Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 31173899; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:01:02 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_MILLIONSOF,TW_RX,TW_XV,URIBL_SBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #845 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:00:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #845 1. Re: Curtain draw ropes by "Delbert Hall" 2. Re: Curtain draw ropes by 3. FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Herrick Goldman 4. Re: Curtain draw ropes by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Anna 6. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by iaeg [at] aol.com 7. Re: Curtain draw ropes by "Delbert Hall" 8. Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "Delbert Hall" 9. special effects from the vending machine by "Davis, Thomas J" 10. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Herrick Goldman 12. Re: special effects from the vending machine by Herrick Goldman 13. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 14. Re: special effects from the vending machine-apologies, lol by "Davis, Thomas J" 15. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Simon Shuker 16. Re: Motorized spot lines by Loren Schreiber 17. Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "RD" 18. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "RD" 19. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 20. Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit by Jim Hyslop 21. Re: OT (sort of) Time waster. Fun for riggers? and others by Jim Hyslop 22. Re: My Last Day by Jim Hyslop 23. Re: We're going to live forever by Jim Hyslop 24. Re: Wireless mics by Jerry Durand 25. Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Jerry Durand 26. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Jerry Durand 27. Re: OT (sort of) Time waster. Fun for riggers? and others by Jerry Durand 28. Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 29. We're going to live forever by CB 30. Re: Rigging Math by "Brian Munroe" 31. Re: Rigging Math by "Chris Kennedy" 32. Re: Rigging Math by "Chris Kennedy" 33. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Clive Mitchell 34. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by Clive Mitchell 35. Re: Curtain draw ropes by Clive Mitchell 36. Re: Wireless mics by CB 37. Re: Wireless mics by CB 38. Re: Curtain draw ropes by "Delbert Hall" 39. Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine by "RD" 40. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 41. Re: Rigging Math by "RD" 42. Re: We're going to live forever by "RD" 43. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 44. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 45. Re: Rigging Math by James Feinberg 46. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 47. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 48. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 49. Re: Rigging Math by DonEarl01 [at] aol.com 50. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 51. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 52. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" 53. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 54. Re: Rigging Math by Clive Mitchell 55. Fwd: Theatre Engineering & Architecture conference by Greg Williams 56. Re: Rigging Math by phillip toussaint 57. Re: Rigging Math by "Ken Romaine" 58. Re: Rigging Math by Clive Mitchell 59. Re: Rigging Math by "Delbert Hall" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:57:16 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes In-Reply-To: References:

Sapsis Rigging sells a double-braided polyester rope called "Premire CurtainBraid." I used it as the travel lines in my flying rigs for years and I highly recomend it. Low stretch and holds up very well. Its color is "black." For large curtains, go with the 7/16 inch diameter. For smaller curtains, 3/8" is OK. Check your live-end and dead-end pulleys to see if they will take the larger rope. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Curtain draw ropes Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Well, Delbert just beat me to this response. I second his suggestion. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Sapsis Rigging sells a double-braided polyester rope called "Premire CurtainBraid." I used it as the travel lines in my flying rigs for years and I highly recomend it. Low stretch and holds up very well. Its color is "black." For large curtains, go with the 7/16 inch diameter. For smaller curtains, 3/8" is OK. Check your live-end and dead-end pulleys to see if they will take the larger rope. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:04:53 -0400 Subject: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. Apparently I'm an actor who has inspired people through my lighting. Would I let this person write about me?? Hmmm.. Methinks not. No website, no links no phone. Anyone know this rag? ------ Forwarded Message From: sachin gupta Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:15:09 +0530 To: Subject: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Dear Herrick, First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your huge success in the field of entertainment .....It's really inspiring to see your lighting work in theatre.. On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like you who has a major contribution to performing arts...We appreciate your commitment & passion in in theatre.... We have one section in our magazine where we cover success stories of artists across the world.. .As you are so much involved in performing arts ...We would love to highlight your achievements in our next issue of our International theatre Magazine..... Do mail us as when can we schedule the interview & we would really appreciate if you could share your experience with our readers... Looking forward to your Reply, Best Wishes Maria Jones Correspondent Theatre Pasta ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Curtain draw ropes Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <052c01c68faa$13eefec0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > For large curtains, go with the 7/16 inch diameter. For=20 > smaller curtains, 3/8" is OK. Here's where I reveal the depths of my rigging ignorance: 1/16" really = makes that much difference? How are you defining "large" and "smaller"? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060614121623.75579.qmail [at] web37202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Reply-To: Anna Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine In-Reply-To: A bit of Googling reveals: http://www.chilsagchillies.com/theatre/index.html To the best of my understanding, it's a guy in New Delhi creating an on-line theatrical magazine. I would not call the initial e-mail SPAM, more like direct fishing without careful proofreading... Anna LabykinaTD, Salem State College 978.542.7201 office 617.388.5656 mobile ----- Original Message ---- From: Herrick Goldman To: Stagecraft Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:04:53 AM Subject: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. Apparently I'm an actor who has inspired people through my lighting. Would I let this person write about me?? Hmmm.. Methinks not. No website, no links no phone. Anyone know this rag? ------ Forwarded Message From: sachin gupta Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:15:09 +0530 To: Subject: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Dear Herrick, First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your huge success in the field of entertainment .....It's really inspiring to see your lighting work in theatre.. On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like you who has a major contribution to performing arts...We appreciate your commitment & passion in in theatre.... We have one section in our magazine where we cover success stories of artists across the world.. .As you are so much involved in performing arts ...We would love to highlight your achievements in our next issue of our International theatre Magazine..... Do mail us as when can we schedule the interview & we would really appreciate if you could share your experience with our readers... Looking forward to your Reply, Best Wishes Maria Jones Correspondent Theatre Pasta ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:20:58 -0400 From: iaeg [at] aol.com Message-Id: <8C85DC4206E27A0-BE8-4F6 [at] MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine hey, , at least he wasn't asking for all of your banking information so that he could transfer millions of dollars in frozen assets from ____________ ( pick one or more ) A Nigeria B South Africa C Phillipines D Hong Kong or E India into your account. very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida USA 813 831 3465 office -----Original Message----- From: Herrick Goldman To: Stagecraft Sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:04:53 -0400 Subject: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. Apparently I'm an actor who has inspired people through my lighting. Would I let this person write about me?? Hmmm.. Methinks not. No website, no links no phone. Anyone know this rag? ------ Forwarded Message From: sachin gupta Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:15:09 +0530 To: Subject: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Dear Herrick, First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your huge success in the field of entertainment .....It's really inspiring to see your lighting work in theatre.. On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like you who has a major contribution to performing arts...We appreciate your commitment & passion in in theatre.... We have one section in our magazine where we cover success stories of artists across the world.. .As you are so much involved in performing arts ...We would love to highlight your achievements in our next issue of our International theatre Magazine..... Do mail us as when can we schedule the interview & we would really appreciate if you could share your experience with our readers... Looking forward to your Reply, Best Wishes Maria Jones Correspondent Theatre Pasta ------ End of Forwarded Message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:22:15 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes In-Reply-To: References:

> Here's where I reveal the depths of my rigging ignorance: 1/16" really makes > that much difference? Yes. The heavier the curtain (or scenery or person) the harded it will be to move them. The larger the diamerter of rope the better your grip and the easier it will be to pull it. With small diamenter ropes, like these, a little bit can make a lot of difference. > > How are you defining "large" and "smaller"? I am really referring to weight more than size. I personally like to use 7/16" travel lines for most curtain travel line, but you can get away with 3/8" diameter travel lines on lightweight stuff. When I rig the kite to fly in Peter Pan, I use 1/8" sash cord or smaller for my travel line, because the kite is so light. BTW, I also like 5" dia. sheaves on my live-end and dead-end pulleys for most travel systems. -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:27:27 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine In-Reply-To: References:

Herrick, Congratulations on your success as an ACTOR. We learn new things about you every day. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 > On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's > experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our > editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next > issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like > you who has a major contribution to performing arts... ------------------------------ Subject: special effects from the vending machine Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B019AD649 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" See what can happen when you mix diet Coke and Mentos http://www.eepybird.com/ Tom D PS- you will need quicktime, and it may take a minute to load- could be fun at the 4th of July picnic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:21:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks Anna, I tried Googling too but must have "misspelled" Theater. :) On 6/14/06 8:16 AM, "Anna" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A bit of Googling reveals: http://www.chilsagchillies.com/theatre/index.html -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:22:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yeah! I ' M really good too. On some days I act like I care. :) On 6/14/06 8:27 AM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick, > > Congratulations on your success as an ACTOR. We learn new things > about you every day. > > -Delbert -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:24:00 -0400 Subject: Re: special effects from the vending machine From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh Tom, That's so last week. n 6/14/06 8:53 AM, "Davis, Thomas J" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > See what can happen when you mix diet Coke and Mentos > > http://www.eepybird.com/ > > Tom D > > PS- you will need quicktime, and it may take a minute to load- could be > fun at the 4th of July picnic > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <010301c68fb6$978ba8d0$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? > Dear Herrick, > > First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your > huge success in the field of entertainment .....It's really > inspiring to see your lighting work in theatre.. Yes, I get stuff like this a few times a year. They fish my personal site www.jamesdavidsmith.com then solicit input for technology articles. It turned into "opportunities" to advertise, etc. In the end, when I declined to "invest" nothing more came of it. Of course, this might not be case for you. Maybe it is a legit magazine trying to start up. You never know 'til ya respond. Unfortunately, "good" fishing and sincere cold calls can end up reading about the same. Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ Subject: RE: special effects from the vending machine-apologies, lol Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B019AD66F [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" My apologies if I missed it the first time around. I hadn't seen the video here or anywhere else. TD -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick Goldman Oh Tom, That's so last week. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <449013EB.8050802 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:49:31 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine References: In-Reply-To: We are in the Middle of a Bollywood award show at present so I will ask around to see if anyone knows him. Simon Anna wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A bit of Googling reveals: http://www.chilsagchillies.com/theatre/index.html > > To the best of my understanding, it's a guy in New Delhi creating an on-line theatrical magazine. I would not call the initial e-mail SPAM, more like direct fishing without careful proofreading... > > Anna LabykinaTD, Salem State College > 978.542.7201 office > 617.388.5656 mobile > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Herrick Goldman > To: Stagecraft > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:04:53 AM > Subject: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? > > Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. > > Apparently I'm an actor who has inspired people through my lighting. > Would I let this person write about me?? Hmmm.. Methinks not. > > No website, no links no phone. > > Anyone know this rag? > > > ------ Forwarded Message > From: sachin gupta > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:15:09 +0530 > To: > Subject: Interview/International Theatre Magzine > > Dear Herrick, > > First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your huge success in > the field of entertainment .....It's really inspiring to see your lighting > work in theatre.. > > On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's > experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our > editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next > issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like > you who has a major contribution to performing arts...We appreciate your > commitment & passion in in theatre.... > > We have one section in our magazine where we cover success stories of > artists > across the world.. .As you are so much involved in performing arts ...We > would love to highlight your achievements in our next issue of our > International theatre Magazine..... > > Do mail us as when can we schedule the interview & we would really > appreciate if you could > share your experience with our readers... > > > Looking forward to your Reply, > > Best Wishes > > Maria Jones > Correspondent > Theatre Pasta > > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060614073412.02b0eeb0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:51:16 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Motorized spot lines In-Reply-To: References: Well, this list is a good resource to begin with, so you have come to the right place. First you need to ask some questions like what you will be lifting with these motors, will it be over performers or audience, how fast does it need to move, will it be counterweighted, what power is available, how far does it need to move, how much money do you have and what sort of control you plan to use? Once you answer these questions (and probably a few others), you can begin designing your system. The design process is not that difficult. Figure out what your loads are (acceleration, max speed, max load, etc.), get a motor/gearbox combo that can handle the loads. Get a drive that can run the motor and also handle inputs from your control system. Don't overlook the emergency stop system and look for single-point failure potential (chains, shaft couplers, cable connections) and determine your worst case scenario. Then design your machine to minimize damage in the event of a component failure. And that's all there is to it! :-) I've built a lot of similar systems and I would be glad to help you figure out this project. At 03:01 AM 6/14/2006, you wrote: >Right now I am working on >designing and building one spot line to see how things work. What are >some good resources that could help with this project? Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:35:24 -0600 Message-ID: <00ea01c68fc8$27b65610$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Congratulations. Wow. Oom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:27 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Herrick, Congratulations on your success as an ACTOR. We learn new things about you every day. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 > On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's > experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our > editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next > issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like > you who has a major contribution to performing arts... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:37:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00f001c68fc8$7a37db70$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Rag? Listen rags are big business. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick Goldman Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:05 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. Apparently I'm an actor who has inspired people through my lighting. Would I let this person write about me?? Hmmm.. Methinks not. No website, no links no phone. Anyone know this rag? ------ Forwarded Message From: sachin gupta Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:15:09 +0530 To: Subject: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Dear Herrick, First & foremost I would like to congratulate you for your huge success in the field of entertainment .....It's really inspiring to see your lighting work in theatre.. On behalf of Theatre Pasta(International theatre magazine) Actor's experimental laboratory,USA publication I would like to inform you that our editorial team has shorlisted your profile as a cover story for next issue....Our main objective is to highlight the achievemnts of Actors like you who has a major contribution to performing arts...We appreciate your commitment & passion in in theatre.... We have one section in our magazine where we cover success stories of artists across the world.. .As you are so much involved in performing arts ...We would love to highlight your achievements in our next issue of our International theatre Magazine..... Do mail us as when can we schedule the interview & we would really appreciate if you could share your experience with our readers... Looking forward to your Reply, Best Wishes Maria Jones Correspondent Theatre Pasta ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:59:09 GMT Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Message-Id: <20060614.085926.6600.53476 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> I have heard that Blogs are becoming the newsmedia of choice for many = persons, with Internet-delivered news magazines coming in a close 2nd. /s/ Richard ________________________ Rag? Listen rags are big business. Doom = ________________________ Clearly a reputable rag that takes the time to research it's stories. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44900433.5010308 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:42:27 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: changing US gun topic thread a little bit References: In-Reply-To: Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > Stayed up too late last night watching Mythbusters. I'm sorry, you just contradicted yourself. Staying up late to watch Mythbusters is, almost by definition, not "up too late" :-) I think my favourite myth was the one about cement truck operators using cherry bombs to loosen dried concrete inside the, um, big round tumbling thingy :=) They tried various types of explosives, finally ending up by filling the truck with a LOT of high explosives (they called in the FBI [or some similar federal agency] to provide the explosives). I won't reveal the results, for those who may want to watch it. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <449001F4.7090001 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:32:52 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: OT (sort of) Time waster. Fun for riggers? and others References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > I had to turn Flash on to make it work. Too much information!! What you do in your spare time is none of my business. >:-> -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4490058E.3000706 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:48:14 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: My Last Day References: In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > Gosh, Randy, tell them about my book, www.theaterhealthandsafetybook.com > Randy Davidson, dr. doom Y'know, I've been reading this list for a year or more, and I do believe that's the first time I've actually seen the title of your book, or a link to it. I've read lots of mentions of it. Now I know what to look for :-) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <449005FC.2040009 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:50:04 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: We're going to live forever References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: > SS wrote: >> Yeah, but it it also says the amount of the ingredient (xanthohumol) >> is trivial and one would have to drink at least 17 cans of beer for >> any "potential benefit". > > > Per month, week, day or hour? The news report I heard said per day. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:44:23 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Wireless mics In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060614094314.01f43070 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 12:04 AM 6/14/2006, Jeffrey Mulvey wrote: >" mini 1/4" " .......hmmm........wouldn't that be an 1/8" ? >Jeff Could be a Bantum (telephone company "mini" jack). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:51 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: FW: Interview/International Theatre Magzine In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060614094832.01f85180 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 05:04 AM 6/14/2006, Herrick Goldman wrote: >Does Anyone else get SPAM like this? I've been getting some lately (until SpamAssassin caught on and started killing them) that some new entertainment site has added a link to us. It's always a slightly different site. The URL in the message actually points to the site name, not some strange other site. The site is always dead (server not found). I wonder what the gimmick is with them? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:02:24 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060614095842.01f8dbe0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 05:20 AM 6/14/2006, iaeg [at] aol.com wrote: >hey, , at least he wasn't asking for all of your banking information >so that he could transfer millions of dollars in frozen assets from >____________ ( pick one or more ) A Nigeria B South Africa C >Phillipines D Hong Kong or E India into your account. Not sure why they have to bother with the phishing spams, CNN just had a report where they showed that places like Arizona have all county records online. CNN simply logged into the public part of the county web site and had the name, address, phone number, birth date, SS number, mortgage, etc. info for everyone in the county. Government certified to be accurate. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:04:51 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT (sort of) Time waster. Fun for riggers? and others In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060614100314.01f06350 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 05:32 AM 6/14/2006, Jim Hyslop wrote: >Too much information!! What you do in your spare time is none of my >business. >:-> I was referring to the program TurnFlash, not what I do at hot springs. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:26:11 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Rigging Math I have been having an online discussion with an ETCP certified rigger about one question on about the ETCP rigging exam. He tells me that he had to compute the resultant force on the a pulley where the angle of change of the rope passing over the pulley was "x" and the load on the rope was "y." For the sake of discussion lets say x = 100 degrees and y = 100 lbs. Now, I know two ways to comput the resultant force: 1) using the law of sines or 2) creating a vector diagram. However, he tell me that the calculator supplied would not do trig functions and you could use a protractor to draw the angle. I know that the answer is 128 lbs (which I computed using the law of sines), but I am at a loss as to how to some this problem without the tools mentioned about. The person I was discussing this with said he used the Pythagorean theorem, but I can't see how that would do it and he has not responded to my request for details on how to use this formula for solving this problem. So, how could this problem be solved with only pencil, paper, and a ruler? Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060614130605.00c159b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:06:05 From: CB Subject: We're going to live forever >coffee will counteract some of >the deleterious effects of last night's beer. > "a key ingredient in beer helps prevent >prostate enlargement and cancer." This si why my favorite drink is a micro-brewed beer with a shot of fine espresso in it. I call it a 'Poor Man's Speedball'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:22:38 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References: Delbert - I think you meant to say that you could NOT use a protractor on the exam. Did this person come up with the correct answer or just an answer that was close to one of the multiple choice answers? Using your example of a 100 pound force, the Pythagorean theorem would supply an answer of 141 pounds resultant force. That might be close enough to the supplied answers to make a correct guess. Or perhaps this person has memorized a resultant force/load multiplier table. i.e - 45 degree pull = 0.76 load 90 degree = 1.41 120 degree = 1.73 Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Rigging Math Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Trapped on our desert island rigging our hammock without a scientific calculator isn't so bad. We know that in a vector diagram, the length of the vector is a direct relative of it's force. Thus, if we had a large enough paper, our 100# vector could have a length of 100 inches, meters, hands, whatever. Being as we only have an 8.5"x11" pad of paper on our tropical paradise/ETCP testing room, let's make 1"=20#. This gives us a downward vector A of 5" and it's mate B of 5" in a 100 degree orientation (by using our seashell protractor). In reality, the two forces act away from each other from the same point (the bend over the pulley) but in order to find our resultant vector we move one of the original vectors from tip to tail (Stage Rigging Handbook, p19, Glerum). The length of the vector created from the origin point (the pulley) to the tip of the newly placed vector has the same 1"=20# relation with which we began. By using my bamboo ruler I know that my combined vector is 6-7/16" (this is where I actually envy the use of a metric bamboo shoot). Nonetheless, my solar-powered abacus tells me that 7/16=.4375. Thus, 6.4375x20# = 128.75# or 129#. Granted, the accuracy of this calculation is dependent on your drawing, but given the circumstances, what's a coconut or two between friends. Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD 858.822.4456 ETCP CR-T -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:26 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Rigging Math For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have been having an online discussion with an ETCP certified rigger about one question on about the ETCP rigging exam. He tells me that he had to compute the resultant force on the a pulley where the angle of change of the rope passing over the pulley was "x" and the load on the rope was "y." For the sake of discussion lets say x = 100 degrees and y = 100 lbs. Now, I know two ways to comput the resultant force: 1) using the law of sines or 2) creating a vector diagram. However, he tell me that the calculator supplied would not do trig functions and you could use a protractor to draw the angle. I know that the answer is 128 lbs (which I computed using the law of sines), but I am at a loss as to how to some this problem without the tools mentioned about. The person I was discussing this with said he used the Pythagorean theorem, but I can't see how that would do it and he has not responded to my request for details on how to use this formula for solving this problem. So, how could this problem be solved with only pencil, paper, and a ruler? Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Rigging Math Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:30:51 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Right, without my seashell protractor I'd be lost. Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse/UCSD 858.822.4456 I think you meant to say that you could NOT use a protractor on the exam. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:46:22 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine References:

