Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30792627; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:31:40 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #830 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:28:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #830 1. NHL hockey/American flag by Steve Larson 2. Searching Archives / rope light by David Wilson 3. Re: Gluing Plexi by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 4. Re: textbooks by SS 5. Re: Searching Archives / rope light by "Abby Downing" 6. panic buttons by 7. American Flag by b Ricie 8. Re: American Flag by SS 9. simple way to understand the American Flag by b Ricie 10. VW Lighting Symbols by "Delbert Hall" 11. Re: American Flag by Loren Schreiber 12. Re: simple way to understand the American Flag by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: simple way to understand the American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 15. Hello from cincinnati, looking for a Good Props person by "Stirling Shelton" 16. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by "C. Andrew Dunning" 17. Re: panic buttons by "Paul Sanow" 18. Re: simple way to understand the American Flag by "Paul Schreiner" 19. Re: panic buttons by 20. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by Noah Price 21. Re: textbooks by "Salvatori, Jason" 22. shop floor by "Jonathan S. Deull" 23. Re: shop floor by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 24. Re: shop floor by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: American Flag by CB 26. Re: shop floor by 27. Re: shop floor by "Josh Ratty" 28. Re: American Flag by CB 29. Re: American Flag by CB 30. Re: textbooks and CADD by 31. Re: Next generation control surface? by CB 32. Re: American Flag by CB 33. Re: American Flag by CB 34. It always comes back to beer (was: Re: American Flag) by CB 35. Re: shop floor by "Maurice Moe Conn" 36. Re: textbooks and CADD by "Michael Diederich" 37. Moving Light Road Cases by "Lon Butcher" 38. Re: American Flag by Stephen Litterst 39. Re: American Flag by Michael Denison 40. Re: American Flag by "C. Andrew Dunning" 41. Re: textbooks by SS 42. Re: Moving Light Road Cases by Greg Persinger 43. Re: American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 44. Re: American Flag by Jim Hyslop 45. Re: shop floor by Davy Davis 46. Re: NHL hockey/American flag by Jim Hyslop 47. Re: NHL hockey/American flag by Bill Sapsis 48. Re: Next generation control surface? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 49. Re: American Flag (meaning) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 50. Re: Next generation control surface? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 51. Re: NHL hockey/American flag by Jim Hyslop 52. Re: American Flag by Clive Mitchell 53. Re: American Flag by Herrick Goldman 54. Re: NHL hockey/American flag by Bill Sapsis 55. theatrical theatre advances.. by Jonbielich [at] aol.com 56. Re: theatrical theatre advances.. by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 57. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 58. Re: Moving Light Road Cases by "Brandon Slokowski" 59. Re: American Flag by Herrick Goldman 60. Re: American Flag (meaning) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 61. Re: American Flag by Stephen Litterst 62. Re: shop floor by "RD" 63. Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 64. Re: shop floor by "Brian Munroe" 65. Re: shop floor by Bill Sapsis 66. living left, was Re: American Flag by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 67. Re: living left, was Re: American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 68. Re: living left, was Re: American Flag by Bill Sapsis 69. Re: shop floor by "Jon Ares" 70. Rather than the Flag Debate by Herrick Goldman 71. Re: American Flag by "Jon Ares" 72. Re: living left, was Re: American Flag by Herrick Goldman 73. Re: living left, was Re: American Flag by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 74. Re: simple way to understand the American Flag by NODEraser 75. Re: shop floor by NODEraser 76. Re: shop floor by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 77. Re: Moving Light Road Cases by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 78. Re: American Flag (meaning) by "Michael Powers" 79. Re: theatrical theatre advances.. by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 80. Re: Searching Archives / rope light by Dale Farmer *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:39:03 -0400 Subject: NHL hockey/American flag From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK, I've hesitated until now to post anything about the fantastic series just completed. My hats off to a fine Buffalo hockey team, a coach who is not afraid to step a bit over the blue line early, and who is a magnificent motivator. I think the best series of the whole shebang just ended. The only thing that really ties my knickers in a knot were the Buffalo fans who came down for the games. NOT the Buffalo fans who relocated here in recent years. They trashed everything they could, they broke glasses and bottles against the arena and the one thing that I won't tolerate from anyone, they jeered and booed during the national anthem. As a result of their ill-advised activities, many were arrested, jailed, booted out of the game, and left Raleigh with police records. I have many friends who have relocated here from Buffalo. We tailgate together and enjoy discussing the game and the strategies. The drunk rowdies who tried to spoil everyone's fun can stay in Buffalo. You are the losers. I have many Buffalo friends who are winners and I'm just fine with them. As for commenting further about the American flag- it is a symbol for me of my freedoms. My friends and relatives and I fought for them and I value them deeply. If you can't understand this, then I question your values. Period. Steve > From: > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:09:22 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Gluing Plexi > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > No problem. > > Go Sabres ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <021B705E-FFDE-4E8F-A88A-F5025F182073 [at] brandeis.edu> From: David Wilson Subject: Searching Archives / rope light Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:56:27 -0400 Is there a way to search the archives? I keep getting frozen out when I make the attempt. I'd search the archive for an answer to this question, but,... I'm looking for sources for rope light anyone has used *recently*. I've been to over a couple dozen web sites, and it seems a lot of what I'm looking for has been discontinued and is unavailable, though no one's bothered to update their sites. It's due to new UL regs that came out in '02 I believe. I was looking for 5 wire 4 circuit, Red,Blue,Green,Amber, preferably in 16' sections which is what I used previously. connects with a square molex plug. I might have to go to spools of one color if I can't find it, which would be 4x the cost, obviously. David Wilson Brandeis Theater Company Brandeis University Waltham, MA ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Gluing Plexi Message-ID: From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Thanks Clive, I guess I should have been clearer. We are doing the snow effect by blowing styrofoam with fans, I just need to create an airtight cylinder without any visible framing. Chip Haas Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina at Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606020638s727ab15l668d399dc2c5f5cf [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:38:53 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: textbooks In-Reply-To: References: > I have been asked to teach an intro level scenic design class and a > drafting 2 class (intro to CAD via Vectorworks) class next semester. > I know there are many folks here in an academic environment and it > has been a long time since I thought about textbooks. > Is there a CAD textbook? > > Lynn Pecktal's first book is long out of print. I would like to > suggest "The Dramatic Imagination" by RE Jones, but that too seems > OOP. I am considering the concept part of Linda Essig's lighting text > for the scenic designers. Yes, there is a CAD text. Several actually. Sadly, I no longer have a copy of the one I acquired some years back. So I guess I can be of no service to you there. Sorry. Pecktal's book is great, and as you stated, sadly out of print. A halfway decent intro book is the good ole' "Scene Design & Lighting" text by Parker/Wolf/Block. It's a bit more heavy on the "concepts" than the "practical app". However, Gillette's "Theatrical Design & Production" text is, IMO, an even better book, and is a little more straight forward with "practical app" and less heavy-handed on "concept". Both cover the topics equally and fairly