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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30991357; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:02:14 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.3 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #838 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #838 1. Re: Maurices' Invention by "LES LIND" 2. Re: Simulated bullet hits by Dorian Kelly 3. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Dorian Kelly 4. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by Dorian Kelly 5. Re: Correct spelling of Lauan by Jim Hyslop 6. Re: It always comes back to beer by SS 7. Re: Technology Advances...revisited by SS 8. Re: Technology Advances...revisited by Stephen Litterst 9. Re: laser measure by "Paul Guncheon" 10. Re: laser measure by Michael Heinicke 11. Re: 500 yards by Michael Sorensen 12. Laser measure by "Frank E. Merrill" 13. Re[2]: 500 yards by "Frank E. Merrill" 14. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re[2]: 500 yards by Richard Wolpert 15. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by "Bill Nelson" 16. Re: 500 yards by "Frank E. Merrill" 17. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Donald Robert Fox" 18. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Jerry Durand 19. Re: Laser measure by "Delbert Hall" 20. DSL modem for free by Jerry Durand 21. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by Michael Drury 22. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by Jerry Durand 23. Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference by "Bill Conner" 24. Re: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference by "Ian Cunningham" 25. Re: Binoculars by CB 26. Re: Curtain Liner by CB 27. Re: Curtain Liner by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 28. Re: Shop Floor by CB 29. Re: Drill Press by CB 30. Re: How to ground a moving sound system by Clive Mitchell 31. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by Clive Mitchell 32. Re: laser measure by Clive Mitchell 33. Re: Drill Press by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 34. Re: It always comes back to beer by Tony Kambic 35. Intelligent Falling by Jerry Durand 36. Re: Intelligent Falling by Jerry Durand 37. Re: Intelligent Falling by Jim Hyslop 38. Re: Intelligent Falling by Brian James 39. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by Andy Ciddor 40. Re: Curtain Liner by "Paul Schreiner" 41. Re: Drill Press by "Paul Schreiner" 42. Re: It always comes back to beer by "Paul Schreiner" 43. Re: laser measure by "Chris Warner" 44. Powering Floats (Alternative?) by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 45. Re: Technology Advances...revisited by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 46. Re: dichroic filters - WOW by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:37:11 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Maurices' Invention I've done it once and in it twice as Maurice, each time we've built our own version of the "invention". Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> kadams55 [at] yahoo.com 6/7/06 2:33 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Has anybody out there done Beauty and the Beast lately? I'm trying to find Maurices Invention for our production at Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival. If anybody knows where I can rent one I would appreciate ith info. Thanks, Kim Adams Technical Director Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:08:12 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Simulated bullet hits >------------------------------------ Jerome Wild Posted by dad >Wildl [at] northern.edu >I'm trying to build a computer controlled system of air valves to >simulate bullet hits. I've seen some valve manifolds made by smc, >but I don't know if they have a high enough presure rating to be >very usefull. I'm guessing 30-40 psi would be suffiecient pressure. >I'm also trying to build an air cannon using a sprinkler valve and a >5 gallon air tank. Any help would be greatly appreicated. Do you want a nice lo tec way? I made a great machine gun fire line of bullet hits once with a bit of plastic tubing drilled at 6 inch intervals and put a well greased wadding into the nearest end of it and buried the lot under some sand ( it was a desert) and then gave it a whoof of compressed air. The wadding moved down the tube like a good-un and a lovely line of sand founts appeared one after the other. The far end was out of shot Dorian Kelly ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:22:21 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Howdy ! > >Friday, May 26, 2006, Laura McMeley wrote: > >> ...doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must appear to be >> struck by lightning while an actor is standing next to it...cannot > > include any pyro effects...Budget is $200 for this show. Hire as many as you can afford of white lightning strobes or any BIG ones and point them at the audience. Add a loud electrical spark noise ( record a welder) and follow on with the lowest and shortest sub bass bang that your speakers can handle. Do it without warning ( apart from the notice in the foyer) and I guarantee your audience will be stunned, shocked and totally believing that they have been hit by lightning. Now if you could add a burnt hair smell .... Dont do what I did at the age of twelve. Dont take some projector arc rods and dont wrap insulating tape around them to hold them by and certainly dont connect them to the mains via an electric iron to limit the current, and then certainly dont touch them together. It did make a great lightning effect though.. .;.The burnt hair smell looked after itself. Dorian ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:36:03 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW > > >I purchased the Iris slot holders, so I could keep the option of using them >with gobos at the same time. The iris slot holders don't fit well in the >slot: they are sloppy, rotate side to side, shift side to side, and >move and pivot back to front as well. > >Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Am I being dense here? I have had no experience of using dicroics as a colour filter in source 4s , although I have often used them with low intensity light sources in artworks ( I am one of those people that make installation art for real artists to exhibit under their own names) but are you putting the colour in the gate where the iris goes rather than the front slot? Is that kosher? Dichroics work by reflecting back all the unwanted frequencies which is why they look so interestingly different from each side. What about all the reflected heat being kicked back into the lamphouse? How long is that filter going to last? I know that a bit big enough to fit a front slot is likely to be really expensive. Dorian ( third post today, you can tell I am catching up after a couple a weeks out) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44881892.9050407 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:31:14 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Correct spelling of Lauan References:

In-Reply-To: NODEraser wrote: >> >> Has anyone tried any of the alternatives listed? >> > > The "alternatives" heading is blank. Guess you have to send in for > "more information", which will require a modest donation. > The link takes me to http://www.rainforestrelief.org/What_to_Avoid_and_Alternatives/Rainforest_Wood/What_to_Avoid_What_to_Choose/By_Tree_Species/Tropical_Woods/L/Lauan_/Alternatives.html or http://tinyurl.com/krkfc -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606080634s6e3cbd0vfc970bc3407f3a13 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:34:47 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: It always comes back to beer In-Reply-To: References:

>>>>I find that Yuengling's porter goes particularly well with eggs and bacon at breakfast.<<<< Wow. Looks like somebody starts early. Or, depending on the evening had before, ends late. Is it that bad? Or is it that good? :)- -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606080656h336c85b7h46f98636f8551730 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:56:19 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Technology Advances...revisited In-Reply-To: References: > So my question seemed like homework...partially because it was for my classes > and we were going to compare my classes advances to those of the > professionals...except only one professional attempted to answer the question. Which in > and of its self is quite interesting. Concrete vs wood floors... Flag with > grommets vs no grommets... Hmmmm I am still interested in this lists opinions > as are my students. So here goes one more time. Describe a recent theatre > technology advance (last 2 or 3 years). Explain how the advance has significantly > impacted practice in the industry. And explain the preparation necessary to > take advantage of the advance. Surely the brightest minds can throw us a couple > of bones. I venture to say you have received little response because of the nature/structure of the question. While I am sure many, many folks on this list could provide ample information/opinion to work with, I'm betting that it isn't that they don't know or don't care, so much as it is a time consuming process, and an overwhelming amount of info/conversation would be inevitable. A lengthy/friendly discussion over "frosty adult beverages", a USITT Panel, or compiling work for a publication all suit your inquiry well. Going in depth on a little email forum probably isn't the right avenue. I believe Curtis's response kinda/sorta sums that up: "It depends on where you started. In some theatres a roof has revolutionized EVERYTHING in the last two years. In other cases the latest million dollar wizbang whatchacallit made a few tasks moderately easier. Though I am sure others will have different opinions. I will be pleasantly surprised if a single technology can be universally defined as having a significant industry wide impact in the last couple years." Make sense? I would be interested in seeing/hearing what you have come up with though, as I'm sure others might as well. Cool? Just my .02 {for whatever that's worth...probably .01 :) } -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:41:48 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Technology Advances...revisited In-reply-to: Message-id: <4488372C.60408 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- Describe a recent theatre technology advance (last 2 or 3 years). Explain how the advance has >> significantly impacted practice in the industry. And explain the preparation >> necessary to take advantage of the advance. Surely the brightest minds can throw >> us a couple of bones. Here's my bone -- From the center of the theatre/entertainment industry (above community theatre, below Broadway/Vegas) technological advances take considerably longer than 2-3 years to make a significant impact. Moving lights have been around for 25 years, and they've only become widespread at the regional and academic level in the past five. Computer automated scenery has been on Broadway for quite some time but is only recently been gaining ground at the middle levels. Looking up at where technology enters the industry, I'd have to say that LED technology, specifically LED video walls and drops, is making a significant impact in the parts of the industry that can afford it. It's giving digital scenery a front seat on the roller-coaster ride of progress. As far as preparation, LED tech is forcing electricians and carpenters to gain training and experience as electronic techs in addition to our ability to plug in a light. That's my small bone, Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007001c68b0a$c6900960$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: laser measure Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:49:14 -1000 <> What is the error factor for this tool? Most used tool outside of a tape measure... 