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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #834

 1. Re: American Flag (meaning)
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 2. Re: Bellagio fountains recreated
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 3. Re: VW Lighting Symbols
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 4. Re: Shop Floor
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
 5. OT: Rosetta [at] home
    by John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
 6. Re: Rosetta [at] home
    by "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
 7. Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
 8. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
 9. Re: Rosetta [at] home
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
10. Re: New Cast Member Announcement
    by <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
11. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
12. That flag thred once more
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
13. Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
14. Re: Bellagio fountains recreated
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
15. Re: That flag thread, once more
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
16. Re: That flag thread, once more
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
17. Re: Bellagio fountains recreated
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
18. Re: Bellagio fountains recreated
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
19. Re: Shop Floor
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
20. Re: VW Lighting Symbols
    by greggx4 [at] mac.com
21. Re: Rigging question
    by "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
22. Re: audio from a generator
    by Steven Hood <hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com>
23. Re: audio from a generator
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
24. What's in the fridge
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
25. Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
26. (no subject)
    by Pgl87 [at] aol.com
27. Re: (no subject)
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
28. OT: DIY Office Supply Trebuchet
    by "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
29. Re: American Flag
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
30. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
31. Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
32. Re: Semper fi
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
33. Re: Semper fi
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
34. Re: Semper fi
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
35. Re: Semper fi
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
36. Re: Semper fi
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
37. Powering sound equipment off a generator
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
38. Re: ABTT Engineering Conf.
    by "Will Hill" <willhill [at] globalnet.co.uk>
39. That flag thread, once more
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: audio from a generator
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
41. Re: audio from a generator
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
42. Re: audio from a generator
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
43. Semper Fi corrections
    by "Richard Wolpert" <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
44. Re: Semper fi
    by "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
45. Re: That flag thread, once more
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
46. Forever Plaid Costumes
    by Rick Malone <rickmalone [at] sbcglobal.net>
47. Re: Forever Plaid Costumes
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
48. Re: Rosetta [at] home
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
49. Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
    by "Jeffrey Mulvey" <mulvey.tech [at] gmail.com>
50. Re: That flag thred once more
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
51. Re: audio from a generator
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
52. Re: Rigging question
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
53. Re: ABTT Engineering Conf.
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
54. Re: Rigging question
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
55. Re: Rigging question
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
56. Different Rigging question
    by "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
57. Re: Semper Fi corrections
    by "Paul Puppo" <ppuppo [at] gmail.com>
58. Re: Different Rigging question
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
59. Re: Different Rigging question
    by "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
60. Re: textbooks and CADD
    by "Jeffrey Mulvey" <mulvey.tech [at] gmail.com>
61. Re: textbooks and CADD
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
62. Re: Semper Fi corrections
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
63. Re: Different Rigging question
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: American Flag (meaning)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:11:37 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPKEAKEFAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-reply-to: <list-30741681 [at] prxy.net>

Hmmm.....
I think I may regret this, BUT in an attempt to defuse any potential flaming
before I start let me say that what I'm about to say is intended as a calm,
collected observation from the right side of the pond of what MAY OR MAY NOT
be your typical US citizen.

So... (pulls on asbestos boots & jumps.....)

OK, most Americans are patriotic - to varying degrees. So, I would say, are
most Brits.

OK - the US flag is a symbol which by indoctrination from early childhood
is instilled as the symbol to end all symbols in the US. 'Merkins are proud
of that flag, you have songs about it. We, in Britain are ALSO fiercely
proud of the Union Jack (note also the similar word 'Union' there...!), and
are protective of it, and yes, we even have songs about it.

Our two nations, whilst differing greatly in size, have always had this
'love-hate' or 'special relationship' but in many ways are more similar than
some might envisage.... In the last few centuries, the Brits set about
colonising a huge empire, which in it's heyday I suspect may have been even
bigger than the US, and in fact (till 1776 of course) included a goodly
portion of the Americas. But looking at the progress of North America since
the very start, the 'invaders' of the New World effectively colonised the
continent in much the same way as the Brits did elsewhere.

Back at the flags....

To say that we Brits might not be able to appreciate the love of flag and
country is, to be honest, a little insulting. After all, we've been 'at it'
for quite a few hundred years longer, and our traditions go way deeper than
many.

But whilst we do indeed revere the flag as a symbol, we seem to have a
broader sense of what it is - in that it is indeed JUST a symbol. (so here's
where I get flamed, I suppose!!) The flag can and does represent the sense
of nation, both here and across the pond, but isn't it in truth  the PEOPLE
who should embody the spirit of what those flags stand for? We too have
fought battles, again many many of which were fought before the US was even
conceived, and millions of men & women have died serving our Union Flag. I
can't recall that many conflicts over the past hundred years where the
Americans haven't fought alongside the Brits (and others) and died there
too, so we all have the same national memories of pride and loss, depending
on the outcomes.

By all means, the nation's colours are to be respected in all things
official, but what about individuals? If an individual feels that the flag,
for him/her represents all that is good & righteous in their country, then
great - I have absolutely no problem with that - I'd certainly even
encourage it if needs be. And there are those in the UK who do just that.

But where we Brits might seem a little over-awed is in the fact that there's
a whole US Code devoted to the rights & wrongs of flag worship, which seems
to elevate that piece of cloth to almost deific status by law.

We love our flags here in the UK - you've only had to look out of your
window or down the street for weeks now, and for several weeks to come to
see that - People hanging the cross of St George from their bedroom windows,
flying them from small plastic sticks attached to car windows, painting
their faces red & white, having the cross dyed into shaven hair.... Why?
Because of a small thing called the World Cup. We, and other nations,
display our national pride for the rest of the world to see - and do we feel
that the way that these flags are used is disrespectful in any way? No.
Because how one uses the symbol depends entirely upon the context in every
case. Would we accept an act of burning a Union Flag in protest (it has
happened) as acceptable behaviour? No again. But depending on the context of
who, when and why the protest was being made may affect the way we deal with
it.

I have to take a little issue with Kristi's comment about our pomp &
ceremony - sorry, but it's NOT just about the monarchy, although the
monarchy sometimes heads up the 'guest list'. The monarch, as a figurehead,
is simply the focal point of some of the big events, and it's a job they do
exceedingly well. But the reasons for those ceremonies are oft-times rooted
in outward displays of national pride - very MUCH by the people for the
people!

I will say that there may not be as much national pride as there used to be
in an institutional base, but nevertheless it is there bubbling under the
surface. As a lad, I regular attended church parades with the Scouts, and
the turnout to the major events was great - each of the different youth
groups had their own colours, and carried them proudly in front of their
marching colleagues, with many also fielding a Union Flag as well.

Anyway, what was intended as a brief response has ended up as a bit of a
rant, so apologies.

I'm off now to check Ebay for a second hand (hopefully unused) Nomex suit
and a concrete bunker!!

TD

>



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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Bellagio fountains recreated
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:12:30 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPOEAKEFAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-reply-to: <list-30851710 [at] prxy.net>

WOW!!
I loved this!
Thanks Herrick


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Herrick
> Goldman
> Sent: 05 June 2006 03:51
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Bellagio fountains recreated
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> With Mentos and Diet coke.
>
> http://eepybird.com/dcm1.html
>
> Yeah we like these guys.
>
> --
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>
>



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: VW Lighting Symbols
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:25:17 -0400
Message-ID: <002001c6888a$577eccf0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30850882 [at] prxy.net>


 
> Nice spectra par cheat sheet! I'll use it this week.

Thanks for the kind words.  I've been meaning to add more colors, so if you
have any suggestions, I'm happy to add them.