sufficiently, but putting myself in the position of a young reader trying to learn the material for the first time (and as someone who has used both texts in teaching) I think Gillette's book is a more comfortable/easy read. "Scene Design--A Guide to the Stage" by Nelm (?) I hear is halfway decent as well. Never read it though. Anywho, HTH. Just my .02 -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. " ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Searching Archives / rope light Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA3F7CDD [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" "I'm looking for sources for rope light anyone has used *recently*." Try searching Wide Loyal Development's site: http://www.wideloyal.com/index.php They're a Chinese company that has offices in Canada and the US, among other places. They have very good products, in my experience. =20 Good luck! -Abby =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060602134438.57254.qmail [at] web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: panic buttons Yesterday as I was leaving work I went to turn off the house lights with one of my 3 panic buttons around the space. When I pressed the off button nothing happened. I then tried the other 2 and then I tried the preset stations that override the panic buttons. Still nothing. I called the manager at my sister theater to see if this had happened to him. He said that it happened to him once because lightning hit his building and burned one the stations. I thought this could also be the case with me because it was storming just before quiting time. I went back to my dimmer rack and just shut the whole thing down and went home. Today I came in turned the rack on and everything works fine. Today is also the first day that the humidity level in my theater has been below 75%. The last several days the humidity was more like 80-90something all day. I noticed that the front cover of my owners manual says that the maximum operating range for humidity is 90%. My question to the list is this problem one that could come around after several days of high humidity or do I have a bigger problem with my control system? I know I have a bigger problem with my A/C and the service tech should be here 10 minutes ago. (phone ringing) Service tech is an hour behind. Oh well. If it helps I have an EDI MX dimmer rack and the analog controls are also from EDI. Thanks Ken Z ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060602135226.18568.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: American Flag In-Reply-To: I am a self proclaimed flag lover, and my favorite color is red, white and blue. I am also surprised that no one mentioned that the American Flag is an ever changing all inclusive symbol. It Began as 13 stars and stripes to represent the 13 colonies. The 13 stripes remain to represent our humble beginnings and stars have been added as territories became states. The flag may change again if GW decides he wants another state. It represents us, the U.S. as in United States. United... As a "melting pot" we do not have a national language, religion, or too much in common to unite us, other than the thread of red, white and blue. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606020702kc6d71b1qc1664b2015d1cfba [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:02:33 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>As a "melting pot" we do not have a national language, religion, or too much in common to unite us<<<< Sure we do. As it were.... Spanish, Catholicism, and Chain Eatery's. :) (Them's just jokes--folks. Albiet bad ones, but nonetheless...jokes!) -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. " ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060602140627.24442.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: simple way to understand the American Flag In-Reply-To: This is a simple exercise for better understanding of national symbols like the American Flag 1. Decide you want to be your own nation 2. Let your intention be know to whatever country you wish to secede from. 3. Design a flag. 4. Raise said flag over your fortress (read house). 5. Defend said flag night and day for a few years. 6. (this is the tough one) Be victorious in your fight. When you have completed steps 1-6 think again about what your flag might mean to you. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:11:27 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: VW Lighting Symbols I have bitten the bullet and I am beginning to learn VW (12). I know that there was a discussion here a while back about lighting symbols for VW and I remember that Patrick Immel had a CAD library of symbols for VW, but when I try to link to it I get a "Forbidden" message. Patrick - can you help me out? Anyone else have an lighting symbols? Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060602070720.04878bf0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:17:33 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: References: I think most human beings want to look up to something. We don't have a monarch to look up to (Britain, Japan, etc.); we don't have a strongman government insisting we look up to the Fearless Leader(s) (North Korea, China, etc.); we have no state supported religion so no near-godlike clergy to look up to (Iran, uh, Italy, etc.); so we Americans invest our flag with those respectable qualities. It's something bigger than ourselves. And sometimes we all need something bigger than ourselves. And sometimes it can backfire. Like the scorpion said, "It's my nature." Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Subject: RE: simple way to understand the American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C97 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > This is a simple exercise for better understanding of > national symbols like the American Flag >=20 > 1. Decide you want to be your own nation Problem with this analogy is, nobody has fought here "for their freedom" since...well, militarily, not since 1865. Others fought and died for freedom here in the 60s...but in marches and protests during the Civil Rights Movement. And I don't think the American flag has quite the same symbolic meaning there. At no time in the interim has any battle ever been fought defending the US borders from an invading force, none ever waged in a fight to keep our freedom. Alliances, protection of sphere of influence, international policing, paranoia, economics...all these things have cost lives. But not any fights for freedom. (Remember that comment I made yesterday about the use of buzzwords?) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <018c01c6864f$9f9183d0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: I have lighting symbols for ETC, Strand (old and new), Selecon, Altman (old and new -- including SpectraPARs), Colortran, and others at: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm They're available in DWG, DXF, and PDF formats -- should be easy to create VW symbols from one of those. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: simple way to understand the American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: <018d01c6864f$e71a59c0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > At no time in the interim has any battle ever been fought > defending the US borders from an invading force, New Mexico. 19...I wanna say...1916. Pershing vs. Pancho Villa. ------------------------------ From: "Stirling Shelton" Subject: Hello from cincinnati, looking for a Good Props person Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00b101c68650$22f3da70$caae2ac0 [at] playhouse.local> Properties Carpenter Job responsibilities will include: . Building Props for Productions . Wood, Metal, Plastic Construction . Web searches for new materials . Good eye for color, proportions period and style. . Experience with computer graphic software . Experience with mold making and casting . Must have a valid driver's license and reliable transportation. . Outside shopping as needed The Cincinnati Playhouse in the Park seeks an individual for the position of Properties Carpenter. Applicants should have a minimum of five years professional experience in a similar position. Extensive knowledge of wood and metal construction is a must. The successful candidate will have proven skills in finish work and furniture building. Must be able to work with a variety of personalities in pressured situations and maintain flexibility. Must be able to work independently in a very clean and accurate way. Position includes vacation and benefits. Position begins July 17, 2006. The Cincinnati Playhouse has an annual budget in excess of $10 million, operates both LORT B+ and C theaters, and is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Please respond immediately with letter, resume and three references to: Stirling Shelton Technical Director Cincinnati Playhouse in the Park 2827 Gilbert AVe Cincinnati, OH 45206 Office: 513-345-2255, ext 302 Stirling.Shelton [at] cincyplay.