In-Reply-To: In message , iaeg [at] aol.com writes >hey, , at least he wasn't asking for all of your banking information so >that he could transfer millions of dollars in frozen assets from >____________ ( pick one or more ) A Nigeria B South Africa C >Phillipines D Hong Kong or E India into your account. Talking of which, I've got a massive consignment of one billion brand new Source Fours that were bought as part of the theatrical requirements of a rich Arabian prince. Since he just popped his clogs I'm looking at a way to liquidate these valuable assets and need some "business associates" to help me do it. Each will be rewarded with 10 million dollars. Firstly though I'd like you all to send me $1000 in used notes stuffed into a plain padded mailing bag. If there's any delay I'll probably need further bags of money. No? Too blunt perhaps? :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:48 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Simon Shuker writes >We are in the Middle of a Bollywood award show at present so I will ask >around to see if anyone knows him. A Bollywood award show? Why do I get this image of men in white clothing with gold trimmings and huge ego's. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:37:17 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Delbert Hall writes >BTW, I also like 5" dia. sheaves on my live-end and dead-end pulleys >for most travel systems. Those are quite big sheaves. I guess their larger size makes them easier to rope up as well. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060614140610.00c159b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:06:10 From: CB Subject: Re: Wireless mics >Found info on the Sennheiser 112G2 omni lavalier and >122G2 cardiod lavalier. Which is better? Do we need >a mix of different types of pickup patterns? Do I want >something different than a lavalier? Is there a better >mic for musical theatre? How does the mic attach >to the transmitter? Push-pull, screw? Are the mics >interchangeable with the different transmitters? I prefer the omnis. It takes a bit more to get the feeback issue solved, but they sound more natural, and there is no proximity effect. In the end, you need to work on psoitioning each mic just right, training the actor and the hairdresser and the costumer to keep them just right, and tweaking each mic channel to get the voice to sound like a human is making it with the cardioids; or tweaking the system just right so that there are no feeback issues and putting the mics wherever you need to hide them, and making minor adjustments for sound quality on the console with the omnis. Directional mics work fairly well in a situation where you don't need to hide the mic, but for general theatre use, I'd get the omnis. You will want to get extra mics for the transmitters, you just will. You will probably want one or two extra transmitters, too. If I had the choice I'd get the MKE-2's. They're my favorite mic. Having a coupla hand-held transmitters means that you can use the mics for other things. Having one each for each rxver makes it two systems with the cost of one and and a half. The mic has TRS mini (1/8"" connector that has a threaded collar on it. Fairly dependable, and easier to work on than some connectors. They are interchangeable with other Senn systems of the same type, as is, and compatible with other transmitters if you change the connector. make sure that you buy the range that is compatible with TV in your area. A's, B's, and C's are in the ch 21-69 range, D and E's are in the upper TV and share with some mobile and public safety use. Find out what the broadcasters in your area are using (and what they have allocated for futer digital use!) and buy the range that isn't in these channels. I'd get the antenna distribution and the external anntenae if you are planning four or more rxvrs. But hey, I'm just an A2, what do I know... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060614142423.00c159b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:24:23 From: CB Subject: Re: Wireless mics >>The mic capsule is on a cable which terminates with a mini1/4" >" mini 1/4" " .......hmmm........wouldn't that be an 1/8" ? Yep! It si a ttip-ring-sleeve one eighth inch (three point five millimeter) standard connector with a threaded capture nut. Make a loop just at the connector, and e-tape it to the connector's strain relief, and the 'breakage at the connector' problem almost goes away. Just make sure that the connector isn't the contact point on an actors costume. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Curtain draw ropes In-Reply-To: References:

ADC 5" Live end pulley http://www.automaticdevices.com/database/index.cfm?ProductID=44&do=detail ADC 5" Dead end pulley http://www.automaticdevices.com/database/index.cfm?ProductID=46&do=detail ADC also make 8" live and dead end pulleys, but thoese are too big for my needs. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Interview/International Theatre Magzine Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:39:38 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c68ffb$0c1f9f00$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Seems perfectly plausible to me and the American way of thinking. Just one bag at a time. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:46 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Interview/International Theatre Magzine For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In message , iaeg [at] aol.com writes >hey, , at least he wasn't asking for all of your banking information so >that he could transfer millions of dollars in frozen assets from >____________ ( pick one or more ) A Nigeria B South Africa C >Phillipines D Hong Kong or E India into your account. Talking of which, I've got a massive consignment of one billion brand new Source Fours that were bought as part of the theatrical requirements of a rich Arabian prince. Since he just popped his clogs I'm looking at a way to liquidate these valuable assets and need some "business associates" to help me do it. Each will be rewarded with 10 million dollars. Firstly though I'd like you all to send me $1000 in used notes stuffed into a plain padded mailing bag. If there's any delay I'll probably need further bags of money. No? Too blunt perhaps? :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:43 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