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Message-ID: <001701c6889d$4a7bace0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
References: <list-30858509 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Shop Floor
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:40:55 -1000

<<Masonite can get quite slippery especially when it gets a layer of
sawdust sprinkled on it.  Makes running a sheet of 3/4" plywood through
the table saw by oneself a real challenge sometimes -- almost feels like
you're wearing dress shoes instead of work boots.>>

You've just described an accident waiting to happen. It seems to me it would
be prudent to remedy the situation before he accident happens.

Listen to the inner voice.

I know it sounds kind of new age mystical, but it has been my experience
that something tells me there is going to be an accident, or something is
wrong in what I or someone else around me is doing, ever so slightly before
said accident happens. I have learned to pay attention to that "voice", or
at least try to hear it.

Thirty years building scenery and never been seriously hurt (looking for
wood)... if you exclude a couple of torn up shoulders and a seriously bad
back... but those are simply from wear and tear.

Laters,

Paul



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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:51:42 -0400
Subject: OT: Rosetta [at] home
From: John McKernon <stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C0A9A11E.BE0A%stagecraft2006 [at] mckernon.com>

Dear friends,

I just saw an article about Rosetta [at] home on the Earthlink start page, and it
sounds like a really worthy thing to get involved in - it's like the SETI
project, but aimed at discovering cures for things like cancer and AIDS. It
can be used with Windows, Mac OSX, and Linux.

When your computer is idle, it figures out how an individual protein might
fold or contort. When it's done crunching, it sends the results back to the
Rosetta [at] home computers and grabs more work.

Point your web browser at http://tinyurl.com/97x7c or directly at
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ for more information.

I now return you to the on-topic world of flag discussions...;)

- John



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Message-ID: <008f01c6889f$f565b9a0$1401a8c0 [at] chris>
Reply-To: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
From: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30861564 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Rosetta [at] home
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:00:01 -0400

I've been running this and the Predictor project (both run by the same BOINC 
software) for awhile. I figure if it helps, why not? With cable internet 
access at home, I let the computer do its thing overnight!

Chris Harris
Sapsis Rigging, Inc. 



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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:46:49 -0700
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
In-reply-to: <list-30856378 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <448435C9.3050903 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
References: <list-30856378 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey Mulvey wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> A small, regional, not-for-profit performing group is, once again,
> singing in the local 4th of July parade.  However, this time, instead
> of singing in the back of the supplied city truck with the small, 2
> mic sound system powered off of the truck, the board of directors has
> decided to use our own trailer and sound system.
>
> Trailer and generator provided by a board member.  We're going to use
> the group's already assembled sound system.
>
> System is:
> 250 watt stereo amp
> Mackie CFX 12 mixer  (powered)
> Denon cd/tape deck  (powered)
> 5 Audio Technica Wireless Mics   (3000 Series)
>
> Having never powered a sound system off of a generator, I have several
> questions and don't know where exactly to go for answers.
>
> A)  Is this even possible?
Yes, certainly - we do it all the time. Since this is a new setup for 
you, try everything out under actual parade conditions prior to the 
event. See caveats below.
> B)  How do I figure out how much power the system needs?
 From the equipment list, it looks like your load will be less than 1500 
watts. To be sure, add up the nameplate wattage on all the equipment 
you're powering.
> C)  What do I need to know about the generator?
Not much other than assuring yourself that its rated power output is 
greater than your peak power requirements.
> D)  Do I need to be concerned about the generator harming the equipment?
Probably not. The generator output (I'm presuming the gennie involved 
will be one of the little cheapie camping or home standby units) is 
probably pretty dirty - but your sound equipment is transformer isolated 
so not much will be a problem. There'll be 120 Hz electrical noise and 
harmonics all over the place from the generator if it's like what we 
use, so the power transformers will get a bit warmer than usual - no 
biggie. If the wireless receivers are susceptible to impulse 
interference, that will be a problem with a low-end generator. Test 
before parade day.

If you are using the tape side of the tape/CD player, check in advance 
to be sure its motor is DC/servo controlled. If the tape motor is 
power-line locked there's be unacceptable speed variations as the 
generator hunts around for 60 Hz. Use the CD side if possible, and 
cassette tape only as a last resort.

Be sure the generator is reasonably quiet. It's going to be spinning at 
3600 rpm and making a racket, so a good muffler is a requirement.

You didn't mention speakers (unless that Mackie board has them 
integrated) - Outdoor PA sucks up sound energy so be sure you have 
adequate speakers for the job.

On the other hand, parades are noisy beasts so a bit of distortion 
and/or noise in the PA output and some generator/mechanical noise will 
be mostly unnoticed.

Also, what you're using is an alternator, not a generator... but nobody 
calls them that...

Carla


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:46:40 -0400
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAUisTCPNoOUOGiDKnf98aDAEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-30826679 [at] prxy.net>

Thanks to everyone for all your good wishes. It means a lot.

I may no longer have any free time, but I can think of no better way to =
fill
it. =20

Regards to all,

Peter Scheu
=20
Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Subject: RE: Rosetta [at] home
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:51:49 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C9A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

I've been a SETI [at] Home user for about six years now (both home and work
computers), and added Rosetta about a year ago when they switched SETI
over to the BOINC software.  It's remarkably inobtrusive...

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Subject: RE: New Cast Member Announcement
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:56:30 -0400
Message-ID: <F9E613F2DD66A645B6BD1423FA0EEC322B38AE [at] exchangeb3.ad.fredonia.edu>
From: <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com

Congratulations and Best Wishes to the whole family, Peter!!
Best,
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Peter
Scheu
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:58 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: OT: New Cast Member Announcement

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Betsy & Peter Scheu are proud (and exhausted) to announce the arrival
of:

Evan Alden Scheu
B. May 31, 2006  4:30PM EST
8 lb 6 oz

All involved are very, very, well.

Thanks.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY


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Message-ID: <90d9c9980606050722l7e26c192uc5acaa721d1bdd56 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:22:52 -0400
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
Subject: Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
In-Reply-To: <list-30805148 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30805148 [at] prxy.net>

Hey there!!! That's my birthday too... Congratulations several times
over. Long days and short years are ahead. My girl turns 4 in August
and every day is filled with joy.

Take care, Scott

On 6/3/06, Peter Scheu <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Betsy & Peter Scheu are proud (and exhausted) to announce the arrival of:
>
> Evan Alden Scheu
> B. May 31, 2006  4:30PM EST
> 8 lb 6 oz
>
> All involved are very, very, well.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Peter Scheu
>
> Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
> Syracuse, NY
>
>


-- 
Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-ID: <20060605144042.81569.qmail [at] web50615.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: That flag thred once more
In-Reply-To: <list-30858509 [at] prxy.net>


Thanks Bill,
According to the goose bumps, I got it.

This past Memorial Day I had the Betsey Ross flying
from my truck. I was in a parking lot and a man in a
truck backed up to tell me "I like that flag". 
I said "Thank You" 
He said "I fought for that flag". 
I said "I owe you another Thank you!"

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Subject: RE: Powering sound equipment off a generator
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:45:11 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524798 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>

The last reply covered most of it.  I'd just add that=20
you should have decent line noise suppression and surge=20
suppression on your gear - a Furman AR-15, Mid Atlantic,
ETA, etc. to help protect the electronics from small spikes=20
you can get in the voltage.

Jason



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From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Bellagio fountains recreated
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:58:48 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPOELCDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30858709 [at] prxy.net>

That was great and a lot more fun than Bellagio since we saw the crew doing
the work.

BTW, did anyone notice that the swinging bottles on the side did not go off
as high or as long as the static bottles?  Why would a mixing motion lessen
the effect? .

