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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30858523; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:01:28 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #833 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #833 1. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement by Bruce Purdy 2. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Re: Semper fi by Joe Golden 4. Re: Semper fi by "Don Taco" 5. Re: Semper fi by Jerry Durand 6. Re: Semper fi by Simon Shuker 7. That flag thread, once more by Bill Sapsis 8. Re: That flag thread, once more by Kevin Lee Allen 9. Re: Shop Floor by Maia Robbins-Zust 10. Re: Shop Floor by "Josh Ratty" 11. Re: Semper fi by Clive Mitchell 12. Re: Semper fi by Herrick Goldman 13. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by 14. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by "Patrick Immel" 15. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by Herrick Goldman 16. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 18. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by Herrick Goldman 19. CAD Symbols/Blocks site by "Patrick Immel" 20. Re: Semper fi by "Michael Powers" 21. Re: Semper fi by Herrick Goldman 22. Re: Semper fi by Jim Hyslop 23. Re: Semper fi by Jerry Durand 24. Re: That flag thread, once more by Jim Hyslop 25. Rigging question by "Donald A Rowe" 26. Bellagio fountains recreated by Herrick Goldman 27. Re: Rigging question by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 28. Re: Rigging question by Brian James 29. Re: That flag thread, once more by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 30. Re: Rigging question by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 31. Re: Rigging question by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 32. Re: Rigging question by "Brandon Slokowski" 33. Re: Rigging question by Brian James 34. Powering sound equipment off a generator by "Jeffrey Mulvey" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Betsy & Peter Scheu are proud (and exhausted) to announce the arrival of: > > Evan Alden Scheu > B. May 31, 2006 4:30PM EST > 8 lb 6 oz Congratulations to all involved in this new production! Evan, welcome to this wonderful world! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c687f2$86015ef0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 06:18:31 -1000 > > Betsy & Peter Scheu are proud (and exhausted) to announce the arrival of: > > > > Evan Alden Scheu > > B. May 31, 2006 4:30PM EST > > 8 lb 6 oz > > > > All involved are very, very, well. Congratulations... the ride has started. You days of freedom are numbered. When the baby starts to get about on its own, they're over. Get some sleep. Laters, Paul That ball was right over the plate," Tom said strikingly. ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joe=20Golden?= Subject: Re: Semper fi Date: 04 Jun 2006 09:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: To be guarded by Marines? Joe Golden Sent from my Treo -----Original Message----- From: Herrick Goldman Date: 6/3/06 8:15 pm To: Stagecraft Subj: Re: Semper fi For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Indeed On 6/3/06 11:04 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > >> Hey its rude to speak a foreign language in front of non-speakers... >> > > Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American. They > must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace. > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <041601c687f7$014615c0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Semper fi Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:50:24 -0700 As a very young teen, I thought Mom said, 'How about Maureen camp this summer?' Boy, was I surprised. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Golden" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Semper fi For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- To be guarded by Marines? Joe Golden Sent from my Treo -----Original Message----- From: Herrick Goldman Date: 6/3/06 8:15 pm To: Stagecraft Subj: Re: Semper fi For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Indeed On 6/3/06 11:04 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > >> Hey its rude to speak a foreign language in front of non-speakers... >> > > Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American. They > must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace. > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:14:10 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Semper fi In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060604101144.011c03b8 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 09:42 AM 6/4/2006, Joe Golden wrote: >To be guarded by Marines? Actually, it seems most of our camps are in other countries guarded by hired foreign help, you've been out-sourced. BTW, Aren't Marines just sailors without a ship? :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44831CB3.2090708 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:47:31 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Semper fi References:

In-Reply-To: Its certainly not the case in Kuwait, although the fact they could not find the number in an American passport did not instill much confidence for me > > Actually, it seems most of our camps are in other countries guarded by > hired foreign help, you've been out-sourced. BTW, Aren't Marines just > sailors without a ship? :) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:10:11 -0400 Subject: That flag thread, once more From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. One more time just because.... Every year on the first Sunday in June I take part in the Friends of the Forgotten motorcycle ride. It started out as a Vietnam War memorial ride but grew to include our latest wars. It's about 25 miles with 4 or 5,000 bikes. We ride through some of the older blue collar towns north of Philly and then into town for speeches and stuff. The roads get closed for us. (BTW. This is the only time they close I-76 all year. You locals should remember that for next year cuz it makes for a wonderful traffic jam.) But I digress. OK. So it's a motorcycle parade. It's mostly a slow ride and the street have lots of folks out watching us go by. There's plenty of flags...The American, of course and the black POW flag that you folks on other shores probably don't know or haven't seen very often. The crowd runs the usual gamut of kids out having fun, young parents who want their babies to see (and hear) what a bunch of bikes going by is like, and the older folk. It's the older folks that get to me. Most are out there waving and having a good time. They have the grill going on the front lawn so they can watch the bikes and eat hot dogs at the same time. But then you go buy a couple that are holding a flag. No, not holding it...they're clutching it. They wave and they smile, but they don't look happy. And then you make eye contact and they mouth the words "thank you". They don't even say it out loud. And I realize that the flag they are holding to their chest was probably wrapped around the coffin that brought their son or daughter home. And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag. I can't describe the feeling to you, but I get it. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:52:19 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: That flag thread, once more In-reply-to: Message-id: <8D3957FA-6FF5-4DA3-AF1E-A049DBA6F1E0 [at] klad.com> References:

you just did. thx On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag. I can't =20 > describe > the feeling to you, but I get it. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44833E44.2070204 [at] williams.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:10:44 -0400 From: Maia Robbins-Zust Subject: Re: Shop Floor References: In-Reply-To: In our new shop I've got hardened masonite on top of 3/4" plywood over 2"x stringers on concrete. Nice Floor to work on all day, but the Masonite can get quite slippery especially when it gets a layer of sawdust sprinkled on it. Makes running a sheet of 3/4" plywood through the table saw by oneself a real challenge sometimes -- almost feels like you're wearing dress shoes instead of work boots. The masonite layer was done as a replaceable floor covering, which I think is going to work quite well (it's only a year old). It's also a lot easier to clean/sweep up then a plywood surface. Come next semester, I'm thinking that I should put down a layer of 'junk' paint to help with the slippery problem though. Maia Robbins-Zust Technical Director Williams College Dept. of Theatre Williamstown, MA ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Shop Floor Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c68815$9b854110$b00b0a0a [at] Rattys> In-reply-to: We use luan instead of maso for a sacrificial layer. We paint it a few times a year with a light gray back paint. Areas in front of table saws and a few other tools get a safety stripe paint scheme kinda deal and we mix some sand in the paint to provide grip for your feet. That makes a world of difference. Now if only we had a level floor... Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Maia Robbins-Zust Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:11 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Shop Floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In our new shop I've got hardened masonite on top of 3/4" plywood over 2"x stringers on concrete. Nice Floor to work on all day, but the Masonite can get quite slippery especially when it gets a layer of sawdust sprinkled on it. Makes running a sheet of 3/4" plywood through the table saw by oneself a real challenge sometimes -- almost feels like you're wearing dress shoes instead of work boots. The masonite layer was done as a replaceable floor covering, which I think is going to work quite well (it's only a year old). It's also a lot easier to clean/sweep up then a plywood surface. Come next semester, I'm thinking that I should put down a layer of 'junk' paint to help with the slippery problem though. Maia Robbins-Zust Technical Director Williams College Dept. of Theatre Williamstown, MA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:57:17 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Semper fi References: In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Powers writes >>Semper Fi Michael > >Semper Fi brother. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:54:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Semper fi From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yeah Clive, That's likely! Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? On 6/4/06 5:57 PM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Michael Powers > writes >>> Semper Fi Michael >> >> Semper Fi brother. > > Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:57:36 -0400 From: On Jun 3, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Subject: VW Lighting Symbols > > I have bitten the bullet and I am beginning to learn VW (12). I know > that there was a discussion here a while back about lighting symbols > for VW and I remember that Patrick Immel had a CAD library of symbols > for VW, but when I try to link to it I get a "Forbidden" message. > Patrick - can you help me out? Anyone else have an lighting symbols? Delbert, No one seems to have given you a complete answer. If you have 12, did you buy Spotlight? That library is remarkably complete, except for certain small instruments, and works quite well. If you didn't, you might consider purchasing AutoPlot - much cheaper option and the library of symbols is second to none. The two sets of symbols work in entirely different ways, so make a choice now which way you want to jump. It isn't difficult to convert a symbol into a usable fixuture for either program, but it takes a bit of knowledge about symbols, text records, and plugins that you aren't even close to acquiring yet, if you're just learning VW. (Although with a few concentrated hours, you could do reasonably well creating new AutoPlot symbols.) Neither program works absolutely flawlessly with Lightwright, but both are pretty good and are getting better every year. You can certainly use an imported DXF lighting symbol if you like, especially with AutoPlot's "create symbols" command, which creates eight "units" out of your symbol by rotating it and plopping down text records based on an assumed geographic center for the symbol. Personally, I stay away from anything imported from AutoCAD - try as I might, I end up with files littered with arcane and unhelpfully- named classes that won't disappear - meaning one little thing in one symbol somewhere is still assigned that class....well, don't get me started. Cris Dopher ...giving presentation on Spotlight June 14th at Apple Store SoHo. Be there or be inverse squared. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:11:55 -0500 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols In-Reply-To: References:

Delbert and all, I do indeed have a bunch of VW / ACAD symbols on my site at: http://www.patrickimmel.com/cad_library/cadindex.htm but it is not working...not sure why! I'll let y'all know when it is up again! Sorry for the delay in replying...I've been out of town! Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com On 6/4/06, brooklyn [at] dopher.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > > > Subject: VW Lighting Symbols > > > > I have bitten the bullet and I am beginning to learn VW (12). I know > > that there was a discussion here a while back about lighting symbols > > for VW and I remember that Patrick Immel had a CAD library of symbols > > for VW, but when I try to link to it I get a "Forbidden" message. > > Patrick - can you help me out? Anyone else have an lighting symbols? > > Delbert, > > No one seems to have given you a complete answer. > > If you have 12, did you buy Spotlight? That library is remarkably > complete, except for certain small instruments, and works quite well. > > If you didn't, you might consider purchasing AutoPlot - much cheaper > option and the library of symbols is second to none. > > The two sets of symbols work in entirely different ways, so make a > choice now which way you want to jump. It isn't difficult to convert > a symbol into a usable fixuture for either program, but it takes a > bit of knowledge about symbols, text records, and plugins that you > aren't even close to acquiring yet, if you're just learning VW. > (Although with a few concentrated hours, you could do reasonably well > creating new AutoPlot symbols.) > > Neither program works absolutely flawlessly with Lightwright, but > both are pretty good and are getting better every year. > > You can certainly use an imported DXF lighting symbol if you like, > especially with AutoPlot's "create symbols" command, which creates > eight "units" out of your symbol by rotating it and plopping down > text records based on an assumed geographic center for the symbol. > Personally, I stay away from anything imported from AutoCAD - try as > I might, I end up with files littered with arcane and unhelpfully- > named classes that won't disappear - meaning one little thing in one > symbol somewhere is still assigned that class....well, don't get me > started. > > Cris Dopher > ...giving presentation on Spotlight June 14th at Apple Store SoHo. > Be there or be inverse squared. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:26:46 -0400 Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Also I think it's Salzberg who has the website with a bunch of symbols. Including the Absolut Bottle and the coffee stain. Thanks for those by the way. I totally cracked up a crew with them. However the Bottle went over a bit oddly. I had drawn it on the FOH table next to the whole hog II. In the key I labeled it "'97 Brunello (for later)" intending to bring a bottle and share it with the client after this huge gig. Well the gig was in Notorious Warwick Rhode Island and during a pre-walk thru the PM called me and said the FD wanted to know what a bottle of Brunello was and if it was flammable. Those guys are pretty tense up there still. _H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c6883e$bca52fd0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:24:05 -0700 > Cris Dopher > ...giving presentation on Spotlight June 14th at Apple Store SoHo. Be > there or be inverse squared. > Oh, how I wish someone (such as Chris) would hold a Vectorworks seminar (or eight) on the west coast - preferably Portland or Seattle.... for us that come from an AutoCad/QuickCad (and the ilk) background..... - Jon Ares (that has only exploited Vectorworks v9 for light plots) www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:28:17 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c6883f$5297e000$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Also I think it's Salzberg who has the website with a bunch > of symbols. Including the Absolut Bottle and the coffee stain. Well, I do try to cover all the necessities.... http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:51:00 -0400 Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Nice spectra par cheat sheet! I'll use it this week. I owe ya a beer at least at this point. On 6/4/06 9:28 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> Also I think it's Salzberg who has the website with a bunch >> of symbols. Including the Absolut Bottle and the coffee stain. > > Well, I do try to cover all the necessities.... > > http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:47:12 -0500 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: CAD Symbols/Blocks site Hey all, My page is back in working order! Here is the address: http://www.patrickimmel.com/cad_library/cadindex.htm Take what you like...if you have something to share, please send it to me! Thanks, Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606041916j6d38ee52r47b8a07d0180c820 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:16:22 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: Re: Semper fi Herrick Goldman wrote: >Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American. >They must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace. We have already been sent to a "Camp". Camp Le Juene or in my case, "camp" San Diego. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:26:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Semper fi From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey! I didn't write that! Just to clarify it was that insurrectionist Jerry Durand. On 6/4/06 10:16 PM, "Michael Powers" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick Goldman wrote: > >> Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American. >> They must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace. > > We have already been sent to a "Camp". Camp Le Juene or in my case, > "camp" San Diego. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44839624.7010605 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:25:40 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Semper fi References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. (rough translation: anything said in latin sounds more impressive :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:25:27 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Semper fi In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Jun 4, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > Hey! I didn't write that! Just to clarify it was that > insurrectionist Jerry > Durand. > And I see the writer went to some foreign camp! "Le Juene" Remember, the language of the land is now English, if you can't speak the Queen's tongue, you will be deported. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <448396C7.3080008 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:28:23 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: That flag thread, once more References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > OK. One more time just because.... Thank you for sharing that. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00e201c68848$5c5f2540$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net> From: "Donald A Rowe" Subject: Rigging question Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:32:58 -0400 I tried to look this up in the archives but got no response so I'll ask the list.... While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in the bridal legs with the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be down ("the shackle takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in the shackle that could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle but before I go and attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would like to have some more information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples or reasonings would be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this differently. Thanks Donald A. Rowe IATSE Local #3 Pgh, Pa. 15202 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:50:37 -0400 Subject: Bellagio fountains recreated From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: With Mentos and Diet coke. http://eepybird.com/dcm1.html Yeah we like these guys. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c68856$494ac640$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Rigging question Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:12:33 -0600 My policy: If the pin CAN go down, it should go down. If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced. What part of the leg was it? basket, joint, apex? All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg or more? or inverted, As always, more info needed. If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you his thoughts on it. If you ask him. "No challenge... information please, so I may become more versed" Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald A Rowe" > > I tried to look this up in the archives but got no response so I'll ask the > list.... > > While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in the bridal legs with > the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be down ("the shackle > takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in the shackle that > could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle but before I go and > attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would like to have some more > information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples or reasonings would > be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this differently. Thanks > > Donald A. Rowe > IATSE Local #3 > Pgh, Pa. 15202 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4483B067.5000302 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:17:43 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Rigging question References:

In-Reply-To: Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been told that generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an orientation. Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > My policy: If the pin CAN go down, it should go down. > If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for > whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced. > > What part of the leg was it? basket, joint, apex? > All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg or > more? or inverted, > As always, more info needed. > > If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you his > thoughts on it. > If you ask him. > "No challenge... information please, so I may become more > versed" > > Rob't > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald A Rowe" > >> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no >> > response so I'll ask the > >> list.... >> >> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in the >> > bridal legs with > >> the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be >> > down ("the shackle > >> takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in >> > the shackle that > >> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle but >> > before I go and > >> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would like >> > to have some more > >> information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples or >> > reasonings would > >> be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this >> > differently. Thanks > >> Donald A. Rowe >> IATSE Local #3 >> Pgh, Pa. 15202 >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: That flag thread, once more Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:18:56 +0000 Message-Id: <060520060418.25203.4483B0B0000123AD0000627321603763160E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> That's obviously the thrust of what "USA" is, sacrifice and lives lost. Once upon a time in Revolutionary then Civil then World War and now at the caprice of the president. We were presented with a flag when Dad died, Veterans sent it. Dad passed in his sleep, we were perplexed as he was flight engineer in 1949 and shuffled off to the beyond in 1992. To assume the flag signifies all that is the USA is like assuming a Lexus indicates anything other than cash spent. My brother in law has 2 tours of Viet Nam and shrapnel from both, he's the first to say I didn't go for a stupid flag. A flag doesn't begin to tell the story, it just tells people where to find the story. It's just a colored rag; the men and women that died for it's country are what's important. Bill, if I'm wrong I apologize; to me they'd rather know we won't forget their loss and sacrifice than watch people wave flags because it fun to do on Sunday. To bring it around that's what you do isn't it? The flag is OK but they see real people go out of their way to recognize those that gave their all and the family left behind. That's what is sacred and you can't burn or desecrate that premise. Gerry G. (hoping I won't regret stepping into the firestorm) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bill Sapsis > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK. One more time just because.... > > Every year on the first Sunday in June I take part in the Friends of the > Forgotten motorcycle ride. It started out as a Vietnam War memorial ride > but grew to include our latest wars. It's about 25 miles with 4 or 5,000 > bikes. We ride through some of the older blue collar towns north of Philly > and then into town for speeches and stuff. The roads get closed for us. > (BTW. This is the