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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #839

 1. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 2. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 3. FW: Simulated bullet hits
    by "Wild, Larry" <wildl [at] northern.edu>
 4. Re: Technology Advances...revisited
    by Heather Hillhouse-Deans <hjh2 [at] Lehigh.EDU>
 5. Re: Technology Advances...revisited
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
 6. Strike Cleanup
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
 7. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: Strike Cleanup
    by "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>
 9. Capital Campaign
    by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
10. Re: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
11. Re: Strike Cleanup
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
12. Re: Strike Cleanup
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
13. Re: Capital Campaign
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
14. Re: Capital Campaign
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
15. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
16. Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
17. Re: Anaphylactic Falling (was Intelligent Falling)
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
18. Re: Capital Campaign
    by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
19. Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
    by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
20. Re: dichroic filters - WOW
    by "Fritz, Barry L" <fritzbl [at] etown.edu>
21. Doing other people's art
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
22. Re: Anaphylactic Falling (was Intelligent Falling)
    by "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
23. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
24. Re: How to ground a moving sound system
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
25. Re: How to ground a moving sound system
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
26. Re: laser measure
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
27. Re: dichroic filters - WOW
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
28. Re: Maurices' Invention
    by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" <jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu>
29. I cue symbol
    by "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
30. Re: I cue symbol
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
31. Re: 500 yards
    by "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
32. Re: I cue symbol
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
33. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by rr account <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
34. Re: 500 yards
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
35. Re: Capital Campaign
    by <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
36. Re: 500 yards
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
37. Re: Simulated bullet hits
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
38. Re: 500 yards
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
39. Re: 500 yards
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
    by "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
41. Re: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
    by Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
42. Re: Curtain Liner
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Re: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
    by Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
44. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
45. Powering Floats (Alternative?)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
46. Re: I cue symbol
    by "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
47. Re: How to ground a moving sound system
    by Dale Shirk <lists [at] shirkaudio.com>
48. Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
49. Re: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
50. Re: I cue symbol
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
51. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
52. Re: I cue symbol
    by "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
53. Asbestos Exposure
    by <sschepker [at] charter.net>
54. Re: dichroics - WOW
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
55. Re: Asbestos Exposure
    by "John Gibilisco" <johngib [at] cox.net>
56. Re: dichorics - WOW - solutions
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
57. Re: Asbestos Exposure
    by "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>
58. Re: How to ground a moving sound system
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
59. Re: dichroic filters - WOW
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
60. Re: dichroic filters - WOW
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
61. Re: laser measure
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
62. Re: Asbestos Exposure
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
63. Re: Maurices' Invention
    by "Hall Associates Flying Effects" <info [at] flyingfx.com>
64. Re: Intelligent Falling
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
65. Re: Asbestos Exposure
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>

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Message-ID: <b7318c480606090506n7f04b9a5n460b470cedb11f72 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:06:56 -0400
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
In-Reply-To: <list-30981528 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30978275 [at] prxy.net> <list-30978400 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-30979847 [at] prxy.net> <list-30981528 [at] prxy.net>

> So does the quote below mean that sparks are more intelligent than
> people or other objects?
>
> 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If
> gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with
> great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence
> governs all falling."

The article states that there is no such thing as "gravity" (as we
think of it). God (the "intelligent" in the title of the theory)
pushes most things down (Jesus, angels, and sparks being exceptions).
This got me to wondering why airplane can fly or scenery be flown?
Does God stop pushing them down?  Obviously, man cannot overcome God's
will to push things down - or can he? Maybe God wants plane and
scenery to fly.  But, I have seen some show where not even God would
have wanted to see that scenery fly.  No - this theory does not work
for me.

OK- back to rigging issues where I have to fight gravity, not God.

-Delbert
-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Intelligent Falling
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:17:17 -0400
Message-ID: <020f01c68bbe$a68cf2e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30993847 [at] prxy.net>



> God (the "intelligent" in the title of 
> the theory) pushes most things down (Jesus, angels, and 
> sparks being exceptions). This got me to wondering why 
> airplane can fly or scenery be flown?

...Because they Hate America.


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Subject: FW: Simulated bullet hits
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:55:39 -0500
Message-ID: <79EC830AA6FE144797DDB30DC498593804FEE8E2 [at] nsu-ex01.nsu.local>
From: "Wild, Larry" <wildl [at] northern.edu>

To StageCrafters...
thank you very much for all of your advise.... I really like the tube =
with the holes cut in it....sounds cheap and effective.... I bought a =
valve manifold on ebay.... I'll see what I can do with it when it gets =
here..... thanks again
Jerome Wild

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dorian=20
Kelly=20
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:08 AM=20
To: Stagecraft=20
Subject: Re: Simulated bullet hits=20


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>------------------------------------=20
Jerome Wild=20
Posted by dad=20
>Wildl [at] northern.edu=20
>I'm trying to build a computer controlled system of air valves to=20
>simulate bullet hits. I've seen some valve manifolds made by smc,=20
>but I don't know if they have a high enough presure rating to be=20
>very usefull. I'm guessing 30-40 psi would be suffiecient pressure.=20
>I'm also trying to build an air cannon using a sprinkler valve and a=20
>5 gallon air tank. Any help would be greatly appreicated.=20




Do you want a nice lo tec way?  I made a great machine gun fire line=20
of bullet hits once with a bit of  plastic tubing drilled at  6 inch=20
intervals and put a well greased wadding into the nearest end of it=20
and buried the lot under  some sand ( it was a desert)  and then gave=20
it a whoof of compressed air. The wadding moved down the tube like a=20
good-un and a lovely line of sand founts appeared one after the=20
other. The far end was out of shot=20
Dorian Kelly=20

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Message-ID: <4489779D.9070701 [at] lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:29:01 -0400
From: Heather Hillhouse-Deans <hjh2 [at] Lehigh.EDU>
Subject: Re: Technology Advances...revisited

Ok- so maybe these aren't truly new technology, but I'll throw them in 
the ring anyway.  In the last couple of years, video projections have 
come of age in theatre. Granted some people have been using them for a 
long time, but the last couple of years have really seen  the technology 
become accessible to a larger percentage of the industry.  On that note, 
the dicroic patterns and the "print it yourself" Image Pro have also 
really been making inroads.  I know there are lots of sound software and 
hardware advances, but I can't tell you what they are.  Laser measures 
are also making huge inroads.  Improved batteries for cordless tools are 
much improved.  Digital cameras- HUGE.  Major increases in computer 
technology in design- in all sorts of areas including drafting, 
rendering, communication, automation, portfolios and much more.

I think what other people have said is completely true- few of any of 
these things are really new technology in the last 2-3 years, the 
technological advances in that time frame are mostly taking advancing 
technology that already exists, discovering it within the industry, and 
figuring out how to use it to our advantage as soon as it becomes 
reasonably accessible. You may find things like LED fixtures that are 
truly new-ish technology, but all of those things take a while to really 
make any impact in the day to day operations, plus they really aren't 
new technology, they're just ideas that we are working towards 
discovering how to make them really useful to us.

I hope this helps-
Heather Hillhouse-Deans
Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center

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Subject: RE: Technology Advances...revisited
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:41:54 -0400
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B019AD3B5 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>


Jeff writes:
.....

Because of this, it takes a very, very long time for the latest
technology to make it's way down to the community, educational, and
certain the lower commercial/professional levels of theatre.

I might be speaking for a minority within this forum (those working
for theatres that are hard-up for cash), so please, take my comments
for what they are worth and consider the source.  I am a student
learning the craft, therefore, I have more exposure to theatres with
less cash and a desperate need for techs.  I cannot speak
intelligently on this topic regarding "professional theatre".

____________________________________________________

A lot of the problem is that even the people who run theaters (or
colleges, or corporations) define technology as computers and cell
phones and define stage lighting as hardware or power tools.  They
replace a computer because it is 2 years old, they replace a leko
because it is broken beyond repair.  I don't know how many little out of
the way theaters I've been in where the theater manager or artistic
director has a brand new laptop, but all the lighting is older than
anyone who works there. I finally won an argument here a couple years
ago, when I was able to demonstrate that an SL19 with a 575 watt lamp
that lasted 1500 hours would pay for itself in a couple years just on
cost of electricity and replacement lamps versus a 30 year old
instrument with a 750 watt lamp- the facts that we got more light out of
the SL, and it is lighter weight, and doesn't buzz as much, and the
pattern is more even were all bonuses that no one but me and my couple
tech students appreciated.