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Tony
> Deeming
>
> WOW!!
> I loved this!
> Thanks Herrick


Herrick
> > Goldman
> > With Mentos and Diet coke.
> >
> > http://eepybird.com/dcm1.html
> >
> > Yeah we like these guys.
>


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: That flag thread, once more
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> They don't even say it out loud.  And I realize that the flag they are
> holding to their chest was probably wrapped around the coffin that
> brought their son or daughter home.
>
> And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag.  I can't
> describe the feeling to you, but I get it.

I agree, and I have very strong feelings about one particular flag myself.

However, that flag is not one that may have been made in China and bought
for $5.95 off the shelf in a variety store somewhere. If someone wants to
burn the latter, so what?

To me, there is a vast difference between the two flags.

Bill


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: That flag thread, once more
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:13:38 -0400
Message-ID: <004401c688b2$9f7f15a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30864692 [at] prxy.net>

 
> To me, there is a vast difference between the two flags.

...But not in the core values that they both symbolize.


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Subject: RE: Bellagio fountains recreated
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:37:20 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D859539174268402524799 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
Cc: chip.wood [at] ieee.org

>BTW, did anyone notice that the swinging bottles on the side did not go =
off
>as high or as long as the static bottles?  Why would a mixing motion =
lessen
>the effect? .

Just a guess, but maybe the swinging allows the pressure to escape =
faster,=20
getting air pockets within the CO2 "geyser", lessening the effect. =
Purely
speculation, mind you.

Jason


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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Bellagio fountains recreated
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:47:10 -0700


> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> BTW, did anyone notice that the swinging bottles on the side did  
>> not go off
>> as high or as long as the static bottles?  Why would a mixing  
>> motion lessen
>> the effect? .
>

My guess would be that some of the energy produced by the reaction of  
the Diet Coke, and Mentos would be used up to swing the bottles.   
There is only a limited amount of energy produced, so if some energy  
is used to swing the bottles, the geysers would get shortchanged.

My .02

Mark-O



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile



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Message-ID: <20060605155152.27285.qmail [at] web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Shop Floor
In-Reply-To: <list-30861334 [at] prxy.net>

--- Paul Guncheon <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
> Listen to the inner voice.
> 
> I know it sounds kind of new age mystical, but it
> has been my experience
> that something tells me there is going to be an
> accident, or something is
> wrong in what I or someone else around me is doing,
> ever so slightly before
> said accident happens. I have learned to pay
> attention to that "voice", or
> at least try to hear it.


You're not the only one that gets that voice.
Unfortunately for me it usually speaks up just seconds
before the accident. So far it hasn't been anything
that a few stitches couldn't fix. I'll second to
listen to that voice saying "Something is wrong!"

Mike Heinicke

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Message-Id: <B4B7EC1E-8AA4-4A2E-9975-45C183C0F04A [at] mac.com>
Reply-To: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
From: greggx4 [at] mac.com
Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:10:20 -0400

You pay the airfare, I'll come do one for you. VBG!  I do them all  
the time for USITT-chesapeake, or at whatever conference the  
Nemetschek folks visit...

g.
_____________________
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portfolio & life as we know it:
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hurt. Dance like no one's watching."
Satchel Paige

On Jun 4, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Jon Ares wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> Cris Dopher
>> ...giving presentation on Spotlight June 14th at Apple Store  
>> SoHo.   Be there or be inverse squared.
>>
>
>
> Oh, how I wish someone (such as Chris) would hold a Vectorworks  
> seminar (or eight) on the west coast - preferably Portland or  
> Seattle....  for us that come from an AutoCad/QuickCad (and the  
> ilk) background.....
>
>    - Jon Ares (that has only exploited Vectorworks v9 for light plots)
> www.hevanet.com/acreative


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Message-ID: <004301c688bc$1fc3e980$0201a8c0 [at] hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
References: <list-30851668 [at] prxy.net> <list-30852996 [at] prxy.net> <list-30853081 [at] prxy.net> <list-30853528 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Rigging question
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:21:39 -0400

In the situation(s) where I had the question the bridals were as follows:

2 legs: Split 15' Basket Pin Up on the open joint (made in the air) and pin
down on the bottom, a 15' leg (10' & 5' pin up) to a pin down shackle for
the 20' Down with a pin up shackle for the motor.

Well I think that makes sense to me, 2 straight days of 16 hour rigging
calls are wearing on me, the original hang called for 2 points outside the
building.  Why again do we bother sending advances to industrial shows?

Donald A. Rowe
IATSE Local #3
Pgh, Pa. 15202

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Cc: <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Rigging question


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Pin should go to the motor as  the general reference.  The
> "bottom"  shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of
> the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that
> take up the  bell of the shackle.  From above, the steel
> that comes off the basket is pin down,  a joint (say a
> fifteen leg consisting of  a ten and five)  would have the
> pin down.  In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with
> a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the
> bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the
> shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set
> into the bell of the stinger shackle.
>
> If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg
> shackles would go pin down, through the pear.
>
> More confused? less confused?
>
> Glad to explain more.
>
> Rob't
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Rigging question
>
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been
> told that
> > generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an
> orientation.
> > Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote:
> > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My policy:  If the pin CAN go down, it should go down.
> > > If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for
> > > whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced.
> > >
> > > What part of the leg was it?  basket, joint, apex?
> > > All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg
> or
> > > more? or inverted,
> > > As always, more info needed.
> > >
> > > If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you
> his
> > > thoughts on it.
> > > If you ask him.
> > > "No challenge... information please, so I may become
> more
> > > versed"
> > >
> > > Rob't
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
> > >
> > >> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no
> > >>
> > > response so I'll ask the
> > >
> > >> list....
> > >>
> > >> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in
> the
> > >>
> > > bridal legs with
> > >
> > >> the pin up.  I seem to remember that the pin should be
> > >>
> > > down ("the shackle
> > >
> > >> takes the weight").  Obviously if there is something in
> > >>
> > > the shackle that
> > >
> > >> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle
> but
> > >>
> > > before I go and
> > >
> > >> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would
> like
> > >>
> > > to have some more
> > >
> > >> information as to why/if I'm correct.  So any examples
> or
> > >>
> > > reasonings would
> > >
> > >> be great.  Also I'm curious to see if people do this
> > >>
> > > differently.  Thanks
> > >
> > >> Donald A. Rowe
> > >> IATSE Local #3
> > >> Pgh, Pa. 15202
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>


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Message-ID: <20060605163057.148.qmail [at] web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Hood <hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
In-Reply-To: <list-30858509 [at] prxy.net>

First off, I'd do some math on the gear itself and
make sure that the total wattage of the gear isn't
more than the genny itself is rated for... From the
looks, you should be fine even with a little 1.8 kW
unit, if they even come that small... Then, I'd go get
a really nice power conditioner from either Furman or
ETA (I think that's the right group) or the like... I
don't know that you'll be able to ground to anything
in this configuration, but small parade floats get
rigged this way quite often, though I'd imagine the
Rose Parade and that ilk are all wireless to someone
alongside the route with a huge desk and wireless rig,
all very well grounded... If you do ground your rig to
the chassis of the trailer, make sure you only ground
your system in one place...
Beyond that, mix carefully... It'll be interesting...
Anything I missed, Chris or John?
Cheers,
Steven
TD, Regent Uni

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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:20 -0700

I would use a generator from Honda that uses a inverter.  They are  
whisper quiet, and the power that comes out of them is very clean.   
The cool thing about these are that one can link a couple together to  
get more wattage.

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/gensup.asp

Mark-O



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile





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Message-ID: <20060605172546.87265.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:25:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: What's in the fridge
In-Reply-To: <list-30792560 [at] prxy.net>

Hey Clive,

I appreciate you more and more -- a Scrumpy Jack on
you sir!

