Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30616558; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:03:17 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,TW_TX autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #824 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:01:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #824 1. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by "Salvatori, Jason" 2. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by Jim Hyslop 3. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by SS 4. Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) by Mitch Hefter 5. Re: Taiko drums by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Unions by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by John Bracewell 9. Lightning bolt effect by CB 10. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by CB 11. Re: Taiko Drums by CB 12. Sennheiser Infrared Emitters by CB 13. Re: Taiko Drums by CB 14. Re: Lightning bolt effect by CB 15. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Occy" 16. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 17. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "RD" 18. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "RD" 19. Re: Taiko Drums by Clive Mitchell 20. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Clive Mitchell 21. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Steve Larson 22. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 23. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Delbert Hall" 24. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by Dale Farmer 25. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Occy" 26. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by "Bill Nelson" 27. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Bill Nelson" 28. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 29. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Why am I and My ME not dead?! Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:00:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Salvatori, Jason" Electricity will take the path of least resistance=20 to ground, so assuming your ground and neutral cams=20 are connected properly, the power would much rather=20 travel through the metal frame and ground leg than=20 through you. Humans are only semi-conductive,=20 despite the amount of electrocutions that happen. Jason _________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail, including any attachment(s), may be confidential and is = intended solely for the attention and information of the named = addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient or have received = this message in error, please notify me immediately by return e-mail and = permanently delete the original transmission from your computer, = including any attachment(s). Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure = or copying of this message and attachment(s) by anyone other than the = recipient is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447877B7.70203 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:00:55 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! References: In-Reply-To: Diana Kesselschmidt wrote: > WHY ARE WE NOT DEAD? Who says you aren't? Welcome to purgatory >:-> -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0605270939u16f3b461wfe5341892e501fa5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:39:22 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) In-Reply-To: References:

> I told her I would freelance around > town and get on the union's over-hire list. Well it > turns out that this local's president doesn't like to > call new people. No matter how many people you know > in the union he only calls the people he knows. I > even heard that one week he needed a total of 250+ > stagehands and I still didn't get a call. Many of the > other hands told me that I have to call him 2-3 times > a week to get work and I told them that if wanted help > in making the theater I was working at a union house > he needed to help me now. > I understand that unions are brotherhoods and we still > need them to protect workers from employer abuse. > However when one local intentionally keeps new people > out I think they are doing a dis-service to > themselves, the clients, and making a bad name for the > national. Not to mention forcing young and new people > to work for less and not for them. Not trying to picknits with any IA folks and/or Locals that may be representing on this here list (and if I am wrong please correctly inform me), but IRC an IA local must take an applicant into consideration. The BA is required to "call you back" as well as find a way to get you on the list. Whether they find you a gig or not is another story, but they're supposed to at least attempt to work with you. Under the cirucumstances you describe, that is a reportable offense to IA International out of NYC. Uncool. Out of curiosity, having had a similar issue/problem with a local that will remain unnamed at this time (contact me offlist if you *really* care), what Local are you referring to? Again, contact me offlist if you choose not to voice your disgruntledness in open public forum. I am very curious to see if it's the same one, or just a happy coinky-dink. :) -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. " ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060527115621.03256b18 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:02:02 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) In-Reply-To: References: Doom wrote: >Reminds me of the meetings at Paramount, Mitch. Keep pitching. Dr. doom Randy - the upcoming Protocol article mentions the meetings at Paramount, the cable problem at the 1984 Olympics we "experts" provided a forum for resolution on, and I even admit to your participation - I believe before you became officially known as Dr. Doom. >-----Original Message----- >From: Mitch Hefter >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:59 PM >--------------------------------------------------- > >Greg Persinger wrote: > > > >In the same spirit as your post, don't you think it is kind of silly for a > >bunch of safety experts to sit around and dream up the next catastrophe you > >need to save us from, . > >If you are in the business, you need to know the rules. That's part of the >commitment we all make. > >Most Codes and Standards are not put together by a bunch of safety experts >sitting around and dreaming up the next catastrophe. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Office: Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.vari-lite.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c681b9$8383e5b0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re:Taiko drums Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:15:18 -1000 <> That's kinda my point. Taiko drums are supposed to be loud. People going to listen to them know they are supposed to be loud. That's a great part of the reason they are coming to hear them. Taiko devotees, in my experience, actually want the drums louder... never softer. I have never seen anyone at a Taiko concert or class (two of my children studied at Kenny Endo's school which practiced in an old wooden church) plugging or holding their ears. They have no volume controls other than the talent of the drummer. (Although Chris...erm, couldn't you just mic the and then turn them down? I'm not a sound guy but it's a thought.) If I went to a Taiko concert and found out that some tech or managerial type was trying to "protect" me (or their own butts) by trying to quiet down the drums, I would be sorely pissed. If you're that concerned about my hearing, don't book the gag. Offering ear plugs would be rather humorous, not totally unlike offering blindfolds to attendees of a fireworks exposition. A sign would seem funny as well... "Taiko drums are loud and may produce sound levels higher than recommended by some government agency that exists to make as many things as difficult and unpleasant for as many people as possible while spending as little time and as much money as possible. So if you are dumb enough not to know that drums are loud or bought tickets because you thought this was sushi demonstration, use the earplugs." ("Peanuts: Contains peanuts") Protecting the technicians is entirely another matter. They are not there "voluntarily" and have the right to request hearing protection. It is my understanding that OSHA regs. are there for the employee, not the audience. Laters, Paul "And you have a huge nose, my liege," Tom said mockingly. <> Sorry man, they're in there... and they gots to come out. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801c681be$c4b2cf60$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:52:55 -1000 <> Some of us actually leave school. <> During a discussion with some theatre technicians concerning this topic in general I once pointed out that In Honolulu there were perhaps several thousand "managers" but there were only 7-9 "Technical Directors"... maybe. Yet who got paid more than whom? I have also read that the better a manager is, the less he or she actually does. A managing director for whom I once worked put herself in charge of theatre rentals. The day after a fantastically disastrous rental (she rented the theatre out on one of the technical rehearsal days without telling anyone in the cast and crew, forgot to contact the sound op for the rental, etc. (it got better from there)), she assigned the rentals responsibility to somebody else in front of house. With no increase in compensation, of course. Now she herself had more time to do less. Laters, Paul "Someone stole my wheels," Tom said tirelessly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c681c6$721d7a40$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Unions Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:53 -1000 <> So... what are you saying? First of all, it's usually the Business Agent who makes the calls... however, your Local may be have a different system. Secondly, the Union exists to protect the members and improve their working conditions, not help and protect non-members. In the event of a large call, the BA should go through the members' roster, the go into the referral list. Our local is small, with only 300-400 members, a 250 stage hand count would most likely exhaust the referral list and have us looking in the private sector if there a bunch of shows in town. If is nothing else going on, then we might not even hit the referral list. <> Yes, I agree, but goig from that to: <> is quite a leap. Because you didn't get a work call after signing up on the referral list does not prove nor even suggest that the "Local intentionally keeps out new people." If you can show that "nobody" on the referral list ever gets work and the Local cannot fill there calls, you might have a point. There can be many reasons why one doesn't get work from a local, but then even joining a local doesn't mean you will get called for work. Sometimes it's a matter of skill level, sometimes personality, personal hygiene, personal equipment, attitude, etc. What's your skill level in your craft? Does your mouth know more than your brain? Have you ever worked a Union call? Did show up early, dressed appropriately for the work with the right tools+. Did you work efficiently, quietly, and respectfully of all other technicians around you... no matter what department? Did you work with an eager yet not-too-eager attitude, and show a willingness to learn from members who might know more than you? Was your first question when you showed up, "When's lunch?" How a new guy performs on the job will greatly determines future calls. So might taking potshots at the Local in an open forum. <> Huh? The Union is not forcing you to do anything. The Union owes you nothing. This is the Land of Opportunity, right. You don't have to work for less... go get a higher paying job... be CEO of Union Carbide if you want. I would suggest