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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #804

 1. Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
 2. Re: designs on recent works
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
 3. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 4. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 5. Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 6. Re: Sentencing in Station Fire
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
 7. Re: designs on recent works
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 8. Re: Broadway on High School
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 9. Hammers 
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
10. Re: [SPAM?]  Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
11. Re: Hammers
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
12. Re: "...a man's job"
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
13. Re: designs on recent works
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
14. Re: "...a man's job"
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
15. Re: designs on recent works
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
16. Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro
    by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
17. Re: designs on recent works
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
18. Re: designs on recent works
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
19. Re: tshirt hell...
    by Michael Sorensen <chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com>

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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <446.ac65b.31940913 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:27:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro

CE HAAS writes:
>...a stage carpenter.  ...... must have experience in the areas of 
>woodworking, stagecraft,  metalworking, and theatrical rigging. .... a 
>working knowledge of  pneumatic systems, plastics, and CAD ..... 

Somehow, it seems that our  job titles are becoming rather antiquated.  
Anyone ever think about  creating new names for what we do that better 
reflect the scope of it  all?  Something for this century rather than the 
past 
four or  five?

There are of course all of the traditions, and low budgets, and  unions, and 
(fill in the blank) arguments for the status quo.  But,  consider this: in 
the 
Federal Department of Labor's rather large listing of  all the possible jobs 
in 
America, theatrical technical workers do not  exist.  

While some of us argue for specialization (SOUND is not  lighting!!), we 
still 
see a continued array of postings for one person who  does all or at least a 
lot.  
I personally like the idea of being a  broadly knowledgeable craftsman (or 
artisan) 
but our job tittles do not  communicate that ability clearly.  Even among 
ourselves, a 
(long)  description is necessary to convey the true scope of a job. 

A  discussion, a movement, a revolution?   
Or is it too much like  herding cats?

Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL  


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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <110.5e6cddb3.3194092b [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:27:39 EDT
Subject: Re: designs on recent works

b purdy writes:
>Therefore he should  need to give (or sell) the right to the fruits of his 
artistry on
>a  recording. 

Does not  _Work for hire_  typically negate any  ownership rights of a worker 
no matter how artistic the contribution it may  be?

SteveV
Orlando, FL  


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510203515.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:35:15
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

>That's at least two, Chris.

..two...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510203714.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:37:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: "...a man's job"

>The head?  You're supposed to hit it with the *head*?

...three...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510204207.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:42:07
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's

>the building is not willing to spend the money 
>to put a massive filter down in the elevator room. (although they will 
>pay for fixing our problem).

The trick is to find a solution on your own that far excees the cost of the
proper filtration/elevator motor repair/replacement.  This will motivate
them to own up and fix the electrical problem instead of handing you a box
of bandaids-for-bullet-wounds.
I'd suggest a separate power drop for the sound system. Price it out, and
if it isn't the proper motivator to get them to take action, heck, you get
a separate power drop for sound!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <00b201c674ae$0d59ac70$2cac1bac [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re:  Sentencing in Station Fire
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:50:27 -0500

Good news.  You too can do something stupid leading to 100 deaths and get 
out in 4 years.

Pathetic.

Bill C. 


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510212400.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:24:00
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: designs on recent works

>This very thing just happened to me at a festival I work, where I  
>might have 8 acoustic guitarists on stage 

Eight!?!  *Only* eight!?!  I just did a gig with thirteen acoustic guitars
and one bass (electric).  Yep, simultaneously!   Creative EQ is an
understatement.  Got 'em on their feet though!

>If I were a betting man, I'd bet that this 2nd solution is the one  
>Chris is angling for. Am I right, Chris?

<HONK!>  Take that man's money!  I just want the guy doing the recording to
know that I own him.  He is a bit of a pompous git, and he shows up at the
last minute and acts as if I'm putting him out taking so long to get him
his feed.  He has graduated from parasite (taking a split off what I'm
sending to the house) to a a right b^ast^rd, insisting on his own mix, his
own eqing, and will come in and rudely ask for changes to the mix right in
the middle of the good part of my book...er right when I'm the busiest.
You were right about this part:
>This would also require prep time and other  
>participants, and would force the person who wants the recording to  
>actually think about the gear and the process and the "what-if's".
but I'd prefer it if he just brought his own mics and stayed the heck outta
my way, or came in time to let me be ready for show when show was ready for
me, and just had the proper appreciation for someone that is delivering the
product that he is selling *to make his living*.  And if that can't be
arranged, mixing *is* what I get paid for..
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510213028.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:30:28
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Broadway on High School

>'m curious where he got the score - I can see him cobbling together a
>script, but somebody has to know what notes to play on the piano, and if
>they have a band, then where did the orchestrations come from?