Paul

> 
> I'll stick to cider.  It's very appley at any
> temperature.
> 
> -- 
> Clive Mitchell
> http://www.bigclive.com


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Message-ID: <448469E3.9040106 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:29:07 -0400
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
References: <list-30856378 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30856378 [at] prxy.net>

Start by figuring out you total loads, usually generators are rated in 
watts or Kilo watts. Once you know that you in goos shape. The URL 
http://www.aggreko.com/customerctr/Formulas-and-Calculations.asp

Has some handy formulas that may be helpful.

Yes you can run sound off of generators, I do it more than I care to 
admit to. However you need to be careful about a few things:
1) Frequency, we have had generators that have been significantly off 
the 60hz standard.
2) Voltage, some, especially the construction generators, can run VERY 
hot an are difficult at best to adjust.
3) If you size the generator wrong, they will toss an attitude at you if 
you load varies too much

Make sure you ground the generator correctly, there are some specific 
requirements in the NEC for this.

One of the most reputable companies I have worked with is Aggreko (the 
URL above), tell them what you need and they pretty much take care of 
it, for a price. Other companies that do one off power rentals are CAT 
and Prime Power. I have used CAT gear but nor Prime Power.

The three companies listed usually carry generators that are 
specifically designed for entertainment use. If you have not played with 
a generator before, I would highly suggest you pay for a generator and 
an operator from a good company. I have seen or heard of many generators 
fail during shows. Usually, as best I can tell, they were "on the cheap" 
generators or not sized correctly.

Hope this helps.


Jeffrey Mulvey wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> A small, regional, not-for-profit performing group is, once again,
> singing in the local 4th of July parade.  However, this time, instead
> of singing in the back of the supplied city truck with the small, 2
> mic sound system powered off of the truck, the board of directors has
> decided to use our own trailer and sound system.
>
> Trailer and generator provided by a board member.  We're going to use
> the group's already assembled sound system.
>
> System is:
> 250 watt stereo amp
> Mackie CFX 12 mixer  (powered)
> Denon cd/tape deck  (powered)
> 5 Audio Technica Wireless Mics   (3000 Series)
>
> Having never powered a sound system off of a generator, I have several
> questions and don't know where exactly to go for answers.
>
> A)  Is this even possible?
> B)  How do I figure out how much power the system needs?
> C)  What do I need to know about the generator?
> D)  Do I need to be concerned about the generator harming the equipment?
>
> This is a first for me.  Any and all input would, as usual, be greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks much.
> Jeff Mulvey
>


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From: Pgl87 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <3b4.437e569.31b5cd8c [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:10:20 EDT
Subject: (no subject)

Corporate American Beer sucks, but there are quite a few breweries that are 
in operation in this country (I think it has finally come of age?) now, and 
quite a few that
would make any Brit feel right at home.  Or German!  
               
              Chris "Chris" Babbie
                Location Sound
                MON AZ

I would like to point out a regional favorite in the Northeast and Also the 
Nation's Oldest Brewery. Yuengling opened in 1829 in Pottsville Pennsylvania 
and has been in constant ever since. They now operate three breweries in the 
Northeast and one in Florida while still maintaining the family feel and high 
product quality.


http://www.yuengling.com/



 

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: (no subject)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:13:33 -0400
Message-ID: <005f01c688cb$c1df3fd0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30868623 [at] prxy.net>

 
> quite a few that
> would make any Brit feel right at home.  Or German!

We have beers that would make any Brit feel German?


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Message-ID: <003201c688ce$33848080$0601a8c0 [at] shop2>
From: "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
Subject: OT: DIY Office Supply Trebuchet
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:31:02 -0400

So, I know we've had talks of building trebs here before...this isn't quite
the "more power!" scale many of us love, but a bit more approachable for
beginners, LOL:

http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/535B13C242DD1029AC23001143E7E506/


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605131619.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:16:19
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: American Flag

>That, coming from the mouth/fingers of a conservative...

And then there was the part where I said, "Conservatives tend to" which was
meant to indicate that this isn't necessarily true of all conservatives,
just a tendency that I have notice; and "It ain't always the case", which
was intended to include you, who doesn't chase the almighty buck.
In that light, I think that this statement is not only incorrect, it is
logically impossible!
>Speaking for myself, you couldn't be more wrong...

Also, conservatives have changed dramatically over the years since Reagan
and McCarthy went liberal-hunting.  I have quite a few conservative values,
my-own-self, but they aren't parallel with the conservatives I hear on the
radio today.  I'm not sure that the lables are even valid anymore.

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605134405.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:44:05
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement

>Betsy & Peter Scheu are proud (and exhausted) to announce the arrival of:
> Evan Alden Scheu

A whole new definition of the word awaits you, my brother!  Congratz!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:45:24 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: OT: New Cast Member Announcement
In-reply-to: <list-30862677 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <448497E4.6050409 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-30862677 [at] prxy.net>

Peter Scheu wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thanks to everyone for all your good wishes. It means a lot.
> 
> I may no longer have any free time, but I can think of no better way to fill
> it.  

Best Wishes to all of you.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605135725.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:57:25
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Semper fi

>> Hey its rude to speak a foreign language in front of non-speakers...

>Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American.  They  
>must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace.


What?  Latin!?!  What did we do to the guy that posted the quote from Pres.
Bartlett?  Is he locked up somewhere?  'Semper Fi' is just slang for
'Semper Fidelis', or 'Always True'.  
			Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
					CB


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605135807.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:58:07
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Semper fi

>Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.

Or an old Catholic..
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605135859.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:58:59
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Semper fi

>Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I have been, but if you want to make it official, what's it pay?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:54:21 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Semper fi
In-reply-to: <list-30871766 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060605135120.01efbcb8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30871766 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:57 AM 6/5/2006, CB wrote:
>What?  Latin!?!  What did we do to the guy that posted the quote from Pres.
>Bartlett?  Is he locked up somewhere?  'Semper Fi' is just slang for
>'Semper Fidelis', or 'Always True'.
>                         Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
>                                         CB

You must have missed the good-natured harassment in there 
someplace.  The political guys are trying to make English our one and 
only official language and a requirement to not get deported.  I was 
just poking at the fact that our own military uses Latin phrases and 
English happens to come from England, a foreign country!


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Semper fi
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:02:10 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPIELHDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30871766 [at] prxy.net>

Can't get any more foreign than a language that is not spoken any more.  We
all know that those Romans were terrorists.  Whupped ass on them Gauls and
Brits.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of CB
> >> Hey its rude to speak a foreign language in front of non-speakers...
>
> >Right, speaking a foreign language is totally anti-American.  They
> >must be terrorists, send them off to a camp someplace.
>
>
> What?  Latin!?!


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605143733.00c0b200 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:37:33
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Powering sound equipment off a generator

>250 watt stereo amp
>Mackie CFX 12 mixer  (powered)
>Denon cd/tape deck  (powered)
>5 Audio Technica Wireless Mics   (3000 Series)
>
>A)  Is this even possible?
>B)  How do I figure out how much power the system needs?
>C)  What do I need to know about the generator?
>D)  Do I need to be concerned about the generator harming the equipment?

First off, the term 'powered' usually meant that the mixer has an amp
on-bard, and doesn't require an additional amp.  IIRC, the Mackie in
question is not 'powered' in this sense.  In the sense that they will
require AC, yeah, then I guess both the Mackie and the Denon are 'powered',
but then so is the amp and the rxvr's for the wireless mics.  BTW, why five
wirelss mics?  Wired mics are so much more dependable and require a whole
lot less user knowledge.  I'd think on a trailer there'd be almost nowhere
to go...