only time they close I-76 all year. You locals should > remember that for next year cuz it makes for a wonderful traffic jam.) > > But I digress. > > OK. So it's a motorcycle parade. It's mostly a slow ride and the street > have lots of folks out watching us go by. There's plenty of flags...The > American, of course and the black POW flag that you folks on other shores > probably don't know or haven't seen very often. The crowd runs the usual > gamut of kids out having fun, young parents who want their babies to see > (and hear) what a bunch of bikes going by is like, and the older folk. It's > the older folks that get to me. Most are out there waving and having a good > time. They have the grill going on the front lawn so they can watch the > bikes and eat hot dogs at the same time. > > But then you go buy a couple that are holding a flag. No, not holding > it...they're clutching it. They wave and they smile, but they don't look > happy. And then you make eye contact and they mouth the words "thank you". > They don't even say it out loud. And I realize that the flag they are > holding to their chest was probably wrapped around the coffin that brought > their son or daughter home. > > And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag. I can't describe > the feeling to you, but I get it. > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002201c6885b$67837df0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com References:

Subject: Re: Rigging question Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:49:13 -0600 Pin should go to the motor as the general reference. The "bottom" shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that take up the bell of the shackle. From above, the steel that comes off the basket is pin down, a joint (say a fifteen leg consisting of a ten and five) would have the pin down. In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set into the bell of the stinger shackle. If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg shackles would go pin down, through the pear. More confused? less confused? Glad to explain more. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian James" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Rigging question > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been told that > generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an orientation. > Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > My policy: If the pin CAN go down, it should go down. > > If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for > > whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced. > > > > What part of the leg was it? basket, joint, apex? > > All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg or > > more? or inverted, > > As always, more info needed. > > > > If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you his > > thoughts on it. > > If you ask him. > > "No challenge... information please, so I may become more > > versed" > > > > Rob't > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donald A Rowe" > > > >> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no > >> > > response so I'll ask the > > > >> list.... > >> > >> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in the > >> > > bridal legs with > > > >> the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be > >> > > down ("the shackle > > > >> takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in > >> > > the shackle that > > > >> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle but > >> > > before I go and > > > >> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would like > >> > > to have some more > > > >> information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples or > >> > > reasonings would > > > >> be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this > >> > > differently. Thanks > > > >> Donald A. Rowe > >> IATSE Local #3 > >> Pgh, Pa. 15202 > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002b01c6885c$52672ce0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Subject: Re: Rigging question Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:55:49 -0600 >I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that > take up the bell of the shackle. a sound bumper on the other hand has the pin usually through the bumper and the bell hooks into the bottom hook. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" To: "Stagecraft" ; Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Rigging question > Pin should go to the motor as the general reference. The > "bottom" shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of > the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that > take up the bell of the shackle. From above, the steel > that comes off the basket is pin down, a joint (say a > fifteen leg consisting of a ten and five) would have the > pin down. In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with > a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the > bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the > shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set > into the bell of the stinger shackle. > > If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg > shackles would go pin down, through the pear. > > More confused? less confused? > > Glad to explain more. > > Rob't > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian James" > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: Rigging question > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been > told that > > generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an > orientation. > > Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > My policy: If the pin CAN go down, it should go down. > > > If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for > > > whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced. > > > > > > What part of the leg was it? basket, joint, apex? > > > All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg > or > > > more? or inverted, > > > As always, more info needed. > > > > > > If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you > his > > > thoughts on it. > > > If you ask him. > > > "No challenge... information please, so I may become > more > > > versed" > > > > > > Rob't > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donald A Rowe" > > > > > >> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no > > >> > > > response so I'll ask the > > > > > >> list.... > > >> > > >> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in > the > > >> > > > bridal legs with > > > > > >> the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be > > >> > > > down ("the shackle > > > > > >> takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in > > >> > > > the shackle that > > > > > >> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle > but > > >> > > > before I go and > > > > > >> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would > like > > >> > > > to have some more > > > > > >> information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples > or > > >> > > > reasonings would > > > > > >> be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this > > >> > > > differently. Thanks > > > > > >> Donald A. Rowe > > >> IATSE Local #3 > > >> Pgh, Pa. 15202 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Brandon Slokowski" Subject: RE: Rigging question Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:04:43 -0400 Straight from Harry Donovan�s �Arena Rigging� (now "Entertainment Rigging", I belive) on page two of chapter three: �Shackles should be aligned with the load direction. If oversized shackles are used - the preferred method - it makes absolutely no difference whether the pin is up or down. If undersized shackles are used, making rotation of the shackle possible, there may be a very slight advantage in having the pin down: since the heaviest end is already down, there is less likelihood of capsizing.� �Oversized� being a 5/8� shackle for 3/8� cable, and a 3/4� shackle for 1/2" cable. Hope this helps. Brandon >From: "Donald A Rowe" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Rigging question >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:32:58 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I tried to look this up in the archives but got no response so I'll ask the >list.... > >While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in the bridal legs with >the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be down ("the shackle >takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in the shackle that >could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle but before I go and >attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would like to have some more >information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples or reasonings would >be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this differently. Thanks > >Donald A. Rowe >IATSE Local #3 >Pgh, Pa. 15202 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4483C153.2080304 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:29:55 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Rigging question References:

In-Reply-To: Makes sense, you and I are on the same page...... I appreciate the reply though. Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Pin should go to the motor as the general reference. The > "bottom" shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of > the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that > take up the bell of the shackle. From above, the steel > that comes off the basket is pin down, a joint (say a > fifteen leg consisting of a ten and five) would have the > pin down. In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with > a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the > bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the > shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set > into the bell of the stinger shackle. > > If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg > shackles would go pin down, through the pear. > > More confused? less confused? > > Glad to explain more. > > Rob't > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian James" > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: Rigging question > > > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been >> > told that > >> generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an >> > orientation. > >> Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote: >> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> My policy: If the pin CAN go down, it should go down. >>> If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for >>> whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced. >>> >>> What part of the leg was it? basket, joint, apex? >>> All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg >>> > or > >>> more? or inverted, >>> As always, more info needed. >>> >>> If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you >>> > his > >>> thoughts on it. >>> If you ask him. >>> "No challenge... information please, so I may become >>> > more > >>> versed" >>> >>> Rob't >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Donald A Rowe" >>> >>> >>>> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no >>>> >>>> >>> response so I'll ask the >>> >>> >>>> list.... >>>> >>>> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in >>>> > the > >>> bridal legs with >>> >>> >>>> the pin up. I seem to remember that the pin should be >>>> >>>> >>> down ("the shackle >>> >>> >>>> takes the weight"). Obviously if there is something in >>>> >>>> >>> the shackle that >>> >>> >>>> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle >>>> > but > >>> before I go and >>> >>> >>>> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would >>>> > like > >>> to have some more >>> >>> >>>> information as to why/if I'm correct. So any examples >>>> > or > >>> reasonings would >>> >>> >>>> be great. Also I'm curious to see if people do this >>>> >>>> >>> differently. Thanks >>> >>> >>>> Donald A. Rowe >>>> IATSE Local #3 >>>> Pgh, Pa. 15202 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:25:18 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Powering sound equipment off a generator A small, regional, not-for-profit performing group is, once again, singing in the local 4th of July parade. However, this time, instead of singing in the back of the supplied city truck with the small, 2 mic sound system powered off of the truck, the board of directors has decided to use our own trailer and sound system. Trailer and generator provided by a board member. We're going to use the group's already assembled sound system. System is: 250 watt stereo amp Mackie CFX 12 mixer (powered) Denon cd/tape deck (powered) 5 Audio Technica Wireless Mics (3000 Series) Having never powered a sound system off of a generator, I have several questions and don't know where exactly to go for answers. A) Is this even possible? B) How do I figure out how much power the system needs? C) What do I need to know about the generator? D) Do I need to be concerned about the generator harming the equipment? This is a first for me. Any and all input would, as usual, be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #833 *****************************