Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30732826; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:02:18 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #828 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:00:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #828 1. Re: American Flag by Jason Tollefson 2. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 3. power question by "Mike Burnett" 4. Re: American Flag by "Bill Nelson" 5. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 6. Re: power question by "Bill Nelson" 7. Re: power question by "Mike Burnett" 8. Re: American Flag by Jim Hyslop 9. Re: American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 10. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 11. Re: American Flag by iaeg [at] aol.com 12. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 13. Re: American Flag by "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" 14. Re: American Flag by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: American Flag by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 16. Re: American Flag by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: American Flag by "Jon Lagerquist" 18. Re: American Flag by Art Corey 19. Re: power question by "Bill Nelson" 20. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 21. Re: power question by Greg Persinger 22. Re: American Flag by "Steve Jones" 23. Re: American Flag by "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" 24. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 25. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 26. Re: Next generation control surface? by Jerry Durand 27. Re: American Flag by Jim Hyslop 28. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 29. Re: American Flag by Jerry Durand 30. Re: American flag by Bill Schaffell 31. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: American flag by "Joe Golden" 33. Re: American Flag by Jim Hyslop 34. Re: American Flag by Jim Hyslop 35. Re: American Flag by "Josh Ratty" 36. Re: power question by Richard Wolpert 37. rental houses in Reno or Carson City Nevada by wyn 38. Re: American Flag by "Brian Munroe" 39. Gluing Plexi by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 40. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 41. Re: Gluing Plexi by "Paul Schreiner" 42. Re: Gluing Plexi by "Frank E. Merrill" 43. AV Companies in Los Angeles, CA by Norman Lazarus 44. Re: Next generation control surface? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: power question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: American Flag by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 47. Re: American Flag by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 48. Re: Gluing Plexi by Clive Mitchell 49. Re: American Flag by Clive Mitchell 50. Re: American Flag by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 51. Re: American Flag by "Tony Deeming" 52. Re: American Flag by Steve Larson 53. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 54. Re: American Flag by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 55. Re: American Flag by "Brian Munroe" 56. Re: American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 57. Re: American Flag by "Laura McMeley" 58. Re: American Flag by Mark O'Brien 59. Re: American Flag by "Paul Schreiner" 60. Re: power question by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20060531104846.42294.qmail [at] web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: > 8. American Flag > by "Joe Golden" > > I am looking to rent an American Flag with grommets on the top (for Kabuki > drop) that is 30' x 20'. Any ideas? I am in Southern California. TIA You know, I've never considered myself one of the ultra-patriotic types but are you really wanting to do an American flag kabuki drop? While I can appriciate the visual impact of such a gag, don't ya' think it's just a little bit in bad taste? Jason Tollefson ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:05:14 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > I am looking to rent an American Flag with grommets on the top > (for Kabuki > > drop) that is 30' x 20'. Any ideas? I am in Southern California. TIA > > You know, I've never considered myself one of the ultra-patriotic > types but are you really wanting > to do an American flag kabuki drop? While I can appreciate the > visual impact of such a gag, don't > ya' think it's just a little bit in bad taste? > > Jason Tollefson > Hmmm.... And I, being a non-American yet fairly patriotic Brit-type, am curious why you might see that as an issue....? With the utmost respect, of course. I mean, the dramatic unfurling of a nation's flag doesn't strike me as being anything sinister, or OTT, so just wond'rin'.... TD ------------------------------ Subject: power question Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" OK, our university electrician is on vacation until next week, but as = always, this is a pressing matter. =20 We purchased a generator to power some portable lighting for various = needs on campus. It is one of those whole house generators...17500 = sustained watts, 22500 peak watts. We have a distribution box to power = our portable dimmers that we tie into our house power when we need more = dimmers. These are Lightronics AS40D (4 dimmers per 20amp circuit). = The feed to the distribution panel is 3 wire, red, black and ground. = The feed from the new generator is 4 wire, white, red, black, and = ground. =20 =20 Is there way to merge these 2 existing systems? Can I take the 4 pin = plug from the generator and wire it into my 3 wire system (bypassing the = white). Should I re-wire my existing box to 4 wire? Thoughts?? =20 Mike =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1307.205.215.253.194.1149073905.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 04:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: American Flag From: "Bill Nelson" > And I, being a non-American yet fairly patriotic Brit-type, am curious why > you might see that as an issue....? With the utmost respect, of course. > > I mean, the dramatic unfurling of a nation's flag doesn't strike me as > being anything sinister, or OTT, so just wond'rin'.... Well, you wouldn't think so. But, if I recall correctly, our congress just recently passed a "Flag desecration act". From their hysteria, you would think that cutting up a flag is the same thing as cutting the arms and legs off a living person. I never could understand this abject worship of a symbol, as though it were some sort of religious icon. Must have something to do with my "hippie" past. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > And I, being a non-American yet fairly patriotic Brit-type, am > curious why > > you might see that as an issue....? With the utmost respect, of course. > > > > I mean, the dramatic unfurling of a nation's flag doesn't strike me as > > being anything sinister, or OTT, so just wond'rin'.... > > Well, you wouldn't think so. But, if I recall correctly, our congress just > recently passed a "Flag desecration act". From their hysteria, you would > think that cutting up a flag is the same thing as cutting the arms and > legs off a living person. > Bill > Well, yeah - I can sort of understand the reverence placed on the national flag, though I did chuckle a little over the stand-off when Penn & Teller (sp) did their magic act in the West Wing, and supposedly burned the flag inside a rolled up copy of the constitution - ie did they ACTUALLY burn the flag, or did they just PRETEND to burn the flag.....? I found the political quandary amid public outcry fascinating, yet somewhat bemusing. But back on topic, could the rolling and un-furling of the flag be in any way described by the PC brigades 'desecration'? Especially if the unfurling were to take place as part of a patriotic event/celebration whatever? I seem to recall on my few trips across the pond (mainly in the house of mouse) that this 'trick' has been used in various shows I've seen.... TD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1315.205.215.253.194.1149075171.