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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34156553; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:02:13 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.3 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #932 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:01:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #932 1. Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody? by Herrick Goldman 2. test by "Edwin Toy" 3. Seating Platforms by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. Building A better Moon Box by "Edwin Toy" 5. Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 6. Re: Building A better Moon Box by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 7. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Andy Champ-Doran 8. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Ford Sellers 9. High School renting out it's equipment by b Ricie 10. Re: Building A better Moon Box by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 11. Re: High School renting out it's equipment by SS 12. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Steve Shelley 13. Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) by Stephen Litterst 14. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Bruce Purdy 15. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Jon Lagerquist" 16. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Pat Kight 18. Re: Speaking of Magazines by "Michael Finney" 19. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Chris Warner" 20. Re: Speaking of Magazines by "Delbert Hall" 21. new fastening method by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 22. Lasers. by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Michael de Almeida 24. Re: Building A better Moon Box by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) by Stephen Litterst 27. Re: new fastening method by "Occy" 28. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Brian Munroe" 29. Re: Building A better Moon Box by KEITH ARSENAULT 30. Re: new fastening method by "RD" 31. Who designed mission accomplished by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 32. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Bill Nelson" 33. Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) by Dale farmer 34. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:50:16 -0400 Subject: Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm in vegas from the 18th to the 22nd. Sorry Andy I don't need a roomate. But a Gathering would not be unwelcome. Thursday? Friday? We could meet AT the Rosebrand Party. Since most folks go to that anyway. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Edwin Toy" Subject: test Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:49:03 -0400 Message-ID: test ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: Seating Platforms Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01c6cc2a$795d53d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: I'm looking for a (rental) source for seating risers in the NYC area. Reply, please, here or offlist. ================================= Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.jeffsalzberg.com 201/379-3138 (Home) 917/238-7430 (Cell) jeffsalzberg (Skype) weblog: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/blog.htm ------------------------------ From: "Edwin Toy" Subject: Building A better Moon Box Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:31:05 -0400 Message-ID: Hello all: coming out of lurk mode to request help and opinions. I have checked the Archives but they are down. I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. I have a few ideas on how to build it. The overall dimension of the box will be 7' x 7' with a 6' diameter moon opening. I am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that "the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a particular scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one red) but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. Any Ideas? Edwin Toy LD The Pierre S. Du Pont Arts Center Wilmington, DE ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:40:04 GMT Subject: Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody? Message-Id: <20060830.054040.8266.413087 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> What about a Saturday get-together? That's my only LDI day this year. /s/ Richard ____________________ But a Gathering would not be unwelcome. Thursday? Friday? We could = meet AT the Rosebrand Party. Since most folks go to that anyway. Herrick Goldman ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7451833.1156945934195.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:52:14 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box Edwin, What's the depth of the box? What were you planning to use as a cover? I've recently had mirror-top globes be suggested to me for light boxes, but have not tried them myself. And of course they wouldn't address the color change needed. Ropelight packed in enough to produce the needed light will most likely get too hot for its own good. One option would be using MR-11 lamps, half of them gelled red (just use gel and blacktak). There's a company called National Specialty Lighting that makes custom strings called "Brightstrips" or something like that. They have swivel bases for the MR-11s. They work really well if you have: 1. A very frosted/diffuse cover, and 2. Enough depth. You WILL need a LOT of them to make it look nice though. The easiest, and I'd say the best option though: just bury a few 6' ministrips in a box that large. Put them along the sides "offstage" of the circular opening. Use