Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30562217; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:02:09 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #822 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #822 1. Re: PC/VGA to TV by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by "Bill Conner" 3. Re: Taiko Drums by "Paul Guncheon" 4. Re: PC/VGA to TV by "John Penisten" 5. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by SS 7. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by SS 8. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by "Jon Ares" 9. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by "Storms, Randy" 10. Re: What caused this cable damage? by "Bill Conner" 11. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 12. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by "Storms, Randy" 13. Re: DC motors and stuff by Loren Schreiber 14. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by SS 15. Re: Victorian Piano Shell by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 16. Re: What caused this cable damage? by Clive Mitchell 17. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: PC/VGA to TV by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) by CB 21. Re: Taiko Drums by CB 22. Re: PC/VGA to TV by CB 23. Re: elephants by CB 24. Re: PC/VGA to TV by CB 25. Re: Taiko Drums by Stephen Litterst 26. Waco theater needs TD, now! by Byron Lovelace 27. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Scott Parker" 28. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 29. Re: elephants by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Brian Munroe" 31. Re: PC/VGA to TV by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: PC/VGA to TV by Jerry Durand 34. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Josh Ratty" 35. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Josh Ratty" 37. Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) by Andy Ciddor 38. Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures ... by Jim Hyslop 39. Re: Help: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Jim Hyslop 40. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Jim Hyslop 41. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 42. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Dale Farmer 43. Re: A Good Word for "audience on stage"? by Loren Schreiber 44. Re: A Good Word for "audience on stage"? by "Delbert Hall" 45. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "Delbert Hall" 46. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Jim Hyslop 47. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 48. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by Jim Hyslop 49. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by Jim Hyslop 50. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 51. Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) by Mitch Hefter 52. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by Jim Hyslop 53. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 54. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 55. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by "Jerry Durand" 56. Re: video clip by NODEraser 57. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: PC/VGA to TV Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01a201c67fe3$fd16c730$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Yes, I actually have 33 separate video lines that all run back to the > booth. I can't think of what I would do with 33 different > lines yet. > Any suggestions? Get 33 TVs and watch an entire season of "West Wing" in 1 hour. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009601c67fec$469c84f0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:13:39 -0500 Frank posted: "The top centre of the yoke is good enough for me. I know that is a US custom to rig lanterns sideways on booms. This mut put large, and inappropriate, stresses into the clamps. Cast Iron is good at compression, and weak in tension." And Bill N. posted: "Yes, we often top hang or side hang lanterns on battens - and side hanging instruments on booms is also common, especially in the wings." I don't know where I read it but I have maintained for years that this side yoking is not good practice and shouldn't be done. I know I won't change routine poor practice but units should hang plumb - not that some of the clamp isn't still in tension and some in compression - but the force is less. It does of course make common sidearms logic defying - which is probably why cheesboroughs and why I try to design box boom "ladders" into new facilities rather than vertical pipes. Bill C. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002c01c67ff9$3902d8f0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Taiko Drums Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 02:46:19 -1000 <> When I was a teen and later in college I could hear burglar alarms in department stores (to the point where I would have to leave or suffer rather enduring headaches) and most TV's. I thought it was a capacitor though. Nobody else could hear it. Still don't get trying to quiet down the drums. Laters, Paul "My leg... she is fratured" said Tom in broken English. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4475A909.9020000 [at] fullcompass.