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 04:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: power question From: "Bill Nelson" > are Lightronics AS40D (4 dimmers per 20amp circuit). The feed to the > distribution panel is 3 wire, red, black and ground. Three wires only for feed to a distribution panel (most likely actually a subpanel) would be unusual. Is the ground a green wire? White wire? Bare wire roughly the same gauge as the red and black? Is your theatre on split single phase or three phase power? Is the distribution panel connected to the main panel by flex or rigid conduit? How do you "tie" the panel into your house power? Do you just throw a breaker or switch? > The feed from the new generator is 4 wire, white, red, black, and ground. Your generator is split single phase - the same setup that is in your house. The red and black are hot, the white is common and the fourth conductor should have a green tag indicating that it is equipment ground. A three phase generator would have an additional conductor, usually tagged blue. > Is there way to merge these 2 existing systems? Can I take the 4 pin plug > from the generator and wire it into my 3 wire system (bypassing the > white). Should I re-wire my existing box to 4 wire? Thoughts?? This I don't know. I have never used a generator when house power was also available. Are you planning on only using the generator through that panel and never again tie in house power? Are you planning on permanently wiring in the generator? Why would you even want to use the generator when house power is available? Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: power question Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" On the distribution panel, it is red, black and ground (bare copper...roughly the same gauge as the red and black). When the panel is used in the theatre, it is wired into lugs in a 400 amp service...we don't use all the lugs obviously. The cable is flex. The service also has blue but we don't use it. =20 The generator is going to be used in this system on campus at locations where there isn't power...i.e. on the quad, outside the dining commons, etc. The disconnect we are using currently I'd like to use for this system. My thinking is that if we wire it correctly for the generator, we should be able to use it in the theatre when we need the extra power. =20 M ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447D8BF8.7030408 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:28:40 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming wrote: > Well, yeah - I can sort of understand the reverence placed on the national > flag, though I did chuckle a little over the stand-off when Penn & Teller > (sp) did their magic act in the West Wing, and supposedly burned the flag > inside a rolled up copy of the constitution - ie did they ACTUALLY burn the > flag, or did they just PRETEND to burn the flag.....? I found the political > quandary amid public outcry fascinating, yet somewhat bemusing. Every time I hear an outcry about a flag being burned, I chuckle because the ONLY way to honourably dispose of a flag is to burn it. So, next time protesters burn your country's flag, feel proud because they're actually giving it quite an honour. > But back on topic, could the rolling and un-furling of the flag be in any > way described by the PC brigades 'desecration'? Especially if the unfurling > were to take place as part of a patriotic event/celebration whatever? I seem > to recall on my few trips across the pond (mainly in the house of mouse) > that this 'trick' has been used in various shows I've seen.... ISTM the biggest danger would be that the effect might be so over-the-top as to be horrifically cliched. It really depends on the rest of the show, and the context in which the flag unfurls. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c684af$54a3ec10$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > ISTM the biggest danger would be that the effect might be so > over-the-top as to be horrifically cliched. ...And it's unlikely to done as effectively as Balanchine did it in "Stars and Stripes" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK (I'm gonna regret this). I've a question. Going back to the original post is the problem over desecrating the flag about putting grommets onto the top of it for a Kabuki drop or the fact that it will be used in a Kabuki manner? Where I came from a Kabuki drop ultimately allows the entire drop/flag/whatever to drop to the floor, usually revealing something behind it. I'm not sure where the furl and unfurl parts have come in. Don't get me wrong, I'm not actually worried about what happens to the flag, (those opinions I'll keep to myself) I just want to make sure I'm understanding this thread correctly. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 5/31/06 8:28 AM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Deeming wrote: >> Well, yeah - I can sort of understand the reverence placed on the national >> flag, though I did chuckle a little over the stand-off when Penn & Teller >> (sp) did their magic act in the West Wing, and supposedly burned the flag >> inside a rolled up copy of the constitution - ie did they ACTUALLY burn the >> flag, or did they just PRETEND to burn the flag.....? I found the political >> quandary amid public outcry fascinating, yet somewhat bemusing. > > Every time I hear an outcry about a flag being burned, I chuckle because > the ONLY way to honourably dispose of a flag is to burn it. So, next > time protesters burn your country's flag, feel proud because they're > actually giving it quite an honour. > >> But back on topic, could the rolling and un-furling of the flag be in any >> way described by the PC brigades 'desecration'? Especially if the unfurling >> were to take place as part of a patriotic event/celebration whatever? I seem >> to recall on my few trips across the pond (mainly in the house of mouse) >> that this 'trick' has been used in various shows I've seen.... > > ISTM the biggest danger would be that the effect might be so > over-the-top as to be horrifically cliched. It really depends on the > rest of the show, and the context in which the flag unfurls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:57:25 -0400 From: iaeg [at] aol.com Message-Id: <8C852C8E6339819-1920-3DD3 [at] mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: American Flag Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com > ISTM the biggest danger would be that the effect might be so > over-the-top as to be horrifically cliched. ...And it's unlikely to done as effectively as Balanchine did it in "Stars and Stripes"> I might mention that Lee Greenwood in concert accompanies "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN" with a Flag Drop as well very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey E. Salzberg To: Stagecraft Sent: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:39:59 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > ISTM the biggest danger would be that the effect might be so > over-the-top as to be horrifically cliched. ...And it's unlikely to done as effectively as Balanchine