Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30148358; Fri, 12 May 2006 03:01:58 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #805 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 03:00:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #805 1. Re: designs on recent works by "Bill Nelson" 2. Re: designs on recent works by "Bill Nelson" 3. Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? by Jim Hyslop 4. Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 5. Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro by Bruce Purdy 6. Re: designs on recent works by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 7. Re: designs on recent works by Jerry Durand 8. Re: Sentencing in Station Fire by "RD" 9. Re: International Frank Day by "RD" 10. Re: designs on recent works by Paul Marsland 11. Re: designs on recent works by CB 12. Re: [SPAM?] Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 13. Re: International Frank Day by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 14. SASL meeting (was: Re: tshirt hell...) by CB 15. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: SASL meeting (was: Re: tshirt hell...) by Mark O'Brien 17. Re: "...a man's job" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: designs on recent works by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: designs on recent works by Bruce Purdy 20. Re: designs on recent works by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. new job titles... by Michael Sorensen 22. Re: Hammers by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: designs on recent works by Jim Hyslop 24. oversized Christmas Decorations by "Frank E. Merrill" 25. Re: Broadway on High School by Jim Hyslop 26. Re: oversized Christmas Decorations by Bruce Purdy 27. Re: oversized Christmas Decorations by "Warren Stiles" 28. Re: oversized Christmas Decorations by "Mike Katz" 29. Re: new job titles... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: new job titles... by "Don Taco" 31. Re: designs on recent works by "Don Taco" 32. EFX PLUS 2 by Steve Larson 33. Re: EFX PLUS 2 by Steve Larson 34. culture and tolerance -- slightly OT by Theatre Safety Programs 35. Re: ...A mans Job by Norman Lazarus 36. Re: Hammers by Dale Farmer 37. Re: new job titles... by Dale Farmer 38. Ruler tape by Dave Marks 39. Re: new job titles... by Herrick Goldman 40. Re: Ruler tape by "Laurie Swigart" 41. Re: Ruler tape by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 42. Re: oversized Christmas Decorations by Greg Persinger 43. Re: Ruler tape by Greg Persinger *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <1965.64.28.53.5.1147341888.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: designs on recent works From: "Bill Nelson" >> This guy makes bank. >> Not only does he get a check for just showing up to record the gigs, he >> gets a premium chunk of the sales as well. The lion's share of sales. How are the sales made? Do they all occur at the gigs - or are they sold elsewhere as well? > Why don't you hook up your own CD or hard drive recorder and do it > yourself? You're a sound guy, I'm sure you could edit it and make copies > and > all. Offer the client a better deal than this guy and you can get rid of > him! Become a "One stop sound provider", boost your income and make the > client happy. The only guy hurt would be that annoying jerk that you don't > want to deal with anyway! (You're already doing his job for him anyway) This would only be viable if he can duplicate the disc and do the selling. That is why I asked about the sales above. Would the client get upset if you refused to work with the jerk, unless you got a cut - or refused to provide a feed at all? From my understanding, you are supposed to provide front of house sound. Right now, you are also doing a good share of the jerk's job - the most vital part. The client may not even know what this jerk is demanding - and may think that the great sound he is getting is due to the jerk setting up microphones and mixing the sound himself. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1988.64.28.53.5.1147343675.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: designs on recent works From: "Bill Nelson" > gets a premium chunk of the sales as well. The lion's share of sales. He > has been doing this for quite a while for this client, and has just gotten > them used to the idea that this is the way that business is done. My > mixes > are what makes me employable, and its what I get paid for. Giving 'em > away > for free and not so much as a by-your-leave for it kind of irks me. I'd > love to start the conversation at dinner and explain to them that they pay > my day rate for one job and are getting two done, and someone else is > getting the cash generated by the other one, and see what follows. I'd > hate, however, to go into that situation un-armed. It sounds like your client needs an education. Remind them that you are there to provide the house mix - not provide a recording mix. Inform them that you started out giving this jerk a straight feed off the FOH mix, but he has become more and more demanding as time went on. If you feel secure with this company - tell them that you will NOT continue spending all the time necessary to provide this special mix - unless you are amply compensated. Further, tell them that you will NOT tolerate interference from this jerk at any time during the performance - where his constant bothering you is interfering with what you are being paid to do, provide the best sound possible for the audience and the talent. In my experience - where sound has been recorded for sale, it has either been done by the FOH op - or the person doing the recording was provided a straight stereo mix off the FOH speakers. The person recording had zero say about what was provided. Also, this other person had to pay for the feed - it was not provided free. I would like to hear what other's have encountered. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44631A82.1040209 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:05:38 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Broadway on High School...High School on Broadway? References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > Oh, I agree. Unfortunately, the copyright holders do not. We once lost the > rights to do a show because a professional theatre over 90 miles away > decided to stage the production. Fortunately, it occured before we started > rehearsals. Hell, we're in Toronto, and we get locked out when a Broadway production is up. > Amateur rights are "at the bottom of the totem pole". They can be > withdrawn any time up to opening - and possibly even during the run of the > show. I have not reviewed a recent contract - so cannot say for sure. While the rights holders do have that right, I have never heard of rights being withdrawn close to performances due to professional productions (I have heard about threats to pull rights because of abuses, such as assigning songs to different characters, but that's a whole other kettle of fish). The rights holders, particularly Sam French, insist that, once you've paid your deposit, they will not revoke the rights. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. We had paid a deposit for a show (this was about 12 years ago, so I don't remember which one), casting was complete and we were about to begin rehearsals when the rights got pulled because of a Broadway revival of that show. OTOH, sometimes they screw up in our favour. We had paid the deposit for the rights to "Joseph...", and then the Mirvish Group announced that they were mounting a production starring Donny Osmond, at about the same time as ours was scheduled. One of our members is a distant cousin to one of the Mirvish Group executives. They were chatting, and the cousin asked "So what's your next production?" "Joseph." "I didn't hear that." :-) Our production ended up being nestled nicely between the original run of the show, and the return of the touring production. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:19:20 -0400 Message-ID: You know I had the same comment as we were creating the position description about the job title being woefully inadequate for what the position really does. If you look at the official "State of NC" title, it's a Laboratories Manager I position and none of the state mandated minimum qualifications have a darn thing to do with theatre. Literally some kid with a HS diploma and their only experience is running the photo lab at Wal-Greens would meet the state minimum qualifications. Luckily we are allowed to have departmental qualifications which can prevent us from having to hire that kid. Chip Haas Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina at Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:20:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If you look at the official "State of NC" title, it's a Laboratories > Manager I position and none of the state mandated minimum qualifications > have a darn thing to do with theatre. Literally some kid with a HS diploma > and their only experience is running the photo lab at Wal-Greens would meet > the state minimum qualifications. Luckily we are allowed to have > departmental qualifications which can prevent us from having to hire that > kid. It would seem that the key word there is *"Minimum"* qualifications. Just like "Minimum wage" doesn't mean you can't pay more than that, you can certainly have more restrictive qualifications - just not less. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: designs on recent works Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:51 +0000 Message-Id: <051120061608.4046.44636192000BFC7900000FCE2206998499010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CB > As I said earlier, I just want the guy to go away and leave me alone. > He and I share a client. They want the show recorded, and they hire him to > record, duplicate, and sell the show. The service he provides is > reproductions of the show for those that wish to have a copy. > I get hired to provide a live mix for them while they are there in the > room. I am most certainly not hired to provide a mix for this guy, > contractually. The live mix is a work for hire, and if he were recording > that with his own mics, I'd be left alone, my world wouldn't change, and I > could relax and enjoy myself. As it is, I have to make arrangements to > have an extra mix on the console, sometimes sacrificing one of my mixes > (although,that is really rare, I'l admit) and having him in my ear every > few minutes telling me what he needs. Perhaps you could point out to the client that they are paying this guy for a service he doesn't perform. Do they get a disount from him because the mix is done by someone else or is he charging them the same as if he were doing the mix? They are in fact paying twice for one service. Make it about the client's self interest. It would be fun to see what happens if they try and pay him less. I get video guys coming to me asking for a board feed and I provide access to the matrix output. The only thing I do is increase the matrix channel output, they even have to supply the XLR. But its my house, my board, I'm not going to lose a client. You may have to decide if the money you make is worth the hassle from him. Randy Whitcomb Manager/TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:32:48 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: designs on recent works In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060511092410.01f12438 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 09:08 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >I get video guys coming to me asking for a board feed and I provide >access to the matrix output. The only thing I do is increase the >matrix channel output, they even have to supply the XLR. But its >my house, my board, I'm not going to lose a client. When I've had to record shows (always as a favor to someone), I've shown up with a small mixer, a hum-buster (isolation transformers), and a couple of rolls of XLR cable, power strip and extension cords. The sound guy has always been happy to hook me up, and I would never think of telling him to change anything. In the LA convention center the guy did mention he normally wouldn't allow it, but since I wasn't asking for a special mix and I had real sound equipment, he didn't have a problem. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Sentencing in Station Fire Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:17 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c6751b$b5440b20$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I understand Bill and agree. In fact, in my position of Safety I continue to visit many clubs and public assembly venues, nearly ninety since the fire, and I find the scene has not really changed, i.e. crowding, blocking entrances, blocking fire exits and fire extinguishers, lack of proper supervision, etc. All major violations in my opinion, and we shall have other incidents, sadly, but perhaps not as egregious. I am sure that there are decorative violations as well, i.e. curtains, wall coverings, upholstery. As long as the money rolls, there seems to be little concern, he said as an expert. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:50 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Sentencing in Station Fire For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Good news. You too can do something stupid leading to 100 deaths and get out in 4 years. Pathetic. Bill C. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: International Frank Day Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:17 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c6751b$b6a018b0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Only the best Scotch for Frank. Skol. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:58 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: International Frank Day For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 11:36 AM 5/9/2006, Frank wrote: >Today is my 67th birthday. HBD Frank. The good scotch I suppose? ; > C Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060511171729.7643.qmail [at] web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Re: designs on recent works In-Reply-To: Ya know, many Union contracts (Denver, Atlanta, Phila come to mind) specify that if the performance is to be recorded for broadcast, publication, profit making of some kind, that the crew gets paid double the applicable pay rate during the recorded event instead of any wacky royalty/gain sharing plan. A simple, quantified, financial solution to the problem. If you are working on a fee basis instead of hourly, then you can attach such a clause and price tag to your contract with the producer, who likely is getting a cut of your parasite's profits anyway. Or you might suggest to your parasite that a bit of palm-greasing might keep the sound flowing out of his line feed (I don't like this method, but it works for some.) He might connect the lack of Benjamins to the speed with which you accomodate him... Paul > From: CB > Take that man's money! I just want the guy > doing the recording to > know that I own him. He is a bit of a pompous git, > and he shows up at the > last minute and acts as if I'm putting him out > taking so long to get him > his feed. He has graduated from parasite (taking a > split off what I'm > sending to the house) to a a right b^ast^rd, > insisting on his own mix, his > own eqing, and will come in and rudely ask for > changes to the mix right in > the middle of the good part of my book...er right > when I'm the busiest. > You were right about this part: > >This would also require prep time and other > >participants, and would force the person who wants > the recording to > >actually think about the gear and the process and > the "what-if's". > but I'd prefer it if he just brought his own mics > and stayed the heck outta > my way, or came in time to let me be ready for show > when show was ready for > me, and just had the proper appreciation for someone > that is delivering the > product that he is selling *to make his living*. > And if that can't be > arranged, mixing *is* what I get paid for.. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060511102556.00d3c658 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:25:56 From: CB Subject: Re: designs on recent works > Here's a wild thought: It appears that it is all coming from your source >using your custom mix for the recording. All he is doing is operating the >recorder. > Why don't you hook up your own CD or hard drive recorder and do it >yourself? You're a sound guy, I'm sure you could edit it and make copies and >all. It apears that you have hit the nail on the head. I odn't want to become the duplicator. Providing the live mix is enough for me, and my goal is to make the job simpler, not more complicated. It *is* a good idea, I'm just too lazy. I don't want to get all the duplicators and ancillary crud that it'd take to provide the discs pretty much as they walk out of the venue. Add to that that the client really loves him, and if I put it down to a 'me or him' situation, I'd be looking at the gig through glass. And for Bill and Bruce, the contract is actually with my employer, and he pays me to keep the client happy and coming back. He knows how I feel, but he does't know how to deal with it. A lot of the info and suppositions that you guys are sharing with me will be going to him. We're sort of in contract negotiations with the client, and they'll be using a (lesser) competitor to save budget. As we were providing much more than they were paying for and they were still complaining, we decided to let them see what the 'real world' is like. They'll either be happy with crap for less money, or realize that pro's can make a huge difference with your production. If they go for the latter, we're not going to let them beat us up as much. The recording mix may be on the table as a perk that goes away or gets paid for. Steve wrote: >Does not _Work for hire_ typically negate any ownership rights of a worker >no matter how artistic the contribution it may be? Yup. The live mix might be interpreted as a work for hire. If it were recorded, I'd just smile and ignore any 'rights' that might be mine. The mix that I provide the recordist, who sells it, is a gift that isn't part of my job, nor is it provided by contract. It is something I do because it has become expected. I wish to interrupt that chain of expectation. Remember, if you do a favor for someone long enough, it *will* become your job. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <41f.b56fd5.3194cc33 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:19:47 EDT Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Help filtering noise from elevator SCR's In a message dated 11/05/06 01:00:37 GMT Daylight Time, mattvaras [at] yahoo.com writes: > Assuming that we do manage to filter out the hot and > neutral lines, any sugestions on how to address the > remaining ground noise? (besides lifting it) Running a completely separate wire to the earth spike is a good starting point for sound equipment. An even better idea is to run all the sound cables as balanced, screened pairs, but the existing equipment may not allow this. In an environment like this, it is normal for the safety ground, which all exposed metalwork requires, to come with the supply. The ground for cable screens is the 'clean' one, and never the twain shall meet, except at the spike. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3d6.2623714.3194ce14 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: International Frank Day In a message dated 11/05/06 03:52:27 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > HBD Frank. The good scotch I suppose? ; > No, actually. Champagne and my best Armagnac. I don't get to drink a lot of that. Even when we host a dinner, many people steer clear of an after-dinner /digestif/ because of the drink-drive laws. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060511103649.00d3c658 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:36:49 From: CB Subject: SASL meeting (was: Re: tshirt hell...) >Nimbus Brewery, >anyone? FYI, I live down in Rita Ranch, So, should we have a SASL meeting at the official brewery of the Southern Arizona Stagecraft Listers? How many would be interested? What if Mike is buying the first round? What if I buy the second? Oh, and Michael, why didn't you want to live in Tucson? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <36c.3e6ad29.3194cfb7 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 11/05/06 04:20:39 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Regardless of whether you do or not, most folk won't admit that they don't > know how, and most of them don't know that they don't know how. This reminds me of a little poem. He who knows, and knows that he knows, He is a wise man, seek him. He who knows, and knows not he knows, He is asleep, wake him. He who knows not, and knows he knows not, He is a child, teach him. He who knows not, and knows not he knows not, He is a fool, shun him. Good advice. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: SASL meeting (was: Re: tshirt hell...) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:35:06 -0700 Chris has been voted our leader... Tell us what to do, O Great Leader. (I'm in) Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On May 11, 2006, at 10:36 AM, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Nimbus Brewery, >> anyone? FYI, I live down in Rita Ranch, > > So, should we have a SASL meeting at the official brewery of the > Southern > Arizona Stagecraft Listers? How many would be interested? What if > Mike is > buying the first round? What if I buy the second? > Oh, and Michael, why didn't you want to live in Tucson? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <434.a01269.3194d2d1 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:48:01 EDT Subject: Re: "...a man's job" In a message dated 11/05/06 05:51:30 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >How often do phrases like "Know what I mean?" or "Know what I'm sayin'?" > occur in > > your conversations? > > Only those where I'm imitating the ignorant street kids or uneducated dirt > farmers. There are also the coded phrases used by alleged managers. "I hear what you say" is my favourite (UNfavourite). While strictly true, on the end of it always hangs the implication "and I shall ignore it". How some of these guys got where they are is hidden from me. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2fb.4ca01ef.3194d54f [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:58:39 EDT Subject: Re: designs on recent works In a message dated 11/05/06 05:52:36 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Wouldn't that frost him? He comes in at the last minute and you say > "Sorry, set up your own mikes and equipment." > > Personally, if I were doing it (and if I could get away with it) I would > send him a pre-eq of each channel and tell him to mix his own sound. I think you are right. His needs are not the same as yours. You are trying to make a mix for the audience in the house; he is trying to record or broadcast the show. For the latter, I should personally hang a co-incident stereo pair, more or less over the conductor's head, and do little else. Figure-of-eights for choice, or maybe an MS pair. Old-fashioned, yes, but they work. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:09 -0400 Subject: Re: designs on recent works From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I think you are right. His needs are not the same as yours. You are trying to > make a mix for the audience in the house; he is trying to record or broadcast > the show. For the latter, I should personally hang a co-incident stereo pair, > more or less over the conductor's head, and do little else. The "Conductor"??? What type of concert do you suppose Chris is working on, Frank? I may be mistaken myself, but I'd bet that the type of bands he's dealing with don't have a "Conductor"! ;-) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <224.379c921.3194e2d2 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:56:18 EDT Subject: Re: designs on recent works In a message dated 11/05/06 19:24:37 GMT Daylight Time, bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: > The "Conductor"??? What type of concert do you suppose Chris is working > on, Frank? I may be mistaken myself, but I'd bet that the type of bands he's > dealing with don't have a "Conductor"! ;-) Well, I don't know. I just assume that there is someone in charge of the live sound. Myself, I assume classical music, but realise that this is not always the case. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060511190632.97029.qmail [at] web50708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: new job titles... In-Reply-To: > From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com > Message-ID: <446.ac65b.31940913 [at] aol.com> > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:27:15 EDT > Subject: Re: Carpenter Position at UNC Greensboro > Somehow, it seems that our job titles are becoming > rather antiquated. > Anyone ever think about creating new names for what > we do that better > reflect the scope of it all? Something for this > century rather than the > past > four or five? > While some of us argue for specialization (SOUND is > not lighting!!), we > still > see a continued array of postings for one person who > does all or at least a > lot. > I personally like the idea of being a broadly > knowledgeable craftsman (or > artisan) > but our job tittles do not communicate that ability > clearly. Even among > ourselves, a > (long) description is necessary to convey the true > scope of a job. > > A discussion, a movement, a revolution? > Or is it too much like herding cats? > > Steve Vanciel > Orlando, FL > I prefer the job titles "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". Michael Sorensen Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:35:56 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Hammers References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Mark O'Brien writes >Where is the compressor? Compressor? Wouldn't you rather have a Spit or Paslode nail gun powered by a little cylinder of gas and a battery? As used extensively on British construction sites. No trailing hose or compressor. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <446399D8.9080106 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:56 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: designs on recent works References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > It sounds like your client needs an education. Remind them that you are > there to provide the house mix - not provide a recording mix. Also make sure the client knows the difference. They may assume that "sound is sound." -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:15:20 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <365150252.20060511161520 [at] tcon.net> Subject: oversized Christmas Decorations O wise oracles of theatre, again I beseech thee. Hear thou my humble plea: A customer is beginning plans for Christmas decorations in the shopping mall with which he is associated, and asked me today if I might be able to provide oversized decorations of Christmas motif...ummm...make that Winter Holiday motif...e.g. very large snowflakes, candy canes, shiny ornaments et al. Not looking for snow or Santa or Creches. If you have a suggestion, kindly let me know, please. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44639DBC.8000905 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:25:32 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Broadway on High School References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/05/06 21:21:35 GMT Daylight Time, jea00321 [at] yahoo.com > writes: >> Astounding that no one has dropped a dime on them >> before. > A dime?! I should have thought that a double eagle would have been more > appropriate. I think the expression "drop a dime" means to drop a dime into a pay phone, and inform on them. Should be a quarter, now :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:28:28 -0400 Subject: Re: oversized Christmas Decorations From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > A customer is beginning plans for Christmas decorations in the > shopping mall with which he is associated, and asked me today if I > might be able to provide oversized decorations of Christmas > motif...ummm...make that Winter Holiday motif...e.g. very large > snowflakes, candy canes, shiny ornaments et al. Not looking for snow > or Santa or Creches. Googling Commercial Holiday Decorations", the first hit was: http://tinyurl.com/rw9yl There are several others as well. If you want, I can check with our local mall manager (With whom I've worked in the past) and see where she gets hers. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4590d63e0605111329x9d5a5edmc68aaa001fb3b77f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:29:39 -0500 From: "Warren Stiles" Subject: Re: oversized Christmas Decorations In-Reply-To: References: Frank, Superior Studio Specialties has an office not too far from you, in Chicago. Their seasonal themed items are available year round. www.superiorstudio.com G. Warren Stiles ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180605111407w583dd060he921377140e4390c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:07:14 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Subject: Re: oversized Christmas Decorations In-Reply-To: References:

Bruce, That is a mighty private question to ask, Maybe her significant other? Snip and see where she gets hers. > Bruce > -- --=20 Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2cb.840680f.31950c25 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:52:37 EDT Subject: Re: new job titles... In a message dated 11/05/06 20:07:14 GMT Daylight Time, chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com writes: > I prefer the job titles "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". Well, maybe. Myself, I prefer job titles which reflect at least the porpose of the post, if not the actual dutiies. LD and SD are prettiy specific. When you get into the SM/TD area it is a little bit greyer. I am sure that we all know what needs to be done to get a show on the road. But who does what, and the chain of command, are often a bit vague. Within our organisation, as an LD, I answer to the director, and to nobody else. Others will have other views. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <05b501c67548$1113e750$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: new job titles... Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:12:58 -0700 >> A discussion, a movement, a revolution? >> Or is it too much like herding cats? >> >> Steve Vanciel >> Orlando, FL >> > > I prefer the job titles "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". > > Michael Sorensen You left out, 'Dreaded Overlord.' ------------------------------ Message-ID: <05da01c67549$2e2559e0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: designs on recent works Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:20:56 -0700 >> I think you are right. His needs are not the same as yours. You are >> trying to >> make a mix for the audience in the house; he is trying to record or >> broadcast >> the show. For the latter, I should personally hang a co-incident stereo >> pair, >> more or less over the conductor's head, and do little else. > > The "Conductor"??? What type of concert do you suppose Chris is working > on, Frank? I may be mistaken myself, but I'd bet that the type of bands > he's > dealing with don't have a "Conductor"! ;-) > > Bruce Have you seen these concerts? The one in the striped denim hat is the 'Conductor.' The one in the Stetson is the 'Cowboy,' the one in the hard hat is the 'Steelworker,' and so on. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:59 -0400 Subject: EFX PLUS 2 From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Anyone out there used an EFX Plus 2 with a Source 4? They're pricey, but are they worth it? My director is looking for the projection of snow on a stage 25" x 60'. Pros, cons, something better? Undoubtedly, I can think of other things to project also. Frankly, if he wants it and they really work, there will be two in the budget come July 1. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:49:33 -0400 Subject: Re: EFX PLUS 2 From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: That should be 25' x 60'. No vertically challenged jokes necessary. Frank, our resident vertically challenged actor (he prefers dwarf), has already abused my shins. Steve > From: Steve Larson > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:59 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: EFX PLUS 2 > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >> They're pricey, but are they worth it? My director > is looking for the projection of snow on a stage > 25" x 60'. Pros, cons, something better? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511182059.0229e7d0 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:27:49 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: culture and tolerance -- slightly OT I have been disturbed by the lack of understanding of certain cultures by some posters on this list. Although I am not Jewish, I have been given a good education by my Jewish spouse. The reason many Jews live close together and near synagogues has to do with the prohibition against driving on the Sabbath, which is observed by Orthodox and some Conservative Jews. It is, therefore, necessary to live within walking distance. The Conservative Jewish movement has decided to allow driving to synagogue on the Sabbath because of the movement of Jews and synagogues to suburbia and outside of central cities where walking is feasible. Reform Jews and many Conservative Jews do observe this practice although they have the ultimate respect for those who do. Hope this helps. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060512014016.31606.qmail [at] web51710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: Re: ...A mans Job In-Reply-To: � Most Jews assimilate into the countries they > live. Since we are no longer legally required to wear > special clothing or Stars of David by the countries we > live in that identifies us as Jews. People do not know > who is Jewish. About this, I am less sure. There are many names that flag a Jewish origin,=20 at least, from the aristocratic Rothschilds downwards.� Just like there is no such thing as someone who looks Jewish, there is also no such thing as a Jewish last name. Take mine for example, Lazarus. I spent ten years living in the south; Christians thought I was a Christian because of the story of Lazarus in the Christian bible, Spanish speaking co-workers thought I was from Puerto Rico because Lazarus is a common last name, and people from the mid-west thought I was a member of the family that owned a chain of department stores called Lazarus. I�m sure there are plenty of French citizens who are neither Jewish or bankers whose last name is Rothschild. Last names at best may indicate country of origin not religion. I have worked with plenty of people who have Jewish sounding names and they were not Jewish. When I talk about assimilating into a culture I don�t mean anglicizing your last name. What happens is they consider themselves citizens of that country, they vote, eat the same food as most people, cheer on a soccer team, ect. If you were to ask myself some of my friends what we were the response would be Americans, in England they would be English. �If I have dealings with an orthodox Jew, I shall=20 avoid the Sabbath, out of courtesy.