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:54:33 -0500 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV References: In-Reply-To: David Duffy scribed: >How about go from HD15 PC connector down separate video lines (RGBHV) >and back to HD15 at projector? >David... I would strongly second this approach, if it is an option for you. Going this way there should be no loss of signal quality, other than line loss if you are not using a video amp. If this won't work for some reason give me a shout directly and I would be happy to provide a loaner scan converter to try out. Best, John -- John Penisten Full Compass Systems Rental, Production, Design http://www.fullcompass.com Phone: 800-356-5844 Ext. 1355 Fax: 608-831-6330 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003301c67ffa$fa5b0b20$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re:Victorian Piano Shell Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 02:58:53 -1000 <> Sorry, I don't have one and it probably do you little good as I am in Hawaii. Years ago, I gutted a Victorian upright for "The Phantom of the Opera" (no... the other one). In any event, it took two guys the better part of a day to remove most of the guts. The thing still weighed around 200 lbs. or more. So if it's "lightweight" you're looking for, it will most likely have to be a shop built piece as the carcass of the real deal still will have some semi-serious weight. It was for Diamond Head Theatre in Honolulu if you want to come look. Let us know what you find. Laters, Paul "I burned the Chinese vase" Tom said charmingly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605250658jc0d6945s97e7d32c02f97f9c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:58:32 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! In-Reply-To: References: >>>>> The top centre of the yoke is good enough for me. I know that is a US custom to rig lanterns sideways on booms. This mut put large, and inappropriate, stresses into the clamps. Cast Iron is good at compression, and weak in tension.<<<< >>>>Yes, we often top hang or side hang lanterns on battens - and side hang= ing instruments on booms is also common, especially in the wings.<<<< And that is why we have this wonderful thing known as a "Sidearm". :) -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605250704x2665e494he937215eae8d7a5e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:04:40 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Victorian Piano Shell In-Reply-To: References: >>>>Years ago, I gutted a Victorian upright for "The Phantom of the Opera" (no... the other one). In any event, it took two guys the better par= t of a day to remove most of the guts. The thing still weighed around 200 lbs= . or more. So if it's "lightweight" you're looking for, it will most likely have to be a shop built piece as the carcass of the real deal still will have some semi-serious weight.<<<< And remember, if you do end up gutting one for your production, be VERY VERY careful when cutting the strings. Those suckers hurt. You ever get wacked with a piece of wire under tension of 15-30 tons? It ain't pretty! :) -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c68004$771afe00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:06:49 -0700 >>>>>Yes, we often top hang or side hang lanterns on battens - and side >>>>>hanging > instruments on booms is also common, especially in the wings.<<<< > > > And that is why we have this wonderful thing known as a "Sidearm". Yeah but... that's still a cast iron C clamp with a horizontal load on it, which is precisely what the side arm allegedly was meant to mitigate... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Victorian Piano Shell Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:06:50 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C281 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Terrible. Just...terrible. ;-P -- r. Randy Storms rsotrms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- >"I burned the Chinese vase" Tom said charmingly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00b801c68005$4427ab00$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: What caused this cable damage? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:12:32 -0500 Is this not simply a case of the idling arbor snagging while the driven arbor continued to descend and then the idling arbor dropped? Lots of people will correct this but a basic drum winch of 5hp at 180 fpm - 400 pound capacity but a lot of torque to get it going? So the arbors each carry 1500 pounds of weight? What did I miss? And the overspeed trip still makes me curious. Just because the idler arbor bounces I don't see the drum speeding up. Interesting case, I'm sure someone will find a simple answer. Bill C. ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Victorian Piano Shell Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01c301c68005$8ecc8e00$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Well, Paul urned that one. > Terrible. Just...terrible. ;-P > >"I burned the Chinese vase" Tom said charmingly. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Victorian Piano Shell Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C282 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Indeed, Paul - ewer certainly asking for it that time. -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- >Well, Paul urned that one. >> Terrible. Just...terrible. ;-P >>>"I burned the Chinese vase" Tom said charmingly. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060525073942.01e80a88 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:58:13 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: DC motors and stuff In-Reply-To: References: I am a big fan of Minarik drives. Their R60U is a 2hp drive available for around $200. It comes with a speed pot, but it is a pretty simple matter to hook it up to a bipolar +10/-10VDC control voltage from a PLC or similar control device. I think I'd check the surplus stores before buying a new motor from Grainger. There are a lot of perfectly good DC motors showing up at these stores lately as more and more businesses move to AC motors and drives. Now, if you were interested in AC motors and drives, you can get a brand-new matched set from Automation Direct--and they give a discount for educational use. Their 1HP motor and drive package goes for less than $500. 2HP isn't much more than that. Then add a gearbox and you are good to go. The Durapulse line of drives also accepts the standard +/-10VDC or 4-20ma control signals. For your specified $2K you could have a pretty sweet set up--including control. Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605250758s4d296468i87aff228e753c538 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:58:29 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! In-Reply-To: References: >>>>Yeah but... that's still a cast iron C clamp with a horizontal load on= it, which is precisely what the side arm allegedly was meant to mitigate...<<<< Ah, yes, correct. But... "Safer Sidearms" do not have a C-Clamp. They were delevoped to eliminate that aspect/issue, I do believe. CTI sells them. http://www.citytheatrical.com/act-ssidearms.htm -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable roc= k. " ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008701c68010$be5b3bc0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Victorian Piano Shell Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:34:41 -0600 "we should leave the small word play to Paul," Rob said punily. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Victorian Piano Shell > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Well, Paul urned that one. > > > Terrible. Just...terrible. ;-P > > > > >"I burned the Chinese vase" Tom said charmingly. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:13:15 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: What caused this cable damage? References: In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Conner writes >What did I miss? And the overspeed trip still makes me curious. Just >because the idler arbor bounces I don't see the drum speeding up. If there was any slop in the gears then the drum might be able to kick back by a very small degree but maybe enough to fool the sensor into detecting over speed. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <45e.192c06e.31a73ee6 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! In a message dated 25/05/06 02:42:34 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Yes, we often top hang or side hang lanterns on battens - and side hanging > instruments on booms is also common, especially in the wings. Perhaps it is no longer true, and certainly not for axial filaments. But the more conventional grid filaments have a very limited tolerance of leaning sideways. They sag when hot, and are liable to touch the envelope. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <323.5215318.31a741dc [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:22:36 EDT Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV In a message dated 25/05/06 13:55:31 GMT Daylight Time, john [at] fullcompass.com writes: > >How about go from HD15 PC connector down separate video lines (RGBHV) > >and back to HD15 at projector? > >David... > > I would strongly second this approach, if it is an option for you. > Going this way there should be no loss of signal quality, other than > line loss if you are not using a video amp. Long video lines need to be equalised for good quality work. This needs good test equipment, and expert knowledge. They may also pick up other signals. I remember putting some long lines at the BBC's engineering school, when I was stationed there. In a little over 100yds, the signal had acquired 5V of hum! There was a simple way to deal with it, and room in the bay for the massive inductors. I got our resident expert on lines to do the equalisation. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <320.500c132.31a743d7 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:31:03 EDT Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! In a message dated 25/05/06 15:06:45 GMT Daylight Time, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > > And that is why we have this wonderful thing known as a "Sidearm". > > > Yeah but... that's still a cast iron C clamp with a horizontal load on it, > which is precisely what the side arm allegedly was meant to mitigate... There are fittings made for the purpose. A two-part clamp to the boom pipe, with one part extended and twisted to provide a mount for the yoke bolt. They are fiddly, and you have to remove the hook clamp. Myself, I prefer pipe stubs and KeeKlamp fittings, but this needs more premeditation, and may not be possible if the boom pipe is a fixture. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060525112143.00d444b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:21:43 From: CB Subject: Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) >standard scaffold pipe (1 29/32" or 48.3mm OD) This just made me giggle. Irony has got to be my favorite... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060525113439.00d444b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:34:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Taiko Drums >I don't snore, that's the scroller fans you're hearing. :-D Speaking of irony, did'ja ever notice how the lighting guys can talk about 'hearing the lights' with an absolutely straight face like they don't notice? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060525114743.00d444b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:47:43 From: CB Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV > I have thought of that but I have not found a drawing > that shows me where I have empty conduit to pull a > line from the booth to down center. FWIW, we tend to put the operator behind inthe wings (or behind the set, if it doesn't move) where he can see the back of the RP screen, and just run the VGA to him. With a set of cans, he might as well be right next to me. OTOH, if it starts to be a one-man-show, the baluns might be the way to go. I've not seen a budget wireless VGA set-up work well yet, but copper tends to fail very infrequently. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060525115536.00d444b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:55:36 From: CB Subject: Re: elephants >#### If the investors want to pay for living props, they will normally g= >et what they pay for within the bounds of safety. This is what I was saying, well, the converse of this, actually. I was pointing out that horses, guns, swords, etc. are not to be used for the sake of realism if they can't be done safely within the budget available. *IF* there isn't budget for a horse wrangler and proper training/rehearsal for everyone involved with the horse, getting a horse is irresponsible. Getting a horse because realism would suffer, and the audience would be dissappointed, are not good enough reasons to get a horse, if there aren't the resources to get one safely. It sounded like your response to that was that not getting a horse and supporting the wants of the audience would be irresponsible. I might agree, but I think the solution would be found in discovering a play that can be done with the audiences expectations met within budget and safety. My entire post dealt with the situation of the resources not being there, and your response was that if the resources are there, they should be used. I'd have to agree with that, but insist that if they aren't, going ahead is the irresponsible thing to do. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060525120322.00d444b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:03:22 From: CB Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV >>Yes, I actually have 33 separate video lines that all run back to the >>booth. > How about go from HD15 PC connector down separate video lines (RGBHV) > and back to HD15 at projector? Well, then, this may be the option that you are looking for. The lines have to be very close to the same length, but if they were cut and then pulled, they probalby are close enough. Check these out: Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:57:42 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Taiko Drums In-reply-to: Message-id: <4475FE26.1030002 [at] ithaca.edu> References: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I don't snore, that's the scroller fans you're hearing. :-D > > Speaking of irony, did'ja ever notice how the lighting guys can talk about > 'hearing the lights' with an absolutely straight face like they don't > notice? I had some Juliats on a show with no fewer than nine fans between the fixture and the ballast. After the sound designer observed that we were being too noisy, we turned them off for the rest of the rehearsal. When he continued to comment on how noisy the lights were, we told him they were off and the noise must be elsewhere. To his credit, he let us turn the lights back on. I never did stick an SPL meter near the lights, but they were d*mn quiet lights. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:30:35 -0500 Subject: Waco theater needs TD, now! From: Byron Lovelace In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Anyone looking for a TD position in Central Texas? Scott Baker, managing director of the Waco Hippodrome, just called me looking to find and hire a tech director immediately full-time, $25K + benefits. Great just out of school opportunity. Say Byron sent you. :) email to: BoxOffice [at] wacohippodrome.com or call Scott at the office: 254-752-7745 Byron Lovelace Technical Director / Facilities Manager Cultural Activities Center Temple, Texas tel: 254-773-9926 ext.21 cell: 254-913-8558 lovelace [at] hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605251242g3a026161l5c3454ac9887aef4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:42:51 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-Reply-To: References: >>> $25K + benefits. Great just out of school opportunity. That's high school, right??? ;->) --=20 Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:52:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > full-time, $25K + benefits We don't do for the money... or the glory... Wait? Why're we doin this again? One of our students is working as an office assistant at a construction company this summer making that kind of money. No experience necessary. How do we(as an industry) alter, change, market or whatever, our industry, our product or our culture so that we(as trained, educated professionals) command a living wage? Are we doing any better or worse than other industries? I saw a carpet installer this morning with probably more carpet experience than I ever will have, happy, because he got a raise to $9.00 an hour. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3ac.29192f1.31a783c6 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:03:50 EDT Subject: Re: elephants In a message dated 25/05/06 19:49:25 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > My entire post dealt with the situation of the resources not being there, > and your response was that if the resources are there, they should be used. > I'd have to agree with that, but insist that if they aren't, going ahead > is the irresponsible thing to do. One of the resources you need, of course, is an opera singer who can sing the role, and ride really well. Wagner seems to have found one for the original production, but I haven't read an account of how the final scene of "Gotterdammerung" was staged. His stage directions are often impracticable, although Peter Hall came close in his "Rheingold", which used the 'Pepper's Ghost' method to allow real, swimming around Rheinmaidens to share the picture with Alberich climbing around on the rocks. He is not alone. In "Passion, Poison and Petrifaction", Shaw calls for three people to be visibly struck by lightning, in order. This is followed by what must be one of the worst lines ever written. The first to meet the lightning is a policeman, also, in English slang known as a 'copper'. The line is: "The copper attracted the lightning". Beat that! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:07:47 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-Reply-To: References: On 5/25/06, Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > I saw a carpet installer this morning with probably more carpet experienc= e > than I ever will have, happy, because he got a raise to $9.00 an hour. Not to belittle carpet installers, but he didn't need to have a college degree or experience with welding, electronics, automation, lighting, etc to qualify for his job. If he makes a mistake no one gets hurt, except possibly himself. I am lucky enough to make a decent living in this businuess, but not many are. What we demand of technicians versus what we pay them is often quite degrading. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <477.1825241.31a78964 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV In a message dated 25/05/06 19:57:00 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Well, then, this may be the option that you are looking for. The lines > have to be very close to the same length, but if they were cut and then > pulled, they probalby are close enough. But not certainly. Timing errors among the signals may well wreck a picture. Under the floors of the BBC's Television Centre, built before video delays were practical, there must be miles of cable solely to ensure that all the eight studios were synchronous at the central routing point. This was for black and white TV. Nobody really bothered about the sound, which does have a higher tolerance of relative timing errors. But it's not infinite. I get my main TV and Radio feeds from a cable company. Where they get their feeds from, I don't know. But, listening to the radio on a bedside radio, off air, and then going down and turning on the cable feed, there are noticeable timing differences. There are sometimes differences when watching TV, as well. I attribute these to different signal paths. Even at the speed of light, a 46,000 mile path difference is noticeable, amounting to rather under a quarter of a second. Having spent quite a lot of my engineering career worrying about this sort of thing, I am perhaps more sensitive than many. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42b.24fa28a.31a78bc8 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:38:00 EDT Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In a message dated 25/05/06 22:52:49 GMT Daylight Time, clmortimore [at] bsu.edu=20 writes: > One of our students is working as an office assistant at a construction > company this summer making that kind of money. No experience necessary. > =20 > How do we(as an industry) alter, change, market or whatever, our industry= , > our product or our culture so that we(as trained, educated professionals) > command a living wage? > =20 > Are we doing any better or worse than other industries? > =20 > I saw a carpet installer this morning with probably more carpet experienc= e > than I ever will have, happy, because he got a raise to $9.00 an hour. As long as you get a salary on which you can live, and are doing work for=20 which you were trained and enjoy, I don't see a reasonable cause for complai= nt.=20 Being able to save for your old age is important, too. After I retired, I took on occasional work as a part-time lecturer, for whic= h=20 I was paid =A320.00 sterling an hour. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:41:30 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060525153952.01f4d460 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 03:27 PM 5/25/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >But, >listening to the radio on a bedside radio, off air, and then going down and >turning on the cable feed, there are noticeable timing differences. There are >sometimes differences when watching TV, as well. With modern Digital TV (at least here in the USA) there's a serious problem keeping the audio in sync with the video by the time the home viewer sees it. Errors of several frames aren't uncommon. Welcome to "new, improved video". -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:43:16 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <006401c6804c$9d62b740$0201000a [at] Rattys> It is possible to make a salary on which you can live while doing a job you were trained for and enjoy. But I think the problem arises when all of these conditions exist and yet you are not being properly compensated for the skills you posses and that are required to do your job. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! As long as you get a salary on which you can live, and are doing work for=20 which you were trained and enjoy, I don't see a reasonable cause for complaint.=20 Being able to save for your old age is important, too. After I retired, I took on occasional work as a part-time lecturer, for which=20 I was paid =A320.00 sterling an hour. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3bf.260ea02.31a78f85 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:53:57 EDT Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In a message dated 25/05/06 23:44:07 GMT Daylight Time, josh.ratty [at] verizon.net writes: > It is possible to make a salary on which you can live while doing a job > you were trained for and enjoy. But I think the problem arises when all > of these conditions exist and yet you are not being properly compensated > for the skills you posses and that are required to do your job. In principle, yes. But who can define 'proper compensation', and how? I know what skills I possess, and, just as importantly, those I don't. Really, it's the market that provides the definition. If I can hire someone with the right skills for less money, why should I pay more? It's the name of the game. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:10:54 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <006901c68050$7a7fc250$0201000a [at] Rattys> As with most things I think in the long run you will get what you pay for. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:54 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 25/05/06 23:44:07 GMT Daylight Time, josh.ratty [at] verizon.net writes: > It is possible to make a salary on which you can live while doing a job > you were trained for and enjoy. But I think the problem arises when all > of these conditions exist and yet you are not being properly compensated > for the skills you posses and that are required to do your job. In principle, yes. But who can define 'proper compensation', and how? I know what skills I possess, and, just as importantly, those I don't. Really, it's the market that provides the definition. If I can hire someone with the right skills for less money, why should I pay more? It's the name of the game. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060526094924.0369d3e0 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:20:37 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) In-Reply-To: References: At 21:21 25.05.2006, CB wrote: > >standard scaffold pipe (1 29/32" or 48.3mm OD) > >This just made me giggle. Irony has got to be my favorite... No irony at all Chris :-) A standard doesn't have to be any measurement in particular, just something we all agree on. As I understand it, even in the laissez-faire USA, there is a standard size for scaffold tube. There certainly is in the majority of the rest of the world. This is the same OD tube used in most truss systems in the world. The size of 1 29/32" just happens to be the Outside Diameter of 1 1/2" water/gas pipe. Whilst it matters to a plumber/gas-fitter how much fluid can flow down their pipe (hence their use of internal diameter to specify size), it is obviously much more important for us to know what size the outside is, for making clamps, etc. Whether any standard fits well with a particular measurement system is frequently an accident of history, the OD of 1 1/2' water pipe is also 0.1056 biblical Cubits, 1.0866 Rack Units, 3.2285 X 10^-13 Astronomical Units. Sadly none of these numbers brings even a hint of a grin to my face. Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4475B3D5.4030500 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:40:37 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Weapons: "best practice" procedures ... References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >>Yes, I've found that an extremely controlled and calm reaction can be >>much more unnerving than a tirade > > > Not to diminish the effect a good tirade can have. Especially when you can > get your veins to bulge and you spit a little. I use them as a last straw, > when only fear is left to motivate a crew or crowd. I think the key here is to do the opposite of what's expected. That'll get the most bang for the buck :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4475B6E1.1050306 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:37 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Help: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions References: In-Reply-To: Mick Alderson wrote: > Besides, I'd prefer to meet with Doom socially rather than > professionally! ;-) I second that! But if it must be professionally, I pray that I'll be on the side that retained his services. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4475BC48.1090207 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:16:40 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions References: In-Reply-To: Nigel Worsley wrote: > The > rest where caused by the smoking itself, except for when the detector > immediately > above the bar's glass washing machine went off. This is right next to an > external door > which was open at the time, letting cold air in. This reminds me of the time a few years back of an incident at my children's school. We were having a Fun Fair, with games, activities, food, and so on. The police had community relations officers present, and the fire department sent a truck over. During the fair, the fire truck received a call to report to a particular address. As they were packing up, someone said "Hey, that's the address of the school!" So the firefighters went to investigate. Turns out, the barbeques had been set up right beside an open door, and the wind blew the smoke into the building and triggered the alarm. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da960605251806n2563b291r3573d715f0fb29b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:06:14 -0400 From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-Reply-To: References: Well, its not like Artistic Directors and Producers are going to just up and volunteer to pay us what we are worth. The only way to drive up our market value is for the labor pool to refuse to work for paultry wages... but then again, there will always be someone willing to hump road cases for $10/hr. Can we win? Jason Cowperthwaite On 5/25/06, Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > full-time, $25K + benefits > > We don't do for the money... or the glory... > > Wait? Why're we doin this again? > > One of our students is working as an office assistant at a construction > company this summer making that kind of money. No experience necessary. > > How do we(as an industry) alter, change, market or whatever, our industry= , > our product or our culture so that we(as trained, educated professionals) > command a living wage? > > Are we doing any better or worse than other industries? > > I saw a carpet installer this morning with probably more carpet experienc= e > than I ever will have, happy, because he got a raise to $9.00 an hour. > > > > -- > Curtis L. Mortimore > Technical Director > Ball State University > Department of Theatre and Dance > Muncie, IN 47306 > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44765781.1030306 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:18:57 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions References: In-Reply-To: Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Nigel Worsley wrote: >> The >> rest where caused by the smoking itself, except for when the detector >> immediately >> above the bar's glass washing machine went off. This is right next to an >> external door >> which was open at the time, letting cold air in. > > This reminds me of the time a few years back of an incident at my > children's school. We were having a Fun Fair, with games, activities, > food, and so on. The police had community relations officers present, > and the fire department sent a truck over. > > During the fair, the fire truck received a call to report to a > particular address. As they were packing up, someone said "Hey, that's > the address of the school!" So the firefighters went to investigate. > Turns out, the barbeques had been set up right beside an open door, and > the wind blew the smoke into the building and triggered the alarm. > Many years ago, I was working the night shift in a large hotel in Boston. Middle of the night, the fire alarm went off. It was a real fire this time, (the system was plagued with false alarms) A smoke detector in the kitchen had malfunctioned and caught fire. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060525184517.03da1e00 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:47:09 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: A Good Word for "audience on stage"? In-Reply-To: References: Maybe a Tom Swiftian term for this? >Can you help me with this question: >I=92m looking for the correct English term of the situation were are the=20 >actors play on stage, and the public is sitting on stage too. >A way we often do, when we want to put small scale productions in big= venues. >In French they call it =93sc=E8ne sur sc=E8ne=94. > >Thanks! > >Ivo Kersmaekers Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us!=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:07:25 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: A Good Word for "audience on stage"? In-Reply-To: References: Shakespeare purest call it part of "orginal practice." -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:15:00 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions In-Reply-To: References: I just re-read Dan Culhane's article "Basic straight-lift fire safety curtain operation" from the fall 2005 TD&T. Excellent article. -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44766A02.7050306 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:37:54 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > I should be interested to know how. When I put it up, I put it up for keeps, > with non-unscrewable screws and penny washers. I've never dealt with non-unscrewable screws (I've seen them, of course), but I imagine they'd eventually submit to a suitable drill bit. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:45:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > submit to a suitable drill bit. ...saw, grinder, cold chisel, sledgehammer, gun, bomb.... ;) -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 > From: Jim Hyslop > Organization: Dreampossible Inc. > Reply-To: Stagecraft > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:37:54 -0400 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44766CB7.1040809 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:49:27 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! References: In-Reply-To: Charlie Richmond wrote: > I have a Toshiba notebook on which if you type too fast and hit certain > key combos, it instantly shuts the computer off - bang!!! Eeek! What model? I'm typing this on a Toshiba, and (knock on wood) I haven't run into this problem yet. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44766DAE.3050408 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:53:34 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) References: In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > Thanks Andy, and everyone else that made suggestions. This foot switch > seems to be the closest to what I'm looking for - maybe with a long USB > extension cord (Is there such a thing?) it might work. I could be passing on misinformation, but I seem to recall that USB is limited to 6' cables for reliable use. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006601c6806f$f0605c90$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:56:08 -0600 Today I am making ten dollars an hour. The standard rate for stagehands in this town. The promoter was losing his butt on this show and cut cut cut. The sound and lights that were supposed to have flown from motors were either ground-stacked or flown off existing battens in our venue. Rigging call was cancelled. Because I am what I am, I was included in the stagehand call (at my option). some guys, (generically speaking) doing their sixth call made the same rate as me. The state (venue) does not recognize twenty three years in the same building in the capacity as a stagehand. I work for other, independent, companies and the rate is six times that. Needless to say, there, I am not in the capacity as a stagehand. I do this all the time. work is work. Benefits...? I love what I do. the bills are paid and maybe twice a year I have to wear a tie. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" >paultry wages... but then again, there will always be someone willing >to hump road cases for $10/hr. Can we win? Jason Cowperthwaite ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060525213854.03220b58 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:58:39 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) In-Reply-To: References: Greg Persinger wrote: > >In the same spirit as your post, don't you think it is kind of silly for a >bunch of safety experts to sit around and dream up the next catastrophe you >need to save us from, figure out how to keep us from that catastrophe, not >freely distribute the information, call us idiots when the catastrophe >happens and people are killed, and be the first ones to jump up and down >screaming that your safety policies were not followed while testifying >against us when we are placed on trial. How do you expect us to follow the >rules if we don't know what the rules are. If you are in the business, you need to know the rules. That's part of the commitment we all make. Most Codes and Standards are not put together by a bunch of safety experts sitting around and dreaming up the next catastrophe. For example, one area I know a bit about - the NEC. Here are some of the changes that have occurred over the past 25 years: -Types G, SC, SCE, SCT, W cables were added. Prior to 1987, there was no viable way to use single-conductor cables � welding cable was never allowed under the Code for power distribution, even though widely used. -Commentary was added to Article 520 so feeders would be properly calculated allowing for reasonable