did it in "Stars and Stripes" ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:06:41 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > OK (I'm gonna regret this). I've a question. Going back to the original > post is the problem over desecrating the flag about putting grommets onto > the top of it for a Kabuki drop or the fact that it will be used > in a Kabuki > manner? > > Where I came from a Kabuki drop ultimately allows the entire > drop/flag/whatever to drop to the floor, usually revealing > something behind > it. I'm not sure where the furl and unfurl parts have come in. > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not actually worried about what happens > to the flag, > (those opinions I'll keep to myself) I just want to make sure I'm > understanding this thread correctly. > > Thanks > Bill S. I've only ever used Kabukis in the rolled-up starting position, unfurling/unrolling at the pull of a cord to reveal the flag/material etc. Never dropped the drop completely. TD ------------------------------ Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:17:00 -0600 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4DE7 [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> From: "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com I am looking to rent an American Flag with grommets on the top (for=20 > Kabuki > drop) that is 30' x 20'. Any ideas? I am in Southern California. = TIA I would think that a Garrison Flag, that being=20 20 foot hoist ( high ) and 38 foot Fly ( Length ) would be very = difficult to obtain in silk. The common National Standard ( American Flag ) is a = pretty=20 heavy cotton. You would have to weight the bottom well to pull the = wrinkles=20 out. =20 Today is graduation here at your United States Air Force Academy. 30 = feet from me on deck is a properly flown representation of our National Ensign. I = started with standard 20 x 30 garrison flag and had jute sewn then grommets = punched across the top every 12". I had a pipe pocket sewn into the bottom. =20 Just lika' drop. I have been able to get away with this by stating that = it is=20 a theatrical drop representing our National Colors. I do lock the house = doors=20 when we are taking down or hanging the "drop". Tourists and some staff = and faculty just wouldn't understand our flag laying on the floor. I am sorry, Joe. I have no idea where you can rent them. 'Ya might try Perkins Pancake House or a large auto dealership. I often see them at = these Places. A bunch of tarpaulin clips and you can hang it without = grommets. There are specified dates that a flag of this size can be flown. Title = 4,=20 United States Code, Chapter 1, Section 1 & 2, tradition and Executive = Order 10834=20 dictate the generalities. Our Flag Desecration Act that many think was = passed in "hysteria" outlined a few practices that many of this country feel had = gotten out=20 of hand. And, while I normally stay out of the political fray of this arena, let = me say=20 these things.=20 I am proud to work for the United States Government. I am proud to work for the United States Air Force Academy. I am proud to work in a state supported theatre. I am proud that we are releasing 900+ Air Force officers into the Air Force today. Most of them will become excellent leaders and the kind of young women and men that you really do want as part of our military. I am proud of my student stagehands. They frustrate me, make me angry at times and sometimes would trade them for a new surefire. =20 But they are good kids. Not Tech Olympics caliber, but hey, we are not a Liberal Arts Institution. (Air Force Academy - go figure) And while I am paid a slightly substandard wage for experience and = loyalty, that, as we have said many times on this forum, is a choice that I have = made on a daily basis for the past 25 years working for different agencies of our US Government. All in Theatre. I am now running for my nomex suit. =20 =20 Trey H=E4agen Arnold Hall Theatre USAF Academy =20 -- ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:59:29 GMT Subject: Re: American Flag Message-Id: <20060531.070034.28134.18641 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Trey, Was your Theatrical career advancement accomplished at the same rate as = if you had advanced outside a military setting? If this is the 'wrong' q= uestion, please rephrase and answer the 'right' question. Thank You, /s/ Richard ___________________________ And while I am paid a slightly substandard wage for experience and loyal= ty, that, as we have said many times on this forum, is a choice that I h= ave made on a daily basis for the past 25 years working for different ag= encies of our US Government. All in Theatre. Trey H=E4agen ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001001c684ba$fdd5ab60$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com References: Subject: Re: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:03:22 -0600 I used to train the ROTC guys at the university how to rappel. Their training was for a gig at the beginning of every home basketball game where they would drop twenty feet off the grid, lock off and then on cue pull the "kabuki" where a 30'wide Stars and Stripes would unfurl as the Pep band played. The flag did not touch the ground. until the building was empty, the floor was cleaned and the batten was lowered in so I could re-rig the trick for the next basketball game, or next training session. If you dropped the entire flag to the ground in public. Oh, buddy. You WOULD hear about it. Starting with various Veterans groups. Rob't, an "era" veteran, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Tollefson" > > > by "Joe Golden" > > > > I am looking to rent an American Flag with grommets on the top (for Kabuki > > drop) that is 30' x 20'. > ya' think it's just a little bit in bad taste? > > Jason Tollefson ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002901c684bb$cf5a9a10$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:09:19 -0700 > I am proud to work for the United States Government. > I am proud to work for the United States Air Force Academy. > I am proud to work in a state supported theatre. > I am proud that we are releasing 900+ Air Force officers into > the Air Force today. Most of them will become excellent > leaders and the kind of young women and men that you really > do want as part of our military. > I am proud of my student stagehands. Trey - Thank you. Thank you for all you do, all your stagehands do, and for all their military brethren (sistren?) do. And thanks to those that design the snazzy Air Force 'costumes.' And to those great TDs and engineers that make those big props go "whoosh" overhead. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:24:43 -0700 Subject: Re: American Flag Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <447D44BB.9407.14836EF1 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: References: Jim, Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. Like many things the appropriate handing of a flag has a vast amount of legend that is not supported by the documentation. From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG Sec. 8. Respect for flag (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. Jim Hyslop wrote: > Every time I hear an outcry about a flag being burned, I chuckle > because the ONLY way to honourably dispose of a flag is to burn it. > So, next time protesters burn your country's flag, feel proud because > they're actually giving it quite an honour. Jon Lagerquist ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DA87C.109 [at] cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:30:20 -0500 From: Art Corey Subject: Re: American Flag References:

In-Reply-To: Jim Hyslop wrote: >Every time I hear an outcry about a flag being burned, I chuckle because >the ONLY way to honourably dispose of a flag is to burn it. So, next >time protesters burn your country's flag, feel proud because they're >actually giving it quite an honour. > > Jim, I have to respectfully disagree. There is a world of difference between someone burning a flag in protest and someone burning a flag out of respect for what it stands for. The communicated intent is the real message. I can call a person an S.O.B. in a tone of voice that says "Hello, old buddy! It's good to see you!" or in another tone of voice that will make him see red. He will react to my tone of voice when I use the phrase. Simply saying "Your mother wears army boots!" doesn't make it so. In fact, it is probably a patently absurd statement, made somewhat comical because the line is out of date and has been used in lots of old cartoons. Even if you realize the statement is totally untrue and rather stupid, if you recognize by my tone of voice that my intent is to insult or hurt you, you will react accordingly. To desecrate means "to violate the sacred character of". To honor means "to show respect for". When I fly the flag in front of my house, I don't have the formal honor guard and bugle calls and posting ceremony. I simply put it up and take it down. Still, I do it with all the respect within me for everything the flag stands for. The simple fact of burning a flag is no big deal. It's just a piece of fabric being destroyed. But the tone of voice makes all the difference. Art ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2064.205.215.253.194.1149086314.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: power question From: "Bill Nelson" > On the distribution panel, it is red, black and ground (bare > copper...roughly the same gauge as the red and black). When the panel > is used in the theatre, it is wired into lugs in a 400 amp service...we > don't use all the lugs obviously. The cable is flex. The service also > has blue but we don't use it. Hm. Is that legal? Normally, on a subpanel, there are the two hots, a neutral and an equipment ground. The neutral and ground are isolated except at the main panel. > The generator is going to be used in this system on campus at locations > where there isn't power...i.e. on the quad, outside the dining commons, > etc. The disconnect we are using currently I'd like to use for this > system. My thinking is that if we wire it correctly for the generator, > we should be able to use it in the theatre when we need the extra power. Describe how power gets from the main distribution panel to the subpanel. List wire colors and where disconnects are located. Is the subpanel permanently mounted? Are you planning to use the generator in the theatre for extra power? Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:43:02 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Jim, > > Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the > preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. > Like many things the appropriate handing of a flag has a vast amount > of legend that is not supported by the documentation. > > From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access > TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES > CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG > Sec. 8. Respect for flag > (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a > fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, > preferably by burning. > > Jim Hyslop wrote: > Wow! I've just been reading (prompted by the topic) through the USC as above and MAN is it strict!!! From an outsiders POV, it seems a little excessive, but hey - who am I to critique another country's pride? We Brits have been masters of pomp & ceremony for hundreds of years, but whilst I believe most true Brits would voluntarily give our flag(s) the respect that it/they deserve, I'm pretty sure we don't have anything like the stipulations listed in your USC. Yes, there is a right & wrong way to hang or fly our flag(which soooo many people get wrong (because they know no different!) but that's down to a lack of education. And yes, if someone were to publicly defile the cloth, then there would most certainly be outrage, but nothing it seems to compete with the USC! TD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: power question From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mike, First it sounds as though your house electrician has put together a distro for you but really isn't built correctly to feed 120V dimmers. A proper distro feed would be four wires. Two Hot legs, a neutral, and a ground. It sounds like currently your electrician is either using ground as neutral and possibly a combined ground or he is using bare copper as ground and red as the neutral. Regardless you have to figure out how the output of the distro is wired before you can solve your input wiring situation. Remember a miswire could kill the dimmers, lamps, and people. Beyond that there are two other issues. First flex is a pain in the rear to deal with and can become unsafe from the cable chafing in the metal jacket from handling. You need to change this out to rated flexible cable for safety and ease of handling/setup. Second is that those small generators are not very stable in the frequency department. This means that the generator might not like the dimmers and the dimmers might not like the generator. Essentially those generators have a mechanical governor that keep the engine running at the correct speed which keeps the frequency stable. As the loads shift the engine will speed up and slow down accordingly. Generally there is a small shift in frequency when this happens. As you dim lights up and down the load shifts and the generator will compensate for the change in loads. The problem you run into is if the frequency gets unstable, out of the tolerances the dimmers can handle, the dimmers have trouble finding the zero cross point of the sine wave and start firing almost randomly. When this happens your loads begin shifting randomly and the generator never will stabilize until you remove the load (pull the dimmers to 0%). If you are doing slow fades this might not be an issue while fast fades may be very problematic. You might want to extensively test your generator with your system before you put it on a high profile event. Good Luck! Greg Persinger on 5/31/06 6:10 AM, Mike Burnett at mburnett [at] huntington.