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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 31239032; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:01:47 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A,URIBL_SBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #847 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:01:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #847 1. Re: AC Motor Noise by "Fritz Schwentker" 2. Re: Rigging Math by "Fritz Schwentker" 3. Re: AC Motor Noise by Loren Schreiber 4. Re: AC motor noise by Loren Schreiber 5. British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) by Paul Marsland 6. Re: Rigging Math by "DON EARL" 7. Re: AC Motor Noise by "Hall Associates Flying Effects" 8. Tenure by "Hall Associates Flying Effects" 9. Re: Tenure by Stephen Litterst 10. Re: Tenure by "Scott Parker" 11. Re: How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys by "chip.a.wood" 12. Keeping track of student crew hours by "Scott Parker" 13. Re: Rigging Math by SS 14. Because in space.....etc...etc... (sound on Mars) by Herrick Goldman 15. Re: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. by SS 16. Re: Tenure by SS 17. Re: Keeping track of student crew hours by SS 18. Re: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) by "RD" 19. Nunsense Puppet by Tom Hackman 20. Re: Keeping track of student crew hours by "Occy" 21. For the Rube Goldberg Fans in the crowd tonight... by SS 22. Re: Keeping track of student crew hours by "Steven Santos" 23. How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys by CB 24. Re: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. by "Warren Stiles" 25. Re: Tenure by Stuart Wheaton 26. Re: Rigging Math by CB 27. Re: AC Motor Noise by Chris Fretts 28. Re: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) by "Julie Fox" 29. Louisville, very OT. by "Klyph Stanford" 30. Re: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. by "Tony Deeming" 31. J.R. Clancy Rigging Writer by "Delbert Hall" 32. Re: Rigging Math by Bill Sapsis *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Fritz Schwentker" Subject: RE: AC Motor Noise Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c69142$347798c0$1600a8c0 [at] FFS> In-Reply-To: Mark: It is likely that what you describe is a common phenomena in variable frequency AC motor drives. > -----Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:28 -0500 > From: Mark Engler > Subject: AC Motor Noise > > I've got a three phase 1 1/2hp ac motor that is making an > awful high pitch squeal (the neighborhood dogs are not > happy). Specifically, the motor windings oscillate due to the fact that the motor is not supplied with true sine wave input but a form of pulse width modulation (PWM). The transistors that do the work in the drive switch at a base rate, typically called the carrier frequency, that is usually set by default in the 4 to 8 kHz range. Your drive will have a parameter setting allowing you to raise the carrier frequency to the point (probably double will be good) where the noise is no longer an issue. I am not particularly familiar with the GS2 drives, but the parameter you need to set should be pretty easy to find in the manual. Also, I know that list member Loren Schrieber uses these drives and will likely know the parameter you need to set. If the noise is absolutely unchanged after changing the carrier frequency, then you will need to search elsewhere for the source of this problem. Hope this helps, Fritz =========================== Fritz Schwentker Senior Theatre Systems Designer WJHW, Inc 12500 Network Blvd, Suite 402 San Antonio, TX 78249 210.561.9800 fschwentker [at] wjhw.com =========================== ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Fritz Schwentker" Subject: RE: Rigging Math Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c69146$6ea01140$1600a8c0 [at] FFS> In-Reply-To: Maia brings up an interesting point here. So, I want to understand more fully the intent of the exam problem we have been discussing (and any formed like it). I am pretty sure that the question is NOT meant to demonstrate knowledge of the Taylor Polynomial or of paper folding techniques. I assume (but I could be wrong) that the exam would call on industry best or standard practices. I assume that most knowledgeable riggers would use a calculator (OK to bring to the test) or set of pocket tables (not OK) to solve this type of problem. Now, I have also read the ETCP Candidate handbook. The two items it states as suggestions under "WHAT TO BRING" are a "Calculator" and an "Architects Scale Rule." The only restriction is that "only silent non-programmable calculators without paper-tape printing capability are permitted...." I read that to say that the trig functions on the calculator are appropriate for use in the test. (I guess I will be buying a new calculator before I take the tests this summer since mine is programmable, and it sounds like the ones folks have been supplied with aren't all that useful!) I hope that someone with some detailed knowledge of the ETCP program can clarify this or perhaps point us in the proper direction. Fritz > -----Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:29:50 -0400 > From: Maia Robbins-Zust > Subject: Re: Rigging math > > "No they did not give you a protractor, graph paper or a > calculator that did trig." > > Actually, there were at least 3 questions on the exam that > needed trig functions on a calculator. And, oddly enough, > they gave us a piece of paper that had a list of the > definitions for Sine, Cos, Tan. etc. It was this piece of > paper that had me most confounded, since they obviously > expected us to be using trig functions to solve problems - > but there were no trig buttons on the cute little green > calculator with the big white ETCP logo on it. > > After wasting far to much time trying to draw vector diagrams > and invent new math (it's probably a good thing I didn't know > about the Taylor Polynomial equation) it finally occurred to > me that this was a first time exam and there was a place on > the back of the test answer sheet to write out what was wrong > with a particular question. So, after taking my best guess > on the answers, I filled out the back of the sheet. > Which must of worked, because I passed the test.... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060616063139.03c466a0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:52:16 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: AC Motor Noise In-Reply-To: References: A description of a few more symptoms would be helpful, but there are some things you can try. Acoustical noise that results from drive/motor resonance will usually not occur continuously. There will be set frequencies where this happens and those frequencies can be skipped by programming the drive. I concur that it sounds more like bearing failure, especially if the noise increases as the speed decreases. Stick the handle of a long screwdriver in your ear (I SAID HANDLE!) and use the tip to listen to different locations on the motor and the gearbox. That should reveal any bearing problems. My guess would be that the motor was not designed for variable frequency use and the motor's bearings have suffered from high-frequency arcing. This is a very common problem with variable frequency AC motor systems. Special bearings and grease (along with tougher insulation) are used in AC motors designed for variable frequency applications. You might check to see that there is oil in the gearbox (I know that sounds obvious, but the oil could have been pumped overboard through the vent). Also check that your gearbox is designed to run in the current orientation. Not all gearboxes can run in all positions. The oil may not be getting to where it needs to go. Winch motors are often mounted with the gearbox input shaft down. If you are using a Dayton gearbox from Grainger, that position may allow the oil to leak out past the input shaft seal. (Dayton recommends against that orientation for most of their gearboxes, but I have run them for years that way.) On the other hand, it could be that your hamster is tired and just complaining. Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060616065725.03c48020 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:12:42 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: AC motor noise In-Reply-To: References: On second thought. The GS2 drive is a simple V/Hz drive. When the frequency is reduced to slow the motor down, the voltage is increased to maintain torque (well, to maintain the current which produces the torque). It may be internal arcing, especially if it sounds like a monitor about to blow and especially at low frequencies. Does it smell funny? It will if it's arcing. Are you using AC line reactors? (You should.) Here is another test. Plug the motor directly into your 3 phase line. Then unplug it and let it coast to a stop. If it still makes noise it's probably the bearings. At 03:01 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: >I've got a three phase 1 1/2hp ac motor that is making an awful high >pitch squeal (the neighborhood dogs are not happy). It's mounted to a >40:1 c-face gear reducer and being run by an Automation Direct GS2 >drive. I think the noise is electrical but it's possible the noise is >coming from the gearbox. The sound is like an old computer monitor >that's about to crap out, but 100x louder. Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060616142501.37137.qmail [at] web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) In-Reply-To: A few years ago, after spending a day with Jon Primrose, designer at the University of Exeter, I got the impression that the British model of drama school uses far more cross-training than their US counterparts. While we in the US get the actors to take a shop practicum or two and the technicians to take an intro acting class, it seemed that the Exeter program (and likely others in the UK) was laid out a little more like a chore grid from home (you know; Janey sets the table, Bert taks out the trash, etc.). The students started production as a gang doing script analysis, then fanned out to do their "chores". The actor/technician divide was almost non-existant in the first year or two of study. Of course, I may have mis-understood what I saw... Paul > From: Phil Johnson > I just wanted to comment that after watching it the > British Theater > folks seem to be the most appreciative of the crew > and the designer > folks. Many British actors and performers I know > have mentioned how > important the component of tech was to their > training. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1620763440-1150471427-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-16458- [at] engine08-cell01> Reply-To: DONEARL01 [at] aol.com References:

