Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30480021; Tue, 23 May 2006 03:02:59 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,URIBL_OB_SURBL autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #818 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 03:01:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #818 1. Re: Elevator Doors by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 2. Re: More uses for LEDs by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 3. Re: Elevator Doors by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 4. Re: Elevator Doors by 5. Re: Elevator Doors by Bill Sapsis 6. Re: Stand-alone Lights by Bruce Purdy 7. Re: More uses for LEDs by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 8. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "Bill Conner" 9. Re: Elevator Doors by "Storms, Randy" 10. Re: Elevator Doors by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 11. Re: Stand-alone Lights by Jo Vandver 12. Re: Elevator Doors by Clive Mitchell 13. Re: More uses for LEDs by Clive Mitchell 14. Re: Lead Time by Chris Fretts 15. Contact area of casters? by Michael Heinicke 16. Re: Help: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Mick Alderson 17. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: More uses for LEDs by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 20. Re: Even MORE uses for LEDs by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 21. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "RD" 22. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "RD" 23. Re: lions tigers and elephants by "RD" 24. Re: Contact area of casters? by "Delbert Hall" 25. Re: lions tigers and elephants by iaeg [at] aol.com 26. Re: lions tigers and elephants by "RD" 27. Re: More uses for LEDs by "Alf Sauve" 28. Etymotic Offer by "Alf Sauve" 29. Re: Boy Scouts by Tony Kambic 30. Re: bandwith food by Tony Kambic 31. Re: Elevator Doors by "Jon Ares" 32. Re: Resource for those who collect books by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 33. Re: new job titles... by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <00e901c67dd2$076595e0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Elevator Doors Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:00:43 -0600 I built an elevator door for "Lobby Hero" couple years back. I threw together a quick and dirty drawing for Randy that I sent off list. Any body interested in an "interpretative " drawing let me know off list. robriddle [at] earthlink.net Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Immel" Hey Randy, Unfortunately I don't have any pearls of wisdom, but if you do figure something out...please share! Best of luck, Pat ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da960605221203v26be474id6ddcb554c64bac7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:03:37 -0400 From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs In-Reply-To: References:

So you live off ramen noodles for a couple of wee.... uh... years? Sometimes it hurts to be "in". On 5/22/06, Steve Jones wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sweet until you see the price tag starts at $12,500.00 YIKES! > > Steve > > > ************************************* > Steve Jones, Director > Plaza Theatre > 115 E. Main Street > Glasgow, KY 42141 > Voice: (270) 361-2101 > Fax: (270) 834-8147 > http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jason > Cowperthwaite > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:16 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Considering that neon running lights are illegal in many if not most > jusridictions, I wonder how long its going to take for these to get > outlawed? > > But you gotta admit... pretty sweet. > > Jason Cowperthwaite > > On 5/22/06, Jerry Durand wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Video wheels: http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/pimpstar.html > > > > > > -- > > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com > > 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > > tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 > > Skype: jerrydurand > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:05:33 GMT Subject: Re: Elevator Doors Message-Id: <20060522.120542.16359.338770 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> 1) Obtain 6' open-in-center drapery rod kit from Home Depot or equiv. 2) Obtain 1/4 Duron or equiv, cut to size, install 3" returns, paint. 3) Screw top of Duron or equiv. to master carrier and other carriers. 4) Mask track, install threshold and sides of elevator, as required. = ~OR~ Rent the whole rig, including working indicator lights, from the Univers= al Studios Prop Dept for 8 weeks for less than $100 total. /s/ Richard ________________________________ > Hi all - I need to cobble together a rig to (manually) operate a set o= f old-fashioned elevator doors for "Casey, Crime Photographer". Does a= nyone have a nifty design for pulleys and lines to make the doors open a= nd close? > Randy Storms ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Elevator Doors Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Randy, Consider using the same rigging principle that allows traveller drapes to move off and on simultaneously. Even all the parts from a standard curtain track can be used to assemble the rig. Steve Rees,TD SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Storms, Randy Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Elevator Doors For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi all - I need to cobble together a rig to (manually) operate a set of old-fashioned elevator doors for "Casey, Crime Photographer". Does anyone have a nifty design for pulleys and lines to make the doors open and close? Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Elevator Doors From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Check with H & H or ADC to see if they have a diagram of their standard bi-parting curtain track on their website. Zat help? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 5/22/06 2:50 PM, "Patrick Immel" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Hi all - I need to cobble together a rig to (manually) operate a set of >> old-fashioned elevator doors for "Casey, Crime Photographer". Does anyone >> have a nifty design for pulleys and lines to make the doors open and close? >> >> Randy Storms > > Hey Randy, > > Unfortunately I don't have any pearls of wisdom, but if you do figure > something out...please share! > > Best of luck, > Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:13:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Stand-alone Lights From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jo Vandver wrote: > So, we are working out of an existing movie house and > will be playing Matinee performances until we are able > to raise capital. We will be doing shows with little > to no royalties and a portable set or NO set. > > So, right now, all I really need is portable, stand > alone lighting and portable, PA systems as well. So, > we can be our own "traveling show". "Movie house" could mean many things. Is it a platform in front of the screen, or is there a "Real" stage? Lighting positions available, or portable trees? Do you have an equipment list in mind, or are you looking for advice in that area? If this is truly a "Travelling show" approach, that could be utilised on an open platform, a school gym or whatever, I'd suggest stands, and stand mounted dimmers (units of 3 or 4 600w dimmers) and a decent DMX board. Get a control board that you can continue to use once you're in your own digs, but use a small distributed dimming system for flexibility. I know I might get a lot of flack for even suggesting it on this list, but there are low budget (DJ quality) solutions at http://www.cheaplights.com/Lighting.htm They sold me a pair of "Crank stands" for my own travelling show, and although they are heavier and not as well made as "Ultimate" brand stands, I like them better. They extend to 14' high and crank up like a genie lift. (And the price was right!) They also sell the dimmer packs I mentioned, although I don't know about the quality. For a low budget, startup "Travelling" troupe, it's something to consider. As I said though, put your money into a good control board that will grow with you. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:17:26 GMT Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs Message-Id: <20060522.121753.16359.338812 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> In California, where I've often sat as a judge in the Traffic Courts, I = have NOT seen someone receive a citation solely because the light SOURCE= was neon, but there are plenty of violations where the wrong COLOR was = displayed on the front, rear, or sides of the vehicle. /s/ Richard __________________ Considering that neon running lights are illegal in many if not most jusridictions, I wonder how long its going to take for these to get outlawed? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <026e01c67dda$68d686b0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:43 -0500 So many interesting posts - at least for a code geek. Regarding the "Trained Crowd Manager" requirement: It doesn't have to be the teacher or preacher. There might be someone else in the building who could do this as long as that person's other duties did not prevent them from responding to an alarm or other notification. For instance, I would expect in a conference center that there is a trained crowd manager who might cover all the meeting rooms or at least a floor or wing. The concept is someone is in charge and has responsibility rather than leave it to every person for themselves - which does work most of the time. It probably is more critical for non-fire emergencies - tornados, terrorist, haz-mat - since most people do exit when they see the smoke and/or flames - unless there is a chance it is a stage effect in which case they stay in their seat. I wish I had seen the dancing stage hand with the fire extinguisher at the Met when a touchier went awry. I only have the press clipping which notes no one left and the music didn't even stop. Management lucked out ---- once again. Re: alarms - I think I've told my story but in a rehearsal with about 100 college students a leg burst into flame form being draped over a mid-side light and nearly instantly there were flames from around 10-12' off the floor to the roof (converted dead hung gym). Instead of anyone exiting, I estimate maybe 150 people poured into the building from the dorm across the way to see what was going on. Many codes, including the Life Safety Code, require live, voice announcements and not a horn. ADA still requires a strobe for people with hearing impairments. All too often the live announcement requirement is not a part of anyone's training. In the incident I mention above, it was nearly impossible to be hard over the horn - even with someone next to me. (I've sometimes regretted dispatching someone to pull the alarm because of that.) Peter's comment about the difference in training and culture is insightful. I still believe that you have to start sometime on the personal responsibility issue but maybe that's better advice for an about to be father and not for a safety officer (or Trained Crowd Manager). By the way, there is an opportunity for work in developing recommended practices or even a standard on Crowd Management. The Assembly committee of NFPA has discussed his on several occasions. All it needs are volunteers to take on the task. Or, if you please, write a book and try to get some fame and fortune. It's a sorely needed document. Bill C. ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Elevator Doors Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C279 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Thanks - that looks like it oughta do the trick! -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- >I built an elevator door for "Lobby Hero" couple years back. >I threw together a quick and dirty drawing for Randy that I >sent off list. robriddle [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <012701c67ddd$e8c2c200$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Elevator Doors Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:25:46 -0600 my pleasure Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storms, Randy" Thanks - that looks like it oughta do the trick! -- r. --------------------------------------------------- >I built an elevator door for "Lobby Hero" couple years back. >I threw together a quick and dirty drawing for Randy that I >sent off list. robriddle [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060522204936.10637.qmail [at] web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jo Vandver Subject: Re: Stand-alone Lights In-Reply-To: Thanks Bruce, By "movie house" I mean, an actual stage in front of a screen with procenium (I know I screwed up the spelling in that) seating, that seats 250 people w/ a balcony that seats close to 50. They have absolutely NO lighting capabilities at the moment, so lighting Trees/Stands would be the best thing I think right now. I have a "sister Theatre" that is working with me, but I havne't got into the lighting discussion with them yet, I am just borrowing their stands when I need them. But I want to look into buying our own. SO, I really know minimum about the lingo and about what I would actually need. I know what the board is though, and I think you are right on that. Thank you! Jo Vandver Liberty County Playhouse --- Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jo Vandver wrote: > > > So, we are working out of an existing movie house > and > > will be playing Matinee performances until we are > able > > to raise capital. We will be doing shows with > little > > to no royalties and a portable set or NO set. > > > > > So, right now, all I really need is portable, > stand > > alone lighting and portable, PA systems as well. > So, > > we can be our own "traveling show". > > "Movie house" could mean many things. Is it > a platform in front of > the screen, or is there a "Real" stage? Lighting > positions available, or > portable trees? Do you have an equipment list in > mind, or are you looking > for advice in that area? > > If this is truly a "Travelling show" approach, > that could be utilised on > an open platform, a school gym or whatever, I'd > suggest stands, and stand > mounted dimmers (units of 3 or 4 600w dimmers) and a > decent DMX board. > > Get a control board that you can continue to use > once you're in your own > digs, but use a small distributed dimming system for > flexibility. > > I know I might get a lot of flack for even > suggesting it on this list, > but there are low budget (DJ quality) solutions at > http://www.cheaplights.com/Lighting.htm > > They sold me a pair of "Crank stands" for my own > travelling show, and > although they are heavier and not as well made as > "Ultimate" brand stands, I > like them better. They extend to 14' high and crank > up like a genie lift. > (And the price was right!) > > They also sell the dimmer packs I mentioned, > although I don't know about > the quality. For a low budget, startup "Travelling" > troupe, it's something > to consider. As I said though, put your money into a > good control board that > will grow with you. > > Bruce > -- > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:49:55 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Elevator Doors References: In-Reply-To: In message , "Storms, Randy" writes >Hi all - I need to cobble together a rig to (manually) operate a set of >old-fashioned elevator doors for "Casey, Crime Photographer". Does >anyone have a nifty design for pulleys and lines to make the doors open >and close? I always thought that a bit of heavy duty curtain track (Like halls T60) would be ideal for this. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:48:39 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Heinicke writes >Pretty sweet until you see the price! Cheapest set costs more than my >full size truck is worth. $12K for a set? Keep searching until you find the version for bicycles that comes in kit form and allows basic animated graphics like Pacman chasing a ghost. MUCH cheaper! -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Chris Fretts Subject: RE: Lead Time Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:07:12 -0400 >Patrick McCreary wrote >I'm in the process of prepping a class in production management, and am >looking for some specific information. >What is the typical lead time for design drawings - how long a period of >time do professional houses require (or want) between when the TD gets the >designer's drawings and the set goes into the shop? Patrick, This is our design process as explained in the Handbook that we send to all our scenic designers along with their contracts: 2.0 Scenic Design Process at IRT The staff of the IRT Scene Shop and Paint Shop wants to work as partners with our Scenic Designers to fully realize the designs for IRT productions. Much can be done with our budgets of both labor and materials if we have the time to meet the challenges of any given show. Meeting all these challenges will only be possible if a designer's information is provided when it has been requested. Both the shops and our designers are faced with a myriad of deadlines for other productions and life commitments but it is important to keep the flow of information going during this process. If a designer cannot fulfill his/her part of this process and meet these deadlines, it is important that the designer contact the TD and/or Charge Scenic to figure out how the dates or information needs can be modified to keep the process moving. 2.1 Explanation of the Design Process at IRT Design meeting - Director and all designers meet in person, ideally in Indianapolis, to discuss and come up with the general design parameters of the show. No information need be provided to members of the production staff at this time. Provide to the TD & Scenic - Nothing. Though they can be consulted by designer if needed. Several weeks later Prelims - A white model or sketched groundplan and section are provided to the Technical Director for general comment on the feasibility of the design. A short written description of paint and finishing should be included for the Scenic Artist. Designs with moving scenery or several sets will need further scene shift information and additional groundplans. Provide to the TD & Scenic - White model and/or rough groundplan and section with a short written explanation Two weeks later Revised - Full drawings (groundplan, section and elevations) with as much detail as possible are needed at this time to be able to accurately price the design in terms of materials and labor. The Technical Director will work with the designer during the next two weeks to revise the design, if needed, based on these drawings. The drawings should provide or be accompanied by information regarding finish materials, moldings and paint treatments. A white or painted model can also be provided but does not eliminate the need for drafted plans. Provide to the TD & Scenic - Full drawings including as much detail as possible, Full paint and finish information. White or Painted Model if possible Two weeks later Finals - Complete finished drawings, including any adjustments or revisions that came out of the design process, should be provided to the Technical Director. A white or painted model and renderings for all scenery is also due at this time for the Scenic Artist. Provide to the TD & Scenic - Complete drawings including revisions in a form that can be blue-lined for distribution(Originals or Sepias), white or painted model required, full renderings and paint samples. Two weeks later Construction Begins Approximately Four to Five Weeks Later Load-in & Tech Do we really make all these deadlines? ... most times, and generally there is a pretty good reason when we don't. I try to keep in touch with the designers as the deadlines approach and try to let them know I am ready to move ahead on them. Once I receive information from a designer, I try to get back to them with feedback in the next day or so to emphasize that I take these deadlines seriously and I didn't just make these deadlines up for fun. In some cases we back the deadlines up even further especially if we know that we can/need to get a jump on construction. We also have two spaces to build for so sometimes we will back one deadline up a little to allow us to evaluate two shows that will be in the shop at about the same time since sometimes a larger show can be balanced by a smaller show in the other space. Let me know if you have any other questions. Chris Fretts Technical Director Indiana Repertory Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060522212844.76707.qmail [at] web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Contact area of casters? Can anyone tell me how to calculate the floor contact area of a caster? I would like to figure out how much pressure a cart is going to place on the floor, but I need to know the area of contact first. I am assuming that there is a formula for this, I just haven't found it and don't know where else to look. Thanks, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447231DA.6050501 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:49:14 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Help: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Ah, the joys of conversing Single-message to Digest. Sometimes our messages pass on the way. :-) Not often I get to chime in twice in one day on a given thread! Bill C wrote: > ...I'll reverse the question and ask if you think > it's OK for a teacher to lecture to 50 students and no one present know have > a clue of what the group should do in an emergency? In many