Anyhoo, you mention an amp at 250 watts, stereo.  That's like saying you
have a V-8 that'll do 40 MPH, and you want to know what kind of mileage
you're gonna get.
So, is this 250 W per side, or 125 W per side?  IS this amp reated at 4
Ohms, or 8?  Possibly 2?  At 250W per side at 4 Ohms, I'd suggest you have
a thousand watts available for the amp.

A.  Yep, completely possible,  What kind of genny are you going to have? If
you have a construction site genny (and old V-6 or a straight 4 kluged up
to a generator), I'd think twice.  A home generator, providing that it is
properly cooled, rated for the continuous use you meant to put it through,
grounded, and has the fuel capacity to do what it needs to do, hasw been
reasonably or recently well maintained, it could work.  Anyone that rents
gennies for the entertainment industry specifically will be able to puyt
you in touch with an adequate generator designed to be used in this manner,
though.  There are gennies used for film that are quiet, dependable, put
out scads of juice, and cost a pretty penny to rent.  You may also have to
pay an operator.  I've gotten away with not paying an op because I could
demonstrate that I knew what the heck I was doing.

B. Read the ID plate (usually next to the plug on the piece of gear) where
it describes the kit.  It'll say something like "115V - 60 Hz - 250 mW" or
something similar.  If you aren't capable of converting Milliwatts to amps,
or amps to watts, it amy be safer to let someone else handle this.  The kit
that you describe could be done with a 4500W gennie, though.  Anything that
you add to that load is on you, and I won't take responsibility for it.
Heck, what am I talking about?  I'm not taking responsibility for any of
this!  ; >

C. I think that I covered this.  

D. It is possible.  There are varying levels of protectin builtinto
generators, dbending on what they will be used for.  The construction site
gennie I described will not have much, if any.  The film-use gennie will be
designed to provide power to very expensive and esoteric kit in addition to
lighting, so there will be quite a bit of protection built in.  OTOH, none
of the kit that you mentioned so far is that awful sensitive, and will tend
to operate from 90V AC to 140 V.  The frequency is going to be important,
and oscillations in the operation of the gennie will affect the stability.
Getting an expensive generator rental bill is always cheaper than getting
an expensive repair/replacement bill.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: "Will Hill" <willhill [at] globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: RE: ABTT Engineering Conf.
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:30:49 +0100
Message-ID: <EOEDJNPOLEFDPNANGIJEAENCDFAA.willhill [at] globalnet.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <list-30653639 [at] prxy.net>

Scott,

TEA Conference and ABTT show. I will be there for duration and also be Jolly
at the Jolly Hotel. Let me know on or off list if any plans have been made.

Look forward to meeting some list members in sunny London Town.

Will Hill,
Technical Manager,
Theatre Royal Norwich,

w.hill [at] theatreroyalnorwich.co.uk




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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060605143858.00cbb348 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:38:58
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: That flag thread, once more

>And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag.  I can't describe
>the feeling to you, but I get it.

I'm not sure I can read the list anymore.  The crying is taking a lot out
of me.

It ain't the flag, Bill, its the symbolism.  If that couple had been
clutching a pair of empty combat boots, you think you would have felt
differently?  I'll defend what that flag represents to the death, and I've
made that promise in public.  The flag itself, however, is just a piece of
art, cause we can't print the feelings that you get on your bike on that ride.
I know that feeling.  I got it riding past a couple at the VietNam Vet
Memorial in DC last month.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV4887E8D08CE7081AAEC2EBD940 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-30866737 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:39:09 -0700

Everything been right up to grounding the gennie to the trailer/truck. Being 
that most likely the trailer/truck has rubber tires on it, it is isolated 
from earth ground. By bonding the gennie to chassis you now have created a 
path for current to flow. Also the electronics in truck may not like the 
gennie one bit.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Hood" <hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com>
>
> First off, I'd do some math on the gear itself and
> make sure that the total wattage of the gear isn't
> more than the genny itself is rated for... From the
> looks, you should be fine even with a little 1.8 kW
> unit, if they even come that small... Then, I'd go get
> a really nice power conditioner from either Furman or
> ETA (I think that's the right group) or the like... I
> don't know that you'll be able to ground to anything
> in this configuration, but small parade floats get
> rigged this way quite often, though I'd imagine the
> Rose Parade and that ilk are all wireless to someone
> alongside the route with a huge desk and wireless rig,
> all very well grounded... If you do ground your rig to
> the chassis of the trailer, make sure you only ground
> your system in one place...
> Beyond that, mix carefully... It'll be interesting...
> Anything I missed, Chris or John?
> Cheers,
> Steven
> TD, Regent Uni
>
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Message-ID: <zGtpDlKYlLhEFw1k [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:08:08 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
References: <list-30866737 [at] prxy.net> <list-30874096 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30874096 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30874096 [at] prxy.net>, Occy <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com> writes
>Everything been right up to grounding the gennie to the trailer/truck. 
>Being that most likely the trailer/truck has rubber tires on it, it is 
>isolated from earth ground. By bonding the gennie to chassis you now 
>have created a path for current to flow. Also the electronics in truck 
>may not like the gennie one bit.

If the gennies got it's output referenced to it's chassis then it must 
be bonded to the truck chassis and localised ground area with a spike or 
plate.

It's all about preventing potential difference between ground, chassis 
or generator in the event of a fault.

It bugs me when I see generators without their spikes or other grounding 
system being used.  There have been some pretty sad accidents in the 
past when current has found a route via the ground back to the generator 
via people who simply reached up and grabbed the cab handle, climbed 
onto the truck or attempted to turn the generator off.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:19:33 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
In-reply-to: <list-30874558 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060605161906.01ebe3e0 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30866737 [at] prxy.net> <list-30874096 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30874558 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:08 PM 6/5/2006, Clive Mitchell wrote:
>If the gennies got it's output referenced to it's chassis then it 
>must be bonded to the truck chassis and localised ground area with a 
>spike or plate.

What do you do in the case of a float that's moving, can't hardly 
drive a spike in the road.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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From: "Richard Wolpert" <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
Subject: Semper Fi corrections
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:30:06 -0400
Message-ID: <KIEIJNECPAAGNDKNCFBHMEDBGCAA.richw [at] unionconnector.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30827801 [at] prxy.net>

I'm just a dumb former Jarhead, but in the interests of accuracy I had to
respond.

1. Semper Fi = Semper Fidelis = Always Faithful. I don't know if it's the
true Latin interpretation, but it's one of the first things you learn as a
"boot".
2. Jarhead is one word.
3. Don't even get me started on sailors without a ship.....  at least word
the insult in proper terms. It should be "squids without a boat"
4. Camp Lejeune is not in France, even if many of us have been to Parris (
spelling correct ).

Richard A.Wolpert
President
Union Connector Co., Inc.
40 Dale Street
West Babylon, NY  11704
Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204
Fx: 631-753-9560
richw [at] unionconnector.com






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Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606051648q4020fca1xf3445a1ee017170d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:48:47 -0500
From: "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Semper fi

Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> Writes:

> BTW, Aren't Marines just sailors without a ship?  :)

Boy!  It's a good thing you've got a smiley there.  Otherwise I'd have
to do evil things to your body, beat you severely about the head and
shoulders, kill you two or three times and THEN I'd have to hurt you!
;-)
-- 
Michael

Michael Powers
Director of Operations
Central Lighting & Equipment
1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
West Des Moines Iowa 50265
515-277-4190   877-977-4190
Fax  515-277-2295
515-557-0178  cell
michael [at] clelights.com

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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: That flag thread, once more
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:44:10 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPGELJDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30872610 [at] prxy.net>

Speaking of feelings- Was on the DC Mall last month and decided to see the
new WWII Memorial.  Uck, what a hodge-podge collection of cliched crap.  The
families were yakking and wandering about eating ice cream cones, kids
chasing each other, dunking their feet in the water, just generally giving
it as much honor and dignity as a strip mall.

