Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30957377; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:02:15 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_BEASTUD autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #837 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #837 1. Re: Different Rigging question by "Bill Conner" 2. Re: Different Rigging question by "Delbert Hall" 3. Re: Drill Press by Steve Larson 4. Re: Curtain Liner by Steve Larson 5. Re: Cleaning procedures for S4 by Steve Larson 6. Re: Curtain Liner by "Fritz Schwentker" 7. Re: Curtain Liner by 8. New Tools... by Heather Hillhouse-Deans 9. Re: Different Rigging question by "Peter Scheu" 10. Re: Binoculars by SS 11. Re: Forever Plaid Costumes by "Michael Powers" 12. Re: Rigging question (and now digest note) by Tom Hares 13. Re: Drill Press by "Paul Guncheon" 14. Re: Drill Press by "Jon Ares" 15. Lauan substitutes... by Heather Hillhouse-Deans 16. Re: Curtain Liner by "Frank E. Merrill" 17. Re: Curtain Liner by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 18. Re: Rigging question (and now digest note) by "Brian Munroe" 19. Re: Curtain Liner by "Brian Munroe" 20. 500 yard shooting by "Frank E. Merrill" 21. Re: Binoculars by "Bill Nelson" 22. Halfway around the circle by "Frank E. Merrill" 23. Curtain Liner by Paul Marsland 24. Re: Binoculars by "Warren Stiles" 25. Re: Shop Floor by Paul Marsland 26. Re: Curtain Liner by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 27. Re: Halfway around the circle by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 28. Re: Binoculars by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 29. Re[2]: Curtain Liner by "Frank E. Merrill" 30. Maurices' Invention by kadams55 31. Re: Curtain Liner by "Bill Nelson" 32. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by CB 33. Re: Maurices' Invention by "Delbert Hall" 34. Re: Semper Fi corrections by CB 35. Re: Drill Press by CB 36. Re[2]: Curtain Liner by "Frank E. Merrill" 37. Re: Curtain Liner by Jerry Durand 38. Re: Drill Press by SS 39. Re: Drill Press by "Paul Schreiner" 40. Re: It always comes back to beer by CB 41. Re: Flag flagity flag flag flag .......ENOUGH by CB 42. Re: Curtain Liner by CB 43. Re: Rigging question by CB 44. Re: Curtain Liner by "Bill Nelson" 45. Re: Rigging question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 46. Re: Curtain Liner by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 47. Re: 500 yard shooting by "Bill Nelson" 48. Re: Re[2]: Curtain Liner by "Bill Nelson" 49. dichroic filters - WOW by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 50. Re: Drill Press by Clive Mitchell 51. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by NODEraser 52. Re: Binoculars by NODEraser 53. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by John McKernon 54. Re: It always comes back to beer by "Daniel Kelly" 55. Re: Different Rigging question by MissWisc [at] aol.com 56. Re: Different Rigging question by "Hall Associates Flying Effects" 57. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 58. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 59. Shipping charges, way OT was Re: Curtain Liner by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 60. Re: Shipping charges, way OT was Re: Curtain Liner by "Jon Ares" 61. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <055501c68a1f$ce45ad90$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:47:42 -0500 I'd be curious to know if it were possible to temporarily remove the steel tube guides and see if that made much of a difference. That's a lot of area it's rubbing on and it doesn't take much pressure from the HVAC to push that panel into the guides. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:00:02 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question In-Reply-To: References:

> But wouldn't a bigger sheeve size be easier to turn > than a smaller size? Like a bigger caster is easier to push than a > smaller one or a larger steering wheel is easier to turn than a > low-rider steering wheel Brian - I would say that the answer to your question is "yes" and "no." Small wheels (casters and sheaves) would be easier to start moving and at very low speeds, but larger wheels would be easier to keep moving, especially at faster speeds. -Delbert . -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:25:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Drill Press From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Noticed just last evening a new line of 36v DeWalt tools at Lowe's. Steve > From: "Occy" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:07:22 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) > Subject: Re: Drill Press > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey guys this one of the 2 times a year that Dewalt offers a 2 pack of the > 18 volt batteries between $90-100. Best deal you will ever find, best places > are amazon.com or lowes, at amazon you can save sales tax in 48 states and > normaly shipping is free. I too am buried in 18 volt dewalt stuff cost a lot > but always work. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." > >> In the past couple of seasons we've gotten some pretty good stuff that's >> worked well for us. >> >> One thing that I'm pretty happy with is having a bunch of our DeWalt 18V >> XRP batteries rebuilt by the local Interstate Battery vendor. With the >> quantity that we had (it was funny to watch their eyes goggle at a >> 5-gallon bucket full of battery packs) the price went down to about $40 >> per (compare to $80 or more for new.) The rebuilt ones seem to be holding >> up pretty well. >> >> We also purchased a second DeWalt sliding compound miter saw. Those things >> just won't quit! We can now take one with us to the space during load-in >> and still have one in the shop for when we're still putting things >> together. Both our saws are mounted on shop made, light-but-sturdy benches >> about 7' wide by 2' deep with Colson Performa casters (4") with the >> total-lock brake. Those casters are the bomb-diggity! Easy rolling, but >> rock solid when locked. (Oh, and they've got 7/8" square stems that fit >> right up into 1" square steel tube.) >> >> The little things are important, too: the carpenters (and I) LOVE the >> Ryobi Drill-and-Drive bits. They're a little on the fragile side, but >> being able to drill pilot holes and countersink in one motion and then >> flip the bit around to drive the screw makes things infinitely easier (and >> hardly any split wood.) They even make one for hinges! We go through them >> pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing >> carpentry without them anymore. I need to see if I can find a bulk >> supplier... >> >> My carpenters also really like the little spring-loaded nail sets and >> center punches that I got them. Don't remember the brand name, but you >> hold one end up against the work, pull back on the other end, and let fly. >> No hammer needed. (If it helps, the carpenters have taken to calling them >> "yankenthwappers.) >> >> I'll second the recommendation on the Drill Doctor. Nothing will take >> weeks away from your life like drilling steel with a dull