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, our university electrician is on vacation until next week, but as always, > this is a pressing matter. > > We purchased a generator to power some portable lighting for various needs on > campus. It is one of those whole house generators...17500 sustained watts, > 22500 peak watts. We have a distribution box to power our portable dimmers > that we tie into our house power when we need more dimmers. These are > Lightronics AS40D (4 dimmers per 20amp circuit). The feed to the distribution > panel is 3 wire, red, black and ground. The feed from the new generator is 4 > wire, white, red, black, and ground. > > Is there way to merge these 2 existing systems? Can I take the 4 pin plug > from the generator and wire it into my 3 wire system (bypassing the white). > Should I re-wire my existing box to 4 wire? Thoughts?? > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200605311458.k4VEw1Ir012621 [at] omr2.networksolutionsemail.com> From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:57:45 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: I think "drop" is the term causing confusion here. There is a "drop" as in a backdrop, which most of us think of first. And there is "drop" as in a Kabuki drop where the curtain used (in this case, an American flag) is literally dropped to the ground to reveal what is behind rather than flying or traveling. The issue here is whether it is appropriate to literally drop a large American flag onto the ground. As for bad taste? My personal response is no - it's not. The flag is just a piece of fabric that is a symbol for something greater and larger than the fabric itself. The fabric is meaningless - it's the ideas behind that cloth symbol that have value. In a production of God's Country I designed, I burnt an 18' tall cross nightly on stage. Bad taste to most? Probably. But did it get the reaction from the audience we wanted? Oh yes! But a bigger question than OUR opinion is how will your audience react? I know if I did it here, I would get a firestorm of bad mail and lose subscribers. So be sure to think about the long term effects this effect may cause. Also, you may have trouble finding someone to loan you a flag once they know you plan on dropping it to the ground (repeatedly?). Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:05 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: American Flag For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > I am looking to rent an American Flag with grommets on the top > (for Kabuki > > drop) that is 30' x 20'. Any ideas? I am in Southern California. > > TIA > > You know, I've never considered myself one of the ultra-patriotic > types but are you really wanting to do an American flag kabuki drop? > While I can appreciate the visual impact of such a gag, don't ya' > think it's just a little bit in bad taste? > > Jason Tollefson > Hmmm.... And I, being a non-American yet fairly patriotic Brit-type, am curious why you might see that as an issue....? With the utmost respect, of course. I mean, the dramatic unfurling of a nation's flag doesn't strike me as being anything sinister, or OTT, so just wond'rin'.... TD ------------------------------ Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4DE9 [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> From: "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" Richard asks: Was your Theatrical career advancement accomplished at the same rate as = if you had advanced outside a military setting? If this is the 'wrong' = question, please rephrase and answer the 'right' question.=20 I like to think not. I would postulate that most folk on this list = believe their time, skills, knowledge and loyalty Are more valuable to them, than what managegment will openly admit or = pay. Trey H=E4agen Arnold Hall Theatre USAF Academy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:17:26 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: AFAIC you have no reason to run for your nomex suit. Whether or not I agree with your politics is not the issue. The fact that you are proud of what you do and you take the time and care to make sure your job is done right is plenty good enough for me. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 5/31/06 9:17 AM, "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" wrote: > And, while I normally stay out of the political fray of this arena, let me say > these things. > > I am proud to work for the United States Government. > I am proud to work for the United States Air Force Academy. > I am proud to work in a state supported theatre. > I am proud that we are releasing 900+ Air Force officers into > the Air Force today. Most of them will become excellent > leaders and the kind of young women and men that you really > do want as part of our military. > I am proud of my student stagehands. They frustrate me, make me angry > at times and sometimes would trade them for a new surefire. > But they are good kids. Not Tech Olympics caliber, but hey, we are > not a Liberal Arts Institution. (Air Force Academy - go figure) > And while I am paid a slightly substandard wage for experience and loyalty, > that, as we have said many times on this forum, is a choice that I have > made on a daily basis for the past 25 years working for different > agencies of our US Government. All in Theatre. > > I am now running for my nomex suit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:21:11 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Man. Are they cool or what??? I really want one. On 5/31/06 10:09 AM, "Jon Ares" wrote: > And to > those great TDs and engineers that make those big props go "whoosh" > overhead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:59:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Next generation control surface? In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060531085458.01ee8cb0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 08:41 PM 5/30/2006, Herrick Goldman wrote: >My Star Tac cell phone worked like Kirk's communicator. We were helping out with a public appearance of one of the original Star Trek Bridge Crew many years back. He had some health problems and was supposed to check in with his wife, so I handed him my new Motorola Flip Phone (the original grey one). He didn't have a clue how to use it. We all found it amusing that an Enterprise crew member couldn't use a phone based on their communicator. I showed him how to use it, wish I'd had a camera. :) I was good and didn't give out his private home number (from my call log) to any of the fans. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DBDCF.9080908 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:19 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Man. Are they cool or what??? I really want one. Complete with pyrotechnics? >:-> -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:03:17 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You betcha! On 5/31/06 12:01 PM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Sapsis wrote: >> Man. Are they cool or what??? I really want one. > > Complete with pyrotechnics? >:-> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:04:22 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: American Flag In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060531090138.01edd448 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 04:11 AM 5/31/2006, Bill Nelson wrote: >But, if I recall correctly, our congress just >recently passed a "Flag desecration act". From their hysteria, you would >think that cutting up a flag is the same thing as cutting the arms and >legs off a living person. Hmmm....since the roll of First Class Mail stamps I have here has the American Flag on them, does that mean the US Postal Service is desecrating the flag when they stamp black ink all over it? Also, what are we supposed to do with all the envelopes when we're done with them, have a funeral for them? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DBF17.5080207 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:06:47 -0700 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: Re: American flag References: In-Reply-To: Joe, We have one in stock that is 24'x42' . Grommets on all four sides. Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:14:41 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Hmmm....since the roll of First Class Mail stamps I have here has the > American Flag on them, does that mean the US Postal Service is > desecrating the flag when they stamp black ink all over it? Also, > what are we supposed to do with all the envelopes when we're done > with them, have a funeral for them? > /tongue in cheek/ surely a funeral pyre would be fitting..............? \tongue OUT of cheek\ ------------------------------ From: "Joe Golden" Subject: RE: American flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:22:37 -0700 Message-ID: In-reply-to: Thanks to all that answered my original question. And thanks for all the things to think about... Joe ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DC36E.8020706 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:25:18 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: Jon Lagerquist wrote: >>Jim, >> >>Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the >>preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. Thanks for the correction. Tony Deeming wrote: > We Brits ... > Yes, there is a right & wrong way to hang or fly our flag(which soooo many > people get wrong (because they know no different!) but that's down to a lack > of education. Yes, the Union Jack is so close to being symmetrical that it is easy to confuse top and bottom (or even not realize that there is an "up"). OTOH, I do remember quite well the 1992 World Series Game in Atlanta. The Toronto Blue Jays had made it to the series, and at the second game the USMC colour guard carried the Canadian flag upside down. To their credit, the USMC and President Bush quickly apologized, and the USMC insisted that it would be their honour to carry the flag (correctly) for the remaining games. Some Canadians got quite upset about it, but I saw it as an honest mistake (besides, I imagine somebody got the duty of cleaning toilets with a toothbrush for several weeks as a result :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DC496.5080106 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:30:14 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: American Flag References:

In-Reply-To: Art Corey wrote: > I have to respectfully disagree. There is a world of difference between > someone burning a flag in protest and someone burning a flag out of > respect for what it stands for. The communicated intent is the real > message. That is true. However, I find that choosing to see it the other way helps ease the sting of the intended insult. Kinda like the old "sticks and stones may break my bones" line - yes, the names do hurt, but you aren't going to let your antagonist know that, are you? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c684d7$0376cbf0$b00b0a0a [at] Rattys> In-reply-to: There is a VERY specific and formal method for properly disposing of the flag through burning. Simply torching it and waving it around doesn't qualify. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:29 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: American Flag For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see Every time I hear an outcry about a flag being burned, I chuckle because the ONLY way to honourably dispose of a flag is to burn it. So, next time protesters burn your country's flag, feel proud because they're actually giving it quite an honour. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:53:04 -0400 From: Richard Wolpert Subject: RE: power question In-reply-to: Message-id: This is not something that can safely or intelligently be solved online. Get a licensed electrician to take a look at it. Hopefully someone used to the sorts of situations that a theatrical production entails. There are all sorts of issues here including... grounding, grounding and neutral for a separately derived system, proper cable type, ground fault ( it is used outside ), service voltage v. generator voltage, connectors, etc. You don't want to "wire it correctly for the generator". You want to wire it correctly. Period. To paraphrase the ad ... if working on this lasts more than 4 hours, seek professional help Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447DE542.1040104 [at] idworld.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:38 -0500 From: wyn Subject: rental houses in Reno or Carson City Nevada I am looking for a lighting rental house in either Reno or Carson City Nevada feel free to e-mail me on or off list Darrell Friedrich AV Event Services Quote of the week Batman fights eagles (Devyn age 3) aren't kids great ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:53:08 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/31/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Where I came from a Kabuki drop ultimately allows the entire > drop/flag/whatever to drop to the floor, usually revealing something behind > it. I'm not sure where the furl and unfurl parts have come in. Bill - I think that "Kabuki drop" has become more a description of the method used to trigger a "drop" then the actual effect of a drop falling at once to the ground. In a furl/unfurl drop the fabric would be rolled or fan-folded from the bottom up and then a short muslin bag (think snow bag) or other method of securing the drop would hold the rolled/folded drop up. The short bag would be kabuki-ed on one side. When the kabuki is trigged, the bag falls and the fabric drops or unfurls to the bottom. Like a balloon drop. The top of the fabric drop can also be kabuki-ed and fall away if desired. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Gluing Plexi Message-ID: From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:57:04 -0400 I need to make a 4' 9" diameter by 1' deep snow cylinder (rather than snow globe). Does anybody have any suggestions on adhesives to use to glue the plexi together? I tried the archives but only got error messages, so please forgive me if this has been asked and answered before. thanks Chip Haas Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina at Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:04:33 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Proving once again that we are an industry separated by a common language. Thanks Bill S ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 5/31/06 3:53 PM, "Brian Munroe" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 5/31/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: >> Where I came from a Kabuki drop ultimately allows the entire >> drop/flag/whatever to drop to the floor, usually revealing something behind >> it. I'm not sure where the furl and unfurl parts have come in. > > Bill - I think that "Kabuki drop" has become more a description of the > method used to trigger a "drop" then the actual effect of a drop > falling at once to the ground. > > In a furl/unfurl drop the fabric would be rolled or fan-folded from > the bottom up and then a short muslin bag (think snow bag) or other > method of securing the drop would hold the rolled/folded drop up. The > short bag would be kabuki-ed on one side. When the kabuki is trigged, > the bag falls and the fabric drops or unfurls to the bottom. Like a > balloon drop. > > The top of the fabric drop can also be kabuki-ed and fall away if desired. > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:19:40 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Gluing Plexi In-Reply-To: References: > I need to make a 4' 9" diameter by 1' deep snow cylinder (rather than snow > globe). Does anybody have any suggestions on adhesives to use to glue the > plexi together? > > I tried the archives but only got error messages, so please forgive me if > this has been asked and answered before. I've done this. Built a 3' diameter, 18" high 8-sided diamond outta plexi a few years ago. But, alas, my mental archives are a little gummed up as well. I *think* I used methyl methacrylate. I have no idea where I found out about its use as an adhesive for clear acrylic, though if I've got time (and you do as