four, one on each side for a LOT of punch. I've also done that and it works really well. And you'll have up to 3, or even 6 colors to use when needed. --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- > >Hello all: coming out of lurk mode to request help and opinions. I have >checked the Archives but they are down. > >I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. I have a >few ideas on how to build it. The overall dimension of the box will be 7' x >7' with a 6' diameter moon opening. > >I am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that >"the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a particular >scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one red) >but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. > >Any Ideas? > > >Edwin Toy >LD >The Pierre S. Du Pont Arts Center >Wilmington, DE ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1156946727.44f59b272585a [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:05:27 -0400 From: Andy Champ-Doran Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box References: In-Reply-To: Edwin, Try Osram Linestra, or some other incandescent tube light. They come in 20" and 40" lengths, and you can mount the contacts where you need them. The light source is diffuse, or at least much more so than rope lights, so you don't have the bright and dim points that are common to the rope light string. As far as changing color, you can ru two sets of parallel tubes, and wrap the tubes in two different colors of gel. Good luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504 (845) 758-7962 Quoting Edwin Toy : > I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. > I am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that > "the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a particular > scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one red) > but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060830102432.032bc150 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:32:19 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box In-Reply-To: References:

My $.02, Linestra's are expensive and more of a specialty Item. If you have access to Zip Strips, use them (with the eyj? wide angle lamp), cheating their focus across the back of the box so that you're lighting wth bounce, instead of trying to make an even field from the sides. Even renting 4 of these for a few weeks is not prohibitively expensive. If you have to buy the lamps to relamp your own instruments though, then you'll be spending as much or more than you would on the Linestras (5 bays of 2 MR16 lamps x 2 colors x 4 units is 80 lamps...kinda pricey) -Ford At 10:05 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Edwin, > >Try Osram Linestra, or some other incandescent tube light. They come in >20" and 40" lengths, and you can mount the contacts where you need >them. The light source is diffuse, or at least much more so than >rope lights, >so you don't have the bright and dim points that are common to the rope >light string. > >As far as changing color, you can ru two sets of parallel tubes, and wrap >the tubes in two different colors of gel. > >Good luck, >Andy Champ-Doran >Technical Director >Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater >Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504 >(845) 758-7962 > > >Quoting Edwin Toy : > > I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. > I >am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that > > "the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a > particular > > scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one red) > > but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060830143933.95979.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: High School renting out it's equipment In-Reply-To: How would renting out equipment benefit your program? Would lending for an in kind trade work better? Does the group you are dealing with possible have some equipment you might want to borrow in the future? Is it worth fostering relationships with the local theatres in order to set up a "sharing network"? I worked at a school that was cursed by the general fund. We had small budgets and are located far enough away from rental shops, so the in kind trade worked well for us. By "loaning" things we were able to increase our tool inventory and make our annual and show budget's go much further. " You want to borrow our digi projector?, Sure, I think that is worth somewhere about a new circ saw." Have a plan. If you want to foster the lending, ask for program credit. If you do not want to get calls all the time, go the anonymous route. Personally I like being able to call a number of various venues. I think the personal relationship that is gained by ' working together" will go further in the long run than a rental fee. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3631465.1156950478654.