In our little academic theater, it is not so much a lack of money (the
local community here was very generous and voted a yearly capital
improvement millage for the college) but a lack of awareness on the part
of the powers-that-be.  I am writing this on the 4th computer to sit on
this desk in the last 7 years (must keep up with technology- it would
only be the 3rd, but one was damaged when the office was flooded).  I
will later go backstage to work on one of my summer projects- rebuilding
some HUB lekos and 8" fresnels that were purchased circa 1971.  The
lightboard was last replaced in 1989.  Oddly, at the time, they figured
it would have a 15 year life, but nobody actually PLANNED to replace it.


We have been successful in replacing most of those 70s era instruments
(the rebuilds are to save lekos with irises and fresnels with "oval"
lenses from the scrap heap).  The reason we were able to replace old
instruments was not that they were worn out (they were) or that we
couldn't get parts (we can't) but because they had "white" cords, and
the liability folks got worried about that.

Audio equipment has been easier to replace, since all the
"powers-that-be" want their own son or daughter to have a wireless when
they are onstage- which meant not only more wireless mics (the last time
I asked for 4 new ones, they gave me a budget for 8), but a bigger mixer
so we could plug all of them in, plus, of course, more monitors and amps
and then "why can't you add a little reverb..."

Well, I guess that is enough rant on my part...lol

Tom D.

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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606090646xe24a14bjcb5c0a8391f464f5 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Strike Cleanup

I gotta get me one of these for our next strike!

This would surely make trash removal, post-strike, much easier/quicker.
Just insert set, head directly to favorite watering hole!

http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/bmw.htm


-SS
TTS-EKU
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing
in a garage makes you a car."

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Message-ID: <000901c68bcb$4d430e60$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-30978275 [at] prxy.net> <list-30978400 [at] prxy.net> <list-30979847 [at] prxy.net> <list-30981528 [at] prxy.net> <list-30993847 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:47:51 -0700

> This got me to wondering why airplane can fly or scenery be flown?
> Does God stop pushing them down?

Nahh... I think God carries the planes.  Occasionally (s)He drops one, to 
make a point - high fuel prices, 3 peanuts to a bag, etc...  as for scenery, 
(s)He just sees Theatre as something not worthy of (His/Her) time and 
attention.

;)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Subject: RE: Strike Cleanup
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:53:34 -0400
Message-ID: <CA2E466B6CEC9B449481950C30F907E73A6521 [at] mvcc-newexch.mvcc.edu>
From: "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>

>>>> I gotta get me one of these for our next strike!<<<<

Is this where you tell your least favorite person to jump on top of it
to make it fit in there, and then hit the switch?

Mike Diederich

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Message-ID: <20060609135747.89851.qmail [at] web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Capital Campaign

It looks like I am about to become the Development
Manager for the capital campaign my community theatre
organization is beginning.  We need to build a
facility for set, prop and costume construction and
storage, and some rehearsal space.  If there is anyone
on the list who has been through a campaign in the
last few years, could you contact me off-list?  I
would like to know a couple of things, like:  What
proportion of the money raised was from Major Gifts,
from other gifts, from grants, from events, and so
forth?  How long did you actively run the campaign? 
How long were people allowed to pay off pledges?  

Thanks so much!

       Jacqueline Haney Kidwell

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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Last minute help before flying to UK for TEA conference
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:58:21 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPCEODDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30974015 [at] prxy.net>

Many of the bigger hotels, esp. the world franchise types, have at least one
US style 110/60Hz outlet.  In fact, last time that outlet wasn't working in
my room and they loaned me a largish transformer gratis. Call or e-mail the
hotel.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Ian
> Cunningham
> The NW-135C is the one you want  - the UK standard is the 13A BS1363
> plug/socket which pretty much universal (its very, very, very rare to
> find other sockets in a domestic setting)
>
> Its stating the obvious but the device will need to accept 240V 50Hz
> mains without going bang! And not need an earth.

> What type of power receptacle will I likely find in a modern London
> hotel?
> The 2 round pins (NW-4C) or the three flat blades (NW-135C) with 2 in
> line
> and one perpendicular?


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Strike Cleanup
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:58:41 -0400
Message-ID: <021d01c68bcc$d0864ed0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-30996434 [at] prxy.net>


Watching that video, I kept waiting for someone to run up, shouting, "Hey!
Wrong car!"


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606090658k41bec1a8k8443f4205a712c7f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:58:53 -0400
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Strike Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <list-30996434 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30996434 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Is this where you tell your least favorite person to jump on top
of it to make it fit in there, and then hit the switch?<<<<

LOL
:)-

Don't get me started.
If only!!

-SS
TTS-EKU
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing
in a garage makes you a car."

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:12:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Capital Campaign
Message-Id: <20060609.071314.28134.42293 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

Please remember that money collected during a capital campaign is =

often collected at the expense of loosing donations to the theatre's =

operational fund raising. You will make no friends if you cannibalize =

the donors that are hit yearly to pay for continuing operations. A =

nonprofit organization for which I am on the Board has not yet =

recovered from the impact of a recent $7+ million building campaign =

on our $21+ million yearly fundraising efforts.
/s/ Richard
_______________________________________

It looks like I am about to become the Development
Manager for the capital campaign my community theatre
organization is beginning.  We need to build a
facility for set, prop and costume construction and
storage, and some rehearsal space.  If there is anyone
on the list who has been through a campaign in the
last few years, could you contact me off-list?  I
would like to know a couple of things, like:  What
proportion of the money raised was from Major Gifts,
from other gifts, from grants, from events, and so
forth?  How long did you actively run the campaign? =

How long were people allowed to pay off pledges?  =


Thanks so much!

       Jacqueline Haney Kidwell

 


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:21:06 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Capital Campaign
In-reply-to: <list-30997038 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <448983D2.6090904 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-30997038 [at] prxy.net>

ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Please remember that money collected during a capital campaign is 
> often collected at the expense of loosing donations to the theatre's 
> operational fund raising. You will make no friends if you cannibalize 
> the donors that are hit yearly to pay for continuing operations. A 
> nonprofit organization for which I am on the Board has not yet 
> recovered from the impact of a recent $7+ million building campaign 
> on our $21+ million yearly fundraising efforts.

What Richard said is so important I didn't edit it.

The most important thing in a capital campaign is to establish a new 
pool of prospects.  We're about to publicly launch a campaign that has 
spent the past two years "silently" developing a pool of potential 
donors.  Not only does this avoid disturbing your operational donors, 
but it introduces your theatre to a wider audience who can become 
regular donors and audience after the campaign is over.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College, Theatre Arts
607.274.3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Intelligent Falling
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:24:33 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPAEOFDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30996327 [at] prxy.net>

Oh yeah, now US Airways have even stopped the peanuts due to liability for
peanut allergies of the guy sitting near you when you rip (BTW, is there an
easy way to rip those plastic containers built for the millennium?) open a
minuscule bag.

Don't think this is real informative,  but it let me get my rant going.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jon Ares
>
> > This got me to wondering why airplane can fly or scenery be flown?
> > Does God stop pushing them down?
>
> Nahh... I think God carries the planes.  Occasionally (s)He drops one, to
> make a point - high fuel prices, 3 peanuts to a bag,
>


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Message-ID: <e91d76400606090802i2bb11f3cwc08294be29ddaf97 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:02:57 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
In-Reply-To: <list-30987708 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30987708 [at] prxy.net>

You could use an AC inverter, although for more than 200 watts you
usually have to connect directly to the battery. They also get pretty
pricey. From the sounds of it, a generator is probably the best way
for you to go unless the generator makes too much noise.