bit. >> >> Some of the things we DIDN'T buy were any of the big tools. We've got all >> Powermatic stuff here (except the radial arm saw) and it's burly as hell. >> Just needs to be tuned/serviced once in a while. >> >> And, if you have the means, I highly recommend picking up a new (to us) >> production facility with a 17,000 s.f. shop floor (props shop is separate) >> and 35' ceiling. Sweet! Also, spring for the enlarged loading door with >> concrete ramp so the lumber truck can drive right up in there and get >> unloaded with the forklift. :) >> >> Fred >> >> "Big Fred" Schoening >> Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center >> Dallas, Texas, USA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> What new tools have seemed to work the best over the last year or so? >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Curtain Liner From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Perhaps Rose Brand would be a good one to answer the question? Steve > From: David Neale > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:11:49 +0900 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Curtain Liner > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy. I'm a long-time Stagecraft mailing list "voyeur", first-time > contributor. The school I work at is two months away from completion of a > brand new 550 seat proscenium arch auditorium. We're down to picking out > curtains which unfortunately coincides with being down to the end of our > budget. I have convinced our business director that a decent and durable > grand drape is necessary but he is questioning me about the importance of a > curtain liner. Although I have never seen a grand without a liner, I was > unable to tell him why it is necessary other than for cutting down light > penetration. He countered that if the grand material is thick enough, a > liner would be redundant. This is where I turn to you. How do I answer > the business director's questions: Is a curtain liner > necessary? Why? FYI For material, we are currently considering Rose > Brand's 21oz. Marvel or 25oz. Memorable. Thanks in advance for any advice > you might have. > > > David Neale > Director of Drama & Video > American School in Japan > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:28:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Cleaning procedures for S4 From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Not to poo poo anything that you are doing, but--ETC has manuals and cleaning info on their website. Steve > From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:19:06 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Cleaning procedures for S4 >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hi everyone >=20 > I've prepped a document about cleaning source 4s. I'd like it to be vett= ed by > a couple of other people, if some kind souls would raise their hands . . = . >=20 > Let me know if I've got anything wrong, missing anything, could do someth= ing > better (like a better method for cleaning the polymer 10 deg lenses). >=20 > If you'd be willing to look at it, and offer comments, please email off l= ist. > I'll happily share the corrected version with those that help (and > all other listers, as well). I know Abby was quite surprised with the > response she got with her document. Unfortunately for me, it dealt mostl= y > with painting and external touch-ups, rather than the nuts and bolts clea= ning > and maintenance. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Andrew M. Riter > Head Lighting Technician > Chan Centre for the Performing Arts > University of British Columbia > 6265 Crescent Road > Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 > 604-822-2372 > 604-822-1606 fax > chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca >=20 >=20 > ************* > You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in obscurit= y > what it lacks in style > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead > ********************* >=20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Fritz Schwentker" Subject: RE: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c68a33$69c744f0$1600a8c0 [at] FFS> In-Reply-To: David: I think that lining a grand drape makes sense-- --It protects the upstage side of the curtain. Most of the potentially damaging interference with the drape (e.g.. errant scenery, tools, snags on poorly placed lighting equipment, etc.) will happen on the upstage side. Remember also, that these drapes are typically sewn with significant fullness. But, if you apply the liner flat behind, all those luxurious folds (i.e. potential snags) are contained behind the liner. As you point out, this is a serious investment, so it would be better to rip/stain/scorch a cheap denim liner than the expensive velour. --Additionally, as you also mention, the liner will keep light penetration from behind to a minimum. It is also reasonable to say that this will be a minimal problem with the heaviest weight velours. Even a 20-21 oz. fabric when sewn with fullness should have almost no light penetration (but if I try hard, I can see a tiny bit of light through the weave of the 21 oz. sample sitting on my desk.) Anything lighter will certainly present a difficulty. Finally, you will certainly spend more for a heavier fabric, but there is a difference in the richness and texture of the drape over the lighter weight. I will usually specify the heavier fabric for clients or venues that are really looking to show off! Best, Fritz =========================== Fritz Schwentker Senior Theatre Systems Designer WJHW, Inc 12500 Network Blvd, Suite 402 San Antonio, TX 78249 210.561.9800 fschwentker [at] wjhw.com =========================== > -----Original Message----- > From: David Neale > Subject: Curtain Liner > > I have convinced our business director that a decent > and durable > grand drape is necessary but he is questioning me about the > importance of a > curtain liner. Although I have never seen a grand without a > liner, I was > unable to tell him why it is necessary other than for cutting > down light > penetration. He countered that if the grand material is > thick enough, a > liner would be redundant. This is where I turn to you. How > do I answer > the business director's questions: Is a curtain liner > necessary? Why? FYI For material, we are currently > considering Rose > Brand's 21oz. Marvel or 25oz. Memorable. Thanks in advance > for any advice > you might have. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: We are now on our third main rag in 25 years. The original and the second one were lined 25oz Memorable. Our new one, one year old, is the same material but not lined. We choose not to line it this time around. The redundancy your budget director suggests is certainly one reason, but in our case, we had so little room at the curtain line that the liner fouled on whatever might be on the adjacent lineset. Even with the bottom edge tied into the bottom hem of the main rag, it billowed enough when guillotined to be a nuisance. When the liner accidently got a significant tear in it, we simply cut it away. If you are concerned about bleed-thru during scene shifts or the like, consider gelling your works blue and the problem should resolve itself. Also, although it is not a huge amount of weight, there is a lot of bulk involved which makes folding and storing a little more problematic. HTH, Steve Rees,TD SUNY-Fredonia =20 =20 Subject: Curtain Liner --------------------------------------------------- We're down to picking out curtains which unfortunately coincides with being down to the end of our budget. I have convinced our business director that a decent and durable grand drape is necessary but he is questioning me about the importance of a curtain liner. [snippage] David Neale Director of Drama & Video American School in Japan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4486D77B.2090904 [at] lehigh.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:41:15 -0400 From: Heather Hillhouse-Deans Subject: New Tools... Hi All- I have a new favorite toy, although it isn't quite a tool. When we installed a dust collection system last year, I asked for something that would work well with all our sanders and portable tools. What I have now (designed by Oneida Air Systems) is a Fein vac attached to a mini-cyclone separator on a 15 gallon drum, and some really efficient filters. Two hose ports, each 30' long. The assembly is a bit awkward to move, but we strapped it to a little platform and it works great. Not only is it portable, it actually attaches to the dust collection port on our orbital sanders- there hasn't been any dust haze in the shop all year- and that's without the big dust collection system going! I've used it with the router too- wonderful! They designed my system for floor refinishes, but over the last year have started selling the cyclone/drum assembly by itself as well. Heather Hillhouse-Deans Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com ('Phil Blackwood') Subject: RE: Different Rigging question Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:53:24 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: <9cbafac70606061654q7e62e3f1ofdec547fd6fa3390 [at] mail.gmail.com> I'm just insane. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Phil Blackwood [mailto:phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:54 PM >To: Stagecraft; peter [at] scheuconsulting.com >Subject: Re: Different Rigging question > > >I'm just wondering how you fing the time to do all this >posting with a one week old! Congratulations! > >-- >Phillip Blackwood >Technical Director >School of Theater Arts >University of Arizona >(520)621-1104 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606070656y4ee14f3fnb80802997aab6276 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:56:12 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Binoculars In-Reply-To: References: >>>> I have been hunting for a coin-opperated binocular style view finder, as would be seen in touristy areas for a production of The Winning Streak in Chicago. I have found one at a rental house in California, but the pre-shipping rates are far too high for my budget. Can any one suggest a Mid-West source where I can rent, borrow or steal one of these? TIA.<<<< Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with the production you are working on, but... how imperitive is it that it be functional and "the real deal"? I worked on a production of "The Ground Zero Club" a long, long, long time ago and one of the key set pieces is a view-finder (setting is top of the Empire State Building). We just built one and painted it to look like one's we referenced. Again, it was a long time ago so I couldn't begin to tell you what we used to fabricate it (short of 1.5" schedule 40 for the stand), but I do know it didn't take very long and the audience was none the wiser (I worked in the shop, *and*, much to my dismay, happened to be in the show). Just my .02 (whether that means anything or not :) HTH -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606070717w27dd3705td9d4eeea15222ca8 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:09 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: Forever Plaid Costumes From: Jonbielich [at] aol.com >You can contact Lyric Theatre of OKC I believe they rent cheap...use my name >or contact University of Central Oklahoma. Is Oklahoma City Lyric Theatre not still on the OCU (Oklahoma City University) Campus? I worked at Lyric for 6 years before and after I graduated from OCU. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060607142756.13227.qmail [at] web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:27:56 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Hares Subject: Re: Rigging question (and now digest note) In-Reply-To: >From: "Occy" >Hey I top post you don't have scroll. Actually, if your post is in the middle of 80 messages all sent as one long email, it don't make any difference if you top post (with a following reference) or bottom post (to provide continunity), us digesters _still_ have to scroll past it to get to the next message. Just cos Chris B is the most vocal to respect digesters doesn't mean that the rest of us who aren't on individual messages don't back him 100% when he says (and I bottom post as an example): > C'mon guys, if it says 'Original Message' more than once in your post, > you're not being polite to the poor digesters. > Chris "Chris" Babbie Peace all. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301c68a3f$83ccfd20$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:34:34 -1000 <<36v? Holy crap... >> Y'know... I bet eventually they'll put cords on these things so you can plug 'em into the wall. New tools? Hmm... I like the 18v DeWalt grinder. Also the Skil 5-1/2" circular saw. 23 gauge pinner. Dumb tool... Black and Decker motorized tape measure Laters, Paul "I decided which car to purchase after looking at the pictures," said Tom autobiographically. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005301c68a3f$f6b09c20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) References: Subject: Re: Drill Press Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:37:55 -0700 > The little things are important, too: the carpenters (and I) LOVE the > Ryobi Drill-and-Drive bits. They're a little on the fragile side, but > being able to drill pilot holes and countersink in one motion and then > flip the bit around to drive the screw makes things infinitely easier (and > hardly any split wood.) They even make one for hinges! We go through them > pretty quickly (the drill bits break most often) but I can't imagine doing > carpentry without them anymore. I need to see if I can find a bulk > supplier... I started with these gizmos a few years ago (DeWalt made them initially) and I too love them. Have converted many people/shops with these. Ryobi does indeed sell replacement bits, and cheaply (like Mini-Mag replacement bulbs, I always grab several packs at once) - but a lot of time I just use no-name small drill bits and throw them in there (they're held in with a hex set screw - which, conveniently, Ryobi has attached a hex head driver on the back end of the whole assembly). - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4486EA5A.6010506 [at] lehigh.