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:07:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box EYC ~ 40=B0 They can be had for about $4.00 or less. If you've got strips in your inventory already, I bet you either have EYC o= r EYJ's in them already. Use some heavy frost or silk. I'd also vote against the Linestras for this size project (7' box). They a= re very dim, fragile, and expensive. Yes, cheaper than buying Ministrips, = but not even in the same universe of intensity/flexibility. --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: Ford Sellers > >Linestra's are expensive and more of a specialty Item. If you have=20 >access to Zip Strips, use them (with the eyj? wide angle lamp),=20 >cheating their focus across the back of the box so that you're=20 >lighting wth bounce, instead of trying to make an even field from the=20 >sides. Even renting 4 of these for a few weeks is not prohibitively=20 >expensive. If you have to buy the lamps to relamp your own=20 >instruments though, then you'll be spending as much or more than you=20 >would on the Linestras (5 bays of 2 MR16 lamps x 2 colors x 4 units=20 >is 80 lamps...kinda pricey) > >-Ford > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0608300835v5a762a71y59996c64170f21d7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:35:58 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: High School renting out it's equipment In-Reply-To: References: >>>> I would whole heartedly agree with the statements below. Your stuff will come back worse for the wear, and I'm quessing you don't have a large annual replacement budget. The time and paperwork required to ensure you know where everything is and when its to come back isn't worth the trouble,and chances are you'll need something thats been lent out and not returned. Folks have a wonderful knack for doing whatever it takes to borrow stuff, but are less enthusiastic about getting it back in a timely manner. I've been burned this way a couple of times; even by those giving me their personal guarantee and promise.<<<< No one has touched on this yet, or perhaps I just missed it along the way, but what are the details behind the loaner? What were they looking to borrow exactly...again? Is it for a night, two days, a week, a month, they skipping town with your gear? Is it possible to loan them the gear, under the condition you are person handling it during the in, out, and everywhere else in between? If it isn't a lengthy time commitment on your end, and they're only looking for some instruments or something for a simple one-off, could you hand deliver, hang, focus, whatever, and strike your own gear? While I don't know your situation/locale/etc., if it would help any in the name of establishing a repoire, and thus beginning the "trust train" between facilities/venues, can you swing that? Is it an option to consider? I know this could open up a whole other can of worms too, but it was just a thought, as well as my .02. -SS TTS-EKU "Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute. But set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:42:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello edwin; there are as many opinions and tactics about moonboxes as there are available light sources. A few thoughts: 1. paint the inside of the box flat white to reflect whatever light source is eventually decided upon. 2. provide ventilation holes (usually in the sides usually) to help dissipate the heat of the sources. 3. provide enough of a "lip" offstage of the moon opening so that, whatever source is used, it is hidden away from the 'edge' of the moon, preventing hot spots in the translucent covering. 4. the more opaque the moon's surface, the more wattage/oomph you'll need inside the box. 5. consider whatever bulbs you have the most of that will be cheap (and presumably line voltage.) I've seen great success using two circuits of 100w A lamps to create the effect you describe. The diameter of the moon, however, may require a bucket of them to evenly illuminate the entire translucent surface. (in smaller boxes I've also seen music stand T-6 lamps). 6. when you design the box, consider doors/snap-off backing/whatever so that you can quickly get inside the box to troubleshoot or replace burnouts. Yes the sad voice of experience. 7. the weight of the sockets/wiring may also impact how the box needs to be rigged so that it remains flat, rather than hanging at an angle. 8. keep a black scrim in your back pocket if/when you start to see the outside edge of the box from the audience. 9. test the box in the shop and onstage prior to showing it to the director. Hth, shelley On 8/30/06 8:31 AM, "Edwin Toy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all: coming out of lurk mode to request help and opinions. I have > checked the Archives but they are down. > > I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. I have a > few ideas on how to build it. The overall dimension of the box will be 7' x > 7' with a 6' diameter moon opening. > > I am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that > "the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a particular > scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one red) > but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. > > Any Ideas? > > > Edwin Toy > LD > The Pierre S. Du Pont Arts Center > Wilmington, DE > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F5B416.4070307 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:51:50 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) References:

In-Reply-To: Brian Munroe wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > "a powerful and passionate science fiction book about two young lovers > driven apart by pride, power and the vastness of interstellar time and > space" Yep, sounds like Heinlein. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:58:15 -0400 > 4. the more opaque the moon's surface, the more wattage/oomph > you'll need > inside the box. > 8. keep a black scrim in your back pocket if/when you start to see the > outside edge of the box from the audience. One technique I've seen used successfully is to dispense with both the scrim, and a translucent face. The opening of the moon is just that - an opening, and the box is hung directly behind the Cyc. The Cyc itself both acts as the "Translucent surface", and the box is completely hidden from view at all times. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <22247.198.173.173.248.1156953960.squirrel [at] webmail.lagerquist.