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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #811

 1. weapons
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
 2. weapons 
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
 3. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
 4. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures...
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
 5. Quiet Color Scrollers
    by Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
 6. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 7. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 8. AutoBlock2000
    by "kosteral [at] juno.com" <kosteral [at] juno.com>
 9. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
10. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by Phil Johnson <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
11. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
12. Certification stuff
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
13. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
14. Tork Star
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
15. Shop Foreman Position at Kansas State University
    by "Dan Culhane" <d.culhane [at] secoa.com>
16. Re: Tork Star
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
17. Re: Tork Star
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
18. Re: Good mixer type
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
19. Re: Certification stuff
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
20. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
21. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures...
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
22. Re: Certification stuff
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
23. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
24. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
25. Re: Good mixer type
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
26. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
27. stopping a telemarketer
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
28. Autoblock2000
    by "David Bowman" <dmbowman [at] syr.edu>
29. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
30. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
31. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
32. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
    by Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
33. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
34. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
35. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
36. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
37. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
38. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
39. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
40. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
41. Re: Certification stuff
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
42. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
43. Hey, Paul Guncheon!
    by "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
44. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
45. Re: Good mixer type
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
46. Re: Good mixer type
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
47. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
48. Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
    by Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
49. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Steve Jones" <steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org>
50. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
51. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
52. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
53. Re: Good mixer type
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
54. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
55. Re: Good mixer type
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
56. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
57. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
58. Impressive New Tricks of Light, All Within the Laws of Physics
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
59. Richard's Fotos
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
60. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
61. Re: Reaching deep for Behind The Scenes
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
62. Re: Weapons: best practice procedures?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
63. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
64. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
65. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
66. Good mixer type
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
67. Re: Weapons: best practice?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
68. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
69. Re: Weapons: best practice procedures?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
70. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
71. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
72. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
73. Re: stopping a telemarketer
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>

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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060517042523.022e3e78 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 04:28:05 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: weapons

I think I posted this on the list a while ago. I am happy to e-mail 
off list to anyone who requests.

Jerry Gorrell
Principal
Theatre Safety Programs

From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Weapons:_=93best_practice=94_procedures...?=

Can anyone point me to a "best practice" kind of procedure for dealing
with weapons being used as props in shows.  I'm on the verge of
getting the University's zero-tolerance standard modified!

--=20
Thanks and take care, Scott



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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060517044739.0231d8b8 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 04:50:07 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: weapons 

It's not that I don't want to share, but the firearms policy document 
is a little too large and formatted to easily post as text.  It is 
the policy in effect at my former venue.

Jerry Gorrell 



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Subject: RE: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:27:44 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524750 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>

>>  Especially in the US, people know what
>>they expect to see when a gun is fired. See, not hear.

>What do they expect to see? In my 55 years, I've never watched a gun =
being=20
>fired, so I wouldn't know (except on television, of course, where all I =
see=20
>is the "blood".)

If you have a licensed Pyrotech on staff, it is easy to create a muzzle =
flash with a tiny bit of airburst powder (pyropak A/B mix) and a pizeo =
igniter.

Jason




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Subject: RE: Weapons: "best practice" procedures...
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:38:19 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524751 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>


>I blinked, here. "If using blanks". What else can you use? Live rounds? =
And,=20
>locked container does not equate to secure storage.This depends on the =
quality=20
>of the locks.

There are such things as cap guns. Also could just not be using ammo at =
all
- you might not need to fire the gun

=20
>> Another general rule is that the weapon should never be pointed at =
anyone.
>>  Period.

>It is a matter for the weaponsmaster, and the SM or TD, to ensure that =
this=20
>is not possible. Forget your somehow. There must be NOhow.

I agree, yet still stand by my statement.  If you get an improperly =
manufactured
blank, a bad weld on the barrel plug, or any number of other =
unforeseeable=20
problems with the weapon, there is a chance on something being fired =
from
the gun.  I've just always learned:=20
don't aim a gun at something unless you intend to kill it.
And I extend this rule to anything that has the potential, no matter how =

miniscule, to fire.

Jason


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:46:42 -0500
From: Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
Subject: Quiet Color Scrollers
Message-ID: <7DCF019BCED5D3363B574FEB [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-30311851 [at] prxy.net>
References:  <list-30311851 [at] prxy.net>

I'm interested in purchasing color scrollers for our theatre, but noise 
level is a major concern.  I'd heard that Wybron scrollers were the 
quietest scrollers on the market.  Can anyone confirm this claim?

I vaguely recall discussion on this topic a while back, but I can't 
seem to get the archives search function to work for me.

Thanks.

____________________________________
Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design
Department of Theatre
University of Minnesota Duluth
http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey

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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:55:20 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C68 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I have a friend that is looking for a good mixer with 16-24=20
> inputs, 4 sends (for effects or monitors) and stereo outputs.=20
>  I have been out of the HUM world too long.  Any=20
> recommendations for a average/decent mixer?

Recommendation number one...don't limit yourself to four sends.
Nothing's more frustrating than being stuck when you need just *one
more* monitor feed or something like that.

Recommendation number two...in my experience, Mackie mixers are great
only if you want a couple-thousand-dollar boat anchor, or a really big
paperweight.

Recommendation number five...since opportunities to buy big-ticket items
like mixers don't come along very often (and it's practically unheard-of
to buy a mixer one year and successfully convince the PTB two years
later that you really need to replace it cuz it's a POS), have your
friend try to get his hands on one or three possibilities before signing
on the dotted line.

Having said all that, my favorite general all-purpose FOH mixer is the
Series Two from Soundcraft.  But that's just me... :)

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:37 -0400
Message-ID: <007201c679ba$22766420$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30316984 [at] prxy.net>

 
> Recommendation number two...in my experience, Mackie mixers 
> are great only if you want a couple-thousand-dollar boat 
> anchor, or a really big paperweight.

You're being too harsh.  They're also good for holding doors open.


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From: "kosteral [at] juno.com" <kosteral [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:41 GMT
Subject: AutoBlock2000
Message-Id: <20060517.071251.2535.979462 [at] webmail27.nyc.untd.com>

Are there any users of AutoBlock2000 (a lighting plug-in for AutoCAD) on=
 the list?  =


I am trying to re-load the software on my laptop (it was removed 1-1/2 y=
ears ago when my hard drive had to be reformatted), but am running into =
an obstacle:  when I try to run the install.exe file, it says the file 1=
_2TON.dwg is encrypted and I need to type the password; when I type the =
password I have, it doesn't work!  =


As far as I have found, MSZ Design (the originator of the software) is n=
o longer active; the webpage says that, beginning in (I think) Jan 2005 =
AutoBlock will be available from a different vendor, and to watch for de=
tails.  So pretty much a dead end.

While I am pissed about the "lifetime support" drying up after only a fe=
w years, I am willing to purchase an upgrade if necessary as I really li=
ke the software.