Couldn't take it and went over to the Vietnam Memorial.  Nobody was eating,
chasing, but a lot of solemn people slowly walking (including the kids)
maybe touching the wall once or twice.  Even saw a few tears through mine.

Sometimes it is the ART of the presentation- the US flag and the Vietnam
Memorial have that.  I'm sorry, but the WWII Memorial doesn't.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of CB
> >And that's when I understand the symbolism of the flag.  I can't describe
> >the feeling to you, but I get it.
>
> I'm not sure I can read the list anymore.  The crying is taking a lot out
> of me.
>
> It ain't the flag, Bill, its the symbolism.
> I know that feeling.  I got it riding past a couple at the VietNam Vet
> Memorial in DC last month.


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Message-ID: <20060606004859.58691.qmail [at] web80514.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:48:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Malone <rickmalone [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Forever Plaid Costumes

Help.

My wife is directing and costuming Forever Plaid.  She
is in need of 4-5 Plaid Tux jackets  44-46. Her actors
have big chests.  So far the rent/buy options are out
of the budget (1000+).  Anybody have any suggestions?

Rick Malone
in San Antonio

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Message-ID: <20060605175716.dci4ko8s448sk4ko [at] www.email.arizona.edu>
Date: Mon,  5 Jun 2006 17:57:16 -0700
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Forever Plaid Costumes
References: <list-30876894 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30876894 [at] prxy.net>

Quoting Rick Malone <rickmalone [at] sbcglobal.net>:

> My wife is directing and costuming Forever Plaid.  She
> is in need of 4-5 Plaid Tux jackets  44-46. Her actors
> have big chests.  So far the rent/buy options are out
> of the budget (1000+).  Anybody have any suggestions?
>
> Rick Malone
> in San Antonio

There is some guy who hangs out at the local coffee shop, here in 
Tucson. He has
tattooed his arms in plaid. I'm afraid to ask if it continues past his shirt
sleeves...

Mark-O

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
520-621-7025
520-591-1803 Mobile



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Message-ID: <e91d76400606051904m369cca0bhe3512f841eaa39d6 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:04:21 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: Rosetta [at] home
In-Reply-To: <list-30862797 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30862797 [at] prxy.net>

I've dropped off the SETI wagon as of late, but I have been quite
active with distributed computing projects. There are a bunch of them
for the BOINC DCP management software, which is probably the best out
there.

Here's a combined stats page for my team (Me, Mom & Dad and a few
friends). Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be listing me right now,
probably because I just joined a new project and had to create the
team there.

http://stats.kwsn.net/team.php?proj=all&teamid=11741

DCP can be pretty powerful stuff. Makes me think I'm doing something
to contribute to the world of science. It would be interesting to see
how much computing power could be mustered if EVERY computer got
attached. As for me, I've got a fourth computer running just for the
sake of DCP. Call me a nerd if you wish.

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Message-ID: <d19db28f0606051911h1fc247f7mf6e67cb108af247 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:11:13 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" <mulvey.tech [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Powering sound equipment off a generator
In-Reply-To: <list-30872561 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30872561 [at] prxy.net>

>BTW, why five
> wirelss mics?  Wired mics are so much more dependable and require a whole
> lot less user knowledge.  I'd think on a trailer there'd be almost nowhere
> to go...

Thanks for the help.

True, there is no where to really go and wired mics would be a whole
lot more dependable.  Given the option, I would go with wired mics.
However, the not-for-profit, still-in-it's-infancy, production company
saw the need to go wireless right of the bat, due to the complex
coreography in their very first fundraising show.  They have yet to
get around to buying a good set of wired mics.  Due to a limited
budget, I don't see them buying any more sound equipment within one
month's time.  So, for now, wireless is all they have.

Thanks again.
Jeff

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Message-ID: <e91d76400606051914j3b2aae1bxd61867d079dabfbe [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:14:12 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: That flag thred once more
In-Reply-To: <list-30864124 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30858509 [at] prxy.net> <list-30864124 [at] prxy.net>

On 6/5/06, b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This past Memorial Day I had the Betsey Ross flying
> from my truck. I was in a parking lot and a man in a
> truck backed up to tell me "I like that flag".
> I said "Thank You"
> He said "I fought for that flag".
> I said "I owe you another Thank you!"
>

He must have been a pretty old guy... The 13-star Betsy Ross flag was
retired in 1795.

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Message-ID: <e91d76400606051934u1bf73ff8kc2e2ecb5e98007c2 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:34:03 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: audio from a generator
In-Reply-To: <list-30874900 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30866737 [at] prxy.net> <list-30874096 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-30874558 [at] prxy.net> <list-30874900 [at] prxy.net>

On 6/5/06, Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:
>
> What do you do in the case of a float that's moving, can't hardly
> drive a spike in the road.
>

Drag chain?

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:27:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Rigging question
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0AA443A.DA12%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30866464 [at] prxy.net>

I'm coming a bit late to this one and if I'm duplicating another's response,
my apologies.  We're assuming it's a screw pin anchor shackle, yes?

The orientation of a shackle is determined solely by the number of devices
being placed into the shackle. The bell is designed to carry multiple
devices and the pin is designed to carry one.  So, if you have bridle legs
coming down they go into the bell and the shackle is oriented pin down.

But, if you have a stinger coming down and then an inverted bridle running
off the bottom of the stinger, then the shackle would be pin up.

If you have one sling running into the shackle and one sling running out, as
in when you need a 30' downtail but only have 2 15' slings, then the shackle
could be pin up or pin down.  It does not care.

And now to change the subject...

2 straight days of 16 hour rigging calls?  Who thought that was a good idea.
You should take a look at the sleep depravation studies that have been done
to see what happens to your ability to function.  Your manual dexterity
functions and you ability to reason start falling after 10 hours.  By 14
hours all thought processes are pretty much in the toilet.  I would strongly
advise you to talk with your supervisors and find a better way. That kind of
schedule is an accident just waiting to happen.

And before the rest of you start yelling at me about how "that's the way it
is in this business", please understand that I do not care.  The science is
right there.  It's no mystery what happens to a person's body and mind when
they don't get enough sleep.  And accidents happen.  OK. So maybe it's not a
huge 'front page' kind of accident.  How about if your the guy who has been
up too long and your reaction times are too slow and you get your finger
caught in a drive chain?  It cuts off the end of your finger, right?  Now
you have a slightly shorter finger and it doesn't look as nice as the others
and, most importantly, the tip is nerve dead.  You have no feeling in it.
So you spend the rest of your life compensating for that little problem.
Yeah, that's me.  Happened in '88 and it's been a very minor annoyance ever
since.

OK.  So let's ramp it up a bit.  Let's say you lose the entire finger.
That's a little more annoying, right?  And why did this happen?  Because
someone did not schedule the work properly and asked (forced?) you to stay
up for back to back 16 hour calls.  Is that person the one missing the
finger? Nope, it's you.  Was it worth it?  I don't think so.