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box From: "Jon Lagerquist" Reply-To: jon [at] lagerquist.com I have found that A lamps work well and they give you the option of making this part brighter or more blue very easily. I have a 8 foot diameter moon that we like a lot. First because it is round. The box is 1 foot deep of six laminated layers of 1/8" ply. The face is three layers. First a layer of RP screen to even out any lighting. A half inch in front of that is the translucent painted moon and a half inch in front of that is a layer of black bobbinet. Jon Lagerquist South Coast Repertory, Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F5B87A.30105 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:10:34 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box References: In-Reply-To: Edwin Toy wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. I have a > few ideas on how to build it. The overall dimension of the box will be 7' x > 7' with a 6' diameter moon opening. Once upon a time I built a moon box that large. On a box that size you'll want to keep the face uncovered. You won't be getting enough light at the center to punch through any fabric. Make the back face of the box out of a smooth material (MDF) and put a nice, even coat of white paint on it. I don't remember precise dimensions but I believe our box had 100w A lamps on 1' centers. The whole until was around 2200w. You could put in sockets on 6" centers, and wire them alternately so that you get two circuits of light on 1' centers. As Steve Shelley said, ventilate. Short of using a ton of LEDs, any light source that will fill a box of that size is going to create a lot of heat. Our design amounted to being a box within a box. The inner box (the moon box) had vents going to the outer box. The vents on the outer box were staggered to trap light from escaping while the heat could move freely. We were also able to do the wiring through the outer box, making the unit look much nicer. Make sure your wiring is rated appropriately. I have seen moon boxes get hot enough to melt most zip cord. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F5BF5D.4090302 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:39:57 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: >> 4. the more opaque the moon's surface, the more wattage/oomph you'll >> need >> inside the box. > > > >> 8. keep a black scrim in your back pocket if/when you start to see the >> outside edge of the box from the audience. > One technique I've seen used successfully is to dispense with both > the scrim, and a translucent face. The opening of the moon is just that > - an opening, and the box is hung directly behind the Cyc. The Cyc > itself both acts as the "Translucent surface", and the box is > completely hidden from view at all times. One of the best-looking instant "moon boxes" I've seen was an old, beat-up old scoop that my pal and fellow list-subscriber Don Taco hung behind a scrim-being-used-as-a-cyc, facing front, quite possibly on a whim (or maybe he'll pipe up and say it was brilliant design, who knows?) Something about the random dents, bumps and dirty spots on the inner surface of the fixture, diffused by the fabric (and a gel?), looked *just* like the moon, craters and all, when he ran it at a fairly low level. Don about blew a gasket when a (*ahem*) "helpful" theater volunteer decided to clean out the light storage room and threw it away. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Speaking of Magazines Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F3E02 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" Bill Sapsis wrote: <> <> <> <> <> Well said, Unca Bill! If we're talking about the same harness manufacturer here (and gee, that fabrication looked familiar), I know that they've had some concerns with people who "pretty much knew what they were doing" using their harnesses (usually from somebody *else's* set of equipment) and they're trying to only deal with people they know and trust to use their kit properly and safely. Not to mention the backlog of orders - these guys are good (and you all knew Bill only uses the best toys!) As Bill says - it's about the safety of the people first; *everything* else second (or lower). I'll definitely second the nomination of a spokesmodel for the ETCP programs - assuming Eddie doesn't beat me to it!=20 And are you sure you want to compliment Mike like that in public??!?!?!? You may have to promote him to "Senior Twin" or something!=20 =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 =20 ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Building A better Moon Box Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:10:19 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c6cc57$311f6540$6801a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Well since nobody else suggested it, I will. The last moon box I did, = was for a portal UC of the ship. IT was roughly 1 foot In diameter, = painted, then I used a colorblast mounted into the bottom of the opening. In my = area the colorblasts are relatively inexpensive to rent for a production = these were in for 6 weeks. You mileage may vary. Chris Warner > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Edwin = Toy > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:31 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Building A better Moon Box >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hello all: coming out of lurk mode to request help and opinions. I = have > checked the Archives but they are down. >=20 > I have been asked to build a Moon Box for an upcoming production. I = have a > few ideas on how