12v Makita impact driver. Note: Keep away from the makita 12v batteries (3 ah) with the built in LED's. I've had 10 of them and they all failed to last longer than a 1.6 ah battery. Laters, Paul "I manufacture tabletops," said Tom counterproductively. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060608145529.36558.qmail [at] web82210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: laser measure In-Reply-To: --- Paul Guncheon wrote: > < the Leica optics to > actually measure the distance accurately to the > laser point.>> > > What is the error factor for this tool? I was curious and looked it up just before receiving this email. +/- 1/4" [at] 100'. Max range, 100'. That's for their low end measure that sells for about $99. The next two models have higher accuracy and higher price tags. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060608151107.92026.qmail [at] web50714.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: Re: 500 yards In-Reply-To: < The best shot I've ever seen. Less than 1/2 minute of angle in a 10 > shot group at 500 yards shot in under 2 minutes >Just to make sure...the range was 1,500 feet and the >group was ten rounds, and the pattern spread was zero >degrees zero minutes thirty seconds? >I used to feel pretty good at plinking 5 rounds >through my 9mm inside a 3" pattern at ten yards. I'm not worthy....I'm not worthy.... >Since I don't have a piece of paper 1500 feet long and >would wear out my pencil drawing the lines, I laid out >the shot group in AutoCad and came up with a ten-round >pattern group 2-5/8" diameter. Let's make sure that >guy shoots for the good guys.... extreme center to center of shots was just over 3 inches. To be honest there were only 4 recognizable holes in the target, with the center shredded out so badly we couldn't count how many bullets hit there accurately. However, I have no doubt that all 6 hit (take that, Robin Hood!) Mark had some great stories about Nicaragua and El Salvador... Michael Sorensen Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:41:36 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <312834856.20060608114136 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Laser measure In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Someone asked about a laser measure. Because of high recommenations from the Oracles of this list, I bought a Leica Disto a few years ago and use it for field measurements when laying out curtain and lighting installations, renovations and replacements and love it! From=20the stage deck I can measure to the underside of a dead hung pipe batten, get the width of the backstage area amid stacks of chairs and scenery flats, and measure the depth of mortar joints on the back wall of the house if I wanted to, all plus or minus 1/16". I built an adapter for an ADC #280 track carrier to hang the thing so that when hanging track channel I can roll the Disto under each hanging point and dial in the turnbuckles without dispute. I think I spent about $300 on the thing, but it is indispensible. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com=20 Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplig= hter [at] tcon.net =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:52:54 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <19710196866.20060608115254 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: 500 yards In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Thursday, June 8, 2006, Michael sorensen further amazed me by writing: > extreme center to center of shots was just over 3 inches... 4 > recognizable holes in the target... no doubt that all 6 hit. I feel a LITTLE better knowing that the sharpshooter fired six rounds so accurately instead of ten, but I'm still very clumsy by any variety of interpretation. I've tried telling people that I put five rounds through one hole but they always accuse me of missing the entire target eighty percent of the time.... I'm going to take a wild stab at the marksman's activities by assuming he was in prone position with a lead sled or similar rifle bench, and with a very carefully aligned 'scope. So in the larger picture, I might miss the target by 3" at ten yeards with my 9mm pistol while standing and using open white-dot sights, but in the end the bad guy will still go down because I got him in the left eye instead of the forehead. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 From: Richard Wolpert Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re[2]: 500 yards In-reply-to: Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Message-id: Don't assume a rifle bench or scope. 500 yds. is the standard 'A' range that Marine riflemen are tested on annually. An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull ( about a silver dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis. The fact that this shooter was a sniper means he might have been using a Remington 700 - an even more accurate weapon. Not to brag ( well, not too much ), but the phrase "every Marine is a rifleman" is true. Every marine has to qualify on the range on an annual basis. That includes everyone from the cooks to the Commandant. Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Frank E. Merrill Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:53 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re[2]: 500 yards For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Howdy ! Thursday, June 8, 2006, Michael sorensen further amazed me by writing: > extreme center to center of shots was just over 3 inches... 4 > recognizable holes in the target... no doubt that all 6 hit. I feel a LITTLE better knowing that the sharpshooter fired six rounds so accurately instead of ten, but I'm still very clumsy by any variety of interpretation. I've tried telling people that I put five rounds through one hole but they always accuse me of missing the entire target eighty percent of the time.... I'm going to take a wild stab at the marksman's activities by assuming he was in prone position with a lead sled or similar rifle bench, and with a very carefully aligned 'scope. So in the larger picture, I might miss the target by 3" at ten yeards with my 9mm pistol while standing and using open white-dot sights, but in the end the bad guy will still go down because I got him in the left eye instead of the forehead. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2212.205.215.253.249.1149784356.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW From: "Bill Nelson" > own names) but are you putting the colour in the gate where the > iris goes rather than the front slot? Is that kosher? Dichroics work > by reflecting back all the unwanted frequencies which is why they > look so interestingly different from each side. What about all the > reflected heat being kicked back into the lamphouse? How long is that > filter going to last? I know that a bit big enough to fit a front > slot is likely to be really expensive. I believe that the filters are being placed in the iris slot. A better position would be the pattern slot - as it is closer to the gate. It also is probably a tighter fit - so it keeps the filter aligned better. When you tilt a dichroic filter, the passband shifts. Fortunately, we do not have the passband needs of the astronomical community. The good hydrogen alpha filters are very narrow band, and have tuning for the filter angle as well as requiring temperature control. A good one costs several thousand dollars. The dichroic might produce the same color from either side (depending on how the layers were applied) - but the proper way to install it is with the dichroic surface towards the lamp. This keeps any unwanted heat/light from passing through the glass substrate. The filter does not get as hot, so it lasts longer. There is also less color shift from heat expansion. Dichroics are really nice for fairly saturated colors. No more replacing your blue gels after every few performances when using a "hot center" lamp focus. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:45:50 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1312292956.20060608124550 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: 500 yards In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Thursday, June 8, 2006, Richard wolpert wrote: > [A Marine with] An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the > prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull (about a silver > dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis. Shriveling into a fetal position in the dark recesses of my cave.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:31:08 +0000