Yes, I meant to say NO PROTRACTOR. If I had a protractor, I could do it in a snap. How do you do it without a protractor or a sine table, or a calculator that does trig functions? This was what I was told was asked of people taking the exam in Orlando. Now, I know a few MFs by heart: 0 degrees = 2, 90 degrees = 1.41, 120 degrees = 1, and 180degrees = 0, but other than those, I need the help of a tool. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Rigging Math Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:53:14 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c68ffc$eff94860$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Ah, the past life. I knew one of our novices, when I was a monk, who had the entire log tables memorized. 18 years old. A math genius. Figures oops, a funny. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:40 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Rigging Math For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Yes, I meant to say NO PROTRACTOR. If I had a protractor, I could do it in a snap. How do you do it without a protractor or a sine table, or a calculator that does trig functions? This was what I was told was asked of people taking the exam in Orlando. Now, I know a few MFs by heart: 0 degrees = 2, 90 degrees = 1.41, 120 degrees = 1, and 180degrees = 0, but other than those, I need the help of a tool. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: We're going to live forever Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:55:38 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c68ffd$45f1a500$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Does not Guinness relieve all ails (oops, ales). Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:06 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: We're going to live forever For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >coffee will counteract some of >the deleterious effects of last night's beer. > "a key ingredient in beer helps prevent >prostate enlargement and cancer." This si why my favorite drink is a micro-brewed beer with a shot of fine espresso in it. I call it a 'Poor Man's Speedball'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060614222401.24714.qmail [at] web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: If you have a normal calculator, you can use the Taylor Polynomial which gives you the sine of an angle. Sin(N)=N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!-N^7/7!+N^9/9!-N^11/11!... This assumes that N is in radians (angle in degrees * pi/180). If the angle is reduced into the range from -180 to 180 degrees, 4 terms will be accurate to withing .07. Phillip Toussaint Computer Engineering Student University of Arizona __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:31:53 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

> If you have a normal calculator, you can use the > Taylor Polynomial which gives you the sine of an > angle. > Sin(N)=N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!-N^7/7!+N^9/9!-N^11/11!... This > assumes that N is in radians (angle in degrees * > pi/180). If the angle is reduced into the range from > -180 to 180 degrees, 4 terms will be accurate to > withing .07. That should be easy to remember . ;-) -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <145d09d6a7937db5c44e1dd0b3abd52f [at] sandiego.edu> From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Rigging Math Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:36:38 -0700 What does the ! mean in this equation? On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:24 PM, phillip toussaint wrote: > If you have a normal calculator, you can use the > Taylor Polynomial which gives you the sine of an > angle. > Sin(N)=N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!-N^7/7!+N^9/9!-N^11/11!... This > assumes that N is in radians (angle in degrees * > pi/180). If the angle is reduced into the range from > -180 to 180 degrees, 4 terms will be accurate to > withing .07. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060614224408.17150.qmail [at] web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: ! in the equation is factoral. 1!=1 2!=1*2 3!=1*2*3 4!=1*2*3*4 and so on. --- James Feinberg wrote: > What does the ! mean in this equation? Phillip Toussaint __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:33:24 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

OK it took me about 15 minutes to type this LONG formula into an excel spreadsheet and I got that the sine of 90 degrees is 1.009337115, which is pretty darn close (the correst answer is 1). Doing this calculation on a calculator will take me at least 30 minutes. Then I have to find the sine of half of that angle - another 30 minutes. So it will take me at least an hour to answer this one question. While I am very happy to learn this great new math trick, I cannot imagine that this is what they expected the riggers to do to answer this question on the exam. Is there anyone who took the exam that shed some light on solving this problem? Did they really not give you a calculator that did trig function, or a protractor, or a sine table? -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060614233859.1147.qmail [at] web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: Try useing only N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!. It will still be close enough. Phillip Toussaint __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: DonEarl01 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <37f.51b2501.31c1f93e [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:43:58 EDT Subject: Re: Rigging Math No they did not give you a protractor, graph paper or a calculator that did trig. As a matter of fact, they would not even say what they were going to provide ahead of time, as I inquired before the tests. At least now candidates are aware of what is provided and what isn't. The only articles provided are an a scale ruler, simple calculator, paper and pencil. In a message dated 6/14/2006 7:34:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes: Is there anyone who took the exam that shed some light on solving this problem? Did they really not give you a calculator that did trig function, or a protractor, or a sine table? Don Earl - etcp certified rigger - arena & theatre Earl Girls Inc. Theatrical Equipment 1648 White Horse Pike PO Box 297 Egg Harbor City, NJ 08215-0297 609 965-6900 fax 609 965-3330 www.earlgirls.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060614235202.48855.qmail [at] web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: You only need to use N-N^3/+N^5/5! to get the accuracy required. I spent about 5 minutes with my calculator and got 128.54 as the final answer to the problem. Phillip Toussaint __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:56:12 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

