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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30910295; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:09 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #835 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:42:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #835 1. Re: Forever Plaid Costumes by Rick Malone 2. Re: textbooks and CADD by SS 3. Re: Different Rigging Quesiton by Cosmo Catalano 4. Re: Rigging question by SS 5. Re: Forever Plaid Costumes by SS 6. Re: Semper fi by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Shop Floor by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Simulated bullet hits by "Wild, Larry" 9. Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jon Ares" 10. Re: Shop Floor by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: ABTT Engineering Conf. by Scott Spidell 12. Re: Shop Floor by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Scott Parker" 14. Re: Different Rigging Quesiton by "Peter Scheu" 15. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by SS 16. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jon Ares" 18. How to ground a moving sound system by b Ricie 19. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by SS 20. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by Herrick Goldman 21. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jon Ares" 22. Speaking of red flags by b Ricie 23. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by Jerry Durand 24. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 25. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by Herrick Goldman 26. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Josh Ratty" 27. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 28. Yet more rigging questions by Stephen Litterst 29. Re: Forever Plaid Costumes by "Mike Burnett" 30. Bellagio fountains recreated by Paul Marsland 31. Re: Different Rigging question by "Eric Rouse" 32. Re: Different Rigging question by "Peter Scheu" 33. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by Jerry Durand 34. Re: Yet more rigging questions by "Peter Scheu" 35. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by 36. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by 38. Mangled Latin by "Frank E. Merrill" 39. Re: Drill Press by "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" 40. Binoculars by "Warren Stiles" 41. Acoustics by Phil Johnson 42. Re[2]: Drill Press by "Frank E. Merrill" 43. Re: Semper Fi corrections by "Michael Finney" 44. Re: Semper Fi corrections by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 45. Re: Drill Press by "Mike Katz" 46. Re: Shop Floor by CB 47. Re: Drill Press by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 48. Re: Acoustics by 49. Re: Drill Press by "Paul Schreiner" 50. It always comes back to beer by CB 51. Re: Semper fi by CB 52. Re: Different Rigging question by "Phil Blackwood" 53. Re: Rigging question by CB 54. Re: Drill Press by "Storms, Randy" 55. Re: It always comes back to beer by 56. Re: Simulated bullet hits by "Rock, Michael Edward" 57. Re: Drill Press by "Paul Schreiner" 58. Re: Semper Fi corrections by CB 59. Re: Different Rigging question by "Peter Scheu" 60. Re: VW Lighting Symbols by greggx4 [at] mac.com 61. Re: Re[2]: Drill Press by "greggx4 [at] mac.com" 62. Technology Advances...revisited by Jonbielich [at] aol.com 63. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by "Occy" 64. Re: Drill Press by "Brian Munroe" 65. Re: Different Rigging question by "Brian Munroe" 66. Re: audio from a generator by Clive Mitchell 67. Re: Semper Fi corrections by Clive Mitchell 68. Re: Rigging question by Clive Mitchell 69. Flag flagity flag flag flag .......ENOUGH by "David Fox" 70. Re: Drill Press by "Occy" 71. Curtain Liner by David Neale 72. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by Jim Hyslop 73. Drill and Drive was : Drill Press by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 74. Re: Rigging question by "Occy" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20060606114956.42127.qmail [at] web80505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Malone Subject: Re: Forever Plaid Costumes In-Reply-To: Mark O'Brien wrote: "there's this guy at a coffee shop...tattooed plaid arms, etc.," Maybe I need to change my wording. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we might find for rental or buy, Plaid tux jackets that won't cost an arm or a leg? Construction is not a good option. Come on folks. This is a oft performed show and I'm sure many of you have these gathering dust in your costume storage. Tattoos are not an option either. Maybe that's OK for opera in Arizona, but not for musicals in Texas.. Thanks, Rick Malone ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606060457q70095916j331f785dbb027c64 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:57:28 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: textbooks and CADD In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>I own the backstage handbook, but what's "The Pocket Ref"?<<<< Listent to Brian. He is a smart man. :) Pocket Ref is a fab little book. Little in size (hence the pocket), and big on info. Info you probably didn't even realize you needed to know!! It's a good purchase for sure. -- SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:05:15 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Different Rigging Quesiton In-reply-to: Cc: phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com Message-id: <5aeb685f083bde7208f19309a84ca930 [at] williams.edu> References: Phil-- Like Bill Nelson, my suspicion is on the blocks you are using for your turn-arounds and custom loft blocks. What is the diameter of the sheave in the blocks you are using? Your sheave diameter should be about 30 times the diameter of the cable (1/8"=3.75, 3/16"=5.63. 1/4"=7.5). The bigger the diameter, the less wear on the cable and friction in the system. Since you are hooking this up to an existing double purchase system, there is even more friction from cables and ropes going around blocks. Keeping the fleet angles to a minimum is also important, since we don't know how far apart the blocks are, it's difficult to assess this. Ultimately, even if everything is straight and true, there is a minimum amount of unavoidable friction in any system. BTW, make sure those blocks on the floor are well secured, they are doing a lot of work. Cosmo On Jun 6, 2006, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Message-ID: <9cbafac70606052228gbf17390we263aa76db6f30 [at] mail.gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:28:58 -0700 > From: "Phil Blackwood" > Subject: Different Rigging question > > Hi, fellow listers. > I have a unique rigging setup in our current production of Biloxi > Blues. > The main scenic unit is a wall that spans the width of the stage and > looks like a barracks. > It is built in 8' w. x 20' h. sections (1x2 steel tubing and faced in > Luaun) the 3 center sections are rigged to fly independently of each > other but are physically in the same plane. > I accomplished this by connecting the lift lines for each wall to the > next 3 battens upstage from them. The lift lines run up to custom loft > blocks, then down to blocks on the floor which change the direction > back up toward the battens. > Between each wall panel is a 3x3 steel post with an MDF facing froont > and back that resembles the face of an I-beam. This keeps the walls > captured so they don't float up/downstage as they fly. Like a track > for the to ride in. > Here's where I need input: > Everything is in balance, but the walls are still a chore to move in > and out. I don't think they are binding up as they raise and lower, > either. The college kids on the rail can't muscle them smoothly > enough. > The walls weigh approx. 300#. This is a double-purchase system, so we > have 600# balancing them. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > Phillip Blackwood > Technical Director > School of Theater Arts > University of Arizona > (520)621-1104 > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606060507j3dd9daeenbfa3125941a9b1c3 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:07:25 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Rigging question In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>It's no mystery what happens to a person's body and mind when they don't get enough sleep. And accidents happen. OK. So maybe it's not a huge 'front page' kind of accident. How about if your the guy who has been up too long and your reaction times are too slow and you get your finger caught in a drive chain? It cuts off the end of your finger, right? Now you have a slightly shorter finger and it doesn't look as nice as the others and, most importantly, the tip is nerve dead. You have no feeling in it.<<<< Reminds me of a story I once heard, whether it is true or not is a whole other story in itself. But TRUE or FALSE, it always serves as a nice reminder of what *not* to do, and knowing when to say when.... Guy works several IA calls over the course of a couple days, ins/outs/etc., now putting him up for almost 48 hrs. Guy heads up in a Genie lift to hang/strike a strip light of some sort. Guy pauses for a moment once the bucket is extended. Guy falls asleep, tilts lift, drops light, all fall down, injury occurs. Pretty simple to me. -- SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606060556t583283f4x4f3384f283b7b71 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:56:42 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Forever Plaid Costumes In-Reply-To: References:

I know this maybe a bit of a hassle, but you may consider steering that question towards the Costume List. You may acheive more accurate and quicker assistance. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumeinfo/ HTH. -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002901c68968$dfefda00$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Semper fi Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:58:14 -1000 Sidembili, sidemgho. Fortibusis in ero. Nobili demis trux, Sewats inhem, Cowsendux. So there. Spelling might be off though. Laters, Paul "I can't be bothered," said Tom carelessly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c6896b$fed7f670$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Shop Floor Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:20:34 -1000 <> Exactly. Usually it seems like I am "aware" of the accident about to happen micro-seconds before it might. I have to learn to listen hard for it and pay attention to it. It's kinda weird but a lot of people have told me they "knew" it was gonna happen just before it did. Can anybody else bear this out? Laters, Paul "I'm sure we can fool them into thinking this is pollen," said Tom beguilingly. ------------------------------ Subject: Simulated bullet hits Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <79EC830AA6FE144797DDB30DC498593804FEE8D7 [at] nsu-ex01.nsu.local> From: "Wild, Larry" I'm trying to build a computer controlled system of air valves to = simulate bullet hits. I've seen some valve manifolds made by smc, but I = don't know if they have a high enough presure rating to be very usefull. = I'm guessing 30-40 psi would be suffiecient pressure. I'm also trying to = build an air cannon using a sprinkler valve and a 5 gallon air tank. Any = help would be greatly appreicated.=20 Jerome Wild Posted by dad Wildl [at] northern.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c6896e$c782be00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:40:31 -0700 Howdy all... In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the wood material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan (which looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not loo-ann. (Ok, haven't seen that one recently.) LAUAN. - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Shop Floor Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c6896f$07ce65e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > It's=20 > kinda weird but a lot of people have told me they "knew" it=20 > was gonna happen just before it did. Can anybody else bear this out? We often process information at a subconscious level; in other words, we = see (and recognize) a danger before processing the data intellectually. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060606091243.01a7cc78 [at] uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:43:48 -0400 From: Scott Spidell Subject: RE: ABTT Engineering Conf. Cc: w.hill [at] theatreroyalnorwich.co.uk In-Reply-To: References: Monday night? Lobby 6:15pm. I'll be the really big S.O.B. Short hair, 6'6". I'll have a rose between my teeth. Bill & Bill, please join us - we'll force Will to find a good, cheap pub. Scott At 06:00 AM 6/6/2006, Will wrote: >Scott, > >TEA Conference and ABTT show. I will be there for duration and also be Jolly >at the Jolly Hotel. Let me know on or off list if any plans have been made. > >Look forward to meeting some list members in sunny London Town. > >Will Hill, >Technical Manager, >Theatre Royal Norwich, > >w.hill [at] theatreroyalnorwich.co.uk Scott Spidell Drama Department University of Waterloo ML 104 x4767 or 519-888-4767 (F) 519-725-0651 drama.uwaterloo.ca ccat.uwaterloo.ca ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Shop Floor Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:53 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C9F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Exactly. Usually it seems like I am "aware" of the accident=20 > about to happen micro-seconds before it might. I have to=20 > learn to listen hard for it and pay attention to it. It's=20 > kinda weird but a lot of people have told me they "knew" it=20 > was gonna happen just before it did. Can anybody else bear this out? I can. I've noticed it isn't always just before, though. I get that funny feeling and a vague general dissatisfaction about things whenever my instincts are trying to clue me in that a particular construction/installation/destruction method isn't going to work, even if I can't quite put my finger on why. The trick is to cut through the brain noise to figure out if it's a real warning or just some sort of resistance to hard work! When it comes to accidents or other happenings, I notice that when I'm "in the zone" there's a certain clarity and awareness that tends to slow things down, and all the little miniscule things we normally don't consciously notice start creeping in. It's practically the same as a top athlete doing things with a complete vision of the court/arena/whatever that boggle our minds as spectators. The perception of time slows, and thoughts and analysis speed up. I just wish I could turn it on at a whim... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980606060647m6ecd50fdy7068266ab65cf6aa [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:29 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan In-Reply-To: References: I am certainly no expert on spelling, and such, but I do have a question: why is it all CAPS? certainly we wouldn't be spelling Pine and Oak with all capital letters.it does seem appropriate to use a capital letter when using the proper name of a species. I'm really not trying to make trouble, but I am curious about this one. thanks, Scott On 6/6/06, Jon Ares wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy all... > > In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the wood > material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan (which > looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not loo-ann. (Ok, > haven't seen that one recently.) > > LAUAN. > > - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Different Rigging Quesiton Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Cosmo Catalano wrote: >Phil-- Like Bill Nelson, my suspicion is on the blocks you are using >for your turn-arounds and custom loft blocks. What is the diameter of >the sheave in the blocks you are using? Your sheave diameter Just to piggyback on Cosmo's comment... What type of bearings are in your custom blocks? You'll get a lot less loss due to friction by using blocks with ball or tapered roller bearings than steel or bronze bushings. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606060651p2746c196ib2fe9f75ee8007d6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:51:50 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan In-Reply-To: References: >>>>>In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the wood material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan (which looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not loo-ann. (Ok, haven't seen that one recently.)<<<< Okay, not picking nits or anything, because I don't really care all that much :)-, but looking at what you typed above...what's the difference between LAUAN & lauan...besides the caps? -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c68971$27b85760$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:57:31 -0700 > I am certainly no expert on spelling, and such, but I do have a > question: why is it all CAPS? certainly we wouldn't be spelling Pine > and Oak with all capital letters.it does seem appropriate to use a > capital letter when using the proper name of a species. > > I'm really not trying to make trouble, but I am curious about this one. > > thanks, Scott > Sheesh.. it was just for emphasis. :) Not even in Honduras or New Guinea would they probably spell their wood in all caps. Well, maybe, if they're particularly proud of it, perhaps. Why do kids at spelling bees always talk in ALL CAPS? ;) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c68971$58216090$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:58:52 -0700 > >>>>>>In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling > of the wood > material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan > (which looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not > loo-ann. (Ok, haven't seen that one recently.)