Uhm, soundtrack to the movie?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510213458.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:58
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Hammers 

>When using a hammer I have to keep repeating to myself " the metal nails"

...four?...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <1123.64.28.53.5.1147321843.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30105811 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30105391 [at] prxy.net> <list-30105719 [at] prxy.net>
    <list-30105811 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [SPAM?]  Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> They both look like they'll do the trick (remember the ground noise
> problem, NO ground loops).  Will they loan you one or give you a
> 30-day money back trial?

Note that the largest ETA version referenced is only 2400 VA - one 20 amp
120 volt circuit.

I didn't see any mention of voltage stabilization - e.g. correcting
brownout or overvoltage conditions. They seem to only suppress
interference and high voltage spikes/transients.

Bill


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Message-ID: <20060510214547.es9wkkco8w40sggo [at] www.email.arizona.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:45:47 -0700
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Hammers
References: <list-30110651 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30110651 [at] prxy.net>

Quoting CB <psyd [at] cox.net>:

>
>> When using a hammer I have to keep repeating to myself " the metal nails"
>
> ...four?...
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ
>


Where is the compressor?



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
520-621-7025
520-591-1803 Mobile
   http://www.myspace.com/marko66


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510215717.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:57:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: "...a man's job"

>A good argument for "say what you mean". 

Quite often the 'colorful' language or overly-verbose descriptions I use is
an effort to do exactly that.  Unfortunately, language is far from perfect,
and the written word a step away from that.   *English* written, it's a
wonder we don't get confuzzled far more often!  
It'd just be nice if, when there were two ways of taking something, and one
of them were hurtful, it was assumed that the poster meant the other one.

>How often do phrases like "Know what I mean?" or "Know what I'm sayin'?"
occur in
> your conversations?

Only those where I'm imitating the ignorant street kids or uneducated dirt
farmers.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <1153.64.28.53.5.1147323132.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30110491 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30110491 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:52:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: designs on recent works
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>


> <HONK!>  Take that man's money!  I just want the guy doing the recording
> to
> know that I own him.  He is a bit of a pompous git, and he shows up at the
> last minute and acts as if I'm putting him out taking so long to get him
> his feed.  He has graduated from parasite (taking a split off what I'm
> sending to the house) to a a right b^ast^rd, insisting on his own mix, his
> own eqing, and will come in and rudely ask for changes to the mix right in
> the middle of the good part of my book...er right when I'm the busiest.

Sounds like he is getting away with as much as he can.

Who does this guy work for?

Check your contract - and talk to your employer. It may be that you are
not required to provide any mix, or even feed, to him.

Wouldn't that frost him? He comes in at the last minute and you say
"Sorry, set up your own mikes and equipment."

Personally, if I were doing it (and if I could get away with it) I would
send him a pre-eq of each channel and tell him to mix his own sound.

Bill




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: "...a man's job"
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:56:04 -0400
Message-ID: <020801c674b7$352719f0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30109782 [at] prxy.net>


Uh...no...I was number 1.

As bad a carpenter as I am, I still don't deserve two places on the =
list....
=20
> >The head?  You're supposed to hit it with the *head*?
>=20
> ...three...


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060510221337.00d3a480 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:13:37
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: designs on recent works

>    It's a complex and murky topic, and that's what I got out of the
>original post. Of course I could be wrong - only Chris can clarify. :-)

As I said earlier, I just want the guy to go away and leave me alone.  
He and I share a client. They want the show recorded, and they hire him to
record, duplicate, and sell the show. The service he provides is
reproductions of the show for those that wish to have a copy.  
I get hired to provide a live mix for them while they are there in the
room.  I am most certainly not hired to provide a mix for this guy,
contractually.  The live mix is a work for hire, and if he were recording
that with his own mics, I'd be left alone, my world wouldn't change, and I
could relax and enjoy myself.  As it is, I have to make arrangements to
have an extra mix on the console, sometimes sacrificing one of my mixes
(although,that is really rare, I'l admit) and having him in my ear every
few minutes telling me what he needs.
This guy 'reminds' me that he needs a mix at every changeover.  Usually
right at the moment where I am done with my work.  This guy makes bank.
Not only does he get a check for just showing up to record the gigs, he
gets a premium chunk of the sales as well.  The lion's share of sales. He
has been doing this for quite a while for this client, and has just gotten
them used to the idea that this is the way that business is done.  My mixes
are what makes me employable, and its what I get paid for.  Giving 'em away
for free and not so much as a by-your-leave for it kind of irks me.  I'd
love to start the conversation at dinner and explain to them that they pay
my day rate for one job and are getting two done, and someone else is
getting the cash generated by the other one, and see what follows.  I'd
hate, however, to go into that situation un-armed.
As Unk sez, "'Zat help?"
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <005201c674b9$1ce32da0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30109683 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:09:42 -0600