Does your age twelve experience fall under the "hey guys watch this".

Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A.

USA-AEA-IALD

Asst. Professor of Design

University of the Incarnate Word

Dept. of Theatre Arts

From:  Dorian Kelly <dorian [at] essex.ac.uk>
Reply-To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject:  Re: Lightning bolt effect
Date:  Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:22:21 +0100
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>Howdy !
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>Friday, May 26, 2006, Laura McMeley wrote:
>
>>  ...doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must
>>appear to be
>>  struck by lightning while an actor is standing next to
>>it...cannot
>  > include any pyro effects...Budget is $200 for this show.

Hire as many as you can afford of white lightning strobes or any BIG ones and point them at the audience. Add a loud electrical spark noise ( record a welder)  and  follow on with the lowest and shortest sub bass bang that your speakers can handle. Do it without warning ( apart from the notice in the foyer)  and I guarantee your audience will be stunned, shocked and totally believing that they have been hit by lightning. Now if you could add a burnt hair smell ....

Dont do what I did at the age of twelve. Dont take some projector arc rods and dont wrap insulating tape around them to hold them by and certainly dont connect them to the mains via an electric iron to limit the current, and then certainly dont touch them together. It did make a great lightning effect though.. .;.The burnt hair smell looked after itself.

Dorian

------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:37:17 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060608103617.01f193b0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 10:31 AM 6/8/2006, Donald Robert Fox wrote: >Does your age twelve experience fall under the "hey guys watch this". You ever notice how "hey guys watch this" often is followed by "CALL 911!"? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:54:01 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Laser measure In-Reply-To: References:

I agree completely with Frank about the Lecia Disto, it is an excellent laser measuing device and it works even in brightly lit spaces (or outdoors). This is not a toy, it is a very accurate professional quality tool. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:59:36 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: DSL modem for free Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060608105316.01f2c008 [at] interstellar.com> Well, you pay the shipping. No charge for the modem for any needy person/theatre. Contact me off-list. We used this on our DSL line until we switched from Covad to Verizon. Verizon required a different brand of modem, you should verify that your ISP supports this modem. BroadMax Technology Limited LinkMAX HSA300A-2 used, with AC adaptor one DSL filter, Y-adapter, and CAT-5 cable supplied currently configured in BRIDGE mode manuals available on-line, none supplied. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <448873D7.1070109 [at] peoplepc.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:00:39 -0400 From: Michael Drury Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system References:

In-Reply-To: I helped on several for the 500 parade here in Indianapolis. Michael Drury > > > Anyone out there ever done a professional, large scale, parade float? > Jeff > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:32:19 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060608123128.01f22370 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 12:00 PM 6/8/2006, Michael Drury wrote: >I helped on several for the 500 parade here in Indianapolis. >Michael Drury So, what is the code/method of grounding the generator on the float? My wife just suggested a big pot of dirt on the float with the ground stake driven in it. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01d401c68b38$777e6780$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:16:45 -0500 What type of power receptacle will I likely find in a modern London hotel? The 2 round pins (NW-4C) or the three flat blades (NW-135C) with 2 in line and one perpendicular? Thanks. Reply all - I'm a digester and leave in less than 3 hours! Bill C. ------------------------------ From: "Ian Cunningham" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:08:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c68b3f$b13a0d10$0201a8c0 [at] DVstudio> In-Reply-To: AAAAAMo43b4JqUFBhANQeK3MdboEbyEA The NW-135C is the one you want - the UK standard is the 13A BS1363 plug/socket which pretty much universal (its very, very, very rare to find other sockets in a domestic setting) Its stating the obvious but the device will need to accept 240V 50Hz mains without going bang! And not need an earth. These adaptors are easily obtainable in the UK Absolutely no idea what the NW-4c is meant to plug into - I'm guessing a 5A or 15A or maybe a shaver socket Enjoy the conference - I'll be at ABTT Wed/Thurs (getting sleeper down from Edinburgh on Tuesday night) Ian Cunningham Solus Technical Services solus [at] techie.f9.co.uk 07710 776 749 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: 08 June 2006 21:17 To: Stagecraft Subject: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- What type of power receptacle will I likely find in a modern London hotel? The 2 round pins (NW-4C) or the three flat blades (NW-135C) with 2 in line and one perpendicular? Thanks. Reply all - I'm a digester and leave in less than 3 hours! Bill C. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060608151534.00c05080 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:15:34 From: CB Subject: Re: Binoculars > We just built one and painted it to >look like one's we referenced. Again, it was a long time ago so I >couldn't begin to tell you what we used to fabricate it (short of 1.5" >schedule 40 for the stand) This could get you a long way towards building your own as well. Once you have that, the rest is easy to make. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060608152648.00c05080 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:26:48 From: CB Subject: RE: Curtain Liner >Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them farther without involving >NASA.... Now, that's not quite true. My bags have travelled more'n half teh distance of the circumfrence of the globe to 'accompany' me to the UK on occasion, and I'm pretty sure that Continental Airlines didn't use any military or governmental agency. As I understand it, they didnt' leave the local atmosphere to do it, either. I think the phrase you were looking for was, "It wouldn't be pragmatic". In that case, I'd agree. It certainly wasn't. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Curtain Liner Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01b101c68b4a$9eeb9d80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: No matter how far they traveled to get there, when they arrived, they were no more than halfway around the world. > Now, that's not quite true. My bags have travelled more'n > half teh distance of the circumfrence of the globe to > 'accompany' me to the UK on occasion, ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060608153535.00c05080 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:35:35 From: CB Subject: Re: Shop Floor >Do you find that the voices in your head get drowned >out by the person next to you, the 1k whine of the >moving lights on the truss, the gentle clicking of the >HVAC system cycling on and off, that >triple-cap-steamed-to-150-perfection shouting "DRINK >ME", and that always-present 60 cycle hum in the sound >system? > >Do you have to say "Hunh?" to those voices, too, or >are they louder than the rest of the din? Right now all of those noises are being drowned out by the alarms going of over some guy named 'Paul' rooting around inside my head! GET OUT! getoutgetoutgetout! ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060608154013.00c05080 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:40:13 From: CB Subject: RE: Drill Press >The heck with the genie, I'm still trying to figure out how to reinforce >my shoulder joints for those moments when you're flying along with the >gun and (driving, say, lag screws) and you get to the end of the >potential travel... Your shoulders will travel along with the rest of your body, gathering up the lanyard that attaches you to the genie. Once you run out of lanyard, I repeat, how do you keep the genie from spinning? Or, if you *do* find a way to keep teh genie in place, how do you keep the building from spinning? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:31:12 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jerry Durand writes >So, what is the code/method of grounding the generator on the float? > >My wife just suggested a big pot of dirt on the float with the ground >stake driven in it. :) It really just needs the generators chassis bonded to the float chassis. There's no wiring outwith the float to leak/short to ground and cause a potential difference between the ground and float chassis. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:37:07 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Dorian Kelly writes >( I am one of those people that make installation art for real artists >to exhibit under their own names) Personally I disapprove of that. If the artist didn't make it themselves then it's not their art. I get asked to build other peoples "art" all the time and tend to refuse. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1kHIrHF+bKiEFw+b [at] emanator.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:38:54 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: laser measure References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Paul Guncheon writes ><actually measure the distance accurately to the laser point.>> > >What is the error factor for this tool? Check out the specs. It's extremely accurate. It's not like the ultrasonic measurement units that return unpredictable results. Wherever the laser dot lands is where you are measuring to. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:44:08 GMT Subject: Re: Drill Press Message-Id: <20060608.154411.6600.40618 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Once the lanyard tightens and becomes a tourniquet, the building = might well appear to be spinning from your point of view. /s/ Richard ______________________________ Your shoulders will travel along with the rest of your body, = gathering up the lanyard that attaches you to the genie. Once you = run out of lanyard, I repeat, how do you keep the genie from = spinning? Or, if you *do* find a way to keep teh genie in place, how = do you keep the building from spinning? Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:52:28 -0400 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: It always comes back to beer In-reply-to: Message-id: <000201c68b4e$3a3f3a50$7a88c744 [at] tony> Yuengling goes well with any meal, any time:-P Tony M Kambic Electronics Technician - City Theatrical Freelance lighting technician, NY, NY > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of SS > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:35 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: It always comes back to beer > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>I find that Yuengling's porter goes particularly well with eggs > and bacon at breakfast.<<<< > > > Wow. Looks like somebody starts early. > Or, depending on the evening had before, ends late. > > Is it that bad? Or is it that good? > :)- > > > -SS > TTS-EKU > "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing > in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:56:12 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Intelligent Falling Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060608165430.01f244c0 [at] interstellar.com> I see the Theory of Gravity is out now and "Intelligent Falling" is in: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512 I guess that means if you're stupid you can't possibly fall off that truss. How can these people say this stuff with a straight face? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:01:37 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060608170108.01f2b068 [at] interstellar.com> References: Oh yes, I DO know where that article was published. Got you to think. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4488C237.40604 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:35:03 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > Oh yes, I DO know where that article was published. Got you to think. :) Note to self: pay more attention to the URLs :=) One of my favourite sayings: Gravity: Not just a good idea, IT'S THE LAW! (last phrase best said in a deep, booming voice). -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4488D40D.6050205 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:51:09 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling References:

In-Reply-To: So does the quote below mean that sparks are more intelligent than people or other objects? 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling." Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jerry Durand wrote: > >> Oh yes, I DO know where that article was published. Got you to think. :) >> > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060609115237.05feb600 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:02:50 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW In-Reply-To: References:

At 08:37 9.06.2006, Big Clive wrote: >Personally I disapprove of that. If the artist didn't make it >themselves then it's not their art. I get asked to build other >peoples "art" all the time and tend to refuse. There is a long and honourable history of artists making models (not always at full scale) for casting in bronze or carving from marble by skilled artisans. Then there's all those large artworks that were based in by assistants and apprentices. In recent years I have encountered innumerable pieces of urban art and public art which have required large multi-disciplinary teams to design and execute to an artist's concepts and designs. Like many people on this list I have participated in these kinds of projects. Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:17:03 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Curtain Liner In-Reply-To: References:

> No matter how far they traveled to get there, when they arrived, they were > no more than halfway around the world. So, when it comes time to account for your mileage on your tax return, do you use actual distances traveled, or "as the crow flies" mileage? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:18:34 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Drill Press In-Reply-To: References: I don't use a lanyard in a genie lift...seeing as it's against regs and all. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:21:40 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: It always comes back to beer In-Reply-To: References:

> Yuengling goes well with any meal, any time:-P Once upon a time (going on eleven years ago) I was treated to breakfast beer on my birthday for the first time. Saranac Black & Tan, IIRC. No climbing involved, but that was a very relaxed day at work. (Standard disclaimers apply. Don't try this at home. I'm a trained beer-drinking professional.) ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: laser measure Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c68b7d$558043c0$6801a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Laser measurement is so accurate that surveyors use them and have for many years. Sure beats calibrating metal tape measures! Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:39 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: laser measure > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Paul Guncheon > writes > >< >actually measure the distance accurately to the laser point.>> > > > >What is the error factor for this tool? > > Check out the specs. It's extremely accurate. > > It's not like the ultrasonic measurement units that return unpredictable > results. Wherever the laser dot lands is where you are measuring to. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 00:25:31 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Powering Floats (Alternative?) If one wasn't to use a generator, but get the power from the truck pulling the float (via the cigarette lighter), would that be better? Would the power be "cleaner"? Would it be able to power more equipment or less equipment? (Compared to a low-to-middle-end generator) What would it require? (an adapter of some sort?) Would it pose more or less of a threat of damaging the equipment? Thanks again for all the collective help/toughts/teaching/information. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:06:11 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: Technology Advances...revisited In-Reply-To: References:

> From the center of the theatre/entertainment industry (above community > theatre, below Broadway/Vegas) technological advances take considerably > longer than 2-3 years to make a significant impact. Moving lights have > been around for 25 years, and they've only become widespread at the > regional and academic level in the past five. Computer automated > scenery has been on Broadway for quite some time but is only recently > been gaining ground at the middle levels. I think Steve makes a very good point here. Working in the Sacramento area of CA, there are a whole lot of poor theatres around, that are simply trying to make it through the next show while planning next year's season. Most of them don't have long-term plans for better-ing the theatre technically. Also, I've found that the majority of technical equipment purchaced is out of need. This show needs this item, or we need (product Z) to get a contraption to work for opening night. Not much equipment is purchased because the theatre has extra money and wants to improve the show quality through the tech department. (Stepping down off soap box) Because of this, it takes a very, very long time for the latest technology to make it's way down to the community, educational, and certain the lower commercial/professional levels of theatre. I might be speaking for a minority within this forum (those working for theatres that are hard-up for cash), so please, take my comments for what they are worth and consider the source. I am a student learning the craft, therefore, I have more exposure to theatres with less cash and a desperate need for techs. I cannot speak intelligently on this topic regarding "professional theatre". I'm sure this of absolutly no help to you. But it was damn theraputic for me ; ) So thanks. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:59:15 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >In message , Dorian Kelly writes >>( I am one of those people that make installation art for real >>artists to exhibit under their own names) > >Personally I disapprove of that. If the artist didn't make it >themselves then it's not their art. I get asked to build other >peoples "art" all the time and tend to refuse. > >-- >Clive Mitchell >http://www.bigclive.com So do I - theoretically. But it sometimes requires a mixture of craft, arts, level of technology and software bodgery not easily available to them, and the money is good, and I really enjoy going to private views, drinking their very expensive champagne and seeing certain artists waving their arms about taking all the credit ( and before anyone accuses me of homophobia again, it is just arm-waver-ophobia), and knowing its my art that got them there - just as teachers are usually pretty pleased when their students do well. One of the things my company loves to do is to p-ervert materials made for industry to the uses of art: It nicely counteracts my tendency to use the lowest-tec solution possible for theatre work. I have in fact exhibited under my own name at the Hayward, the Oxford MOMA and a few other places, as well as being an inventive lighting designer * with experience since 1966, so I am well content in my own artistry and dont need to get stuck in all that artist-luvvie scene Dorian Kelly *currently free for tours, pantos and wicker-bottom chair repairing, any offers? Illuminati Creative Technology Colchester UK ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #838 *****************************