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:01:46 -0400 From: Heather Hillhouse-Deans Subject: Lauan substitutes... I haven't used many of these as a substitute for lauan, but I can't imagine substituting homosote for lauan. Homosote is a sound deadener- much like celotex. Rough surface, fairly fragile, absorbs liquid like crazy, not rigid, heavy. Hardboard has its own problems as well- very heavy, doesn't like fasteners very much, liquid reactive. At one point I tried something called Obiche (probably spelling it wrong)- which seems to be a type of plywood but a different wood composition) wonderful surface, but more brittle and prone to warpage if not frequently framed. We're starting a discussion within our department (hoping it will spread) about being more environmentally aware- what are other people doing to reduce, reuse and recycle? Heather Hillhouse-Deans Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:40:18 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1449009639.20060607114018 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Tuesday, June 6, 2006, David Neal wrote: > Is a curtain liner necessary?...considering Rose Brand's 21oz. Marvel or 25oz. Memorable. I discourage linings wherever possible, guiding the customer instead to a better quality face fabric. Linings work well in suit jackets but are really lousy for stage curtains for some specific reasons: 1. By definition, lining fabrics will be of a different fabric than the curtrain itself. Because of that, it will stretch and shrink with environmental changes differently than the face fabric and, if not properly constructed and attached, will eventually become visible to the audience similar to a lady's slip showing beneach her skirt (Oh wait....Having her underwear showing is a fashionable thing these days) 2. The additional layer of fabric presented by a liner will mess up the pleats if the lining is folded in the pleats and, if the lining is added atop the pleated face fabric and not included in the pleat fold, the above problem of dimensional changes from environmental conditions will be increased. 3. The additional weight of the lining fabric will make the finished curtain appropriately heavier (Duh.) Being a simple but pragmatic man that believes a stage curtain hangs from the bottom row of stitching across the top of the curtain, a heavier curtain will fall down sooner. 4. The additional cost of a lining will more than offset the modest cost saving expected by using a lesser qualiy face fabric. The greatest percentage of a finished curtain's price is in the labor to measure, cut, sew, grommet, and fold the beast and is not in the cost of the fabric itself, since the labor and skill remains unchanged regardless what stuff goes under the needle in the sewing room. So here is the bottom line: Among velour fabrics, 21 oz or lighter will be somewhat translucent in all but the darkest colors. 25 oz or heavier will be opaque in all but the lightest colors. Fabrics heavier than 25 oz. will be no more opaque in most colors but will be correspondingly heavier in weight, which affects item #3 above. Why, yes. As a matter of fact we DO manufacture stage curtains in our building, and we have shipped finished curtains as far as halfway around the world. Have measuring tape. Will travel. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c68a49$d0b9a1b0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > we have shipped finished > curtains as far as halfway around the world. Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving NASA.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:54:21 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Rigging question (and now digest note) In-Reply-To: References:

Tom - I used to be a digest reader on various mailing lists. I now recieve individual posts to a gmail account that I use just for mailing lists. It makes it much easier to read and follow discussions. I belonged (past tense) to a list that had a group of people who would never trim anything. Nested replies to the digest version that usually only said "Me Too!" It was impossible to read Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:58:13 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: References:

> > we have shipped finished > > curtains as far as halfway around the world. > > Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving > NASA.... How far can you walk into the woods? Halfway, then you are walking out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:02:34 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <857379447.20060607120234 [at] tcon.net> Subject: 500 yard shooting In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Tuesday, June 6, 2006, Michael Sorensen wrote: > The best shot I've ever seen. Less than 1/2 minute of angle in a 10 > shot group at 500 yards shot in under 2 minutes Just to make sure...the range was 1,500 feet and the group was ten rounds, and the pattern spread was zero degrees zero minutes thirty seconds? I used to feel pretty good at plinking 5 rounds through my 9mm inside a 3" pattern at ten yards. I'm not worthy....I'm not worthy.... Since I don't have a piece of paper 1500 feet long and would wear out my pencil drawing the lines, I laid out the shot group in AutoCad and came up with a ten-round pattern group 2-5/8" diameter. Let's make sure that guy shoots for the good guys.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1932.205.215.255.107.1149696721.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Binoculars From: "Bill Nelson" > I have been hunting for a coin-opperated binocular style view finder, > as would be seen in touristy areas for a production of The Winning > Streak in Chicago. I have found one at a rental house in California, > but the pre-shipping rates are far too high for my budget. Can any one > suggest a Mid-West source where I can rent, borrow or steal one of > these? TIA. Do you need a functional unit? It would be pretty easy to make a mockup for stage use. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:18:55 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <544962933.20060607121855 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Halfway around the circle Howdy all! Jeff Salzburg and Brian Munroe both commented on my bit about shipping halfway around the world as being the maximum distance for any earthbound shipment, and graciously thank them for having been attentive in geometry class! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060607163151.46016.qmail [at] web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: Hey David, I have enjoyed using lined front curtains for both sound and light blocking. To that end, and considering budget issues, you might check out prices for either; - 16oz velour at 50% fullness, with liner (nice look, lightweight, blocks light), or - 21oz velour at 100% fullness, no liner (more expensive, will look 'richer', and do the job), or - 25oz velour at 50% fullness, no liner (less expensive, will look just fine). FWIW - one of our spaces has a 25oz front curtain, no liner, and the rest is all 16oz velour, lined, which I have come to realy like. If you save enough money, get a black scrim. May seem like a luxury, but you can (and we do) use it almost every show. You might also check into an inherently FP velour, like Stage Decoration's Encore 22oz (depending on the anticipated life of the goods, cleaning schedule, and your local fire regs). And do you know my niece, Sohpie Charron? I think she may be a student of yours. Paul > From: David Neale > Subject: Curtain Liner > > the business director's questions: Is a curtain > liner > necessary? Why? FYI For material, we are > currently considering Rose > Brand's 21oz. Marvel or 25oz. Memorable. Thanks in > advance for any advice > you might have. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4590d63e0606070936y6d9c7ed3h83105a1bf3b5baa2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:36:55 -0500 From: "Warren Stiles" Subject: Re: Binoculars In-Reply-To: References:

This does not need to function, but it is in a very intimate black box. The nearest audience member is about 3' away, so authenticity is important. On 6/7/06, Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I have been hunting for a coin-opperated binocular style view finder, > > as would be seen in touristy areas for a production of The Winning > > Streak in Chicago. I have found one at a rental house in California, > > but the pre-shipping rates are far too high for my budget. Can any one > > suggest a Mid-West source where I can rent, borrow or steal one of > > these? TIA. > > Do you need a functional unit? It would be pretty easy to make a mockup > for stage use. > > Bill > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060607164108.9771.qmail [at] web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Re: Shop Floor In-Reply-To: So Chris, Do you find that the voices in your head get drowned out by the person next to you, the 1k whine of the moving lights on the truss, the gentle clicking of the HVAC system cycling on and off, that triple-cap-steamed-to-150-perfection shouting "DRINK ME", and that always-present 60 cycle hum in the sound system? Do you have to say "Hunh?" to those voices, too, or are they louder than the rest of the din? Just curious. :P Paul > I cannot tell you how many conversations I've had > that were interrupted by > the event I was thinking about before I adopted the > policy of 'Listen to > the Voices in your Head'. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003601c68a4d$0344c030$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:06:14 -0600 Does the space station have plans for theater? Go Frank Go... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: "'Frank E. Merrill'" >> we have shipped finished > > curtains as far as halfway around the world. > > Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving > NASA.... > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Halfway around the circle Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c68a53$f4e38d30$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Jeff Salzburg and Brian Munroe both commented on my bit about=20 > shipping halfway around the world as being the maximum=20 > distance for any earthbound shipment, and graciously thank=20 > them for having been attentive in geometry class! Being serious, for once, I wish I *had* been attentive -- I was one of = those kids who said, "I don't need this stuff; I'm going into theatre." And besides, the teacher had funny arms. Now, of course, I use it every day. I had to go back and teach it to myself...and I realize that her arms didn't matter -- it was what she = *knew* that counted, and I cheated myself out of that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:08:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Binoculars From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Warren, In lieu of actual help I have a question. Have you tried contacting anyone at your "local Parks and Recreations Commission"? More specifically, the person(s) who maintains the devices on the precipices and shorelines in your area, to see if they have a spare/old/damaged or otherwise borrowable unit you could use? Good luck! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:08:52 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <869026987.20060607140852 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Wednesday, June 7, 2006, my friend in Idaho wrote: > Does the space station have plans for theater? Go Frank > Go... Oh yeah. I can do that. Quoted price is FOB my building plus freight charges. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060607183327.98498.qmail [at] web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: kadams55 Subject: Maurices' Invention Has anybody out there done Beauty and the Beast lately? I'm trying to find Maurices Invention for our production at Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival. If anybody knows where I can rent one I would appreciate ith info. Thanks, Kim Adams Technical Director Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2125.205.215.255.107.1149706030.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Curtain Liner From: "Bill Nelson" My personal belief is that you should line all grand drapes. The lining is slippier than the grand material, so it cuts down on wear. Also, if something snags the back of the drape, the lining gets ripped - rather than the grand. In practicality, the 21 oz drape would probably need lining - but the 25 oz could be used without one. But I would still use one, for the above reasons. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607120947.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:09:47 From: CB Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system >That's good for static, but hardly a sufficient ground for a >generator It does provide a better path for most any electricity (static, lightning, bad wiring in either the genny OR the trucks 12V system) to earth than the guy that is reaching to open the door, or turn off the genny. While it ain't great, (the barefooted guy or the guy wearing wet clothes is gonna fry) it beats having nothing. With anything short of lightning, the tires are gonna be an insulator, and even with lightning, you're gonna be less of a resistance than they are... How the code says to do it, I dunno. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:19 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Maurices' Invention In-Reply-To: References: ZFX has scenery, props, and costumes for Beauty and the Beast (plus we can do the fly the Enchantress and the Beast). Call Laurie at 714- 777-1010. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607121900.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:19:00 From: CB Subject: RE: Semper Fi corrections >I like the way submariners state it: "Still on patrol." Back when I was a cop, the midnite shift used that euphamism, with one slight alteration to describe noobs that were having difficulty with the shift in diurnal rhythms. "Still, on patrol". Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607122322.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:23:22 From: CB Subject: RE: Drill Press >I just remembered something I saw yesterday...the new DeWalt 36V >cordless drill. >Big. And heavy. But if I'm ever trying to drill through masonry at the >top of the genie... How d'ya keep the genie from spinning? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:15:45 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1459451314.20060607151545 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Wednesday, June 7, 2006, Bill Nelson wrote: > if something snags the back of the drape, the lining gets ripped - > rather than the grand. Oh c'mon! Repairing and replacing stuff like that is what feeds my kids! Sheesh.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:18:12 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Curtain Liner In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060607121525.01ef6410 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 08:48 AM 6/7/2006, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving >NASA.... I once worked for a company that would ship random boxes (often full of bad/unfinished product) off just before the end of the quarter to non-existent addresses. Boosted their sales numbers and the longer the boxes stayed gone, the better (lost was just a bonus). They might have achieved further than 1/2 way 'round in total mileage. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606071224t17a091a3q913008846dbbc672 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:24:17 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Drill Press In-Reply-To: References: >>>> How d'ya keep the genie from spinning?<<<< Release Finger :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Drill Press Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CA6 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > >I just remembered something I saw yesterday...the new DeWalt 36V=20 > >cordless drill. Big. And heavy. But if I'm ever trying to drill=20 > >through masonry at the top of the genie... >=20 > How d'ya keep the genie from spinning? The heck with the genie, I'm still trying to figure out how to reinforce my shoulder joints for those moments when you're flying along with the gun and (driving, say, lag screws) and you get to the end of the potential travel... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607124104.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:41:04 From: CB Subject: RE: It always comes back to beer >Brewed and bottled by Bayer, >Staatsbrauerei Weihenstephan, Freising, Germany. Yup, that's one of the one's that I was talking about. If you're interested in the others, there is a brief description, (most include the founding date, average age, if you don't include the brew-pubs from the recent coupla decades, 550 years in the business) of the breweries I was talking about and more from that area, go to If you really want to know the founding date on the ones that aren't posted, you need to be able to navigate in German. F'rinstance, the Koenig Ludwig Schlossbrauerei isn't posted, but navigating around the site tells you that it got started in 1561. We just barely had a grasp of the fact that there *was* that place that would eventually hold the site of the Yuengling Brewery at that point. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607131721.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:21 From: CB Subject: RE: Flag flagity flag flag flag .......ENOUGH >Enough Already, If you want to discuss this further..... >GET A ROOM ALREADY. >'nuf said? While quite a few of the conversations on this list appear, at first blush, to have nothing to do with stagecraft, they serve to allow us to provide a 'less than classroom' setting for the exchange of ideas. Knowing how one culture thinks makes conversation with them easier, and the vast number of cultures and sub-cultures on this list means that there is a lot of English being flung about, and much of it misunderstood and misconstrued. We understand that you may not wish to participate in these discussions, let the few of us that gain perspective from these and similar discussions get what we can from them. 'Swhy we put the whole 'subject:' thingie on the e-mails. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607132240.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:22:40 From: CB Subject: RE: Curtain Liner >He countered that if the grand material is thick enough, a >liner would be redundant. This is where I turn to you. How do I answer >the business director's questions: I dunno about drape so much, and he may just be curious, but the bottom line is always, "If we buy based solely on price, we will always be explaining that the reason that 'X' is 'Y' is that we got a great deal on it. If we buy based on needs and performance, we will only be explaining how we did 'X' on such a small budget. Of course, I'm also looking forward to the answer to this one. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060607133014.00c04a40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:30:14 From: CB Subject: Re: Rigging question >Hey I top post you don't have scroll. >> you're not being polite to the poor digesters. It says, 'digesters', brother. We scroll through it all. Top-post, bottom-post, side-post, re-post, you name it. From the list's dos and don'ts: 7. Quote sparingly. If you are replying to someone else's post, include only as much of that post as necessary to make yours understood. It's just the polite thing to do. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2260.205.215.255.107.1149712106.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Curtain Liner From: "Bill Nelson" >> we have shipped finished >> curtains as far as halfway around the world. > > Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving > NASA.... The COULD. The curtains could be shipped the "long way around". For example, ship a drape from New York to Los Angeles via England and Australia. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rigging question Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <009b01c68a71$7396ad70$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Quote sparingly. If you are replying to someone else's > post, include > only as > much of that post as necessary to make yours understood. While wholeheartedly concurring with Chris, let me add: Pleasepleaseplease quote -- if you quote at all -- in such a way as to make it clear which is the quoted text and which is yours. Please. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c68a71$90a46bf0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The COULD. The curtains could be shipped the "long way > around". For example, ship a drape from New York to Los > Angeles via England and Australia. Nah, It's still been shipped only as far as Australia. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2264.205.215.255.107.1149712505.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 500 yard shooting From: "Bill Nelson" > Since I don't have a piece of paper 1500 feet long and would wear out > my pencil drawing the lines, I laid out the shot group in AutoCad and > came up with a ten-round pattern group 2-5/8" diameter. Let's make > sure that guy shoots for the good guys.... The best I ever did was 1/2 minute at 300 yards (roughly 1.5 inches). That was for 5 shots off a bench rest. At greater distances, the width of the scope crosshairs (and probably parallax) interfered. Then, there is the additional handicap that I am not a trained marksman. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2332.205.215.255.107.1149714250.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Curtain Liner From: "Bill Nelson" >> if something snags the back of the drape, the lining gets ripped - >> rather than the grand. > > Oh c'mon! Repairing and replacing stuff like that is what feeds my > kids! Sheesh.... Heh, heh! I work in Community Theatre and they do not have a lot of money. Your kids would starve if you expected to make any money off the locals. Some of the local users are not very careful. If the Grand got torn, you wouldn't be called in to repair or replace it. The management would just do a messy sewing job and live with it. I could only hope that the damage was in one of the hidden fold areas. A sewn tear in a liner is not visible to the audience, and the liner is usually loose enough that it does not affect the hang of the Grand. If it does, the torn area can be cut out and a new piece of liner can be sewn in. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: dichroic filters - WOW Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E6092999C0 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" I installed some recently purchased dichroic filters this morning. All = I can say is WOW. The side by side comparison is an amazing improvement = over a piece of regular gel. My first simple question for the group: how does one notate it in their Lightwright (or paperwork program of choice)? R80, DR80, R80(d), Di80? Any thoughts? How do you store it when not in the lamp? These filters will be in the = lamps 46 weeks of the year. Is there a danger of mixing them with other dichroics when not in the light, and then having difficulty sorting them later? Do you keep them in a binder with individual pockets? Here are some things I learned that surprised me. The field area is reduced by more than I anticipated. Enough so that where 2 lamps made a reasonable wash across stage, it is now scalloped where they meet in the middle. I purchased the Iris slot holders, so I could keep the option of using = them=20 with gobos at the same time. The iris slot holders don't fit well in = the slot: they are sloppy, rotate side to side, shift side to side, and move and pivot back to front as well. They allow a lot of light spill out of the top, even with the iris slot closed. Because the reflective surface is right there, under the = opening,=20 it bounces a bunch of light out. I've got a blond wood ceiling 2' from = the fixture, so this really matters. (under balcony lighting position). These are installed into Source 4s, and I bought holders for the S4. = Does=20 anyone have a similar experience? Will switching to the gobo holder = frame=20 solve these issues? The colour is great. Make no mistake. I'd seriously consider adding to = my inventory a select number of saturated colours in this format. I did = get 2 filters out of 8 that didn't match the other 6. This is a concern. I = hope that the replacements also match the 6 I kept, and if I buy another = batch later for the other half of the wash, that they match as well. Any thoughts? Comments always welcome.. Thanks Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:57:39 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Drill Press References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Paul Guncheon writes >Dumb tool... Black and Decker motorized tape measure Top tool. Stanley fat-max laser measure. Uses the Leica optics to actually measure the distance accurately to the laser point. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:21:13 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan In-Reply-To: References:

> > Has anyone tried any of the alternatives listed? > The "alternatives" heading is blank. Guess you have to send in for "more information", which will require a modest donation. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:27:10 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: Binoculars In-Reply-To: References: On 6/6/06, Warren Stiles wrote: > Can any one > suggest a Mid-West source where I can rent, borrow or steal one of > these? TIA. > Take an acetylene torch to your favorite viewpoint late at night. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:30:32 -0400 Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The colour is great. Make no mistake. I'd seriously consider adding to my > inventory a select number of saturated colours in this format. I did get 2 > filters out of 8 that didn't match the other 6. This is a concern. I hope > that the replacements also match the 6 I kept, and if I buy another batch > later for the other half of the wash, that they match as well. Mismatching is frequently a problem with dichroics. Even if you pay extra to buy them within x nanometers of the spec, saturated colors won't always match. Making dichroics is still largely art, not science. It's best to buy all you need at once, and ask the supplier to make sure they're from the same batch at the factory. I've had clients who found they had to replace *all* of their saturated dichroics almost every time they had to replace a few of them, just so they could be sure they all matched. The new dichroics were inevitably visibly different colors from the old ones, even when ordered from the same supplier. Pale colors (light pink, for instance) are much more predictable. Good luck! - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:40:58 -0400 From: "Daniel Kelly" Subject: Re: It always comes back to beer In-Reply-To: References: On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:41:04, CB wrote: > Yup, that's one of the one's that I was talking about. If you're > interested in the others, there is a brief description, (most include the > founding date, average age, if you don't include the brew-pubs from the > recent coupla decades, 550 years in the business) of the breweries I was > talking about and more from that area, go to > If you really want > to know the founding date on the ones that aren't posted, you need to be > able to navigate in German. F'rinstance, the Koenig Ludwig Schlossbrauerei > isn't posted, but navigating around the site tells you that it got started > in 1561. We just barely had a grasp of the fact that there *was* that > place that would eventually hold the site of the Yuengling Brewery at that > point. Yuengling Lager has been my "default" beer for years. I'm also a fan of the Porter in and of itself, but compared to good British porters, it doesn't rate. Personally, I prefer Red Hook's porter. I find that Yuengling's porter goes particularly well with eggs and bacon at breakfast. My favorite brewery of all is the Ayinger brewery in Aying; just southeast of Munich. They're relatively young as well, having started in 1878. Their Celebrator Doppelbock and Jarhundert-bier are two of my favorites. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <3c0.3f840ef.31b8df43 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:02:43 EDT Subject: Re: Different Rigging question Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com writes: << I'm just wondering how you fing the time to do all this posting with a one week old! > It's called having a great wife. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Hall Associates Flying Effects" Subject: Re: Different Rigging question Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:57:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Phil IMHO, everyone is giving you good advice, and I think that everything together is causing the sluggishness in your system. Generally, if you = try to reduce every source of friction in your system, I feel that it will = run easier. Regarding the debate in sheave size, I have found that larger sheave = OFTEN introduce less friction into the system, simply because they often have bigger and nicer bearings. I have several 8 inch diameter sheaves that = have 1/8" grooves in them, and they have well aligned tapered roller = bearings. . . run smooth like silk. Here are a few suggestions also that are intended to add to those = already posted: > Friction will manifest itself in the form of noise, heat, and = dust/debris. Run the system and l-i-s-t-e-n for noise. If you isolate the noise, go = to the source and see what is rubbing together and make them not rub = anymore. If you find an excessive amount of dust (rope fibers, metal filings, = etc) in part of the system, look up - you might find a friction source. > Make sure your scenic pieces are flying smoothly. As they are being pulled upstage by the battens, they are definitely rubbing against SOMETHING. They have to be. Even a light rub along the height of both = sides of a tall flat will cause more friction than you think. If possible, = kick them wall of flats upstage so that the middle flat is directly under the middle batten, then the US-DS pull will be minimized. > Get better sheaves. That one is most likely a major force-killer, especially with those loads. Also, if the blocks are home-made, the = sheaves are probably rubbing against the side plates. Like the scenery, if the entire side of a sheave is rubbing against a side plate, that is a lot = of surface area rubbing together. If you cannot get better sheaves (I know what university budgets are like, too), take them apart and lube the = heck out of them with white grease, and when you put them back together, try = to slips a thin spacer between the sheave and side plates to keep the = sheave from rubbing. Lube those spacers too. > Make sure the tension on your cables is the same. If one cable has = more tension than the other, the flat might try to bind, again causing = friction drag over a large surface area. Hope this helps! Tracy=A0Nunnally Technical Director / Assistant Professor of Theatre Technology Northern Illinois University School of Theatre and Dance tnunnally [at] niu.edu Phone: 815-753-9342 Fax: 815-753-8415 www.niu.edu/theatre President - Hall Associates Flying Effects info [at] flyingfx.com Phone: 888-359-4255, Ext. 101 (888-FLY-HALL) Fax: 888-359-4255 www.flyingfx.com ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre and Arena ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:35:37 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system In-Reply-To: References: > How the code says to do it, I dunno. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ Where would one look for such code? Anyone out there ever done a professional, large scale, parade float? Jeff ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006901c68ab9$3b18ed30$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:05:04 -0600 I just wrote a friend who has a friend, who knows somebody. patience now I guess. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system > > How the code says to do it, I dunno. > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > > Location Sound > > MON AZ > Where would one look for such code? > > Anyone out there ever done a professional, large scale, parade float? > Jeff ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002d01c68abf$00e6cc30$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Shipping charges, way OT was Re: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:42:16 -0600 Ok, Question. The International Space Station orbits 220 miles (360km) above Earth. If you were to send a package, can you get zone 3 rates from UPS or... is it the actual flight path you would get billed for. Approximately 3 times around the earth for altitude and course navigation: >80,000 miles. Zone ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nelson" > > >> we have shipped finished > >> curtains as far as halfway around the world. > > > > Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving > > NASA.... > > The COULD. The curtains could be shipped the "long way around". For > example, ship a drape from New York to Los Angeles via England and > Australia. > > Bill > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c68abf$e5b32f70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Shipping charges, way OT was Re: Curtain Liner Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:53:42 -0700 > The International Space Station orbits 220 miles (360km) > above Earth. If you were to send a package, can you get > zone 3 rates from UPS or... > is it the actual flight path you would get billed for. > Approximately 3 times around the earth for altitude and > course navigation: >80,000 miles. Zone ??? Couldn't the ISS just use their Transporter? Oh wait.... guess I was thinking of something else.... I suspect T-Mobile or Cingular would charge Data Rates for that.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1072.205.215.253.244.1149748035.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW From: "Bill Nelson" > I purchased the Iris slot holders, so I could keep the option of using > them > with gobos at the same time. The iris slot holders don't fit well in the > slot: they are sloppy, rotate side to side, shift side to side, and > move and pivot back to front as well. Are you sure you got the right holders? It doesn't sound like you have the right ones. Make sure they were not the ones for the S4 Junior. > They allow a lot of light spill out of the top, even with the iris slot > closed. Because the reflective surface is right there, under the opening, > it bounces a bunch of light out. I've got a blond wood ceiling 2' from > the fixture, so this really matters. (under balcony lighting position). Is the light coming out the iris slot or the pattern slot? If the iris slot, what happens if you rotate the holder 180 degrees. Of course, you would have to rotate the dichro filter as well. Remember that the dichroic surface goes towards the light. If it is coming out the pattern slot, does inserting an empty pattern holder help? > These are installed into Source 4s, and I bought holders for the S4. Does > anyone have a similar experience? Will switching to the gobo holder frame > solve these issues? Switching to a glass gobo holder will get the reflective surface as close to the gate as possible and should pretty much solve the problem. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #837 *****************************