Just my $.02 worth.  YMMV

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 6/5/06 12:21 PM, "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In the situation(s) where I had the question the bridals were as follows:
> 
> 2 legs: Split 15' Basket Pin Up on the open joint (made in the air) and pin
> down on the bottom, a 15' leg (10' & 5' pin up) to a pin down shackle for
> the 20' Down with a pin up shackle for the motor.
> 
> Well I think that makes sense to me, 2 straight days of 16 hour rigging
> calls are wearing on me, the original hang called for 2 points outside the
> building.  Why again do we bother sending advances to industrial shows?
> 
> Donald A. Rowe
> IATSE Local #3
> Pgh, Pa. 15202
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Cc: <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Rigging question
> 
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Pin should go to the motor as  the general reference.  The
>> "bottom"  shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of
>> the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that
>> take up the  bell of the shackle.  From above, the steel
>> that comes off the basket is pin down,  a joint (say a
>> fifteen leg consisting of  a ten and five)  would have the
>> pin down.  In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with
>> a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the
>> bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the
>> shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set
>> into the bell of the stinger shackle.
>> 
>> If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg
>> shackles would go pin down, through the pear.
>> 
>> More confused? less confused?
>> 
>> Glad to explain more.
>> 
>> Rob't
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Rigging question
>> 
>> 
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
>> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been
>> told that
>>> generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an
>> orientation.
>>> Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote:
>>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
>> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My policy:  If the pin CAN go down, it should go down.
>>>> If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for
>>>> whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced.
>>>> 
>>>> What part of the leg was it?  basket, joint, apex?
>>>> All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg
>> or
>>>> more? or inverted,
>>>> As always, more info needed.
>>>> 
>>>> If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you
>> his
>>>> thoughts on it.
>>>> If you ask him.
>>>> "No challenge... information please, so I may become
>> more
>>>> versed"
>>>> 
>>>> Rob't
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
>>>> 
>>>>> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no
>>>>> 
>>>> response so I'll ask the
>>>> 
>>>>> list....
>>>>> 
>>>>> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in
>> the
>>>>> 
>>>> bridal legs with
>>>> 
>>>>> the pin up.  I seem to remember that the pin should be
>>>>> 
>>>> down ("the shackle
>>>> 
>>>>> takes the weight").  Obviously if there is something in
>>>>> 
>>>> the shackle that
>>>> 
>>>>> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle
>> but
>>>>> 
>>>> before I go and
>>>> 
>>>>> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would
>> like
>>>>> 
>>>> to have some more
>>>> 
>>>>> information as to why/if I'm correct.  So any examples
>> or
>>>>> 
>>>> reasonings would
>>>> 
>>>>> be great.  Also I'm curious to see if people do this
>>>>> 
>>>> differently.  Thanks
>>>> 
>>>>> Donald A. Rowe
>>>>> IATSE Local #3
>>>>> Pgh, Pa. 15202
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 



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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: ABTT Engineering Conf.
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C0AA6B3B.DA23%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30872584 [at] prxy.net>

One can only hope.....
See you 
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>



there.
Bill S


On 6/5/06 5:30 PM, "Will Hill" <willhill [at] globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Look forward to meeting some list members in sunny London Town.



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <418.2cc533b.31b65481 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:46:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Rigging question

bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes:
<<   And before the rest  of you start yelling at me about how "that's the 
way it
is in this business",  please understand that I do not care. >>
 

Bill - you sound like Doc Doom... and both of you are 100% right on  this. 
And you do care - a LOT - or you wouldn't have said anything.
 


Kristi
 

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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV2F51656768B5FA971999EBD950 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-30879428 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Rigging question
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:34:36 -0700

Bill, your right and saved me from typing it out. But you bought up point 
the IA had a campaign basically bought up by local 600 to stop working after 
14 hours years ago what happened to that? Personally I won't work more than 
10 hours in a harness. And I am the one that broke the records for the most 
legal amount of coin in one shift in my local.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
>
> I'm coming a bit late to this one and if I'm duplicating another's 
> response,
> my apologies.  We're assuming it's a screw pin anchor shackle, yes?
>
> The orientation of a shackle is determined solely by the number of devices
> being placed into the shackle. The bell is designed to carry multiple
> devices and the pin is designed to carry one.  So, if you have bridle legs
> coming down they go into the bell and the shackle is oriented pin down.
>
> But, if you have a stinger coming down and then an inverted bridle running
> off the bottom of the stinger, then the shackle would be pin up.
>
> If you have one sling running into the shackle and one sling running out, 
> as
> in when you need a 30' downtail but only have 2 15' slings, then the 
> shackle
> could be pin up or pin down.  It does not care.
>
> And now to change the subject...
>
> 2 straight days of 16 hour rigging calls?  Who thought that was a good 
> idea.
> You should take a look at the sleep depravation studies that have been 
> done
> to see what happens to your ability to function.  Your manual dexterity
> functions and you ability to reason start falling after 10 hours.  By 14
> hours all thought processes are pretty much in the toilet.  I would 
> strongly
> advise you to talk with your supervisors and find a better way. That kind 
> of
> schedule is an accident just waiting to happen.
>
> And before the rest of you start yelling at me about how "that's the way 
> it
> is in this business", please understand that I do not care.  The science 
> is
> right there.  It's no mystery what happens to a person's body and mind 
> when
> they don't get enough sleep.  And accidents happen.  OK. So maybe it's not 
> a
> huge 'front page' kind of accident.  How about if your the guy who has 
> been
> up too long and your reaction times are too slow and you get your finger
> caught in a drive chain?  It cuts off the end of your finger, right?  Now
> you have a slightly shorter finger and it doesn't look as nice as the 
> others
> and, most importantly, the tip is nerve dead.  You have no feeling in it.
> So you spend the rest of your life compensating for that little problem.
> Yeah, that's me.  Happened in '88 and it's been a very minor annoyance 
> ever
> since.
>
> OK.  So let's ramp it up a bit.  Let's say you lose the entire finger.
> That's a little more annoying, right?  And why did this happen?  Because
> someone did not schedule the work properly and asked (forced?) you to stay
> up for back to back 16 hour calls.  Is that person the one missing the
> finger? Nope, it's you.  Was it worth it?  I don't think so.
>
> Just my $.02 worth.  YMMV
>
> Bill S.
> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
> www.sapsis-rigging.com
> 800.727.7471
> 267.278.4561 mobile
>
> Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
> motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/5/06 12:21 PM, "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > In the situation(s) where I had the question the bridals were as 
> > follows:
> >
> > 2 legs: Split 15' Basket Pin Up on the open joint (made in the air) and 
> > pin
> > down on the bottom, a 15' leg (10' & 5' pin up) to a pin down shackle 
> > for
> > the 20' Down with a pin up shackle for the motor.
> >
> > Well I think that makes sense to me, 2 straight days of 16 hour rigging
> > calls are wearing on me, the original hang called for 2 points outside 
> > the
> > building.  Why again do we bother sending advances to industrial shows?
> >
> > Donald A. Rowe
> > IATSE Local #3
> > Pgh, Pa. 15202
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" <idahoscenic [at] earthlink.net>
> > To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> > Cc: <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rigging question
> >
> >
> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> >> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Pin should go to the motor as  the general reference.  The
> >> "bottom"  shackle, the one that sets into the bottom hook of
> >> the motor, I usually do pin up as I have two spansets that
> >> take up the  bell of the shackle.  From above, the steel
> >> that comes off the basket is pin down,  a joint (say a
> >> fifteen leg consisting of  a ten and five)  would have the
> >> pin down.  In a "normal" bridle (call it two even legs with
> >> a less than 60 degree spread) the pin would go up at the
> >> bottom of each leg (apex) and the stinger would have the
> >> shackle with pin down. The bells of the leg shackles set
> >> into the bell of the stinger shackle.
> >>
> >> If I were to use a pear ring at the apex, the bridle leg
> >> shackles would go pin down, through the pear.
> >>
> >> More confused? less confused?
> >>
> >> Glad to explain more.
> >>
> >> Rob't
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
> >> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Rigging question
> >>
> >>
> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> >> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Why would you always want the pin down? I had always been
> >> told that
> >>> generally the "pin should go to the motor" for an
> >> orientation.
> >>> Idaho Scenic & Rigging wrote:
> >>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> >> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My policy:  If the pin CAN go down, it should go down.
> >>>> If I don't like the looks of an upside down shackle, for
> >>>> whatever reason, a pear ring will be introduced.
> >>>>
> >>>> What part of the leg was it?  basket, joint, apex?
> >>>> All steel or spanset? Regular (concert) bridle, two leg
> >> or
> >>>> more? or inverted,
> >>>> As always, more info needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> If he is a senior rigger he shouldn't mind telling you
> >> his
> >>>> thoughts on it.
> >>>> If you ask him.
> >>>> "No challenge... information please, so I may become
> >> more
> >>>> versed"
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob't
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Donald A Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I tried to look this up in the archives but got no
> >>>>>
> >>>> response so I'll ask the
> >>>>
> >>>>> list....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While on a rigging call I was told to put shackles in
> >> the
> >>>>>
> >>>> bridal legs with
> >>>>
> >>>>> the pin up.  I seem to remember that the pin should be
> >>>>>
> >>>> down ("the shackle
> >>>>
> >>>>> takes the weight").  Obviously if there is something in
> >>>>>
> >>>> the shackle that
> >>>>
> >>>>> could slide across the pin you would spin the shackle
> >> but
> >>>>>
> >>>> before I go and
> >>>>
> >>>>> attempt to tell a senior rigger he is wrong I would
> >> like
> >>>>>
> >>>> to have some more
> >>>>
> >>>>> information as to why/if I'm correct.  So any examples
> >> or
> >>>>>
> >>>> reasonings would
> >>>>
> >>>>> be great.  Also I'm curious to see if people do this
> >>>>>
> >>>> differently.  Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>> Donald A. Rowe
> >>>>> IATSE Local #3
> >>>>> Pgh, Pa. 15202
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
> 