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:31:01 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Delbert - >Anyone else have an lighting symbols? I have a few posted [at] www.landrudesign.com/Downloads_Main.htm. While by no means even close to being a "library," they might at least give you an idea of one approach. There are also a couple of tools and a template that you might find to be helpful. Even if you don't like the template itself, it does contain several scripts that I've found to be quite helpful over the years. Happy learning...! C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com landrudesign [at] earthlink.net www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: panic buttons Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > -----Original Message----- snip > because it was storming just before quiting time. I went=20 > back to my dimmer rack and just shut the whole thing down and=20 > went home. It could just be that the dimmer rack was in need a restart. I don't know how involved the processor electronics are in driving the panic (some racks panic drives direct to dimmers, others depend on the processor). Especially after storms and power outages a power cycle usually will help a dimmer rack. Just like restarting your pc when it goes flaky. > Today I came in turned the rack on and everything works fine.=20 > Today is also the first day that the humidity level in my=20 > theater has been below 75%. The last several days the=20 > humidity was more like 80-90something all day. I noticed=20 > that the front cover of my owners manual says that the=20 > maximum operating range for humidity is 90%. My question to=20 > the list is this problem one that could come around after=20 > several days of high humidity or do I have a bigger problem=20 I suppose you could have a humidity problem. Humidity problems are more likely to effect a control console in my experience. It might depend on the specific equipment involved. Personally I'd keep and eye on it and see if the problem reoccurs. A restart rarely hurts a dimmer rack. Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: RE: simple way to understand the American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C98 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com > > At no time in the interim has any battle ever been fought > > defending the US borders from an invading force, >=20 > New Mexico. 19...I wanna say...1916. Pershing vs. Pancho Villa. Okay, forgot that one. Point is, nobody alive today has that kind of emotional attachment. It's a different beast entirely for everyone living now, and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at best. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060602144337.96816.qmail [at] web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: panic buttons In-Reply-To: I should mention that before I gave up yeaterday that I did shut the rack down twice for 15-30 seconds each time. Ken Z --- Paul Sanow wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > snip > > > because it was storming just before quiting time. > I went > > back to my dimmer rack and just shut the whole > thing down and > > went home. > > It could just be that the dimmer rack was in need a > restart. I don't > know how involved the processor electronics are in > driving the panic > (some racks panic drives direct to dimmers, others > depend on the > processor). Especially after storms and power > outages a power cycle > usually will help a dimmer rack. Just like > restarting your pc when it > goes flaky. > > > Today I came in turned the rack on and everything > works fine. > > Today is also the first day that the humidity > level in my > > theater has been below 75%. The last several days > the > > humidity was more like 80-90something all day. I > noticed > > that the front cover of my owners manual says that > the > > maximum operating range for humidity is 90%. My > question to > > the list is this problem one that could come > around after > > several days of high humidity or do I have a > bigger problem > > I suppose you could have a humidity problem. > Humidity problems are more > likely to effect a control console in my experience. > It might depend on > the specific equipment involved. Personally I'd > keep and eye on it and > see if the problem reoccurs. A restart rarely hurts > a dimmer rack. > > Paul > > *********************************************************** > Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com > Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com > Vincent Lighting Systems > > > 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 > Erlanger, KY 41018 > > (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 > *********************************************************** > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:48:26 -0700 On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Delbert Hall wrote: > I have bitten the bullet and I am beginning to learn VW (12). ... > Anyone else have an lighting symbols? Did you also look at Spotlight? That includes a large symbol library. Steve Shelley offers a set for Vectorworks: http:// www.fieldtemplate.com/soft/softcopy.html Sam Jones "AutoPlot" is an alternative to Spotlight (came first, actually) which includes symbols: http://www.autoplotvw.com/ Noah ------------------------------ Subject: RE: textbooks Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:21:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Salvatori, Jason" > However, Gillette's "Theatrical Design & >Production" text is, IMO, an even better book, and is a little more >straight forward with "practical app" and less heavy-handed on >"concept". Both cover the topics equally and fairly sufficiently, but >putting myself in the position of a young reader trying to learn the >material for the first time (and as someone who has used both texts in >teaching) I think Gillette's book is a more comfortable/easy read. >"Scene Design--A Guide to the Stage" by Nelm (?) I hear is halfway >decent as well. I must concur - the Gillette book is the best one I've come across so=20 far, though the edition I currently have (3rd Ed.) is a little skimpy=20 on the CAD chapter. I think the newer additions add on to this area. Jason _________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail, including any attachment(s), may be confidential and is = intended solely for the attention and information of the named = addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient or have received = this message in error, please notify me immediately by return e-mail and = permanently delete the original transmission from your computer, = including any attachment(s). Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure = or copying of this message and attachment(s) by anyone other than the = recipient is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c68663$13cec4c0$6901a8c0 [at] M60> I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high = school theatre facility.=A0 This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I=92m getting = some questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea of laying a plywood deck.=A0 Any thoughts? Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c68666$991d7ab0$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root> In-Reply-To: Save the money for tools... or sound equipment... or lighting = instruments... Go concrete with drains. This way you can power wash the paint off, and don't have to worry about long term maintenance (in a high school, which undoubtedly will have trouble finding the money to replace the floor). =20 Of course there may be a really good reason for plywood which I've not considered... Anyone?=20 Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College =96 Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = Jonathan S. Deull Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: shop floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high = school theatre facility.=A0 This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I=92m getting = some questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea of laying a plywood deck.=A0 Any thoughts? Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ Subject: RE: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C99 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Of course there may be a really good reason for plywood which=20 > I've not considered... Anyone?=20 Stapling drops. Easier on the legs. Simpler attachment points for trial setups. Less fatigue. There's four to start... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602101759.