Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30078503; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:25:45 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #801 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:24:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #801 1. Sketch up part-Deux! by Herrick Goldman 2. Re: OT - Data Recovery by Dale Farmer 3. OT: Yorkie Bars by "Andrew Nikel" 4. Re: Free audio cue player offer by David Duffy 5. Re: Free audio cue player offer by Erwin Rol 6. Re: "...a man's job" by Stephen Litterst 7. Re: Free audio cue player offer by David Duffy 8. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 9. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 10. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game by Steve Larson 11. Archives by Johan Godwaldt 12. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals by "C. Andrew Dunning" 13. Re: Archives by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: Projection at NHL hockey game (now going way OT) by "Paul Schreiner" 15. Re: "...a man's job" by Bruce Purdy 16. Re: OT - Data Destruction by Bruce Purdy 17. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 18. Re: Sketch up part-Deux! by "Jon Ares" 19. Re: "...a man's job" by "Peter Scheu" 20. Re: "...a man's job" by Bruce Purdy 21. Re: OT: Yorkie Bars by Kevin Lee Allen 22. Re: "...a man's job" by "Peter Scheu" 23. Re: "...a man's job" by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 24. Eiffel Tower by 25. Eiffel Tower by 26. NHL Hockey by 27. NHL hockey (now going way OT) by 28. test by 29. Re: Eiffel Tower by IAEG [at] aol.com 30. Re: "...a man's job" by "Paul Schreiner" 31. Re: Eiffel Tower by Jerry Durand 32. Re: "...a man's job" by Erwin Rol 33. T-shirt hell.... by Michael Sorensen 34. Re: the dark side of the street by "Don Taco" 35. Re: Eiffel Tower by "Storms, Randy" 36. Strand Century Lekos & parts available by Mike Voytko 37. Re: OT - Data Recovery by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. Re: OT - Data Recovery by Clive Mitchell 39. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 40. Re: T-shirt hell.... by Clive Mitchell 41. Re: OT - Data Recovery by Jerry Durand 42. Re: ". . . a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 43. Re: ". . . a man's job" by Jerry Durand 44. Sound advice? by "Kirk Wahamaki" 45. Re: ". . . a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: ". . . a man's job" by "Occy" 47. Re: Sound advice? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 48. Re: "you say it's your birthday" by "Don Taco" 49. Re: "...a man's job" by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 50. Re: ". . . a man's job" by "Ken Romaine" 51. Re: OT - Data Destruction by NODEraser 52. Re: ". . . a man's job" by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 53. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 54. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 55. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 56. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 57. Re: "...a man's job" by CB 58. Re: "...a man's job" by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 59. Re: "...a man's job" by Steve Larson 60. Chain motor record fields by Samuel Jones 61. Re: Chain motor record fields by Stephen Litterst 62. Re: Chain motor record fields by "Matthew Breton" 63. Re: "...a man's job" by Jim Hyslop 64. Re: Chain motor record fields by "C. Andrew Dunning" 65. Re: ". . . a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 66. Re: Sound advice? by "Benjamin G. Stickels" 67. Re: ". . . a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 68. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 69. Re: Chain motor record fields by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 70. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 71. Re: "...a man's job" by Clive Mitchell 72. Re: odd vehicles (OT except for LRLR) by "Tony Miller" 73. Re: "...a man's job" by "Don Taco" 74. Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? by Carrie DePetris 75. Re: "...a man's job" by Andy Ciddor 76. Off-topic.... Sorta by Stuart Baulch 77. Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? by John McKernon 78. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 79. Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by Matthew Varas 80. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 81. Re: Broadway on High School by Kate Daly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 07:18:56 -0400 Subject: Sketch up part-Deux! From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Folks, Based upon the list chatter I looked into Sketch up. I'm on the fence and have a 3d project that needs completing in a few days. It does seem like we can only use the SUN. Is this true? Also my associate is having trouble viewing structures from the inside...so if we are doing a large event inside a tent and lighting tent walls, it would seem that sketch-up is not the way to go. True? If that is incorrect, do you think I can "emulate" lighting looks with textures or imported photos applied to interior tent surfaces? I'm thinking VW may be the way to go for this gig. Thanks -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44607DF7.8030102 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 07:33:11 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I've used CDs and DVDs for skeet fodder, but no HDs. What a concept! > /s/ Richard > __________________________ > Bake them in the oven for a bit, then off to the range to use them as rifle targets > --Dale > > > > > Can't do it any more. The shooting club I belong to changed the rules about shooting at metal objects. Apparently some slobs were not cleaning up after themselves. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Nikel" Subject: OT: Yorkie Bars Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: As a matter of fact, I just brought back some Yorkie bars for the kids when I was in the UK a couple weeks ago. The way they handled them was they et 'em right up. ;-) Andrew > >iron has managed to create a PC debate, then I wonder how the Americans > >would handle a popular chunky chocolate bar sold in the UK called a > >Yorkie. It's got a red circle and diagonal line through a "female" > >image with the slogan "It's not for girls.". > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44608638.4070708 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:08:24 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer References:

In-Reply-To: Well, I've send out the free audio cue software to all those that requested it so if I've missed anyone let me know. The file was zipped and extension changed to vip to try to get around any spam filters. If you asked for the software and don't receive it shortly please contact me to see if I can send it to a more attachment friendly email address! :-) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:19:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1147177196.2277.44.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 22:08 +1000, David Duffy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Well, I've send out the free audio cue software to all those that requested > it so if I've missed anyone let me know. The file was zipped and extension > changed to vip to try to get around any spam filters. If you asked for the > software and don't receive it shortly please contact me to see if I can send > it to a more attachment friendly email address! :-) Uh why not just put it on a website and let people download it? - Erwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-reply-to: Message-id: <3491.24.58.9.233.1147177500.squirrel [at] webmail.ithaca.edu> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > >>"Intent" of course, is a vital component (although too much discussion of >>intent will start to make this look like a forum about acting), but >> "effect" >>is equally relevant, whether that effect is deliberate or not. > > Someone tell the story about eating out at a local restaurant on the road > and telling the crew that they had to get back in time to 'beat the > blacks" > before the show. Do I hafta? Ok, but this is the *last* time. We were eating in a fast food joint in a small town on the eastern shore of Virginia. In collecting our thoughts about the afternoon, the TD opened discussion by saying "First thing when we get back, let's hang the blacks." The restaraunt got real quiet. We finished lunch quickly and left, swearing to refer to drapes as legs/borders from then on. Never by color. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44608A34.3000609 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:25:24 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer References:

In-Reply-To: Erwin Rol wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 22:08 +1000, David Duffy wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Well, I've send out the free audio cue software to all those that requested >> it so if I've missed anyone let me know. The file was zipped and extension >> changed to vip to try to get around any spam filters. If you asked for the >> software and don't receive it shortly please contact me to see if I can send >> it to a more attachment friendly email address! :-) >> > > Uh why not just put it on a website and let people download it? > Hi Erwin, Just because I'm kinda interested in seeing what type of people ask! Nothing underhanded here - just nice to get personal requests for it instead of it just being something everybody clicks on to download. I enjoy writing software and also enjoy giving some away so that others can use it. The person gets the software and I feel all warm and fuzzy! I use open source and freeware software quite often myself. :-) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44608CBF.6080108 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:15 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > The advertising includes thousands of ads directed at women in the attempt > to convince them that those particular products will make them more > beautiful, desireable etc. Even the more equality oriented womens' > magazines, such as Ms, contain these ads. Far too many of the women in these ads are unrealistically thin. They are, when you get down to it, genetically abnormal. Unfortunately, these ads set up unrealistic expectations of what women "should" look like. The timing of this discussion is incredible. I was in the middle of reading your message, when my 10-year-old daughter asked if I knew why one of her friends, whom I will call Sally, seems to be getting angry a lot lately. During the course of the discussion, it came out that Sally's step-sister and step-mother are calling her fat. Sally is not, by any stretch of the imagination, fat. On the other hand, there's an ad campaign currently running in Toronto for a skin softener. The ads show three or four women of a normal build (as opposed to the bean-pole models) posing in bras and panties. Not lacy, sexy lingerie, but functional underwear. The slogan is something like "as tested on real curves." It's still sexy, but at least it's more realistic. > Sex, sometimes even the vague hope of it, sells products. Until humans > quit placing primary emphasis on looks, rather than ability, I suspect > this will continue. Well, one way to look at this is that for advertising, the important ability is to be able to look sexy. For stagecraft (and, indeed, most occupations) looks are not important. The question is, can we as a society learn to place emphasis on looks only when it's relevant? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44608E29.3050609 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:42:17 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: kosteral [at] juno.com wrote: > AHEM! There have been a handful of "girlie/manly man" comments such > as this that have come across the list lately, Thanks for the reminder. > Now play nice. Isn't that what life should be about? :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:02:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Plus, I couldn't relax at last night's game. The three folks in front of me and three to my right left after NJ scored with 20 seconds left. I'll bet they were surprised when they read this morning's paper. I noticed in the projections last night they are using shots of the fans in one of the projections. Great to see your own face 20' tall on the ice. Go Canes. Steve > From: Jim Hyslop > Organization: Dreampossible Inc. > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:03:12 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jonathan S. Deull wrote: >> ...Last night at the Carolina/New Jersey hockey game, they had an >> unbelievable projection before the game and during the >> intermissions...Anyone know what they are using for projectors.... > > Ya couldn't just relax and enjoy the show, couldja? Occupational > hazard, I guess :=) > > -- > Jim Hyslop > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <23760e78cef8f466254df89fd7c31f0c [at] oswego.edu> From: Johan Godwaldt Subject: Archives Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:09:19 -0400 I am having major troubles searching and retrieving from the archives, has anyone else encountered problems, is it still working? Johan Godwaldt Technical Director SUNY Oswego Theatre 47 Tyler Hall Ph# 315 312 2987 Fax 315 312 3394 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:17:32 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill - >information is cast into the inside front of the lens barrel. > >I just happen to have a couple of new ones here at home. This >is what is written... Exactly what I needed! Thanks! - Andy ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Archives Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C56 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I am having major troubles searching and retrieving from the=20 > archives,=20 > has anyone else encountered problems, is it still working?=20 Sorta. I'm sure if Noah's got time today he'll chime in on this. I believe one can search through old digests, but otherwise things are a bit confuzzled. OTOH, if you're searching for something from the past 18 months or so, I (or anyone else with a gmail account) can probably look for something for you without too much difficulty... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Projection at NHL hockey game (now going way OT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C57 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Go Canes. Only til next round... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:37:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Few what? Women? If so, please share your statistics and their source. > Because no woman I know finds such advertisements at all amusing, and I > frequently hear complaints about them. In fact, I don't know any woman who > enjoys being objectified and dismissed. Last weekend I had the "Pleasure" ???? of working a Rap show at the Theatre. There were women that were supposedly "With the show" and many that were encouraged by the performers to clamber up onto the stage despite our security precautions. (Yes CB - I *know* non trained people shouldn't be allowed on the stage, I *Agree* with you and we didn't "Allow" them to.) Looking at the way they dressed and the way that they "danced", they were objectifying themselves far more than any advert I've ever seen. They were doing it by choice - not because some man paid them to do it, so apparently some women DO enjoy being objectified! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I believe the original request was for a method that would make the data > completely irrecoverable. We have been addressing that request. > > What we may individually feel about the desireability of such an action is > immaterial. Actually Bill, Frank has an old computer that I believe he wants to sell or give away, and didn't want to be passing his data along with it. "Completely irrecoverable" is a relative term. I don't believe that he was worried about Scotland Yard or anyone forensically recovering data. ;-) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44609E09.8050804 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:50:01 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > Looking at the way they dressed and the way that they "danced", they > were objectifying themselves far more than any advert I've ever seen. They > were doing it by choice - not because some man paid them to do it, so > apparently some women DO enjoy being objectified! This seems to be the current trend. It's called "raunch" and it basically tosses out the window everything that women have strived for over the last forty or fifty years. Very frustrating. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008b01c67371$4d70bad0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Sketch up part-Deux! Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:03:09 -0700 > I'm on the fence and have a 3d project that needs completing in a few > days. > > It does seem like we can only use the SUN. Is this true? > True. > Also my associate is having trouble viewing structures from the > inside...so > if we are doing a large event inside a tent and lighting tent walls, it > would seem that sketch-up is not the way to go. True? > True - SU doesn't make 'double-sided' models by itself. You can extrude walls 'inward' by as little as maybe a half an inch to make it work. > If that is incorrect, do you think I can "emulate" lighting looks with > textures or imported photos applied to interior tent surfaces? > You can do that - sounds like a lot of work, though. One thing I really like about SU and surface-mapped textures is the ability to dynamically grab and rotate/stretch/squash/tip a texture. Cool stuff. > I'm thinking VW may be the way to go for this gig. Probably. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:06:45 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000601c67371$cea227b0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: Jim Hyslop wrote: >This seems to be the current trend. It's called "raunch" and >it basically tosses out the window everything that women have >strived for over the last forty or fifty years. Very frustrating. But as Bruce said, the women seemed to exhibit this behavior by choice. Maybe not the best and/or most educated choice, for sure, but a choice nonetheless. In the past, women had very little choices at all. Compare your reaction to a conservative's reaction to Go-Go dancers in the 60's. Supposedly they were "liberated" women freely expressing their sexuality. Seems tame now, as do Flappers from the 1920's, who created a similar sensation. An argument can be made that such behavior is liberating in some way, given that men have been free to express their sexuality in crude ways since...well, forever. Not that such behavior is not in poor taste (it most certainly is, and that's were I have a problem with it), but I don't think it "tosses out the window everything that women have strived for", IMHO. What REALLY threatens to toss out what women have achieved is the danger from the right regarding abortion rights, equal pay, equal access to health care, etc. Not shakin' yo booty... Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Compare your reaction to a conservative's reaction to Go-Go dancers in the > 60's. Are you calling me a conservative?? Bite your tongue!!! Although to be fair, I suppose I'm more conservative than I once was. A little more so each year I grow older. OMG - it's true - I'm slowly turning into my father! Fight it Bruce, Don't give in to the dark side!!! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:36:49 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: OT: Yorkie Bars In-reply-to: Message-id: <934283A5-FE58-49EA-AC19-DB7CBB22A9F1 [at] klad.com> References: I was picturing a lot of small dogs, with pints. On May 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Andrew Nikel wrote: > Yorkie bars for the kids ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:40:53 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <001001c67376$936df570$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: Bruce Purdy wrote: >Are you calling me a conservative?? Nah. Being offended by such behavior is not a result of being a "Conservative" or "Liberal". It just demonstrates that you have good taste. While deploring lewd behavior is often seen by some as a "conservative value", as a moderate liberal (and proud of it), I it bothers me because I think that, as a culture, we can do better than constantly playing to our baser instincts. But, then I grew up loving "Sex, Drugs, and Rock n' Roll", so I need to be mindful of hurling stones near my glass house. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060509144412.55858.qmail [at] web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: > Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote: > > What I do find bothersome > > is the casual assumption that violence is a > > solution to anything. > --- Jim Hyslop wrote: > I never read any actual nor intended violence into > Allison's statement. > ISTM the phrase "kick your ass," when used > competitively like this, has > come to mean "excel far beyond you can even dream > possible." And that, in a nutshell, is the problem with Political Correctness run amuck. I DO read violence into that line, even if it is meant metaphorically. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: Eiffel Tower Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: =20 Hi, I just received a request from the university president's wife who is seeking a replica of the Eiffel Tower for a themed event to open a new dining hall on campus. I don't have one - fancy that - but I wonder if anyone out there might have something available for rent or loan. Height could probably be up to 12 feet with the footprint appropriate to the height. Please contact me off list at rees [at] fredonia.edu or at 716.673.3326 BTW, I am in Western New York south of Buffalo on Lake Erie. TIA Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Subject: Eiffel Tower Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: =20 Hi, I just received a request from the university president's wife who is seeking a replica of the Eiffel Tower for a themed event to open a new dining hall on campus. I don't have one - fancy that - but I wonder if anyone out there might have something available for rent or loan. Height could probably be up to 12 feet with the footprint appropriate to the height. Please contact me off list at rees [at] fredonia.edu or at 716.673.3326 BTW, I am in Western New York south of Buffalo on Lake Erie. TIA Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Subject: NHL Hockey Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: Not so far OT. Around here, the Sabre Dance IS the topic. :)=20 Ryan Miller Rules. 43 saves for 44 SOG last nite. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game (now going way OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Go Canes. Only til next round... ------------------------------ Subject: NHL hockey (now going way OT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Not so far OT. Around here, the Sabre Dance IS the topic. :) Ryan Miller Rules. 43 saves for 44 SOG last nite. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Projection at NHL hockey game (now going way OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Go Canes. Only til next round... ------------------------------ Subject: test Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:10:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sorry for the BW S ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42a.6d71a9.31920a36 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:07:34 EDT Subject: Re: Eiffel Tower In a message dated 5/9/06 11:00:47 AM, Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu writes: << Hi, I just received a request from the university president's wife who is seeking a replica of the Eiffel Tower for a themed event to open a new dining hall on campus. I don't have one - fancy that - but I wonder if anyone out there might have something available for rent or loan. Height could probably be up to 12 feet with the footprint appropriate to the height. Please contact me off list at rees [at] fredonia.edu or at 716.673.3326 BTW, I am in Western New York south of Buffalo on Lake Erie. TIA Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia >> that's a fairly standard "prop" for a lot of theme party rental houses. . . . I'd check the party suppliers / prop houses in Buffalo. . . bet they 've got one somewhere there. best regards, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C59 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Don't give in to the dark side!!! Come to the dark side...we have cookies. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:19:14 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Eiffel Tower In-reply-to: Message-id: <5BF7871D-74D9-4C9C-AE27-7615E62201DC [at] interstellar.com> References: On May 9, 2006, at 7:05 AM, wrote: > I just received a request from the university president's wife who is > seeking a replica of the Eiffel Tower for a themed event to open a new > dining hall on campus. I don't have one - fancy that - but I > wonder if > anyone out there might have something available for rent or loan. Stagecraft-sized Erector Set? :) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:33:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1147188802.2277.46.