On 6/9/06, Jeffrey Mulvey <mulvey.tech [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> If one wasn't to use a generator, but get the power from the truck
> pulling the float (via the cigarette lighter), would that be better?
>
> Would the power be "cleaner"?
> Would it be able to power more equipment or less equipment?  (Compared
> to a low-to-middle-end generator)
> What would it require?  (an adapter of some sort?)
> Would it pose more or less of a threat of damaging the equipment?
>
> Thanks again for all the collective help/toughts/teaching/information.
> Jeff Mulvey
>

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From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Cc: chip.wood [at] ieee.org
Subject: RE: Anaphylactic Falling (was Intelligent Falling)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:13:42 -0400
Message-ID: <017f01c68bd7$4bcacfd0$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866>
In-Reply-To: <list-30997364 [at] prxy.net>

> Oh yeah, now US Airways have even stopped the peanuts due to 
> liability for peanut allergies of the guy sitting near you

And one of those guys is me.  A few years ago I suffered a near-death
anaphylactic shock when all 150+ other passengers in a plane opened a bag of
peanuts within a short time.  I have harbored a very real fear of flying
ever since.  Whenever the little bags of "whatever" come out, I wonder if
they're going to be peanuts.

An Epipen (the most effective remedy for anaphylasix) costs me $200 to
purchase, expires in 3 to 6 months.  I've never used one, despite having
purchased many.  So I carry a bottle of Benedryl and hope (a) I see the
allergen coming in time to take the pills early, or (b) survive while they
take time to kick in.

A peanut allergy is not a minor inconvenience; it is serious.  And it's not
just about kids.

Jim
RC4 Wireless


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Message-ID: <20060609151703.92802.qmail [at] web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Capital Campaign
In-Reply-To: <list-30997189 [at] prxy.net>

This particular organization does not solicit
donations to any significant degree, and has never
done any serious fundraising.  No grants, no program
ads, no sponsorships.  Just a perfunctory Friends,
Very Good Friends set-up, which is mostly about the
tickets anyway.  Our problem is not going to be
overtapping the donor pool.  I'd just like to start
with some approximate proportions for goal-setting. 
We are looking at a need of about $600,000.

     Jacki


> ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote:
 
> > Please remember that money collected during a
> capital campaign is 
> > often collected at the expense of loosing
> donations to the theatre's 
> > operational fund raising. 

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

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From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Cc: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Subject: RE: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:20:40 -0400
Message-ID: <018001c68bd8$44a2e200$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866>
In-Reply-To: <list-30998609 [at] prxy.net>

I've been watching the prices of 120V true-sine-wave inverters.  Cost is
falling rapidly, and the output is very high quality.  

A large truck may have a 24V electrical system, rather than 12V.  This makes
things quite a bit easier by halving the input current required for a given
output wattage (since the input voltage is doubled).  And efficiencies are
higher also, so you get more of the power at the output, less lost to heat.
But you will definitely need to cable onto the battery, not use the
cigarette lighter.

Here's a 1500W model, sine wave, two 120V receptacles, available in 12V or
24V:
http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/puresine_1500.html

There's lots of other stuff out there too.

Jim
RC4 Wireless

 
> You could use an AC inverter, although for more than 200 
> watts you usually have to connect directly to the battery. 
> They also get pretty pricey. 


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Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:27:15 -0400
Message-ID: <ACFA10FE4417DD45B257D423384D03EE0D8C41 [at] ecexch1.etown.edu>
From: "Fritz, Barry L" <fritzbl [at] etown.edu>

Bill,=20
=20
Where are you getting gobo sized dichroics?  Other than the textured and =
multi-colored dichroics, everything that I've seen in catalogs has been =
for the larger gel frame filters.  One company did say they would sell =
them but that they would be a special order and cost more than the gel =
frame sized dichroics.
=20
Barry

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> own names)    but are you putting the colour in the gate where the
> iris goes rather than the front slot? Is that kosher?  Dichroics work
> by reflecting back all the unwanted frequencies which is why they
> look so interestingly different from each side. What about all the
> reflected heat being kicked back into the lamphouse? How long is that
> filter going to last?  I know that a bit big enough to fit a front
> slot is likely to be really expensive.

I believe that the filters are being placed in the iris slot. A better
position would be the pattern slot - as it is closer to the gate. It =
also
is probably a tighter fit - so it keeps the filter aligned better. When
you tilt a dichroic filter, the passband shifts.

Fortunately, we do not have the passband needs of the astronomical
community. The good hydrogen alpha filters are very narrow band, and =
have
tuning for the filter angle as well as requiring temperature control. A
good one costs several thousand dollars.

The dichroic might produce the same color from either side (depending on
how the layers were applied) - but the proper way to install it is with
the dichroic surface towards the lamp. This keeps any unwanted =
heat/light
from passing through the glass substrate. The filter does not get as =
hot,
so it lasts longer. There is also less color shift from heat expansion.

Dichroics are really nice for fairly saturated colors. No more replacing
your blue gels after every few performances when using a "hot center" =
lamp
focus.

Bill






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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:48:29 -0400
Subject: Doing other people's art
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <C0AF108D.2A02%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
In-Reply-To: <rzXpYZnZx00000b29 [at] dragonfly.middlebury.edu>

>Clive Mitchell wrote:

>Personally I disapprove of that.  If the artist didn't make it
>themselves then it's not their art.  I get asked to build other peoples
>"art" all the time and tend to refuse.

Don't people such as those on this list do this all the time,
professionally, when they get the design for a
production/exhibit/show/play/etc., then price and build it?  It's the
designers' names on the poster, not the crew members' or TD's.  That's the
business we're in.

Naturally there are plenty of people on this list that wear both hats
(designer and TD/ME/etc.), for whom this doesn't directly apply.  Or is the
point that theatrical design isn't art?

<Ducking, running, donning disguise>.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College





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Message-ID: <00c601c68bdc$becd0110$1401a8c0 [at] chris>
Reply-To: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
From: "chrisharris25" <chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net>
References: <list-30998878 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Falling (was Intelligent Falling)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:42 -0400

Jim wrote:
> An Epipen (the most effective remedy for anaphylasix) costs me $200 to
> purchase, expires in 3 to 6 months.  I've never used one, despite having
> purchased many.  So I carry a bottle of Benedryl and hope (a) I see the
> allergen coming in time to take the pills early, or (b) survive while they
> take time to kick in.


Jim,
I too have an allergic response although mine centers around sesame. This is 
much easier (mostly) to avoid than peanuts but  I have to keep a sharp eye 
on packaging. My allergist suggested carrying Claritin Redi-Tabs as they 
quickly dissolve on the tongue, a more instantly available counteractive 
than the Benedryl. I was instructed to take them as soon as I became aware 
of the start of the problem. While there's no bigger hammer to manage the 
onset of anaphylactic reaction than the Epipen, the Redi-Tabs will get a 
jump start. As always, you should check with a doctor (allergist), don't 
just take my word!

Chris Harris
Sapsis Rigging Inc. 



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606090931o31a57409kcb9cca6e5c41c027 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:31:43 -0400
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
In-Reply-To: <list-30997364 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30996327 [at] prxy.net> <list-30997364 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Oh yeah, now US Airways have even stopped the peanuts due to liability for
peanut allergies of the guy sitting near you when you rip (BTW, is there an
easy way to rip those plastic containers built for the millennium?) open a
minuscule bag.<<<<


Oh, it isn't just US Air. Several airlines are doing away with
complimentary "snacks" all together. They'll sell you some concoction
of things referred to as "trail mix" or what have you (and it isn't
even real trail mix!), for a couple of bucks.

Puuuuhleeeasze!


-SS
TTS-EKU
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing
in a garage makes you a car."

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Message-ID: <2568.205.215.255.181.1149871268.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30971773 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30937919 [at] prxy.net> <list-30951055 [at] prxy.net>
    <list-30970945 [at] prxy.net> <list-30971773 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> So, what is the code/method of grounding the generator on the float?

How much power do you need? If it is only for a couple of speakers, then
you should be able to survive using the truck's alternator.

Or, use a 12 DC generator, which I don't think needs an earth ground for
safety. You most likely would need to tie the generator frame to the
vehicle frame - and make sure that the hot lead is fused.

Use a DC powered amp and small DC mixer and you are all set.

Bill




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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:47:58 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system
In-reply-to: <list-31000933 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060609094301.01f3e5b8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-30937919 [at] prxy.net> <list-30951055 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30970945 [at] prxy.net> <list-30971773 [at] prxy.net> <list-31000933 [at] prxy.net>

Since I've often seen petrol-powered welders used as generators, I'm 
not sure how you'd ground them.  Sometimes they're mounted to the 
truck, sometimes on a trailer.  In any case, when you're welding or 
using power with an extension cord, do these need a ground stake when 
they're not moving?