If anyone on the list can help, either with the encryption/password issu=
e or the current availability/support, please contact me OFF LIST (I am =
a digest subscriber) at  kosteral [at] juno.com

Thank you.
Allison Koster
LD/ATD
Carleton College


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Message-Id: <5DF78644-8895-402C-BF5B-9688D512DDA5 [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:44:11 -0400

Hello,

	The Seachanger color engine is the quietest color changer on the  
market.  It's not a scroller, but a dichroic CMYK color mixer that  
fits a Source 4.  The only time you can hear it is if you are  
standing 6-8 inches away.  Other then that, nothing.  Here is the web  
page.   http://www.seachangeronline.com/


- Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA
Theaterworks, Hartford





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References: <list-30311851 [at] prxy.net> <list-30316791 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <f8fc0f8e0a49f84c8cb61cde41d55bbd [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
From: Phil Johnson <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
Subject: Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:45:51 -0500

I have 16 forerunners and you can hear the fans when we are in quiet 
moments on stage in our black box.  I can hear them on the catwalks in 
the proscenium but not from the stage.  If you want to use them in a 
large auditorium you may have enough distance from the audience to 
lessen the noise. I would compare them to the same level as the old 
kodak slide projectors or to the larger vid projectors.

Get one of your vendors to bring over some units to check them out.  
When you purchase make sure you take into account the power supply.  
One ps will power 16 heads.  Its a pain to daisy chain all the units 
from cats to on stage electrics.  We finally bought roscoe's cheap 
power supplies  (2) and can power units anywhere the dmx runs to.

Good luck.
On May 17, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Mark Harvey wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm interested in purchasing color scrollers for our theatre, but 
> noise level is a major concern.  I'd heard that Wybron scrollers were 
> the quietest scrollers on the market.  Can anyone confirm this claim?
>
> I vaguely recall discussion on this topic a while back, but I can't 
> seem to get the archives search function to work for me.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ____________________________________
> Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design
> Department of Theatre
> University of Minnesota Duluth
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey
>
Philip Johnson
Designer/Technical Director
Texas A & M -Corpus Christi


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Quiet Color Scrollers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:54:02 -0400
Message-ID: <007901c679c1$bcd0b000$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30318312 [at] prxy.net>


Actually, you can build a power supply that will power 2
Forerunner-compatible devices (Forerunners, Chroma-Q, Rainbows, Rosco =
I-Cue,
City Theatrical DMX Iris, etc.) for about $50 worth of parts.  You need =
a
24V, 45W DC power supply, a 5-pin male XLR, a 4-pin female XLR, and a =
short
(6-8") length of cable.


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:15:24 -0400
Subject: Certification stuff
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C090B64C.CE33%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30318485 [at] prxy.net>

I've got my certification hat on for a minute and wanted to pass on the
following notice that I recently received.

<<
Examination for the Entertainment Electrician will be held on October 19,
2006 in conjunction with the LDI tradeshow.  The Arena and Theatre Rigging
Examinations will be held on October 20th. Applications for these
examinations must be postmarked on or before July 1, 2006!
 
Please feel free to contact Katie Geraghty, ETCP Certification Director, for
more information at 212-244-1505 or kgeraghty [at] esta.org.
>>

Thanks
Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

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motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>



 



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Subject: RE: Quiet Color Scrollers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:28:53 -0400
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E16F [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

It's been some years since I've used the Wybron scrollers, but one of
the quietest scrollers that I personally have seen, is the Smart Color
from Apollo. =20

http://www.internetapollo.com/products/productline.aspx?pl_id=3D43

-Abby


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:47 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Quiet Color Scrollers


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I'm interested in purchasing color scrollers for our theatre, but noise=20
level is a major concern.  I'd heard that Wybron scrollers were the=20
quietest scrollers on the market.  Can anyone confirm this claim?

I vaguely recall discussion on this topic a while back, but I can't=20
seem to get the archives search function to work for me.

Thanks.

____________________________________
Mark Harvey, Associate Professor Lighting and Sound Design Department of
Theatre University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey

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Subject: Tork Star
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:36:28 -0400
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E170 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

I just had a salesman from Tork Winch (out of Canada) drop in at my
office on his way around the USA talking about his product (Tork Star
utility line set).  I have a pretty good understanding of what the
product can and cannot do as the spec sheet describes, but I was looking
for a more personal take.

www.torkent.com

Anyone out there have any opinions, experience, or knowledge about the
product or the company that they'd be willing to share with me on or off
list?=20

Thanks in advance,
Abby

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From: "Dan Culhane" <d.culhane [at] secoa.com>
Cc: jsutd [at] ksu.edu ('John S. Uthoff')
Subject: Shop Foreman Position at Kansas State University
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:07:55 -0500
Organization: SECOA, Inc.
Message-ID: <008a01c679cc$128c6d40$b60101c0 [at] SECOA81>

John Uthoff asked me to post this job opening.

Thanks, 

Dan Culhane
d.culhane [at] secoa.com 

SECOA, Inc.



Kansas State University seeks a Scene Shop Supervisor to supervise
and assist with all aspects of scenery and properties construction,
maintenance of shop equipment and inventories, and maintenance of 
two theaters plus ancillary spaces.  Primary responsibility is the 
supervision and training of undergraduate and graduate students for 
all construction, load-ins and strikes of a 5-7 production season.  
Applicant should have skills in carpentry, MIG welding, rigging, 
lighting, and sound and computer proficiency in Microsoft Word and 
Excel and a strong interest in safety.  Experience in CADD (AutoCAD 
or Vectorworks) a plus.  Should have a demonstrated commitment to 
diversity in all aspects of their work.  BA/BFA IN technical theatre 
or scenic construction or equivalent experience required, MA/MFA in 
theater design or production preferred.  Some nights and weekends.  
(9 or 12 month) contract negotiable, but prefer August 1st start date.  
Salary commensurate with experience.  Send letter and resume with 
three references to:   Scene Shop Supervisor Search Committee, 
129 Nichols Hall, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-2301.  
Screening of applications begins May 30, 2006, and continues until 
the position is filled.  Kansas State University is an equal 
opportunity employee and actively seeks diversity among its employees.


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Tork Star
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:18:48 -0400
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
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Tork Star is a relatively new player in the US theatre hoisting market.
They've had some success in Canada with lighter load applications. They =
have
shown their products at the last couple of USITT and LDI conferences and
have met with "mixed" reviews. I looked them over several times and they
seem... interesting.

The biggest concern I have heard about their winches, is that most of =
the
internal gearing components are made up of composite (read: plastic)
materials. Now these are as strong as steel in most cases, and their
engineering seems sound, but most people's "gut" reaction is, well... =
"It's
plastic. Does that really work?" Also, their drum diameters seem to =
violate
the sacred 30:1 D/d ratio for 1/4" cables, but they claim to have
engineering calc's that say it's OK. I remain skeptical...