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:17:59 From: CB Subject: Re: American Flag >FWIW I think Frank's question could have been phrased much more >diplomatically, but if you can answer the basic question - what makes >the flag so important - it will go a long way to helping us >non-Americans understand your passion. Flags in the past, prior to the US Flag, have been the heraldry of some guy, or representative of the power of the church (i.e., the flags of St. George, St. Patrick, and St. Andrew and combining to make up the Union Jack). The US flag was one that represented people, and their freedom. This is an emotion that has been tied to the flag since Betsy sewed it. I know, I know, she didn't. Its a comfortable fiction. Anyhoo, this emotion has been used in almost every speech made to motivate grunts in the field by guys with scrambled egg on their hats to guys with grass on their hats. The flag represents far more than the country, too. It represents an ideal. Ironically enough, it represents the right to burn the flag without recrimination. Quite the quandry for those that would defend her from dishonour to death, eh? I get all choked up about the symbolism, I'm a true believer. I could care less about any individual piece of pretty cloth, though. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:11:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jonathan, One of the nicest floors I ever worked on consisted of end grain = Southern Yellow Pine. The individual pieces of either 3"x3" or 4"x4" = could be removed if necessary w/o taking up the whole floor. The pieces = were about 3" long [high?] and glue set. Nails could be temporarily set = in the floor and then easily removed as well. The nail holes = self-healed after a while. Great floor but probably very pricey as = well. Worth a look at least. For what it's worth, my shop is concrete and at my knees and feet sure = know about it at the end of a week's work.=20 HTH, Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = Jonathan S. Deull Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:39 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: shop floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high = school theatre facility.=A0 This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I'm = getting some questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea = of laying a plywood deck.=A0 Any thoughts? Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c68667$f52c6a40$b00b0a0a [at] Rattys> In-reply-to: A plywood floor will allow you to screw down scenery and jigs. If the floor gets all mucked up with various paint, glue, etc., coat it with some backpaint, a light gray will give you a fresh surface for layout marks. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:04 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: shop floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Save the money for tools... or sound equipment... or lighting instruments... Go concrete with drains. This way you can power wash the paint off, and don't have to worry about long term maintenance (in a high school, which undoubtedly will have trouble finding the money to replace the floor). =20 Of course there may be a really good reason for plywood which I've not considered... Anyone?=20 Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College =96 Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan S. Deull Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: shop floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high school theatre facility.=A0 This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I=92m getting = some questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea of laying a plywood deck.=A0 Any thoughts? Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602102905.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:29:05 From: CB Subject: RE: American Flag >especially when a lot of those ideals are being sacrificed these >days by our corporately-elected "representatives". HEY! HEY HEY! Those corporately-elected officials are sacrificing those ideals *here* so when we wish to winter in Iran we can enjoy them *there*! Kristi, your post brought tears to my eyes. It really did. Half of them were an emotional response to those ideals that you quoted, (I really do get choked up...) and the other half were in response to the fact that those ideals are being shed by those that would protect the flag before the ideals that she represents. It was sort of a eulogy... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602103200.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:32:00 From: CB Subject: Re: American Flag >(Peering through the scope) "I can still SEE YOU!!!!" ;-)))) Prove it. What caliber rifle am I pointing back at you? ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: textbooks and CADD Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: As I look at the 5th edition the Gillette, while there a bit of computer info to be found, he disclaims the practicality of discussing specific software or hardware because the book is only updated every five years or so while the computer gack often upgrades much more frequently making his text out-of-date before it even hits the classroom. He also makes the valid point of using the instructions accompanying the software and hands-on practice as opposed to a general text for the purpose. We have now adopted the Gillette as a core text for several classes in Technical Production and design areas. Previously, it was used occasionally as an adjunct source. =20 For the teaching of hand drafting, we strongly support the use of the Dennis Dorn/Mark Shanda book, Drafting for the Theatre. We get our students used to the idea of drafting by hand first in an early one-semester class and then quickly move on to CADD using Vectorworks in subsequent stagecraft and set or lighting design classes. Our students also obtain the Backstage Handbook, The Pocket Ref, and several others by the end of their sophomore year. Most have a fairly good library when they leave here. HTH> Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Salvatori, Jason Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:22 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: textbooks I must concur - the Gillette book is the best one I've come across so far, though the edition I currently have (3rd Ed.) is a little skimpy on the CAD chapter. I think the newer additions add on to this area. Jason ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602104532.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:45:32 From: CB Subject: Re: Next generation control surface? >How anyone can presume to control any aspect of a performance without >'hands-on' faders is beyond me. Which is something that we've been trying to explain to you for quite some time now. I really prefer to use a physical fader that does the same thing all the time, every time, multiplied ad nauseum all over a huge dinner-table-full of blinkie lights and such. But using a touch sensitive/IR screen that changes the controls it displays with each and every change of screen, and is programmable to adjust every parameter from one or two screen-controllers isn't beyond me. Think of using a mouse. Instead of using a mouse on a pad, you can actually go to the screen and touch the cursor and move it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602104730.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:47:30 From: CB Subject: Re: American Flag > I can usually be found on my rollerblades with a couple of flags > sticking out of my boots. Do the Cowboy and the Construction Worker and the Indian come to the parades, too!?! (OK, sorry, that was just wrong. Butcha gotta admit, it was funny!) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602105640.00bfd5c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:56:40 From: CB Subject: Re: American Flag >> I would have thought this group would be conservative leaning > >Ack! Heavens forfend! C'mon, you've read enough of Unka Bill (thanks >for the "Alice's Restaurant" mention a few years ago, BTW) and CB Hey! Why di..?!? what...?!? oh... yeah... OK, I guess. >Conservatives tend >not to gravitate towards this as a profession, I've found. Conservatives tend to gravitate toward jobs with money. And the larger the paycheck as compared to the amount of actual work that they have to do is what makes the gig more attractive. It ain't always the case, but I could cite examples from my personal history.] Just saw 'Miracle'. Every one of the US Olympic Hockey team from 1980 have gone on to sell real estate, manage money(?), or coach hockey. I'm not sure what that means... Anyhoo, working for something that isn't tangible is *not* the American Dream (tm) as seen from the conservative side of the aisle. Not even conservatives are conservative anymore, though... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060602110019.00c08ce0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:00:19 From: CB Subject: It always comes back to beer (was: Re: American Flag) > If you are insinuating that the cold takes the flavor out of typical >American beer, you are dead wrong. There is no flavor when it's warm, >either.. Now there's a guy painting with a wide brush! Corporate American Beer sucks, but there are quite a few breweries that are in operation in this country (I think it has finally come of age?) now, and quite a few that would make any Brit feel right at home. Or German! While I still think that the UK and Germany (and Czech Republic, and Holland...) still have an edge, they *did* get a heck of a head start. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: shop floor Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:59:05 +0000 I think wood. My first thought was, What happens when the depth of cut exceeds the allotted clearence? A Circ saw in the hands of a student and concrete... hmmmm. Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: textbooks and CADD Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" Gillette's Theatrical Design and Production is what I use for my intro level course. It has a great mix of everything. From the drafting stand point I was taught with Drafting for the Theatre (Dorn/Shanda)for hand drafting (like Steve said) and really got a lot out of it. CADD really came into play after the basics of drafting were already taught. Once you have the basics down its just learning that particular program. A good tutorial will give the students the means to navigate Vectorworks. The advanced features might require a few photo copied pages from the manual for in class assignments. Not to mention that hand drafting is really handy when your computer is giving you hell. =20 ------------------------------ Subject: Moving Light Road Cases Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:11:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lon Butcher" Greetings to "The List", My apologies if this subject has already been discussed, I'm afraid I'm yet another of the folks who can't make the archive search work for them. I'm shopping for road cases for our inventory of moving lights; High End Technobeams, Studio Spot575's and Studio Color 575's S. The nature of the department requires that they be well constructed and simple to use. Also, budget mandates that we purchase in stages spread out over the next few years so we want a manufacturer that will produce a consistent product functionally and aesthetically. Anvil is the first name that comes to mind. Does anyone one the list have any other favorites of manufacturers or suppliers that they would recommend? Thanks in advance, Lon Lon Butcher Performance Technician College of Fine and Performing Arts Western Washington University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:38:24 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: American Flag In-reply-to: Message-id: <44803140.4030209 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Bruce Purdy wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Speaking only for myself, I always considered myself strictly "middle of > the road independent" (Until the establishment re-labelled me a "Centrist") > > Then a strange thing happened: First Newt Gingritch, then George W. moved > the dialogue so far to the right, that I suddenly discovered that without > moving my own position, I was now on the Left fringe! On the flip side, I was always just to the liberal side of center. Then I moved to a town that's so liberal, they think I'm a conservative. Wacky. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060602182216.9568.qmail [at] web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Denison Subject: Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: Have any of you people been to London lately? In the junk shops around Leicester Square, you can buy bibs and bras and underwear made out of the British Union Jack. Does this mean than the British love their country less than Americans do? That they are less willing to die for their country? No. It means that the British have many traditions and centuries of history behind them and they realize that a flag is just a flag...it's a symbol. How much you love your country is better determined by what you actually DO to make it a better place than by how quickly you start foaming at the mouth about some alledged insult to one of its symbols. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:24:47 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris - >...working for something that isn't tangible is *not* the >American Dream (tm) as seen from the conservative side of the >aisle. Speaking for myself, you couldn't be more wrong... Though the reality is that I (like everyone else) have to make a living, every day I look forward to the intangible: - To have the opportunity of learning something... - To have the honor of helping someone... - To find camaraderie... - To know my Creator... - To be challenged - intellectually, spiritually, socially, emotionally... - To have someone simply say "Thank You"... The projects from which I have gained the most satisfaction are not necessarily the ones from which I have made the most money. They have been the ones where I've clearly found these intangibles. That, coming from the mouth/fingers of a conservative... Regards - C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com landrudesign [at] earthlink.net www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606021136g38b6b5f0l4a137c724ef43109 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:36:29 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: textbooks In-Reply-To: References: >>>>I must concur - the Gillette book is the best one I've come across so far, though the edition I currently have (3rd Ed.) is a little skimpy on the CAD chapter. I think the newer additions add on to this area.<<<< I'm missing the 3rd edition. Have all the others. But that's neither here nor there. I'll agree with you there. The 4th edition is a bit skimpy as well. He definitely picks it up on the 5th edition. Still isn't all that in depth, but any improvement is better than none. -SS TTS-EKU "Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" until you find a suitable rock. " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:10:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving Light Road Cases From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Lon, There are a bunch of good case companies other then Anvil. Jan-Al Calzone Case Nashville Custom Case Keal Cases (who used to make all of the cases that HES sold. I'm not sure if this is still true) Armando Cases Georgia Case R & R Cases I know this is just a partial list. Also search the used gear companies as you might be able to find these cases used. Greg Persinger on 6/2/06 1:11 PM, Lon Butcher at Lon.Butcher [at] wwu.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings to "The List", > > My apologies if this subject has already been discussed, I'm afraid I'm > yet another of the folks who can't make the archive search work for > them. > > I'm shopping for road cases for our inventory of moving lights; High End > Technobeams, Studio Spot575's and Studio Color 575's S. The nature of > the department requires that they be well constructed and simple to use. > Also, budget mandates that we purchase in stages spread out over the > next few years so we want a manufacturer that will produce a consistent > product functionally and aesthetically. Anvil is the first name that > comes to mind. Does anyone one the list have any other favorites of > manufacturers or suppliers that they would recommend? > > Thanks in advance, > Lon > > Lon Butcher > Performance Technician > College of Fine and Performing Arts > Western Washington University > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:27:08 -0400 Message-ID: <01b501c6867a$8a57f4b0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Kristi, your post brought > tears to my eyes. It really did. This is one that gets me every time. It's the final scene from a "West Wing" episode. I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty close: Josh: "What do you say about a government that respects the rights even of those who would overthrow it?" CJ: "G-d bless America." Toby: "G-d bless America." Sam: "G-d bless the United States of America." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4480957E.3090207 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:46:06 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: American Flag References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > get choked up...) and the other half were in response to the fact that > those ideals are being shed by those that would protect the flag before the > ideals that she represents. It was sort of a eulogy... I hope it turns out to be a prayer for recovery, not a eulogy. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:53:31 -0600 From: Davy Davis Subject: Re: shop floor In-reply-to: Message-id: <4480973B.3040102 [at] du.edu> Organization: DU Theatre References: Our new scene shop is a raft floor with all the same stuff as we have in the performance spaces. I wouldn't have it any other way. Better ergonomics with the slightly soft floor, the ability to nail to the floor can be essential for certain building or painting chores. Davy Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > > I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high school > theatre facility. This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I�m getting some > questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea of laying a > plywood deck. Any thoughts? > -- William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver wdavis [at] du.edu 303-871-3164 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44809DB0.2040008 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:21:04 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: NHL hockey/American flag References: In-Reply-To: Steve Larson wrote: > As for commenting further about the American flag- > it is a symbol for me of my freedoms. My friends > and relatives and I fought for them and I value them > deeply. If you can't understand this, then I question > your values. Period. I understand freedom. I have a deep appreciation for the freedoms we enjoy, including the freedom to disagree with each other while still respecting each others' point of view. I have the greatest respect for those who fought to protect the freedom of your country, of mine, and of all free nations. But, the flag is not freedom. The flag is not the people who died protecting those freedoms. The flag is not the ability to disagree with the government. The flag is not Kristi's right to work "a man's job". Nor is the flag the people, nor their values. The flag is simply a piece of cloth. If you destroy that piece of cloth, you do not destroy those ideals, because they are embedded in the heart and soul of every person in our two nations. However, because in my mind there is a clear separation between a piece of cloth, and the people and values represented by that cloth, you are now questioning my values. You are refusing to explain. Worse, you are refusing to try to understand why I do *NOT* worship a piece of cloth. You are in danger of denying my freedom to disagree with you: the next step from "I question your values" is "I am right, you are wrong." Do not assume that, simply because I do not falsely worship a piece of cloth, my values are any different or any less important than yours. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:47:35 -0400 Subject: Re: NHL hockey/American flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: TIME OUT! EVERYBODY TAKE TWO STEPS BACK, GRAB A BEVERAGE OF YOUR CHOICE...WARM OR COLD...SIT DOWN, PUT YOUR FEET UP AND CHILL OUT! Do not. I repeat...do not turn this into a street brawl. Emotions run high in politics and religion and I'm proud of all of you for getting this far with throwing any punches. Let's keep it all that way. (can't we all just get along) K? K Have a great weekend folks. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 6/2/06 4:21 PM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Larson wrote: >> As for commenting further about the American flag- >> it is a symbol for me of my freedoms. My friends >> and relatives and I fought for them and I value them >> deeply. If you can't understand this, then I question >> your values. Period. > > I understand freedom. I have a deep appreciation for the freedoms we > enjoy, including the freedom to disagree with each other while still > respecting each others' point of view. I have the greatest respect for > those who fought to protect the freedom of your country, of mine, and of > all free nations. > > But, the flag is not freedom. The flag is not the people who died > protecting those freedoms. The flag is not the ability to disagree with > the government. The flag is not Kristi's right to work "a man's job". > Nor is the flag the people, nor their values. The flag is simply a piece > of cloth. If you destroy that piece of cloth, you do not destroy those > ideals, because they are embedded in the heart and soul of every person > in our two nations. > > However, because in my mind there is a clear separation between a piece > of cloth, and the people and values represented by that cloth, you are > now questioning my values. You are refusing to explain. Worse, you are > refusing to try to understand why I do *NOT* worship a piece of cloth. > You are in danger of denying my freedom to disagree with you: the next > step from "I question your values" is "I am right, you are wrong." > > Do not assume that, simply because I do not falsely worship a piece of > cloth, my values are any different or any less important than yours. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3b6.3ec70ab.31b1ff31 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:53:05 EDT Subject: Re: Next generation control surface? In a message dated 6/2/06 12:39:38 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net writes: << between robotic lighting fixtures, twelve truck one day shows, and now virtual control panels, I fear Frank, that the world, hasn't necessarily passed you by, but is just barely with in reach. >> This is not my scene. I have a much more leisurely timetable. Two weeks from get-in to opening, as a rule. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <4b6.de3c11.31b2025e [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:06:38 EDT Subject: Re: American Flag (meaning) In a message dated 6/2/06 12:55:25 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: << Again, all this is meant to be a somewhat dispassionate commentary as seen "from the inside". Make of it what you will, but I hope it helps. >> It does. While it tells me, from the other side of the pond, little that I didn't know, I hope that those on your own side will read it, and consider it. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <493.1c0c5a4.31b2039f [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:11:59 EDT Subject: Re: Next generation control surface? In a message dated 6/2/06 2:53:21 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, taco [at] peak.org writes: << > How anyone can presume to control any aspect of a performance without > 'hands-on' faders is beyond me. > I will pass that wisdom on to the orchestra conductor. >> Hands on baton? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4480AE7A.9050508 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:32:42 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: NHL hockey/American flag References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > (can't we all just get along) > > K? K I thought I was being quite calm and reasonable there. Whatcha got in the fridge, Bill? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0VSY3eEhMLgEFwdp [at] emanator.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:52:33 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: American Flag References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >Not quite. There is usually the overwhelming bite/bitterness and aroma >of heavily hopped brew - about the only flavor present. I'll stick to cider. It's very appley at any temperature. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:31 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dude! You are in Ithaca! Try Smith College in Northampton Mass. It makes you guys look like rednecks. On 6/2/06 8:38 AM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > > > On the flip side, I was always just to the liberal side of center. Then > I moved to a town that's so liberal, they think I'm a conservative. Wacky. > > Steve L. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:25:31 -0400 Subject: Re: NHL hockey/American flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: At the moment, Rolling Rock. But I feel an urge coming on for some Newcastle Brown. On 6/2/06 5:32 PM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > I thought I was being quite calm and reasonable there. Whatcha got in > the fridge, Bill? ------------------------------ From: Jonbielich [at] aol.com Message-ID: <314.56ce591.31b21587 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:28:23 EDT Subject: theatrical theatre advances.. I need some opinions on new technology in the theatre...