The steel company my wife used to work for had a welder on their 
truck that they used for installing fence/gates/etc. and also used 
for general power.  They never had a ground stake, for one thing they 
had to keep moving the truck as each piece of fence was put in place.

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <2596.205.215.255.181.1149872240.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30984523 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30976658 [at] prxy.net> <list-30984523 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: laser measure
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Laser measurement is so accurate that surveyors use them and have for many
> years.  Sure beats calibrating metal tape measures!

True. But does the Stanley unit use true time delay measurement, or does
it simply go by the measured angle?

Bill


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Message-ID: <2632.205.215.255.181.1149874066.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-30999153 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30999153 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Where are you getting gobo sized dichroics?  Other than the textured and
> multi-colored dichroics, everything that I've seen in catalogs has been
> for the larger gel frame filters.  One company did say they would sell
> them but that they would be a special order and cost more than the gel
> frame sized dichroics.

They might be special order, I don't know. The houses where I work cannot
afford any at all.

Special orders are expensive if you only need a few. If you are getting
dozens, such as for a wash, the price/unit is much more reasonable.

Try contacting GAM, Rosco and Lee directly and see what they have to say.

Bill


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From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" <jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu>
Subject: RE: Maurices' Invention
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0500
Message-ID: <001001c68bee$67bc2a60$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root>
In-reply-to: <list-30937150 [at] prxy.net>

I did B&B recently and we built it. Something of a cantankerous wheelbarrow
embellished with "junk" from the prop room. Easy enough if you have a
craftsman with the time to get creative. But you asked about rental... We
rented costumes from Missoula Children's Theatre <http://www.mctinc.org>;
they may have this item as well. Also, I seem to recall Tracy Nunnally (a
fellow lister) as having some items from this show for rent, but my memory
is foggy. Perhaps he will chime in. 

Justin Bennett
Technical Director / Theatre Manager
St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center
jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu
(210) 531-4706 Office
(210) 531-4768 Fax
 

-----Original Message-----

>Has anybody out there done Beauty and the Beast
>lately?  I'm trying to find Maurices Invention 



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Message-ID: <011501c68bef$492da2d0$5968ff0a [at] Klyphsmachine>
From: "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
Subject: I cue symbol
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:05:26 -0400

Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?

I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.

TIA,

Klyph

"Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
Georges Seurat

Klyph Stanford
336.575.7235
www.klyph-stanford-designs.net


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: I cue symbol
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:09:56 -0400
Message-ID: <023301c68bef$eab76550$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-31002894 [at] prxy.net>

I have one that I use for the I-Cue and the Ellip-Scan:

http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/articles.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klyph Stanford [mailto:klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net] 
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:05 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: I cue symbol
> 
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?
> 
> I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Klyph
> 
> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
> Georges Seurat
> 
> Klyph Stanford
> 336.575.7235
> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net
> 
> 
> 


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From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill')
Subject: RE: 500 yards
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:21 -0400
Message-ID: <004401c68bf1$16f4a9b0$4dbb85cd [at] cms100384>
In-Reply-To: <list-30966912 [at] prxy.net>

Ummmm, I guess I've missed some things.  Anyway, a Marine with an M-16
qualifies at least once a year.  Even for the worst shot in the Corps, that
qualification includes shooting (ten rounds, IIRC) from the prone position
at 500 yards. Ooohrah and Semper Fi, Mac.

Jerry
(Corporal(e-4), 1833, 1981-1985)

G. D. George
Assistant Professor and Technical Director
Capital University Theatre
Department of Communications
1 College and Main
Columbus, OH 43209

(614) 236-6498
ggeorge [at] capital.edu	

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E.
Merrill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: 500 yards

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Howdy !

Thursday, June 8, 2006, Richard wolpert wrote:

> [A Marine with] An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the
> prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull (about a silver
> dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis.

Shriveling into a fetal position in the dark recesses of my cave....

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03
mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   





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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:20:55 -0400
Subject: Re: I cue symbol
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C0AF3447.CC3E%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31002894 [at] prxy.net>

Completely shameless self-promotion and full disclosure:

The i-cue (and many other vw symbols) are available as part of the
softsymbols package at my website www.fieldtemplate.com

There are downloadable software packages for vw version 10, 11, and 12.
Reduced price for upgrades or promotions in the past year.

shelley

On 6/9/06 2:05 PM, "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?
> 
> I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Klyph
> 
> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
> Georges Seurat
> 
> Klyph Stanford
> 336.575.7235
> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
Ltg & Scenic Coordinator
Spoleto Festival USA
(843) 720-1140 prod office
(843) 724-1195 fax
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.spoletousa.org
Www.fieldtemplate.com



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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:01:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
From: rr account <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C0AF3DD8.1B6%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-31000675 [at] prxy.net>

> They'll sell you some concoction
> of things referred to as "trail mix" or what have you (and it isn't
> even real trail mix!), for a couple of bucks.
> 
> Puuuuhleeeasze!

Speaking as a backpacker, "Trail mix" could be any number of concoctions.
Every hiker I know has their own favorite recipe for trail mix. So what
definition are you using for "Real" trail mix?

Bruce

-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
The Smith Opera House


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 500 yards
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0AF4459.CB03%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-31003298 [at] prxy.net>

Unless the Marines are different from the Army,
I believe that 300 yards in the max on ranges
for an M-16.  I last fired in 2003 during Operation
Iraqi Freedom prep.  Their accuracy at 500 yards is
questionable.

steve

> From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:21 -0400
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill')
> Subject: Re: 500 yards
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ummmm, I guess I've missed some things.  Anyway, a Marine with an M-16
> qualifies at least once a year.  Even for the worst shot in the Corps, that
> qualification includes shooting (ten rounds, IIRC) from the prone position
> at 500 yards. Ooohrah and Semper Fi, Mac.
> 
> Jerry
> (Corporal(e-4), 1833, 1981-1985)
> 
> G. D. George
> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
> Capital University Theatre
> Department of Communications
> 1 College and Main
> Columbus, OH 43209
> 
> (614) 236-6498
> ggeorge [at] capital.edu 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E.
> Merrill
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:46 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: 500 yards
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Howdy !
> 
> Thursday, June 8, 2006, Richard wolpert wrote:
> 
>> [A Marine with] An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the
>> prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull (about a silver
>> dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis.
> 
> Shriveling into a fetal position in the dark recesses of my cave....
> 
> Best regards,
> Frank E. Merrill
> MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
> Indianapolis
> Established 1946
> www.merrillstage.com
> 
> Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03
> mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: RE: Capital Campaign
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:34:08 -0400
Message-ID: <F9E613F2DD66A645B6BD1423FA0EEC322B3998 [at] exchangeb3.ad.fredonia.edu>
From: <Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu>

There is an adage in the development arena known as "the rule of
thirds".  Loosely it means that you will get 1/3 of your total donations
from the first 10  largest  contributor, the second 1/3 will come from
the next 100 largest contributors and the final third will come from all
the rest of the donors.  By that rule of thumb, you are looking for
about 10 contributors averaging $20K, 100 or so averaging $2K, and then
a whole mess of folks with donations ranging from as little as $25.00 on
up.  I have no idea how large your donor base is or how much disposable
wealth they have but that is a quick breakdown of what you might expect.


If you are a real neophyte at this process, it might be worth your (the
organization's )time and $$ to hire a professional fund raising
consultant for the process.=20

Our department is in the midst of meeting a matching grant to fund
scholarships and some equipment through the university foundation.  Our
kick is only $75K to get $150K total.  We are still in the "quiet phase"
where the ask has gone only to our high end benefactors over the past
six months.  The public part will start in August and we should be
concluded by January.  The quiet portion has gotten us nearly to our
goal even before we do the ask to the public.  We should have asked for
a larger matching grant but we can and will continue to take
contributions even past the stated goal.

Interestingly, we have not detracted from the foundation's overall take
at all. =20

HTH.

Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
Jacqueline Haney Kidwell
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:58 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Capital Campaign

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

It looks like I am about to become the Development Manager for the
capital campaign my community theatre organization is beginning.  We
need to build a facility for set, prop and costume construction and
storage, and some rehearsal space.  If there is anyone on the list who
has been through a campaign in the last few years, could you contact me
off-list?  I would like to know a couple of things, like:  What
proportion of the money raised was from Major Gifts, from other gifts,
from grants, from events, and so forth?  How long did you actively run
the campaign?=20
How long were people allowed to pay off pledges? =20

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: 500 yards
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:43:21 -0400
Message-ID: <024601c68bfc$f73b0ea0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-31005427 [at] prxy.net>



> Unless the Marines are different from the Army,

Something tells me you'll regret opening *that* door....


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609131548.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:15:48
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Simulated bullet hits

>Do you want a nice lo tec way?

Load a bunch of empty paintball capsules with dust, or sand, and fire at
teh target from a hidden parallel.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609132407.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:24:07
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: 500 yards

>extreme center to center of shots was just over 3
>inches.  

at fifteen hundred feet, a half a degree of deflection would be an inch and
a half in either direction, making the group three inches wide, n'est ce
pas?  IIR my marksmanship/sniper training C, one inch over five hundred
feet is one degree of deflection, which would be three inches over fifteen
hundred feet, which would give me a six inch group.  Half of that would be
a three inch group?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609132800.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:28:00
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: 500 yards

>The fact that this
>shooter was a sniper means he might have been using a Remington 700 - an
>even more accurate weapon.

...and a scope.  Very seldom will a sniper take the shot at 1500' without
it.  I'm gonna guess that he had it on the rifle, and I'm gonna have to see
a 3" group at 1500' *without* a scope before I'm buying it. Pima Mine Road,
Mike? Or is there someplace closer to your house?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
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Reply-To: <chip.wood [at] ieee.org>
From: "chip.a.wood" <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:23:19 -0700
Message-ID: <BDEPLAABBMODPEGKLIAPOEOHDAAA.chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-30999020 [at] prxy.net>

Actually the next jump in automobile voltage will be to 42V.  They need it
to power all the electronics on board and lower the weight of the wiring
harness.
They are testing it now.  The major drawback is that mechanics
(electronicks) may be killed if they foul up.  Lightening bolts, anyone?
Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jim at
>
> I've been watching the prices of 120V true-sine-wave inverters.  Cost is
> falling rapidly, and the output is very high quality.
>
> A large truck may have a 24V electrical system, rather than 12V.
> This makes
> things quite a bit easier by halving the input current required
> for a given
> output wattage (since the input voltage is doubled).


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:25:09 -0400
From: Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
In-reply-to: <list-31005427 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <KIEIJNECPAAGNDKNCFBHMEKLGCAA.richw [at] unionconnector.com>

Comment on "Unless the Marines are different from the Army" ? - Nah...
that's too easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.(rimshot)

I can't speak for the current weapons standards as I was trained on the M-14
and never had to qualify with a Mattel. That rifle is useful out to 1,000
yds. without any real fine tuning. A match grade in the hands of an Expert
is good out to around 1,500 yds.

Richard A.Wolpert
President
Union Connector Co., Inc.
40 Dale Street
West Babylon, NY  11704
Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204
Fx: 631-753-9560
richw [at] unionconnector.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve Larson
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:29 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: 500 yards

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Unless the Marines are different from the Army,
I believe that 300 yards in the max on ranges
for an M-16.  I last fired in 2003 during Operation
Iraqi Freedom prep.  Their accuracy at 500 yards is
questionable.

steve

> From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:21 -0400
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill')
> Subject: Re: 500 yards
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Ummmm, I guess I've missed some things.  Anyway, a Marine with an M-16
> qualifies at least once a year.  Even for the worst shot in the Corps,
that
> qualification includes shooting (ten rounds, IIRC) from the prone position
> at 500 yards. Ooohrah and Semper Fi, Mac.
>
> Jerry
> (Corporal(e-4), 1833, 1981-1985)
>
> G. D. George
> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
> Capital University Theatre
> Department of Communications
> 1 College and Main
> Columbus, OH 43209
>
> (614) 236-6498
> ggeorge [at] capital.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E.
> Merrill
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:46 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: 500 yards
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Howdy !
>
> Thursday, June 8, 2006, Richard wolpert wrote:
>
>> [A Marine with] An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the
>> prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull (about a silver
>> dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis.
>
> Shriveling into a fetal position in the dark recesses of my cave....
>
> Best regards,
> Frank E. Merrill
> MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
> Indianapolis
> Established 1946
> www.merrillstage.com
>
> Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03
> mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609133711.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:37:11
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Curtain Liner

>No matter how far they traveled to get there, when they arrived, they were
>no more than halfway around the world.
> 
>> Now, that's not quite true.  My bags have travelled more'n 
>> half teh distance of the circumfrence of the globe to 
>> 'accompany' me to the UK on occasion,

The original phrase was, "Well, it wouldn't be possible to ship them
farther without involving NASA...."  You could ship them farther than half
the circumfrence of the globe easily.  To get them farther away than the
diameter fo the globe at any given point on that extensive route, would,
I'll grant you, require the assistance of some government or one
experimental entrepreneur.  It still remains possible to ship them farther
than half-way 'round the world.
Purely a semantical point, but "It would be impossible to ship them to *a
point that is* farther away than half-way 'round the world" would be
semantically correct.
I think.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:29:25 -0400
From: Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
In-reply-to: <list-31006780 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <KIEIJNECPAAGNDKNCFBHKEKMGCAA.richw [at] unionconnector.com>

You're correct. 3" at that range without a scope would be lucky. At 1,000
yds. it's not uncommon on a range.

Richard A.Wolpert
President
Union Connector Co., Inc.
40 Dale Street
West Babylon, NY  11704
Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204
Fx: 631-753-9560
richw [at] unionconnector.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of CB
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: 500 yards

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

>The fact that this
>shooter was a sniper means he might have been using a Remington 700 - an
>even more accurate weapon.

...and a scope.  Very seldom will a sniper take the shot at 1500' without
it.  I'm gonna guess that he had it on the rifle, and I'm gonna have to see
a 3" group at 1500' *without* a scope before I'm buying it. Pima Mine Road,
Mike? Or is there someplace closer to your house?
                                Chris "Chris" Babbie
                                Location Sound
                                MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609134423.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:44:23
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling

>One of my favourite sayings:
>
>Gravity: Not just a good idea, IT'S THE LAW

Usually right after some fellow stagehand has dropped something: from a
high place, like the grid; valuable and fragile; heavy and noisy; personal
and painful.  Includes 'himself'.
Or as I like to say (when discovered in one of the above situations), "I
was fine and then a sudden gust of gravity over took it."
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060609135909.00c04c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:59:09
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Powering Floats (Alternative?)

>If one wasn't to use a generator, but get the power from the truck
>pulling the float (via the cigarette lighter), would that be better?
If the truck could make enough power to move *and* drive the amp, yes. In
the end, the gear is making DC to burn anyways, so starting out as DC isn't
going to be an issue.

>Would the power be "cleaner"?
Probably.

>Would it be able to power more equipment or less equipment?  (Compared
>to a low-to-middle-end generator)
Probably less power. as far as how much equipment that depends on how you
use it.

>What would it require?  (an adapter of some sort?)
Anything that already runs on wall warts just needs the same plug as the
end on the wall wart for 12V requirements, and the end and some diodes in
series or a voltage regulator for smaller voltages.  Anything that has an
internal PS, and that you are unwilling or unable to attempt to bypass,
(I've looked at Mackies, don't even think abut it...) you could use and
inverter. Truckstops and car audio places will have oodles of 'em.

>Would it pose more or less of a threat of damaging the equipment?
I'd say it was about equal.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

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From: "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: I cue symbol
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:55:01 -0400
Message-ID: <001901c68c06$f9c27140$180aa8c0 [at] ftoffice.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-31003390 [at] prxy.net>

That's ok Steve, we all know you have no shame....:-)

Sam Fisher
General Manager / VP 
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
410-487-0100 office
410-487-0090 fax
 
All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to be
treated as Confidential. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Shelley
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:21 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: I cue symbol

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Completely shameless self-promotion and full disclosure:

The i-cue (and many other vw symbols) are available as part of the
softsymbols package at my website www.fieldtemplate.com

There are downloadable software packages for vw version 10, 11, and 12.
Reduced price for upgrades or promotions in the past year.

shelley

On 6/9/06 2:05 PM, "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?
> 
> I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Klyph
> 
> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
> Georges Seurat
> 
> Klyph Stanford
> 336.575.7235
> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
Ltg & Scenic Coordinator
Spoleto Festival USA
(843) 720-1140 prod office
(843) 724-1195 fax
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.spoletousa.org
Www.fieldtemplate.com





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Message-ID: <4489E115.6040808 [at] shirkaudio.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:59:01 -0400
From: Dale Shirk <lists [at] shirkaudio.com>
Reply-To:  daleshirk [at] shirkaudio.com
Organization: Shirk Audio & Acoustics
Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system
References: <list-30937919 [at] prxy.net> <list-30951055 [at] prxy.net> <list-30970945 [at] prxy.net> <list-30971773 [at] prxy.net> <list-31000933 [at] prxy.net> <list-31001132 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31001132 [at] prxy.net>

You ground it the same way you ground an airplane.