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First of all, what Hp is the drive? To keep a motor running quieter, I = have found that you need to upsize the drive by one size and kick the pulse-width-modulation to a higher setting. This smoothes out the sine = wave that is being sent to the motor and should quiet down that noise. The GS2 is a great drive for the money, but it does not allow you to run = the PWM carrier frequency as high as a Mitzi or a Baldor. Check parameter = 2.08 and see if it is set to 12. If not, and if your drive is 2Hp or higher, kick 2.08 up to 12 and see if that reduces the noise. Also, how far is the motor from the drive, and do you have a line = reactor anywhere in the system? A line reactor between the drive and the motor = will enhance the waveforms from the drive, cut down the noise a bit, and = reduce motor overheating. A line reactor on the input side of the drive will reduce the harmonics and help to clean up any nasty power that might be coming in from the building. I actually use a GS1 (the GS2's little brother) for my motorized Beast spinners (used for spinning the Beast during his flying transformation = in Beauty and the Beast). However, as these units go all over the USA, I = have a line reactor upstream of the drive. Also, as the drive is often 100 = feet or more (due to cabling up into a fly tower and back down to a moving batten), a stick a line reactor between the drive and the motor as well. Clean power in and clean power out, and these puppies run super quiet = and super cool. One of my grad students recently developed a drive system that we = developed for our work in Asia and Europe that will allow any world power to be = tied in to run our USA purchased motor drives. We use line reactors on it as well and so far, it has performed flawlessly with 50 cycles and 60 = cycles, and all of the input voltages that have been throw at it, and our motors have functioned perfectly. You also did not mention what type of motor you are using. If it is not inverter-rated or inverter-duty, the GS2 might be doing some nasty = things to the internal wiring on the motor. Just for giggles, make sure that all parameters beginning with 0 are set = to the factory settings. That could possibly cause some extra noise. Tracy=A0Nunnally Technical Director / Associate Professor of Theatre Technology Northern Illinois University School of Theatre and Dance tnunnally [at] niu.edu Phone: 815-753-9342 Fax: 815-753-8415 www.niu.edu/theatre President - Hall Associates Flying Effects info [at] flyingfx.com Phone: 888-359-4255, Ext. 101 (888-FLY-HALL) Fax: 888-359-4255 www.flyingfx.com ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre and Arena " I've got a three phase 1 1/2hp ac motor that is making an awful high = pitch squeal (the neighborhood dogs are not happy). It's mounted to a 40:1 c-face gear reducer and being run by an Automation Direct GS2 = drive. I think the noise is electrical but it's possible the noise is coming from = the gearbox. The sound is like an old computer monitor that's about to crap = out, but 100x louder. Also, the noise gets louder when I reduce the motor = speed. Does anyone have any experience with these drives and could offer some troubleshooting advice." ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Hall Associates Flying Effects" Subject: Tenure Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:13:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all Please pardon the use of bandwidth for a quick note of self-exaltation. = I am now officially a TD with tenure :-). Tracy=A0Nunnally Technical Director / Associate Professor of Theatre Technology Northern Illinois University School of Theatre and Dance tnunnally [at] niu.edu Phone: 815-753-9342 Fax: 815-753-8415 www.niu.edu/theatre President - Hall Associates Flying Effects info [at] flyingfx.com Phone: 888-359-4255, Ext. 101 (888-FLY-HALL) Fax: 888-359-4255 www.flyingfx.com ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre and Arena ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:49:48 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tenure In-reply-to: Message-id: <4492E12C.5090808 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Hall Associates Flying Effects wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Please pardon the use of bandwidth for a quick note of self-exaltation. I > am now officially a TD with tenure :-). > > Tracy Nunnally > Technical Director / Associate Professor of Theatre Technology Way to go! Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980606161043v3dd8e017x5c8fdb30d1df6c05 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:43:11 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Cc: info [at] flyingfx.com Subject: Re: Tenure In-Reply-To: References:

Congratulations! -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: VERRRRRRRRRYYYYYY sore point with squeeks. There is an petition going around the sound list to try to change this egregious situation. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jeffrey > E. Salzberg > > I won't go into the sound not a category question. > > Sound's not a category? > > Do Chris Babbie and Charlie Richmond know about this? > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980606161132y474f5749ke0d2d2fdb31eba1a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:32:23 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Keeping track of student crew hours How are people keeping track of student's required crew hours? I have been looking into some software packages that deal with tracking timecards. Most are way over the top, but I have found some that deal with club type of membership and events tracking. I would prefer to use something online, that would allow students to check their accumulated time to date and also allow supervisors access as well. another exploration that I started is into software packages that would allow students to sign up for open slots in future work calls. Ideally, I would like to see an online calendar that I can list all the work calls for the semester and students can sign up in advance. The software would click off the slots and close a work call once it is filled. It would also alert the supervisor via an e-mail they could also attach an attendance sheet. any ideas or suggestions? -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606161138x3eafcae5u7f6be708bd953341 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:38:54 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Rigging Math In-Reply-To: References:

> Ain't math fun? Uh...let me think about that one............no. My head hurts now. I think I'll return to the volunteer study/research on "amount of beer sampled/needed to cure Prostate Cancer". That's way more fun! :) -SS TTS-EKU "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:45:08 -0400 Subject: Because in space.....etc...etc... (sound on Mars) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Now the sound guys are gonna want more gear! http://tinyurl.com/hssm2 -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606161140h2cd7c9dft9c5955418114af3b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:40:59 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. In-Reply-To: References: > This rather remarkable liquid nitrogen fogger does an entire hotel > swimming pool in one go..... > > http://www.break.com/index/liquidnitro.html You know, I saw this clip a few days ago and was going to post it. But I opted not to because of the crazy chick who gets topless and jumps in the pool. Oh well. Is cool though (pun/understatement). -SS TTS-EKU "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606161146u32e016cfm528b6a45b6f6819b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:46:50 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Tenure In-Reply-To: References:

> Please pardon the use of bandwidth for a quick note of self-exaltation. I > am now officially a TD with tenure :-). Congrats. That isn't an easy one to attain these days. TD's are the least likely to obtain tenure in the educational/theatrcial system/evnironment. Or so I have witnessed/heard/read. You go girl!! (whatever that means) :) -SS TTS-EKU "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606161211u6f3d86b9xab4016cbfc33dcc6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:11:21 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Keeping track of student crew hours In-Reply-To: References: > How are people keeping track of student's required crew hours? > I have been looking into some software packages that deal with > tracking timecards. Most are way over the top, but I have found some > that deal with club type of membership and events tracking. > I would prefer to use something online, that would allow students to > check their accumulated time to date and also allow supervisors access > as well. > any ideas or suggestions? Leaving computers/software out of the whole loop, we have handled this differently at each of the universities I have worked for. At my current haunt, the system they have used over the years is simply a punchcard machine. Old fashioned-Factory worker style!! The cards are kept in lock box. As long as someone is in the shop, the cards can be accessed by faculty and students who wish to monitor their hours. Add 'em up as you go. It promotes responsibility, and keeps 'em on their little toes. My prior school had many more students passing through for a variety of jobs (costume, lights, scene shop, etc.). Depending on the time of year, and which shop, it was handled differently. Usually though, what happened was when a student showed up to their respective shop to work, they checked in with the Foreman, Manager, whoever. That supervisor just kept a log. That way you were accounted for. If you had a question, just ask. The log was always obtainable/open for viewing, but usually never left the bosses hands. For a while everything was an honor system until students who didn't care about doing hours started signing in and leaving, then the TD finally realized "hey, you supposedly have 30 hours time put in, yet I have never seen you in the shop...hmmm". During the busy summer stock season, one person (me, the Production Coordinator) held a "master schedule" of who was supposed to be where and when. Everyone was required to sign in/out with me. If you didn't, you got a zero. If you were a "floater" you got assigned to the shop in need when you showed up for your shift. If you needed to adjust your schedule due to conflict or what have you, just like a real job...you again had to prove responsible....and go to your supervisor (boss) and tell them what was up. I will not bore you any longer with what the other colleges/schools did. All similar though. In short (too late :) I can say this; Just like a real job (depending on your field/status of course)--punch in, punch out. Your time is automatically calculated. There are no mistakes, issues, lies, or debates to be had. Instant answers!! I am not sure what your needs are, what freedoms your students have, how well trusted they are, and how many are running around the PACE Theatre Dept. That might change your views, hence why you are seeking the wisdom of others on the list. Along those lines, I am curious, unless it is run like in a retail outlet--where everyone clocks in/out on a register, or master computer, and it goes to "corporate", why the desire to make it computer based? Again, I am unaware of your situation, but what's wrong with paper and pencil? .02. HTH (maybe just a little?) -SS TTS-EKU "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:18:55 -0600 Message-ID: <018a01c69179$b698dee0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: And I believe when they opened L.A. City College program in the 60's and probably before, this was the rule .... everyone took all of the courses. Tech, etc. I had, at one time, more students there for their two year program ... the beginning of the National Theater Program at JFK Center for Performing Arts in Washington, D.C. Two of my students, took top honors, both years. The first and second year of its beginning. Whew. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Marsland Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:25 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A few years ago, after spending a day with Jon Primrose, designer at the University of Exeter, I got the impression that the British model of drama school uses far more cross-training than their US counterparts. While we in the US get the actors to take a shop practicum or two and the technicians to take an intro acting class, it seemed that the Exeter program (and likely others in the UK) was laid out a little more like a chore grid from home (you know; Janey sets the table, Bert taks out the trash, etc.). The students started production as a gang doing script analysis, then fanned out to do their "chores". The actor/technician divide was almost non-existant in the first year or two of study. Of course, I may have mis-understood what I saw... Paul > From: Phil Johnson > I just wanted to comment that after watching it the > British Theater > folks seem to be the most appreciative of the crew > and the designer > folks. Many British actors and performers I know > have mentioned how > important the component of tech was to their > training. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Hackman Message-ID: <2618.128.143.230.38.1150485669.squirrel [at] 216.30.207.10> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nunsense Puppet Hello all, I am in a bit of a bind... We (Heritage Repertory Theatre at the University of Virginia) are doing sense, opening Tuesday. We had arranged to purchase a Sister Mary Annette puppet from the original creator. He got our check a week and a half ago. He was to simply throw one his rental puppets in a box and send it to us. I spoke to him on Wednesday and he said it would be in the mail yesterday (Thursday). I spoke to him again a few minutes ago and now he says it will be in the mail tomorrow. Either way, I am kinda screwed at the moment. I have a call in at the other rental houses I can find it at and have not heard back from them. Unfortunately, our first choice is the option suggested by the Nunsense 'corporate office'. Can anybody point me to anyone helpful? Please reply all as I am a digester and this can't wait. Thanks for your help. Tom Hackman ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Keeping track of student crew hours Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:49 -0700 This looks interesting http://www.exaktime.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Parker" > > How are people keeping track of student's required crew hours? > I have been looking into some software packages that deal with > tracking timecards. Most are way over the top, but I have found some > that deal with club type of membership and events tracking. > I would prefer to use something online, that would allow students to > check their accumulated time to date and also allow supervisors access > as well. > another exploration that I started is into software packages that > would allow students to sign up for open slots in future work calls. > Ideally, I would like to see an online calendar that I can list all > the work calls for the semester and students can sign up in advance. > The software would click off the slots and close a work call once it > is filled. It would also alert the supervisor via an e-mail they could > also attach an attendance sheet. > > any ideas or suggestions? > > -- > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0606161253t3e8f74a1r32d60ccb5d37b793 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:53:43 -0400 From: SS Subject: For the Rube Goldberg Fans in the crowd tonight... 6 and 1 half mintues of Rube-ishness, all for some Ramen Noodles. College students on this list--watch and learn. (and nevermind that making them the real way only takes 2 minutes!!) :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kvdq8cRNBM -SS TTS-EKU "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: Keeping track of student crew hours Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I posted this question to a school tech list I am also on. The first sugestion was to look at outboard, a php app to track our student help desk workers. Peg in/out, administrator reports and even print time cards. http://www.aces.edu/~richardf/outboard/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Scott > Parker > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:32 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Keeping track of student crew hours > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > How are people keeping track of student's required crew hours? > I have been looking into some software packages that deal with > tracking timecards. Most are way over the top, but I have found some > that deal with club type of membership and events tracking. > I would prefer to use something online, that would allow students to > check their accumulated time to date and also allow supervisors access > as well. > another exploration that I started is into software packages that > would allow students to sign up for open slots in future work calls. > Ideally, I would like to see an online calendar that I can list all > the work calls for the semester and students can sign up in advance. > The software would click off the slots and close a work call once it > is filled. It would also alert the supervisor via an e-mail they could > also attach an attendance sheet. > > any ideas or suggestions? > > -- > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060616140438.00c07390 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:04:38 From: CB Subject: How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys >I haven't seen much commenting on the Tony awards, Did we agree to not >talk about them and I missed it. Because they are a polularity contest. Kinda like the US' 'World Championships' It isn't really legit unless everyone gets to compete, is it? >I won't go into the sound not a category question. Too late, Vy don' choo jus' give me some nice papeh cuts and poah lemon juice in 'em, vile you'ah addit? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4590d63e0606161332n30fc1cc3p8cba074b6a9d7ec4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:32:19 -0500 From: "Warren Stiles" Subject: Re: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. In-Reply-To: References:

This is similar in concept to the Mammoth Dry Fogger that Interesting Products sells. Different scale, but the output is about the same. What I find most amusing is that both the Mammoth fogger and the Bellagio fountain, the subject of last weeks video clip were developed by Jim Doyle at WET Design. I wonder which of his creations will be imitated next. G. Warren On 6/16/06, SS wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > This rather remarkable liquid nitrogen fogger does an entire hotel > > swimming pool in one go..... > > > > http://www.break.com/index/liquidnitro.html > > > You know, I saw this clip a few days ago and was going to post it. But > I opted not to because of the crazy chick who gets topless and jumps > in the pool. > > Oh well. Is cool though (pun/understatement). > > -SS > TTS-EKU > "if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCALATOR = EVERLASTING FUN" > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44931D7C.5080001 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:07:08 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Tenure References: In-Reply-To: Hall Associates Flying Effects wrote: > Hi all > > Please pardon the use of bandwidth for a quick note of self-exaltation. I > am now officially a TD with tenure :-). > > Tracy Nunnally > Technical Director / Associate Professor of Theatre Technology > Northern Illinois University School of Theatre and Dance I'm impressed!!!! After 3 years working at that place as M.E. I was ready to start killing people! 'course, most of them are not there any more! And your office is no longer a converted ladies room. If you take over the chair, I'll come back! Maybe not... Congratulations on great news!!! Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060616141651.00c07390 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:16:51 From: CB Subject: Re: Rigging Math >For an engineer this is part of the tools of the >trade. No tools, no work. In college every engineering test was >open book, you supply your own calculator. Granted, but it doesn't let them know what you can do without tools. If they want to know what you are capable of doing with the math in your head (i.e., what if you are stuck up in the rigging and soemthing comes up unexpected and you don't have those tools with you and you have to improvise... I dunno, make up your own believable scenario that sounds plausible to you.) College is college, real life is another thing altogether. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Chris Fretts Subject: RE: AC Motor Noise Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:21:06 -0400 Mark Engler wrote: >---------------------------------------------- > > I've got a three phase 1 1/2hp ac motor that is making an awful high > pitch squeal (the neighborhood dogs are not happy). It's mounted to a > 40:1 c-face gear reducer and being run by an Automation Direct GS2 > drive. I think the noise is electrical but it's possible the noise is > coming from the gearbox. The sound is like an old computer monitor > that's about to crap out, but 100x louder. Also, the noise gets louder > when I reduce the motor speed. Does anyone have any experience with > these drives and could offer some troubleshooting advice. > > Thanks > > ____________________________________ > Mark Engler > Technical Director > Department of Theatre > University of Minnesota Duluth > 218-726-8774 Mark, The high pitch frequency noise could be caused by the carrier frequency. That is the internal switching frequency of the inverter circuitry. It is called the carrier frequency because the lower AC output frequency of the inverter "rides" the carrier. A faint high-pitched sound in the RUn mode is characteristic of switching power supplies in general. (I didn't know all the details of this stuff off the top of my head but I do still have my manual!) We use the Hitachi L100 inverters from Automation Direct and there is a setting (B83) in the myriad of settings available that allows you to change that frequency. We have found that every application is slightly different. We have found that we can generally eliminate that noise by playing around with that frequency setting for a little bit. Hope this helps, Chris Chris Fretts Technical Director Indiana Repertory Theatre ------------------------------ From: "Julie Fox" Subject: RE: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c6918c$52efbd10$0701a8c0 [at] Pegasus650> In-Reply-To: Hi Paul, There's a lot of difference between different University Drama Depts - some are more academic than practical. There's an even greater difference between University Drama and Drama School in the UK. In general I wouldn't really consider University Drama to be either actor or technical training - and most of the accredited drama schools have both acting or technical degrees. Its not combined at all. Julie -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Marsland Sent: 16 June 2006 15:25 To: Stagecraft Subject: British Theatre (was - How Thanks is expressed on the Tonys) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A few years ago, after spending a day with Jon Primrose, designer at the University of Exeter, I got the impression that the British model of drama school uses far more cross-training than their US counterparts. While we in the US get the actors to take a shop practicum or two and the technicians to take an intro acting class, it seemed that the Exeter program (and likely others in the UK) was laid out a little more like a chore grid from home (you know; Janey sets the table, Bert taks out the trash, etc.). The students started production as a gang doing script analysis, then fanned out to do their "chores". The actor/technician divide was almost non-existant in the first year or two of study. Of course, I may have mis-understood what I saw... Paul > From: Phil Johnson > I just wanted to comment that after watching it the > British Theater > folks seem to be the most appreciative of the crew > and the designer > folks. Many British actors and performers I know > have mentioned how > important the component of tech was to their > training. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00f201c6918e$d0f2bb70$4c68ff0a [at] Klyphsmachine> From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: Louisville, very OT. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:49:59 -0400 Sorry for the bandwidth folks. I was wondering if there was anyone on the list in the Louisville, KY area that might be willing to do me an odd favor. A friend of mine directed one of the Ten Minute Plays at Humana in March, and I wanted to get a copy of this year's Humana Festival poster for her. I would be willing to send a check to cover the poster, shipping, and several adult beverages of your choice to anyone who would be willing to check the ATL box office and see if any are still available. TIA Klyph "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:46 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Concerns me that the only safety precaution the guy took was a bath towel to guard against his bowl of LN!! Think he was lucky not to lose a finger or two!! TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Clive > Mitchell > Sent: 15 June 2006 19:39 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: New style liquid nitrogen fogger. > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This rather remarkable liquid nitrogen fogger does an entire hotel > swimming pool in one go..... > > http://www.break.com/index/liquidnitro.html > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:41:44 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: J.R. Clancy Rigging Writer I have been playing with the J.R. Clancy Rigging Writer today. It might be of interest to some folks on the list. There is a lot of good information hidden in the files if you look hard enough. Get it free at: http://www.jrclancy.com/riggingwriter.htm -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:40:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Rigging Math From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sigh. I've been down this road before. If you have questions about the ETCP Certification that re not being answered by the Candidate Handbook, the very, very best place to get those questions answered is at the EDTCP (go figure) You can call Katie Geraghty at 212.244.1505 or email her at kgeraghty [at] esta.org. I do not see where speculation is helpful. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 6/16/06 9:11 AM, "Fritz Schwentker" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Maia brings up an interesting point here. > > So, I want to understand more fully the intent of the exam problem we have > been discussing (and any formed like it). I am pretty sure that the question > is NOT meant to demonstrate knowledge of the Taylor Polynomial or of paper > folding techniques. I assume (but I could be wrong) that the exam would call > on industry best or standard practices. I assume that most knowledgeable > riggers would use a calculator (OK to bring to the test) or set of pocket > tables (not OK) to solve this type of problem. > > Now, I have also read the ETCP Candidate handbook. The two items it states > as suggestions under "WHAT TO BRING" are a "Calculator" and an "Architects > Scale Rule." The only restriction is that "only silent non-programmable > calculators without paper-tape printing capability are permitted...." I read > that to say that the trig functions on the calculator are appropriate for > use in the test. > > (I guess I will be buying a new calculator before I take the tests this > summer since mine is programmable, and it sounds like the ones folks have > been supplied with aren't all that useful!) > > I hope that someone with some detailed knowledge of the ETCP program can > clarify this or perhaps point us in the proper direction. > > > Fritz > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:29:50 -0400 >> From: Maia Robbins-Zust >> Subject: Re: Rigging math >> >> "No they did not give you a protractor, graph paper or a >> calculator that did trig." >> >> Actually, there were at least 3 questions on the exam that >> needed trig functions on a calculator. And, oddly enough, >> they gave us a piece of paper that had a list of the >> definitions for Sine, Cos, Tan. etc. It was this piece of >> paper that had me most confounded, since they obviously >> expected us to be using trig functions to solve problems - >> but there were no trig buttons on the cute little green >> calculator with the big white ETCP logo on it. >> >> After wasting far to much time trying to draw vector diagrams >> and invent new math (it's probably a good thing I didn't know >> about the Taylor Polynomial equation) it finally occurred to >> me that this was a first time exam and there was a place on >> the back of the test answer sheet to write out what was wrong >> with a particular question. So, after taking my best guess >> on the answers, I filled out the back of the sheet. >> Which must of worked, because I passed the test.... > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #847 *****************************