Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 32098666; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:02:22 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,TW_RX,TW_SQ,TW_TX,TW_XV autolearn=no version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #878 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:01:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #878 1. Re: More Help - Fellowship Hall Renovation by Bruce Purdy 2. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Bill Sapsis 3. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by "Mike Burnett" 4. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by Steve Larson 5. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Peter Scheu" 6. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: drink and the theatre and tailgating by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Samuel Jones 9. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Peter Scheu" 10. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by SS 11. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 12. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 13. Re: lightweight rigging question... by SS 14. Re: lightweight rigging question... by KEITH ARSENAULT 15. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 16. Re: lightweight rigging question... by KEITH ARSENAULT 17. Designers by "Paul Guncheon" 18. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Peter Scheu" 19. House lights in dimmers (was Rental boards taking control . . .) by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 20. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Jon Ares" 21. Re: Designers by Herrick Goldman 22. Re: Designers by "Jon Ares" 23. Re: Designers by Steve Larson 24. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Peter Scheu" 25. SIPs for sale by Dan Stearns 26. Re: lightweight rigging question... by "Bill Nelson" 27. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Bruce Purdy 28. test - ignore please (yeah right...) by CB 29. Re: drink and the theatre and tailgating by CB 30. Re: Designers by Kevin Lee Allen 31. Re: drink and the theatre and tailgating (as if we weren't OT enough...) by "Paul Schreiner" 32. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Jerry Durand 33. Re: Designers by "Bill Nelson" 34. Re: Switch Blades..... by CB 35. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by CB 36. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by CB 37. Star Drop.... by "David Bowman" 38. Re: lightweight rigging question - the theory behind the answers by "dale" 39. Re: Star Drop.... by "Klyph Stanford" 40. Re: Star Drop.... by "Jessica Paz" 41. Re: House lights in dimmers (was Rental boards taking control . . .) by BC 42. Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA is out of the office. by Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA 43. Crane experience? Anyone? by "Paul Schreiner" 44. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Stuart Wheaton 45. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by "Occy" 46. Blatent Commercial post by "David Fox" 47. Re: Strange dimmer behavior -- RESOLUTION by James Feinberg 48. Re: Star Drop....(OT-Ironic) by Tony Kambic 49. Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems by Mike Benonis 50. Re: lightweight rigging question... by Bill Sapsis *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <53D1B5E0-B004-4467-A63D-9DB9CD58E799 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: More Help - Fellowship Hall Renovation Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:37:33 -0400 > The one center room camera position will need to be flush with the > floor and look nice when not in use. I don't know whether this would work, but is there some kind of wireless camera that might work in this type of situation? It would leave the centre of the room unmarred when not in use, it would be neater, and allow greater flexibility. Just a thought. Bruce Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:52:56 -0400 Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Long story short because I have to get ready for the start of today's ride....... Your question is a good one but the answer comes from a different perspective. Instead of worrying about minimum strength for low weight object rigging, the easiest thing to do is to always use load rated equipment. Baling wire is not load rated. 1/8" galv. aircraft cable is. Low weight scenery falling from 35' will still do some serious damage. Off and running. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 7/14/06 4:20 AM, "Michael Sorensen" wrote: > The question is: what is the minimum strength, shock > load value, etc? of material that should be used to > fly something under 100 pounds that is supported by > one point? or two or more points? Also, what would > you use for this situation? How about 50 pounds? or > even 25 pounds? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:32:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" We've had nothing but the best from the Sennheiser mics. We have 14 that are currently on tour (8 of them are 3 years old, 6 brand new to replace some ATs) and love them. Several of their best features: - metal transmitter cases (lots of the other brands are plastic) - programmable frequencies, even on the lower cost models - mic cable connector screws into the transmitter The Sennheiser mic (ME2 IIRC) is a pretty decent mic. The mic head is a little larger than we would like, but it can be hidden. We're debating which mic element to go with next that is smaller. The new transmitters use AA. We can get through a 2+ hour show one set of batteries (both on the AA and the older 9V models) using Procells. =20 Since we began using them, our Sennheisers have been used for about 45 tour performances 3 years ago, 4 musicals here(we use them for about 3 weeks each), children's theatre, misc. events, and another 45 show tour. Nothing but praise for them. A good deal,IMO. Can you tell that I like these mics? Any Sennheiser reps on the list that wants to send some schwag my way, let me know. ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre =20 Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service =20 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax =20 mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre =20 =20 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers =20 Galatians 6:9-10=20 =20 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) =20 ________________________________________________________________________ _ =20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:02:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We just purchased 6 Sennheiser 122G2s for about $500 each. Love them. We also purchased 4 Samsons for about $150 each for chorus support mics. The Sennheisers rule. The Samsons have plastic bodies, no screw attachment for the mic and use 9V batteries. They do what they need to do and they were priced right. Bought everything at Sam Ash. Our local store has extremely knowledgeable folks with the right attitude. Steve > From: "Mike Burnett" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:32:16 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We've had nothing but the best from the Sennheiser mics. We have 14 > that are currently on tour (8 of them are 3 years old, 6 brand new to > replace some ATs) and love them. Several of their best features: > - metal transmitter cases (lots of the other brands are plastic) > - programmable frequencies, even on the lower cost models > - mic cable connector screws into the transmitter > > The Sennheiser mic (ME2 IIRC) is a pretty decent mic. The mic head is a > little larger than we would like, but it can be hidden. We're debating > which mic element to go with next that is smaller. > > The new transmitters use AA. We can get through a 2+ hour show one set > of batteries (both on the AA and the older 9V models) using Procells. > > Since we began using them, our Sennheisers have been used for about 45 > tour performances 3 years ago, 4 musicals here(we use them for about 3 > weeks each), children's theatre, misc. events, and another 45 show tour. > Nothing but praise for them. A good deal,IMO. Can you tell that I like > these mics? Any Sennheiser reps on the list that wants to send some > schwag my way, let me know. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Mike Burnett, M.F.A. > Assistant Professor of Theatre > Chair, Department of Theatre > > Huntington University > Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service > > 260-359-4279 office > 260-359-4249 fax > > mburnett [at] huntington.edu > www.huntington.edu/theatre > > > Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will > reap a harvest if we do not give up. > Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, > especially to those who belong to the family of believers > Galatians 6:9-10 > > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of > in your philosophy." > --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _ > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:31:22 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc Message-ID: In-reply-to: Trying to avoid a "me, too" response, but Bill has it exactly right. Baling wire is manufactured and intended to be used to bale hay. I doubt seriously that the manufacturer includes in its literature that it can also be used to hang scenery over people's heads. 1/8" galvanized 7x19 "aircraft cable" (actually "small diameter specialty cord) properly terminated with nico's or forged cable clips is the smallest I'd use for any low load application, and it's readily available. And as Bill said, all items must (not should) be load rated. Happy trails, Bill! We miss ya in Dallas! Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CE4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > 1/8" galvanized 7x19 "aircraft cable" (actually "small=20 > diameter specialty > cord) properly terminated with nico's or forged cable clips=20 > is the smallest I'd use for any low load application, and=20 > it's readily available. And as Bill said, all items must (not=20 > should) be load rated. Not intending to throw fuel on anything here, but what is your (and others') opinion on 1/16" cable that is commonly used for hanging picture frames? I know it's readily available, and less visible to the naked eye on stage, and that terminations and tools are sized for it... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c6a753$e77d98d0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: drink and the theatre and tailgating Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:43:42 -1000 <> One of the more pleasant aspects of living in Hawaii (and there are many) is the politeness of the drivers. It is a common occurrence for one to slow down or stop and let someone into traffic in front of them. However, it is not unknown for someone to come to a complete stop on the freeway to let someone merge. Not sure if it's a "full" and complete stop... it might be a half-full or half empty one... one doesn't always know about such things. Laters, Paul "Who is Mr. Ning's wife?" said Tom frowning. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:48:31 -0700 OK, use rated equipment. This means I can't hang a 10 pound picture and picture frame with black trick line, or do we count the listed breaking strengths as a rating? What counts as being rated, 60 pound test fish line? 1/8" cable is really cool stuff, but there is a bunch of stuff I'm not going to use it for. I tend to use line that is 5 times, and usually much more, stronger than the load. but with really light loads, I doubt that what I use has its strength rated the same way most rigging hardware does. I worry much more about knots and other terminations. I'll go out on a limb here. It is possible to rig some lightweight loads safely without aircraft cable or 1/2" rope. I think the problem in the original post was that there is no load limit of any kind listed by anybody for baling wire. Sam Samuel L. Jones Technical Director, Dance Program, Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA. sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu (310) 207-0392 (home) (310) 825-5823 (office) (310) 993-4172 (cell) On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Long story short because I have to get ready for the start of today's > ride....... > > Your question is a good one but the answer comes from a different > perspective. Instead of worrying about minimum strength for low > weight > object rigging, the easiest thing to do is to always use load rated > equipment. > > Baling wire is not load rated. 1/8" galv. aircraft cable is. > > Low weight scenery falling from 35' will still do some serious damage. > > Off and running. > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country > charity > motorcycle ride. > > > > > > On 7/14/06 4:20 AM, "Michael Sorensen" wrote: > >> The question is: what is the minimum strength, shock >> load value, etc? of material that should be used to >> fly something under 100 pounds that is supported by >> one point? or two or more points? Also, what would >> you use for this situation? How about 50 pounds? or >> even 25 pounds? > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu ('Paul Schreiner') Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:56:48 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc Message-ID: In-reply-to: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CE4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> Again, if it carries a load rating, and is properly terminated with load rated hardware... But "picture hanging wire" is NOT really appropriate, = as I doubt it is really load rated. I would use 1/16 galvanized small diameter specialty cord (aka aircraft cable). It has a breaking strength of 480 lb. If you apply an 8:1 design factor, the WLL would be 60 lb. If you terminate it with copper swaged fittings, you'll keep that WLL, but if you use cable clips (a minimum of = 2 at each termination), your WLL will be derated 20% (or 48 lb) YMMV Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com=20 =20 > Not intending to throw fuel on anything here, but what is your (and > others') opinion on 1/16" cable that is commonly used for > hanging picture frames? I know it's readily available, and=20 > less visible to the naked eye on stage, and that terminations=20 > and tools are sized for it... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0607140759l759c702bu489dfd8f5ac7a06 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:59:47 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems In-Reply-To: References: > I have been on the Stagecraft listserve for a while and have gained alot > of info in the past. I am writing today to get your opinion on a couple > of wireless mic systems that I am looking at to replace our old VHF > AT-1235 units that we have. John- If you want to broaden the response possibilites, you may want to pose this question to the Sound Listserve as well. Might be helpful. I don't have the URL in front of me, but if you contact me offlist I can get it to you. -SS TTS-EKU "You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard." ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:01:26 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems Personal preference is for the Shure wireless system. Seemed to be better bang for the buck. Shure also has a refurbishment program for educational institutions. Because of how easy to operate and make work well we've just bought another 6 with distribution. The Shure WL-93 is ok. We bought a few of them but, we've also bought some AT892 and some Isomax E6's for our better singers. So far the only problems we've had was someone sitting on the beltpack and crimp-breaking the connector on the line from the mic. Jeff Kanyuck >>> JLUCS [at] peddie.org 7/13/2006 9:22 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have been on the Stagecraft listserve for a while and have gained alot of info in the past. I am writing today to get your opinion on a couple of wireless mic systems that I am looking at to replace our old VHF AT-1235 units that we have. Some background, We are a college prep high-school in NJ and do a variety of shows from straight plays to full blown musicals and everything in between. The wireless units I purchase need to put up with the abuse a high-school student a step above public school may inflict upon the transmitter body packs. The hand helds could get dropped at one time or another or be subjected to a real good yell into the element. We also have a variety of road shows that travel through our house that I need to provide mics once in a while. I have gotten 3 different quotes from suppliers and of course I have to compare apples, peaches and pears. Not one offered the same type of system to compare at least price with. The 3 options were: Shure ULXS14/93 mic element- WL93 Audio-Technica 3110A-D mic element- MT830CW-TH Sennheiser EW112G2 mic element- ME2 What is your opinion on the durability of these 3 system to the abuse a high-school could dish out. I use toupee tape to attached the mic elements to temples of foreheads and use condoms to protect packs from sweating out. I tend to want to lean towards a pack that uses AA batteries instead of 9volts for cost but then again durability is the bottom line, especially the mic element and the connector cable to the transmitter pack. I would appreciate any advice you could give. We are looking at buying 12-15 units and will buy antenna distribution units also. jlucs [at] peddie.org --JEL-- <>< John E. Lucs Peddie School Theater Tech Director ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c6a757$bec40ab0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > I would use 1/16 galvanized small diameter specialty cord > (aka aircraft cable). Here's a hypothetical situation: You're doing a play. One of the characters is a warlock, and the dialogue specifically calls for him to levitate an object that is fairy lightweight, but not entirely unsubstantial. For the effect to work, the line has to entirely "disappear". With what do you rig it? OK, now assume that the object specifically called for is not a coffee cup, but a steak knife.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0607140813n5bb089f3r36f4e8c7a8cde62b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:13:31 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... In-Reply-To: References: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CE4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> > Again, if it carries a load rating, and is properly terminated with load > rated hardware... But "picture hanging wire" is NOT really appropriate, as I > doubt it is really load rated. > > I would use 1/16 galvanized small diameter specialty cord (aka aircraft > cable). It has a breaking strength of 480 lb. If you apply an 8:1 design > factor, the WLL would be 60 lb. If you terminate it with copper swaged > fittings, you'll keep that WLL, but if you use cable clips (a minimum of 2 > at each termination), your WLL will be derated 20% (or 48 lb) I concur with Peter. If you're looking to go small, and hardly visible, for ligther items (under 100lbs.) AC cable is the way to go. 16th AC cable, I do beleive, has a 96 lbs WLL rated at 5. Wouldn't trust anything else. Sure tie line, Fishing line, etc work, but safety first kids!! -SS TTS-EKU "You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard." ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <80936333-A00B-456D-8BBC-09668F8B19E8 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:14:40 -0400 depending on how high it has to levitate, , , I might not even lift if from above, , but attach it to plex or something similar, , and have it "lifted" from under the table or surface that it is placed on... have to light it carefully, , but that's true for all levitation effects.. On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > I would use 1/16 galvanized small diameter specialty cord > (aka aircraft cable). Here's a hypothetical situation: You're doing a play. One of the characters is a warlock, and the dialogue specifically calls for him to levitate an object that is fairy lightweight, but not entirely unsubstantial. For the effect to work, the line has to entirely "disappear". With what do you rig it? OK, now assume that the object specifically called for is not a coffee cup, but a steak knife.... Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c6a759$b3c073e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: =20 > depending on how high it has to levitate, , , I might not even lift =20 > if from above, , For purposes of discussion, let's assume it has to go *very* high. = Maybe the dialogue is something like: BABBIE: Sapsis the great can levitate a coffee cup 8' in the air. = That's 2' taller than your head. SCHEU THE MAGNIFICENT: Pish tosh, I can levitate it 16'. (does so, and = waves his wand under the cup). See? That's twice as tall as I am. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:30:46 -0400 if your talking just a coffee cup, , aren't there very very fine, black wires ( single strand ) or fine fine black fishing line that magicians use ? ( think of the floating ball routine ) On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > depending on how high it has to levitate, , , I might not even lift > if from above, , For purposes of discussion, let's assume it has to go *very* high. Maybe the dialogue is something like: BABBIE: Sapsis the great can levitate a coffee cup 8' in the air. That's 2' taller than your head. SCHEU THE MAGNIFICENT: Pish tosh, I can levitate it 16'. (does so, and waves his wand under the cup). See? That's twice as tall as I am. Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c6a75c$697b35b0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Designers Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:44:36 -1000 I am currently working for on a production of lighter summer fair for the local opera company, "The King & I". The set designer is a youngish guy (I'm guessing middle 30's) who has what I perceive to be a rather cavalier attitude towards his design. He is a what I would call a "CAD designer". All of his drawings are computer generated in 1/4" scale. There were few dimensions... many of them incorrect and the drawing notations are vague and sometimes inane. "Install in the theatre." All of his paint elevations were in 1/4" scale. I call them "paint elevations" mostly in jest. the drawings (all in color) delineated the various surfaces by different hatch patterns (dots, squiggle lines, cross hatching... etc.) The patterns were indexed by number to photographs of various colors and textures, which the painter was supposed to duplicate. The designer never drew what the finished product would actually look like, resulting in some seriously ugly scenery which required repainting. As I said the working drawings are in 1/4" scale with no detail drawings or sections. I as a designer would never leave my design open to the variations and errors permitted by such a small scale. I know it also pisses off the carpenters. One of the carpenters approached the designer the other day and asked if he could have a 1/2" scale drawing of one scenery piece. The designer disappeared into the office for awhile. He reappeared and dropped a flash drive into the carpenter's hand saying, "Well, my job is done", and walked away. Hilarity ensued. I am aware that one of the responsibilities of the technical director is the interpretation of the designer's drawings for the shop. In this instance, the TD has spent countless hours trying to simply read the drawings, trying to figure out which dimensions are correct, and if the thing will fit in the theatre. With the bizillion things the TD has to do, fighting the drawings should not be one of them. He wasn't happy to find, upon installation, 4-1/2' of steel scenery above the border trim, or the sliding panels that wouldn't fit off stage because the designer accidentally added 3' to their width. There was not a little "carpenter's perogative" going on with the building. We tried to figure out if it really "needed" to be 4' - 1-1/2" wide before changing it to 4'. I did build some 9' - 2" x 3' - 1" tables just because there was no reason not to. Laters, Paul "It doesn't smell anymore," Tom said distinctly. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:45:50 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc Message-ID: In-reply-to: This is a bit of an apples & oranges discussion. The original poster was describing hanging steel wire mesh fencing panels overhead of people. If they fell, they could really hurt someone. A little different from levitating a coffee cup. One has to figure in the potential consequences of a failure when choosing materials or equipment, and in a theatrical "gag", how to light it to help disguise or hide the rig. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com > > I would use 1/16 galvanized small diameter specialty cord > > (aka aircraft cable). > > Here's a hypothetical situation: > > You're doing a play. One of the characters is a warlock, and > the dialogue specifically calls for him to levitate an object > that is fairy lightweight, but not entirely unsubstantial. > For the effect to work, the line has to entirely "disappear". > With what do you rig it? > > OK, now assume that the object specifically called for is not > a coffee cup, but a steak knife.... ------------------------------ Subject: House lights in dimmers (was Rental boards taking control . . .) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:47:18 -0700 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299A40 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" June posted: the other reason I don't like architectural and work lighting in the stage dimmer racks is that it is total overkill. Why waste big hunks of a rack on stuff like aisle lights? Wouldn't you rather have that dimmer capacity available to you for stage use? June, I as SO with you on that. I've got 2.5 racks (230 dimmers +/-). =20 I just did a quick count, and about 90 dimmers +/- are for house lights, work lights, aisle lights, running lights, or are so badly ganged = together that it's a complete waste of dimmers (600 or 900 watt loads on=20 2.4kw dimmers, eating up 50 dimmers I could have used somewhere else (like the FOH, maybe?) ah, I feel much better know, thanks. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005a01c6a75d$f425e880$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:55:39 -0700 > This is a bit of an apples & oranges discussion. > > The original poster was describing hanging steel wire mesh fencing panels > overhead of people. If they fell, they could really hurt someone. A little > different from levitating a coffee cup. > > One has to figure in the potential consequences of a failure when choosing > materials or equipment, and in a theatrical "gag", how to light it to help > disguise or hide the rig. I don't care if it's apples and/or oranges, or persimmons.... I think this is a valid discussion, and quite relevant. Yes, it's drifted from the original post, and maybe the subject line could change, but as a general stagecraft series of questions, I'm very interested in various techniques for all stage gimmickry. :) BTW, Mr. Sapsis and others do sell a black powder-coated wire rope that might be more 'invisible' than the galvanized - for those that have a particular need. Don't know that I'd go for wire rope for a teacup, but.... :) Oh, and personally, I often use 100 lb test fishing line (monofilament - usually double-thick) to hang 10-ounce pictures on the walls of a set...... I run it out the back of the lauan flat, and up to a toggle/rail. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:59:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Designers From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: So paul is this one of those "very nice things" about living in Hawaii? The lack of professionalism from local designers? Or is it a mainland designer who just wants to hit the beach? Just build the Fu*ker what he drew. :) On 7/14/06 11:44 AM, "Paul Guncheon" wrote: -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006801c6a766$6a840ea0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Designers Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:56:14 -0700 > Just build the Fu*ker what he drew. :) But build it *at* scale. :) Tiny sets from a tiny talent. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Designers From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Find out who taught him what he knows and discourage anyone from studying with his mentor. Off with their heads. Steve > From: "Paul Guncheon" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:44:36 -1000 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Designers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am currently working for on a production of lighter summer fair for the > local opera company, "The King & I". The set designer is a youngish guy (I'm > guessing middle 30's) who has what I perceive to be a rather cavalier > attitude towards his design. He is a what I would call a "CAD designer". All > of his drawings are computer generated in 1/4" scale. There were few > dimensions... many of them incorrect and the drawing notations are vague and > sometimes inane. "Install in the theatre." > > All of his paint elevations were in 1/4" scale. I call them "paint > elevations" mostly in jest. the drawings (all in color) delineated the > various surfaces by different hatch patterns (dots, squiggle lines, cross > hatching... etc.) The