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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34203685; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:01:02 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_00, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,TW_NM autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #933 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:00:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #933 1. auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #932 by James.G.Antrim [at] williams.edu 2. Black Box Paint by Barney Simon 3. Re: Black Box Paint by "Jon Ares" 4. storing lamps by "Laura Eckelman" 5. Re: Building A better Moon Box by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 7. Re: storing lamps by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 8. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by "Bill Nelson" 9. Re: storing lamps by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: storing lamps by Steve Shelley 11. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 12. Re: storing lamps by Ford Sellers 13. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 14. Re: Black Box Paint by Stephen Litterst 15. Posh followup (waaaaaaay OT) by Stephen Litterst 16. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 17. Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s by Ford Sellers 18. Tasty. by Clive Mitchell 19. Re: Tasty. by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 20. Re: Tasty. by "Tony Deeming" 21. Re: Tasty. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 22. Re: Tasty. by 23. VW pointer by "Paul Schreiner" 24. Re: Tasty. by "Kirk Wahamaki" 25. Re: Tasty. by Herrick Goldman 26. Re: VW pointer by "Kevin Linzey" 27. Re: VW pointer by "Paul Schreiner" 28. Ballet for the big boys by Scott Spidell 29. Re: Tasty. by "Flowers, Curt" 30. Re: Tasty. by Bruce Purdy 31. Re: Tasty. by "Kirk Wahamaki" 32. Re: Off Topic: When A Community Theater Company Member Drops Out by CB 33. Re: Tasty. by "Joe Golden" 34. Elektor DMX project. by Clive Mitchell 35. Re: Tasty. by Clive Mitchell 36. Re: Tasty. by Clive Mitchell 37. Re: Tasty. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 38. Re: Ballet for the big boys by "chrisharris25" 39. Re: Ballet for the big boys by "Delbert Hall" 40. Re: storing lamps by Dale farmer 41. LC2412 by Clive Mitchell 42. Re: LC2412 by "John Penisten" 43. Re: Speaking of Magazines by CB 44. Re: Tasty. by "Kent Laue" 45. Video Conference by CB 46. Re: Tasty. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 47. Battery Question by "David Roberts" 48. Re: Battery Question by Jerry Durand 49. Re: Tasty. by "Daryl Redmon" 50. casters by "Occy" 51. LDI Get-Together (was Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody?) by "Andy Leviss" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: James.G.Antrim [at] williams.edu Subject: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #932 Message-id: <0J4U08J03X7C8B [at] williams.edu> Please forward all e-mail to: jantrim [at] gmu.edu Thank you. Jim Antrim James G. Antrim,PM College of Visual and Performing Arts Center for the Arts George Mason University 4400 University Dr Fairfax,VA 22030-4444 703.993.2196 o 413.717.1677 c jantrim [at] gmu.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F6DD81.2010005 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:00:49 -0400 From: Barney Simon Subject: Black Box Paint I know we discussed the color of the floor in black boxes, but the director at the HS i work with just called to question me about what finish the wall paint should be... Flat/Eggshell/Semi-Gloss.... I always thought ULTRA Flat... but not being in the using end all that much any more, I thought I would get others notes. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c6ccff$8865fd70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Black Box Paint Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:15:30 -0700 > I know we discussed the color of the floor in black boxes, but the > director at the HS i work with just called to question me about what > finish the wall paint should be... Flat/Eggshell/Semi-Gloss.... > > I always thought ULTRA Flat... but not being in the using end all that > much any more, I thought I would get others notes. We ultimately decided to do our new BB with basic flat black.... I'm really on the fence about it personally..... the basic flat black is easy to reapply/match when a show loads out.... OTOH, satin or semi- makes sweeping easier, and doesn't get that dull 'grey' look (if we're talking black paint). We discussed doing a medium or light grey for the floor, but everyone decided that 'matching' the floor (more or less) after productions would look better (and that appearance would be important, at least for a couple of years, in this new space), so flat black (which we go through about 50 gallons each year anyway) would be best.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:31:44 -0400 From: "Laura Eckelman" Subject: storing lamps Here's a question for the list: Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) Prompt replies would be much appreciated. Thanks everyone! ~Laura Eckelman ------------------------------ Message-ID: <06d401c6cd02$b4a1f760$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Building A better Moon Box Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:38:11 -1000 <> Yet another technique that I used and really liked was to build up the "surface" of the moon on the back of the box with a mixture of drywall mud and white glue. I created a rough texture to simulate valleys, mountains, and craters. This was painted flat white then finished with a grey/black wash which settled into the various depressions in the texture. No front cover. Lit with porcelain sockets and regular Edison base light bulbs on 6" centers as I remember. The box was about 6' square. I didn't try to copy the actual surface of the moon but might if I had to do it again. Looked really bitchin'. Laters, Paul "Can I become a chorister?" Tom inquired. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16418178.1157031497506.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s Laura, they should be fine. For the rest of you, I'm curious as to how you store large numbers of PAR-64 lamps. I have something like 200-250 of them in storage. Anyone have a good system that uses as little space as possible. The original boxes aren't really an option as I only have boxes for about 1/3 or them. We've been using plastic bins with lids. Thoughts? Thanks! --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: Laura Eckelman >Sent: Aug 31, 2006 9:31 AM >To: Stagecraft >Subject: storing lamps > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Here's a question for the list: > >Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working >for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics >equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be >okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about >HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) > >Prompt replies would be much appreciated. > >Thanks everyone! > >~Laura Eckelman ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: storing lamps Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00b801c6cd03$cab31dd0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I am > working for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores > all electrics equipment in an uninsulated barn over the > winter. Will the lamps be okay when they emerge next fall? Is this the first year they've done this? If not, I'd guess that the results will be much like those of the past. The lamps shouldn't be any worse off than the ones used by those of us who work in Vermont between November and March, when the temperature is considerably...er...less than warm. I was in Montpelier a few years ago when they had the coldest January in many years -- and 3 of the theater's 4 heaters were not working. The lamps fared far better than we did. Actually, -36F isn't so bad once your face freezes and goes numb. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2003.205.215.254.85.1157032259.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s From: "Bill Nelson" > For the rest of you, I'm curious as to how you store large numbers of > PAR-64 lamps. I have something like 200-250 of them in storage. Anyone > have a good system that uses as little space as possible. The original > boxes aren't really an option as I only have boxes for about 1/3 or them. > We've been using plastic bins with lids. I don't like to have lamps banging against each other. Would it be possible to find some boxes of roughly the right size on ebay? Even a thin cardboard layer between lamps would be better than glass-to-glass contact. You could then put them on shelves and use up less space than is needed for the plastic bins. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2009.205.215.254.85.1157032628.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: storing lamps From: "Bill Nelson" > Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working > for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics > equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be > okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about > HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) As long as you don't get corrosion due to condensation on the contacts, they should be fine. One check might be to put a piece of iron or brass on the shelf by the lamps. If the metal rusts/corrodes, then you might want to consider moving the lamps elsewhere. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:59:46 -0400 Subject: Re: storing lamps From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello laura; In my experience storage temperature for theatre lamps has never been an issue. And I've not had any problems with non-humidity controlled situations either. Keeping the lamps DRY (above flood level) is typically more of a priority (gak can develop on the contacts), but that's based on storage in hurricane-prone areas. And for par lamps, we store and schlep them around in plastic tubs all the time. Hth, shelley On 8/31/06 9:31 AM, "Laura Eckelman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here's a question for the list: > > Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working > for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics > equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be > okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about > HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) > > Prompt replies would be much appreciated. > > Thanks everyone! > > ~Laura Eckelman -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: storing lamps--PAR-64s Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:20:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00bb01c6cd08$a3be2da0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Even a thin cardboard layer between lamps would be > better than glass-to-glass contact. Small sheets of bubble wrap work well. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060831102342.03080e10 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:25:27 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: storing lamps In-Reply-To: References:

Yes, And Yes. Your lamps should be fine, and we store Par 64 lamps in plastic 50+ Gal Garbage cans. It has a certain symmetry..Parcan/GarbageCan. -Ford >On 8/31/06 9:31 AM, "Laura Eckelman" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Here's a question for the list: > > > > Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working > > for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics > > equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be > > okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about > > HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) > > > > Prompt replies would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > ~Laura Eckelman > >-- >Steve Shelley >SoftSymbols Designer >MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net >www.fieldtemplate.com ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <22219326.1157034436904.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s I'm not concerned for the glass, etc as the bins do not get moved all that much. The plastic bins we have will fit 8 lamps if you put them in "just right". They are only in one "layer", on edge when full. In 5 years of using this system we've probably had 2 or 3 break in storage. Eh.... I was more hoping to hear about some great idea someone has had for their storage. The plastic bins we have fit on a shelf, with six more loose lamps on top of each one. That's as tight as I can get them with the current set-up. Any other ideas out there? Thanks all! --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > >> Even a thin cardboard layer between lamps would be >> better than glass-to-glass contact. > >Small sheets of bubble wrap work well. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F6F306.5010907 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:32:38 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Black Box Paint References: In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I know we discussed the color of the floor in black boxes, but the > director at the HS i work with just called to question me about what > finish the wall paint should be... Flat/Eggshell/Semi-Gloss.... I'm a big fan of eggshell or satin. Just enough of a finish to clean up nicely before a show. Flat just absorbs dirt from patron's shoes and only looks good for one night. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F6F488.9020407 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:39:04 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Posh followup (waaaaaaay OT) This whole discussion of the etymology of "posh" has been keeping me up at nights darnit. Wikipedia quotes the traditional "Port Out Starboard Home" origin, quickly dismissing it in favor of the term evolving from the British "push," meaning "a dandy." The Oxford English Dictionary gives slight credibility to the nautical origin, but trace it more directly to a thieve's slang for money. This slang for money traces back to the early 1800s, where the slang for dandy seems to have evolved from it towards the later part of the 19th century. Hope this little bit of etymological trivia has added just a touch of surreality to your day. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: RE: storing lamps--PAR-64s Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c6cd15$43e1da00$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root> In-Reply-To: Custom Build shelves to be the height on one lamp and the depth of two lamps. Make them as tall as you can reach and as wide as you have space for... I guess first you have to find a wall in your building that doesn't already have shelves in front of it... rarely an easy task. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:27 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm not concerned for the glass, etc as the bins do not get moved all that much. The plastic bins we have will fit 8 lamps if you put them in "just right". They are only in one "layer", on edge when full. In 5 years of using this system we've probably had 2 or 3 break in storage. Eh.... I was more hoping to hear about some great idea someone has had for their storage. The plastic bins we have fit on a shelf, with six more loose lamps on top of each one. That's as tight as I can get them with the current set-up. Any other ideas out there? Thanks all! --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > >> Even a thin cardboard layer between lamps would be >> better than glass-to-glass contact. > >Small sheets of bubble wrap work well. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060831132908.03310ca0 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:32:55 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: storing lamps--PAR-64s In-Reply-To: References:

Multiple Garbage cans, (the grey industrial strength ones), they're stackable if you keep the lids. Plus if you need to haul them up to a catwalk (or in our case down from the lamp storage room off of the Catwalk), you can just tie a line through the handles and across the top, and lower (or raise). Fully portable, Cheap, easy to organize (one can for MFL, one for WFL, etc.). I got the Idea from a rental house in Las Vegas. At 11:51 AM 8/31/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Custom Build shelves to be the height on one lamp and the depth of two >lamps. Make them as tall as you can reach and as wide as you have space >for... I guess first you have to find a wall in your building that doesn't >already have shelves in front of it... rarely an easy task. ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:35:12 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Tasty. Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. :) http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:39:27 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: Tasty. What about your spoon? ;-) >>> bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com 8/31/2006 1:35 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. :) http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:36 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: ROTFLMAO!! I assume it did the job, then...!!! And where was Davie perched to take the photo?? TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Clive > Mitchell > Sent: 31 August 2006 18:35 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Tasty. > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry > at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. > :) > > http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00d701c6cd28$176886f0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Clive, you've left out the important details. Stir-fried shrimp? Beef? Chicken? What kind of a gig was it (PLEASE tell us it was a wok concert)? ================================= Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.jeffsalzberg.com 201/379-3138 (Home) 917/238-7430 (Cell) jeffsalzberg (Skype) weblog: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/blog.htm > Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a > quick stir-fry > at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety > bonds on them. > :) > > http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: And where is the venue with the view of water and mountains?? Steve=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:40 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ROTFLMAO!! I assume it did the job, then...!!! And where was Davie perched to take the photo?? TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Clive=20 > Mitchell > Sent: 31 August 2006 18:35 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Tasty. >=20 >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick=20 > stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. > :) >=20 > http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg >=20 > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com >=20 ------------------------------ Subject: VW pointer Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A060C7D00 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" I've switched over to a new computer at work and seem to be unable to find the address for the VectorWorks theatre users group...can someone point me to the email address? Alternatively, does anyone know how to get all ones fonts to appear on the font menu in VW 11? I've got nearly 700 on my computer, but the screen won't allow me to see more than the first 300 or so... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Kirk Wahamaki" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:04:15 -0400 Organization: Muskegon Civic Theatre Message-ID: <001901c6cd30$40d1bf90$c2753eb0$ [at] org> WFL, MFL, or NFL? Kirk M. Wahamaki Artistic Director, Muskegon Civic Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. :) http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:19:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Tasty. From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Depends on what you are cooking. A nice souffle needs an even wash like a WFL or even a parnel. On 8/31/06 3:04 PM, "Kirk Wahamaki" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > WFL, MFL, or NFL? > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: VW pointer Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Kevin Linzey" You can subscribe to the VW theatre list at http://lists.nemetschek.net/archives/theater-l.html In think in V11 you are only going to see the first 255 fonts. If VW11 has the "Format Text..." menu then you may be able to see all of your fonts using that dialog. Kevin =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf=20 > Of Paul Schreiner > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:51 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: VW pointer >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I've switched over to a new computer at work and seem to be=20 > unable to find the address for the VectorWorks theatre users=20 > group...can someone point me to the email address? >=20 > Alternatively, does anyone know how to get all ones fonts to=20 > appear on the font menu in VW 11? I've got nearly 700 on my=20 > computer, but the screen won't allow me to see more than the=20 > first 300 or so... >=20 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: VW pointer Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A060C7D88 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > In think in V11 you are only going to see the first 255=20 > fonts. If VW11 has the "Format Text..." menu then you may be=20 > able to see all of your fonts using that dialog. That's what I needed! Thanks... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060831164222.00adc820 [at] uwaterloo.ca> Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060831155259.01b7aee8 [at] watarts.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:43:21 -0400 From: Scott Spidell Subject: Ballet for the big boys Just saw this link from the CITT website - thought I should share. How do you keep the marley clean? http://bravofact.com/shorts/details.asp?projectID=2050 Scott Scott Spidell Drama Department University of Waterloo ML 104 x84767 or 519-888-4767 (F) 519-725-0651 drama.uwaterloo.ca ccat.uwaterloo.ca ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6A5D1F7AAA9AD24696B12DC283BAF9F7A63051 [at] ADMINMAIL1.ui.uillinois.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Flowers, Curt" Cc: kwahamaki [at] muskegoncivictheatre.org WFL =3D Wide Flood MFL =3D Medium Flood NFL (Narrow Flood?) I've seen this only as NSP =3D Narrow Spot=09 These are the abbreviations used to describe the beam angle of PAR lamps. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Wahamaki Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:04 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- WFL, MFL, or NFL? Kirk M. Wahamaki Artistic Director, Muskegon Civic Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them.=20 :) http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:57:24 -0400 > WFL = Wide Flood > MFL = Medium Flood > NFL (Narrow Flood?) I've seen this only as NSP = Narrow Spot > > These are the abbreviations used to describe the beam angle of PAR > lamps. I read that as the National Football League. I know Clive isn't in the US, but it DOES look like a stadium! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Kirk Wahamaki" References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:01:59 -0400 Organization: Muskegon Civic Theatre Message-ID: <001c01c6cd40$b370c130$1a524390$ [at] org> Sorry, my eagerness to make the joke caused the brain to complete the grouping incorrectly. I stand chastised once again. Kirk Kirk M. Wahamaki kwahamaki [at] muskegoncivictheatre.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Flowers, Curt Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:48 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: kwahamaki [at] muskegoncivictheatre.org Subject: Re: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- WFL = Wide Flood MFL = Medium Flood NFL (Narrow Flood?) I've seen this only as NSP = Narrow Spot These are the abbreviations used to describe the beam angle of PAR lamps. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Wahamaki Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:04 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- WFL, MFL, or NFL? Kirk M. Wahamaki Artistic Director, Muskegon Civic Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Tasty. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Just thought I'd share this picture of me making myself a quick stir-fry at work. For reference, both the can and wok had safety bonds on them. :) http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060831144308.00c4cca0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:43:08 From: CB Subject: Re: Off Topic: When A Community Theater Company Member Drops Out > It is unwise to burn = >bridges. When we cast actors who are rising stars, we take the risk = >that they will have to be replaced, but we are budgeted for that, and = >the other actors often think that if this actor can be cast for a = >major project after being seen in one of my shows, it can happen to = >them, too. This assists in the recruitment and retention of good = >actors, I think that it's a matter of attitude. If I wish to replace myself on a call with the local, I'll find a replacement that has a similar skill-set to mine, and *THEN* call the BA and *ASK* if it is alright to take the big-paying gig and have this other person fill my load-in call. The answer has not only been always yes, but there has been an enthusiastically positive response to the fact that all the BA has to do is decide, and change the name on the sign-in sheet. No last minute frantic calling aroudn to see who's busy and qho's free, or apologizing to the travelling crew for sending a carp to do a sound guy's job. (No slur intended, he'd have the same reaction if I were to show up on a wood butchery call...) I've also gotten a lot of work by refusing a client's offer, on the grounds that I had another gig. I've turned down A $1500 day for a $150 charity gig, citing my first-come-first-serve-policy. I just tell them that it would be irresponsible to assure my clienmts that they had a show only to pull it out from under them, nad the client getting the refusal has always respected that. I think it has to be based on how the actor left the show. If they had a chance of a lifetime and really worked hard to bring the replacement up to speed, I'd ahve a sit down and let everyone that felt slighted get their bitch on. If they just got a better paying gig, and left in a lurch with an AMF and qa wave over the shoulder, good riddance to bad rubbish. In other words, it depends. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Joe Golden" Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Would the ParNel need to be at 750 or is 575 enough heat? -----Original Message----- Depends on what you are cooking. A nice souffle needs an even wash like a WFL or even a parnel. On 8/31/06 3:04 PM, "Kirk Wahamaki" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > WFL, MFL, or NFL? > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:33:03 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Elektor DMX project. Elektor (A European electronics magazine) has a neat project for building a USB to DMX converter so small that the circuit board easily fits into an XLR. It consists of a PIC, resonator, 485 driver, resistor and two caps. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:22:45 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Tasty. References: In-Reply-To: In message , Clive Mitchell writes >http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg To answer the questions... CP60 lamp (narrow) Nylon spatulas are exempt from safety wires at <200'. Edinburgh Military Tattoo. (Edinburgh Castle) Just vegetables and mushrooms. (The prawn version was delicious.) We had a debate about temperature control for the wok. If we ran it on a dimmer (it was on non-dim) would the shift downwards into a lower colour temperature with higher infra red content cause the wok to get hotter at a slightly reduced setting like 80 or 90%? An empty wok and non-contact thermometer would have been useful to test that. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:34:03 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Tasty. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Joe Golden writes >Would the ParNel need to be at 750 or is 575 enough heat? 1K parcan. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: <010b01c6cd51$78777ea0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > would the shift downwards into a lower=20 > colour temperature with higher infra red content cause the wok to get=20 > hotter Is the absolute IR level actually higher, or is IR just a greater = percentage of the output? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00ed01c6cd52$0b9d2c20$0b00a8c0 [at] chris> Reply-To: "chrisharris25" From: "chrisharris25" References: Subject: Re: Ballet for the big boys Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:06:08 -0400 Some really impressive backhoe driving there! I just wonder what the blooper tape looks like!! Chris Chris Harris www.sapsis-rigging.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Spidell" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: Ballet for the big boys > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Just saw this link from the CITT website - thought I should share. How do > you keep the marley clean? > > http://bravofact.com/shorts/details.asp?projectID=2050 > > Scott > > Scott Spidell Drama Department University of Waterloo > ML 104 x84767 or 519-888-4767 (F) 519-725-0651 > drama.uwaterloo.ca ccat.uwaterloo.ca > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:51:05 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: chrisharris25 [at] earthlink.net (chrisharris25) Subject: Re: Ballet for the big boys In-Reply-To: References:

Neat video. I worked on a John Deere show in Columbus, OH a couple of years back where there was a ballet of tractors of other BIG farm equipment. The stage was about 200'x200'. In one part of the "show" they brought out a combine that unfolded and stretched nearly the entire width of the stage. I was told the John Deet made a bigger one, but they could not get it into the building. I think there were about 150 pieces of John Deere equipment in this show (they had a big green room for them backstage, and they detailed them every day so they would look their best in the show). BTW, they closed down all the streets that lead from the marshalling yard to the convention center and paraded all the tractors and such in one morning starting at 2:00am. I did not see it, but I heard that it was very impressive. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F783C3.3080404 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:50:11 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: storing lamps References: In-Reply-To: Laura Eckelman wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here's a question for the list: > > Do theatrical lamps need to be stored in a warm place? I am working > for a summer stock company (in VERMONT) that stores all electrics > equipment in an uninsulated barn over the winter. Will the lamps be > okay when they emerge next fall? (For reference, I'm talking about > HPLs, EHDs, BTNs, R40 lamps, Par64s, etc...) > > Prompt replies would be much appreciated. > > Thanks everyone! > > ~Laura Eckelman > > > For storage, i.e. not going to be used, they really don't care about the temperature. The things that you want to watch out for is condensing humidity from the air on them, which will promote corrosion of the metal parts. Temperature cycling will take it's toll. Say if the lamp is in a fixture that is in an unheated barn in January that is suddenly turned on to full. Take precautions to keep the storage area clean, dry, and free of animal and insect visitation. Fox urine is *really* corrosive. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:17:58 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: LC2412 The Behringer LC2412 lighting desk seems to have taken a bit of stick due to it's being at the budget end of the market. I'd just like to say that I bought one for two reasons. Firstly to run tests on the veritable army of VL5's we use on the Edinburgh Tattoo, and secondly to extend the scope of the backstage tour that now appears to be standard at this same event. In both applications the desk performed it's job flawlessly. The use of a small desk to test and exercise automated lights is handy. It can either be used in Preset mode to do direct tests on lights (up to 24 addresses), or in chase mode to run them through a repetitive cycle. This is very useful in some of the older lights like early Vari-Lites that have conventional DC motors with positional transducers for pulse feedback, since a dying transducer can sometimes skip pulses and cause cumulative positioning error. The desk was also used by the backstage tour guide to demonstrate to guests how the lights could change position and colour depending on the shows requirements. It's quite a handy little desk once you get your head round the way it works. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <87e6786e0608311848x2a6ec114yea233be330d3f5e0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:48:48 -0500 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: LC2412 In-Reply-To: References: And when you order your LC2412 I will be happy to also place your order for your complement of Source Four Pa....uh...Ultrapars (just make sure you hang them just right or the lamps may fall out because the base was designed for an HPL and doesn't much like the adapter used to mount the GLC/GLA, especially if there is any movement/vibration where the fixture will be mounted) and Source Four Ellipsoida....uh oh, I did it again, I mean OptiProfile (no additional witty commentary with this one has I have not had it in hand yet). The above comments represent thoughts or opinions that are entirely mine, and not necessarily shared by my employers. In all honesty Clive, I am glad you found a product that worked so well for you. While I don't know the heritage of that product specifically, I do know enough about Behringer's business practices to have a hard time supporting anything from their line. And again, that opinion is just mine and not necessarily in line with that of my employers. OK, before I get myself into any more trouble, John On 8/31/06, Clive Mitchell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The Behringer LC2412 lighting desk seems to have taken a bit of stick > due to it's being at the budget end of the market. > > I'd just like to say that I bought one for two reasons. Firstly to run > tests on the veritable army of VL5's we use on the Edinburgh Tattoo, and > secondly to extend the scope of the backstage tour that now appears to > be standard at this same event. In both applications the desk performed > it's job flawlessly. > > The use of a small desk to test and exercise automated lights is handy. > It can either be used in Preset mode to do direct tests on lights (up to > 24 addresses), or in chase mode to run them through a repetitive cycle. > This is very useful in some of the older lights like early Vari-Lites > that have conventional DC motors with positional transducers for pulse > feedback, since a dying transducer can sometimes skip pulses and cause > cumulative positioning error. > > The desk was also used by the backstage tour guide to demonstrate to > guests how the lights could change position and colour depending on the > shows requirements. > > It's quite a handy little desk once you get your head round the way it > works. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060831200337.00c4fa88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:03:37 From: CB Subject: Re: Speaking of Magazines >No, but Chroma-key Blue should be the color of choice for screens. = >green screen is evil and should be outlawed by congress? The green works better with the new technology, and, after the seventies and eighties, the green is no longer a common clothing colour. ; > Green screen is for laughs and liars. If your serious and genuine, you make the shot happen. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9e6bc3f30608312016l3ee5c29as962da16de5452390 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:16:37 -0500 From: "Kent Laue" Reply-To: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Tasty. In-Reply-To: References:

Speaking of on the job cooking, anyone know if a 575 or 750 watt Source Four with the lens barrel removed would be good for cooking(I was thinking about boiling water for ramen or spaghetti...maybe even pizza...)? ~Kent On 8/31/06, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > would the shift downwards into a lower > > colour temperature with higher infra red content cause the wok to get > > hotter > > Is the absolute IR level actually higher, or is IR just a greater percentage > of the output? > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060831200932.00c4fa88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:09:32 From: CB Subject: Video Conference >the internet connection in the building isn't particularily fast (128Kbps) >The phone system in the building is digital. >Any suggestions on where to start? There are corp AV guys all over that do this kind of thing regularly. First ting, though, is to research the rental of a T1 connection. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: <011b01c6cd75$bcba6e00$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Speaking of on the job cooking, anyone know if a 575 or 750 > watt Source Four with the lens barrel removed would be good > for cooking It wouldn't be as good as an Altman 360Q*, since much of the heat would be "lost"** through the dichroic reflector. * ...And I cannot believe I just typed that sentence. ** Nor that one ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Roberts" Subject: Battery Question Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:22:34 -0400 Greetings; I am a very new subscriber to this list, and also new to audio work. My school is about to resupply our battery stock for the rest of this year. I was wondering if there is a big difference between duracell AA and Procell AA batteries. I've heard that they are made in the same factory by the same process, so is there any real difference that make the prices worth while? I'm sorry for the basic nature of this questiom, hope it hasnt ben asked 1000000 times already. Dave R _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It�s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:42:12 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Battery Question In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Aug 31, 2006, at 8:22 PM, David Roberts wrote: > I am a very new subscriber to this list, and also new to audio > work. My school is about to resupply our battery stock for the > rest of this year. I was wondering if there is a big difference > between duracell AA and Procell AA batteries. I've heard that they > are made in the same factory by the same process, so is there any > real difference that make the prices worth while? I'm sorry for > the basic nature of this questiom, hope it hasnt ben asked 1000000 > times already. Battery specifications change all the time without notice. This week Duracell may be better than Procell. Next week it will be Kirkland (Costco), the week after the Procell will be the best. I wonder if the companies draw straws to see who gets to make the best battery this month (this way they can ALL say they've tested as the best). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c6cd79$c46d4470$6600a8c0 [at] yourfsyly0jtwn> From: "Daryl Redmon" Cc: klaue2 [at] gmail.com References: Subject: Re: Tasty. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:49:52 -0700 I think that it will be better than the Altman 360Q, more even heat source over a larger area, if it is the source Four is the PAR EA. > >> Speaking of on the job cooking, anyone know if a 575 or 750 >> watt Source Four with the lens barrel removed would be good >> for cooking > > It wouldn't be as good as an Altman 360Q*, since much of the heat would be > "lost"** through the dichroic reflector. > > > * ...And I cannot believe I just typed that sentence. > > ** Nor that one > Daryl Redmon mainly a lurker Resounding Light ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Subject: casters Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:49:14 -0700 Has anyone used C.E. Clarke & Son, Inc. in Richmond VA? Or suggest a supplier on the west coast? Never used or heard of them but decent prices on fixed casters. Looks like I might have rebuilt a 30 foot turntable installed 20 years ago the motor makes noise (good sign), some of the "rubber" has fallen off the casters. So it sound like to me the a caster or stopped turning and they ran it any ways. So the best way is to replace all the casters because of the wear and tear, if I remember right there is like 80 casters on it. I had that turn table with in 1/32 of inch any place on it. ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: LDI Get-Together (was Re: LDI Roomate, Anybody?) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:37:38 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <05e901c6cd88$bcf3abd0$2802a8c0 [at] Andy> In-Reply-To: Saturday's cool by me, any time other than the show control case studies, and pretty much any time Friday or evenings Mon-Thurs (I'm in the Syn-Aud-Con classes 9-5 those days). If enough of us are going, I'm happy to design a little Stagecraft List/LDI logo to stick on our badges, unless there's one from one of the previous convention gatherings still around that we can use. I can either host it on my site for anybody who wants to download, or I'd even be willing to consider doing 'em as stickers to mail out, since we've got time. --Andy (still open for a roommate, btw :-) http://OneFromTheRoad.com Tools, Toys, and Tales for Theatrical Technicians -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 8/31/2006 ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #933 *****************************