feeder size on dimmer per circuit systems. -Rules and requirements were developed for single-conductor power feeders and single-pole connectors (prior to 1987, there was nothing in the Code that permitted this). -Table 520.44 was added so borderlight cables could be sized so that they were riggable. -Wording was added to Article 518 to make the stage and audience area fall under Article 520. -Article 525 (Carnivals) was introduced, and titles and scopes were changed so outdoor concerts are not considered circuses - in the literal sense. -Lighter duty cable is now allowed in special situations (e.g., two-fers and break-outs can use SJ cable under certain conditions). More on this in an upcoming article in Protocol, the ESTA Journal. Was this done by a bunch of safety experts sitting around in a room? Yes, but with a lot of input from the public - manufacturers, users, building officials, and even a gentleman from Arnie's Bait & Tackle. And before it became final, the public had a chance to review and comment of the proposed changes. > > >With all due respect for you and all the other fine folks on this list that >are involved in codes and standards organizations, my hats off to you and >your efforts. I do appreciate what you do. However safety in our industry >comes down to the people making good choices Absolutely. >and I just don't understand why >the people making the rules don't want to figure out how to make it easy for >people to use the compiled information to follow the best practices you work >so hard to define. As I said earlier, if you are in the business, you need to know the rules. Instinct may not always be right. Code books and Standards may not be pocket change, but they sure are a lot cheaper than my college text books. They should be considered part of your tools just as your wrench and screwdriver. And as others have noted, there are usually options for getting the information. > Best Regards, . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Member NEC Panel 15 & ESTA Technical Standards Committee Office: Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.vari-lite.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44767019.6000102 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:03:53 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions References: In-Reply-To: Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > ...saw, grinder, cold chisel, sledgehammer, gun, bomb.... Atomic or conventional? Not neutron, though. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007101c68071$11ea5ef0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:04:13 -0600 I will never run into the problem of typing tooo fast. :-0 Although I did run into the mentioned problem of hitting certain keys several years ago: ctrl/alt/delete. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- > > Charlie Richmond wrote: > > I have a Toshiba notebook on which if you type too fast and hit certain > > key combos, it instantly shuts the computer off - bang!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:31:21 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) In-reply-to: Message-id: <44768499.6010909 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bruce Purdy wrote: > >> Thanks Andy, and everyone else that made suggestions. This foot switch >> seems to be the closest to what I'm looking for - maybe with a long USB >> extension cord (Is there such a thing?) it might work. >> > > I could be passing on misinformation, but I seem to recall that USB is > limited to 6' cables for reliable use. > > The electrical characteristics of USB allow a maximum of a 5 meter (16.5 foot) cable. To go farther you have to use a hub or repeater. Maximum distance with hubs is 30 meters, to be within the 26 nanosecond round trip spec. You can buy USB extension cords and sneak past the 5 meters. . Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I read the explanation a while ago in "Universal Serial Bus System Architecture" by Don Anderson, published by MindShare. It made my head hurt and was not helpful in getting our USB product working, but that's another long, boring story. Carla ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Durand" Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) In-reply-to: Message-id: <1547.192.168.0.102.1148618021.squirrel [at] gandalf> References: On Thu, May 25, 2006 9:31 pm, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > The electrical characteristics of USB allow a maximum of a 5 meter > (16.5 foot) cable. To go farther you have to use a hub or repeater. > Maximum distance with hubs is 30 meters, to be within the 26 nanosecond > round trip spec. You can buy USB extension cords and sneak past the 5 > meters. . Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometime around this month Belkin is supposed to release a wireless USB 2.0 hub. You plug the base dongle into your computer (Mac/PC/Linux) and take the hub wherever you want. I think it's a 4-port hub. Could be quite handy. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:49:45 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: video clip In-Reply-To: References: On 5/23/06, Davy Davis wrote: > If I remember correctly, and it is very, very possible that my memeory i= s faulty, I first saw this on the web 15 years ago. Video on the Internet in 1991? I wasn't even using a graphic-based web browser then. And even if you did, I would hate to know how long it took to download at 2400 bps. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:27:20 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 25 May 2006, Jim Hyslop wrote: > Charlie Richmond wrote: >> I have a Toshiba notebook on which if you type too fast and hit certain >> key combos, it instantly shuts the computer off - bang!!! > > Eeek! What model? I'm typing this on a Toshiba, and (knock on wood) I > haven't run into this problem yet. A very old Satellite 3000 - if you haven't run into it yet, you won't ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #822 *****************************