well) I might be able to dig through some really old email archive files of mine for some leads. I *do* remember that it is of extreme importance to make the edges to be "glued" (it's really a very thin watery solvent that welds the acrylic pieces together) as straight as humanly possible. The methyl methacrylate gets applied with an extremely narrow pipette, and capillary action sucks it into the joint. It doesn't take long to set once it's applied, and you've only got a very narrow window of opportunity to adjust placement before it either sets or--during movement--too much of the solvent evaporates. Make sure the pieces are clean! And if what's left of my memory serves, it's not really an inhalation hazard *at the amounts I was using*. (And no, those two clauses aren't really related.) A little bit of gluing work like this in a reasonably-ventilated shop is fairly innocuous. HTH. Let me know if you need me to dig some more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:31:09 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1465407853.20060531163109 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Gluing Plexi In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, May 31, 2006, Christopher Haas wrote: > Does anybody have any suggestions on adhesives to use to glue plexi? The company from whence the plexi comes will have an appropriate adhesive. Be warned that the edges of the plexi must be VERY closely fitted, as the adhesive relies on capillary action to be drawn into the joint. You might investigate the cost of the plexi supplier machining the edges for you, since they have the equipment to make fine joinery. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060531205213.43877.qmail [at] web51711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: AV Companies in Los Angeles, CA In-Reply-To: Looking for reliable AV companies in Los Angeles, CA. e-mail me off-line at laza1 [at] dyventive.com Thanks, Norman Lazarus >>Insert witty signature line here<< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <464.25a6c04.31af60b0 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:12:16 EDT Subject: Re: Next generation control surface? In a message dated 5/31/06 11:54:52 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com writes: << We have been discussing this for some time on the Show Control list - see my sig for more info and to look at the archives. >> Just what is a 'control surface'? By me, it's a panel with a lot of faders, and, for sound, al lot of ancilliary controls. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <389.492c2a3.31af6489 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:28:41 EDT Subject: Re: power question In a message dated 5/31/06 1:11:04 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, mburnett [at] huntington.edu writes: << We purchased a generator to power some portable lighting for various needs on campus. It is one of those whole house generators...17500 sustained watts, 22500 peak watts. We have a distribution box to power our portable dimmers that we tie into our house power when we need more dimmers. These are Lightronics AS40D (4 dimmers per 20amp circuit). The feed to the distribution panel is 3 wire, red, black and ground. The feed from the new generator is 4 wire, white, red, black, and ground. Is there way to merge these 2 existing systems? Can I take the 4 pin plug from the generator and wire it into my 3 wire system (bypassing the white). Should I re-wire my existing box to 4 wire? Thoughts?? >> Well, yes, but as a caveat, I am not very familiar with your US colour codes. What you have is a single-phase feed,, and what your generator is offering is a three-phase feed. These come in two sorts, star and delta. If it's star connected, there is no serious problem: Any live leg to the neutral is the equivalent of a single-phase supply. Should it be delta connected, it is more difficult, since there is no neutral. A professional electrician is called for, here. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42f.2f6ff17.31af68a5 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:46:13 EDT Subject: Re: American Flag In a message dated 5/31/06 1:31:46 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: << > Well, you wouldn't think so. But, if I recall correctly, our congress just > recently passed a "Flag desecration act". From their hysteria, you would > think that cutting up a flag is the same thing as cutting the arms and > legs off a living person. >> Perhaps it is because you have no other national symbol. Presidents come; presidents go. For better or for worse, we Brits have a monarchy. Criticise it if you will, but ir provides the continuity that you ascribe to your natioinal flag. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3c0.31c95ac.31af6b90 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:58:40 EDT Subject: Re: American Flag In a message dated 5/31/06 2:45:22 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << OK (I'm gonna regret this). I've a question. Going back to the original post is the problem over desecrating the flag about putting grommets onto the top of it for a Kabuki drop or the fact that it will be used in a Kabuki manner? >> OK, I#m a Brit. Just how do you desecrate a flag? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:59:10 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Gluing Plexi References: In-Reply-To: In message , Christopher Haas CEHAAS writes >I need to make a 4' 9" diameter by 1' deep snow cylinder (rather than >snow globe). Does anybody have any suggestions on adhesives to use to >glue the plexi together? Before you suffer the grief of heavy water in brittle plastic shells and the tendency to mould, it might be worth toying with the idea of the air blown polystyrene granules..... -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <$Pr6h4E6OhfEFwEW [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:07:54 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: In message , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes >OK, I#m a Brit. Just how do you desecrate a flag? You get a Union Jack, stuff it down your pants and blow squishy farts through it repeatedly while singing "God save the Queen.". -- Dex Pat the Ex Pat. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <236.b52113b.31af6eff [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:19 EDT Subject: Re: American Flag In a message dated 5/31/06 6:26:11 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: << >>Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the >>preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. Thanks for the correction. >> Why, just why, does any one think that the American Flag is of the slightest interest or importance to anyone? ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:49:25 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > In a message dated 5/31/06 6:26:11 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, > theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: > > << >>Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the > >>preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. > > Thanks for the correction. >> > > Why, just why, does any one think that the American Flag is of > the slightest > interest or importance to anyone? > Er, Frank.... As one Brit to another, I reckon you're treading on VERY diy ground here! It's plain that for whatever reasons the left-ponders treat their national cloth with far greater reverence than most nations. I respect our own flags fair enough, but whilst I also feel that the US may go down a strange road with theirs, I reckon we should respect that (to a point!) TD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:47:11 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I can't believe that you are so ignorant to make a statement like that. As a decorated war veteran, I could give you a myriad of reasons. As a person who lost seven dear, close friends in Vietnam, oh crap, why bother. You would never understand anyway. Steve > From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:19 EDT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: American Flag > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 5/31/06 6:26:11 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, > theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: > > << >>Close but not exactly correct. Burning in a dignified manner is the >>> preferred method but not the exclusive option for destroying a flag. > > Thanks for the correction. >> > > Why, just why, does any one think that the American Flag is of the slightest > interest or importance to anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:55:36 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 5/31/06 5:46 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > Perhaps it is because you have no other national symbol. Presidents come; > presidents go. For better or for worse, we Brits have a monarchy. Criticise it > if > you will, but ir provides the continuity that you ascribe to your natioinal > flag. I haven't seen or heard anyone from this list criticize the Monarchy, the Union Jack or warm beer, for that matter. And then he said... >Why, just why, does any one think that the American Flag is of the slightest >interest or importance to anyone? Because, *** ****, people have been discussing it in a heated but civilized manner. A hint, as Tony mentioned. You are on very thin ice here. If you have an opinion about it that's one thing, but to assume that no one should give a damn is just wrong. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:06:04 -0400 Message-ID: <03af01c6850f$2c9edc10$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > > Because, *** ****, people have been discussing it in a heated > but civilized manner. > I have spent several minutes conjuring options for "*** ****". It's fun! Bu lets NOT get into it here. Sometimes it's better to NOT have an ice breaker. :) Jim www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:52:04 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/31/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Proving once again that we are an industry separated by a common language. > > Thanks No problem. Now when you finish with the kabuki drop, be sure and west coast it for storage :) Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c6851e$82e1d870$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Aaron Sorkin wrote this for President Andrew Shepherd in the movie "The American President": "America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta = want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood = boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you have spent a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want = to claim this land is the land of the free? Then the symbol of your = country cannot just be a flag; the symbol has to be one of its citizens = exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that. Defend that. Celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing = about the land of the free.' "...We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to = solve them.' ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:11:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c68529$094b21f0$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: Hear, hear! Laura 972-333-5016 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey > E. Salzberg > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:56 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: American Flag > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Aaron Sorkin wrote this for President Andrew Shepherd in the movie "The > American President": > > "America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want > it > bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free > speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood > boil, > who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that > which you have spent a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to > claim this land is the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country > cannot just be a flag; the symbol has to be one of its citizens > exercising > his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that. Defend that. > Celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about > the land of the free.' > > > "...We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve > them.' ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060531203445.mn23t8os80k4osc4 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:34:45 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: My question is, Why can't we elect a president from a movie, or TV? For example; Dave... "What do I do? I get people jobs" Andrew Shepard... As stated below. And of course Jed Bartlet... "I am not comfortable with violence. I know this country has enemies but I don't feel violent towards any of them." Rant for the day, Mark-O Quoting "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Aaron Sorkin wrote this for President Andrew Shepherd in the movie "The > American President": > > "America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it > bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free > speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, > who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that > which you have spent a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to > claim this land is the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country > cannot just be a flag; the symbol has to be one of its citizens exercising > his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that. Defend that. > Celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about > the land of the free.' > > > "...We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve > them.' Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile http://www.myspace.com/marko66 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:01:01 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: References:

> Aaron Sorkin wrote this for President Andrew Shepherd in the movie "The > American President": And this, dear friends, is why Aaron Sorkin makes a pretty good living writing screenplays, and why I don't. So I'm not gonna say nothin' more 'bout it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1292.205.215.254.102.1149144337.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: power question From: "Bill Nelson" > What you have is a single-phase feed,, and what your generator is offering > is > a three-phase feed. These come in two sorts, star and delta. If it's star > connected, there is no serious problem: Any live leg to the neutral is the > equivalent of a single-phase supply. I disagree. The color coding is for a standard 120/240 volt split phase feed. White is the common and green is the equipment ground. The generator described is for "emergency power" and provides about enough power to power a average household, assuming they do not have such "watt guzzlers" as radiant electric heating. If it were three phase, there would be a blue conductor as well. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #828 *****************************