You don't.

There is nothing sacred about dirt, that requires some sort of homage be 
paid to it to appease the gods of electricity. The reason stationary 
power distribution is referenced to dirt is because lightning is 
referenced to dirt, and because the power plant that generates the power 
is referenced to dirt.

The barefoot guy shutting off the power on the floating float generator 
is safe because there is no probable method for the generator to 
complete a circuit through him to the ground. It takes two conductors to 
make a circuit. Dude is one, there is no other. Now if the electrical 
equipment, say a microphone stand, is placed on the ground, then there 
is a potential path, if a lot of things go wrong at the same time.

Grounding is all about what happens in the event of a fault. Green or 
bare wires in AC wiring (USA) are there to provide a sufficiently low 
impedance path that a fault will cause a breaker to trip.

Yes, always firmly ground your stationary generator. That's because 
there are plenty of fault scenarios that can send Hot AC into the dirt. 
On a parade float a fault scenerio that would send AC hot into the dirt 
is almost unimaginable. There are plenty of fault scenarios that can 
send AC hot into the wagon chassis, so it needs to be groun....., nay, 
connected to a non-current-carrying conductor back to the generator's 
reference, it's chassis. This fault on the float will not shock a person 
touching the wagon and Terra firma. It will shock a person touching the 
wagon and some other piece of electrical equipment on it.

Dale Shirk
Shirk Audio & Acoustics
Terre Hill, Pa.


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:04:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Powering Floats (Alternative?)
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <C0AF5AA3.1841%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-31007425 [at] prxy.net>

Educated (not expert) guess:

Grounding to the vehicle chassis should suffice for using a portable
generator onboard a moving vehicle. I have no idea what regulations may or
may not be but... I am sure someone somewhere has something official to say
about it as there are hundreds of thousands of tour-buses, semi-trucks and
Motor coaches out there with on-board generators. NTSB maybe? Who writes the
rules for building cars n trucks n such?

-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:04:45 -0400
Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C0AF5AAD.CB15%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-31006897 [at] prxy.net>

I'm not comparing training, ability or any of that.
I'm simply saying that when I trained originally
(boot camp) on an M-14, the furthest target was
300 yards and everytime I trained on a full range
with the M-16, it was 300 yards.

I have attended military training with Marines,
Navy, Air Force, Danish Air Force, Greek Army,
and the German Army.  I'll never compare any of
these groups in public.

Steve

> From: Richard Wolpert <richw [at] unionconnector.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:25:09 -0400
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW:  Re: 500 yards
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Comment on "Unless the Marines are different from the Army" ? - Nah...
> that's too easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.(rimshot)
> 
> I can't speak for the current weapons standards as I was trained on the M-14
> and never had to qualify with a Mattel. That rifle is useful out to 1,000
> yds. without any real fine tuning. A match grade in the hands of an Expert
> is good out to around 1,500 yds.
> 
> Richard A.Wolpert
> President
> Union Connector Co., Inc.
> 40 Dale Street
> West Babylon, NY  11704
> Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204
> Fx: 631-753-9560
> richw [at] unionconnector.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve Larson
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: 500 yards
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Unless the Marines are different from the Army,
> I believe that 300 yards in the max on ranges
> for an M-16.  I last fired in 2003 during Operation
> Iraqi Freedom prep.  Their accuracy at 500 yards is
> questionable.
> 
> steve
> 
>> From: "G. D. George" <ggeorge [at] capital.edu>
>> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:21 -0400
>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill')
>> Subject: Re: 500 yards
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Ummmm, I guess I've missed some things.  Anyway, a Marine with an M-16
>> qualifies at least once a year.  Even for the worst shot in the Corps,
> that
>> qualification includes shooting (ten rounds, IIRC) from the prone position
>> at 500 yards. Ooohrah and Semper Fi, Mac.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> (Corporal(e-4), 1833, 1981-1985)
>> 
>> G. D. George
>> Assistant Professor and Technical Director
>> Capital University Theatre
>> Department of Communications
>> 1 College and Main
>> Columbus, OH 43209
>> 
>> (614) 236-6498
>> ggeorge [at] capital.edu
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E.
>> Merrill
>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:46 PM
>> To: Stagecraft
>> Subject: Re: 500 yards
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Howdy !
>> 
>> Thursday, June 8, 2006, Richard wolpert wrote:
>> 
>>> [A Marine with] An M-14 with iron sights when "snapped-in" in the
>>> prone or sitting position can hit the X in the Bull (about a silver
>>> dollar sized area ) on a consistent basis.
>> 
>> Shriveling into a fetal position in the dark recesses of my cave....
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Frank E. Merrill
>> MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
>> Indianapolis
>> Established 1946
>> www.merrillstage.com
>> 
>> Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03
>> mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:16:39 -0400
Subject: Re: I cue symbol
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C0AF5D77.CC6D%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31007526 [at] prxy.net>

Hey. 

Duckboy...

On 6/9/06 4:55 PM, "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> That's ok Steve, we all know you have no shame....:-)
> 
> Sam Fisher
> General Manager / VP
> Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
> 410-487-0100 office
> 410-487-0090 fax
> 
> All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to be
> treated as Confidential.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
> Shelley
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: I cue symbol
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Completely shameless self-promotion and full disclosure:
> 
> The i-cue (and many other vw symbols) are available as part of the
> softsymbols package at my website www.fieldtemplate.com
> 
> There are downloadable software packages for vw version 10, 11, and 12.
> Reduced price for upgrades or promotions in the past year.
> 
> shelley
> 
> On 6/9/06 2:05 PM, "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?
>> 
>> I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Klyph
>> 
>> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
>> Georges Seurat
>> 
>> Klyph Stanford
>> 336.575.7235
>> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net
>> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
Ltg & Scenic Coordinator
Spoleto Festival USA
(843) 720-1140 prod office
(843) 724-1195 fax
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.spoletousa.org
Www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <e91d76400606091424q747c4773p4c7d39232dded238 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:24:12 -0700
From: NODEraser <noderaser [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com
Cc: chip.wood [at] ieee.org
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
In-Reply-To: <list-30997364 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-30996327 [at] prxy.net> <list-30997364 [at] prxy.net>

On 6/9/06, chip.a.wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh yeah, now US Airways have even stopped the peanuts due to liability for
> peanut allergies of the guy sitting near you when you rip (BTW, is there an
> easy way to rip those plastic containers built for the millennium?) open a
> minuscule bag.
>
> Don't think this is real informative,  but it let me get my rant going.
>
> Chip
>

On my last flight via Northwest (August 2006), they only offered
complimentary beverages (soda, water, tea, coffee) and made you pay
for a box of snacks.

------------------------------

From: "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: I cue symbol
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:26:46 -0400
Message-ID: <001b01c68c0b$69930710$180aa8c0 [at] ftoffice.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-31008033 [at] prxy.net>

Not, duckboy, duckgirl's better half...get it right.

Sam Fisher
General Manager / VP 
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
410-487-0100 office
410-487-0090 fax
 
All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to be
treated as Confidential. 

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Shelley
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:17 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: I cue symbol

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Hey. 

Duckboy...

