Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 31140314; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:02:12 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #844 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:01:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #844 1. We're going to live forever by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question by "Delbert Hall" 3. Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question by "LES LIND" 4. Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question by Simon Shuker 5. Re: My Last Day by "Jonathan S. Deull" 6. Re: We're going to live forever by SS 7. Re: We're going to live forever by SS 8. Re: We're going to live forever by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: My Last Day by SS 10. Re: We're going to live forever by SS 11. My last day by b Ricie 12. Re: We're going to live forever by Stephen Litterst 13. Re: We're going to live forever by Pat Kight 14. Re: My last day by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 15. Re: Lauan substitutes... by "Chris Kennedy" 16. Re: My Last Day by "Davis, Thomas J" 17. Motorized Spot Lines by Christine Esterl 18. Job Opening - Touring / Movie House TD by "Steve Jones" 19. Re: My last day by Clive Mitchell 20. Re: My Last Day by "Frank E. Merrill" 21. Re: My last day by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 22. Re: My last day by "RD" 23. Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit by Michael Heinicke 24. Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit by Jerry Durand 25. My Last Day by CB 26. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by Steve Larson 27. Re: My last day by Clive Mitchell 28. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by "Chris Kennedy" 29. Re: My Last Day by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 30. Re: Wireless mics by Steve Larson 31. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by "Chris Rovers" 32. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by "Chris Kennedy" 33. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by "Chris Rovers" 34. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by Jerry Durand 35. Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board by Steve Larson 36. Re: Wireless mics by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 37. Re: Wireless mics by "Salvatori, Jason" 38. Curtain draw ropes by Brian James 39. Re: Curtain draw ropes by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 40. Re: Wireless mics by "Jeffrey Mulvey" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: We're going to live forever Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:38:40 -0400 Message-ID: <04c301c68ed5$89570e80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: According to a story on NPR, this morning's coffee will counteract some of the deleterious effects of last night's beer. Another NPR story says that, "a key ingredient in beer helps prevent prostate enlargement and cancer." ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:59:15 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question In-Reply-To: References: I have worked on many productions of Beaty and the Beast - from middle schools to professional productions. Some of these productions have had elaborate sets and costumes, others have had very simple sets and costumes. Although each production was different, I am sure that all the audiences enjoyed the production that they saw. As far as the flying (what I do) I have known of groups that have not flown any performers for their productions of Beauty and the Beast. It is not "required" but it does make the production more exciting (IMHO). When I do the flying for this show, most times there are two flying effects: the Enchantress flys after she transforms from the old hag, and the Beast flys when he transforms back into the Prince. I like to put the enchantress on a tracked flying system so that we can move her about as she flys. This is especially important when you don't have a lot of height. Also, I like to quickly fly her off the stage at the end of the scene. I usually have her fly to center stage and drop the "rose" that is seen throughout the play. The Beast picks it up before he runs offstage. This helps explain the presence of the rose in the later scenes, where it came from, and its importance to the Beast's life. The Beast transformation at the end of the play is a bigger effect. If the theatre has enough height, I will use and endless spinning system so that the Beast can spin like a top during his transformation back into the Prince. He can also somersault at the same time. It is a very magical moment when this guy who is floating and spinning six feet to eight feet above the stage suddenly changes from a beast into a human. If there is not enough height for the spinning system, the Beast usually uses the same track system as the Enchantress (with the trolley positioned in a different location) and just asomersaults instead of spinning. It is still a magical effect. The last production of Beauty and the Beast that I worked on was at a middle school. The theatre had a 16 foot high ceiling over the stage, and no fly system (only a few dead-hung battens). Even with so little to work with, the flying looked great. The specific systems used often depends more on the theatre more than the budget. I have done productions where neither tracked or spinning systems were not possible. The simpliest production that I flew just had one two-point straight-lift system for the Beast. The Beast somersaulted as he ascended and it looked good. I received an email from the director who raved about the response from the audience to the effect. Flying effects do not have to be complicated or expensive to look good. I hope this helps. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:14:22 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question For our production we did not fly anyone. At the transformation at the end we switched the prince for the beast, had him lay on the end of a see-saw type of thing. Through the set and on the other end, 3 of us smoothly levitated him as he "transformed". Special lighting, distraction and flash paper effects helped finish the effect. We had a tech person from another theatre in the audiance. The effect went so well that he 'missed' how we did it. Les Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <448EAE7B.90000 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:24:27 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: 'Beauty & the Beast' question References: In-Reply-To: When we did the transformation we had the beasts Head and shoulders copied and his 2 helpers carried that dress up onto the stage and then dropped it down a concealed trap door with Prince stood right behind with lights again distracting the audience LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For our production we did not fly anyone. At the transformation at the > end we switched the prince for the beast, had him lay on the end of a > see-saw type of thing. Through the set and on the other end, 3 of us > smoothly levitated him as he "transformed". Special lighting, > distraction and flash paper effects helped finish the effect. We had a > tech person from another theatre in the audiance. The effect went so > well that he 'missed' how we did it. > > Les > > > > Les Lind > Northeastern High School > Manchester, PA > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: Re: My Last Day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <00d201c68eef$800e0c10$6901a8c0 [at] M60> In-Reply-To: >>>Tonight I'll be going to my theatre for the last time. I'm giving my replacement an orientation and handing him the keys. My wife's job is returning us to Maryland, after spending the last 11years in Colorado.>>> Randy: Very well said and consistent with my experience on all points! It is the students that make it pay. Echoing Sam Fisher's post, please call when you get to the DC area. There is a lot happening here. Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull Edmund Burke School Washington, DC jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm Phone: (202) 232-4138 Fax: (202) 232-4139 Cel: (202) 256-9207 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606130726w63ad5a67vd102fdc1c14a915b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:26:30 -0400 From: SS Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: We're going to live forever In-Reply-To: References:

> Another NPR story says that, "a key ingredient in beer helps prevent > prostate enlargement and cancer." Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient (xanthohumol) is trivial and one would have to drink at least 17 cans of beer for any "potential benefit". Not NPR, but another article on the story: http://wtopnews.com/?nid=456&sid=818452 Sounds like a good enough reason to me!! :) SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Subject: RE: We're going to live forever Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:37:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CAB [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient=20 > (xanthohumol) is trivial and one would have to drink at least=20 > 17 cans of beer for any "potential benefit".=20 You make this sound like it's a problem...? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606130738sfcaac0do49be0514ef529aa4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:38:41 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: My Last Day In-Reply-To: References: >>>> Amen, Brother.<<< Randy- I want to say something in response to your post, and I honestly don't know what I can say that the other Randy didn't already. But.... Thank you. I enjoyed reading it, and being able to "indulge" you. Best of luck in MD. -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606130742o68994a6dg79a1f94290bf8b6a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:42:04 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: We're going to live forever In-Reply-To: References:

> Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient (xanthohumol) > is trivial and one would have to drink at least 17 cans of beer for > any "potential benefit". > Not NPR, but another article on the story: > http://wtopnews.com/?nid=456&sid=818452 > > Sounds like a good enough reason to me!! Gmail has been giving me a few issues this morning. I just checked my email, and apparently the post I submitted got sent multiple times. My apologies to everyone, including Noah. Sorry for eating, and thank you for supplying, the bandwith! -SS TTS-EKU "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060613144405.82316.qmail [at] web50613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: My last day In-Reply-To: Randy, It is not your last day, but rather your first. The first day you can see all your hard work culminate in a passing of a torch ( the keys) to a person you helped to grow into a responsible young person ready to carry on where you left off. Your work there is finished, Now it is time to carry on your tradition of inspiration in a new town, for new people. You left your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making a mark on Maryland. Too Many people out there do not care what their children are doing, it is nice to hear about someone out there does. Best of luck on your new adventure. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:52:53 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: We're going to live forever In-reply-to: Message-id: <448ED145.5040600 [at] ithaca.edu> References:

SS wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient (xanthohumol) > is trivial and one would have to drink at least 17 cans of beer for > any "potential benefit". Per month, week, day or hour? -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <448ED3C0.1030406 [at] peak.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:03:28 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: We're going to live forever References:

In-Reply-To: SS wrote: >> Another NPR story says that, "a key ingredient in beer helps prevent >> prostate enlargement and cancer." > Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient (xanthohumol) > is trivial and one would have to drink at least 17 cans of beer for > any "potential benefit". > Not NPR, but another article on the story: > http://wtopnews.com/?nid=456&sid=818452 > > Sounds like a good enough reason to me!! On the other hand ... Coffee may help reduce the risk of cirrhosis of the liver: http://tinyurl.com/ebzh5 So add some morning coffee to your beer diet, and you're good to go. -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: My last day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:02:04 +0000 Message-Id: <061320061602.11752.448EE17C00082EDB00002DE82200734076010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: b Ricie > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Randy, snip > You left > your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making > a mark on Maryland. Um. gee. gosh... um thanks I um...well aaah...boy Thanks. Randy Whitcomb Regular Guy Fort Collins, CO ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lauan substitutes... Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thermo-Ply is what we used in high school where one would normally use lauan (probably for no reason other than we had it around.) It is a housing insulation that comes in two thicknesses, 1/8" and I believe just shy of 1/4". It is a pressed paper product so it's mostly recycled/100% recyclable. I recall the price being about $1 more than a sheet of lauan, this was 8 years ago YMMV. It has one very smooth, paper like face (took paint like a dream) and one plastic-y face with the name and insulation properties etc. printed on. Also readily available in 4'x10'. The biggest problem with it was setting the stapler just right so staples wouldn't blast through. Just another idea. Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD 858.822.4456 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Heather Hillhouse-Deans Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:02 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Lauan substitutes... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I haven't used many of these as a substitute for lauan, but I can't imagine substituting homosote for lauan. Homosote is a sound deadener- much like celotex. Rough surface, fairly fragile, absorbs liquid like crazy, not rigid, heavy. Hardboard has its own problems as well- very heavy, doesn't like fasteners very much, liquid reactive. At one point I tried something called Obiche (probably spelling it wrong)- which seems to be a type of plywood but a different wood composition) wonderful surface, but more brittle and prone to warpage if not frequently framed. We're starting a discussion within our department (hoping it will spread) about being more environmentally aware- what are other people doing to reduce, reuse and recycle? Heather Hillhouse-Deans Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center ------------------------------ Subject: RE: My Last Day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B019AD5C2 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Many of us share your sentiments, my friend. Good luck with your future endeavors. Sounds like there are a couple folks on the list who would like you to start work on Monday. Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Randy Whitcomb ...I know there are many of you on the list who are as fortunate as I have been. The school district may own the facility but it is MY theatre. It has a life and personality and is a part of me. It's hard to leave it. It feels good when people walk by the sound station at the end of a show and say "Good job" to me. They've been entertained. We are lucky to be part of a profession that brings joy to people. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060613174320.26621.qmail [at] web36304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Christine Esterl Subject: Motorized Spot Lines I am working on a project to develop 2-4 motorized spot lines that have a lifting load of 200 lbs. I also want to be able to control these spot lines from a single point backstage. Right now I am working on designing and building one spot line to see how things work. What are some good resources that could help with this project? Christine Esterl Student Hamline University __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200606131759.k5DHx8Uh025442 [at] omr1.networksolutionsemail.com> From: "Steve Jones" Subject: Job Opening - Touring / Movie House TD Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:58:57 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre Below is information on a position just opening up here at the Plaza Theatre that is being created in the new fiscal year budget by the City of Glasgow. Budget goes into effect July 1, 2006 - that would be the earliest starting date. Salary range will probably be in the mid $20's PLUS health, dental, vision, and retirement. Before everyone starts complaining about it, cost of living here is very low. My wife and I bought what would be a $250K+ house here (large, multiple full baths, office/den, finished basement, attached garage, in ground pool, 5+ acres w/ fenced field and barn, etc) for just over $100K. You can buy a small home here for less than $50K. Good schools, good community. Top rated elementary school in the state is here (my kids go there). If you have any questions, send me an email. (But don't complain to me about salary!) Thanks! Steve - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Too see the full City of Glasgow job description (or download as a PDF) go to www.glasgowplazatheatre.org and click on the CURRENT JOB OPENINGS link on the main page. BRIEF DESCRIPTION: Plaza Theatre Technical Director: Oversee all technical theatre and physical plant needs of a 1,000+ seat restored 1934 touring and movie house. Maintain, inventory, and use all in house lighting, sound, and rigging equipment as well as train volunteers and supervise contract crews in same. Negotiate equipment rental packages for touring shows booked into theatre, serve technical needs of all rental clients, as well as assemble and supervise all crews needed. All aspects of job must conform with City of Glasgow policies and procedures, as the Plaza Theatre is a department within the city government. Position reports directly to the Director of the Plaza Theatre. Irregular working hours required. Salary commensurate with experience. Full benefits. MFA preferred w/ 2 years touring house experience or BA/BS with 5 years experience or equivalent experience / background. Cover letter, resume, and three references required. Position open until filled. Send all materials to: Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 East Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:27:56 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: My last day References:

In-Reply-To: In message , b Ricie writes >You left your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making a mark >on Maryland. Oh. I didn't realise he was a graffiti artist. :P -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:44:29 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <53189270.20060613144429 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: My Last Day In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, June 12, 2006, Randy Whitcomb wrote his own theatrical obituary, which I read as did you: with knowing hearts and aggreeably nodding heads. That, Mr. Whitcomb, is why I've been in the theatre business for more than fifty years. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: My last day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:45:23 +0000 Message-Id: <061320061845.18032.448F07C30004DD51000046702200761394010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Clive Mitchell > > In message , b Ricie writes > >You left your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making a mark > >on Maryland. > > Oh. I didn't realise he was a graffiti artist. :P More like a dog ;-) I can't draw well enough to be a grafitti artist! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: My last day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:54:42 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c68f1a$d4c43d30$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Yes, it will be good to inspect a theater operation that was so well cared for, when that comes up. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:28 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: My last day For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In message , b Ricie writes >You left your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making a mark >on Maryland. Oh. I didn't realise he was a graffiti artist. :P -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060613185649.58210.qmail [at] web82210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit In-Reply-To: At what kind of distance from the surface? I remember reading a book as a kid that told about the first UDT swimmers. It told how they only needed to swim a foot or two below the surface to be safe. At that depth, they were evidently catching bullets from Japanese machine guns in their hands. Mike Heinicke --- "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stayed up too late last night watching Mythbusters. > There were > exploring the myth that diving into a > lake/ocean/pool will protect you > from small arms fire. > > They tested a 9mm handgun: the bullet would need to > travel through 8' > of water before loosing the ability to penetrate > skin > They tested a shot gun slug, and blew their test > tank apart. I think > the shot was lethal too. > > They then found a public swimming pool that agreed > to let them fire > rounds into the pool !! > > The short story is that anything larger than a > handgun, the bullets > fractured and disintegrated upon impact in the > water. > > This included the round from the .50cal behemoth! > After a couple of > feet of passage through the water, all the bullets > were non-lethal. > > They were shooting into the pool at an angle of 23 > deg above horizontal. > > FYI > > Andrew M. Riter > Head Lighting Technician > Chan Centre, UBC > 604-822-2372 > > *********************** > You understand, we are tied down to a language which > makes up in > obscurity what it lacks in style. > Stoppard, R&G are Dead > ************************ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:43:09 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060613124210.011c0348 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 11:56 AM 6/13/2006, Michael Heinicke wrote: >At what kind of distance from the surface? >I remember reading a book as a kid that told about the >first UDT swimmers. It told how they only needed to >swim a foot or two below the surface to be safe. At >that depth, they were evidently catching bullets from >Japanese machine guns in their hands. The guns were a few feet from the surface. They did find the black powder gun went the farthest by a lot. The slow-moving bullet didn't shatter on impact. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060613130820.00c0e178 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:08:20 From: CB Subject: My Last Day >Sorry digesters, its a bit long. I'm pretty sure that nobody minded the length there, Randy. Good luck in DC. 'Murky Coffee' is the best in the city, just down Pennsylvania Ave. (other way from 'there') from teh Capitol, behind 'Bread and Chocolate'. Get your snacks at 'B&C', but your coffee at 'Murky' Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:08:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The initial description almost sounded like Upson board. Then you mentioned the backside. Wow. That's an interesting material. Where do YOU buy it? Steve > From: "Chris Kennedy" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:18:26 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thermo-Ply is what we used in high school where one would normally use lauan > (probably for no reason other than we had it around.) It is a housing > insulation that comes in two thicknesses, 1/8" and I believe just shy of > 1/4". It is a pressed paper product so it's mostly recycled/100% > recyclable. I recall the price being about $1 more than a sheet of lauan, > this was 8 years ago YMMV. It has one very smooth, paper like face (took > paint like a dream) and one plastic-y face with the name and insulation > properties etc. printed on. Also readily available in 4'x10'. The biggest > problem with it was setting the stapler just right so staples wouldn't blast > through. > > Just another idea. > > Chris Kennedy > Technical Director > La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD > 858.822.4456 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Heather > Hillhouse-Deans > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:02 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Lauan substitutes... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I haven't used many of these as a substitute for lauan, but I can't > imagine substituting homosote for lauan. Homosote is a sound deadener- > much like celotex. Rough surface, fairly fragile, absorbs liquid like > crazy, not rigid, heavy. Hardboard has its own problems as well- very > heavy, doesn't like fasteners very much, liquid reactive. At one point > I tried something called Obiche (probably spelling it wrong)- which > seems to be a type of plywood but a different wood composition) > wonderful surface, but more brittle and prone to warpage if not > frequently framed. > > We're starting a discussion within our department (hoping it will > spread) about being more environmentally aware- what are other people > doing to reduce, reuse and recycle? > > Heather Hillhouse-Deans > Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:33:11 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: My last day References: In-Reply-To: In message , Randy Whitcomb writes >> >You left your mark on Colorado, Now it is time to start making a mark >> >on Maryland. >> >> Oh. I didn't realise he was a graffiti artist. :P > >More like a dog ;-) I can't draw well enough to be a grafitti artist! I was going to make the "leg up" joke but thought it would be insensitive given your current turmoil. (Doesn't usually stop me though.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I managed to get it from a construction supply place in Pittsburgh while I was in college. Here's the manufacturer's link, they have sales contacts from there. http://www.covalencecoatedproducts.com/pages/thermoply.html Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD 858.822.4456 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve Larson Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:09 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- The initial description almost sounded like Upson board. Then you mentioned the backside. Wow. That's an interesting material. Where do YOU buy it? Steve > From: "Chris Kennedy" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:18:26 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thermo-Ply is what we used in high school where one would normally use lauan > (probably for no reason other than we had it around.) It is a housing > insulation that comes in two thicknesses, 1/8" and I believe just shy of > 1/4". It is a pressed paper product so it's mostly recycled/100% > recyclable. I recall the price being about $1 more than a sheet of lauan, > this was 8 years ago YMMV. It has one very smooth, paper like face (took > paint like a dream) and one plastic-y face with the name and insulation > properties etc. printed on. Also readily available in 4'x10'. The biggest > problem with it was setting the stapler just right so staples wouldn't blast > through. > > Just another idea. > > Chris Kennedy > Technical Director > La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD > 858.822.4456 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Heather > Hillhouse-Deans > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:02 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Lauan substitutes... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I haven't used many of these as a substitute for lauan, but I can't > imagine substituting homosote for lauan. Homosote is a sound deadener- > much like celotex. Rough surface, fairly fragile, absorbs liquid like > crazy, not rigid, heavy. Hardboard has its own problems as well- very > heavy, doesn't like fasteners very much, liquid reactive. At one point > I tried something called Obiche (probably spelling it wrong)- which > seems to be a type of plywood but a different wood composition) > wonderful surface, but more brittle and prone to warpage if not > frequently framed. > > We're starting a discussion within our department (hoping it will > spread) about being more environmentally aware- what are other people > doing to reduce, reuse and recycle? > > Heather Hillhouse-Deans > Lehigh University Zoellner Arts Center > ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: My Last Day Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:10:06 +0000 Message-Id: <061320062110.22335.448F29AE000171E30000573F2200750784010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CB > Get your snacks at 'B&C', but your coffee at 'Murky' Thanks for the advice, but I prefer my caffeine to come cold and carbonated ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:28:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Wireless mics From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I don't pretend to know a lot about sound and mics, have always worked in situations where there were folks who do. Found info on the Sennheiser 112G2 omni lavalier and 122G2 cardiod lavalier. Which is better? Do we need a mix of different types of pickup patterns? Do I want something different than a lavalier? Is there a better mic for musical theatre? How does the mic attach to the transmitter? Push-pull, screw? Are the mics interchangeable with the different transmitters? The musical is called Briarpatch and features a lot of activity by the actors wearing the mics. The show is based on Brer Rabbit and his cohorts. Thanks for any help. Steve > From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:44:27 +0000 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Wireless mics > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Steve Larson > >> Can anyone recommend wireless body mics in the $400 >> range? > > > Sennheiser evoluton 100's . The G2's (generation 2) take AA batteries and we > get 8 hrs. (+-) from NiMH rechargables. The cable connector is the weak > point. However, I had a cable break at the connector and sent it to the > company just about on the last day of the warranty and they sent me 2 new ones > to replace it. > > Randy Whitcomb > Manager/TD > Price Civic Aud. > Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:53:29 -0400 From: "Chris Rovers" Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board In-Reply-To: References:

> I managed to get it from a construction supply place in Pittsburgh while I > was in college. Here's the manufacturer's link, they have sales contacts > from there. How is it to work with in general? Does it fray or come apart at all when cut or is it really like plywood that way? (Ie, if I'm building an irregular shaped flat like a tree that doesn't have support under all the edges, will it work for that?) For a buck or two a sheet extra, even my community theatre could move to it, provided I can find it up here. -cdr ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It cuts very well. At most you might need a quick sand to take the fuzz off the edges (a la lauan, though you aren't removing splinters you're removing, well, fuzz) and needs about the same support (or lack of) as lauan of the same thickness. Another issue that I never researched/tested too thoroughly was it's gluability. With the pretty side out and the slick side to the frame I don't think it worked well. Granted, they only use staples when applying to houses, but their houses don't track DS 20' and rotate 360 ;) Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD 858.822.4456 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Chris Rovers Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I managed to get it from a construction supply place in Pittsburgh while I > was in college. Here's the manufacturer's link, they have sales contacts > from there. How is it to work with in general? Does it fray or come apart at all when cut or is it really like plywood that way? (Ie, if I'm building an irregular shaped flat like a tree that doesn't have support under all the edges, will it work for that?) For a buck or two a sheet extra, even my community theatre could move to it, provided I can find it up here. -cdr ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:10:24 -0400 From: "Chris Rovers" Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board In-Reply-To: References:

> It cuts very well. At most you might need a quick sand to take the fuzz off > the edges (a la lauan, though you aren't removing splinters you're removing, > well, fuzz) and needs about the same support (or lack of) as lauan of the > same thickness. Another issue that I never researched/tested too thoroughly > was it's gluability. With the pretty side out and the slick side to the > frame I don't think it worked well. Granted, they only use staples when > applying to houses, but their houses don't track DS 20' and rotate 360 ;) Hmmm. Yeah. I guess I'll see if I can't buy a sheet and play with it, see how it acts. After reading that whole environentalist tract on the lauan, it'd be nice to find a more environmental substitute -cdr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:24:31 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060613152414.01ee34d8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 03:10 PM 6/13/2006, Chris Kennedy wrote: >Granted, they only use staples when >applying to houses, but their houses don't track DS 20' and rotate 360 ;) Well, I live in California, so we just might. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:26:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: What about any warpage when painted? Say a profile piece that is not framed to the edge. Steve > From: "Chris Kennedy" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:10:39 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It cuts very well. At most you might need a quick sand to take the fuzz off > the edges (a la lauan, though you aren't removing splinters you're removing, > well, fuzz) and needs about the same support (or lack of) as lauan of the > same thickness. Another issue that I never researched/tested too thoroughly > was it's gluability. With the pretty side out and the slick side to the > frame I don't think it worked well. Granted, they only use staples when > applying to houses, but their houses don't track DS 20' and rotate 360 ;) > > Chris Kennedy > Technical Director > La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD > 858.822.4456 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Chris Rovers > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:53 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Lauan substitutes...Upson-type board > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I managed to get it from a construction supply place in Pittsburgh while I >> was in college. Here's the manufacturer's link, they have sales contacts >> from there. > > How is it to work with in general? Does it fray or come apart at all > when cut or is it really like plywood that way? (Ie, if I'm building > an irregular shaped flat like a tree that doesn't have support under > all the edges, will it work for that?) > > For a buck or two a sheet extra, even my community theatre could move > to it, provided I can find it up here. > > -cdr > ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: Wireless mics Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:44:03 +0000 Message-Id: <061320062344.29555.448F4DC3000766B2000073732200751090010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> We use the omni lavs. The mic capsule is on a cable which terminates with a mini1/4" connector with a threaded collar. You plug the connector into the body pack and tighten the collar to secure the mic to the body pack. There are better mics for musical theatre, Sennheiser and Countryman make nice higher end mics, but that's going to increase your cost. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Steve Larson > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I don't pretend to know a lot about sound and mics, > have always worked in situations where there were > folks who do. > > Found info on the Sennheiser 112G2 omni lavalier and > 122G2 cardiod lavalier. Which is better? Do we need > a mix of different types of pickup patterns? Do I want > something different than a lavalier? Is there a better > mic for musical theatre? How does the mic attach > to the transmitter? Push-pull, screw? Are the mics > interchangeable with the different transmitters? > > The musical is called Briarpatch and features a lot > of activity by the actors wearing the mics. The show > is based on Brer Rabbit and his cohorts. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve > > > From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) > > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:44:27 +0000 > > To: "Stagecraft" > > Subject: Re: Wireless mics > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Steve Larson > > > >> Can anyone recommend wireless body mics in the $400 > >> range? > > > > > > Sennheiser evoluton 100's . The G2's (generation 2) take AA batteries and we > > get 8 hrs. (+-) from NiMH rechargables. The cable connector is the weak > > point. However, I had a cable break at the connector and sent it to the > > company just about on the last day of the warranty and they sent me 2 new ones > > to replace it. > > > > Randy Whitcomb > > Manager/TD > > Price Civic Aud. > > Loveland, CO > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Wireless mics Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Salvatori, Jason" >Found info on the Sennheiser 112G2 omni lavalier and >122G2 cardiod lavalier. Which is better? Do we need >a mix of different types of pickup patterns? Do I want >something different than a lavalier? Is there a better >mic for musical theatre? How does the mic attach >to the transmitter? Push-pull, screw? Are the mics >interchangeable with the different transmitters? > >The musical is called Briarpatch and features a lot >of activity by the actors wearing the mics. The show >is based on Brer Rabbit and his cohorts. > >Thanks for any help. Most likely you'd want the Omni - It's often hard to get the Card in a good position on a dancing actor to be picked up. Countryman makes a really nice headset mic that fits Senn evolution packs, but it'll cost you the same for the=20 capsule as the body pack did. The standard for the Senn packs are a TRS connector with a=20 screw ring to hold it firmly in place. We use Senn G2's with the MKE-2 Gold omni capsules and have had very few problems - the only one of note is the already mentioned weak point at the connector. If you're handy with a soldering=20 iron it's easy enough to repair when it breaks (ours get used about 4 days a week as an average over the year, and we have to fix them about once every year and a half) Jason Salvatori Technical Director City Playhouse Phone: 905-326-7469 Fax: 905-882-7949 _________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail, including any attachment(s), may be confidential and is = intended solely for the attention and information of the named = addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient or have received = this message in error, please notify me immediately by return e-mail and = permanently delete the original transmission from your computer, = including any attachment(s). Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure = or copying of this message and attachment(s) by anyone other than the = recipient is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <448F7A2F.1090200 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:53:35 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Curtain draw ropes Okay, this may be an easy one, but what is the best rope to use for curtain draw rope? A few years ago we had most of our draw lines replaced, it appears to be with a cotton rope, and they are all starting to snap. Is there a better choice for this application? Seems to me a draw rope should get better than 5 years of medium use out of it. Any thought would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002b01c68f66$8334a760$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com References: Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:56:26 -0600 yeah,,, this is kind of an easy one. not knowing where you are in the country (or IN this country) I would say you are in a warm high humidity area. You are suffering from rope rot. I've seen cotton rope in covered amphitheaters in the South East U.S. last only three years. Go with a good grade double braid synthetic rope. There are several dealers who are on this list who would be glad to help you with a selection. There are poly ropes that are designed for that. The rope is snapping because of the rope rot or because of poor performing curtain track pulleys and the like, or a combination thereof? Before, or as, you replace the rope check your hardware to make sure every thing else is functioning properly. Don't buy a cheap substitute with an internal wire strand / core. A last thought: are these heavy drapes? Like a Main? You might have too small a rope for the application. If you have a 250# guy giving a quick start to a "snappy" opening, the shock could cause a shorter life. The poly is a stronger rope. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian James" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Curtain draw ropes > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Okay, this may be an easy one, but what is the best rope to use for > curtain draw rope? A few years ago we had most of our draw lines > replaced, it appears to be with a cotton rope, and they are all starting > to snap. Is there a better choice for this application? Seems to me a > draw rope should get better than 5 years of medium use out of it. > > Any thought would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:04:53 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: Wireless mics In-Reply-To: References: >The mic capsule is on a cable which terminates with a mini1/4" >connector with a threaded collar. " mini 1/4" " .......hmmm........wouldn't that be an 1/8" ? Jeff ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #844 *****************************