(within last 2 years). What advances had a significant impact in the theatre... Describe the critical features and how these features created significant impact on professional practice in the field (non teaching) and the preparation nexessary to take advantage of the advance. I look forward to your responses. Jon Bielich Putnam City PAC OKC, OK ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:31:13 GMT Subject: Re: theatrical theatre advances.. Message-Id: <20060602.153154.8266.26067 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> This sounds like a class assignment. /s/ Richard _____________________________ I need some opinions on new technology in the theatre...(within last 2 years). What advances had a significant impact in the theatre... Describ= e the critical features and how these features created significant impac= t on professional practice in the field (non teaching) and the preparati= on nexessary to take advantage of the advance. I look forward to your r= esponses. Jon Bielich = Putnam City PAC OKC, OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: LOL. Nah. They only show up to the paying gigs. On 6/2/06 10:47 AM, "CB" wrote: > Do the Cowboy and the Construction Worker and the Indian come to the > parades, too!?! (OK, sorry, that was just wrong. Butcha gotta admit, it > was funny!) ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Brandon Slokowski" Subject: Re: Moving Light Road Cases Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:45:22 -0400 Lon, I strongly recommend R & R Cases (www.rrcases.com). They manufacture rock solid products! I also like Big Deal Custom Cases (www.bigdealcases.com). They are out of Winnipeg so you�ll be able to stretch your US dollar a little more with them. Also, there are lots of Studio Color/Spot cases floating around on the used market. I just saw a whole bunch recently, although I don�t remember where; try all the big used websites. Please feel free to contact me off list if you need any assistance. Brandon Slokowski Brilliant Illumination LLC Cincinnati, OH > > I'm shopping for road cases for our inventory of moving lights; High End > > Technobeams, Studio Spot575's and Studio Color 575's S. The nature of > > the department requires that they be well constructed and simple to use. > > Also, budget mandates that we purchase in stages spread out over the > > next few years so we want a manufacturer that will produce a consistent > > product functionally and aesthetically. Anvil is the first name that > > comes to mind. Does anyone one the list have any other favorites of > > manufacturers or suppliers that they would recommend? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Lon > > > > Lon Butcher > > Performance Technician > > College of Fine and Performing Arts > > Western Washington University > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:55:00 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Which one is Scott Sloan? On 6/2/06 6:38 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > LOL. Nah. They only show up to the paying gigs. > > > On 6/2/06 10:47 AM, "CB" wrote: > >> Do the Cowboy and the Construction Worker and the Indian come to the >> parades, too!?! (OK, sorry, that was just wrong. Butcha gotta admit, it >> was funny!) > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: American Flag (meaning) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:00:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01bc01c68698$54aef160$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Well, that's why we fought the Revolution -- so we could live up the expectations of an Englishman. > It does. While it tells me, from the other side of the pond, > little that I > didn't know, I hope that those on your own side will read it, > and consider it. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: American Flag In-reply-to: Message-id: <2363.24.58.7.221.1149289428.squirrel [at] webmail.ithaca.edu> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Bill Nelson writes >>Not quite. There is usually the overwhelming bite/bitterness and aroma >>of heavily hopped brew - about the only flavor present. > > I'll stick to cider. It's very appley at any temperature. Well, mostly apples. Just be careful not to spill it. Steve L. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:15:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c6869a$80817090$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: How many of you have visited scene shops in UK and in Europe and Asia? I have found a mixture ....Asia, wooden floors. Europe a mixture, wood and concrete, depends upon the shops, because some of the cities have many theaters and opera houses. UK, I have seen both as well. Comfort is one aspect of any floor, and that is why OSHA in this country Regulates that there be cushioned floor mats in factories, shops, etc. .... it sure is better on the back and legs and neck. If I had my druthers, I was specify wooden floors. Just my opinion. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davy Davis Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:54 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: shop floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Our new scene shop is a raft floor with all the same stuff as we have in the performance spaces. I wouldn't have it any other way. Better ergonomics with the slightly soft floor, the ability to nail to the floor can be essential for certain building or painting chores. Davy Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > > I recently specified a concrete floor for a scene shop in a new high school > theatre facility. This seemed a no-brainer to me, but I'm getting some > questions about use of other surfaces, including the idea of laying a > plywood deck. Any thoughts? > -- William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver wdavis [at] du.edu 303-871-3164 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:33:34 -0400 Subject: Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Aaaieeeeeeeee. Now there's and image I could have done without! On 6/2/06 6:55 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Which one is Scott Sloan? > > > > On 6/2/06 6:38 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> LOL. Nah. They only show up to the paying gigs. >> >> >> On 6/2/06 10:47 AM, "CB" wrote: >> >>> Do the Cowboy and the Construction Worker and the Indian come to the >>> parades, too!?! (OK, sorry, that was just wrong. Butcha gotta admit, it >>> was funny!) >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:30:32 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: shop floor In-Reply-To: References: I'll second (or third) the vote for plywood floors. Concrete is tough on the knees and feet after a long day building scenery. Plus, You can't nail jigs or cleats or drops to concrete. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:37:42 -0400 Subject: Re: shop floor From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sure you can. First you lay down some plywood.... On 6/2/06 8:30 PM, "Brian Munroe" wrote: > Plus, You can't nail jigs or cleats or drops to concrete. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060603010659.28018.qmail [at] web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: living left, was Re: American Flag In-Reply-To: Better yet, the People's Republic of Amherst, just east of Northampton and yet even further left. Jacki (living in Northampton!) --- Herrick Goldman wrote: > Dude! You are in Ithaca! Try Smith College in > Northampton Mass. It makes you > guys look like rednecks. > > On 6/2/06 8:38 AM, "Stephen Litterst" > wrote: > > On the flip side, I was always just to the liberal > side of center. Then > > I moved to a town that's so liberal, they think > I'm a conservative. Wacky. > > > > Steve L. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: living left, was Re: American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <01c001c686aa$a8610250$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Best: almost any place in Vermont. > Better yet, the People's Republic of Amherst, just > east of Northampton and yet even further left. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: living left, was Re: American Flag From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Especially my place. Just outside of St. Johnsburry. Bill S On 6/2/06 9:11 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Best: almost any place in Vermont. > >> Better yet, the People's Republic of Amherst, just >> east of Northampton and yet even further left. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001501c686ab$92ce96e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: shop floor Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:18:08 -0700 >> Of course there may be a really good reason for plywood which >> I've not considered... Anyone? > > Stapling drops. > Easier on the legs. > Simpler attachment points for trial setups. > Less fatigue. > These are exactly the reasons why I spec'd a plywood floor for my (soon to open) high school scene shop. (Number one on my list is the 'easier on the legs' item.