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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 31617410; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:02:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, DRUGS_ERECTILE,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #859 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:02:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #859 1. Re: Lawsuit over welding fumes by Stuart Wheaton 2. Re: Good to be back by "Andrew Nikel" 3. Re: Good to be back by "Delbert Hall" 4. Re: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 5. Re: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) by Charlie Richmond 6. Re: Good to be back by Steve Shelley 7. Top Hats by Christopher Burkholder 8. Re: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) by Clive Mitchell 9. Re: ETC Express tutorial by "Delbert Hall" 10. Truss in VA by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: a rant about magazine editors by Andy Ciddor 12. Re: a rant about magazine editors by Charlie Richmond 13. Re: ETC Express tutorial by Bruce Purdy 14. Re: a rant about magazine editors by Andy Ciddor 15. Re: a rant about magazine editors by "Jon Ares" 16. Re: ETC Express tutorial by Steve Larson 17. Re: ETC Express tutorial by Stephen Litterst 18. Re: ETC Express tutorial by "Jon Ares" 19. Re: a rant about magazine editors by Andy Ciddor 20. British Newspapers from 1935 by Actors Theatre Playhouse 21. Re: Top Hats by John McKernon 22. Re: British Newspapers from 1935 by "Dre Suchoski" 23. Re: ETC Express tutorial by stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com 24. Re: ETC Express tutorial by stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com 25. High capacity NiMh cells. by Clive Mitchell 26. Re: ETC Express tutorial by Clive Mitchell 27. Re: Focus Track by Jim Hyslop 28. Re: High capacity NiMh cells. by "Steven Haworth" 29. Re: ETC Express tutorial by Bruce Purdy 30. Re: ETC Express tutorial by "Klyph Stanford" 31. Re: High capacity NiMh cells. by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 32. Re: -SPAM- (5.7): Re: High capacity NiMh cells. by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 33. Re: ETC Express tutorial by stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com 34. OT: GFCI outlets by James Feinberg 35. Re: ETC Express tutorial by 36. Re: GFCI outlets by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 37. Re: Good to be back by Herrick Goldman 38. Re: High capacity NiMh cells. by Clive Mitchell 39. Re: GFCI outlets by Greg Persinger 40. Re: GFCI outlets by Greg Persinger 41. Re: Truss in VA by Brian James 42. Re: Truss in VA by "greggx4 [at] mac.com" 43. Re: GFCI outlets by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 44. Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 45. Re: GFCI outlets by Clive Mitchell 46. Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. by Clive Mitchell 47. device disconnects by Jerry Durand 48. OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Bruce Purdy 49. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Jerry Durand 50. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Bill Sapsis 51. Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) by "Michael Powers" 52. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Bruce Purdy 53. Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) by Dale Farmer 54. Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) by "Michael Powers" 55. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by "John Penisten" 56. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Michael de Almeida 57. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Michael de Almeida 58. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Michael de Almeida 59. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Jerry Durand 60. Re: Tutorial for ETC Express by "Alf Sauve" 61. Re: Question for fellow Macheads by "RD" 62. Re: Tutorial for ETC Express by Andrew Vance 63. Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads by Andrew Vance 64. Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. by Greg Persinger *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <44A2572D.3010802 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:17:17 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Lawsuit over welding fumes References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > Since the topic of welding fumes has come up various > times on this list, I thought others might be > interested in this article: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13281448/from/ET/ > > It will bear watching to see what comes of it. What came of it was that the Jury ruled that welding rod manufacturers are NOT responsible for this case of Parkinson's. Considering that there is no conclusive medical evidence that Mn exposure causes Parkinson's and less proof that if it does it came from welding rods in his case, there really was no other option. Another waste of thousands of dollars looking for deep pockets and somebody to blame. Stuart -- Why does an unmarried conservative who advocates 'abstinence only' education for our kids and African AIDS prevention need Viagra? ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Nikel" Subject: Re: Good to be back Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: Welcome back, Joe. I'd been wondering what IMCD was for. I think I know everything I need to about beer and scotch, though I realize I'm in a minority here. ;-) Andrew >Besides, one can never know too much about beer and scotch. > >It's good to be back. > >Joe ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:40:59 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Good to be back In-Reply-To: References: Welcome back Joe. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <032001c69aaf$ea4bd370$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > enthusiastic patron of the arts) - but this writer actually > is an independent filmmaker, and has written quite a lot for > Videography, and many other journals. > > So... shame on her. :) And shame on whoever should have > been the editor of the original story. Though OT for this list, this is a serious problem for writers. I've written a number of articles over the past couple of years (and have two in the pipeline right now). I have not had a single publication that didn't suffer errors introduced by the publisher (NOT ONE!). I wouldn't be surprised, for example, if I submitted "1000W lamp" and it got changed to "100W" lamp. The editor might think, "I've never seen a 1000W lamp at the local grocery store -- he must mean 100W". Among the worst cases for me: I've had DC changed to AC, and wired changed to unwired; the meaning of those paragraphs ended up completely twisted. When I see this stuff in print I run back to my original file and always find that I submitted the correct term. The rest of the world sees a glaring, often idiotic error with my name all over it. It makes my blood boil. Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Jim at TheatreWireless.com wrote: > When I see this stuff in print I run back to my original file and always > find that I submitted the correct term. The rest of the world sees a > glaring, often idiotic error with my name all over it. It makes my blood > boil. I agree completely and am now glad I don't contribute any more. It got to be totally frustrating. Much better to have complete control even if the distribution isn't as widespread. But I'm very sympathetic to the plight of publications now that the web provides so much more instant information. Charlie | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:30:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Good to be back From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello joe; Good to hear from you. I think I joined the list after your departure. Congrats on the degree and the new shingle. Shelley On 6/27/06 10:42 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings to all my old stagecraft friends, and how-do to all those new folks > since i was last on "the list." > > Since I was last here, I have left my old company (those of you who know where > I was know its name, for the rest of you, I have no desire to promote it) as > of the first of this year. I have since started my own lighting design firm > called IMCD Lighting. > > IMCD -- Intensity | Movement | Color | Distribution -- The Qualities of Light > for those of you who don't remember (or never knew) your Stanley McCandless. > For those of you who don't, Frank (if he's still around) can certainly explain > everything you ever wanted to know about McCandless. > > I just finished my MBA from the Executive program at the Stern School of > Business (NYU) where I studied with a good friend of Herrick's (small world). > So now I have the business learning (MBA) to go with my artistic education > (MFA, UVa). Hopefull it will yield a good combo. > > However, I don't consider my education done and in running this company, I > need to stay abreast of the latest in design and tech, plus keeping aware of > all the newest safety techniques, therefore I turn once again to Stagecraft. > > Besides, one can never know too much about beer and scotch. > > It's good to be back. > > Joe > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > > -- Steve Shelley 843.588.6417 beach til 7/1 MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Subject: Top Hats Message-ID: From: Christopher Burkholder Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:20:00 -0400 I was wandering if anyone had run into a top hat for a 6" frame that where the base plate is an enlarged donut. I would like to get a few more to match but my distributors have never heard of such a thing. could anyone point me toward a brand for this item. Please help. Christopher J. Burkholder Lighting & Audio Coordinator cburkhol [at] american.edu Phone: (202) 885-3417 Fax: (202) 885-7831 Greenberg Theatre 4200 Wisconsin Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20016-8149 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:39:40 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors (was: Leico light? ) References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim at TheatreWireless.com writes >Among the worst cases for me: I've had DC changed to AC, and wired >changed to unwired; the meaning of those paragraphs ended up completely >twisted. When I see this stuff in print I run back to my original file >and always find that I submitted the correct term. The rest of the >world sees a glaring, often idiotic error with my name all over it. It >makes my blood boil. I think it's just down to the non technical mind of the person editing the article. It must just appear like boring gibberish to them. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:44:00 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c69a72$bac6d560$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> Thanks everyone. I think the problem I was caused by the board op (her first show)running a cue in the C/D fader by mistake, and when we tried to record new cues, it took the higher level of the channels in this fader (so my cues from one point on stopped recording as I intended them). This is the first show I have designed light for in a couple of years and I just did not see the problem at the time (just too tied I guess). Many thanks to everyone who responded and especially Jeff Salzberg. -Delbert ------------------------------ Subject: Truss in VA Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CC4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Anyone know of anyone who would rent triangle truss in SW Virginia? Looking for a very small rental for a time around October... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060629004609.03474c30 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:00 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors In-Reply-To: References:

At 00:39 29.06.2006, Big Clive wrote: >In message , Jim at TheatreWireless.com > writes >> When I see this stuff in print I run back to my original file and >> always find that I submitted the correct term. The rest of the >> world sees a glaring, often idiotic error with my name all over >> it. It makes my blood boil. > >I think it's just down to the non technical mind of the person >editing the article. It must just appear like boring gibberish to them. I have had the privilege to write about technical production for many magazines over the last decade or so. Most of my editors have had the good sense to recognize their technical limitations and keep their hands off the technical content (if it was beyond them), whilst trimming my work to size, or just making the language a bit racier than my sometimes overcareful prose. The best of them send me the final edit for checking before publication. Just last week I caught an "ever" that had somehow transmogrified into "never" and thus would have totally negated my meaning. Thankfully this was rectified before going out to every TV station in the US. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:05:24 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Andy Ciddor wrote: > The best of them send me the final edit for checking before publication. Just > last week I caught an "ever" that had somehow transmogrified into "never" and > thus would have totally negated my meaning. Thankfully this was rectified > before going out to every TV station in the US. You are very lucky. Most of the time the editors I've worked 'with' simply said their production schedule didn't permit having the authors do the final edit. I often declined to submit anything simply because of the errors I had experienced in the past. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:59:51 -0400 Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I think the problem I was caused by the board op > (her first show)running a cue in the C/D fader by mistake, and when we > tried to record new cues, it took the higher level of the channels in > this fader (so my cues from one point on stopped recording as I > intended them). That has bit me in the butt a time or two. The first time, after designing the lights, I had an inexperienced board op run the cues whilst I ran the flies. Some lights kept showing up in cues where they shouldn't have been, and I was sweating bullets backstage trying to figure from, how I might have miss-programmed the cues. Later that night, after everyone had gone home, I ran all cues to see which ones were wrong, but every one was perfect. I finally figured out that the Op had pressed the wrong "Go" button at least once, and that cue didn't go away. I immediately crafted a box (Out of an old cardboard box that Bic pens came in and Gaff tape) and covered the other sliders and all associated buttons. Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the other Go button? It's just too easy a mistake to make! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060629010803.067402f0 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:13:15 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:05 29.06.2006, Charlie wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Andy Ciddor wrote: > >>The best of them send me the final edit for checking before >>publication. Just last week I caught an "ever" that had somehow >>transmogrified into "never" and thus would have totally negated my >>meaning. Thankfully this was rectified before going out to every TV >>station in the US. > >You are very lucky. Most of the time the editors I've worked 'with' >simply said their production schedule didn't permit having the >authors do the final edit. I often declined to submit anything >simply because of the errors I had experienced in the past. They do the final edit. I just get that edit/galley for a final proof read and idiot check. I really have to work hard to make a case to do anything more than correct errors or omissions as it's usually in final layout by then. Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c69ac5$b1ea1260$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:15:30 -0700 > The best of them send me the final edit for checking before publication. > Just last week I caught an "ever" that had somehow transmogrified into > "never" and thus would have totally negated my meaning. Thankfully this > was rectified before going out to every TV station in the US. Andy, I have enjoyed your column in TV Tech for years, and I have to say, that particular mag definitely lets the 'pros' tell it right. I suspect they have editors and such that are a little more sensitive to the industry, and as you wrote, they respect the author enough to let them have one final look. This is a good thing. :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:22:05 -0400 Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I solved that problem by taping a small plastic rectangular box over the C/D controls. Now- no problem. Steve > From: Bruce Purdy > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:59:51 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I think the problem I was caused by the board op >> (her first show)running a cue in the C/D fader by mistake, and when we >> tried to record new cues, it took the higher level of the channels in >> this fader (so my cues from one point on stopped recording as I >> intended them). > > That has bit me in the butt a time or two. The first time, after > designing the lights, I had an inexperienced board op run the cues whilst I > ran the flies. > > Some lights kept showing up in cues where they shouldn't have been, and > I was sweating bullets backstage trying to figure from, how I might have > miss-programmed the cues. Later that night, after everyone had gone home, I > ran all cues to see which ones were wrong, but every one was perfect. > > I finally figured out that the Op had pressed the wrong "Go" button at > least once, and that cue didn't go away. I immediately crafted a box (Out of > an old cardboard box that Bic pens came in and Gaff tape) and covered the > other sliders and all associated buttons. > > Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the other Go button? It's > just too easy a mistake to make! > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > The Smith Opera House > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:26:56 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial In-reply-to: Message-id: <44A29FC0.4080704 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Bruce Purdy wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I finally figured out that the Op had pressed the wrong "Go" button at > least once, and that cue didn't go away. I immediately crafted a box (Out of > an old cardboard box that Bic pens came in and Gaff tape) and covered the > other sliders and all associated buttons. > > Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the other Go button? It's > just too easy a mistake to make! I used to solve the problem with a piece of cardboard but now I solve it by using a Strand that allows me to disable the unused go button. :-D Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c69ac8$4e7931e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:34:12 -0700 > I used to solve the problem with a piece of cardboard but now I solve it > by using a Strand that allows me to disable the unused go button. :-D Kind of an expensive fix. :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060629012134.038f86e8 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:34:34 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: a rant about magazine editors In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:15 29.06.2006, Jon Ares wrote: >Andy, I have enjoyed your column in TV Tech for years, and I have to >say, that particular mag definitely lets the 'pros' tell it >right. I suspect they have editors and such that are a little more >sensitive to the industry, and as you wrote, they respect the author >enough to let them have one final look. This is a good thing. :) Thanks Jon. I'm glad to know that SOMEONE reads the column :-) From reading her journalistic contributions to the magazine, my current editor seems to be an expert in US media policy and politics, but has the good judgement to only hassle me about deadlines and make my work more readable. Unless I say something really provocative or use language that doesn't make sense to US readers, she generally doesn't interfere with the lighting content. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20060628113907.01da74b0 [at] mail.sover.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:40:33 -0400 From: Actors Theatre Playhouse Subject: British Newspapers from 1935 Hi......New to the list.......Doing a production that requires quite a few Daily Newspapers from Britain circa 1935. Any and all suggestions are welcome... Many Thanks in Advance.... Sam at the Actors Theatre Playhouse, Brattleboro, Vermont ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:48:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Top Hats From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I was wandering if anyone had run into a top hat for a 6" frame that where > the base plate is an enlarged donut. I would like to get a few more to > match but my distributors have never heard of such a thing. > could anyone point me toward a brand for this item. City Theatrical can make them for you, and even for custom things like this their prices are very reasonable. They made Ken Billington and I a bunch of odd top hats for in-ground MR-16's and the price was only slightly above the price for a regular top hat. Worth a try in any case - - John McKernon ------------------------------ Subject: RE: British Newspapers from 1935 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F738C4E6 [at] stage.OTC.local> In-Reply-To: From: "Dre Suchoski" Sam, I have used Google for most of my newspaper searches, especially for headlines and newspaper names. There are also sites that sell vintage/antique papers online (check out rarenewspapers.com), with fairly good jpegs of the pages. I also have a jpeg fabricated 1940s London Times that you are welcome to; if you are interested contact me off list and I'll see if I can email it to you (it's about 24"x36", standard size for our plotter). There's also a place out in California that will print out newspapers for you, but I haven't worked with them to know about prices, etc. Earl Hayes Press, 818.765.0700, talk to Ralph Hernandez Jr. Good luck! Dre Suchoski, Properties Artisan, Olney Theatre Center -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Actors Theatre Playhouse Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: British Newspapers from 1935 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi......New to the list.......Doing a production that requires quite a few Daily Newspapers from Britain circa 1935. Any and all suggestions are welcome... Many Thanks in Advance.... Sam at the Actors Theatre Playhouse, Brattleboro, Vermont ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2134.68.237.72.209.1151510694.squirrel [at] server2.hostingplex.com> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com >> Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the other Go button? >> It's >> just too easy a mistake to make! > > > I used to solve the problem with a piece of cardboard but now I solve it > by using a Strand that allows me to disable the unused go button. One of the great things about our industry is the way third-party vendors offer accessories that make our lives easier. John McKernon mentioned City Theatrical, and of course Rosco and GAM make many useful products. In this case, the most useful solution comes from, of all people, the Coca-Cola company.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2130.68.237.72.209.1151510695.squirrel [at] server2.hostingplex.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com >> Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the other Go button? >> It's >> just too easy a mistake to make! > > > I used to solve the problem with a piece of cardboard but now I solve it > by using a Strand that allows me to disable the unused go button. One of the great things about our industry is the way third-party vendors offer accessories that make our lives easier. John McKernon mentioned City Theatrical, and of course Rosco and GAM make many useful products. In this case, the most useful solution comes from, of all people, the Coca-Cola company.