<<<< > > > Okay, not picking nits or anything, because I don't really care all > that much :)-, but looking at what you typed above...what's the > difference between LAUAN & lauan...besides the caps? > Oops... I correctly spelled one word in my misspelled list. I am mis taken. :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060606140601.1873.qmail [at] web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: How to ground a moving sound system In-Reply-To: >>What do you do in the case of a float that's moving, can't hardly drive a spike in the road.<< Do what fire trucks,ambulances and other Utility trucks do. Hang chain that touches the ground off the frame of the vehicle. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606060706t577d0554hde9268b11826f151 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:06:19 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan In-Reply-To: References:

>>>> Oops... I correctly spelled one word in my misspelled list. I am mis taken.<<<< Just checking. :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:14:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: And the etymology of this would be....? On 6/6/06 9:40 AM, "Jon Ares" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy all... > > In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the wood > material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan (which > looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not loo-ann. (Ok, > haven't seen that one recently.) > > LAUAN. > > - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c68973$92257310$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:14:49 -0700 > > And the etymology of this would be....? > According to Merriam-Webster: Pronunciation: 'l�-"�n, l�-'; lau-'�n Function: noun Etymology: Tagalog lawaan : any of various Philippine timbers (as of the genera Shorea and Parashorea) that are light yellow to reddish brown or brown and include some which enter commerce as Philippine mahogany. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060606141429.49104.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Speaking of red flags In-Reply-To: Thanks Bill for your post!! Two back to back 16 hrs days rigging? That is a big ol red flag in my world. When pushing papers at my desk, if I drop my pen, 32feet per/second/ per second ain't gonna add up to much, but a shackle pin falling from 50 to 60 feet is a different story all together. Me hurting me is one thing(and I am not too fond of it either). Putting a hole in another persons head is not something I ever want to do. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:17:04 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan In-reply-to: Message-id: <78451A1E-CB9F-4EE4-B406-D5467B7B56C0 [at] interstellar.com> References: On Jun 6, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Jon Ares wrote: > LAUAN. > > - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares Lou-Ann? :) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c68973$fe444850$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > And the etymology of this would be....? Eh, who cares about bugs? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ah so it's transliteration from Tagalog so really there is no correct English spelling. Sort of like Mohammae Khaddafi has six different correct spellings. :) On 6/6/06 10:14 AM, "Jon Ares" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 >>=20 >> And the etymology of this would be....? >>=20 >=20 > According to Merriam-Webster: >=20 > Pronunciation: 'l=FC-"=E4n, l=FC-'; lau-'=E4n > Function: noun > Etymology: Tagalog lawaan > : any of various Philippine timbers (as of the genera Shorea and Parashor= ea) > that are light yellow to reddish brown or brown and include some which en= ter > commerce as Philippine mahogany. >=20 > - Jon Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative >=20 >=20 --=20 Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:24:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c68974$dba7b290$b00b0a0a [at] Rattys> In-Reply-To: Well which is it then? Lauan or lauan? ;) On a slightly more serious note this discussion seems to come up a few times year and I'll admit I may have started it by spelling it luan. It just takes fewer letters and after all isn't efficiency a goal for all of us? Thanks for the correction. Ummm... so we're going with L-A-U-A-N, right? Josh Ratty P.S. As a side note my spell checker wants it to be Luann or LuAnn but I don't think she's on the list. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:41 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Correct spelling of Lauan For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Howdy all... In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the wood material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan (which looks most right), not lauan, *other misspellings snipped to make a point* LAUAN. - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c68975$e5118f30$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > Sort of like Mohammae Khaddafi has > six different correct spellings. :) Leo McGarry felt very strongly that the Times crossword puzzle was misspelling Qaddafy's name. ...And who are we to argue with the White House Chief of Staff? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:42:19 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Yet more rigging questions Message-id: <4485944B.7050803 [at] ithaca.edu> As long as we're discussing rigging curiousities... My two most downstage linesets are muled upstage to their operating position. (someone put an air duct where their arbors want to be.) One runs very nicely, while the other "sticks" every few feet of travel. While trying to figure out how I could get them to run more smoothly and silently (they need idlers, I believe) I noticed that the mule blocks are simply head blocks laid on their sides. I guess what I'm wondering is if this is the normal way to mule a line, or if there's a specifically designed mule block that should be there. And if so, could this be part of the one line's sluggish behavior? Thanks, Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Forever Plaid Costumes Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:48:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" Rick, I've got a set, but am not sure of the sizes. If you can send me sizes, I can get my costume shop to look into it today. MB ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre SUMMER "INTER"NATIONAL TOUR 2006 GODSPELL www.huntington.edu/godspell =20 Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service =20 260-388-9523 cell 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax =20 mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre =20 =20 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers =20 Galatians 6:9-10=20 =20 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) =20 ________________________________________________________________________ _ =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060606145739.79188.qmail [at] web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Bellagio fountains recreated In-Reply-To: Might be as easy as 1/4" inch holes in the bottle caps instead of 1/8" (as per their website) Paul > > BTW, did anyone notice that the swinging bottles on > the side did not go off > as high or as long as the static bottles? Why would > a mixing motion lessen > the effect? . > > Chip __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680606060802v10374599o60aa12d7d78ecd07 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:02:35 -0600 From: "Eric Rouse" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question In-Reply-To: References: What are you lifting the panels with? Cable..Rope? Depending on what kind of rope, the stretch would cause a lot of the problems. However, I assume you used cable. What size are your sheaves? Smaller diameter sheaves means much more friction due to the turning radius. Are they good quality sheaves? Do they have good bearings? Basicaly, you just have a lot of turns ona double purchase system that already has a good bit of friction in it. If everything you built is of proper size, solid and in good working order you may