On 6/9/06 4:55 PM, "Sam Fisher" <Sam [at] FisherTheatrical.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> That's ok Steve, we all know you have no shame....:-)
> 
> Sam Fisher
> General Manager / VP
> Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
> 410-487-0100 office
> 410-487-0090 fax
> 
> All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to
be
> treated as Confidential.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
> Shelley
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: I cue symbol
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Completely shameless self-promotion and full disclosure:
> 
> The i-cue (and many other vw symbols) are available as part of the
> softsymbols package at my website www.fieldtemplate.com
> 
> There are downloadable software packages for vw version 10, 11, and 12.
> Reduced price for upgrades or promotions in the past year.
> 
> shelley
> 
> On 6/9/06 2:05 PM, "Klyph Stanford" <klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Anyone have a VW symbol for a Rosco I-cue?
>> 
>> I tried to check the archives, but it was being cantankerous.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Klyph
>> 
>> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
>> Georges Seurat
>> 
>> Klyph Stanford
>> 336.575.7235
>> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net
>> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
Ltg & Scenic Coordinator
Spoleto Festival USA
(843) 720-1140 prod office
(843) 724-1195 fax
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.spoletousa.org
Www.fieldtemplate.com





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Message-ID: <708451817.1149889212189.JavaMail.root [at] fepweb06>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:40:12 -0700
From: <sschepker [at] charter.net>
Subject: Asbestos Exposure

Greetings,
I just discovered, from our campus safety officer, that a pipe on the back wall of my theatre is insulated with asbestos .  A batten has been bouncing off it and releasing particles in the air.  The theatre was built in 30's and the rigging was updated in 1997, causing the pipe to be compromised.  We have recently noticed a pile of white powder accumaulting below the soft goods (October '05).  They are currently removing the asbestos from the pipe.

1.  What should  I do to protect myself?

2.  What should I tell my crew?

3.  Who should be notified?

4.  What is my next step?

I realize that I have not given enough information, but I know nothing about asbestos or asbestos exposure.

Thanks,
Steve Schepker
Associate Professor
Southeastern Louisiana University

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Subject: re: dichroics - WOW
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:14:34 -0700
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E6092999C8 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

[\replying to several emails in one\]

Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>> I purchased the Iris slot holders, so I could keep the option of =
using
>> them

>Are you sure you got the right holders? It doesn't sound like you have =
the
>right ones. Make sure they were not the ones for the S4 Junior.

Yes, as far as I trust my salesman.  Jr's take a really different size, =
don't they?  These are close enough to fit, just really sloppy.

>> They allow a lot of light spill out of the top,=20

>Is the light coming out the iris slot or the pattern slot? If the iris
>slot, what happens if you rotate the holder 180 degrees. Of course, you
>would have to rotate the dichro filter as well. Remember that the =
dichroic
>surface goes towards the light.

Yep. the light is coming from the iris slot, with the lid closed as =
tight as can be, until it hits the holder handle.  The filter was placed =
in the side of the holder nearest the lamp, with the reflective coating =
nearest the lamp.  The holders are double sided, being able to take a =
glass gobo/dichroic on each side.  This puts the handle in the middle of =
the slot, and doesn't allow the iris cover to get as close as it =
normally does with an iris installed.

>If it is coming out the pattern slot, does inserting an empty pattern
>holder help?

Didn't try that.  Too worried about the massive spill from the iris slot

> These are installed into Source 4s, and I bought holders for the S4.  =
Does
> anyone have a similar experience?  Will switching to the gobo holder =
frame
> solve these issues?

Switching to a glass gobo holder will get the reflective surface as =
close
to the gate as possible and should pretty much solve the problem.

Bill
________________________________

From: Dorian Kelly <dorian [at] essex.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW

>but are you putting the colour in the gate where the=20
>iris goes rather than the front slot? Is that kosher? =20

Yes they are in the iris slot.  Options are the gobo slot, iris slot, or =
gel slot, at immense cost.

>What about all the=20
>reflected heat being kicked back into the lamphouse? How long is that=20
>filter going to last? =20

Yes the reflector temp goes up (theoretically).  The filter will last =
longer than the gel. =20


Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
6265 Crescent Road
Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca


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obscurity what it lacks in style
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead
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Message-ID: <004301c68c11$f81fbcc0$6400a8c0 [at] om.cox.net>
From: "John Gibilisco" <johngib [at] cox.net>
References: <list-31008614 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Asbestos Exposure
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:13:39 -0500

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sschepker [at] charter.net> wrote:
 They are currently removing the asbestos from the pipe.
>
> 1.  What should  I do to protect myself?

Uuuhhmmm. Are you saying you and your crew are present during the removal
and clean up of asbestos pipe insulation? And who is removing it?

JG




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Subject: Re: dichorics - WOW - solutions
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:28:18 -0700
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E6092999C9 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

I talked to the salesman today, after he talked to Rosco.

The colour problems were due to how he ordered them: he spec'ed R80,
 and Rosco pulled 8 pieces from the shelf marked R80, but this means
 the filters are only NEAR R80.  Ok or 1 or 2 pieces, but no guarantee
 that it would match another R80.  If he had ordered by the magical
 number 1080, which is the match for R80, Rosco would have pulled all
 eight pieces from 1 sheet of dichroic, and matched them to the=20
original R80 piece.

If the factory attempts to make a batch of a colour (R80), and when
 checked against the original match piece it failed the quality=20
control, (the batch is off), they'll cut up the filter and file=20
it to the nearest Rosco match. =20

When the 1080 is ordered, it is checked for quality against an=20
original sample.  Therefore any order in 6 months, 1 year, 10=20
years, should still match anything I buy now, because it is=20
matched to an existing piece.

As for the holder issues in the iris slot, they are aware of the=20
problem, and have custom made the solution (at $10 more per unit,=20
from $14 to $25): a holder for the glass filter in the gobo slot,=20
with a larger aperture.

This will solve the slop, bounce, escaping light from the iris slot=20
by going in the gobo slot (with the smaller opening) and closing the=20
iris gate, and the holder has a larger (80mm) aperture so the lamps=20
field of light is not reduced.  A regular glass gobo holder would=20
work too, but it has the smaller aperture, making your lit area=20
on stage smaller.

Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
6265 Crescent Road
Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca


*************
You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in
obscurity what it lacks in style
                         Stoppard, R&G are Dead
*********************


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Subject: RE: Asbestos Exposure
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:31:52 -0400
Message-ID: <D8EF734253AC3F4586D8595391742684025247A3 [at] EXCLUSTER.vgn.cty>
From: "Salvatori, Jason" <Jason.Salvatori [at] vaughan.ca>


> They are currently removing the asbestos from the pipe.
>1.  What should  I do to protect myself?
>2.  What should I tell my crew?
>3.  Who should be notified?
>4.  What is my next step?

I'm not sure who you notify in your area, however I do know
that you and your crew should not be in the building while
the material is being removed, Unless they are in an area
that does not share ventilation with the affected area.
In fact, no one should be in there unless they are in
protective suits with contained air or filtration masks with
the appropriate filters.  Assuming the removal is being done
by a qualified asbestos removal contractor, they should=20
also be able to deal with the clean-up afterwards.  This
is when the danger level is highest - the danger is from=20
airborne particles, so the stuff stuck to your masking etc.
Is safe while it's stuck there - it becomes dangerous when=20
someone next drops the masking to fold it/ move it etc.
All surfaces with asbestos dust on them should be cleaned
with a vacuum with a PROPER filter in place.  Vacuuming
with a regular vacuum will release MORE in to the air
than just leaving it alone.

Your best bet is to talk to the people removing the
asbestos (again, Assuming the removal is being done
by a qualified asbestos removal contractor) for further
information

HTH

Jason Salvatori
Technical Director
City Playhouse
Work: 905-326-7469
Fax:   905-882-7949



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Message-ID: <yxyZ+mEqEfiEFwOb [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:07:38 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: How to ground a moving sound system
References: <list-30937919 [at] prxy.net> <list-30951055 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30970945 [at] prxy.net> <list-30971773 [at] prxy.net> <list-31000933 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-31001132 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31001132 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-31001132 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand 
<jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>Since I've often seen petrol-powered welders used as generators, I'm 
>not sure how you'd ground them.  Sometimes they're mounted to the 
>truck, sometimes on a trailer.  In any case, when you're welding or 
>using power with an extension cord, do these need a ground stake when 
>they're not moving?
>
>The steel company my wife used to work for had a welder on their truck 
>that they used for installing fence/gates/etc. and also used for 
>general power.  They never had a ground stake, for one thing they had 
>to keep moving the truck as each piece of fence was put in place.