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:43:13 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: High capacity NiMh cells. Given the relatively huge energy capacity of modern NiMh rechargeable batteries, I've always wondered if it was possible for them to simply fail internally and do something nasty. So there I am, sitting in my workshop and preparing a new page for my website. I've been taking digital photo's showing the step by step assembly of a PCB when I turn my camera on again to take another shot and it announces that the battery is low. No problem. I just open the batter cover and drop the two AA size Vapextech 2400mAh cells into my open hand. However, one is hot. I'm thinking that it's odd because the camera doesn't draw enough current to make a battery heat up like that. Then I notice it's getting hotter and the heatshrink sleeve is starting to distort.... I promptly grab the nearest metal container, throw the battery in and put a cover over it! That's the first time I've ever had a rechargeable battery fail in a catastrophic manner without any form of external damage. If I hadn't picked up the camera at that point it could have caused thermal damage or even exploded inside? As it is it didn't explode and after peaking at a high temperature it cooled back down again. A quick capacity test on it's partner suggested it would have had 500mAh of energy left at the point of failure. Not nice. Not nice at all. The rest of the Vapextech batteries are going in the bin. I wonder if there's a price to pay for extra high capacity. Perhaps they compromise on internal insulation to make room for more chemistry in the cell. If that's the case then it might be a valid point for choosing a lower capacity cell like a 1800mAh type on the basis that it may be more reliable in the long run. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9lNaLhE8KroEFwfi [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:47:56 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial References:

In-Reply-To: In message , stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes >In this case, the most useful solution comes from, of all people, the >Coca-Cola company.... You couldn't imagine how many bottle caps are stuck in place over dodgy buttons around the world. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44A27B41.3020803 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Focus Track References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sheesh. Can't get away with anything around here:-) One word: crop (and I ain't referring to farming :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Subject: RE: High capacity NiMh cells. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA4A8 [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" Or maybe it's just cheap manufacturing? I think it's pretty clear that the cheap overseas after-market batteries are sometimes cheap and poorly made. And yes, w/this kind of energy, cheaply made probably means unsafe. I bought some 750mA NiMh batteries for my cell, and found their time was lousy. We went back to OEM-supplied batteries, although they were more expensive. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info =20 >No problem. I just open the batter cover and drop the two AA=20 >size Vapextech 2400mAh cells into my open hand. However, one=20 >is hot. I'm thinking that it's odd because the camera doesn't=20 >draw enough current to make a battery heat up like that. Then=20 >I notice it's getting hotter and the heatshrink sleeve is=20 >starting to distort.... I promptly grab the nearest metal=20 >container, throw the battery in and put a cover over it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:05:37 -0400 Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > In this case, the most useful solution comes from, of all people, the > Coca-Cola company.... Although I honestly haven't tried it, and am out of the Theatre for the next couple of days, It seems to me that the Express buttons are a bit large for a bottle cap to cover. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00f001c69ad6$c243a610$7268ff0a [at] Klyphsmachine> From: "Klyph Stanford" References:

Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:15:56 -0400 Jeff Salzberg writes: >>In this case, the most useful solution comes from, of all people, the >>Coca-Cola company.... Clive Mitchell replies: > You couldn't imagine how many bottle caps are stuck in place over dodgy > buttons around the world. :) > > -- Clive, I believe Jeff was refering to pouring the contents of the bottle into the console. At least that is what I have wanted to do with every Express I have ever encountered ;) Klyph "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net > ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: High capacity NiMh cells. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c69ad9$1c99cca0$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > No problem. I just open the batter cover and drop the two AA > size Vapextech 2400mAh cells into my open hand. However, one > is hot. I'm thinking that it's odd because the camera > doesn't draw enough current to make a battery heat up like > that. Then I notice it's getting hotter and the heatshrink > sleeve is starting to distort.... Definitely rare. Possibly a case of "cell reversal", though your circumstances are not typical. Any chance that one battery was much more charged than the other? If so, the weak one could have gone into reversal, promptly heating up and venting hydrogen (oxygen if it were NiCD). In that case, the heat actually came from the other battery, not the failed one. More info about cell reversal can be found at: http://www.camlight.com/techinfo/whydischarge_4.html http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/nickelmetalhydride_appman.pdf (brief mention on page 14) Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: -SPAM- (5.7): Re: High capacity NiMh cells. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c69adb$7c308df0$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > and venting hydrogen (oxygen if it were NiCD). In that case, > the heat actually came from the other battery, not the failed one. Of course, I meant "the energy that made the heat" came from the other battery. The reversed battery is the one that gets hot. :) Jim ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2865.68.36.236.18.1151520230.squirrel [at] server2.hostingplex.com> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial From: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com > I believe Jeff was refering to pouring the contents of the bottle into the > console. Nah, I'm fairly fond of the Express. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7479BE53-41B0-4D19-8AB2-E4D58B7822E6 [at] sandiego.edu> From: James Feinberg Subject: OT: GFCI outlets Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:47:04 -0700 Sorry for the bandwidth, but I have a feeling that the answers I seek (or those with the answers) are here on this list... I understand that code allows replacement of old two-prong household outlets with GFCI outlets without any additional wiring, and the GFCI will also protect downstream outlets. I've been led to believe that I can then replace the downstream outlets with regular grounded outlets as long as I mark them as "GFCI Protected" and "No Equipment Ground." Now we get to the tricky part, and it's two-fold. If I can indeed use a grounded outlet without connecting the ground to anything, just connecting the hot and neutral to the load buss of the GFCI via the existing 14/2 romex, can I also leave my ungrounded outlet in the wall and use one of those otherwise unsafe three-to-two "ground lift" adaptors? And the second part, how is the user protected against electrocution (due to the hot shorting against the chassis) by the GFCI if the ground isn't connected to earth? What point does the ground pin on the plug serve in this case? Thanks for helping to clear this up, --James Feinberg San Diego, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060628185831.26655.qmail [at] web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: ETC Express tutorial In-Reply-To: My solution is I am right handed so I use the "GO" button ont the right (C/D). When somebody else is running board I get them to do the same. Ken Z --- Steve Larson wrote: > > I solved that problem by taping a small > plastic rectangular box over the C/D > controls. Now- no problem. > > Steve > > > From: Bruce Purdy > > Is there a way I haven't found yet to disable the > other Go button? It's > > just too easy a mistake to make! > > > > Bruce > > > > -- > > Bruce Purdy > > Technical Director > > The Smith Opera House > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: GFCI outlets Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c69ae5$a623a520$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > I've been led to believe that I can then replace the > downstream outlets with regular grounded outlets as long as I > mark them as "GFCI Protected" and "No Equipment Ground." You need 3 wires running to the downstream outlets. The ground terminals must return to the GFI ground. It becomes a sort of "local ground". > Now we get to the tricky part, and it's two-fold. If I can > indeed use a grounded outlet without connecting the ground to > anything, You can NOT do this. > just connecting the hot and neutral to the load > buss of the GFCI via the existing 14/2 romex, can I also > leave my ungrounded outlet in the wall and use one of those > otherwise unsafe three-to-two "ground lift" > adaptors? No. The ground terminals must be connected back to the GFI device. > And the second part, how is the user protected against > electrocution (due to the hot shorting against the chassis) > by the GFCI if the ground isn't connected to earth? What > point does the ground pin on the plug serve in this case? The GFI detects current flow through it's local ground terminal. If current flows through ground (a Ground Fault), the breaker opens and stops all power (an Interrupt): GFI (Ground Fault Interrupt). If the ground is not connected, there is no protection. Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:42:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Good to be back From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey Joe, Welcome back! Hmmm I.M.C.D. I-am-Seedy? Your Mcandless goes with my Mintzer "am I a lighting designer? See-If-I-Am" Color, Form, Intensity, Movement No matter it's the same qualities. Welcome back to the endless alcohol, theater safety discussion. :) -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0zW4+bGRttoEFwfZ [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:41:05 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: High capacity NiMh cells. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim at TheatreWireless.com writes >Definitely rare. Possibly a case of "cell reversal", though your >circumstances are not typical. Any chance that one battery was much >more charged than the other? If so, the weak one could have gone into >reversal, promptly heating up and venting hydrogen (oxygen if it were >NiCD). In that case, the heat actually came from the other battery, >not the failed one. There were only two cells. One had plenty of power left to go into self destruct mode at high temperature, and the other still clocked 500mAh on my battery capacity tester. (Times full discharge with controlled current.) The battery was definitely getting very hot all on it's own. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:34 -0500 Subject: Re: GFCI outlets From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jim, I don't think your answer is correct. NEC has made a provision in which you can use GFCI outlets in place of a grounded system in older homes originally wired with two conductors and no ground wire. Currently I do not have my code book with me so I can't tell you where this is in NEC but I know it is there. Although you can install GFCI outlets in this manner it is not ideal. The GFCI outlet requires current running to ground to create the imbalance of the current flowing in the hot and the neutral conductors. When the GFCI outlet has a ground, anytime there is a short the GFCI will trip and shut off the current to the device. In a GFCI outlet that does not have a ground a short in the electrical device will not trip the GFCI. Instead a person touching the live case of the device and then touching something that is grounded causes a short to ground, through their body, unbalancing the current and tripping open the GFCI. Essentially the person using the defective device becomes the ground. Granted without the ground you are relying on the GFCI outlets electronics to trip before the person is injured or dies in a fault condition, and although you can argue that the GFCI electronics are a point of failure (which they are) and that this shouldn't be done, having a protection device that probably will work is still better than having no protection at all. As far as the GFCI protecting downstream devices that would be a code issue. If I find the NEC reference I will pass it on. Greg Persinger on 6/28/06 2:04 PM, Jim at TheatreWireless.com at stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I've been led to believe that I can then replace the >> downstream outlets with regular grounded outlets as long as I >> mark them as "GFCI Protected" and "No Equipment Ground." > > You need 3 wires running to the downstream outlets. The ground terminals > must return to the GFI ground. It becomes a sort of "local ground". > > >> Now we get to the tricky part, and it's two-fold. If I can >> indeed use a grounded outlet without connecting the ground to >> anything, > > You can NOT do this. > > >> just connecting the hot and neutral to the load >> buss of the GFCI via the existing 14/2 romex, can I also >> leave my ungrounded outlet in the wall and use one of those >> otherwise unsafe three-to-two "ground lift" >> adaptors? > > No. The ground terminals must be connected back to the GFI device. > > >> And the second part, how is the user protected against >> electrocution (due to the hot shorting against the chassis) >> by the GFCI if the ground isn't connected to earth? What >> point does the ground pin on the plug serve in this case? > > The GFI detects current flow through it's local ground terminal. If current > flows through ground (a Ground Fault), the breaker opens and stops all power > (an Interrupt): GFI (Ground Fault Interrupt). > > If the ground is not connected, there is no protection. > > Jim > RC4 Wireless > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:38:20 -0500 Subject: Re: GFCI outlets From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: NEC Reference 2005 NEC Section 406.3 section D Point 3C Greg Persinger on 6/28/06 3:01 PM, Greg Persinger at greg [at] vividillumination.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jim, > > I don't think your answer is correct. > > NEC has made a provision in which you can use GFCI outlets in place of a > grounded system in older homes originally wired with two conductors and no > ground wire. Currently I do not have my code book with me so I can't tell > you where this is in NEC but I know it is there. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44A2E9AB.7070806 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:42:19 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Truss in VA References: In-Reply-To: Stage Sound in Roanoke, Virginia 540-777-3956. I know they have some triangle truss, but not sure how much. Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone know of anyone who would rent triangle truss in SW Virginia? > Looking for a very small rental for a time around October... > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <86B5E4C4-A751-46A7-9AE7-B40B41D492A3 [at] mac.com> From: "greggx4 [at] mac.com" Subject: Re: Truss in VA Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:56:16 -0400 You might also try Backstage, INC in Richmond, or ON-STAGE GEAR, with offices in Richmond and Manteo, NC. Don't have either phone number handy, but will be home tomorrow and can dig them up. Richmond is not quite SW VA, but either of these places might be able to help. g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Brian James wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stage Sound in Roanoke, Virginia > 540-777-3956. > > I know they have some triangle truss, but not sure how much. > > Paul Schreiner wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Anyone know of anyone who would rent triangle truss in SW Virginia? >> Looking for a very small rental for a time around October... >> >> ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: GFCI outlets Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c69afe$910d3390$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > Jim, > > I don't think your answer is correct. Perhaps not... And I don't have a copy of the NEC at hand, so I can't look up your reference. Still, the underlying principles seem pretty straight-forward to me... You will only suffer electric shock if (1) a person is holding a device that becomes live where it is being held, and (2) the person is grounded. To meet UL/CSA/TUV/etc. safety codes, 2-prong devices must be double insulated. This makes it virtually impossible for the outer case or any exposed metal parts to ever become live, protecting the user even if they are grounded. Meanwhile, 3-prong devices are not usually double-insulated but the casing and exposed metal parts must be bonded to ground. If current flows to the case it will trip the breaker. If the ground is lifted, and a fault occurs that makes the case live, it will be a hazard. A double-insulated device like a hairdryer can still pose a risk if it is, say, dropped into a bathtub full of water. The water is grounded through the drain pipe, and the heating coils are live. Water will get to those coils, and the water is a path to ground. A person in the bathtub might suffer a shock. I'm tempted to do a controlled experiment to see if a GFCI trips in this case; I think it might not. > NEC has made a provision in which you can use GFCI outlets in > place of a grounded system in older homes originally wired > with two conductors and no ground wire. Currently I do not > have my code book with me so I can't tell you where this is > in NEC but I know it is there. Yes, but you normally replace every outlet with it's own GFCI device, rather than trying to use one GFCI to protect several outlets downstream. You could only do the latter with 3 conductors, but older house wiring only provides 2. Each outlet ends up individually protected. > In a GFCI outlet that does not have a ground a short in the > electrical device will not trip the GFCI. Instead a person > touching the live case of the device and then touching > something that is grounded causes a short to ground, through > their body, unbalancing the current and tripping open the > GFCI. Essentially the person using the defective device > becomes the ground. So how does it distinguish between current flow through a person vs. current flow through the normal load? There is no ground connected to the GFCI. There is no ground connection to the device. It takes only milliamps to kill a human, while regular loads could draw up to 15A, and surges that are much higher. What am I missing here? What's really going on inside the GFCI? Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c69aff$9d49df40$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > > Jim, > > > > I don't think your answer is correct. You're right, I'm wrong. I've found the answer at: http://home.howstuffworks.com/question117.htm The GFCI compares current flowing through hot and neutral. If they are not the same, current is flowing somewhere else, possibly through you to ground. It will trip if there is a difference of as little as 4 or 5 milliamps. Meanwhile, the main load can be many amps. As long as it's balanced, no problem. Out of balance and it shuts down. That's a neat little circuit. Sorry to mislead. Next time I'll do a little more research before I start pontificating. Jim RC4 Wireless ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:35:38 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: GFCI outlets References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim at TheatreWireless.com writes >So how does it distinguish between current flow through a person vs. >current flow through the normal load? There is no ground connected to >the GFCI. There is no ground connection to the device. It takes only >milliamps to kill a human, while regular loads could draw up to 15A, >and surges that are much higher. What am I missing here? What you're missing is the basic operating principle of these devices. The unit has a small torroid with three windings. The feed out is via one winding, the return is via another and there is a sense winding. If the current out is identical to the current returning then they cancel each other out. If some current goes to earth then the current out and in will be imbalanced and a field will be generated n the torroid. This is sensed and used to trip the breaker. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:38:31 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim at TheatreWireless.com writes >The GFCI compares current flowing through hot and neutral. If they are >not the same, current is flowing somewhere else, possibly through you >to ground. It will trip if there is a difference of as little as 4 or 5 >milliamps. Meanwhile, the main load can be many amps. As long as it's >balanced, no problem. Out of balance and it shuts down. > >That's a neat little circuit. Get a cheap or broken unit and take it to bits. You'll find it quite interesting. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:11:14 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: device disconnects Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060628180337.01fb6f00 [at] interstellar.com> Just about to replace an old device with a new one and and wanted to check current NEC thinking... The power to the motors is 120V, single phase. The old unit had a local disconnect switch that breaks both line and neutral, passing the bonded ground through. The question is, should the neutral be broken or not? I don't trust some of the local electricians to get motors and such right. I am also adding local circuit breakers since there's three different sized motors. The line/hot will go through the disconnect, to the breakers. From the breakers to relays and then to the motors. The neutral will either go straight through or go through the disconnect. Ground bonded to the case. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:19:31 -0400 Subject: OT: Question for fellow Macheads From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: I am in the process of upgrading from my worn out old iMac to a new (Used, but new for me) Mac Mini. The fellow I'm buying it from is formatting the hard drive, and including OS X.2 & X.3 CDs, but I'm planning on mostly using 9.2, as most of my software runs on that platform. I would like to also use OSX, for new software as I slowly upgrade. How do I go about installing both OSs ( 9 & X) on the same computer? I've heard that when OSX first came out you could run it in "Classic" mode, but how can I set it up to do that? Does the hard drive have to be partitioned, or is it as simple as just installing both? Sorry for the OT request, but I know there are Mac savvy folks here. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:42:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads In-reply-to: Message-id: <54572BF8-240F-4235-A912-5C2670EFCDD7 [at] interstellar.com> References: On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > I would like to also use OSX, for new software as I slowly > upgrade. How > do I go about installing both OSs ( 9 & X) on the same computer? > I've heard > that when OSX first came out you could run it in "Classic" mode, > but how can > I set it up to do that? Does the hard drive have to be partitioned, > or is it > as simple as just installing both? I'm currently sitting in front of our mail/web server which is running OS X and has the little OS 9 icon on the top bar. When you install OS X, it will ask if you want 9 installed also. 9 will live under X, and you can set it to sort of hibernate 9 when it hasn't been used for a while (I have it set for a few minutes). You can change the OS 9 settings later through System Preferences. BTW, this is one of the "old" Mac Minis, Power PC, 1.42GHz, 512MB of RAM. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:51:38 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I am not a coputer person, nor do I play one on TV, but when I loaded OSX onto my Ibook it automatically allowed me to run software on 9.2 or whatever it is that I have. For example, I haven't upgraded my personal acoounting software yet. My computer opens in OSX but when I open my Quicken software it automatically opens 9.2 and lets me run Quicken through that. Make any sense? I dunno. I just keep pushing buttons until I get to see the cool flashing lights. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 6/28/06 9:19 PM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am in the process of upgrading from my worn out old iMac to a new > (Used, but new for me) Mac Mini. The fellow I'm buying it from is formatting > the hard drive, and including OS X.2 & X.3 CDs, but I'm planning on mostly > using 9.2, as most of my software runs on that platform. > > I would like to also use OSX, for new software as I slowly upgrade. How > do I go about installing both OSs ( 9 & X) on the same computer? I've heard > that when OSX first came out you could run it in "Classic" mode, but how can > I set it up to do that? Does the hard drive have to be partitioned, or is it > as simple as just installing both? > > Sorry for the OT request, but I know there are Mac savvy folks here. > > Bruce ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606281931r28f0fda2r5a8e687efcc73d01 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:31:51 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) "Occy" writes: <> Absolutely correct. I admit to failing to mention the need for a short section of steel flex hose or equal between the tank outlet and the first piece of pipe (any type) that is rigidly connected to the building structure. Then, depending on the scope of your system and your budget, you begin the process of water removal. The first, best, but a bit pricey for most theatre shops would be an after cooler. Basicly that is the commercial version of the ice chest you mentioned. For rotary compressors and medical applications, commercial paint shops and such, it's a fairly necessary thing. For most theatre shops it would be a luxury, nice to have but the money might be better spent else where. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:33:19 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks Jerry & Bill. Doesn't sound too complicated. Uncle Bill Said: > For example, I haven't upgraded my personal acoounting > software yet. Quicken is but one of dozens of programs that run in OS 9. I tend to think that "If it still does what I want it to, then stick with it" (If it ain't broke, don't fix it). I can't afford to throw everything out and replace it all with an OSX version anyway. Jerry said: > BTW, this is one of the "old" Mac Minis, Power PC, 1.42GHz, 512MB of > RAM. Mine will be one of those, but with an upgrade to a Gig of RAM. Coming from an ailing iMac with 64 Meg of RAM and 133 mhz, I should see quite a difference! One reason I decided to go "Used", is because I've been told the new ones (Pentium processor) won't run OS 9. I gain Windose but loose OS 9?? Hardly an "Upgrade" in my book. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44A346BB.7020100 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:19:23 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) References: In-Reply-To: Michael Powers wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > "Occy" writes: > > < dryers don't work to well when they are warm. ........>> > > Absolutely correct. I admit to failing to mention the need for a > short section of steel flex hose or equal between the tank outlet and > the first piece of pipe (any type) that is rigidly connected to the > building structure. Then, depending on the scope of your system and > your budget, you begin the process of water removal. The first, best, > but a bit pricey for most theatre shops would be an after cooler. > Basicly that is the commercial version of the ice chest you mentioned. > For rotary compressors and medical applications, commercial paint > shops and such, it's a fairly necessary thing. For most theatre shops > it would be a luxury, nice to have but the money might be better spent > else where. > > Michael Unless your shop is using massive amounts of air, an air dryer is a nice to have thing. By using a couple of vertical lengths of iron pipe and placing them right in front of your air conditioner outlet, with an automatic drain, you can get reasonably dry air. Putting automatic drain valves on all your water traps is a pretty good idea too. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0606282013v5cd0145ak52ab93ca33c9c492 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:13:09 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: Re: Plastic pipe for compressed air (was Re: Air flow) CB writes: >>>Which is exactly the design that the guy suffered early tool failure with, and that he >>>suggested metal pipes solved. Hmmmmm! At first guess I would think that there is some other contributing factor involved that hasn't come up, because I have seen several permanently installed plastic systems that worked well for many years. <<<.... Is the difference between putting an ABS system together and a metal system so <<< different that the advantages of the metal system wouldn't convince you to << Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:16:52 -0500 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads In-Reply-To: References:

I believe, and someone will probably correct me if I am misremembering, but OS 10.2.-- and 10.3.-- included the ability to run classic. I believe that option stopped existing in 10.4, but it may have been a later release of 10.3. Either way it sounds like you should be covered. Congratulations on the upgrade, John On 6/28/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks Jerry & Bill. Doesn't sound too complicated. > > Uncle Bill Said: > > For example, I haven't upgraded my personal acoounting > > software yet. > > Quicken is but one of dozens of programs that run in OS 9. I tend to > think that "If it still does what I want it to, then stick with it" (If it > ain't broke, don't fix it). I can't afford to throw everything out and > replace it all with an OSX version anyway. > > Jerry said: > > BTW, this is one of the "old" Mac Minis, Power PC, 1.42GHz, 512MB of > > RAM. > > Mine will be one of those, but with an upgrade to a Gig of RAM. Coming > from an ailing iMac with 64 Meg of RAM and 133 mhz, I should see quite a > difference! > > One reason I decided to go "Used", is because I've been told the new > ones (Pentium processor) won't run OS 9. I gain Windose but loose OS 9?? > Hardly an "Upgrade" in my book. > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > The Smith Opera House > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3EA1A13F-3CCE-4252-97C4-4CB33AC94D41 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:19:25 -0400 Hey Bruce, It's as simple as installing both. Basically Classic mode is built into OS X, but OS 9 isn't. The best thing to do install OS X first then install OS 9. OS 9 should be on the Extras disk for OS X. Once both are installed, you go into "System Preferences" and there is a preference for Classic. This will give you the option of what OS 9 installation you want to use and a click box to start and stop it. There are some things that won't run in Classic, make sure the programs you use will. Also, I don't believe the Mac Mini will boot into OS 9. You have to use Classic to use OS 9 stuff. If you have any questions, there are plenty of resources online of you can e-mail me directly. Good luck. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7B839DEF-8F10-4D4A-97B5-7F16594B03E8 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:24:03 -0400 Hello again, Yep, the new Intel machines do not support Classic mode or boot into OS 9 at all. There are a bunch of OS X programs that won't run either. Seems like us Mac people are always in a transition period. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > > One reason I decided to go "Used", is because I've been told > the new > ones (Pentium processor) won't run OS 9. I gain Windose but loose > OS 9?? > Hardly an "Upgrade" in my book. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:26:14 -0400 Classic is still present in Tiger (OS 10.4) in the PPC version. Not in the Intel version, though. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:16 PM, John Penisten wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I believe, and someone will probably correct me if I am > misremembering, but OS 10.2.-- and 10.3.-- included the ability to > run classic. I believe that option stopped existing in 10.4, but it > may have been a later release of 10.3. Either way it sounds like you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:02:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads In-reply-to: Message-id: <7E571B29-59DF-404F-AE9F-92CA48E6F119 [at] interstellar.com> References:

On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Michael de Almeida wrote: > > Classic is still present in Tiger (OS 10.4) in the PPC version. > Not in the Intel version, though. > I can confirm that Classic is in OS X 10.4.7 SERVER since that's what I'm running and the OS 9 icon is on the top of the screen right now. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <07af01c69b33$7f12be50$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Tutorial for ETC Express Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:11:06 -0400 The one two-three years ago came from Nancy Moeur - AME, Syracuse Stage/SU Drama. Don't know if she's still on the list. I have the original version 1.0 it anyone wants. Alf Media Specialist Mt Bethel UMC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delbert Hall" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: Tutorial for ETC Express > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Someone on the list had mentioned that they had created a tutorial for > an ETC Express control board. If that person can contact me > privately, I am in serious need of one immediately. Thanks. > > -Delbert > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Question for fellow Macheads Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:33:00 -0600 Message-ID: <007001c69b35$1af566a0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-reply-to: Thanks for all the Mac info. I have a brand spanking new one that my son in his movie business uses for Hollywood pics, animations, etc. Loaded with so much, I cannot find my way. Your info helps. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:20 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: OT: Question for fellow Macheads For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I am in the process of upgrading from my worn out old iMac to a new (Used, but new for me) Mac Mini. The fellow I'm buying it from is formatting the hard drive, and including OS X.2 & X.3 CDs, but I'm planning on mostly using 9.2, as most of my software runs on that platform. I would like to also use OSX, for new software as I slowly upgrade. How do I go about installing both OSs ( 9 & X) on the same computer? I've heard that when OSX first came out you could run it in "Classic" mode, but how can I set it up to do that? Does the hard drive have to be partitioned, or is it as simple as just installing both? Sorry for the OT request, but I know there are Mac savvy folks here. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <29E73D3B-3A15-4EB0-BB60-4891433197DF [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Tutorial for ETC Express Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:37:17 -0500 On 28 Jun, 2006, at 23:11 , Alf Sauve wrote: > The one two-three years ago came from Nancy Moeur - AME, Syracuse > Stage/SU Drama. Don't know if she's still on the list. I have the > original version 1.0 it anyone wants. It was also still on the Gallery page at Noah's website last time I was there. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <8EC1332B-5E08-42C0-B63C-D2C965774111 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: OT: Question for fellow Macheads Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0500 On 28 Jun, 2006, at 22:16 , John Penisten wrote: > I believe, and someone will probably correct me if I am > misremembering, but OS 10.2.-- and 10.3.-- included the ability to > run classic. I believe that option stopped existing in 10.4, but it > may have been a later release of 10.3. Either way it sounds like you > should be covered. I think you're thinking of the fact that recent [and I can't remember how far back it goes] Macs won't boot into OS 9.x anymore. My current Powerbook PPC I bought in May of 2004 I don't think will boot into OS 9, but the Powerbook I bought in May 2003 would. My Intel Mac mini [currently upgrading to 10.4.7], as others have pointed out, does not have a Classic setting. I'm no Mac engineer, and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that stems from the fact that the pre-OSX Mac OSs were designed around the old chip architecture. So in order for an Intel Mac to run on OS 9.x app, it'd have to run Classic through Rosetta. Considering how much resources running Classic took up that last time I had to run it 2+ years ago and how much resources I hear Rosetta will take up running PPC apps on Intels, I'd imagine that the loss of performance would be enough to drive a person insane. I have one OS 9 app that I need/use once per year [a FileMaker Pro database for everyone's favorite holiday ballet], and I have my ancient iBook clamshell sitting in my office closet for just that purpose. Other than that, I haven't seen Classic desktop in years. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:50:43 -0500 Subject: Re: GFCI outlets - You're right, I'm wrong. From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey Jim, Not a problem. I have a house built in the 40's and all of the original wiring is two conductor and no ground. I HATE this but it is not possible to replace some of the wiring without removing the plaster and lath on the walls so I have been looking at replacing the two conductor outlets with GFCI outlets at the advice of some of my licensed electrician friends. This is not my first choice as a complete rewire with grounded circuits is what I would prefer, but GFCI outlets are a more realistic solution to my problem. Greg Persinger on 6/28/06 5:10 PM, Jim at TheatreWireless.com at stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> Jim, >>> >>> I don't think your answer is correct. > > You're right, I'm wrong. > > I've found the answer at: > http://home.howstuffworks.com/question117.htm > > The GFCI compares current flowing through hot and neutral. If they are not > the same, current is flowing somewhere else, possibly through you to ground. > It will trip if there is a difference of as little as 4 or 5 milliamps. > Meanwhile, the main load can be many amps. As long as it's balanced, no > problem. Out of balance and it shuts down. > > That's a neat little circuit. > > Sorry to mislead. Next time I'll do a little more research before I start > pontificating. > > Jim > RC4 Wireless > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #859 *****************************