instances, it > shouldn't take much to train a leader in the room. There could be an > information card that describes various features - means of egress for > example - and what to do in an emergency - like close the door on eh way > out. It need not be overly burdensome for smaller, simpler, assemblies. It > does need to make a person responsible and make sure that person knows they > are responsible. Thanks Bill. Randy as well. I have forwarded the gist of the discussion to my campus safety officer. He responded that he is referring it to the city AHJ, and will keep me informed of the response. I will do the same with this suggestion. Maybe I was over-cynical and the campus WILL handle this appropriately! And maybe the rest of us academic-types might do the same? The safety folks can't help if they don't know about it. -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42c.1cea646.31a39460 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:25:36 EDT Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions In a message dated 22/05/06 20:00:21 GMT Daylight Time, nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com writes: > When the fire alarm was installed at the end of 2004 it went off about 6 > times in > the first month. Two of these where real fires, where some idiot smoker ( > which > seems to be nearly all of them ) caused a smouldering bin fire by trying to > hide the > evidence of smoking where they had been told that it was no longer permitted. I resent that. Most smokers are acutely conscious of fire risks. I am myself sufficiently confident to tell officious busibodies, and you know who I mean, to get lost. There is an ashtray, just outside the door of the lighting store, that will be there until kingdom come. > I sometimes wonder if anybody else at the theatre really cares about safety. Well, I do, and so does Pete K. I haven't been called to inspect this, of late. But I can no longer do it properly. I no longer have access to the room where the emergency lighting batteries are. Who checks these? I think the words "Going to hell in a handcart" apply to us. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <364.50722fe.31a39557 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:29:43 EDT Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs In a message dated 22/05/06 20:19:20 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > In California, where I've often sat as a judge in the Traffic Courts, I have > NOT seen someone receive a citation solely because the light SOURCE was neon, > but there are plenty of violations where the wrong COLOR was displayed on the > front, rear, or sides of the vehicle. Heaven save me. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <019c01c67df0$546de8b0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:37:37 -0600 Just another small difference on this side of the pond. I was raised to think it was: "going to hell in a handbasket" as in: "how did I end up in this basket and where am I going" Rob't > > I think the words "Going to hell in a handcart" apply to us. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01a701c67df1$5f1aa590$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Even MORE uses for LEDs Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:45:05 -0600 > Heaven save me. > > > Frank Wood >>http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/pimpstar.html >I think the words "Going to hell in a handcart" apply to us. Hey Frank, you could pimp out the wheels of your hell-bound cart... Rob't \VBG/ Frank Wood ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 22/05/06 20:19:20 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com > writes: > > > In California, where I've often sat as a judge in the Traffic Courts, I > have > > NOT seen someone receive a citation solely because the light SOURCE was > neon, > > but there are plenty of violations where the wrong COLOR was displayed on > the > > front, rear, or sides of the vehicle. > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:06:56 -0600 Message-ID: <04ec01c67df4$6cb4fa90$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Having written many treatises, white papers, and given dozens of seminars on Crowd Management, as well as having been involved in many crowd management and crowd control lawsuits, in this country and abroad, I would be interested in giving my two cents, if that were acceptable to the other experts, i.e. Who Concert, etc. Dr. doom Let me know please. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:01 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- So many interesting posts - at least for a code geek. Regarding the "Trained Crowd Manager" requirement: It doesn't have to be the teacher or preacher. There might be someone else in the building who could do this as long as that person's other duties did not prevent them from responding to an alarm or other notification. For instance, I would expect in a conference center that there is a trained crowd manager who might cover all the meeting rooms or at least a floor or wing. The concept is someone is in charge and has responsibility rather than leave it to every person for themselves - which does work most of the time. It probably is more critical for non-fire emergencies - tornados, terrorist, haz-mat - since most people do exit when they see the smoke and/or flames - unless there is a chance it is a stage effect in which case they stay in their seat. I wish I had seen the dancing stage