to build it. The overall dimension of the box will be = 7' x > 7' with a 6' diameter moon opening. >=20 > I am stuck on what type of light source to use. The Director has asked that > "the moon" change color from "normal" light to red light during a particular > scene. I was thinking of using two sets of rope light (one clear one = red) > but I don't think that the rope light will provide enough brightness. >=20 > Any Ideas? >=20 >=20 > Edwin Toy > LD > The Pierre S. Du Pont Arts Center > Wilmington, DE ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:56:27 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Speaking of Magazines In-Reply-To: References: I know of two two companies that build this type of harness. The zig-zag 1" webbing makes it look a lot like the ones built by the CA company that I purchased more than 35 harnesses from over a six-year period. Harness making requires some very specialized tools and knowledge, that was why I was surprised when they said in the video that Sapsis Rigging had built the harnesses. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <17654252.1156967801760.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:56:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: new fastening method Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen! Today we made the discovery that there are, in fact, enough layers of paint on the cement walls of the theater that we can actually staple things to them. Just thought y'all might be interested in trying out this technique. ;) Fred -- "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center 214 920 9911 x122 "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:36:37 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Lasers. I posted this to the lighting newsgroup but thought you guys and gals might be interested in it too...... It doesn't seem that long since a club laser was typically an argon unit with a water cooled head. Now with DPSS greens and surprisingly high power "normal" red lasers the cost of a scanning club laser has crashed to very affordable levels. I just bought a three colour unit (red, yellow and green) on ebay with a stepper based scanning system and really like it. Print out this picture and I'll talk you through what's inside.... http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/laser.jpg OK. The green laser is the large black extruded aluminium chunk at the front left. It's rated 50mW but because green lasers use a much higher power infra red diode to stimulate a crystal to lase in a different wavelength, then double it's output frequency with another crystal the power dissipation tends to be pretty high compared to a conventional red laser diode. Despite being half the optical power of the red laser the green outshines it in perceived intensity due to the spectral response of the human eye. It's very bright indeed. The red laser is the surprisingly small brass tube clamped in an aluminium bracket just to the back right of the green lasers black extruded case. For 100mW it's tiny! But then the construction of a red laser is very simple compared to other types. The beams are combined by the 45 degree piece of dichroic glass mounted on the short pillar in front of the red laser which passes the green beam straight through but reflects the red beam sideways so that it is in parallel with the green beam. The assembly is accurately positioned so the two beams combine to produce a good bright yellow when both are active. The beams then pass on to the deflection system which is very simple in that it uses two small stepper motors to wiggle two bits of front mirrored glass. The stepper motors are high resolution, but the actual movement is small so everything "drawn" by the laser has a slightly stepped appearance with the mechanical mass of the rotors causing "loopy" edges. At power-up the motors get their positional reference in the same way as many moving mirror lights by winding round and stalling against two protruding screws that have been "fine tuned" by being bent! :) At the back of the unit is a transformer for the fan, steppers and control card, while the lasers themselves are surprisingly controlled by two independent mains powered switch mode supplies stacked on top of each other. The switch mode supplies are at the middle left of the case with the cream coloured PCBs. Each of the laser supplies has a simple two wire logic level control from the main controller. The main control PCB (the green one) has a bit of basic power supply circuitry on it and a large processor which looks as though it might be an Atmel, although there is a label covering the chip data. The controller has 10 channel DMX and localised control options with a built in microphone and sensitivity control. The stepper motors are surprisingly controlled by a pair of ULN2803 octal Darlington arrays with the circuits paired into four 1A drivers per chip. I suppose it's an easy way of driving the steppers and has the nice benefit of integrated diodes for shunting any inductive backlash from the windings. And that's about it. The images projected onto a wall show the rough output from the stepping motors, but when the beams are cutting through the haze it looks great. The price difference between the stepper version and the full galvanic (high resolution) deflection system is huge so it's a small price to pay for a good visual effect. In short quite a fun unit. Perfect for clubs or just as a techno-toy. The unit dissected in today's class was the EL-150RGY bought from:- http://stores.ebay.com/Laserworld-Shop Right. What can I take to bits next. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <901BC58A-D1B9-49C9-BD63-4CE549F8170E [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:42:31 -0400 Hello, If you're just looking into having a moon, you should also look into the Rosco Imagepro or moon gobo. You can get a moon slide/ gobo and project the moon where you want it. Also, if you have 2 instruments with different color gels, you can have the moon change color. It's just a suggestion. Later. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F608AB.3060303 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:52:43 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box References:

In-Reply-To: Michael de Almeida wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > If you're just looking into having a moon, you should also look > into the Rosco Imagepro or moon gobo. You can get a moon slide/ gobo > and project the moon where you want it. Also, if you have 2 > instruments with different color gels, you can have the moon change > color. It's just a suggestion. Later. I've built moon boxes and I've also projected moons. Each has its time and place. Of course, making it a lighting effect puts it onto someone else's agenda and budget. Worth thinking about. :) Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8C89A98560BD3FB-8B0-3BA [at] mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) > "a powerful and passionate science fiction book about two young=20 lovers=C2=A0 > driven apart by pride, power and the vastness of interstellar time=20 and=C2=A0 > space"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yep, sounds like Heinlein.=C2=A0 Which one? I have read pretty well all his work, and much of it is on=20 my shelves. But I can't think of a novel with such a scenario. =C2=A0 Steve L.=C2=A0 -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor=C2=A0 litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts=C2=A0 302/831-0601 University of Delaware=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F6141E.3060700 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:41:34 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) References:

In-Reply-To: frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >>> "a powerful and passionate science fiction book about two young >>> lovers driven apart by pride, power and the vastness of interstellar time >>> and space" > > >> Yep, sounds like Heinlein. > > Which one? I have read pretty well all his work, and much of it is on my > shelves. But I can't think of a novel with such a scenario. No specific one, but Heinlein often incorporates passion, lovers, pride, and the vastness of interstellar time and space. Let's see, "Time Enough for Love" involves Lazarus Long being separated from many lovers (his mother being one) by the vastness of time and space. "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" handles the same tale from another perspective. "The Number of the Beast" allows the lovers to remain together but they are driven away from their lives and their homes by evil forces, power and the vastness of interstellar time and space. "Friday" concerns a young woman driven from her family by pride (theirs) and embroiled in a conspiracy that forces her across the vastness of interstellar time and space. "Job: A comedy of justice" circles around a man tested on all fronts by pride and power and eventually separated from his one true love by the vast gulf between Heaven and Hell. Shall I go on? As always, your mileage may vary, as may your interpretation of Heinlein's themes. Steve L. (I admit that all these one-sentence synopses do a disservice to Heinlein's novels and that some may have errors, as my bookshelves are currently packed in 40 boxes about 300 miles away.) -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) References: Subject: Re: new fastening method Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:09:28 -0700 Your good to get a staple to stick a painted powered wall! As I recall cement is this gray alkaline power when mixed with rock, sand and water becomes concrete which is used from sidewalks to walls and even bridges. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." > Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen! > > Today we made the discovery that there are, in > fact, enough layers of paint on the cement walls > of the theater that we can actually staple things > to them. > > Just thought y'all might be interested in trying > out this technique. ;) > > Fred > > -- > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center > 214 920 9911 x122 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:23:06 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box In-Reply-To: References: One of the coolest moons I have seen was a plexi disc (milk, I think) lite on the edges with a tightly focused leko from off in the wings. Basic, but looked great. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <6F0981E4-2443-47CF-A3DE-B5BB998FA06E [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:54:38 -0400 i vote for building the box, , , moon boxes don't show the beam of light from a projected moon if there's the slightest haze, mist or DUST in the air, , boxes almost ALWAYS look better than the projection, , you don't need scrim , , i've made three or four in my day ( even a SUN box ) and rigged them to traveler track as well and made them move and shift gently over the course of an act, , , have pretty much always used tube lights, , like in a music stand or similar, , , clear, , not frosted, , and repainted the "face" of the moon as needed for the production, , On Aug 30, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: I've built moon boxes and I've also projected moons. Each has its time and place. Of course, making it a lighting effect puts