I have yet to personally see any installations here in the US, and until =
I
get feedback from the field, I'm unlikely to specify these. However, =
they
seem to be OK for non-overhead, light load applications (i.e. acoustic
banners), and one would hope that as a manufacturer, they are doing =
their
homework.

No much, but hope it's of use to you.

Peter Scheu
=20
Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Subject: RE: Tork Star
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:34:56 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524753 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com

I haven't seen any myself, but I know that RMTS in Victoria BC has used =
one to store their piano under the fly floor on a custom built platform.
more info is at: www.torkent.com/pianogarage.html=20

Jason


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <412.204e924.319cb9c6 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:39:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Good mixer type

In a message dated 17/05/06 14:56:04 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> Recommendation number one...don't limit yourself to four sends.
>  Nothing's more frustrating than being stuck when you need just *one
>  more* monitor feed or something like that.

I certainly endorse that, whatever it is for. When I did the sound for Ariel 
Dorfman's play "Death and the Maiden", I had one surround feed, four stereo 
feeds, and two mono feeds. That makes 14 speakers, all with different feeds, 
just to provide the effects for a play. I have a weakness for realism.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <EJSUwmDLC2aEFwaa [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:42:35 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Certification stuff
References: <list-30318485 [at] prxy.net> <list-30318958 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30318958 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30318958 [at] prxy.net>, Bill Sapsis 
<bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> writes
>Examination for the Entertainment Electrician will be held on October 
>19, 2006 in conjunction with the LDI tradeshow.  The Arena and Theatre 
>Rigging Examinations will be held on October 20th. Applications for 
>these examinations must be postmarked on or before July 1, 2006!

Any chance of seeing a sample paper once the exam is past for reference?

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <ia$tkNC++1aEFwuP [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:39:10 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
References: <list-30316398 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30316398 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30316398 [at] prxy.net>, "Salvatori, Jason" 
<Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca> writes
>If you have a licensed Pyrotech on staff, it is easy to create a muzzle 
>flash with a tiny bit of airburst powder (pyropak A/B mix) and a pizeo 
>igniter.

I wouldn't have thought that a piezo igniter would have the guts to 
trigger a pyro effect.  Buy then I'm open to all ideas.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Weapons: "best practice" procedures...
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:54:34 -0600
Message-ID: <013601c679da$f51540c0$c083c447 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-30299893 [at] prxy.net>

Hang in there Frank. I am listening. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:46 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures...

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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In a message dated 17/05/06 00:25:26 GMT Daylight Time, 
steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org writes:

> Why would I want to listen to anything so silly as information on Canadian
>  firearm safety requirements from the gentleman with experience who is IN
>  Canada, when I can listen to Frank pontificate from the UK?

Your choice.

Frank Wood


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:22:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Certification stuff
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C090E237.CE50%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30322549 [at] prxy.net>

This is an ongoing test.  At some point in 2007 the Electrical Exam will be
available as a computer based test. So no sample papers will be available.

Thanks
Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 5/17/06 1:42 PM, "Clive Mitchell" <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In message <list-30318958 [at] prxy.net>, Bill Sapsis
> <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> writes
>> Examination for the Entertainment Electrician will be held on October
>> 19, 2006 in conjunction with the LDI tradeshow.  The Arena and Theatre
>> Rigging Examinations will be held on October 20th. Applications for
>> these examinations must be postmarked on or before July 1, 2006!
> 
> Any chance of seeing a sample paper once the exam is past for reference?



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Subject: RE: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:46:01 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524754 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>

>I wouldn't have thought that a piezo igniter would have the guts to=20
>trigger a pyro effect.  Buy then I'm open to all ideas.

It works if the piezo has a direct spark across the powder (not using it =
to trigger an E-match)
It also takes a decent quality Piezo igniter.

If that's not working for you, you can also bury a small E-match with =
leads to a 9v battery in the stock/handle.
Again, not sure anywhere else, but in Canada both these systems require =
a 2 button/trigger ignition system.

Jason


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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:50:57 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C26A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Man, sound guys are snobs!  Mackie's SR series consoles are inexpensive, =
feature-rich and relatively solid.  Are they as good as a Yamaha, Midas, =
etc.?  No.  Are they "serious" mixers? Maybe not.  But some gigs need a =
Cadillac, and others do fine with a Chevy; and *for the money*, nobody =
competes with Mackie.  I think Mackie gear is aimed at the low-end =
professional, or in some cases high-end consumer, market.  Nobody =
expects you to mix Aerosmith on one.

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

-----Original Message-----

=20
> Recommendation number two...in my experience, Mackie mixers=20
> are great only if you want a couple-thousand-dollar boat=20
> anchor, or a really big paperweight.

>>You're being too harsh.  They're also good for holding doors open.


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:59:05 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Good mixer type
In-reply-to: <list-30324612 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517115753.01f6c0d8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30324612 [at] prxy.net>

At 11:50 AM 5/17/2006, Storms, Randy wrote:
>Man, sound guys are snobs!  Mackie's SR series consoles are 
>inexpensive, feature-rich and relatively solid.  Are they as good as 
>a Yamaha, Midas, etc.?  No.  Are they "serious" mixers? Maybe 
>not.  But some gigs need a Cadillac, and others do fine with a 
>Chevy; and *for the money*, nobody competes with Mackie.  I think 
>Mackie gear is aimed at the low-end professional, or in some cases 
>high-end consumer, market.  Nobody expects you to mix Aerosmith on one.

For what it's worth, I've been happy with the small Mackie we 
have.  It's getting pretty old, but also doesn't get a lot of 
use.  For our needs, it's been perfect.




-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:01:44 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C6B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Man, sound guys are snobs!  Mackie's SR series consoles are=20
> inexpensive, feature-rich and relatively solid.  Are they as=20
> good as a Yamaha, Midas, etc.?  No.  Are they "serious"=20
> mixers? Maybe not.  But some gigs need a Cadillac, and others=20
> do fine with a Chevy; and *for the money*, nobody competes=20
> with Mackie.  I think Mackie gear is aimed at the low-end=20
> professional, or in some cases high-end consumer, market. =20
> Nobody expects you to mix Aerosmith on one.

...You deflate your whole argument with those last two lines.  Most of
us on this list who have strong opinions of Mackies aren't "high-end
consumers".  We're professionals.  We're not even low-end professionals
(at least as far as integrity and ability go), we aim for the ceiling.
We don't (for example) like audible crosstalk between channels, and do
like intuitive setups and solid reliability.

If one *needs* a mixer with XYZ and can't get more for the budget than
what'd buy a Mackie, then get the Mackie--with the understanding you'll
be replacing it in five years.

But I'll shoot myself in the foot before I ever spec a Mackie as a first
(or even second) choice.  And here, I'm not recommending them.

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:04:10 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: stopping a telemarketer
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517115921.01f6f3b0 [at] interstellar.com>

I just received a call of the typical "Would you like to subscribe to 
___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next month's 
issue of that magazine.  She didn't know where to go from there, not 
in her script.  She thanked me for my time and hung up.  :)

I normally stop them with saying I get all my magazines for free, is 
___ free?

Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing stories of 
chasing off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Message-Id: <s46b3ca6.004 [at] gwia202.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:09:17 -0400
From: "David Bowman" <dmbowman [at] syr.edu>
Cc: kosteral [at] juno.com
Subject: Autoblock2000

Hi Allison,
=20
The question is if you are trying to install from the original disk or one =
of the later upgrade(s).  Somewhere around version 12 or 13, we needed to =
purchase an upgrade and received a new password for the product.
=20
Mike Zinman (who wrote it) has sold the property to Warren Ruffus of =
Design and Drafting (they also do LD Assistant for AutoCAD).  If you go to =
their website www.autoblock2000.com they had a deal for previous users to =
upgrade......  You could also call them at 708-499-0046
=20
HTH....
=20
dave B.
=20
=20

David M. Bowman
Syracuse Stage / SU Drama
Master Electrician / Adj. Professor
dmbowman [at] syr.edu


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:09:29 -0400
Message-ID: <00c701c679e5$6cfefe00$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30324612 [at] prxy.net>


 =20
> Nobody expects you to mix Aerosmith on one.

Well, I'm not a sound guy, but I am a mixer snob.  I'm also a music =
snob, so
I wouldn't mind if someone mixed Aerosmith on a Mackie; the inherent =
noise
in the mixer would become irrelevant, then.


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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:09:39 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524755 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>


>If one *needs* a mixer with XYZ and can't get more for the budget than
>what'd buy a Mackie, then get the Mackie--with the understanding you'll
>be replacing it in five years.

Back to the original question, my theatre just got a new mixer to=20
replace a 7 year old Mackie (24.8).  The way I sold council on it was
Buy another Mackie for $x, and then get a new one in another 5 years,
OR but a real board for twice the price, give better service to our=20
clients, and not replace it for AT LEAST 15 years.  Worked for me:
I'm currently sitting in from of our new 32ch SeriesTWO...

Jason


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:09:13 -0400
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C090ED19.C21E%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>

I simply remind them that I am on a no-call
list.  When they insist on continuing, I
blow on the police whistle that hangs next
to the phone.  Don't get many calls these
days.

Steve

> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:04:10 -0700
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: stopping a telemarketer
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I just received a call of the typical "Would you like to subscribe to
> ___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next month's
> issue of that magazine.  She didn't know where to go from there, not
> in her script.  She thanked me for my time and hung up.  :)
> 
> I normally stop them with saying I get all my magazines for free, is
> ___ free?
> 
> Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing stories of
> chasing off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand
> 
> 


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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060517150601.02c63680 [at] mail.comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:10:57 -0400
From: Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures   ...
Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net
In-Reply-To: <list-30303452 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30298397 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30298517 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30303452 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:34 PM 5/16/2006, Dale wrote:
>         Kate; if you would like to try firing some guns, I'm in the 
> Boston area and would be pleased to show you how to turn money into loud 
> noises and holes in paper targets.

That sounds fun. I haven't avoided guns out of any philosophical position 
... it's just never come up. Seems odd, actually, but there you are. So yes 
-- if I'm in or near Boston before we're both too old to care, I'd love to 
take you up on that and have a lesson at a firing range. Can you make me 
look like Olivia Benson on "Law and Order SVU"?
-Kate 



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: stopping a telemarketer
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:21 -0400
Message-ID: <00c801c679e6$f0e6bbd0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30325118 [at] prxy.net>


I always try to keep in mind the fact that the poor shlump's just trying to
make a living, so I say, "I know you're told to not hang up until you've
heard the word, 'no,' at least 3 times, so, 'No, no, no.'"


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Message-ID: <90d9c9980605171220q1a05200fm49ac00898e2a586e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:34 -0400
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-Reply-To: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>

Survey takers hate it when I say I work for the TV News. Political
callers might get this: "If you tell me who you are calling on behalf
of, I'll vote for the other guy." OR "The first opponent you bad mouth
will get my vote..."



On 5/17/06, Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I just received a call of the typical "Would you like to subscribe to
> ___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next month's
> issue of that magazine.
--=20
Thanks and take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:26:52 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C26B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Nice board.  Fifteen years is a bit of a stretch, though.  I wonder how =
many people on the list are currently using consoles (made by *any* =
manufacturer) that were built in 1991?=20
Not many, I'd guess - and of those, how many wish they weren't...

--Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

>OR buy a real board for twice the price, give better service to our=20
>clients, and not replace it for AT LEAST 15 years.  Worked for me:
>I'm currently sitting in from of our new 32ch SeriesTWO...



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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:35:28 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524757 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>



>Nice board.  Fifteen years is a bit of a stretch, though.  I wonder how =
many people on the list are currently using consoles >(made by *any* =
manufacturer) that were built in 1991?=20
>Not many, I'd guess - and of those, how many wish they weren't...

I guess I should qualify it with the fact that we're a=20
permanent install in a venue, not a touring board.  With=20
regular maintenance it's not too unreasonable to see 15
to 20 years out of a console.
Back in University we had an 18 year old Crest that I believe
is still working fairly well (down by 1 matrix) today (another
6 years later)

Jason=20


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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:49:22 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C26C [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>


>...You deflate your whole argument with those last two lines.  Most of
>us on this list who have strong opinions of Mackies aren't "high-end
>consumers".  We're professionals.  We're not even low-end professionals
>(at least as far as integrity and ability go), we aim for the ceiling.

I don't think that's really true - while there are many professionals on =
the list, I think there are probably just as many if not more listers =
who work in community theatre, education, etc.  It's that cross-section =
of experience that makes this list so interesting.

Also, not every professional needs a fleet of trucks to lug his gear =
around.  I'll bet there are several guys here who earn 100% of their =
income from small sound companies, doing small events, with small rigs.  =
Mackie makes their products with these people in mind.

>We don't (for example) like audible crosstalk between channels, and do
>like intuitive setups and solid reliability.

Crosstalk is admittedly a problem with some Mackie models, notably the =
VLZ series.  I find Mackie products extremely intuitive, and have rarely =
had problems with their reliability. (the exception to this is my =
current board, a SR40.8 - this model, now discontinued, was apparently =
too big a bite for the Mackie engineers).

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu


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Message-ID: <446B800F.60904 [at] peak.org>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:57:03 -0700
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
References: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Durand wrote:

  > I just received a call of the typical "Would you like to subscribe to
> ___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next month's issue 
> of that magazine.  She didn't know where to go from there, not in her 
> script.  She thanked me for my time and hung up.  :)
> 
> I normally stop them with saying I get all my magazines for free, is ___ 
> free?
> 
> Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing stories of chasing 
> off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)

Some years ago, when it was true, I discovered that saying "No, thanks, 
I'm unemployed" would make telemarketers drop me like a hot potato and 
take me off their calling lists, too. So I continued using that line 
long after I'd found gainful employment ... until the day I got a call, 
gave my stock response ... and there was a pause.

