phrase again. Sure takes some of the humor out of discourse ;~> Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CB > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> > Business before pleasure. > >> Interesting..... So you say that in all seriousness? > >I rarely say *anything* in all seriousness. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508195025.00d3bbc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:50:25 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >And, I note not a craftsWOMAN. She is a craftsman. She is human, colloquially 'man', and a female of that subset. 'Man', when referring to all genders iclusively, is correst. As is the use of teh neutral (sometiomes maculine) 'he' when referring to both genders inclusivley and not one person of a particular gender. 'He/she' refers, deroguetorily I might add, to an unfortunate person born with the genitalia of both genders. Please don't call her an 'artisan-ette', either, or I will be forced to kick you in the jimmy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002c01c67313$a263a510$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:52:38 -0600 It's been almost 30 years since my DJ days, but we used to have an electro-magnet that we cleared our 4-track tapes with. How about Home Depot checkout stand? > Killing a drive is easy if you don't want the drive again just hit it with a > hammer. If you want the drive take out the HD and go to a public library, > the media department has a desk magnet that they used to use to erase tapes > and any magnetic media. Keep the credit cards away and pulse for about 2 > seconds. Poof a new HD!! > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <49212.24.126.237.78.1147144831.squirrel [at] webmail.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: rcargile [at] uci.edu >You know, hyperbole doesn't help this sort of discussion. I challenge >you to find a single example of a US advertiser being sued - >successfully or not - over an advertising slogan, no matter how >offensive it might be to, well, anyone. > >-- >Pat Kight >kightp [at] peak.org Easy. RJ Reynolds got sued over the "Joe Camel" campaign. And lost. Was is sexist? Probably not, but the precedent has been set. ....Ron ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060509033408.4158.qmail [at] web35313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: ". . . a man's job" Frank, I wasn't going to weigh in here. Really, I wasn't. Even when you said "But, generally, women tend to have a lower level of technical understanding. " Because, you know, coming from you Frank, it's just so much "blah blah blah". But you couldn't leave it, could you? Would you, for once in your life, consider that YOUR experience is not everyone's experience? Consider that many things have changed since "your day" - not least among them, male/female relations in general, and the role of women in theater specifically? I'm a Stage Manager. I run a "tight ship". OTOH, understanding the technical side of the show has often been a great help to me in my Stage Management career, allowing me to communicate more effectively with Designers and technicians, and explain technical aspects of the show to directors and actors. Not to mention, calling a pretty good show. Which, I know, you (and presuably your wife) don't believe in, but other people do. And, I am a trained theater technician. I've been working as a stagehand for as long as I've been stage managing. (20+ years). I keep up with the boys. I can use power tools. I have skills because I have training and experience, just like any male. Is it POSSIBLE for a woman to have "technical understanding"? Of course it is. Obviously, it is. There are many many women in technical theater. We're still in the minority. Physical work has historically appealed more to men than to women. OTOH, the world is changing, and the work is changing. When I started out, we used to catch a lot of crap from men on the job - the faux helpful "Can I give you a hand with theat little missy?" stuff, and just plain insults and harrassment. I see less of that nowadays - and most of the condescension that remains is less overt. It used to be unusual to see women on a local crew (or a road crew, for that matter.) Now, it's unusual to have no women on a local crew, and women on a road crew don't make locals stop and stare. Men are getting more used to seeing women in the workplace. There's a whole younger generation who don't find it unusual at all. Frank is not part of that generation. He's part of the group that has still not learned not to voice tacky opinions in public. Are there useless little twinkies littering theaters everywhere? Of course. They come in both sexes. Some can be trained and become useful Stagehands. Others get redirected into more appropriate theater careers. Others get bored and move on to other things entirely. A small minority continue to show up on calls and plague us with their ignorance and untrainability for years. But they are the exception that proves the rule, in my experience. When I'm deciding whether or not to be offended by someone's comments, intent is the single biggest factor in my book. If I decide that a tacky comment is not actually intended to piss me off, then I usually make a joke about it, to try to gently inform the perpetrator that it might be taken badly by some people. OTOH, there are people out there looking for offense, and they are just tiresome. I've been told that I can't refer to connectors as male and female. That I can't call a pair of diagonal cutters "dykes". That I can't ask people to "breast" a pipe. Puh-leeze. If you're that sensitive, get another job. My opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44600E96.8030307 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:37:58 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to use a hammer. I have met several men who are quite open about their technical/mechanical ineptitude. Perhaps coincidentally, these men were all gay (and before anyone wonders if I'm being derogatory to gay men, I also know many gay men who are very skilled technically). -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44601005.1030503 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:05 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery References:

In-Reply-To: Donald A Rowe wrote: > there is no virus that can touch a Ghost file. Yet. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4460138B.7000408 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:59:07 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: June Abernathy wrote: > OTOH, there are people out there looking for offense, > and they are just tiresome. You won't get any argument from me on that point. > I've been told that I > can't refer to connectors as male and female. [etc.] Just out of curiosity - how did you respond to that? As a side anecdote, when I was in high school in... let's see... 1980 (yikes!) one of the female students in my drama class got rather offended at my use of the terms "male" and "female" to refer to the connectors. She thought I was making it up. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44601480.5040905 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:03:12 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game References: In-Reply-To: Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > ...Last night at the Carolina/New Jersey hockey game, they had an > unbelievable projection before the game and during the > intermissions...Anyone know what they are using for projectors.... Ya couldn't just relax and enjoy the show, couldja? Occupational hazard, I guess :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4460164E.1050607 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:10:54 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote: > What I do find bothersome > is the casual assumption that violence is a solution > to anything. I never read any actual nor intended violence into Allison's statement. ISTM the phrase "kick your ass," when used competitively like this, has come to mean "excel far beyond you can even dream possible." -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1598.64.28.62.14.1147152252.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: "Bill Nelson" >> Simple. They'd get sued. > > You know, hyperbole doesn't help this sort of discussion. I challenge > you to find a single example of a US advertiser being sued - > successfully or not - over an advertising slogan, no matter how > offensive it might be to, well, anyone. Yep. Look how "sexy" women are used in advertising. Now that IS sexist. Yet few seem to complain. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508224147.00d52c80 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:41:47 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >You know, hyperbole doesn't help this sort of discussion. I challenge >you to find a single example of a US advertiser being sued - >successfully or not - over an advertising slogan, no matter how >offensive it might be to, well, anyone. Careful, he'll just point you to T-shirt hell dot com. Every black-encrusted stagehand knows 'em, and they made a T-shirt that suggested that Mary-Kate and Ashley weren't the cute and innocent girls they've been made out to be. He basically (if I may paraphrase) told them that he would just love the publicity he'd get, and he'd get to meet MK and Ashley, and it'd be worth it to go through the hassle to end up a T-shirt millionaire, plus a couple of other, more rude sugestions, and they eventually went away. IIRC, a cease-and-desist order *did* get filed and then got ignored. I don't think that the threatened suit was ever filed. The NYT story here: Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508224415.00d52c80 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:44:15 From: CB Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery Frank, keep the old drive. Mount it up in your computer and keep it around. Think of it as a snapshot of your computing life, and every once in a while, hook it up and look back. There'll be pics that you've long forgotten and it'll amuse you. And it'll protect your data from prying eyes. Tell the new owner that they can get it running for the price of a drive and an OS. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1658.64.28.62.14.1147153314.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction From: "Bill Nelson" > This is the second post that I have seen that suggests that physical > destruction of the hard drive is the only safe way. Surely there must be a > software method. No absolutely positive way - except maybe exposing the drive to a very high flux density varying magnetic field. The surest way would be to melt the disks down into a lump. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060508225658.00d34a90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:56:58 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Oh, and speaking of T-shirt Hell, this is a perfect shirt for that female stagehand that keeps getting those misogynistic cretins as work-mates: Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060509014755.02c3b0b0 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 01:53:01 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:24 AM 5/9/2006, Bill wrote: >Yep. Look how "sexy" women are used in advertising. Now that IS sexist. >Yet few seem to complain. Few what? Women? If so, please share your statistics and their source. Because no woman I know finds such advertisements at all amusing, and I frequently hear complaints about them. In fact, I don't know any woman who enjoys being objectified and dismissed. -Kate ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44602FA0.2040109 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:58:56 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: rcargile [at] uci.edu wrote: >>You know, hyperbole doesn't help this sort of discussion. I challenge >>you to find a single example of a US advertiser being sued - >>successfully or not - over an advertising slogan, no matter how >>offensive it might be to, well, anyone. > Easy. RJ Reynolds got sued over the "Joe Camel" campaign. And lost. > Was is sexist? Probably not, but the precedent has been set. Offense, of course, was not what that lawsuit was about. But I should probably phrased my request more precisely. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02ec01c6732f$4366b720$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:10:24 -0700 > Oh, and speaking of T-shirt Hell, this is a perfect shirt for that female > stagehand that keeps getting those misogynistic cretins as work-mates: > > Chris "Chris" Babbie Nah. For a woman to play at the testosterone-poisoned 'man's game' just demeans her. I would be impressed by a guy who would buy and wear that shirt, though. That'd be making a statment, man. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:26:51 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction In-Reply-To: References:

Am I the only one who thinks that this level of paranoia is just insane? If you're worried about people getting your data, you should be more worried about Internet threats than people trying to squeeze a few bytes from a wiped hard drive. DBAN should be sufficient for anyone short of a black-ops organization. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:10:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1147162249.2277.42.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 01:53 -0400, Kate Daly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 01:24 AM 5/9/2006, Bill wrote: > >Yep. Look how "sexy" women are used in advertising. Now that IS sexist. > >Yet few seem to complain. > > Few what? Women? If so, please share your statistics and their source. > Because no woman I know finds such advertisements at all amusing, and I > frequently hear complaints about them. In fact, I don't know any woman who > enjoys being objectified and dismissed. Do those women also complain about the diet Coke man ? If not, they should maybe think hard about why they are complaining about the sexy women! - Erwin ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2167.64.28.62.14.1147162602.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery From: "Bill Nelson" > hammer. If you want the drive take out the HD and go to a public library, > the media department has a desk magnet that they used to use to erase > tapes > and any magnetic media. Keep the credit cards away and pulse for about 2 > seconds. Poof a new HD!! Maybe good enough for amateur data recovery attempts, but not good enough for even a talented amateur. Magnetic erasing takes a much stronger field than that. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2267.64.28.62.14.1147164690.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: "Bill Nelson" >>Yep. Look how "sexy" women are used in advertising. Now that IS sexist. >>Yet few seem to complain. > > Few what? Women? If so, please share your statistics and their source. > Because no woman I know finds such advertisements at all amusing, and I > frequently hear complaints about them. In fact, I don't know any woman who > enjoys being objectified and dismissed. I made no inference about objectification or being dismissed. The advertising includes thousands of ads directed at women in the attempt to convince them that those particular products will make them more beautiful, desireable etc. Even the more equality oriented womens' magazines, such as Ms, contain these ads. On the other hand, there are many ads depicting men with the builds/looks of greek gods used to sell to men (and maybe women). So it isn't totally one way. Sex, sometimes even the vague hope of it, sells products. Until humans quit placing primary emphasis on looks, rather than ability, I suspect this will continue. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2282.64.28.62.14.1147165312.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 02:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction From: "Bill Nelson" > Am I the only one who thinks that this level of paranoia is just > insane? If you're worried about people getting your data, you should > be more worried about Internet threats than people trying to squeeze a > few bytes from a wiped hard drive. DBAN should be sufficient for > anyone short of a black-ops organization. I believe the original request was for a method that would make the data completely irrecoverable. We have been addressing that request. What we may individually feel about the desireability of such an action is immaterial. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 05:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00d801c67347$bfe9f150$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to > use a hammer. Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #800 *****************************