Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30085847; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:01:11 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #802 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:00:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #802 1. Re: Free audio cue player offer by "Ron Palmblad" 2. Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? by "Scott Parker" 3. Re: Free audio cue player offer by "Scott Parker" 4. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by Matthew Varas 5. Re: ". . . a man's job" by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 6. Sketch-up by "David R. Krajec" 7. Frank's Birthday by "Michael Powers" 8. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 9. Re: "...a man's job" by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 10. Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? by Bruce Purdy 11. Birthday wishes by Bruce Purdy 12. Re: "...a man's job" by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: "...a man's job" by "Don Taco" 14. Re: birthday by Michael Denison 15. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by "Chris Warner" 16. VW 3d rendering experts (gave up on Sketchup) by Herrick Goldman 17. Re: birthday by Herrick Goldman 18. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by "Chris Warner" 19. Re: "...a man's job" by Charlie Richmond 20. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by Charlie Richmond 21. Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals by "Paul Puppo" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: From: "Ron Palmblad" References:

Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:13:16 -0700 I would like to check out your software too. Ron Palmblad ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Duffy" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Well, I've send out the free audio cue software to all those that > requested > it so if I've missed anyone let me know. The file was zipped and extension > changed to vip to try to get around any spam filters. If you asked for the > software and don't receive it shortly please contact me to see if I can > send > it to a more attachment friendly email address! :-) > David... > > -- > ___________________________________________ > David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L > Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia > Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 > New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au > ___________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605092023v4a99a81cw769b960556b1cec9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:23:55 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? In-Reply-To: References:

This very subject is one that is already in the works in a week long professional development workshop I'm putting together for the NYC Dept. of Ed. I know that we have been trying to get a blanket contract for rights to a collection of works so that individual schools don't have to deal with all the contract details. Scott On 5/9/06, John McKernon wrote: > > Other schools and organizations legally applied for the rights and were > refused, why should this school (which apparently has a history of not > licensing) be rewarded for their incompetence/ignorance/ > - John > > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605092026n5bb68bacj2635e1aaad92f549 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:26:32 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Cc: david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au Subject: Re: Free audio cue player offer In-Reply-To: References:

Me too please, Scott On 5/9/06, David Duffy wrote: > -- Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44615FDA.7060004 [at] yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:36:58 -0500 From: Matthew Varas Subject: Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's References: In-Reply-To: I'm not sure that you're going down the right road... If you have not already done so, put the powered speakers (I am not familiar with this model at all, btw) in your theatre space with no input connected, preferably with the speaker input XLR shorted and nothing connected to the shield/ground.. If the noise is still there, then the power conditioners might be the answer. If there's no noise with no input, then the problem is what's feeding the speakers, not the speakers themselves. Carla This has already been done. The behavior is exhibited on all audio devices in the space (intercoms included), and is there regardless of a connection to the input of the units. The noise is for sure in the power, as we can watch it on the O-Scope while we hear it, and you can see the square waves move in the time domain as you hear it oscillate. Matthew Varas http://www.illusiontheater.org ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3fa.1d968a6.3192b9fe [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: ". . . a man's job" In a message dated 5/9/2006 2:36:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes: > Today is my 67th birthday. Happy Birthday, Frank. May you enjoy many more. SteveV Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: Sketch-up Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:43:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Herrick, If you make your tent surface translucent in Sketch-up, you will see the sun in the tent. Sketch-up allows you to vary the degree of translucency on any face. I'm a big fan of Sketch-up. It's great for quick and dirty perspective 3-D and can do very fine detail work as well. David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0605092046q65e54c60u5f9da1ceb284097d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:46:23 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Frank's Birthday From: > ............. Today is my 67th birthday. > Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!! -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:18:30 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's In-reply-to: Message-id: <44616996.5060904 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References:

Matthew Varas wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure that you're going down the right road... > > If you have not already done so, put the powered speakers (I am not > familiar with this model at all, btw) in your theatre space with no > input connected, preferably with the speaker input XLR shorted and > nothing connected to the shield/ground.. If the noise is still there, > then the power conditioners might be the answer. If there's no noise > with no input, then the problem is what's feeding the speakers, not > the speakers themselves. > > Carla > > > > This has already been done. The behavior is exhibited on all audio > devices in the space (intercoms included), and is there regardless of > a connection to the input of the units. The noise is for sure in the > power, as we can watch it on the O-Scope while we hear it, and you can > see the square waves move in the time domain as you hear it oscillate. > > Matthew Varas > http://www.illusiontheater.org > > > > > Then I think you are going to have a world of problems... Sounds like the entire building electrical system is a giant radiating antenna of the interference from the elevator scr controller. You'll be playing 'Whack a Mole" with every piece of audio gear in the place. If the building owner will actually pay to mitigate the problem in your equipment, it might be cheaper for him to filter the source rather than all the myriad receivers. Good luck! Carla ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:30:55 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: References:

I have a question. I've watched this subject heading evolve for a while now and...... are we getting a little off topic? But since I've taken the time to press the "reply" key: I keep relating this male/female relations discussion back to the actor/tech relations discussion on this list a while ago, and continuously find myself arriving at the same conclusion: The Golden Rule. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Period. Regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, profession or any other label or stereotype. One would think this includes "Wood bashing". Being relativly new to the list (a couple of months), perhaps someone could explain to me all of this hostility towards Frank. Off list is fine if it's that sensitive of an issue. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:38:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Anyway, I'm happy the current Producers of Chicago decided to let the > kids perform the show once, given it was likely not their fault at all > that the school didn't attempt to acquire rights. I'm happy too for the kids - innocent victims in this whole mess that they are. I would think that a seminar teaching the principals of intellectual property would be in order for the administration, and the students as well. A simple school assembly to review what happened and why could be an invaluable learning opportunity. I'm a little puzzled though by the 75 mile restriction. > For many Broadway and touring shows, agreements are negotiated by the > producers, the writers and the theater owners that prohibit a production of > the show within a certain radius, to prevent competition. Forgetting that I've always been taught that competition is a good thing and that this sounds like "Restraint of trade", I can't believe that a $7 High School production would actually be seriously considered as competition for a "Up to $200" Broadway show! Would anyone actually decide NOT to see the Broadway production because there was a High School doing the show? I hate "One size fits all" rules that just don't make sense! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:41:07 -0400 Subject: Birthday wishes From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: Just got home a little while ago so I'm late at chiming in here, but Happy Birthday Frank! (Even though it's over by now) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:44:47 -0400 Subject: Re: "...a man's job" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > My buddies on one of the tours got me a T that said, "Pre-operative > transexual lesbian (do the math)" because they were convinced that > 'straight man' didn't accurately portray my twisted lil mind. I'd wear the > T-shirt, except that the only thing that people would take away rom it was > that I didn't have a pair. Now, it might be sexist, and/or small minded, > but I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with that. Aw jeez! I am never > going to afford the therapy I'm gonna need! > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ Life brings interesting timing at times. I read this after getting home from showing the film "TransAmerica". Great film! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <041c01c673ed$27d03e00$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: "...a man's job" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:49:41 -0700 >> >> It requires a surprising amount of skill. You almost have to >> learn to throw >> the head at the target, controlling it with the haft. > > The head? You're supposed to hit it with the *head*? > He means the 'head' of the hammer, Jeff. (That's the metal part that isn't the handle.) Could explain the migraines. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060510053018.99163.qmail [at] web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Denison Subject: Re: birthday In-Reply-To: Oscar Wilde said that there were only two types of people...boring ones and interesting ones. Right or wrong, Happy Birthday to Frank, one of the interesting ones. > > >Today is my 67th birthday. > > > > > >Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:38:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c673f3$e8cbdf00$6801a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Since your problem does seem to be a Feeder problem, perhaps putting in = a transformer isolated power panel for ALL of your audio equipment would = be a good idea, of course for truly clean power, get an inverter that = converts AC to DC and back again. Then feed the audio equipment exclusively off of = this device it will completely isolate all AC loads from the noise in your system, if you can find a smaller device to verify the solution that = would be a smart decision as well. Going with the inverter means all of your audio equipment will work even if power goes out. You wont need a tremendously long run time, all you want is the isolation. Make sure = you get a modern model based on Pulse Width Modulation.=20 Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = Matthew Varas > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:18 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Howdy, I'm looking for some advice. The building that our theatre is = in > is rather old (1888), and the power is far from ideal. We've been = trying > to trace an oscillating noise that comes through our sound system for = a > few months now, and traced it back to the elevators. We're running 4 > Mackie SRM-450's in the space, and the noise is present regardless of > ground lift, input connected, gain, etc... >=20 > We brought an O-Scope in after we traced it to being related to the > elevator movement, and found the noise to be on both the hot and = neutral > (Primarily hot though) lines of the power all around the building. = This > noise presents itself as a square wave, occurring twelve times per = cycle > at three sets of amplitudes (three groups of four). The largest group = is > approx. 30V peak to peak, and they all have a time duration of approx. > 60 microseconds. >=20 > Down in the elevator room, which runs on three phase power each leg > exhibits four primary square waves per cycle, still lasting approx. 60 > microseconds, and with an amplitude of approx. 70V peak to peak. You = can > also see the distortion on the other two legs, 120 degrees out of = phase > being inducted to whichever leg your metering. The elevators utilize > SCR's, and it appears that when they switch four times each cycle it's > backfeeding these square waves to the rest of the buildings power. >=20 > Lengthy explanation complete, we're on the hunt for something that can > filter out this noise in our power. I'm assuming that we can tackle = this > in somewhat the same manner as noise from a lighting system since > they're both SCR based. One person has recommended TOPAZ line > conditioners by MGE. I'm not sure exactly which product would be the > correct one, There are two that look like they might be correct. >=20 > One is the Power-Suppress 100 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz100/t100.htm >=20 > The other is the Power-Sure 800 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz800/index.htm >=20 > Am I on the right track with these products? Will these work for our > application, are there better units out there, and if these are the > correct way to go, which one is correct? And to double check would the > 500VA rated units would be the way to go, the amps in the speakers = have > a 300W RMS rating. It's AC, so I'm guessing that the 1.67 = multiplication > factor would apply in this situation. (please correct me if I'm wrong) >=20 > We've decided that we'll be trying to correct the issue with a filter > for each speaker, because the building is not willing to spend the = money > to put a massive filter down in the elevator room. (although they will > pay for fixing our problem). > Sorry to be so long winded, I just want to get all the info out there > and be as detailed as possible so we can get this problem fixed. >=20 >=20 > Thank you, > Matthew Varas > http://www.illusiontheater.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:02:59 -0400 Subject: VW 3d rendering experts (gave up on Sketchup) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Hey folks, So I went with the Vectorworks solution. I've got an associate who is drafting her/his/its butt off and has some questions about how to do things more efficiently. Specifically 3d rendering with light and texture in Renderworks/spotlight And yes we know about the gig at the Apple store and we're both busy that day..can you webcast it?. If any of you happen to think you can help and wouldn't mind answering some questions for half an hour, let me know. Thanks _herrick Sensitive PC guy who only refers to his assistants as "her/his/its" when following possessive pronoun by the word BUTT. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:03:42 -0400 Subject: Re: birthday From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > >>>> Today is my 67th birthday. >>>> >>>> Frank Wood WOW! That's PRIME! Congrats! -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:08:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c673f8$39d6a610$6801a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Found this as well that might help. Talks about the EMI/RFI of Variable Frequency Devices (VFD) and ways to avoid what your are experiencing. They recommend that the input to the VFD be isolated from the incoming feeder by with an isolation transformer and with a good neutral bond. http://tinyurl.com/jck8v Chris Warner. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Varas > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:18 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy, I'm looking for some advice. The building that our theatre is in > is rather old (1888), and the power is far from ideal. We've been trying > to trace an oscillating noise that comes through our sound system for a > few months now, and traced it back to the elevators. We're running 4 > Mackie SRM-450's in the space, and the noise is present regardless of > ground lift, input connected, gain, etc... > > We brought an O-Scope in after we traced it to being related to the > elevator movement, and found the noise to be on both the hot and neutral > (Primarily hot though) lines of the power all around the building. This > noise presents itself as a square wave, occurring twelve times per cycle > at three sets of amplitudes (three groups of four). The largest group is > approx. 30V peak to peak, and they all have a time duration of approx. > 60 microseconds. > > Down in the elevator room, which runs on three phase power each leg > exhibits four primary square waves per cycle, still lasting approx. 60 > microseconds, and with an amplitude of approx. 70V peak to peak. You can > also see the distortion on the other two legs, 120 degrees out of phase > being inducted to whichever leg your metering. The elevators utilize > SCR's, and it appears that when they switch four times each cycle it's > backfeeding these square waves to the rest of the buildings power. > > Lengthy explanation complete, we're on the hunt for something that can > filter out this noise in our power. I'm assuming that we can tackle this > in somewhat the same manner as noise from a lighting system since > they're both SCR based. One person has recommended TOPAZ line > conditioners by MGE. I'm not sure exactly which product would be the > correct one, There are two that look like they might be correct. > > One is the Power-Suppress 100 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz100/t100.htm > > The other is the Power-Sure 800 (500VA model) > http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt120/powerc/tpz800/index.htm > > Am I on the right track with these products? Will these work for our > application, are there better units out there, and if these are the > correct way to go, which one is correct? And to double check would the > 500VA rated units would be the way to go, the amps in the speakers have > a 300W RMS rating. It's AC, so I'm guessing that the 1.67 multiplication > factor would apply in this situation. (please correct me if I'm wrong) > > We've decided that we'll be trying to correct the issue with a filter > for each speaker, because the building is not willing to spend the money > to put a massive filter down in the elevator room. (although they will > pay for fixing our problem). > Sorry to be so long winded, I just want to get all the info out there > and be as detailed as possible so we can get this problem fixed. > > > Thank you, > Matthew Varas > http://www.illusiontheater.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:45:16 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Andy Ciddor wrote: > At 00:19 10.05.2006, CB wrote: >> >> I have yet to meet a man that will admit to not being able to >> >> use a hammer. >> >Hi, Chris, I'm Jeff. >> >> One... > > Ok, it looks like it's time I came out of the closet! > Natural born klutz and lighting tech / lighting director / production manager > for the last 38 years. Can use a soldering iron with some difficulty, but > unable to use a hammer for anything other than repairing reluctant lighting > consoles :-) > > That's at least two, Chris. I wouldn't describe myself in quite the above terms but I definitely prefer to have the experts on the business end of hammers - soldering irons I can manager but prefer not to.. ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:49:15 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Matthew Varas wrote: > Howdy, I'm looking for some advice. The building that our theatre is in is > rather old (1888), and the power is far from ideal. We've been trying to > trace an oscillating noise that comes through our sound system for a few You might want to post this on the Theatre-sound mailing list: http://www.brooklyn.com/theatre-sound/index.html Good luck! Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0605100037p5e74ea62u25bb5cf9bd049f48 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:37:49 -0700 From: "Paul Puppo" Subject: Re: Berkey Colortran Ellipsoidals In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/8/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: > A while back I completely disassembled and overhauled a couple of > them to work out the logistics for an assembly line to do the rest of the= m. While repairing (I thought of it as restoration, because no parts had been replaced in 7 years) the Berkey/Colortran inventory at a theatre, the managment would not buy a large number of parts, so I had to make do with a dribs and drabs... I was able to assemble one compleate "New" instrument out of *differant* replacement parts. Sort of a "Philosopher's Instrument", if you will. Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #802 *****************************