want to add more weight to account for the friction if you have not already done that. Pertaining to the other question about the compensating system....If I am thinking of this right, the batten is the compensating system, but it is only a one to one. Hey....do the panels need to fly all the way out? You could rig them 2:1. Pulley on the panel, dead tie to the grid, cable going to the batten. My two cents. Eric ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: erictd [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Different Rigging question Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:45:07 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Eric Rouse wrote: >Pertaining to the other question about the compensating=20 >system....If I am thinking of this right, the batten is the=20 >compensating system, but it is only a one to one. I assumed the compensating system asked about was a *cable* compensating system. Here's how one works: When a counterweight lineset moves, the lifting cables travel from one = side of the headblock to the other side. As they do, the load balance changes = as the cables themselves have weight. When the batten is at the floor, the weight of the lifting cables is on the batten side of the system. When = the batten is at its highest trim, all the cable weight is on the arbor side = of the system. You can feel the weight transfer as you operate a set, especially at ends of travel. Hard to pull at first, then easier as the cable weight shifts. This is really only a "problem" with systems in stage house over 60 feet = or so, as the amount of cable in the system increases. In really tall stage houses (100 ft+) with long battens (many cables), the weight transfer = can be significant (many over 75 lbs). There are a few strategies to "compensate" for the cable weight = transfer. One is to have a chain dangle from the bottom of the arbor which picks = up chain out of a "bucket" as it rises to balance out the cables. Crude and effective, but noisy. Other systems have a continuous loop of a larger diameter cable coupled to a smaller cable that runs from the bottom of = the arbor, down through a floorblock, back up to a sheave at the headblock steel, and back down to the top of the arbor. The heavier (larger = diameter) portion of the cable assembly compensates for the cable weight transfer. That's the reason why I always check the balance of a set at its = mid-travel, rather than at high or low trim. If you set the counterweight perfectly = with that batten at low trim, it could be significantly out of balance at = high trim. But again, this is only of real concern in bigger systems. Hard to describe without a drawing or diagram, but I hope the concept is clear Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:49:46 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060606084811.01ef3ce8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 07:06 AM 6/6/2006, b Ricie wrote: >Do what fire trucks,ambulances and other Utility >trucks do. Hang chain that touches the ground off the >frame of the vehicle. That's good for static, but hardly a sufficient ground for a generator (otherwise if the generator was just sitting on the ground you wouldn't need the stake). So, what IS the code for grounding a moving vehicle with a generator on it? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: slitterst [at] ithaca.edu Subject: RE: Yet more rigging questions Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:53:25 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >One runs very nicely, while the other "sticks" every few feet of = travel. Sounds a bit more like the arbor shoes binding in the t-bar. If it's = every 5'-0 or so, it could be that the t-bar is misaligned where they attach = to the horizontal wall batten. The way the muling block is fabricated doesn't really strike me as the = issue (at least not without a real inspection). As long as the sheave is = properly supported, the bearings are in good shape, and your fleet angles are OK. = You say it sticks every few feet. If it's a 12" diameter block, that's about = 37" each rotation ("a few feet"_, so it may be a bad bearing Just guesses... Gee, Unca Bill. Sounds like a "Stump the Rigger" session. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:12:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: There is this that I found at the Woodfinder's website. There are also a group of islands near Fiji known as the Lau Islands. That might have some bearing on the issue as well. Every other instance of the veneer plywood referred to at Google uses this spelling. "COMMON NAMES: Lauan, Philippine mahogany, meranti, red meranti, white meranti SPECIFIC GRAVITY: 0.30 to 0.70 (extremely variable depending on species) DENSITY:=20 TANGENTIAL MOVEMENT: RADIAL MOVEMENT: VOLUMETRIC SHRINKAGE: DURABILITY: Varies by species SOURCE: South East Asia, primarily Indochina, Philippine Islands DESCRIPTION: The lauan genus (Shorea) contains about 70 species and their woods are extremely variable. Some are as soft as basswood while others are harder than white oak. Color may also vary from ash gray to dark reddish brown. The lumber industry markets these woods by their appearance and density characteristics rather than by species. The denser, dark red merantis have better decay resistance and are relatively stable. Most of the lauans are coarse textured and have poor decay resistance. Some have high silica content and may dull cutters, while others are exceptionally gummy. Lauan is widely sold around the world as "Philippine mahogany", including its use for plywood face veneers. It is one of the world's most popular timbers. " OTOH, we pronounce the word like the Hawaiian pig roast and poi soiree' - luau - so I'm still not 100% certain. HTH. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick Goldman Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:15 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- And the etymology of this would be....? On 6/6/06 9:40 AM, "Jon Ares" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Howdy all... >=20 > In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of=20 > the wood material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not > luan (which looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not=20 > loo-ann. (Ok, haven't seen that one recently.) >=20 > LAUAN. >=20 > - Jon (not John, not Juan, not even Jhon) Ares=20 > www.hevanet.com/acreative >=20 >=20 -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2793.205.215.254.52.1149610479.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system From: "Bill Nelson" > Do what fire trucks,ambulances and other Utility > trucks do. Hang chain that touches the ground off the > frame of the vehicle. That is meant to get rid of static charges on the vehicle. It might also be meant to ground out a power line that the vehicle might contact. It is not meant to put the vehicle at the local power grid ground potential. I don't think a dragging chain would be much use there. It would be a very poor and intermittant ground. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Correct spelling of Lauan Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:15:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: I think just for emphasis, Scott. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott Parker Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:47 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan I am certainly no expert on spelling, and such, but I do have a question: why is it all CAPS?=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:24:10 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <778643735.20060606122410 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Mangled Latin In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Tuesday, June 6, 2006, Paul Guncheon wrote: > Sidembili, sidemgho. > Fortibusis in ero. Nobili demis trux, > Sewats inhem, > Cowsendux. I learned the beginning of that fabulous little poem as O Sibili, si ergo. Fortibusis in ero.... The unsuspecting reader always starts translating it by mumbling something like "O brothers, if therefore there is strength in love...ummm...noble half truths....um....umm...." ad nauseum.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4DF4 [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> In-Reply-To: From: "Haagen, Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" Here we are. Back in the summer swing of things. This subject seems to = come up every two or three years. =20 And it 'tis indeed worth conversing about. =20 What new tools have seemed to work the best over the last year or so? Specifically, I am in need of purchasing a new drill press. Floor = model. Flexible for wood and sometimes, metal. I am not stuck on one brand name but have had = good luck with Delta Till the one I had was knocked over (don't ask).