Then the young lady calling said, "I'm sorry, I hope you find a better 
job than I did."

I still don't talk to telemarketers (these days I just tell them I'm on 
the federal and state no-call lists, which I am) ... but I don't hassle 
them, either. 'Cause, you know, that job has to suck.

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org


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Subject: RE: stopping a telemarketer
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:57:53 -0400
Message-ID: <F9E613F2DD66A645B6BD1423FA0EEC321B8D4B [at] exchangeb3.ad.fredonia.edu>
From: <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>

Depending on the state in which you reside, no-call lists may or may not
be effective depending on whether or  not you have any kind of
relationship with the caller's employer.  We are on the New York no-call
list and have been since its inception.  However, because my wife and I
contribute to political candidates, we will periodically get
solicitations for other candidates of the same party.  They are told
politely but firmly that we never respond positively to telephone
solicitations. Then I hang up.  The TMs are just trying to make a living
like everyone else.
HTH
Steve =20

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Larson
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:09 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I simply remind them that I am on a no-call list.  When they insist on
continuing, I blow on the police whistle that hangs next to the phone.
Don't get many calls these days.

Steve

> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:04:10 -0700
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: stopping a telemarketer
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> I just received a call of the typical "Would you like to subscribe to=20
> ___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next month's issue

> of that magazine.  She didn't know where to go from there, not in her=20
> script.  She thanked me for my time and hung up.  :)
>=20
> I normally stop them with saying I get all my magazines for free, is=20
> ___ free?
>=20
> Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing stories of=20
> chasing off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)
>=20
> --
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand
>=20
>=20


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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV68D281BF412478432D239BDA10 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-30325828 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:31:55 -0700

Ok here is a question, how much does a yamaha pm 3k/4k or crest what ever 
number they are this week or a soundcraft, consol with all the needed out 
board equipment cost? verses a digital cost?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>

I guess I should qualify it with the fact that we're a
permanent install in a venue, not a touring board.  With
regular maintenance it's not too unreasonable to see 15
to 20 years out of a console.
Back in University we had an 18 year old Crest that I believe
is still working fairly well (down by 1 matrix) today (another
6 years later)

Jason


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From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-30318485 [at] prxy.net> <list-30318958 [at] prxy.net> <list-30322549 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Certification stuff
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:19:00 -0700

Clive, with the first 2 questions on the sample exam being engineering 
wrong, the screen shot being wrong too in professional theatres. I wouldn't 
hold my breath on this exam. You being industrial electrician like me in one 
of my careers would drive you up the wall like it did me (esta.org).

I have all the qualifications to pass Entertainment Electrician, Arena and 
Theatre Rigging exams, wasn't going Orlando.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clive Mitchell" <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>

> Any chance of seeing a sample paper once the exam is past for reference?
>
> -- 
> Clive Mitchell
> http://www.bigclive.com
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
In-reply-to: <list-30316791 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <2264.172.163.151.19.1147901001.squirrel [at] webmail.ithaca.edu>
References: <list-30311851 [at] prxy.net> <list-30316791 [at] prxy.net>

> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm interested in purchasing color scrollers for our theatre, but noise
> level is a major concern.  I'd heard that Wybron scrollers were the
> quietest scrollers on the market.  Can anyone confirm this claim?


I'm sure the sound theorists will chime in to say how quiet is a relative
term, but here's my take.

It depends on your venue. We've had great success with the ColoRam II line
in both our proscenium and arena theatres.  However, the Forerunners were
distractingly loud in the arena theatre.  The fans are d*mn near silent,
but the sound of the gel moving was ugly.  We reloaded/rewound the gel
strings to see if we could align them better, but no luck.

Also, looking towards the future, see which scroller line (and power
supply) is most likely to help you grow.  Forerunners are only compatible
with themselves, but the ColoRam power supplies can also power the
GoboRam, CXI, and dowser line from Wybron.  Makes mixing and matching a
little easier.

Steve L.


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Message-ID: <13724940.1147901293421.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:28:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Hey, Paul Guncheon!

Happy Birthday! 

See? We remembered!

(...said Fred, trying to think of a good Tom Swiftie.)

--
"Big Fred" Schoening
Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
Dallas, Texas, USA

"...a root word of technology, techne, originally 
meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated 
art from manufacture in their minds, and so never 
developed separate words for them."
- Robert M. Pirsig, _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Quiet Color Scrollers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:30:23 -0400
Message-ID: <00e301c679f9$1b755610$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30328107 [at] prxy.net>



> Forerunners are 
> only compatible with themselves, but the ColoRam power 
> supplies can also power the GoboRam, CXI, and dowser line 
> from Wybron.

On the other hand, Forerunner-compatible power supplies can power
Forerunners, Appolo Smart Color, Rainbow, Chroma-Q, Rosco I-Cue, Various
City Theatrical gear....


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Subject: RE: Good mixer type
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:30:42 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524759 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>

It would depend on how much out-board gear you need. To
replicate the amount in even a DM2000 is around 3 full 12-space=20
racks of gates, comps and FX/rev.

I don't know current prices for a digital console, but our=20
Soundcraft SeriesTWO was about $8500 CAD, and about $180 per
2ch comp. A decent FX processor runs close to $1K So doing some=20
quick math, for a 24ch board you'd be looking at about $36K. =20
However, no one actually buys 1 comp and 1 FX per channel.

I find the biggest trade off for us is ease of use. We have
students from local high schools run some of their own shows
and teaching them to set up a digital for a single night show
just isn't feasible.  I think they are great boards and wish
I had the time and resources to put one in here, but they just
aren't practical in SOME situations. If you have the $$$ and
the dedicated sound engineer, go for it!

Jason

>Ok here is a question, how much does a yamaha pm 3k/4k or crest what =
ever=20
>number they are this week or a soundcraft, consol with all the needed =
out=20
>board equipment cost? verses a digital cost?


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Good mixer type
In-reply-to: <list-30325828 [at] prxy.net>
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> ---------------------------------------------------

>>Nice board.  Fifteen years is a bit of a stretch, though.  I wonder how
>> many people on the list are currently using consoles >(made by *any*
>> manufacturer) that were built in 1991?

I drink scotch older than that....

Steve L.


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:32:21 GMT
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
Message-Id: <20060517.143239.16359.327827 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com>

If telemarketing was not so cost-effective, even after paying the fines =
for calling persons on the 'Do not call list', plus overhead and salarie=
s, nobody would telemarket. The proof is in the pudding, and since many =
Theatres practice the same telemarketing tactics, let's not be the pot c=
alling the kettle black...
/s/ Richard
_______________________________
I always try to keep in mind the fact that the poor shlump's just trying=
 to make a living...


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:45:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Quiet Color Scrollers
From: Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
Message-ID: <C091038F.ADCA%greg [at] vividillumination.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30318273 [at] prxy.net>

I agree with Mike.