patterns were indexed by number to photographs of > various colors and textures, which the painter was supposed to duplicate. > The designer never drew what the finished product would actually look like, > resulting in some seriously ugly scenery which required repainting. > > As I said the working drawings are in 1/4" scale with no detail drawings or > sections. I as a designer would never leave my design open to the variations > and errors permitted by such a small scale. I know it also pisses off the > carpenters. One of the carpenters approached the designer the other day and > asked if he could have a 1/2" scale drawing of one scenery piece. The > designer disappeared into the office for awhile. He reappeared and dropped a > flash drive into the carpenter's hand saying, "Well, my job is done", and > walked away. > > Hilarity ensued. > > I am aware that one of the responsibilities of the technical director is the > interpretation of the designer's drawings for the shop. In this instance, > the TD has spent countless hours trying to simply read the drawings, trying > to figure out which dimensions are correct, and if the thing will fit in the > theatre. With the bizillion things the TD has to do, fighting the drawings > should not be one of them. He wasn't happy to find, upon installation, > 4-1/2' of steel scenery above the border trim, or the sliding panels that > wouldn't fit off stage because the designer accidentally added 3' to their > width. > > There was not a little "carpenter's perogative" going on with the building. > We tried to figure out if it really "needed" to be 4' - 1-1/2" wide before > changing it to 4'. I did build some 9' - 2" x 3' - 1" tables just because > there was no reason not to. > > Laters, > > Paul > > "It doesn't smell anymore," Tom said distinctly. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:58:50 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I wasn't commenting on the usefulness of the discussion, just upon the = rigs were being compared. Rigging scenery overhead with load rated components = vs. rigging a sight gag with a trick line. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com=20 > I don't care if it's apples and/or oranges, or persimmons....=20 > I think this=20 > is a valid discussion, and quite relevant. =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Dan Stearns Subject: SIPs for sale Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:00:27 -0500 Hey all, I have 58 structural insulated panels (SIPs) for sale that were used one time to create seating risers for an outdoor performance. They are 3'x7'x4". They are covered on five sides in muslin and have been painted. I no longer have the budget to store them and the program they were used for is now gone. Most of them have been drilled through in four places for rigging, but they are still sound. These would be ideal for building a very quiet house, stage deck, or non-standard stock platforms. Price negotiable. Please email off-list or call for details. Cheers, Dan Stearns University of Chicago 5706 S. University Production Manager, University Theater Chicago, IL 60637 Lecturer, TAPS Phone: 773.612.2617 Fax: 773.702.4930 UT Shop: 5245 S. Cottage Grove Chicago, IL 60615 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3414.205.215.255.63.1152897564.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... From: "Bill Nelson" > Baling wire is not load rated. 1/8" galv. aircraft cable is. I can give an example where I believe it is acceptable to use non rated equipment. We recently had a production of Blythe Spirit. At the start of the final blackout, the main actor walked to the upstage door to exit and a large picture on the left hand wall flew off and towards stage center. Since this picture was on the wall throughout the performance, and any wires would be in the path of many lights, I used 60# test monofilament fishing line to do the flying. The line was visible if you looked for it, but unnoticed by the audience. This is not a hazard, as the picture cannot fall until flown, and no one is anywhere near the picture when it is flown. During the blackout, the picture was lowered to the floor before lights were brought up for the curtain call. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <47678A37-67E7-4C61-9D4D-35A822B409E8 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:22:59 -0400 > I wasn't commenting on the usefulness of the discussion, just upon > the rigs > were being compared. Rigging scenery overhead with load rated > components vs. > rigging a sight gag with a trick line. Sometimes even in rigging scenery, judicial use of "Non standard" materials seems appropriate to me. Our local High School holds it's graduation at our Theatre, and every year I have to hang a "Sign" for them over the stage. This consists of seven separate letters / numbers ("GHS 2006" or whatever year) cut out of corrugated cardboard and painted. I hang each piece with heavy fishline tied to the batten and to the letters. The use of fourteen 1/8" cables just seems silly to me! (Does this make me bad?) On the other hand, I agree with you when it comes to more substantial scenery - common sense must prevail though! Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060714101253.00c444c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:12:53 From: CB Subject: test - ignore please (yeah right...) >test... And you guys *still* have teh gall to make fun of us skweeks when we say it... ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060714101709.00c444c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:17:09 From: CB Subject: RE: drink and the theatre and tailgating >Don't worry, when my wife and I get a chance to come visit AZ Hmmm.... Speaking of drinkin' and drivin' (doncha just love the old 'Black Flag' stuff?) They sell 'Magic Hat where you live, don't they? WIll ya be drivin', Paul? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:37:06 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Designers In-reply-to: Message-id: <9CAD9092-530F-49B4-9068-43E8CDF1BB7C [at] klad.com> References:

while I agree with this sentiment, first it impacts the rest of the company and then it would doubly impact the technical crew when someone else decides then need to be redone. If the designer is from the mainland, I would send him home... on a bus... as luggage. It is hugely unfortunate that this type of behavior creates a terrible stereotype. On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > Just build the Fu*ker what he drew. :) ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: drink and the theatre and tailgating (as if we weren't OT enough...) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CE5 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > They sell 'Magic Hat where you=20 > live, don't they? =20 It just came out about three weeks ago. Tried one of the summer sampler packs...I'm rather impressed, actually. Can't quite beat the price on the Yuengling yet (only $4.79/6, $8.49/12 in the lager and b&t varieties), but it's a worthwhile brew. Tried some Troeg's Troeginator (sp?) "doublebock" (sic) last week--that stuff is niiiice. And I just was given a six of Pete's Wicked Ale this morning as a thank-you. Life is good. Now if I could just get the feeling back in my thigh I'd be doing famously... (Totally unrelated, spent 7 hours in a sit harness working with list lurker Chris Harris from SRI on Wednesday re-rigging an 8000# fire curtain and ended up with a mild inflammation in the nerves that run past my pelvis where the harness pressed a little overmuch.) (Ooops, just realized that doesn't sound right. Chris and I weren't in the harness together. Just to clear that up. I'll shut up shortly, though if/when the thread ever continues I'll volunteer to share my porn name as well.) > WIll ya be drivin', Paul? Dunno yet. Plans not yet made. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:42:22 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060714103713.01efb580 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 10:19 AM 7/14/2006, Bill Nelson wrote: >I can give an example where I believe it is acceptable to use non rated >equipment. Another example would be an actor carrying something in his hand (maybe even leaning over a stair/deck railing). The actor's hand isn't load rated yet it's ok for him/her to hold even heavy objects overhead. It's all a matter of risk. If you're levitating a dulled knife a foot or two over a table, it's hard to imagine how someone could get hurt. Risk is sometimes hard to evaluate or do away with. For our July 4th show, we motored a barge with around 500 loaded guns across the S.F. Bay, including under several bridges. The people on those bridges were at risk while we were under them, not much we could do about it. That doesn't include the risk to us ON the barge. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3448.205.215.255.63.1152899220.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Designers From: "Bill Nelson" I would not give the person the honor of calling him a designer. If it happened to me, I would be talking to whomever makes the decisions with the local opera company and strongly suggest that they do NOT use this person in the future. Be sure to be able to explain exactly why. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060714103430.00c444c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:34:30 From: CB Subject: RE: Switch Blades..... >That does not seem to be one of my quotes. Dr. Doom It ain't, but I'm thinking Carrol O'Connor in a kilt might getcha close. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060714104359.00c444c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:43:59 From: CB Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems >At >that time, Sennheiser has a reputation (at least locally) of being >somewhat fragile. Our sqweek liked the shure mike elements better. Get a new skweek, yours is broken. Shure lavs are adequate at best. If you were listening to the low-end Senn's and the top-end Shure's, well, I guess the Shures *might* beat them in that scenario. There is also the question of apples and pears in this partivular situation. Was one of them a directonal lav? >We also wanted the secure fastening of the microphone connector to the >transmitter. I don't recall if Sennheiser has that feature. At the lower end of the spectrum both are using an adequate connctor. The TRS mini with the capturing screw on ring is a decent way to attach a lav to a pack. As I said to Juhn yesterday, "Sony has a nice little setup in the six-pack set-up. They have a rack unit that can accomodate up to six receivers, and there are powered antennae available. The txmitters and rxvers are pretty rugged and easy to set up and use, and I've never had an issue with thie ones that I have used. Two racks and an antenna divider, and you're all set. It is probably the best balance of budget and performance. There are cheaper sets, and there are better sets, but there aren't cheaper sets that are better or better sets that are cheaper. The 1/8" TRS locking connector is pretty reliable, but it is as fragile as any other, and takes a bit of respect to keep it functioning. Do NOT get Sony mics for them. I suggest the Sennheiser MKE-2, because they are rugged and they sound great. The ME-2 just isn't the same thing." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060714105209.00c444c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:52:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems >By the way, I have seen a number of handhelds dropped. The only damage >that any of them have received was a dented wind screen. This is a new hip-hop coolness. I've seen a lot more damage than a dented windscreen, and I've threatened to do far worse. The last thing I do when I'm miking up a drum kit is ask the drummer if any of the mics are going to be 'in his way', indicating that I'll move them if he thinks he may hit them. Dropping the mic is a sign of a small, er, mind. If you can't hold on to a mic till it gets back to the sound crew, you shouldn't get one in the first place. Accidents happen, I'll grant you. Don't make me cause an accident. "You break it, you bought it" displayed in an obvious manner should keep the windscreens pretty pristine, one way or another. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:08:39 -0400 From: "David Bowman" Subject: Star Drop.... Hey folks, Looking for a Star Drop to borrow/rent for a production of "Around the World in 80 Days" this September. Someone in the Northeast is preferred and we'd be happy to come get it if shipping is a concern.... Looking for roughly 20H x 40W... Thanks!!! dave B. David M. Bowman Syracuse Stage / SU Drama Master Electrician / Adj. Professor dmbowman [at] syr.edu Dolor Temporarius... Gloria Aeterna.... Cicatrices Virgines Placent! ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "dale" Subject: RE: lightweight rigging question - the theory behind the answers Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:14:37 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Michael: what hasn't been said yet, at least not very clearly, is that the rigging hardware must be appropriate to the load. in our industry, we tend to use a 5 to 1 safety factor as a minimum (usitt recommended practices), usually 7 or 8 to 1 is normal. what the previous posters were getting at, I think, by saying you need to use 'load rated' hardware, it that for *any* load overhead, you need to use load rated hardware that is sized to the potential load. it doesn't really matter what the object flown is; I fly very lightweight signage in our auditorium all the time. but the hardware I use is: 1. load rated. 2. uses an 8:1 safety factor. and I fly heavy stuff at the local arena; but the hardware I use is: 1. load rated. 2. uses an 8:1 safety factor. others have noted that 'bailing wire' is not load rated. it may be strong enough, but since it is not load rated, you have no way to apply a safety factor. make sense? dale cyr IATSE Local 93 Spokane Wa ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200607141815.k6EIFDsN029963 [at] svcstatl08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: RE: Star Drop.... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:15:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: AAAAAFothA0fLKlBrogv4Pn+OUUEYSAA http://www.mainlight.com/ Hope this helps. Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David Bowman Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:09 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Star Drop.... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hey folks, Looking for a Star Drop to borrow/rent for a production of "Around the World in 80 Days" this September. Someone in the Northeast is preferred and we'd be happy to come get it if shipping is a concern.... Looking for roughly 20H x 40W... Thanks!!! dave B. David M. Bowman Syracuse Stage / SU Drama Master Electrician / Adj. Professor dmbowman [at] syr.edu Dolor Temporarius... Gloria Aeterna.... Cicatrices Virgines Placent! ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Paz" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Star Drop.... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:51:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c6a776$9029dd00$b07d9700$ [at] com> A really beautiful way I've seen this done was by a lighting designer who drilled various sized holes into a plywood wall by following a print out of the night sky, and then he took strings of Christmas lights and taped them with black gaff to the back sides of all the holes. When it was lit up it really looked like there were stars on stage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:12:58 -0400 From: BC Subject: Re: House lights in dimmers (was Rental boards taking control . . .) Reply-to: BC Message-id: <003401c6a779$852ba7f0$6601a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- the other reason I don't like architectural and work lighting in the stage dimmer racks is that it is total overkill. Why waste big hunks of a rack on stuff like aisle lights? Wouldn't you rather have that dimmer capacity available to you for stage use? June, I as SO with you on that. I've got 2.5 racks (230 dimmers +/-). I just did a quick count, and about 90 dimmers +/- are for house lights, work lights, aisle lights, running lights, or are so badly ganged together that it's a complete waste of dimmers (600 or 900 watt loads on 2.4kw dimmers, eating up 50 dimmers I could have used somewhere else (like the FOH, maybe?) In most cases, there are many advantages to having architectural and theatrical dimmers in the same rack(s). In truth, there's really not much difference to the user whether it's a hard wired audience area dimmer or a stage circuit. It's all part of a lighting system we operate and maintain. The bottom line on a renovation or new install is, is there "available real estate" in the racks to include all the required circuits needing to be controlled from the assorted consoles - House/Work/Recital controller or theatrical controller ?. In may cases, there may well be extra rack space for dimmers assigned to "other then stage lighting" uses. No point in not using the space. It can make for an easier and cheaper installation if its all grouped together, as well as providing for the same type dimmers and control modules - rack to rack. Certainly the design should not compromise much needed stage circuit distribution so as to fit house dimmers (good luck !). Get the basic requirement of the theatrical system in place, then deal with the rest. In Andrews case, and in mine, the number of dimmers assigned to "house" lighting is seemingly a lot, but it's also a given, driven by the architecture. The architectural loads are usually code derived and (in Andrew's case) probably could have been grouped more efficiently, but would they then allow the zone control that - at some point, someone thought would be useful ?. You (Andrew) actually might have an option to free up dimmers by combining loads, but do you have places (Or funds) to lay in xtra stage circuits ?. That too can be driven by architectural limits. The issue, in my mind, regardless if the house and stage dimmers are all grouped in the same rack, or separated by a state border, is designing and installing an ability to separate the control functions as desired. Andrew obviously has an issue with how the Strand Premiere "other then stage lighting" control system functions and needs to deal with that. It would seem that simply adding a couple of presets for better control would solve the problem, as well as allowing for HTP in the racks for pile on use of the theatrical controller with the Premiere. It's my opinion that those theaters who had all the fancy toys installed - probably a result of a consultant not consulting (read - listening to and being helpful to the users), should maybe spend some time to get the house staff up to speed on how it all works. I commiserate with June's experiences about walking into houses where no one knows how to use a Response Network Controller, but am of the opinion that there's a deeper underlying problem, one of the theater management not having, or wanting to pay to get the house staff trained on the stuff. Ethernet gear is now here to stay and we will all see more and more of it. Forget making some of the more esoteric functions, such as Net2 Advanced Input Patch work, who's going to trouble shoot a problem on a Net2 system, if the theater won't pay to have a trained employee who knows how it all works ?. This is often a problem in road houses where there IS NO permanent house staff, from the IA Local or wherever, but it's cheaper in the long run to pay for a few xtra hrs. ea. week to have someone who can keep it all running. The alternative is wondering why Opening Night won't happen because a console cannot suddenly talk to a bunch of rack CEM+'s, and having to refund a couple hundred grand in tickets. My last $.02 Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Subject: Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA is out of the office. From: Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:26:51 -0400 I will be out of the office starting 14/07/2006 and will not return until 24/07/2006. I am on vacation and I will respond to your message when I return. Thanks! ------------------------------ Subject: Crane experience? Anyone? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9CE7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Has anyone out there in list-land ever constructed a working crane before? If so, I've got some questions about pivot construction and parts and where I might find something reasonably close to what I'm looking for...figure the boom arm length is fixed and it needs to pivot in both directions. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44B8055B.4040702 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:58:03 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... References: In-Reply-To: Peter Scheu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This is a bit of an apples & oranges discussion. > > The original poster was describing hanging steel wire mesh fencing panels > overhead of people. If they fell, they could really hurt someone. A little > different from levitating a coffee cup. Actually the OP never said they were metal, I assumed something like those vinyl picket fence section you get at home despot. The OP said... > A production company comes into the theatre they've > rented for a show and wants to hang some lightweight > fence pieces on the battens, using baling wire. These > fence pieces are 25-30 pounds each, (2'x5') supported > on top end points by a 10 foot piece of baling wire > attached to the batten, flown 25 feet in the air. Now, no question that solid wire is NOT appropriate for overhead rigging, too fragile, kink it and it gets very weak. Especially if they were re-using the wire from show to show or stop to stop... But two picks per 30 pound piece, if you have a good attachment point in or on the piece, seems fine for 1/16" Black aircraft cable. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:16:53 -0700 I can't agree with you more Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" > >By the way, I have seen a number of handhelds dropped. The only damage > >that any of them have received was a dented wind screen. > > This is a new hip-hop coolness. I've seen a lot more damage than a dented > windscreen, and I've threatened to do far worse. The last thing I do when > I'm miking up a drum kit is ask the drummer if any of the mics are going > to > be 'in his way', indicating that I'll move them if he thinks he may hit > them. > Dropping the mic is a sign of a small, er, mind. If you can't hold on to a > mic till it gets back to the sound crew, you shouldn't get one in the > first > place. Accidents happen, I'll grant you. Don't make me cause an > accident. > "You break it, you bought it" displayed in an obvious manner should keep > the windscreens pretty pristine, one way or another. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ Subject: Blatent Commercial post Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Fox" Hi all , I just wanted to drop a blatant commercial post here for a position I have open. If you are interested in the fun filled and fast paced world of theatrical technical support look no further. 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Feel free to email me privately for more information David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <008091a2bbd672d8f6f7003d604b00df [at] sandiego.edu> From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Strange dimmer behavior -- RESOLUTION Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:25:35 -0700 Thanks to all who provided advice and contacts. With your ideas and some help from Strand tech support, I isolated the problem to the processor module, and have swapped in the processor from a less utilized space while I send the culprit out for repairs. --jamesf On Jul 12, 2006, at 5:10 PM, James Feinberg wrote: > Here's the setup: > > ETC Express 48/96 light board in booth > ETC Unison controller (CME module in ER4 rack backstage, next to the > DE90 rack) > Strand DE90 Digital Environ rack with 24 dimmers backstage for house > and works > ETC Sensor rack with 96 dimmers in attic for stage lights > All interconnected by DMX, so both processors control both racks in a > highest-takes-precedence configuration. > > Here's the behavior: > > Seemingly at random, all of the house and work lights on the Strand > rack will go out, stay out for a few seconds, and then come back on. > No problems with the Sensor rack. It happens with either controller, > although significantly more frequently with the Unison than the > Express (once or twice an hour when the Unison is set to 0% and the > Express is giving levels, but two or three times in 10 or 15 minutes > when the Express is set to 0% and the Unison is giving levels). The > Unison happily reports "System OK". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:14:44 -0400 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: Star Drop....(OT-Ironic) In-reply-to: Message-id: <000001c6a7a3$b009d4e0$7a88c744 [at] tony> If you need a drop full of stars on a sleek black surface, try looking in space by Jupiter... "My God, it's full of stars..." Sorry Dave. I couldn't ignore the 2001 reference. Tony M Kambic > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David > Bowman > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:09 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Star Drop.... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey folks, > > Looking for a Star Drop to borrow/rent for a production of "Around the > World in 80 Days" this September. Someone in the Northeast is preferred > and we'd be happy to come get it if shipping is a concern.... Looking > for roughly 20H x 40W... > > Thanks!!! > > dave B. > > David M. Bowman > Syracuse Stage / SU Drama > Master Electrician / Adj. Professor > dmbowman [at] syr.edu > > Dolor Temporarius... Gloria Aeterna.... > Cicatrices Virgines Placent! ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <70793017-03A0-4F91-ABD7-14463A369085 [at] benonis.net> From: Mike Benonis Subject: Re: Opinions on 3 wireless mic systems Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:53:44 -0400 *steps out of lurk mode* I would suggest looking at a manufacturer that has not been mentioned yet - Lectrosonics. Lectro makes very high quality microphone transmitters that simply work. Their SM model can work under water, and their Venue receiver system is very sensitive, providing fewer drop outs and better reception. Their stuff is a bit pricier than other equipment but well worth the money. (I am not affiliated with Lectro in any way, just a fan of their stuff). Short of that, I would suggest the Shure ULX Pro (not the Standard) system, Shure UHF-R, or the Sennheiser EW 300/500 series. Anything below these systems is of mediocre quality and not likely to stand up to daily use as well. As far as mic elements go, take a look at Countryman, Sennheiser, and DPA. *back to lurk mode* Best regards, Mike Benonis mike [at] benonis.net (703) 577-3788 On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 PM, John Lucs wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have been on the Stagecraft listserve for a while and have gained > alot > of info in the past. I am writing today to get your opinion on a > couple > of wireless mic systems that I am looking at to replace our old VHF > AT-1235 units that we have. > > Some background, We are a college prep high-school in NJ and do a > variety > of shows from straight plays to full blown musicals and everything in > between. The wireless units I purchase need to put up with the > abuse a > high-school student a step above public school may inflict upon the > transmitter body packs. The hand helds could get dropped at one > time or > another or be subjected to a real good yell into the element. We also > have a variety of road shows that travel through our house that I > need to > provide mics once in a while. > > I have gotten 3 different quotes from suppliers and of course I > have to > compare apples, peaches and pears. Not one offered the same type of > system to compare at least price with. > > The 3 options were: Shure ULXS14/93 mic > element- WL93 > Audio-Technica 3110A-D mic element- > MT830CW-TH > Sennheiser EW112G2 mic element- ME2 > > What is your opinion on the durability of these 3 system to the > abuse a > high-school could dish out. I use toupee tape to attached the mic > elements to temples of foreheads and use condoms to protect packs from > sweating out. > > I tend to want to lean towards a pack that uses AA batteries > instead of > 9volts for cost but then again durability is the bottom line, > especially > the mic element and the connector cable to the transmitter pack. > > I would appreciate any advice you could give. We are looking at > buying > 12-15 units and will buy antenna distribution units also. > > jlucs [at] peddie.org > > --JEL-- <>< > John E. Lucs > Peddie School > Theater Tech Director > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:41:36 -0400 Subject: Re: lightweight rigging question... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We're having a great time but it's just as hot up here in Rapid City. They set a record today at 103 degrees F. Bill S ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 7/14/06 10:31 AM, "Peter Scheu" wrote: > Happy trails, Bill! We miss ya in Dallas! ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #878 *****************************