>
> CE HAAS writes:
> >...a stage carpenter.  ...... must have experience in the areas
of
> >woodworking, stagecraft,  metalworking, and theatrical rigging.
.... a
> >working knowledge of  pneumatic systems, plastics, and CAD .....
>
> Or is it too much like  herding cats?
>
> Steve Vanciel
> Orlando, FL


U.S. Department of Labor
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Occupational Outlook Handbook

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aquacultural animals that may include Felines, cattle, sheep, swine,
goats, horses, poultry, finfish, shellfish, and bees. The animals
are usually raised to supply such products as Chinese food, meat,
fur, skins, feathers, eggs, milk, and honey. The farmworkers' duties
may include feeding, watering, herding, ...


Rob't  :-)


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:26:36 -0400
Subject: Re: designs on recent works
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C088434B.10ABA%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30111139 [at] prxy.net>

> Check your contract - and talk to your employer. It may be that you are
> not required to provide any mix, or even feed, to him.

    Just curious Chris,  do you *have* a contract? Reason I ask is that when
we have a concert for which I bring in a sound company, I just call or Email
one of the two that I usually use.
    I tell them what I need - send a copy of the sound portion of the band's
tech rider if they have one (Many don't) - and say "How much?" They let me
know if they are available and say something like "The same as last time"
and I reply "OK". 
    I've never had a written contract with either of them - it's just sort
of a "Verbal handshake deal". Sometimes the band (Usually amateur ones) have
someone that wants to videotape the concert. They often ask at the last
minute for a board feed, but so far are happy with whatever they are given.
    One of my sound contractors has a CD recorder in his rack, and sometimes
offers to record the house mix for them (If he gets along with the band).
    Anyway I'm curious whether you work the same way - or whether you have a
contract as others seem to assume.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:40:30 -0400
Subject: Re: designs on recent works
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C088468E.10ABF%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30111468 [at] prxy.net>

> He and I share a client. They want the show recorded, and they hire him to
> record, duplicate, and sell the show. The service he provides is
> reproductions of the show for those that wish to have a copy.
> I get hired to provide a live mix for them while they are there in the
> room.  I am most certainly not hired to provide a mix for this guy,
> contractually.  

<Snip>
> This guy makes bank.
> Not only does he get a check for just showing up to record the gigs, he
> gets a premium chunk of the sales as well.  The lion's share of sales.

    Here's a wild thought: It appears that it is all coming from your source
using your custom mix for the recording. All he is doing is operating the
recorder. 

    Why don't you hook up your own CD or hard drive recorder and do it
yourself? You're a sound guy, I'm sure you could edit it and make copies and
all. Offer the client a better deal than this guy and you can get rid of
him!  Become a "One stop sound provider", boost your income and make the
client happy. The only guy hurt would be that annoying jerk that you don't
want to deal with anyway! (You're already doing his job for him anyway)

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Message-ID: <20060511083740.76784.qmail [at] web50715.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:37:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Sorensen <chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tshirt hell...
In-Reply-To: <list-30109696 [at] prxy.net>

<<CB <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:
Anyhoo, I got'em the perfect T for the baby of a
stagehand:  "Daddy drinks because I cry!"
Hey, are you the Mike Sorensen that worked for Ballet
Arts and is going to San Diego with me?>>

I love that shirt!  They have one for my daughter that
says "Little Shiva the Destroyer."  Fits her
perfectly...

Sorry, not that Mike Sorensen (though I wish I was
going to San Diego!) Tell him not to get into trouble,
'cause there are a few bad apples with our name
running around.  But I do owe you and Mark O'Brien and
any other Tucson residents a frosty beverage sometime,
just to put names and faces together.  Nimbus Brewery,
anyone?  FYI, I live down in Rita Ranch, so trips
uptown can be a pain sometimes.  
				


Michael Sorensen
Proton Lighting and Video
"We positively charge up your show!"
Phone: 520-232-3540  
Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com

"It's all just a scam, isn't it?  
You get those actors to put on a 
show, just so you can have a good 
reason to play with your toys." 
--Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour"

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