I found the Sea Changer to be silent and it has very nice mixing for a CMY
unit. Part of this is due to the extreme green wheel it has in it that
really helps when mixing pastel colors. The other part is a much better
dichroic wheel design then other manufacturers.

The color is very smooth and the whole unit is built very well. It is very
high quality. Give Tom Morris at Ocean Optics a call if you are interested
in demoing the unit. His number is 727-545-4763.

Yet sometimes you need a scroller to match your favorite Gel colors. If this
is the case I find the Chroma Q, Wybron, and Apollo units to all be at about
the same noise level.

Greg Persinger


on 5/17/06 9:44 AM, Michael de Almeida at humhead [at] comcast.net wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The Seachanger color engine is the quietest color changer on the
> market.  It's not a scroller, but a dichroic CMYK color mixer that
> fits a Source 4.  The only time you can hear it is if you are
> standing 6-8 inches away.  Other then that, nothing.  Here is the web
> page.   http://www.seachangeronline.com/
> 
> 
> - Mike de Almeida
> ATD/ME/MA
> Theaterworks, Hartford
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message-Id: <200605172150.k4HLogxg017053 [at] ns-omrbm6.netsolmail.com>
From: "Steve Jones" <steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org>
Subject: RE: stopping a telemarketer
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:50:19 -0500
Organization: Plaza Theatre
In-Reply-To: <list-30328324 [at] prxy.net>

I have a simple trick.  Once I realize it's a telemarketer call, I say,
"Hang on just a second, please" and I set the phone down and go back to
whatever I'm doing.   I eventually come back to hang up the phone after they
got tired of waiting and ended the call.  If they want to waste my time,
I'll waste theirs as well.

Steve


*************************************
Steve Jones, Director
Plaza Theatre
115 E. Main Street
Glasgow, KY  42141
Voice: (270) 361-2101
Fax: (270) 834-8147
http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org


1964 - The Tribute
Friday, May 12, 2006, 7:00 PM



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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060517180647.02c66630 [at] mail.comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:14:28 -0400
From: Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-Reply-To: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>

At 03:04 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote:
>Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing stories of chasing 
>off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)

I just say "I am not interested. I'm going to hang up now. Goodbye" and I 
hang up. Doesn't matter if they are still speaking: I just hang up quietly 
(not banging the phone down) after I deliver my line.

Many telemarketers are paid a few cents per call placed plus a commission 
if they make a sale, so the faster you hang up the sooner they can get 
their nickle and move on. I don't give them a hard time -- for some people, 
it's the only work they can do, and as jobs go it's a lousy one. Been there. 



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <446.c76bc7.319cfb3d [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:18:37 EDT
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer

In a message dated 17/05/06 20:13:59 GMT Daylight Time, 
tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes:

> I simply remind them that I am on a no-call
>  list.  When they insist on continuing, I
>  blow on the police whistle that hangs next
>  to the phone.  Don't get many calls these
>  days.

I usually say: "You have ten seconds to convince me not to hang up". Then I 
start counting, aloud.

Few survive, except for one cheeky guy who rang back and asked for another 
ten seconds! He didn't get them.

Frank Wood

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:12 -0700
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-reply-to: <list-30328643 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <446BA19C.2000902 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
References: <list-30328643 [at] prxy.net>

Not sure where this came from, but it's priceless...
Carla

  Subject: How To Handle A Telemarketer

 The phone rang as I was setting down to my anticipated evening meal, 
and as I answered it I was greeted with " is this William Wagenhoss" not 
sounding anything like my name, so I said who is calling?

 The telemarketer said he was with The Rubber Band Powered Freezer 
Company, or something like that, and then I asked him if he knew William 
personally and why was he calling this number.

I then said off to the side, "get really good pictures of the body and 
all the blood" then turned back to the phone and advised the caller that 
he had entered a murder scene and must stay on the line because we had 
already traced this call and he would be receiving a summons to appear 
in the local courthouse to testify in this murder case.

I then questioned the caller at great length as to his name, address, 
phone number at home, at work, who he worked for, how he knew the dead 
guy and could he prove where he had been about one hour before he made 
this call.  The telemarketer was getting very concerned and his answers 
were given in a shakey voice.

I then told him we had located his position at his work place and the 
police were entering the building to take him into custody.  At that 
point I heard the phone fall and the scurrying of his running away.

My wife asked me as I returned to our table why I had tears streaming 
down my face and so help me, I couldn't tell her for about fifteen minutes.

 My meal was cold, but after what I had pulled, very enjoyable.





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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <479.8667bf.319cfd77 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:28:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Good mixer type

In a message dated 17/05/06 20:28:37 GMT Daylight Time, 
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

> Nice board.  Fifteen years is a bit of a stretch, though.  I wonder how 
many 
> people on the list are currently using consoles (made by *any* 
manufacturer) 
> that were built in 1991? 
>  Not many, I'd guess - and of those, how many wish they weren't...

We did. It was designed and built by us. Two good electronic engineers with 
relevant experience. It did what was needed, rather better than our current 
console, and lasted well.

Sound design requirements expanded, and it just wasn't big enough. But its 
successor is nowhere near as versatile.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <449.ccc5a7.319cff9c [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:37:16 EDT
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer

In a message dated 17/05/06 22:34:05 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com 
writes:

> If telemarketing was not so cost-effective, even after paying the fines for 
> calling persons on the 'Do not call list', plus overhead and salaries, 
nobody 
> would telemarket. The proof is in the pudding, and since many Theatres 
> practice the same telemarketing tactics, let's not be the pot calling the 
> kettle black...

Just an idea. Put the 'phone down, but don't hang up.This leaves them wasting 
their call costs.


Frank Wood

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:45:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Good mixer type
In-Reply-To: <list-30325582 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605172343370.12338 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-30325582 [at] prxy.net>

On Wed, 17 May 2006, Storms, Randy wrote:

> Nice board.  Fifteen years is a bit of a stretch, though.  I wonder how many people on the list are currently using consoles (made by *any* manufacturer) that were built in 1991?
> Not many, I'd guess - and of those, how many wish they weren't...

We get contacted fairly frequently by people who find mixing boards we made in 
the 70s on eBay that are advertised as being in pristine condition.  We still 
support them and have parts for them though they are rarely needed...  That's 
what happens when you build things well...

Of course these days, digital means much more rapid obsolescence.

Charlie

| Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond |
| http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" |
| AudioBox List:     http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html |

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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060517184437.045779a0 [at] mail.comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:51:50 -0400
From: Kate Daly <kdaly973 [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-Reply-To: <list-30329465 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30329465 [at] prxy.net>


>Just an idea. Put the 'phone down, but don't hang up.This leaves them wasting
>their call costs.

The principal entity penalized in this scenario may be the caller, who 
might be calling from home using her own resources. In that case, the 
company's overhead is nil -- all they pay is the per-call rate plus 
commissions on sales.