> Try useing only N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!. It will still be > close enough. > Phillip Toussaint Actually, it get you closer (1.0045). After reading a little about the Taylor series and experimenting with my speadsheet, I discovered this for myself and was just about to post this same note. Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:36:54 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References: So Don, How did you solve this problem? BTW: Here is shortest formula I have come up with solving this problem: Resultant force =3D MF * Load Where Na [angle in radians] =3D Nd [angle in degrees] * 3.14/180 Nb [angle in radians] =3D Nd [angle in degrees] / 2 * 3.14/180 And MF =3D Na - ((Na * Na * Na)/6) + ((Na * Na * Na * Na * Na)/120) / Nb =96 ((Nb * Nb * Nb)/6) + ((Nb * Nb * Nb * Nb * Nb)/120) Phillip - Does this look right? -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060615014630.22972.qmail [at] web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: You can do this with only calculateing 1 sine. consider the vector in the direction of the resultent force. This vector bisecst the angle. You can form a right triangle where one side is half of the resulting vector, and one side is your load. You can work out that the remaining angle is 90 minus half the original angle, and therefore, that 1/2*RF=Load*sin(90-ND/2). so: Na=(90-Nd/2)*3.14/180 MF=Na-((Na*Na*Na)/6)+((Na * Na * Na * Na * Na)/120) RF=2*Load*MF Phillip Toussaint --- Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > So Don, How did you solve this problem? > > BTW: Here is shortest formula I have come up with > solving this problem: > > Resultant force = MF * Load > > Where > > Na [angle in radians] = Nd [angle in degrees] * > 3.14/180 > Nb [angle in radians] = Nd [angle in degrees] / 2 * > 3.14/180 > > And > > MF = Na - ((Na * Na * Na)/6) + ((Na * Na * Na * Na * > Na)/120) / Nb � > ((Nb * Nb * Nb)/6) + ((Nb * Nb * Nb * Nb * Nb)/120) > > Phillip - Does this look right? > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > ZFX Flying Director > Phone: 714-585-7070 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:20:22 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Rigging Math References:

In-Reply-To: In message , phillip toussaint writes >If you have a normal calculator, you can use the Taylor Polynomial >which gives you the sine of an >angle.Sin(N)=N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!-N^7/7!+N^9/9!-N^11/11!... This assumes >that N is in radians (angle in degrees * pi/180). If the angle is >reduced into the range from -180 to 180 degrees, 4 terms will be >accurate to withing .07. I just worked that equation out in my head and it came to three pounds, 47 grams and sixpence. What size of rope should I use? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ References: Message-Id: <948F7F00-51DE-419B-998D-D29830C4189B [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Fwd: Theatre Engineering & Architecture conference Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:50:21 -0400 The following is forwarded from Bill Sapsis, who is having local server issues in Merrie Olde England. -=G=- Begin forwarded message: > Greetings all. Just a quick note to report on the conference. It was > pretty amazing. A very large, well informed and articulate group of > Architects, Consultants, Manufacturers, End Users and Venue > Managers got > together for three days of serious discussions about where the > industry is > going in the UK and Europe. > > There are a number of list members here and I'm happy to say they > are all > behaving themselves nicely. They have been responsive in the > sessions and, > from what I've been told, they've held their own in the pubs > afterward. Of > course I wouldn't know anything about that. > > I chaired a session on Inspection and Maintenance which I think > went pretty > well. Next time, however, I'll remember to staple my notes together > so I > don't get them out of sequence. > > This conference only happens every 4 years. The next time it comes > around I > would urge you to think about attending. > > I'm off to make a fool of myself at the ABTT dinner. > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country > charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060615015640.16265.qmail [at] web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: phillip toussaint Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: You can also use the cosine, and get 1/2*RF=Load*cos(ND/2). so: Na=(90-Nd/2)*3.14/180 MF=1-((Na*Na)/2)+((Na * Na * Na * Na)/24) RF=2*Load*MF Phillip Toussaint __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:03:48 -0400 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

I would go with rope that's .0075 smoots in diameter, but I've got large hands. Then again, I'm a squint selling video. I'd just call Unka Bill, tell him I'm buying the beverages, and let him figure it out. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 6/14/06, Clive Mitchell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , phillip toussaint > writes > >If you have a normal calculator, you can use the Taylor Polynomial > >which gives you the sine of an > >angle.Sin(N)=N-N^3/3!+N^5/5!-N^7/7!+N^9/9!-N^11/11!... This assumes > >that N is in radians (angle in degrees * pi/180). If the angle is > >reduced into the range from -180 to 180 degrees, 4 terms will be > >accurate to withing .07. > > I just worked that equation out in my head and it came to three pounds, > 47 grams and sixpence. > > What size of rope should I use? > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:43:26 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Rigging Math References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Ken Romaine writes >I would go with rope that's .0075 smoots in diameter, but I've got large hands. Are you sure that's not going to pop off the jibble due to the high tangential forces? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:49:02 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

> Na=(90-Nd/2)*3.14/180 > MF=Na-((Na*Na*Na)/6)+((Na * Na * Na * Na * Na)/120) > RF=2*Load*MF Phillip - This works and is much simpler. I can now solve this problem in less than three minutes. Fantastic. Many thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #845 *****************************