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 11:15 -0400, Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Don't give in to the dark side!!! > > Come to the dark side...we have cookies. :) But don't forget to bring your flashlight, else you will not be able to find the cookies! :-) - Erwin ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060509155252.52591.qmail [at] web50703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: T-shirt hell.... In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >Careful, he'll just point you to T-shirt hell dot com. Every black-encrusted stagehand knows 'em,<< I love t-shirt hell. I've had several outrageous shirts though the years (I used to work at a screen print shop and we could do our own after hours) but those guys take the cake. They've got shirts I wouldn't dream of wearing in public (OK, maybe to DragonCon but only 'cause most of the people attending are reprobates anyway ;-) Michael Sorensen Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <036d01c67388$31fb7f30$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: the dark side of the street Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:46:45 -0700 >> > Don't give in to the dark side!!! >> >> Come to the dark side...we have cookies. :) > > But don't forget to bring your flashlight, else you will not be able to > find the cookies! :-) > > - Erwin > If we aren't all going to the dark side, why have we spent so much time and trouble teaching ourselves to see in the dark? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Eiffel Tower Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C25D [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" "Paris" is a popular prom theme - try prom and party outfits like = Andersons, Stumps, or Shindigz. Good Luck, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- =20 Hi, I just received a request from the university president's wife who is seeking a replica of the Eiffel Tower for a themed event to open a new dining hall on campus. I don't have one - fancy that - but I wonder if anyone out there might have something available for rent or loan. Height could probably be up to 12 feet with the footprint appropriate to the height. Please contact me off list at rees [at] fredonia.edu or at 716.673.3326 BTW, I am in Western New York south of Buffalo on Lake Erie. TIA Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Message-Id: <8d942b47db8325af7ea10b279be039b0 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: Strand Century Lekos & parts available Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:06:04 -0400 Hi All, Spring cleaning is always fun... This year, I've come across a bag of lens tube locking knobs for Strand [and/or] Century Lekos (should work with any 6" tube prior to the revised model introduced in the '90s). If anyone can use some/all of these, they are yours for the cost of shipping. I also have (3) gently-used Strand Century 4.5x6.5 Lekos (model 2204, with iris) I'd be willing to trade. Please contact me off list if interested. Cheers, -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.4f90e9d6.31922ec2 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:30 EDT Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery In a message dated 09/05/06 03:22:55 GMT Daylight Time, TechDir [at] comcast.net writes: > Killing a drive is easy if you don't want the drive again just hit it with a > hammer. If you want the drive take out the HD and go to a public library, > the media department has a desk magnet that they used to use to erase tapes > and any magnetic media. Keep the credit cards away and pulse for about 2 > seconds. Poof a new HD!! Reminds me of the gadget we used to have for erasing 2" videotapes. It was a coil about 3' diameter, inside which the tape went in on a sliding drawer. The coil was made resonant at the mains frequency with a bank of big capacitors. When you pressed the start button, a tray in the drawer began to revolve, and a motorised auto-transformer slowly wound up the voltage, held it steady, and wound it down again. If I remember right, it generated a field of about 1,000 gauss. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:22:08 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Idaho Scenic & Rigging writes >It's been almost 30 years since my DJ days, but we used to have an >electro-magnet that we cleared our 4-track tapes with. This only works through an unshielded enclosure though. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:15:32 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim Hyslop writes >This seems to be the current trend. It's called "raunch" and it >basically tosses out the window everything that women have strived for >over the last forty or fifty years. Very frustrating. I think you'll find the women who have been "striving" against this image for forty years are the ugly ones with an axe to grind. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:42:42 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: T-shirt hell.... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Sorensen writes >I love t-shirt hell. I've had several outrageous shirts though the >years (I used to work at a screen print shop and we could do our own >after hours) but those guys take the cake. They've got shirts I >wouldn't dream of wearing in public (OK, maybe to DragonCon but only >'cause most of the people attending are reprobates anyway ;-) These days you can get great T-shirt prints using the computer cut vinyl system. Your logo gets cut out on a vinyl plotter then it gets heat pressed onto your shirt. Nice solid colours even on black. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:06:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT - Data Recovery In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060509110454.01f92bc0 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 10:43 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >Poof a new HD!! One comment, some hard disks pre-record one surface with tracking info and even the program for the processors in the drive. This lets the processor have a simple boot-ROM that works with all their drives. If this surface gets erased, then the controller board is dead (but the disk can still be recovered for $$$$). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3f3.1e8b2ba.31923b1a [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:36:10 EDT Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In a message dated 09/05/06 04:34:43 GMT Daylight Time, jea00321 [at] yahoo.com writes: > Frank, I wasn't going to weigh in here. Really, I > wasn't. Even when you said "But, generally, women tend > to have a lower level of technical understanding. " June. If you had read the whole of my post, and possibly some others, you would have seen that I attributed this to the fact that they had different educational experiences. Where I did woodwork and metalwork, the associated girls school did cooking and sewing. All four are skilled crafts, but reflect different expectations. When the girls wanted to do university entrance level physics and chemistry, they had to come to us, as they had no teachers capable at that level. When a boy wanted to do biology, he went over to the girls school, for the same reason. All this was back in the fifties. Things have changed since then. The two schools have formally been combined. But I report the way it was. > > Would you, for once in your life, consider that YOUR > experience is not everyone's experience? Consider that > many things have changed since "your day" - not least > among them, male/female relations in general, and the > role of women in theater specifically? As I have said, that was the way it was back in the fifties. The world has changed since I was a schoolboy, fifty years ago, and sometimes for the better, if not always. > > I'm a Stage Manager. I run a "tight ship". OTOH, > understanding the technical side of the show has often > been a great help to me in my Stage Management career, > allowing me to communicate more effectively with > Designers and technicians, and explain technical > aspects of the show to directors and actors. Not to > mention, calling a pretty good show. Which, I know, > you (and presuably your wife) don't believe in, but > other people do. I'm sure you are a good SM. You will not convert me on calling shows, but that is irrelevant to this topic. > > Is it POSSIBLE for a woman to have "technical > understanding"? Of course it is. Obviously, it is. No argument whatsoever. But it depends on her education and inclinations, and on the educators. It has been slow to come down, and still has not really arrived. A woman in a 'hard hat' engineering job is often worthy of a news item. > There are many many women in technical theater. We're > still in the minority. Physical work has historically > appealed more to men than to women. OTOH, the world is > changing, and the work is changing. Indeed there are. I have to say that some are not very good at it. But the three best SMs I have worked with were all women. > > Frank is not part of that generation. He's part of the > group that has still not learned not to voice tacky > opinions in public. I don't. I report the way it was, with no value judgements attached. But it is true that I am of an older generation Today is my 67th birthday. > > OTOH, there are people out there looking for offense, > and they are just tiresome. I've been told that I > can't refer to connectors as male and female. That I > can't call a pair of diagonal cutters "dykes". That I > can't ask people to "breast" a pipe. Puh-leeze. If > you're that sensitive, get another job. My opinion, of > course. Your mileage may vary. I share it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:43:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060509114237.01f3b9d8 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 11:36 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >Today is my 67th birthday. > > >Frank Wood Happy Birthday! I'd sing the song, but: 1: I can't sing; 2: I don't have copyright clearance on it. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Kirk Wahamaki" Subject: Sound advice? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:47:52 -0400 Organization: Muskegon Civic Theatre Message-ID: <000001c67399$14320210$2101a8c0 [at] computer3> In-reply-to: Our educational division has a touring youth theatre group made up of = 7th through 12th Grade students which present plays to elementary schools in = the area. Our portable sound system, powered mixer, Community Speakers, Sure SM58, condenser microphones and CD player. All of the equipment is new or has = been professionally serviced, tested and works wonderfully 80 percent of the time. When the touring company is at a school with inductive loop technology for the hearing impaired RF static overcomes the system and = we cannot use our sound system. The problem occurs at the same schools = even with other equipment.=20 Has anybody had similar experiences and does anyone have any ideas to correct the problem Thanks, Kirk M. Wahamaki Artistic Director, Muskegon Civic Theatre kwahamaki [at] muskegoncivictheatre.org =20 =20 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <411.12af7f0.319242c3 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:08:51 EDT Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In a message dated 09/05/06 19:44:35 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > >Today is my 67th birthday. > > > > > >Frank Wood > > Happy Birthday! Thanks for the thought. > > I'd sing the song, but: > 1: I can't sing; > 2: I don't have copyright clearance on it. I think it is probably out of copyright. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:13:59 -0700 Happy Birthday Frank! ----- Original Message ----- From: > I don't. I report the way it was, with no value judgements attached. But > it > is true that I am of an older generation Today is my 67th birthday. > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3f6.1e9145c.319243f7 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:13:59 EDT Subject: Re: Sound advice? In a message dated 09/05/06 19:48:44 GMT Daylight Time, kwahamaki [at] muskegoncivictheatre.org writes: > Our portable sound system, powered mixer, Community Speakers, Sure SM58, > condenser microphones and CD player. All of the equipment is new or has been > professionally serviced, tested and works wonderfully 80 percent of the > time. When the touring company is at a school with inductive loop > technology for the hearing impaired RF static overcomes the system and we > cannot use our sound system. The problem occurs at the same schools even > with other equipment. It's not an RF problem. Inductive loops work at baseband. Check out your grounding and cable screening very carefully. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03b301c6739d$8c176140$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: "you say it's your birthday" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:51 -0700 >> I'd sing the song, but: >> 1: I can't sing; >> 2: I don't have copyright clearance on it. > > I think it is probably out of copyright. > > > Frank Wood > Copyright protection won't expire until 2030. The song generates over $2 million per year. Have a good birthday anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:24 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Like June I was going to let this one go but Clive, that remark is just plane RUDE. I resent it immensely. There are some things that are forgivable when you are "joking" but an insult toward the entire Equal Rights Movement hurts my feelings and makes me mad for the perceived insult toward all that my Mother and I have worked for. You obviously have know idea what it was like for those of us who got into this business 20 years ago. We had to put up with a lot of crap and work very hard to "prove" we were not only as good as but usually had to be Better than the boys in order to be considered one of them. Further more you have no idea how hard it was for my Mother to find a job to support us after my Father died. There were NO opportunities for a woman over 50 to find good paying work in the 60s or 70s. So as far as having an ax to grind no, she had bills to pay and food to put on the table. As someone said earlier, If you cant say something nice don't say anything at all. My Mom used to say that a lot too. Merel Ray-Pfeifer On 5/9/06 1:15 PM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Jim Hyslop > writes >> This seems to be the current trend. It's called "raunch" and it >> basically tosses out the window everything that women have strived for >> over the last forty or fifty years. Very frustrating. > > I think you'll find the women who have been "striving" against this > image for forty years are the ugly ones with an axe to grind. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:23:46 -0400 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In-Reply-To: References: Happy Birthday, Frank! OK - I'll do it: Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday dear Frankie ( gee - ain't I a stinker ) Happy birthday to YOOOOOOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!! Ken On 5/9/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Today is my 67th birthday. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:27:45 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: OT - Data Destruction In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/9/06, Bill Nelson wrote: > What we may individually feel about the desireability of such an action i= s > immaterial. Are we on the same list? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <17470035.1147203068745.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:31:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" Happy Birthday, Frank! Here's to many more years of spirited discussions! ;) "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- >From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > > Today is my 67th birthday. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060509140636.00dd9088 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:06:36 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >Are there useless little twinkies littering theaters >everywhere? Of course. They come in both sexes. What she said. >When I'm deciding whether or not to be offended by >someone's comments, intent is the single biggest >factor in my book. Yeah, me too! >OTOH, there are people out there looking for offense, >and they are just tiresome. [ ... ] Puh-leeze. If >you're that sensitive, get another job. OK, this is happening far too often. I vote that any time we have one of these disputes that we just wait for June to weigh in, and consider that the last word. Leatherman vs. Gerber, MAC vs PC, boys vs girls, whatever. Thank you again, June, for your concise, emotionally neutral and level-headed two cents. As always, worth far more than that. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060509141100.00dd9088 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:11:00 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >I have met several men who are quite open about their >technical/mechanical ineptitude. Perhaps coincidentally, these men were >all gay (and before anyone wonders if I'm being derogatory to gay men, I >also know many gay men who are very skilled technically). Having toured in theatre, I have met many men that are technically adept (far more than I am) and also gay. I'm not entirely coninced that the number of gay men in technical jobs in theatre is entirely co-incidental. I have also, in my life, met many men that are openly technically/mechanically inept. In fact, not only are they out of the closet they are in the licing room with their feet up on teh coffee table, and teh VCR is blinking '12:00'. Even these men would not publicly admit that teh operation of a hammer is beyond them. You may, however, know different men than I do... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060509141312.00dd9088 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:13:12 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >I never read any actual nor intended violence into Allison's statement. >ISTM the phrase "kick your ass," when used competitively like this, has >come to mean "excel far beyond you can even dream possible." Kinda sucks when your statement is mis-interpreted and re-acted to before anyone asks you exactly what you meant to try and convey and then goes off and considers you a less evolved person for typing it in public, don't it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060509141749.00dd9088 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:17:49 From: CB Subject: Re: "...a man's job" >I would be impressed by a guy who would buy and wear that >shirt, though. That'd be making a statment, man. My buddies on one of the tours got me a T that said, "Pre-operative transexual lesbian (do the math)" because they were convinced that 'straight man' didn't accurately portray my twisted lil mind. I'd wear the T-shirt, except that the only thing that people would take away rom it was that I didn't have a pair. Now, it might be sexist, and/or small minded, but I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with that. Aw jeez! I am never going to afford the therapy I'm gonna need! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060509141917.00d4b1f0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:19:17 From: CB Subject: RE: "...a man's job" >> I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to >> use a hammer. >Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. One... ; > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:16:17 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-reply-to: Message-id: <446106A1.7040205 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> I would be impressed by a guy who would buy and wear that >> shirt, though. That'd be making a statment, man. >> > > My buddies on one of the tours got me a T that said, "Pre-operative > transexual lesbian (do the math)" because they were convinced that > 'straight man' didn't accurately portray my twisted lil mind. I'd wear the > T-shirt, except that the only thing that people would take away rom it was > that I didn't have a pair. Now, it might be sexist, and/or small minded, > but I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with that. Aw jeez! I am never > going to afford the therapy I'm gonna need! > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > Ummm... 'a pair' of whats? Carla ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:35:23 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Snips! oops! sjl > From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:16:17 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: "...a man's job" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > CB wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> I would be impressed by a guy who would buy and wear that >>> shirt, though. That'd be making a statment, man. >>> >> >> My buddies on one of the tours got me a T that said, "Pre-operative >> transexual lesbian (do the math)" because they were convinced that >> 'straight man' didn't accurately portray my twisted lil mind. I'd wear the >> T-shirt, except that the only thing that people would take away rom it was >> that I didn't have a pair. Now, it might be sexist, and/or small minded, >> but I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with that. Aw jeez! I am never >> going to afford the therapy I'm gonna need! >> Chris "Chris" Babbie >> Location Sound >> MON AZ >> > Ummm... 'a pair' of whats? > > Carla ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <215677fa1fab1d541bd2b79178aed34b [at] ucla.edu> From: Samuel Jones Subject: Chain motor record fields Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:41:19 -0700 Cc: THEATER-L [at] LISTS.NEMETSCHEK.NET (VectorWorks Theater Discussion List) I'm starting to develop macros for Vectorscript that deal with and manage chain motors. If you were to attach a record to each motor, what fields would you want in that record? Same question, what do you want to keep track of for each chain motor? TIA, Sam Samuel L. Jones AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight Developer sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu (310) 207-0392(h) (310) 825-5823(w) (310) 993-4172(c) ========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Chain motor record fields In-reply-to: Message-id: <4371.24.58.9.233.1147211528.squirrel [at] webmail.ithaca.edu> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm starting to develop macros for Vectorscript that deal with and > manage chain motors. If you were to attach a record to each motor, > what fields would you want in that record? Same question, what do you > want to keep track of for each chain motor? Size/Capacity. Chain length. Address/where it's plugged in to the controller. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Chain motor record fields Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:00:13 -0400 What Steve said. Plus, maybe, speed (if selectable), control type (if you're dealing with different protocols for controlling different motors), where it's controlled from, and a function/name (is it holding up truss? speakers? set pieces? And which specific ones?) That's all off the top of my head. -- Matt >From: Samuel Jones >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >CC: THEATER-L [at] LISTS.NEMETSCHEK.NET (VectorWorks Theater Discussion List) >Subject: Chain motor record fields >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:41:19 -0700 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I'm starting to develop macros for Vectorscript that deal with and manage >chain motors. If you were to attach a record to each motor, what fields >would you want in that record? Same question, what do you want to keep >track of for each chain motor? > >TIA, >Sam > > >Samuel L. Jones >AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight Developer >sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu >(310) 207-0392(h) >(310) 825-5823(w) >(310) 993-4172(c) > >========================================================== > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4461128B.6010907 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:07:07 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > I think you'll find the women who have been "striving" against this > image for forty years are the ugly ones with an axe to grind. Please warn me next time you're going to say something like this - I want to be as far away from ground zero as possible. I was going to write a fairly detailed rebuttal, but I realized it would be a waste of time. If you were serious, there is likely not much I can say that will sway your opinion. If you were not serious, then I hope Merel's response helps you realize just how hurtful your words were. In either case, all I can do is shake my head and walk away. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Cc: THEATER-L [at] LISTS.NEMETSCHEK.NET ('VectorWorks Theater Discussion List') Subject: RE: Chain motor record fields Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:08:08 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sam - >If you were to attach a record to >each motor, what fields would you want in that record? Motor number or ID Controller Location Function (lighting, audio, video, scenic, etc.) Type/Capacity (Single-Phase, 3-phase, brand, 1-ton, 1/2-ton, etc.) Inverted or not Max trim or trim-to-hook needed Random notes (w. chain climbers, vendor, w. weight sensor or trim counter, etc.) Chain Length Weight (of chain and motor) Weight on point (for example, if lighting: truss + fixtures + cable + focus person + motor&chain + softgoods, etc.) X&Y relative to datum point (if not 0,0) Regards - C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com landrudesign [at] earthlink.net www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20c.16398048.319270e8 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:25:44 EDT Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In a message dated 09/05/06 20:24:28 GMT Daylight Time, ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: > Happy Birthday, Frank! Thanks. Every year survived is a small triumph over 'Time's winged chariot', these days. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:26:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Sound advice? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Benjamin G. Stickels" A good place to ask this particular question would be the Theatre Sound List-Serv THEATRE-SOUND [at] LISTSERV.AOL.COM I'm sure one of the folks on that list will have a good idea of how to fix your problem. Benjamin G. Stickels ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <428.787ad9.319271e1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:29:53 EDT Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In a message dated 09/05/06 20:31:46 GMT Daylight Time, bigfred [at] mindspring.com writes: > Happy Birthday, Frank! > > Here's to many more years of spirited discussions! ;) Thanks. I shall do my best to ensure them. I am just recovering from a badly broken left arm, which will excite the metal detectors next time I fly anywhere. But at least I can just about drive my car again. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <32e.3839df5.319273f6 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:38:46 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 09/05/06 22:13:39 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >> I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to > >> use a hammer. > >Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. > > One... It requires a surprising amount of skill. You almost have to learn to throw the head at the target, controlling it with the haft. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <40d.1361912.319276dc [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:51:08 EDT Subject: Re: Chain motor record fields In a message dated 09/05/06 22:41:52 GMT Daylight Time, sjones [at] ucla.edu writes: > > I'm starting to develop macros for Vectorscript that deal with and > manage chain motors. If you were to attach a record to each motor, > what fields would you want in that record? Same question, what do you > want to keep track of for each chain motor? Current position, desired positiion, and speed. All the other parameters can be worked out from these. May be speed is superfluous, as it can be calculated from the rate of change of position. These are the standard parameters for any servo-mechanism. All the rest is a matter of how clever your programming is. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:58:37 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Having toured in theatre, I have met many men that are technically >adept (far more than I am) and also gay. I'm not entirely coninced >that the number of gay men in technical jobs in theatre is entirely >co-incidental. Many gay men in technical jobs still have to hide their sexuality these days, even in a theatre environment. In an industrial environment it's still absolutely taboo to be known to be gay. I'm gay. I work for a living and always have since I left school at the age of 16 and served my apprenticeship as an industrial electrician. I've never attempted to play on my gender to get any form of special treatment. Equality for us isn't even remotely near what women have. I suppose I should consider myself lucky that my sexuality isn't considered a criminal offence any more like it was when I was young. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:08:18 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "...a man's job" References: In-Reply-To: In message , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes >It requires a surprising amount of skill. You almost have to learn to >throw the head at the target, controlling it with the haft. The most significant skill is keeping your fingers from under the hammer. This is especially important when you spend time wraggling conduits and boxes into concrete walls with a mash hammer and "scutch". This task involves using explosive force that has no mercy for misplaced fingers. UK health and safety doesn't regard fractured fingers as a reportable incident. After 25 years as an electrician I'd love to see an x-ray of my hands to see just how many fractures I've had in my life. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:49:36 +0100 From: "Tony Miller" Subject: Re: odd vehicles (OT except for LRLR) In-Reply-To: References: There are some really good photographs posted at it looks like quite a show. Tony Miller. On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:27:50, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >This weekend in London a French theatre company called Royal De Luxe > >is performing a piece of street theatre called "The Sultans Elephant" > >which has a 42 ton prop elephant. > > Right next to it was a photo of a 50' automated Pinocchio. The automatio= n > looks like it needs a little work... > > Or is that the elephant's rider? > (What and leave show business?) > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03dd01c673c5$1ab997c0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:03:01 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: "...a man's job" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > CB wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> I would be impressed by a guy who would buy and wear that shirt, though. >>> That'd be making a statment, man. >> >> My buddies on one of the tours got me a T that said, "Pre-operative >> transexual lesbian (do the math)" because they were convinced that >> 'straight man' didn't accurately portray my twisted lil mind. I'd wear >> the >> T-shirt, except that the only thing that people would take away rom it >> was >> that I didn't have a pair. Now, it might be sexist, and/or small minded, >> but I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with that. Aw jeez! I am never >> going to afford the therapy I'm gonna need! >> Chris "Chris" Babbie >> Location Sound >> MON AZ >> > Ummm... 'a pair' of whats? > > Carla > Well, thinking backwards through the thread, he may have meant a pair of Twinkies. They come that way naturally, in a decorative plastic wrapper. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <446131C9.7050406 [at] fivesevenfive.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:20:25 -0400 From: Carrie DePetris Subject: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? Hi Awesome People, I by no means consider the New York Daily News to be my, or anyone's, reputable news source, but I couldn't help but trip on this article while I was paging through today (don't hold it against me!). (The initial article, at the bottom of the page- http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/416167p-351571c.html). I went to school on Long Island, just about 100 miles away from Broadway. I'm by no means a "theatrical authority", but apparently I was taught well *in Junior High School* and am very aware of how to go about getting rights to shows. As for Herbert H. Lehman High School in the Bronx, not-so-much. They tried, and have failed, to put on Chicago with out ever asking for rights (ignoring the fact that they couldn't have put it on, regardless). As I was doing some more research into this, I came across a something I feel I can trust a little bit more, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/nyregion/09cnd-musical.html?_r=1&oref=slogin. Anyway, I'm happy the current Producers of Chicago decided to let the kids perform the show once, given it was likely not their fault at all that the school didn't attempt to acquire rights. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I'm a shade less than flabbergasted that the school hasn't had rights to the shows they put on for the past twenty-seven years. TWENTY-SEVEN! Somebody at Samuel French is going to be doing some exciting(?) research tomorrow... -- Carrie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060510102505.06024ef0 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:34:22 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: References: At 00:19 10.05.2006, CB wrote: > >> I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to > >> use a hammer. > >Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. > >One... Ok, it looks like it's time I came out of the closet! Natural born klutz and lighting tech / lighting director / production manager for the last 38 years. Can use a soldering iron with some difficulty, but unable to use a hammer for anything other than repairing reluctant lighting consoles :-) That's at least two, Chris. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:46:22 -0400 Subject: Off-topic.... Sorta References: <1147221984.273AD382 [at] dl11.dngr.org> From: Stuart Baulch Message-Id: <1147221985.2CAA3596 [at] fb8.dngr.org> From the New York Times "Ishmael? C'mon, Herm, Call Him Nate" Www.tinyurl.com/hm5b3 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/weekinreview/07dixon.