There are cases where workmen have been electrocuted when something 
being powered by a generator on the back of their truck has developed an 
earth fault and they've completed the return path.  In one a joiner was 
killed when a cable leading to his power tool was crushed and shorted to 
the ground.  He touched the truck and died.

In the case of a welding generator the actual welding supply is low 
voltage at high current and the welders are often wearing heavy 
gauntlets anyway, but that doesn't protect against the appliance power.

It's really common to see guys with generators in the back of their 
truck and poorly maintained equipment.  There's no point in even trying 
to explain the danger.  If they won't even take care of their equipment 
then they aren't likely to bother with an earth rod or plate.  (Or 
RCD/GFI)

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <1BJYCoFFQfiEFwMU [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:19:49 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW
References: <list-30943228 [at] prxy.net> <list-30958925 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30976653 [at] prxy.net> <list-30981744 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30981744 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30981744 [at] prxy.net>, Andy Ciddor 
<aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au> writes
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>At 08:37 9.06.2006, Big Clive wrote:
>>Personally I disapprove of that.  If the artist didn't make it 
>>themselves then it's not their art.  I get asked to build other 
>>peoples "art" all the time and tend to refuse.
>
>There is a long and honourable history of artists making models (not 
>always at full scale) for casting in bronze or carving from marble by 
>skilled artisans. Then there's all those large artworks that were based 
>in by  assistants and apprentices.
>
>In recent years I have encountered innumerable pieces of urban art and 
>public art which have required large multi-disciplinary teams to design 
>and execute to an artist's concepts and designs. Like many people on 
>this list I have participated in these kinds of projects.
>

Yes but the artists in those instances did the original sculpture and 
although it was cast by a specialist in that field the form was 
absolutely decided by the original sculpture.

Likewise if an artist with some technical ability proposes a large 
project that will require the assistance of others to achieve then yes 
they are still the primary artist.

However, when someone comes to you and expects you to turn their 
technically clueless "concept" into something real when they clearly 
have no basic understanding of the chosen medium or how their whim can 
even be realised, can they actually be called an artist?  Piss artist 
perhaps!

Don't even start me on some of the things I've been approached with... 
They violated several laws of physics completely!

I once asked a neon bender to free-form some neon tube with blown 
bubbles and the ends of the tube brought parallel at a spacing of three 
inches.  I then took the tube and put it in a base that I built with one 
of the little DC supplies shown on my website.

Who was the "artist" of the finished neon piece?  I'd say the neon 
bender who free-formed the piece for me.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <ORzWmiGsZfiEFwrX [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:30:04 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: dichroic filters - WOW
References: <list-30943228 [at] prxy.net> <list-30958925 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-30976653 [at] prxy.net> <list-30989828 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30989828 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30989828 [at] prxy.net>, Dorian Kelly <dorian [at] essex.ac.uk> 
writes
> I have in fact exhibited under my own name at the Hayward, the Oxford 
>MOMA and a few other places,  as well as being an inventive lighting 
>designer *  with experience since 1966, so I am well content in my own 
>artistry and dont need to get stuck in all that artist-luvvie scene

Oh yeah?   Well can I just say that I'm  a guest lecturer at the Glasgow 
School of Art?  ;)

(A pleasure to do...  Their students are really talented and create some 
amazing stuff.)

It also comes with the surprising bonus of access to their extremely 
well equipped workshop.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <RBMRSNHRdfiEFwom [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:33:53 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: laser measure
References: <list-30976658 [at] prxy.net> <list-30984523 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-31001361 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31001361 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-31001361 [at] prxy.net>, Bill Nelson <billn [at] peak.org> writes
>True. But does the Stanley unit use true time delay measurement, or 
>does it simply go by the measured angle?

I'm not actually sure how it works.  I can only make a wild guess that 
it either uses a system like the human eyes to detect distance or 
somehow measures the time it takes for the beam of light to bounce back. 
I'm not sure you get light speed counters though.  :)

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <my1sOPL2qfiEFwMa [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:48:22 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Asbestos Exposure
References: <list-31008614 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31008614 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-31008614 [at] prxy.net>, sschepker [at] charter.net writes
>Greetings,
>I just discovered, from our campus safety officer, that a pipe on the 
>back wall of my theatre is insulated with asbestos .  A batten has been 
>bouncing off it and releasing particles in the air.  The theatre was 
>built in 30's and the rigging was updated in 1997, causing the pipe to 
>be compromised.  We have recently noticed a pile of white powder 
>accumaulting below the soft goods (October '05).  They are currently 
>removing the asbestos from the pipe.
>
>1.  What should  I do to protect myself?
>
>2.  What should I tell my crew?
>
>3.  Who should be notified?
>
>4.  What is my next step?
>
>I realize that I have not given enough information, but I know nothing 
>about asbestos or asbestos exposure.

The asbestos on your pipe is probably the hard stuff where the asbestos 
itself is mixed in with a plaster.

The dangerous asbestos is the uncontained blue asbestos that looks like 
tumble dryer or vacuum cleaner fluff.  It gets airborne very easily and 
carries the highest risk of causing asbestosis.  It can sometimes be 
found inside the wall cavity of old cinemas between the projection booth 
and auditorium.

If the stuff round your pipes is being removed then I wouldn't get too 
concerned about it.  It's unlikely to have harmed anyone.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Reply-To: <info [at] flyingfx.com>
From: "Hall Associates Flying Effects" <info [at] flyingfx.com>
Subject: RE: Maurices' Invention
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:54:27 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-30957334 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000031010172 [at] prxy.net>

Hi Kim

There are a lot of resources for Beauty and the Beast at
http://www.mtishows.com/resource_community_rental.asp   I know I have =
seen
several of Maurice's inventions over there.

If you are interested in flying the Beast or the Enchantress, Hall
Associates Flying Effects can help you out with that as well.

We also have a DMX controlled rose with high intensity lights in the =
rose
head and in the base, as well as solenoid controlled petal drops.  All
effects controlled through your lighting console.

If you interested in either, call Gabe on the toll free number -
888-359-4255.

Hope this helps!

Tracy=A0Nunnally
Technical Director / Assistant Professor of Theatre Technology
Northern Illinois University School of Theatre and Dance
tnunnally [at] niu.edu
Phone: 815-753-9342
Fax: 815-753-8415
www.niu.edu/theatre

President - Hall Associates Flying Effects
info [at] flyingfx.com
Phone: 888-359-4255, Ext. 101 (888-FLY-HALL)
Fax: 888-359-4255
www.flyingfx.com

ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre and Arena


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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:01 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Stagecraft Digest #837


Message-ID: <20060607183327.98498.qmail [at] web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: kadams55 <kadams55 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Maurices' Invention

Has anybody out there done Beauty and the Beast
lately?  I'm trying to find Maurices Invention for our
production at Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival.  If
anybody knows where I can rent one I would appreciate
ith info.

Thanks,
Kim Adams
Technical Director
Oklahoma Shakespearean Festival


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Message-ID: <r8uP9NNZHgiEFwdg [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:18:49 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Intelligent Falling
References: <list-30978275 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-30978275 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-30978275 [at] prxy.net>, Jerry Durand 
<jdurand [at] interstellar.com> writes
>I see the Theory of Gravity is out now and "Intelligent Falling" is in:
>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512
>
>I guess that means if you're stupid you can't possibly fall off that truss.

Maybe that's why so many of us go down with a bit of a thump in the 
entertainment industry.  Many of us are sinners so God pushes us down 
really hard.

On the other hand, I believe electricity is sometimes considered to be 
the work of the devil, so this might explain why it makes us fly up into 
the air. It's obviously Satan pushing us up from below.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <w8cJd9NRQgiEFw$D [at] emanator.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:28:17 +0100
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Asbestos Exposure
References: <list-31008614 [at] prxy.net> <list-31010013 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-31010013 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-31010013 [at] prxy.net>, Clive Mitchell 
<bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com> writes
>If the stuff round your pipes is being removed then I wouldn't get too 
>concerned about it.  It's unlikely to have harmed anyone.

I should add that your guys should not be present if the stuff is 
actually being removed in their vicinity without proper containment. 
Been there too many times myself when a labourer suddenly turns up with 
a totally unsuitable paper dust mask and starts ripping out asbestos 
tiles next to me.  No dust mask for me so sharp exit....

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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