� Please don�t patronize me, no Orthodox or Conservative Jew is going to do business on the Sabbath. Please Frank, please, just let it go. I know from past posts you feel you have to be right. Your conceptions about Jews and Judaism are very misinformed, just stop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4463F1FC.4010303 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:25:00 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Hammers References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Mark O'Brien > writes >> Where is the compressor? > > Compressor? Wouldn't you rather have a Spit or Paslode nail gun powered > by a little cylinder of gas and a battery? As used extensively on > British construction sites. No trailing hose or compressor. > True, but those non-refillable fuel cylinders add up fast, and are often not interchangeable with others. Granted on a construction site, the economics change a bit, but in a scene shop, compressed air is already there, and the tools generally last longer. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4463F33F.1090700 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:30:23 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: new job titles... References:

In-Reply-To: Don Taco wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> A discussion, a movement, a revolution? Or is it too much like >>> herding cats? >>> >>> Steve Vanciel >>> Orlando, FL >> >> I prefer the job titles "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". >> >> Michael Sorensen > > You left out, 'Dreaded Overlord.' > > > One show I worked some years ago, one of my job titles was Power Broker. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4463F302.5030508 [at] insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:29:22 -0500 From: Dave Marks Subject: Ruler tape References:

In-Reply-To: I'm looking in all the wrong places.... I'm looking for adhesive ruler tape, hopefully 1 1/2 inch wide x 30 feet, on a roll, to mark out our deck. For some reason, my brain won't engage and remind me where I bought this the last time. Dave Marks Peoria, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:01:05 -0400 Subject: Re: new job titles... From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My Business card currently says "Photon Manipulator" At LDI I had 5 or 6 vendor/manufacturers say "Photon Manipulator..what is that?" Go figure? On 5/11/06 10:30 PM, "Dale Farmer" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Don Taco wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> A discussion, a movement, a revolution? Or is it too much like >>>> herding cats? >>>> >>>> Steve Vanciel >>>> Orlando, FL >>> >>> I prefer the job titles "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". >>> >>> Michael Sorensen >> >> You left out, 'Dreaded Overlord.' >> >> >> > One show I worked some years ago, one of my job titles was Power > Broker. > > --Dale > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Laurie Swigart" Subject: RE: Ruler tape Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:59:53 -0500 Organization: Upstage Review Theatre Company Message-ID: <002d01c67570$27f6a3e0$0301a8c0 [at] SWIGART> In-Reply-To: Try a school supply store. They sell that stuff to put on kids' desks. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dave Marks Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:29 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Ruler tape For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm looking in all the wrong places.... I'm looking for adhesive ruler tape, hopefully 1 1/2 inch wide x 30 feet, on a roll, to mark out our deck. For some reason, my brain won't engage and remind me where I bought this the last time. Dave Marks Peoria, IL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2fb.4d6874d.31955dd1 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:41:05 EDT Subject: Re: Ruler tape dave.marks writes: >I'm looking for adhesive ruler tape, I picked up a sample of such a product at LDI from the Pro Tapes and Specialties booth. Try www.protapes.com/ They have a lot of printed tape products in all sorts of colors. SteveV Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:04:08 -0500 Subject: Re: oversized Christmas Decorations From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank, Try the Becker Group. Www.beckergroup.com The Becker Group 901 Cathedral Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 Phone: 800.777.9627 Fax: 410.649.0122 Good luck on the project. Greg Persinger on 5/11/06 3:15 PM, Frank E. Merrill at Lamplighter [at] tcon.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > O wise oracles of theatre, again I beseech thee. Hear thou my humble > plea: > > A customer is beginning plans for Christmas decorations in the > shopping mall with which he is associated, and asked me today if I > might be able to provide oversized decorations of Christmas > motif...ummm...make that Winter Holiday motif...e.g. very large > snowflakes, candy canes, shiny ornaments et al. Not looking for snow > or Santa or Creches. > > If you have a suggestion, kindly let me know, please. > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com > > Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 > mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:09:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Ruler tape From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey Dave, Try Jireh Supply http://www.jirehsupply.com/ Greg Persinger on 5/11/06 9:29 PM, Dave Marks at dave.marks [at] insightbb.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm looking in all the wrong places.... > I'm looking for adhesive ruler tape, hopefully 1 1/2 inch wide x 30 > feet, on a roll, to mark out our deck. > For some reason, my brain won't engage and remind me where I bought this > the last time. > > Dave Marks > Peoria, IL > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #805 *****************************