it onto someone else's agenda and budget. Worth thinking about. :) Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: new fastening method Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:44:48 -0600 Message-ID: <00a201c6cc9f$0c218eb0$c801a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: AND THE BOYS KNOW CEMENT FROM CONCRETE, ESP. IN MANY RIVERS, LAKES, AND STADIUMS. DOOM -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Occy Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:09 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: Fred Schoening, Jr. Subject: Re: new fastening method For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Your good to get a staple to stick a painted powered wall! As I recall cement is this gray alkaline power when mixed with rock, sand and water becomes concrete which is used from sidewalks to walls and even bridges. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." > Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen! > > Today we made the discovery that there are, in > fact, enough layers of paint on the cement walls > of the theater that we can actually staple things > to them. > > Just thought y'all might be interested in trying > out this technique. ;) > > Fred > > -- > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center > 214 920 9911 x122 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: Who designed mission accomplished Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:40:36 -0400 Knowing how much of what appears in the political sphere was really designed by stage designers....to whit the Republican Convention "set" being designed by Joe Stuart, a question came up in a class that I was teaching today.... Did a stage designer have a hand in Bush's now infamous "Mission Accomplished" sign??? If any of you know, do reply on or off the list please! Thanks in advance. RichardF ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1064.205.215.254.85.1157000619.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box From: "Bill Nelson" > One technique I've seen used successfully is to dispense with both > the scrim, and a translucent face. The opening of the moon is just > that - an opening, and the box is hung directly behind the Cyc. The > Cyc itself both acts as the "Translucent surface", and the box is > completely hidden from view at all times. Another way to get the light out is to dome the back surface behind the opening and paint it flat white (or add lunar detail if desired). The lamps then illuminate this domed surface, rather than a translucent face. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F67083.1010203 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:15:47 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: New Heinlein Novel (yeah yeah its off-topic, we know) References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> "a powerful and passionate science fiction book about two young >>>> lovers driven apart by pride, power and the vastness of interstellar >>>> time and space" >> >> >>> Yep, sounds like Heinlein. >> >> Which one? I have read pretty well all his work, and much of it is on >> my shelves. But I can't think of a novel with such a scenario. > > > No specific one, but Heinlein often incorporates passion, lovers, pride, > and the vastness of interstellar time and space. > > Let's see, "Time Enough for Love" involves Lazarus Long being separated > from many lovers (his mother being one) by the vastness of time and > space. "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" handles the same tale from another > perspective. "The Number of the Beast" allows the lovers to remain > together but they are driven away from their lives and their homes by > evil forces, power and the vastness of interstellar time and space. > "Friday" concerns a young woman driven from her family by pride (theirs) > and embroiled in a conspiracy that forces her across the vastness of > interstellar time and space. "Job: A comedy of justice" circles around > a man tested on all fronts by pride and power and eventually separated > from his one true love by the vast gulf between Heaven and Hell. > > Shall I go on? As always, your mileage may vary, as may your > interpretation of Heinlein's themes. > > Steve L. > (I admit that all these one-sentence synopses do a disservice to > Heinlein's novels and that some may have errors, as my bookshelves are > currently packed in 40 boxes about 300 miles away.) The only new Heinlein book out recently is a bio, not one of his fictions. ( Ignoring the issue of how high a percentage of fiction ends up in a lot of biographies) The man has been dead for years, and the stuff that was published posthumously were mostly the unedited versions of his stories, and, I think, some stories pulled out of his files that never should have been published. My conclusion after reading the edited and the unexpurgated versions: Heinlein needed an editor. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1079.205.215.254.85.1157001691.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box From: "Bill Nelson" > i vote for building the box, , , moon boxes don't show the beam of > light from a projected moon if there's the slightest haze, mist or > DUST in the air, I recently lit "On Golden Pond", and used the moon for some of my cues. There was no risk of any visible light beam, as the 6x9 ER was behind the set and only about 6 feet from the cyc. A donut in the gel frame holder made the pattern image nice and sharp. A wiggle light with a realistic moon pattern would have allowed for some motion, but I did not have that option. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #932 *****************************