As I said in an earlier message, there are people for whom this is their 
only source of income -- hopefully, for them, that situation is 
temporary.  I'm not saying that all telemarketers are hard-luck cases who 
deserve some empathy, but many are. Making deafening noises into the phone, 
or being abusive, or playing pranks on them, isn't going to teach the 
telemarketing companies any lessons; but it is going to make someone's life 
miserable -- and that may be someone who's already been pretty well beaten 
up by life. Give 'em a break -- just hang up.
YMMV.
-Kate 



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: stopping a telemarketer
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:54:10 -0400
Message-ID: <00e901c67a04$cfc04520$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-30329171 [at] prxy.net>


> Not sure where this came from, but it's priceless...
> Carla

Several years ago, a guy released a CD of several such conversations he =
had
with telemarketers.  The one on which the story you quoted was based was =
his
response to a TM from a carpet and drapery cleaning outfit: "I'm glad =
you
called.  Can you get blood out of curtains?"  They actually called the =
cops
on him.

Another call ended with an explosion and him saying, "Ooops...I really =
need
to go now."

He was interviewed on NPR and told the story of how he had to get =
releases
from all the people whose voices were on the recordings.  He =
unsuccessfully
called one guy several times at work until finally the guy's boss said,
"Look, you keep calling here asking for _____ and it's getting very
annoying!"


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517161855.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:18:55
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Impressive New Tricks of Light, All Within the Laws of Physics

>He says "Nifty" I say "TIMESAVER"

It'll prolly get rid of all that time sittin' behind the console, tapping
your fingers, waiting while those photons meander their way to the stage.
Try the decaf, Herrick. ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517162106.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:21:06
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Richard's Fotos

>the Sound Design winner.

What an odd turn of phrase!  I don't think I've ever heard those words used
in that order before...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <10357654.1147908343008.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:25:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer

Here's a little trick I like to use: I don't use my land line at all - at least, not for calls. I only use it for the DSL. With cell phone rates getting cheaper all the time, I do all my talking on that.

However, I'm paranoid enough that I don't want to just ignore my land line completely, so I have an answering machine hooked up to it with the ringer off and the volume turned all the way down. It's digital, so I don't even hear the click and whirr of a cassette tape. Only very seldom do I get messages on it, and it only takes me a second per to delete them. 

Oh, and since I read once that telemarketers sometimes only get breaks when they happen upon answering machines, I left a nice looooonnnnggggg greeting on it.  ;)

--
"Big Fred" Schoening
Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
Dallas, Texas, USA

"...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them."
-- Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517163401.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:34:01
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Reaching deep for Behind The Scenes

>So, if you thought you might 
>like to make a ride like the Long Reach Long Riders are making--but you 
>didn't have a bike, then you no longer have an excuse!

Well, speaking of, thanks to all of you who invited me on the ride.  Sad
news, though.  I will not be able to cut a hole in my schedule to make the
ride, and even if I could, I am without scoot for the first time in 38
years, without a replacement on the horizon.  I just couldn't see that
magnificent beast spending another week as a porch queen, and I was either
taking kit or dogs in the truck, or riding the bicycle.  I noticed that I'd
put less than a grand on the odometer betwixt registrations, and sent her
off to live with a very fine archeologist that resides in the Grand Canyon.  
Really! His address on his license was:  Grand Canyon, AZ.  
She'll have a blast running around the dirt trails and climbing rocks and
trees and stuff. It *is* what she was born to do, after all.  It's the
passing of an era.  Lessee, the hair is gone, the motorcycle is gone.  Do I
need a red sports car and a 21 yo girlfriend?
I put down a percentage of the sale on the Behind the Scenes, though, and
I'd encourage all of you to drop your bit.  Especially those that down'
ahve a job with a great bennies package!
Loren, I'll be hanging out wioth a coupla hands for La Jolla Playhouse Mon.
eve.  Drop me a note off-list if your going to be handy for a frosty one.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517164415.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:44:15
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Weapons: best practice procedures?

>As a stage manager, I hate it when the director "has" 
>to have foils or epees on stage. There's almost no way to neutralize them, 
>and the temptation to play with them in the greenroom seems to be more than 
>most actors can overcome.

I've been fighting with rapiers (yup, real rapiers) for four years now.
I've been fighting with swords for almost fifteen.  The only time I injured
anyone was whapping a buddy in the ear.  I had been injured (not related to
fencing) and was taking some kind of pain-killers, and the director didn't
want me to miss any stage combat practice.  Even in my state I knew it was
a bad idea, but in my state I didn't have teh wherewithall to insist that I
shouldn't participate.
Check the blade weapons out when they are to be used to practice, learn, or
in teh actual show, and have the actors return them as soon as they are
done with them.  Tolerate no horseplay. One time, and you've lost all the
little boys, regardless of gender.  Provide boppers for individual
practice.  These can be anything from the big poofy commercially sold toys
to a cardboard wrapping paper tube.  This will instill in them that they
can play and practice, just not with the weapons.
As far as stage weapons go, anything that can fire anything is a bad idea.
There are pro's that do this for a living, and other pro's that'll train
your people to work with starter/blank weapons.  The bang from off-stage
with a big piece of lumber is a good substitute, and you don't really need
the audience to think that another actor was realy shot.  If one guy points
a gun, and there is a bang, and the other actor spills a squib or pulls a
red hanky out of his shirt, they get what you're trying to tell them.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:37:22 -0400
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0912BF2.C24A%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net>

A friend of mine actually convinced a telemarketer
to give him their 800 number, telling  them he was
busy, but interested in the product.  He promised
to call them back.  Oh, did he.  He retaliated with
a computer program that he wrote that would dial
the 800 number repeatedly.  After 28 hours, the
800 number was deactivated.  How much per call
to the 800 number from the marketing company's point
of view?  Say one call per 45 seconds.

Steve

> From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:25:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Here's a little trick I like to use: I don't use my land line at all - at
> least, not for calls. I only use it for the DSL. With cell phone rates getting
> cheaper all the time, I do all my talking on that.
> 
> However, I'm paranoid enough that I don't want to just ignore my land line
> completely, so I have an answering machine hooked up to it with the ringer off
> and the volume turned all the way down. It's digital, so I don't even hear the
> click and whirr of a cassette tape. Only very seldom do I get messages on it,
> and it only takes me a second per to delete them.
> 
> Oh, and since I read once that telemarketers sometimes only get breaks when
> they happen upon answering machines, I left a nice looooonnnnggggg greeting on
> it.  ;)
> 
> --
> "Big Fred" Schoening
> Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
> Dallas, Texas, USA
> 
> "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient
> Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never
> developed separate words for them."
> -- Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
> 


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Message-ID: <004b01c67a0b$39524640$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net> <list-30326332 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:40:04 -0600

Doing 99% of my phone work with cell phone, I use my land
line to order pizza and outgoing / incoming fax.  The land
line number is published as a residential number.   I get
about six calls a day on that line. I humour myself to think
after the first ring,  it picks up and squeals in their ear.