that one shouldn't expect life to give one anything, go get it. As I am wont to say "Figure out what it is you want to have happen, then do the things that will make that happen." For instance, if you want to get work for the local, and someone says, "Call the President 3-4 times a week", then make the calls. Become the squeaky wheel. Years ago I called my BA and asked HIM directly what I had to do to get a call. I recently worked with a young guy that desperately wants to get into the local so he can "make the big bucks". I tried to explain that getting to the local guaranteed only that you would pay an initiation fee plus yearly dues (in our local anyway). Being a member means nothing in terms of getting work. I asked him to work as a PA on my show to, not only learn from the experienced members, but show them what he could do. Showing one's talents (or lack of them) to other members is a valuable form of free advertising. While he got it... he didn't "get it". He failed to realize that, above all, he needed to impress me, as the Art Director and his boss, more than anyone else on the set. Will he get into the Local... probably. Will he get work... some. Will he work for me as a Union member in the future... no, at least when Head of Department I will not request him save as a last resort. <> Okay... but you might want to consider some of my points. Laters, Paul After this rant I don't much feel like it, but... "My puppy's bed is full of bugs" Tom said dogmatically. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20060527162654.03c56f60 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:29:28 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! In-Reply-To: The paint-as-insulator answer is so far about the best. That's the only thing--from what you originally described--that would explain why you didn't get a shock, and why no breakers have tripped or fuses blown. If the two phases that were leaning against the side of the housing had really touched the metal, they should have shorted out and either tripped an overcurrent device or caused one helluva fire! -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527141125.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:11:25 From: CB Subject: Lightning bolt effect >Lighting Budget is $200 for this show. >Any ideas? Yup! Rent a 5KW strobe, and fire that thing concurrent with a large 'crack!" from the sound dept. Then tell the actor to act as if the antenna next to him just got struck by lightning. If you can find a bit of a smoke puff to come from the vicinity of the antenna, it'll help cover any deficiencies in acting ability. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527141809.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:18:09 From: CB Subject: RE: Waco theater needs TD, now! >Chris: what a wonderful reply. No wonder I like you. Dr. Doom Aw shucks, Doomey! T'wern't nuthin'. I'm kinda find of you, too! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527142058.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:20:58 From: CB Subject: Re: Taiko Drums >Of course, in the past few years I've noticed that the little glowy >indicators shining through a blackout can be traced to speakers as much >as they can to lights. Hey, if you use tupperware for FOH speakers, you get what you get. No self-respecting manufacturer of speakers will make one with an indicator light on the side that faces the audience. The only indicator that one should be able to see on a speaker box, from the stalls, is the indicator of an internal fire. Although, it might be a revenge thing... ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527143741.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:37:41 From: CB Subject: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters >They seem to be >working fine >except for one confusing and somewhat irritating quirk, they seem to >take a very long >time to "warm up". It's probably someone pranking you. Recenty discoveries have had the technology available to slow down light, and someone msut have installed an IR speed trap somewhere in the room. ?!? ; > It's an LED, brother. Signal goes to the LED, the LED turns on and flickers at an appropriate frequency, and the rest is E=MC^2. Get yourself a bit of an IR sensitive camera and look at the txmtrs in operation, so you can see the IR. Somehting tell s me that there is another cause, other than the emitters are not warmed up. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527144522.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:45:22 From: CB Subject: Re: Taiko Drums >Of course the audio guys wanted them changed out. I tell them if they can't >get the mix over the the lights then we have bigger problems then a whining >moving light. So, the lil introverted alterna-punk singing her lil sad song center/center in her lil colored moving downlight, and to get her louder, I do, what? Turn up the mic? You mean, THE ONE WITH ALL THE 1K FROM THE LIGHTING INSTURMENT? Yeah, thanks buddy... ; > Everybody on the deck has two jobs.... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060527145058.00d445f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:50:58 From: CB Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect > I managed to generate 3+ foot >long discharges before my glass capacitor bank punctured while I was still >trying to tune it for maximum performance. It did get me an A for my high >school physics project. The Chief at my last TV gig did the same thing when he was nine. Made the giant caps himself out of discarded windows and aluminum foil. The FCC came ddown to his house to tell him to cut it out. Seems they'd received complaints from Davis-Monthan AFB and the local broadcasters. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:45:23 -0700 In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it from http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" --------------------------------------------------- > > >Lighting Budget is $200 for this show. > >Any ideas? > > Yup! Rent a 5KW strobe, and fire that thing concurrent with a large > 'crack!" from the sound dept. Then tell the actor to act as if the > antenna > next to him just got struck by lightning. If you can find a bit of a > smoke > puff to come from the vicinity of the antenna, it'll help cover any > deficiencies in acting ability. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:46:25 GMT Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect Message-Id: <20060527.164635.28134.12064 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Especially the 500,000 watt unit they demonstrated at a party behind the= ir shop after a trade show. It really does reproduce the look and feel o= f lighting, particularly in silhouettes and in the deep shadows. /s/ Richard _________________________ In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it = from http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:59:45 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c681e9$a18bbad0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I think I saw that. Doom Or one like it . -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:46 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Especially the 500,000 watt unit they demonstrated at a party behind their shop after a trade show. It really does reproduce the look and feel of lighting, particularly in silhouettes and in the deep shadows. /s/ Richard _________________________ In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it from http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:04:24 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c681ea$47e3a730$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Sometimes but not in my experience. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:55 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In message , RD writes >You aint seen nothing yet until you see the ones they use in special >effects in the movies .... whammo. Doom These do tend to be computer generated FX though. http://www.teslacoil.com Have them installed in night clubs blasting onto the truss from above. I wonder if there are ant problems with DMX or integrity of the electronics in the moving lights. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:52:24 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Taiko Drums References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Hey, if you use tupperware for FOH speakers, you get what you get. No >self-respecting manufacturer of speakers will make one with an >indicator light on the side that faces the audience. The only >indicator that one should be able to see on a speaker box, from the >stalls, is the indicator >of an internal fire. >Although, it might be a revenge thing... ; > Some speakers have lamps inside that act as PTC limiters and fuses in the event of speaker overdriving. When these are being activated you can sometimes see the glow through the ports. I remember being given a lecture by a sound dude about how he could use delay to make it sound as though all the sound was coming from the small speakers that covered the back of the auditorium. I pointed out that since their PTC lamps were flashing like disco lights all the sound probably WAS coming out the little speakers. :) (He made a sudden and violent bee line for the amplifiers.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:06:26 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect References: In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it >from http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. Sure does, but imposes a violent DC load momentarily on your house electrics and also strikes the shows wallet like a bolt of lightning. Great units though. Had 1MW of them on a gig last year and took the opportunity to pop the lid on one and have a good look inside. Very interesting. The only bit that surprised me was the nice simple ignition system that used an HT transformer, capacitor, spark gap and HT pulse transformer. A bit like a mains powered stun gun. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:14:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I know some shows that could have used lightning for no other reason than to cover the acting deficiencies. Steve > From: CB > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:11:25 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Lightning bolt effect it'll help cover any deficiencies in acting ability. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01c681f3$ee4170e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I know some shows that could have used lightning > for no other reason than to cover the acting > deficiencies. As opposed to shows that use fog...strobes...helicopters....? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:33:26 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect In-Reply-To: References: I saw this at LDI in 1993. I agree with Richard, "It really does reproduce the look and feel of lighting," It is scary. -Delbert On 5/27/06, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Especially the 500,000 watt unit they demonstrated at a party behind thei= r shop after a trade show. It really does reproduce the look and feel of li= ghting, particularly in silhouettes and in the deep shadows. > /s/ Richard > _________________________ > In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it f= rom http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44790D30.9070000 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:38:40 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) References: In-Reply-To: SS wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I told her I would freelance around >> town and get on the union's over-hire list. Well it >> turns out that this local's president doesn't like to >> call new people. No matter how many people you know >> in the union he only calls the people he knows. I >> even heard that one week he needed a total of 250+ >> stagehands and I still didn't get a call. Many of the >> other hands told me that I have to call him 2-3 times >> a week to get work and I told them that if wanted help >> in making the theater I was working at a union house >> he needed to help me now. >> I understand that unions are brotherhoods and we still >> need them to protect workers from employer abuse. >> However when one local intentionally keeps new people >> out I think they are doing a dis-service to >> themselves, the clients, and making a bad name for the >> national. Not to mention forcing young and new people >> to work for less and not for them. > > > Not trying to picknits with any IA folks and/or Locals that may be > representing on this here list (and if I am wrong please correctly > inform me), but IRC an IA local must take an applicant into > consideration. The BA is required to "call you back" as well as find a > way to get you on the list. Whether they find you a gig or not is > another story, but they're supposed to at least attempt to work with > you. Under the cirucumstances you describe, that is a reportable > offense to IA International out of NYC. Uncool. > > Out of curiosity, having had a similar issue/problem with a local that > will remain unnamed at this time (contact me offlist if you *really* > care), what Local are you referring to? > Again, contact me offlist if you choose not to voice your > disgruntledness in open public forum. I am very curious to see if it's > the same one, or just a happy coinky-dink. > > :) > > -SS > TTS-EKU > > "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable > rock. " > > > I had a nearly carbon copy experience with the local in Boston a few years ago. I applied, filled out the paperwork, called the guy once a week on the day he specified. Nada. Not a single gig. after a couple months, I stopped calling every week, but called sporadically for a few more months. Nope, none then either. When I asked what I could do to improve my chances of getting a call, the answer given was that I didn't have a track record with the union or any of their usual venues, and that I needed to get on the gigs to establish a track record. Catch-22. So color me as anti-IA, until proved otherwise. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:02:43 -0700 Or story line? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > > I know some shows that could have used lightning > > for no other reason than to cover the acting > > deficiencies. > > As opposed to shows that use fog...strobes...helicopters....? > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1107.205.215.254.30.1148787260.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! From: "Bill Nelson" > The paint-as-insulator answer is so far about the best. That's the only > thing--from what you originally described--that would explain why you > didn't get a shock, and why no breakers have tripped or fuses blown. If > the two phases that were leaning against the side of the housing had > really touched the metal, they should have shorted out and either tripped an > overcurrent device or caused one helluva fire! It has nothing to do with not getting shocked - assuming the rack had the proper equipment grounding conductor connected. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1232.205.215.254.30.1148793989.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect From: "Bill Nelson" > In message , Occy writes >>In all the shows that I needed lightning in the past 15 years I rent it >>from http://www.lightningstrikes.com/ Believe me it works. > > Sure does, but imposes a violent DC load momentarily on your house > electrics and also strikes the shows wallet like a bolt of lightning. Why should it have that effect on the electrics? They have power packs for the heads that contain a battery bank. The bank is charged by a trickle charger. The whole idea is to eliminate heavy source loads. Bill ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 05:46:40 GMT Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect Message-Id: <20060527.224715.18186.12655 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> On the larger units, the charging current is hardly trickle. The specs s= ay that the power unit should stay connected to a 400 amp per phase at 2= 08 to 250 volt source between discharges, in order to refill the batteri= es and capacitors for multiple 2100 amp momentary discharges of the 500k= W unit. It sounds like they mean business when they recommend that you b= ring in a 3000 amp (360 kW) generator if you don't have the mains capaci= ty at your venue. /s/ Richard ___________________ > Sure does, but imposes a violent DC load momentarily on your house > electrics and also strikes the shows wallet like a bolt of lightning. ____________________________ Why should it have that effect on the electrics? They have power packs f= or the heads that contain a battery bank. The bank is charged by a trick= le charger. The whole idea is to eliminate heavy source loads. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1314.205.215.254.30.1148797792.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect From: "Bill Nelson" > On the larger units, the charging current is hardly trickle. The specs say > that the power unit should stay connected to a 400 amp per phase at 208 to > 250 volt source between discharges, in order to refill the batteries and > capacitors for multiple 2100 amp momentary discharges of the 500kW unit. > It sounds like they mean business when they recommend that you bring in a > 3000 amp (360 kW) generator if you don't have the mains capacity at your > venue. I just clicked on the link for one of the units. I must have picked one of the lower wattage units. Yep, it would take a pretty large battery bank to run a 500 KW unit for any length of time. I have not had the need for a "near strike" effect, so have never needed more than a Diversitronics strobe. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #824 *****************************