hand with the fire extinguisher at the Met when a touchier went awry. I only have the press clipping which notes no one left and the music didn't even stop. Management lucked out ---- once again. Re: alarms - I think I've told my story but in a rehearsal with about 100 college students a leg burst into flame form being draped over a mid-side light and nearly instantly there were flames from around 10-12' off the floor to the roof (converted dead hung gym). Instead of anyone exiting, I estimate maybe 150 people poured into the building from the dorm across the way to see what was going on. Many codes, including the Life Safety Code, require live, voice announcements and not a horn. ADA still requires a strobe for people with hearing impairments. All too often the live announcement requirement is not a part of anyone's training. In the incident I mention above, it was nearly impossible to be hard over the horn - even with someone next to me. (I've sometimes regretted dispatching someone to pull the alarm because of that.) Peter's comment about the difference in training and culture is insightful. I still believe that you have to start sometime on the personal responsibility issue but maybe that's better advice for an about to be father and not for a safety officer (or Trained Crowd Manager). By the way, there is an opportunity for work in developing recommended practices or even a standard on Crowd Management. The Assembly committee of NFPA has discussed his on several occasions. All it needs are volunteers to take on the task. Or, if you please, write a book and try to get some fame and fortune. It's a sorely needed document. Bill C. ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:12:24 -0600 Message-ID: <04f001c67df5$3059aa40$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: The number of theaters I have been to in the UK seems like legion and all of them seemed to be different, including the opera houses, Covenant Garden, etc. After the first fifty or so up and down the isle, you will certainly get the idea. Worth the visits though, and especially in Scotland and Ireland. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:02 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 22/05/06 12:54:55 GMT Daylight Time, bill-conner [at] att.net writes: > We have similar regulations and, in fact, I pushed a requirement into the > Life Safety Code that the means of egress be checked and a written report > made before each event. None-the-less, one finds many that are blocked or > have things stored in them. Stage managers will do it, always. They just want things out of their way, so as to be able to run the show, and ignore the possible consequences. We are especially vulnerable, as we sometimes work in-the-round. The theatre was designed for this, and there are a couple of fire exit doors backstage, at either end of a long corridor running behind the cyclorama, which is a curved 13" brick wall. Trying to keep this reasonably clear is a bit like painting the Forth Bridge. It's quite wide, so the odd piano can be tolerated. Not, however, a dining table and six chairs! Since I will be in London in June, and touring > a number of places, I'll be interested to see that your regulations are > always adhered to and that no one ever blocks the means of egress. I shall be in France, which is a pity. I should have been happy to meet you, and to have shown you round. Perhaps some other time: let me know. In some London theatres, I often use the fire exit stairs, because they are usually a lot less crowded than the main stairs. I have never found an obstruction. This may be because they always some way from the backstage areas, as a rule. If I did, I should certainly seek out the House Manager. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: lions tigers and elephants Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:21 -0600 Message-ID: <04f701c67df6$db5c8ba0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Brian, great, great. I recall when I was whisked to Las Vegas by the owners of the Mirage, Bellagio, Treasure Island, etc. and I mean whisked by jet and limo, etc. within one hour of their call to L.A. and to look at their showrooms .... at the Mirage and incident where equipment had fallen on one of the performers and they a good deal of this during other performances. Well, with white tigers on stage ... if one was spooked, out into the audience .... gobble, gobble. Possible, you bet. Yes, horses, elephants, snakes, tigers, panthers, you name it. Not nice to startle, NEVER. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:14 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A while back I was working Carmen. We has a horse for Eskimeno to ride to the bull fight on , and of course a rehearsal for eskimeno to get used to the horse. I used that time to be as distracting and loud as I could. There is also a gun shot in the Opera. I insisted that we shoot the gun while the Horse was in its staging area. I was trying to make the horse go nutty. In the end the horse was great(it was the most efficient rehearsal we has all week). With animals (and children) you never can know exactly what your gonna get, so do your best to find out before you have a house full of people. It is a lot easier to read a good review rather than how an audience was trampled. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:01:19 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Contact area of casters? In-Reply-To: References: Mike, Slide two sheets of paper into the wheels (one at the front and the other at the back), until thy stop. Then measure the distance between the two sheets of paper. Do the same from the sides. Multiply the two numbers to get the number of square inches of contact space the wheel has with the floor. If you then know the psi of the air pressure in wheel, multiply that by the number of square inches to find the load on the wheel. Repeat for all wheels to determine the total load. -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:29:29 -0400 From: iaeg [at] aol.com Message-Id: <8C84C1716FCCFF4-FCC-45E [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: lions tigers and elephants Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net although I never saw the S & R show at the Mirage, friends of mine in the industry always told me that they thought the most dangerous part didn't involve the white tigers, but when the elephant "trotted" down the ramp through the audience to the stage. If I recall correctly they said it was a very narrow ramp to the stage that passed through the audience and that the elephant was led down it in every show and a nice trot. very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: RD To: Stagecraft Sent: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:21 -0600 Subject: Re: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Brian, great, great. I recall when I was whisked to Las Vegas by the owners of the Mirage, Bellagio, Treasure Island, etc. and I mean whisked by jet and limo, etc. within one hour of their call to L.A. and to look at their showrooms .... at the Mirage and incident where equipment had fallen on one of the performers and they a good deal of this during other performances. Well, with white tigers on stage ... if one was spooked, out into the audience .... gobble, gobble. Possible, you bet. Yes, horses, elephants, snakes, tigers, panthers, you name it. Not nice to startle, NEVER. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:14 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A while back I was working Carmen. We has a horse for Eskimeno to ride to the bull fight on , and of course a rehearsal for eskimeno to get used to the horse. I used that time to be as distracting and loud as I could. There is also a gun shot in the Opera. I insisted that we shoot the gun while the Horse was in its staging area. I was trying to make the horse go nutty. In the end the horse was great(it was the most efficient rehearsal we has all week). With animals (and children) you never can know exactly what your gonna get, so do your best to find out before you have a house full of people. It is a lot easier to read a good review rather than how an audience was trampled. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: lions tigers and elephants Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:55:24 -0600 Message-ID: <052001c67e03$94219bb0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: As much as I have seen elephants at the training grounds and pens, and seen those who work with them and loved the animals so much ...never got on one .. nor too near. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of iaeg [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:29 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- although I never saw the S & R show at the Mirage, friends of mine in the industry always told me that they thought the most dangerous part didn't involve the white tigers, but when the elephant "trotted" down the ramp through the audience to the stage. If I recall correctly they said it was a very narrow ramp to the stage that passed through the audience and that the elephant was led down it in every show and a nice trot. very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: RD To: Stagecraft Sent: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:21 -0600 Subject: Re: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Brian, great, great. I recall when I was whisked to Las Vegas by the owners of the Mirage, Bellagio, Treasure Island, etc. and I mean whisked by jet and limo, etc. within one hour of their call to L.A. and to look at their showrooms .... at the Mirage and incident where equipment had fallen on one of the performers and they a good deal of this during other performances. Well, with white tigers on stage ... if one was spooked, out into the audience .... gobble, gobble. Possible, you bet. Yes, horses, elephants, snakes, tigers, panthers, you name it. Not nice to startle, NEVER. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:14 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: lions tigers and elephants For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A while back I was working Carmen. We has a horse for Eskimeno to ride to the bull fight on , and of course a rehearsal for eskimeno to get used to the horse. I used that time to be as distracting and loud as I could. There is also a gun shot in the Opera. I insisted that we shoot the gun while the Horse was in its staging area. I was trying to make the horse go nutty. In the end the horse was great(it was the most efficient rehearsal we has all week). With animals (and children) you never can know exactly what your gonna get, so do your best to find out before you have a house full of people. It is a lot easier to read a good review rather than how an audience was trampled. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <051401c67e07$2c607e70$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: More uses for LEDs Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:21:03 -0400 These would be cool on stage. With their own electric motors. Imagine the effects. I can think of a number of shows that could use these. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: More uses for LEDs > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Video wheels: http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/pimpstar.html > > > -- > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com > 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 > Skype: jerrydurand > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <054a01c67e0a$5424fa00$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" Subject: Etymotic Offer Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:43:31 -0400 I had to pass this on. I was looking for the price of Etymotic earplugs and came across one dealer who had this listing. "ER-20 Hi-Fidelity Ear Plugs (1 Pair With Colored Stem [Free Strap NOT INCLUDED]) " emphasis theirs I wonder how much this dealer would charge for the "free" strap? (actually $1.98 as I read down a little.) Alf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:33:46 -0400 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: Boy Scouts In-reply-to: Cc: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <000a01c67e11$566b1540$7a88c744 [at] tony> Greetings Josh! Although I was a Boy (and Eagle) Scout, I haven't been active in the program for several years now. I do occasionally get updates from my parents about the troop though. What kind of summer camp information are you looking for? Tony M Kambic Electronics Technician - City Theatrical Freelance lighting technician, NY, NY > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Josh > Ratty > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:15 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: OT: Boy Scouts > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Apologies for bandwith use. I know many on this list have some > experience with the Boy Scouts of America. If any of you have experience > with your summer program and facilities could please contact me off > list, I am looking for some information. Thank you. > > Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:35:16 -0400 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: bandwith food In-reply-to: Message-id: <000b01c67e11$89c216a0$7a88c744 [at] tony> Sorry for eating the bandwith...that was supposed to go only to Mr. Ratty. -TK > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Josh > Ratty > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:15 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: OT: Boy Scouts > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Apologies for bandwith use. I know many on this list have some > experience with the Boy Scouts of America. If any of you have experience > with your summer program and facilities could please contact me off > list, I am looking for some information. Thank you. > > Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003b01c67e1d$dadc2650$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Elevator Doors Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:03:31 -0700 > Consider using the same rigging principle that allows traveller drapes > to move off and on simultaneously. Even all the parts from a standard > curtain track can be used to assemble the rig. That's pretty much what I did for "How to Succeed." I used 2 hollow-core doors we had lying around, and rigged closet nylon wheels and closet track above, but used sash cord and pulleys to operate them like drapes. The real selling point for the audience was the "DING" that was actually a battery-operated doorbell with one of its metal clanger things removed. Just a DING - no DONG. ;) I had seen (but don't have) a design that's in the Tech Briefs somewhere that shows a rig-up of the type that both doors slide to one side. Don't have any idea which volume it was in..... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <43a.1d4dfe1.31a3e7d9 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:21:45 EDT Subject: Re: Resource for those who collect books In a message dated 5/21/2006 10:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rfinkels [at] msn.com writes: >The resource is LIBRARYTHING available at you guessed it... >http://www.librarything.com/ Thanks. This is a great resource. I have also made various attempts to catalog my library but each bogged down in the process of digging up and entering the data. The several trial entries I made came up with very close hits. It seems to favor the most current edition and I have many older editions. Also discovered that in older editions, the ISBN numbers are not useful for the search. Totally different publications were returned. A title and author search found the right book. The editing function made it simple enough to correct the default info to my particulars. Now I have another task to keep me up all night. :-) Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <221.c63d709.31a3e80a [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:22:34 EDT Subject: Re: new job titles... > "Head Flunky", "Squint", and "HumHead". >'Dreaded Overlord.' > Power Broker. >'Coke Wrangler'. I guess the cats have it. Everyone on their own tangent. SteveV Orlando, FL ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #818 *****************************