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:26:27 -0400 Subject: Rather than the Flag Debate From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: I would like to improve your vocabulary. From the Scripps Spelling Bee Round 18: Tmesis: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tmesis Used in a sentence: Tmesis is the act of separating parts of a compound word in a sentence....as in Un-Be-Frickin-Lievable! "This Flag debate is Un-Be-Frickin-Lievable...U-N-B-E-F-R-I-C-K-I-N-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!" And now back to your regularly scheduled flame war. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003101c686ac$1ea9f6f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:22:03 -0700 > >> I can usually be found on my rollerblades with a couple of flags >> sticking out of my boots. > > Do the Cowboy and the Construction Worker and the Indian come to the > parades, too!?! (OK, sorry, that was just wrong. Butcha gotta admit, it > was funny!) Ok, so I wasn't the only one thinking of Bill with his (former) butch manstache, and maybe "short-shorts," perhaps a rainbow tanktop, in his rollerblades. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:28:38 -0400 Subject: Re: living left, was Re: American Flag From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey I used to live in the big white house just off 91 in NoHO, the on ewith the huge Peace sign on the 3rd floor. (of course that was a few decades ago, the peace sign may be gone now) Vermont isn't so much liberal as throwback-luddite-slacker-hippie don't get me wrong I love it...but.... On 6/2/06 9:06 PM, "Jacqueline Haney Kidwell" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Better yet, the People's Republic of Amherst, just > east of Northampton and yet even further left. > > Jacki > (living in Northampton!) -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: living left, was Re: American Flag Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:27:01 -0400 Message-ID: <01c101c686ac$d0de14f0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > (of > course that was a few decades ago, the peace sign may be gone now) I wouldn't count on that. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:44:36 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: simple way to understand the American Flag In-Reply-To: References: Does the invasion of the Aleutian Islands during WWII count? It wasn't a state until 1959, but it was still American territory. There were other incidents during WWII, such as enemy submarines close to shore (an abandoned Japanese sub washed up on the Oregon coast), baloon bombs, espionage, etc... Sure, the flag means different things to different people. As long as they believe it means something good and healthy, why should they be accosted for it? Also, patriotism does not mean support for the government. In fact, it could mean action against it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:00:36 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: shop floor In-Reply-To: References:

On 6/2/06, Jon Ares wrote: > > These are exactly the reasons why I spec'd a plywood floor for my (soon to > open) high school scene shop. (Number one on my list is the 'easier on the > legs' item.) > So, if I'd graduated 8 years later, I wouldn't have these problems with kneeling? I distinctly remember the fatigue I experienced after 6-9 hours of walking around on the concrete floor. Not so fun. Guess it's a tradeoff, spend money to replace the plywood when it gets nasty, or spend money on insoles/chiropractor/joint replacement. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: shop floor From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: All, Shop floors I have worked on in order of preference: Edge grain maple over 2X4 sleepers. (That, my friend is a beautiful floor) 3/4" T&G Southern Yellow Pine over 2X4 sleepers. 3/4" BC ply over 2X4 sleepers. Concrete. My real answer. It depends. Who is going to use it and how? If there is no one and/or no money to maintain a floor I have say concrete wins because it is fairly difficult to destroy or substantially damage. If there is a trained, competent and caring staff a wooden floor is much preferred but requires that it be treated with respect and not cut up. OR that the care taker is skilled and has the money and time to repair it on some frequency. Does anyone have a sacrificial layer of something in their shop? Luan, ply or MDF over something else that is designed to be replaced? What is it and how do you like it? All the best. Good luck! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:27:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Moving Light Road Cases From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Lon, There are hundreds of good manufacturers out there. A couple thoughts. Select a vendor geographically close to you and look into used gear. That being said: They are nowhere near close to you and I haven't bought any cases in a couple years, my favorite is Olympic Case Company. Awesome product and outstanding customer service. http://www.olycase.com/ Good Luck! BTW say hi to Kyle. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606022034i20ef27daq8b43ab71dc74a347 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:34:39 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: American Flag (meaning) MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: >It's not the object itself, it's what it represents............ Kristi, A very eloquent explanation. Thank you. I'm glad I read your post before I put keyboard in mouth with an overly emotional knee jerk reply. Do I have VERY strong emotions and feelings about the flag? YES! Like most who have served in the military, my reasons for it are strong and mixed. I can no more explain the depth and breadth of it than a mother can explain childbirth to a man. The words are there but the actual experience can not be really accurately duplicated nor explained. I didn't go to Nam for a flag. The guys I served with and fought beside didn't serve or die for a flag. However the flag became a very strong symbol to us for the reasons we were there and what we went through. When someone dis'es the flag, we tend to take it as a personal assault on our personal beliefs and reasons for being. Am I rational when it comes to treatment of the flag? I doubt it. Using it in a show for a purpose, laying it on the deck to facilitate hanging it or rigging it, no problem. Treating it with disrespect as a political statement, BIG PROBLEM! In many ways those of us from Nam have a slightly different view point because of the way we were treated when we got back. Then I'd have given up a winning lottery ticket for a single one of the "support our troops" stickers that seem to be on almost every vehicle on the road today. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:47:54 -0400 Subject: Re: theatrical theatre advances.. From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It depends on where you started. In some theatres a roof has revolutionized EVERYTHING in the last two years. In other cases the latest million dollar wizbang whatchacallit made a few tasks moderately easier. Though I am sure others will have different opinions. I will be pleasantly surprised if a single technology can be universally defined as having a significant industry wide impact in the last couple years. FWIW, YMMV, $.02 and all that -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4481106E.8040603 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:30:38 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Searching Archives / rope light References:

In-Reply-To: David Wilson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Is there a way to search the archives? I keep getting frozen out > when I make the attempt. > > I'd search the archive for an answer to this question, but,... > > I'm looking for sources for rope light anyone has used *recently*. > I've been to over a couple dozen web sites, and it seems > a lot of what I'm looking for has been discontinued and is unavailable, > though no one's bothered to update their sites. It's due to new UL regs > that came out in '02 I believe. > I was looking for 5 wire 4 circuit, Red,Blue,Green,Amber, preferably in > 16' sections which is what I used previously. connects with a square > molex plug. > I might have to go to spools of one color if I can't find it, which > would be > 4x the cost, obviously. > > > > > > David Wilson > Brandeis Theater Company > Brandeis University > Waltham, MA If you are going to spend that kind of money, investigate the Color Kinetics strings of RGB led bubbles. Each bubble is individually addressable RGB colors. Locally you can see them outlining the Hyatt in Cambridge on the bank of the charles river. (the one that looks sorta like an aztec pyramid) --Dale ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #830 *****************************