Rob't

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kight" <kightp [at] peak.org>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Jerry Durand wrote:
>
>   > I just received a call of the typical "Would you like
to subscribe to
> > ___ Magazine?"  I said I was writing an article for next
month's issue
> > of that magazine.  She didn't know where to go from
there, not in her
> > script.  She thanked me for my time and hung up.  :)
> >
> > I normally stop them with saying I get all my magazines
for free, is ___
> > free?
> >
> > Anyone else have good ways to confuse them?  Amusing
stories of chasing
> > off door-to-door sales people with props or SPFX?  :)
>
> Some years ago, when it was true, I discovered that saying
"No, thanks,
> I'm unemployed" would make telemarketers drop me like a
hot potato and
> take me off their calling lists, too. So I continued using
that line
> long after I'd found gainful employment ... until the day
I got a call,
> gave my stock response ... and there was a pause.
>
> Then the young lady calling said, "I'm sorry, I hope you
find a better
> job than I did."
>
> I still don't talk to telemarketers (these days I just
tell them I'm on
> the federal and state no-call lists, which I am) ... but I
don't hassle
> them, either. 'Cause, you know, that job has to suck.
>
> -- 
> Pat Kight
> kightp [at] peak.org
>


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:42:36 -0400
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C0912D2B.10EC6%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30324928 [at] prxy.net>

    Years ago when my kids were small, my favourite way of dealing with a
telemarketer was to say: "Hold on a second" then call out "It's for you" as
I handed the phone to my chatty three year old.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517164934.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:49:34
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Good mixer type

>I have a friend that is looking for a good mixer with 16-24 inputs, 4 sends
>(for effects or monitors) and stereo outputs.

'Skinda like asking for advice on a four cylinder car for your friend.  He
wants good mileage, and four doors with automatic windows.  What kind of
driving?  Is he hauling stuff?  What kind of budget?  Bucket seats or
bench?  (Can you still get bench seats?)

I've been pretty satisfies with the Midas Venice.  A bit bigger than his
request, but that might make it his last upgrade for a while.  Behringer is
right out, and Mackie's are being manufactured (rumour has it) in China
now.  I'm not sure what that means yet, but it could be bad.  I'm no-one's
beta tester.  The new Allen & Heath aren't too bad either.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517165433.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:54:33
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Weapons: best practice?

>Yes, swords shoule be surrendered to the SM when the actor comes off stage. 
>But I cannot agree with you on firearms. Especially in the US, people know
what 
>they expect to see when a gun is fired. See, not hear.

Yabut, Frank, we show them quite a few things that aren't as they would
expect to see them if they were not in a theatre.  I've done a very
convincing moonrise in a ball room, but I'm pretty sure that everyone in
the place kinda new it was a gag...  Actors can go a long way to show that
a shot has been fired and someone got hurt.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <n3u8$9M4X7aEFwsq [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:47:04 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
References: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net>, "Fred Schoening, Jr." 
<bigfred [at] mindspring.com> writes
>However, I'm paranoid enough that I don't want to just ignore my land 
>line completely, so I have an answering machine hooked up to it with 
>the ringer off and the volume turned all the way down. It's digital, so 
>I don't even hear the click and whirr of a cassette tape. Only very 
>seldom do I get messages on it, and it only takes me a second per to 
>delete them.

Not sure if it still works, but it used to be possible to record the 
three tones that indicate an invalid number at the start of your 
message.  Automated dialling equipment detected the tones and removed 
the number from it's database.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060517170342.00d41f78 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:03:42
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Weapons: best practice procedures?

>Edged weapons are 
>blunted, and preferably made from soft plastic.

I'd suggest you avoid soft plastic for swordplay.  Knives, I'd agree, are
easily replaced by plastic replicas, but swordplay needs to be steel, and
weapon grade steel.  Cheap imitations made in the shop are far more
dangerous than real live steel swords.  Most 'real' swordmakers will
provide their weapons before an edge is put on them.  They are, minus the
edge, the very same thing as thier dealy cousins.

Oh, and I've three features with the credit, "Weapons Master" under my
belt, with no injuries.  Most of what Frank has posted on the subject goes
against my training and best information.  As Frank said, your choice.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <1084.64.28.61.89.1147912384.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30330714 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net> <list-30330714 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> A friend of mine actually convinced a telemarketer
> to give him their 800 number, telling  them he was
> busy, but interested in the product.  He promised
> to call them back.  Oh, did he.  He retaliated with
> a computer program that he wrote that would dial
> the 800 number repeatedly.  After 28 hours, the
> 800 number was deactivated.  How much per call
> to the 800 number from the marketing company's point
> of view?  Say one call per 45 seconds.

These 800 numbers are usually on a per/month basis - not a per call. So
the only reason it would be deactivated would be because no one else could
get through.

These days, such a tactic would not work. It is fairly trivial to have the
phone company block specific numbers. And commercial accounts get CID that
is not the same as what we get - so CID blocking would not work.

Bill


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:45:02 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-reply-to: <list-30331077 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517184406.01f2fff8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net> <list-30331077 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:47 PM 5/17/2006, Clive Mitchell wrote:
>Not sure if it still works, but it used to be possible to record the 
>three tones that indicate an invalid number at the start of your 
>message.  Automated dialling equipment detected the tones and 
>removed the number from it's database.

There's a company that's patented that!  It's called the Tele-Zapper 
and my fax/voice switch is licensed to give out those tones, but I 
have them disabled.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:47:04 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
In-reply-to: <list-30331761 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517184524.01f53300 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30330352 [at] prxy.net> <list-30330714 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30331761 [at] prxy.net>

At 05:33 PM 5/17/2006, Bill Nelson wrote:
>These days, such a tactic would not work. It is fairly trivial to have the
>phone company block specific numbers. And commercial accounts get CID that
>is not the same as what we get - so CID blocking would not work.

Toll free numbers have ALWAYS had a version of caller ID, ever since 
they were invented about 40 years ago.  The idea is the person paying 
for the call gets to know who made it.  There is NO (legal) way to 
block the calling number identification to a toll-free number.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:01:48 -0400
Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0914DCC.C25A%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30331761 [at] prxy.net>

I believe back when this happened, it was
50 cents a call, something like that.

Steve

> From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: stopping a telemarketer
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> A friend of mine actually convinced a telemarketer
>> to give him their 800 number, telling  them he was
>> busy, but interested in the product.  He promised
>> to call them back.  Oh, did he.  He retaliated with
>> a computer program that he wrote that would dial
>> the 800 number repeatedly.  After 28 hours, the
>> 800 number was deactivated.  How much per call
>> to the 800 number from the marketing company's point
>> of view?  Say one call per 45 seconds.
> 
> These 800 numbers are usually on a per/month basis - not a per call. So
> the only reason it would be deactivated would be because no one else could
> get through.
> 
> These days, such a tactic would not work. It is fairly trivial to have the
> phone company block specific numbers. And commercial accounts get CID that
> is not the same as what we get - so CID blocking would not work.
> 
> Bill
> 


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