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Message-ID: <9cbafac70606052228gbf17390we263aa76db6f30 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:28:58 -0700
From: "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Different Rigging question

Hi, fellow listers.
I have a unique rigging setup in our current production of Biloxi Blues.
The main scenic unit is a wall that spans the width of the stage and
looks like a barracks.
It is built in 8' w. x 20' h. sections (1x2 steel tubing and faced in
Luaun) the 3 center sections are rigged to fly independently of each
other but are physically in the same plane.
I accomplished this by connecting the lift lines for each wall to the
next 3 battens upstage from them. The lift lines run up to custom loft
blocks, then down to blocks on the floor which change the direction
back up toward the battens.
Between each wall panel is a 3x3 steel post with an MDF facing froont
and back that resembles the face of an I-beam. This keeps the walls
captured so they don't float up/downstage as they fly. Like a track
for the to ride in.
Here's where I need input:
Everything is in balance, but the walls are still a chore to move in
and out. I don't think they are binding up as they raise and lower,
either. The college kids on the rail can't muscle them smoothly
enough.
The walls weigh approx. 300#. This is a double-purchase system, so we
have 600# balancing them.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Phillip Blackwood
Technical Director
School of Theater Arts
University of Arizona
(520)621-1104

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Message-ID: <3998154b0606052312n543c5c96o3175af415c4832e4 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:12:40 -0700
From: "Paul Puppo" <ppuppo [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Semper Fi corrections
In-Reply-To: <list-30875136 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30827801 [at] prxy.net> <list-30875136 [at] prxy.net>

On 6/5/06, Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com> wrote:

> 1. Semper Fi = Semper Fidelis = Always Faithful. I don't know if it's the
> true Latin interpretation,


Leave it to the USMC to "alter" Latin.

Paul "son of *2* Marine Corp recruiting sergeants" Puppo

ILLUMINEERING
http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com

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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV444FE4B0A82C2BDFBDC3FBD950 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-30882636 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Different Rigging question
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:54:00 -0700

Is or does your system have a compensation system on it?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi, fellow listers.
> I have a unique rigging setup in our current production of Biloxi Blues.
> The main scenic unit is a wall that spans the width of the stage and
> looks like a barracks.
> It is built in 8' w. x 20' h. sections (1x2 steel tubing and faced in
> Luaun) the 3 center sections are rigged to fly independently of each
> other but are physically in the same plane.
> I accomplished this by connecting the lift lines for each wall to the
> next 3 battens upstage from them. The lift lines run up to custom loft
> blocks, then down to blocks on the floor which change the direction
> back up toward the battens.
> Between each wall panel is a 3x3 steel post with an MDF facing froont
> and back that resembles the face of an I-beam. This keeps the walls
> captured so they don't float up/downstage as they fly. Like a track
> for the to ride in.
> Here's where I need input:
> Everything is in balance, but the walls are still a chore to move in
> and out. I don't think they are binding up as they raise and lower,
> either. The college kids on the rail can't muscle them smoothly
> enough.
> The walls weigh approx. 300#. This is a double-purchase system, so we
> have 600# balancing them.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Phillip Blackwood
> Technical Director
> School of Theater Arts
> University of Arizona
> (520)621-1104
> 

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Message-ID: <9cbafac70606060006m702d1f63t76d7b7d151ec51c4 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:06:14 -0700
From: "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Different Rigging question
In-Reply-To: <list-30884326 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30882636 [at] prxy.net> <list-30884326 [at] prxy.net>

Don't think so... can you elaborate?


>
> Is or does your system have a compensation system on it?

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Message-ID: <d19db28f0606060012h3314abfatfde0d06c43d26010 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:12:58 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" <mulvey.tech [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: textbooks and CADD
In-Reply-To: <list-30778576 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30778576 [at] prxy.net>

>Our students
> also obtain the Backstage Handbook, The Pocket Ref, and several others
> by the end of their sophomore year.  Most have a fairly good library
> when they leave here.

I own the backstage handbook, but what's "The Pocket Ref"?
Jeff

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Message-ID: <44852CE4.9070007 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:21:08 -0400
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: textbooks and CADD
References: <list-30778576 [at] prxy.net> <list-30884762 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30884762 [at] prxy.net>

http://www.sequoiapublishing.com/pdt_pocketref3ed.htm

See the URL above, it is a handy little book with lots of concise 
information in it.

Jeffrey Mulvey wrote:
>
> I own the backstage handbook, but what's "The Pocket Ref"?
> Jeff
>


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Message-ID: <1211.205.215.254.52.1149579194.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30875136 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30827801 [at] prxy.net> <list-30875136 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:33:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Semper Fi corrections
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> 3. Don't even get me started on sailors without a ship.....  at least word
> the insult in proper terms. It should be "squids without a boat"

Or, according to an old Navy SEAL acquaintance of mine, "sea going bellhop".

I have a number of ex-Marine friends. They do not seem to be any different
than my non-military experience friends.

Bill


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Message-ID: <1289.205.215.254.52.1149581631.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30882636 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30882636 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Different Rigging question
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Here's where I need input:
> Everything is in balance, but the walls are still a chore to move in
> and out. I don't think they are binding up as they raise and lower,
> either. The college kids on the rail can't muscle them smoothly
> enough.
> The walls weigh approx. 300#. This is a double-purchase system, so we
> have 600# balancing them.

I am NOT a rigger, so keep that in mind when you read the following.

You are fighting two things here.

The two almost 180 degree blocks greatly increase the system friction.
Make sure all blocks turn freely, under load.

The double purchase system means the intertia and friction effects are
essentially doubled for the rope operators.

But once they are started moving, assuming everything is in balance, it
should not be difficult to keep them moving smoothly. If it is, then those
two 180 degree turn blocks may be causing problems.

I would think that rerigging the loft would be preferable. Turning blocks
would be used to get from the upstage line positions to the desired loft
block positions. To keep the  friction as low as possible, the loft blocks
would be mounted at right angles to their normal orientation. That would
mean that each line would pass through 3 blocks, the head block, the
turning block and the loft block.

Any comments from the rigging experts?

Bill N.



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