=20 In years past, usually during the summer months, we cuss and discuss = what is available out there. =20 Anybody purchase any new tools over the past year that they are really = happy with ?> =20 =20 Trey H=E4agen Arnold Hall Theatre USAF Academy ( (719) 333-2721 7 (719) 333-2099 : trey.haagen [at] usafa.af.mil ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4590d63e0606060944w5c1567bbi7b8166ce5e724556 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:27 -0500 From: "Warren Stiles" Subject: Binoculars Hello, I have been hunting for a coin-opperated binocular style view finder, as would be seen in touristy areas for a production of The Winning Streak in Chicago. I have found one at a rental house in California, but the pre-shipping rates are far too high for my budget. Can any one suggest a Mid-West source where I can rent, borrow or steal one of these? TIA. G. Warren Stiles ------------------------------ Message-Id: <822bf4215e725253f5202dde5d4426fe [at] mail.tamucc.edu> From: Phil Johnson Subject: Acoustics Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:53:29 -0500 I am looking for info on acoustic treatments for a large room in our church. If anyone has expertise in this area or knows where to look for info that would be great. I have used some sound consultants in Texas before, but what I need is info on treatments and sources for materials. If you do this kind of stuff you are welcome as well. Any help is appreciated. Reply off list if you need to contact me. Philip Johnson Designer/Technical Director Texas A & M -Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:00:43 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1705294647.20060606130043 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Drill Press In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Tuesday, June 6, 2006, Trey Haagen wrote: > Anybody purchase any new tools over the past year that they are really happy with? I'm VERY pleased with my Drill Doctor bit sharpener. I've gone through many drill sharpening jigs over the years and the Doctor is the first one that I've found that really addresses the required geometry of drill sharpening. I take it with me on long installs and invite the resident personnel to sharpen their own drills, and I have made converts at every stop. It takes about as much brain power to sharpen a drill as is needed to add a pig to a counterweight arbor and the results are outstanding. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Semper Fi corrections Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:12:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" OK, so I'm in the middle of a little project review with a friend of mine named Dale Dye (Capt., USMCR)(check him out on IMDB if you'd like more info - he's an interesting guy), and he's been getting a kick out of reading the list over my shoulder. But he asked me to pass along two quick corrections of his own: <> Per Dale, there is no such thing as an "ex-Marine"....apparently "former Marines", "retired Marines", and "dead Marines" are all Corps approved descriptions. <> No, no - the Navy exists to deliver Marines to the fight, where they're expected to wait patiently and provide the occasional bit of off-shore artillery support. I'm not going to argue with Dale - he's out-shot me more than once, and age doesn't seem to be slowing him down any.... =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Semper Fi corrections Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c6898d$0d3578c0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > "former Marines", "retired > Marines", and "dead Marines" are all Corps approved descriptions. I like the way submariners state it: "Still on patrol." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180606061036l40dbc671ye72c3e43520650ad [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:36:28 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Subject: Re: Drill Press In-Reply-To: References: Trey, I just bought a Grizzly Radial Drill press, We have a number of grizzly tools and they are really high on the quality curve as far as I am concerned. The Radial drill press will drill to the center of a 34 in circle (a 17 in bit to column size) the head can swivel to drill angles. I have been using it for only 2 weeks, but so far I am very happy with it. It also is very inexpensive, under $300 with shipping. I recommend it and the company. Mike -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060606111204.00c1a320 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:12:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Shop Floor >I know it sounds kind of new age mystical, but it has been my experience >that something tells me there is going to be an accident, or something is >wrong in what I or someone else around me is doing, ever so slightly before >said accident happens. It's called 'common sense'. Usually, right before I'm about to do something dumb, I have that inner conversation, "You shouldn't be cutting toward your finger!" "It's alright, see, I'm not pushing toward my finger, I'm pivoting off that edge." I dunno, it looks really dangerous, and that razor knife is soooo sharp." Look, I know what I'm doing, and th AAAAAUUUGGGGGHHH!!!! Will someone mop up this blood? I'll be right back...." I cannot tell you how many conversations I've had that were interrupted by the event I was thinking about before I adopted the policy of 'Listen to the Voices in your Head'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <24141081.1149617354726.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:09:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: Drill Press In the past couple of seasons we've gotten some pretty good stuff that's worked well for us. One thing that I'm pretty happy with is having a bunch of our DeWalt 18V XRP batteries rebuilt by the local Interstate Battery vendor. With the quantity that we had (it was funny to watch their eyes goggle at a 5-gallon bucket full of battery packs) the price went down to about $40 per (compare to $80 or more for new.) The rebuilt ones seem to be holding up pretty well. We also purchased a second DeWalt sliding compound miter saw. Those things just won't quit! We can now take one with us to the space during load-in and still have one in the shop for when we're still putting things together. Both our saws are mounted on shop made, light-but-sturdy benches about 7' wide by 2' deep with Colson Performa casters (4") with the total-lock brake. Those casters are the bomb-diggity! Easy rolling, but rock solid when locked. (Oh, and they've got 7/8" square stems that fit right up into 1" square steel tube.) The little things are important, too: the carpenters (and I) LOVE the Ryobi Drill-and-Drive bits. They're a little on the fragile side, but being able to drill pilot holes and countersink in one motion and then flip the bit around to drive the screw makes things infinitely easier (and hardly any split wood.) They even make one for hinges! We go through them pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing carpentry without them anymore. I need to see if I can find a bulk supplier... My carpenters also really like the little spring-loaded nail sets and center punches that I got them. Don't remember the brand name, but you hold one end up against the work, pull back on the other end, and let fly. No hammer needed. (If it helps, the carpenters have taken to calling them "yankenthwappers.) I'll second the recommendation on the Drill Doctor. Nothing will take weeks away from your life like drilling steel with a dull bit. Some of the things we DIDN'T buy were any of the big tools. We've got all Powermatic stuff here (except the radial arm saw) and it's burly as hell. Just needs to be tuned/serviced once in a while. And, if you have the means, I highly recommend picking up a new (to us) production facility with a 17,000 s.f. shop floor (props shop is separate) and 35' ceiling. Sweet! Also, spring for the enlarged loading door with concrete ramp so the lumber truck can drive right up in there and get unloaded with the forklift. :) Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- >What new tools have seemed to work the best over the last year or so? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Acoustics Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Check out this site. They will probably have what you need. http://www.sonex-online.com=20 Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Phil Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Acoustics I am looking for info on acoustic treatments for a large room in our church. If anyone has expertise in this area or knows where to look for info=20 that would be great. I have used some sound consultants in Texas=20 before, but what I need is info on treatments and sources for materials. If you do this kind of stuff you are welcome as well. Any help is appreciated. Reply off list if you need to contact me. Philip Johnson Designer/Technical Director Texas A & M -Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CA3 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) > One thing that I'm pretty happy with is having a bunch of our=20 > DeWalt 18V XRP batteries=20 I just remembered something I saw yesterday...the new DeWalt 36V cordless drill. Big. And heavy. But if I'm ever trying to drill through masonry at the top of the genie... > We also purchased a second DeWalt sliding compound miter saw.=20 I loooooove these. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060606113421.00c1a320 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:34:21 From: CB Subject: It always comes back to beer >I would like to point out a regional favorite in the Northeast and Also the >Nation's Oldest Brewery. Yuengling opened in 1829 And is still in the 'short pants' category. While 'Ying-Ling' Is a danged fine beer, (the last tour I was on had a Pittsburgh crew, so they knew everywhere to get one!) it is still a wet-behind-the-ears kid on an international beer scale. There are a dozen breweries in a ten block area of Munich that are all from the seventeenth century or older. Nineteenth century beer is admirable, but still an upstart compared to the efforts of other nations. Add to that taht the brewery was actually started by a German (David Juengling) immigrant, and you're still looking at German beer brewed here in America. Hmmmm.... Yuengling is another I need to addto my list of beers not available here. I think I need to move... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060606113737.00c1a320 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:37:37 From: CB Subject: Re: Semper fi >You must have missed the good-natured harassment in there >someplace. Nope, just playing along. You musta ignored the 'replacement' sig: 'Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur' Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9cbafac70606061135w474d3580ge0fe9441371109e7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:35:40 -0700 From: "Phil Blackwood" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question In-Reply-To: References: Thanks for so many quick responses. > What are you lifting the panels with? Cable..Rope? Depending on what > kind of rope, the stretch would cause a lot of the problems. However, > I assume you used cable. > > What size are your sheaves? Smaller diameter sheaves means much more > friction due to the turning radius. Are they good quality sheaves? > Do they have good bearings? > I'm lifting with 1/8" cable. The sheaves are stainless steel bronze bushed. A little ofer 2" diameter, so the D:d ratio is a little over 8:1. They were the only sheaves I could find with a tread diameter sized for 1/8" cable that had a WLL over 200# - 300#. > Basicaly, you just have a lot of turns ona double purchase system that > already has a good bit of friction in it. If everything you built is > of proper size, solid and in good working order you may want to add > more weight to account for the friction if you have not already done > that. Adding weight makes them easier to get out and near impossible to get in. Stripping weight makes them easier to get in but near impossible to get out. My head flyman does it fine, it's the other 2 interns up there as operators that can't do it. Unfortunately, I don't think I have the space to rig it 2:1. The batten can't travel far enough. We have a 45' travel capacity and the walls are 20' and travel about 17'. I like Peter's suggestion about the chain on the arbor. I'll investigate adding that as an option. -- Phillip Blackwood Technical Director School of Theater Arts University of Arizona (520)621-1104 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060606114806.00c1a320 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:48:06 From: CB Subject: Re: Rigging question >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- It's official, riggers are leading the 'most untrimmed repetition of thread ever' contest by a huge lead... C'mon guys, if it says 'Original Message' more than once in your post, you're not being polite to the poor digesters. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:41:05 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C299 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" 36v? Holy crap... Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:15 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Fred Schoening, Jr. Subject: Re: Drill Press For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > One thing that I'm pretty happy with is having a bunch of our=20 > DeWalt 18V XRP batteries=20 I just remembered something I saw yesterday...the new DeWalt 36V cordless drill. Big. And heavy. But if I'm ever trying to drill through masonry at the top of the genie... > We also purchased a second DeWalt sliding compound miter saw.=20 I loooooove these. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: It always comes back to beer Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: And speaking of endurance!!=20 Text from the bottle label: Weihenstephan Premium Bavaricum - Oldest brewery in the world. Since 1040. Brewed and bottled by Bayer, Staatsbrauerei Weihenstephan, Freising, Germany.=20 And there is a 12-pack of Yuengling in my fridge as we speak. Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:34 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: It always comes back to beer >I would like to point out a regional favorite in the Northeast and Also >the Nation's Oldest Brewery. Yuengling opened in 1829 And is still in the 'short pants' category. While 'Ying-Ling' Is a danged fine beer, (the last tour I was on had a Pittsburgh crew, so they knew everywhere to get one!) it is still a wet-behind-the-ears kid on an international beer scale. [snip] ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Simulated bullet hits Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: <2121C6A125DFE64FAC02D41B52C3391602585FA1 [at] msc.uwgb.edu> From: "Rock, Michael Edward" How many independent hits are you trying to create? I would stop by the = local junkyard and ask if you can look around in back before you plunk = down the money for new solenoids if you need a lot of them. I was able = to get two 6 packs of SMC solenoids plus a lot of small single solenoids = for 20 cents a pound. As for pressure most solenoids should be able to = take well above the 40 psi you speced. I see two ways you can go about = controlling the firing the way we did it, by using a plc, and by using a = DMX controlled relay. If you or someone on your staff knows basic = ladder logic programming a plc to fire solenoids in a specific order = with timing is easy. Firing with DMX is as easy as getting one of these = http://www.milinst.com/DMX/dmxtext.htm = and wiring it up.=20 =20 Mike Rock ________________________________ From: Stagecraft on behalf of Wild, Larry Sent: Tue 6/6/2006 8:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Simulated bullet hits For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- I'm trying to build a computer controlled system of air valves to = simulate bullet hits. I've seen some valve manifolds made by smc, but I = don't know if they have a high enough presure rating to be very usefull. = I'm guessing 30-40 psi would be suffiecient pressure. I'm also trying to = build an air cannon using a sprinkler valve and a 5 gallon air tank. Any = help would be greatly appreicated. Jerome Wild Posted by dad Wildl [at] northern.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CA4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > 36v? Holy crap... That's what I said. Weighs about as much (unscientifically, just from picking one up) about as much as a Source 4. Battery is a hair longer than my hand. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060606120812.00c1a320 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:08:12 From: CB Subject: Re: Semper Fi corrections >I have a number of ex-Marine friends. They do not seem to be any different >than my non-military experience friends. I would respectfully suggest that you aren't paying attention t the right things. Military experience, and especially that of the US Marines, will show its head in an emergency, in a stressfull situation, in any jam requiring cool heads and innovative thinking, you name it. While there are folk like that without military training, there are very few ex-marines without that certain something. USAF gets laughed at their share (ex-wingnut, I should know), but I learned to respect the Marines when I was in, and was fortunate enough to earn their respect. I'm not too gung-ho on the military, but the discipline learned under their tutelage is top-notch. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Different Rigging question Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:00:58 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >I'm lifting with 1/8" cable. The sheaves are stainless steel=20 >bronze bushed. A little ofer 2" diameter, so the D:d ratio is=20 >a little over 8:1. They were the only sheaves I could find=20 >with a tread diameter sized for 1/8" cable that had a WLL over=20 >200# - 300#. As was mentioned before, the D:d ratio (assuming you are using 7x19 = aircraft cable - other wire rope construction's D:d will vary) should be 30:1. So = for 1/8" cable, you really should be using +/- 4" diameter sheaves. Getting these with ball or roller bearings instead of the bronze bushings would = ease things as well . Crosby has some different types available (steel, cast iron, Nylon), as = does McMaster, though they will be a bit pricey (not that the safety of your system should be dependant upon cost). You could also check with Sapsis, Clancy, H&H or SECOA. They may have other sources as they deal with = these kind of sheaves all the time. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <60C9B7FD-E784-45BB-993A-84EEBF9B36A8 [at] mac.com> Reply-To: gregg hillmar From: greggx4 [at] mac.com Subject: Re: VW Lighting Symbols Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:10:20 -0400 You pay the airfare, I'll come do one for you. VBG! I do them all the time for USITT-chesapeake, or at whatever conference the Nemetschek folks visit... g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Jun 4, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Jon Ares wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Cris Dopher >> ...giving presentation on Spotlight June 14th at Apple Store >> SoHo. Be there or be inverse squared. >> > > > Oh, how I wish someone (such as Chris) would hold a Vectorworks > seminar (or eight) on the west coast - preferably Portland or > Seattle.... for us that come from an AutoCad/QuickCad (and the > ilk) background..... > > - Jon Ares (that has only exploited Vectorworks v9 for light plots) > www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <41145AF5-D2F6-41F7-AC7C-608C1FF3FF89 [at] mac.com> From: "greggx4 [at] mac.com" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:31:27 -0400 On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > > Tuesday, June 6, 2006, Trey Haagen wrote: > >> Anybody purchase any new tools over the past year that they are >> really happy with? I'd have to second Frank Merrill's recommendation about the Drill Doctor- I bought one after a discussion on this list, and have been amazed and delighted with it ever since! g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ From: Jonbielich [at] aol.com Message-ID: <488.25d6268.31b746c1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:59:45 EDT Subject: Technology Advances...revisited So my question seemed like homework...partially because it was for my classes and we were going to compare my classes advances to those of the professionals...except only one professional attempted to answer the question. Which in and of its self is quite interesting. Concrete vs wood floors... Flag with grommets vs no grommets... Hmmmm I am still interested in this lists opinions as are my students. So here goes one more time. Describe a recent theatre technology advance (last 2 or 3 years). Explain how the advance has significantly impacted practice in the industry. And explain the preparation necessary to take advantage of the advance. Surely the brightest minds can throw us a couple of bones. Jon Bielich Putnam City PAC OKC, OK ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:05:14 -0700 Not on my side of the world they don't they want the isolation from mother earth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "b Ricie" > > Do what fire trucks,ambulances and other Utility > trucks do. Hang chain that touches the ground off the > frame of the vehicle. > > Brian Rice > 508-685-0716 > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the > light." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:09:29 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) Subject: Re: Drill Press In-Reply-To: References: On 6/6/06, Fred Schoening, Jr. wrote: > The little things are important, too: the carpenters (and I) LOVE the Ryobi Drill-and-Drive bits. They're a little on the fragile side, but being able to drill pilot holesand countersink in one motion and then flip the bit around to drive the screw makes things infinitely easier (and hardly any split wood.) They even make one for hinges! We go through them pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing carpentry without them anymore. I need to see if I can find a bulk supplier... Fred - The dewalt version of the drill and drive have replacement drill bits available. Maybe the Ryobi does as well. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:32:50 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question In-Reply-To: References: On 6/6/06, Phil Blackwood wrote: > I'm lifting with 1/8" cable. The sheaves are stainless steel bronze > bushed. A little ofer 2" diameter, so the D:d ratio is a little over > 8:1. They were the only sheaves I could find with a tread diameter > sized for 1/8" cable that had a WLL over 200# - 300#. Like a lot of other people have said, your sheaves are very undersized and the bronze bushings are not helping your friction situation. > Adding weight makes them easier to get out and near impossible to get > in. Stripping weight makes them easier to get in but near impossible > to get out. My head flyman does it fine, it's the other 2 interns up > there as operators that can't do it. It sounds like they are properly counterweighted. I wouldn't go over or under weighting the arbors to compensate for a large amount of friction. > I like Peter's suggestion about the chain on the arbor. I'll > investigate adding that as an option. compensating chain is meant to offset (or 'compensate') for the change in weight resulting from the weight of the aircraft cable. For example, if you have a seven line set with 65' of travel, that is a change in weight of 455' of 1/4" cable, or about 50 pounds. Your system doesn't sound like it needs compensating chain with the short travel you have. Don't discount the amount of friction as the panels ride against each other. Assuming you are 6" centers on your pipes, you are pulling the panels us/ds of each other, causing a lot of rubbing on the panels connections. Have you considered strippin the pipes and running straight from the panels to the arbors? That would allow you to spot larger sheeves on the grid, directly over the pick points on the panels. Eliminates your smaller blocks and at least 3 extra sheaves per panel? Actually, as I re-read your original post, I am a bit confused. Where are the lift lines from the piece going and where are your custom sheaves mounted? What is the purpose of the floor mounted sheave? If I read your post correctly, the sheaves are mounted on system pipe and the lift line terminates at the grid? Huh? I am more confused now. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:11:10 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: audio from a generator References: In-Reply-To: In message , Jerry Durand writes >>If the gennies got it's output referenced to it's chassis then it must >>be bonded to the truck chassis and localised ground area with a spike >>plate. > >What do you do in the case of a float that's moving, can't hardly drive >a spike in the road. Unless it's trailing cables to external loads it's fine. The ground spike is required on generators feeding external loads like lighting sets or site power. Then again, in the film industry it depends on the local union. They all have different ideas, some of which are based on opinions and not electrical principles. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:16:07 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Semper Fi corrections References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Military experience, and especially that of the US Marines, will show >its head in an emergency, in a stressfull situation, in any jam >requiring cool heads and innovative thinking, you name it. I systematically despise working with ex-army individuals here in the UK. They are trained to believe that they are vastly superior in every task to non military personnel and should take command of every situation (whether they have a clue or not). Makes working with them very unpleasant. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:27:42 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Rigging question References: In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Sapsis writes >And before the rest of you start yelling at me about how "that's the >way it is in this business", please understand that I do not care. The >science is right there. It's no mystery what happens to a person's >body and mind when they don't get enough sleep. And accidents happen. The UK film industry promotes the "12 on 12 off" principle to try and limit hours for safety. I can attribute my closest scrape with death to sleep deprivation through working stupid hours. (Really, really stupid hours!) Isolated the wrong compressor in a pack and then squeezed in between the lovely earthed metalwork of the others in my sweaty conductive coveralls and attempted to disconnect it. Very close. Just pure luck that I tried the metal handled ratchet on one of its main terminals for size and as soon as I took it off the thing started! The access was poor so I'd have clamped right on and passed a significant quantity of current. Nobody would have heard a thing... I was in a room full of roaring compressors. Live and learn. (Hopefully!) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: Flag flagity flag flag flag .......ENOUGH Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "David Fox" Flag Good? Flag Bad? You love your country? You hate your country? ME NO CARE! Enough Already, If you want to discuss this further..... GET A ROOM ALREADY. 'nuf said? Boy I sure hope so. _________________________________ =20 It is important to note that the opinions of the individual and those of their employer are not always aligned.=20 What you have read should be construed as my opinion and not the opinion of my employer. If you don't like or agree with my thoughts and musings; I am the one you should take to task and not the nice people who pay me. =20 Be Seeing You David _________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) References: Subject: Re: Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:07:22 -0700 Hey guys this one of the 2 times a year that Dewalt offers a 2 pack of the 18 volt batteries between $90-100. Best deal you will ever find, best places are amazon.com or lowes, at amazon you can save sales tax in 48 states and normaly shipping is free. I too am buried in 18 volt dewalt stuff cost a lot but always work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." > In the past couple of seasons we've gotten some pretty good stuff that's > worked well for us. > > One thing that I'm pretty happy with is having a bunch of our DeWalt 18V > XRP batteries rebuilt by the local Interstate Battery vendor. With the > quantity that we had (it was funny to watch their eyes goggle at a > 5-gallon bucket full of battery packs) the price went down to about $40 > per (compare to $80 or more for new.) The rebuilt ones seem to be holding > up pretty well. > > We also purchased a second DeWalt sliding compound miter saw. Those things > just won't quit! We can now take one with us to the space during load-in > and still have one in the shop for when we're still putting things > together. Both our saws are mounted on shop made, light-but-sturdy benches > about 7' wide by 2' deep with Colson Performa casters (4") with the > total-lock brake. Those casters are the bomb-diggity! Easy rolling, but > rock solid when locked. (Oh, and they've got 7/8" square stems that fit > right up into 1" square steel tube.) > > The little things are important, too: the carpenters (and I) LOVE the > Ryobi Drill-and-Drive bits. They're a little on the fragile side, but > being able to drill pilot holes and countersink in one motion and then > flip the bit around to drive the screw makes things infinitely easier (and > hardly any split wood.) They even make one for hinges! We go through them > pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing > carpentry without them anymore. I need to see if I can find a bulk > supplier... > > My carpenters also really like the little spring-loaded nail sets and > center punches that I got them. Don't remember the brand name, but you > hold one end up against the work, pull back on the other end, and let fly. > No hammer needed. (If it helps, the carpenters have taken to calling them > "yankenthwappers.) > > I'll second the recommendation on the Drill Doctor. Nothing will take > weeks away from your life like drilling steel with a dull bit. > > Some of the things we DIDN'T buy were any of the big tools. We've got all > Powermatic stuff here (except the radial arm saw) and it's burly as hell. > Just needs to be tuned/serviced once in a while. > > And, if you have the means, I highly recommend picking up a new (to us) > production facility with a 17,000 s.f. shop floor (props shop is separate) > and 35' ceiling. Sweet! Also, spring for the enlarged loading door with > concrete ramp so the lumber truck can drive right up in there and get > unloaded with the forklift. :) > > Fred > > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center > Dallas, Texas, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > > >What new tools have seemed to work the best over the last year or so? > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060607075443.02a98008 [at] mailhost> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:11:49 +0900 From: David Neale Subject: Curtain Liner Howdy. I'm a long-time Stagecraft mailing list "voyeur", first-time contributor. The school I work at is two months away from completion of a brand new 550 seat proscenium arch auditorium. We're down to picking out curtains which unfortunately coincides with being down to the end of our budget. I have convinced our business director that a decent and durable grand drape is necessary but he is questioning me about the importance of a curtain liner. Although I have never seen a grand without a liner, I was unable to tell him why it is necessary other than for cutting down light penetration. He countered that if the grand material is thick enough, a liner would be redundant. This is where I turn to you. How do I answer the business director's questions: Is a curtain liner necessary? Why? FYI For material, we are currently considering Rose Brand's 21oz. Marvel or 25oz. Memorable. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. David Neale Director of Drama & Video American School in Japan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44860D3F.6090005 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:18:23 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan References: In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy all... > > In the last 2 days, I have seen about every possible misspelling of the > wood material known as LAUAN. Yeah, an oddly spelled word... not luan > (which looks most right), not lauan, not luuan, not luann, not loo-ann. > (Ok, haven't seen that one recently.) > > LAUAN. I did a quick web search to verify the spelling, and discovered this interesting link: http://www.rainforestrelief.org/What_to_Avoid_and_Alternatives/Rainforest_Wood/What_to_Avoid_What_to_Choose/By_Product/Plywood.html or http://tinyurl.com/jmcsd Has anyone tried any of the alternatives listed? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00bc01c689bf$a8650770$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Drill and Drive was : Drill Press Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:14:41 -0600 >>We go through them pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing carpentry without them anymore. I need to >>see if I can find a bulk supplier... > > Fred - The dewalt version of the drill and drive have replacement > drill bits available. Maybe the Ryobi does as well. > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com Ya might just try to fit one of the Dewalt bits into the Ryobi. IIRC the Dewalt bits fit my OLD Makita drill and drive. There are three (at least?) sizes.of drill and drive bits. 8,10 and 12. (and yes I know the drill bits have sizes but that is the part of my brain I left in my toolbox ) Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Rigging question Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:25:05 -0700 Hey I top post you don't have scroll. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" > > It's official, riggers are leading the 'most untrimmed repetition of > thread > ever' contest by a huge lead... > C'mon guys, if it says 'Original Message' more than once in your post, > you're not being polite to the poor digesters. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #835 *****************************