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:49:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Anyway, I'm happy the current Producers of Chicago decided to let the > kids perform the show once, given it was likely not their fault at all > that the school didn't attempt to acquire rights. Other schools and organizations legally applied for the rights and were refused, why should this school (which apparently has a history of not licensing) be rewarded for their incompetence/ignorance/chutzpah/disregard for the law? I feel sorry for the students, I suppose after all the work they did that I'm glad they had a chance to do a performance, but I'm appalled that City Council members and the Public Advocate thought that Samuel French was in the wrong on this. What the students learned was that the law doesn't matter so long as you have political clout, a lesson I'd rather wasn't so terribly true these days. - John ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: <013501c673d5$e90c3f00$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > >> I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to > > >> use a hammer. > > >Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. > > > > One... > > It requires a surprising amount of skill. You almost have to > learn to throw > the head at the target, controlling it with the haft. The head? You're supposed to hit it with the *head*? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44614D70.2080105 [at] yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:18:24 -0500 From: Matthew Varas Subject: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's Howdy, I'm looking for some advice. The building that our theatre is in is rather old (1888), and the power is far from ideal. We've been trying to trace an oscillating noise that comes through our sound system for a few months now, and traced it back to the elevators. We're running 4 Mackie SRM-450's in the space, and the noise is present regardless of ground lift, input connected, gain, etc... We brought an O-Scope in after we traced it to being related to the elevator movement, and found the noise to be on both the hot and neutral (Primarily hot though) lines of the power all around the building. This noise presents itself as a square wave, occurring twelve times per cycle at three sets of amplitudes (three groups of four). The largest group is approx. 30V peak to peak, and they all have a time duration of approx. 60 microseconds. Down in the elevator room, which runs on three phase power each leg exhibits four primary square waves per cycle, still lasting approx. 60 microseconds, and with an amplitude of approx. 70V peak to peak. You can also see the distortion on the other two legs, 120 degrees out of phase being inducted to whichever leg your metering. The elevators utilize SCR's, and it appears that when they switch four times each cycle it's backfeeding these square waves to the rest of the buildings power. Lengthy explanation complete, we're on the hunt for something that can filter out this noise in our power. I'm assuming that we can tackle this in somewhat the same manner as noise from a lighting system since they're both SCR based. One person has recommended TOPAZ line conditioners by MGE. I'm not sure exactly which product would be the correct one, There are two that look like they might be correct. One is the Power-Suppress 100 (500VA model) http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz100/t100.htm The other is the Power-Sure 800 (500VA model) http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz800/index.htm Am I on the right track with these products? Will these work for our application, are there better units out there, and if these are the correct way to go, which one is correct? And to double check would the 500VA rated units would be the way to go, the amps in the speakers have a 300W RMS rating. It's AC, so I'm guessing that the 1.67 multiplication factor would apply in this situation. (please correct me if I'm wrong) We've decided that we'll be trying to correct the issue with a filter for each speaker, because the building is not willing to spend the money to put a massive filter down in the elevator room. (although they will pay for fixing our problem). Sorry to be so long winded, I just want to get all the info out there and be as detailed as possible so we can get this problem fixed. Thank you, Matthew Varas http://www.illusiontheater.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:06:27 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's In-reply-to: Message-id: <446158B3.6020801 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: Matthew Varas wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy, I'm looking for some advice. The building that our theatre is > in is rather old (1888), and the power is far from ideal. We've been > trying to trace an oscillating noise that comes through our sound > system for a few months now, and traced it back to the elevators. > We're running 4 Mackie SRM-450's in the space, and the noise is > present regardless of ground lift, input connected, gain, etc... > > We brought an O-Scope in after we traced it to being related to the > elevator movement, and found the noise to be on both the hot and > neutral (Primarily hot though) lines of the power all around the > building. This noise presents itself as a square wave, occurring > twelve times per cycle at three sets of amplitudes (three groups of > four). The largest group is approx. 30V peak to peak, and they all > have a time duration of approx. 60 microseconds. > > Down in the elevator room, which runs on three phase power each leg > exhibits four primary square waves per cycle, still lasting approx. 60 > microseconds, and with an amplitude of approx. 70V peak to peak. You > can also see the distortion on the other two legs, 120 degrees out of > phase being inducted to whichever leg your metering. The elevators > utilize SCR's, and it appears that when they switch four times each > cycle it's backfeeding these square waves to the rest of the buildings > power. > > Lengthy explanation complete, we're on the hunt for something that can > filter out this noise in our power. I'm assuming that we can tackle > this in somewhat the same manner as noise from a lighting system since > they're both SCR based. One person has recommended TOPAZ line > conditioners by MGE. I'm not sure exactly which product would be the > correct one, There are two that look like they might be correct. > > One is the Power-Suppress 100 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz100/t100.htm > > The other is the Power-Sure 800 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz800/index.htm > > Am I on the right track with these products? Will these work for our > application, are there better units out there, and if these are the > correct way to go, which one is correct? And to double check would the > 500VA rated units would be the way to go, the amps in the speakers > have a 300W RMS rating. It's AC, so I'm guessing that the 1.67 > multiplication factor would apply in this situation. (please correct > me if I'm wrong) > > We've decided that we'll be trying to correct the issue with a filter > for each speaker, because the building is not willing to spend the > money to put a massive filter down in the elevator room. (although > they will pay for fixing our problem). > Sorry to be so long winded, I just want to get all the info out there > and be as detailed as possible so we can get this problem fixed. > > > Thank you, > Matthew Varas > http://www.illusiontheater.org > > > I'm not sure that you're going down the right road... If you have not already done so, put the powered speakers (I am not familiar with this model at all, btw) in your theatre space with no input connected, preferably with the speaker input XLR shorted and nothing connected to the shield/ground.. If the noise is still there, then the power conditioners might be the answer. If there's no noise with no input, then the problem is what's feeding the speakers, not the speakers themselves. Carla ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060509230812.02c72d10 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:08:49 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Re: Broadway on High School This is the kicker (from the NY Times article): "When advertisements for the show went out, someone at Samuel French, the company in charge of licensing the scripts, heard about the performance and quickly faxed over a letter threatening stern penalties if the school went ahead with the performance." So the school, having been warned, decided to flout the rules and go ahead with the pirate production over the publisher's objection. Not good. The school's telling the kids you can do whatever you want _even if you've been told to stop_. That's appalling. I think the show's producers were great sports to let the kids perform after all their hard work, but I surely hope someone drives home the message that this was a gift, not a right. -KD ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #801 *****************************